I would say at least very likely, because that log where KSOs start acting wierd and go for strange objectives is in 2054
#gtfo-lore
harsh saffron
subtle verge
It could very well be before Wrdn took over, but I doubt it based on timelines.
eternal talon
not in one paragraph, but this is the best i can do!
sacred moon
I would say at least very likely, because that log where KSOs start acting wierd...
it's entirely possible Biocom itself had some errors however, maybe due to calculating something or such (wasn't there something about it telling it's units to tell the researchers to "please stop" or smth? And the 5 minutes in a locker...)
harsh saffron
Yeah thats the log I meant. I just interpret that as: Warden has taken over and is testing the control over KSOs. But yeah could just be errors as well, I'm open to every theory ^^
harsh saffron
sadly not, that would be awesome
tall anchor
i thought it did
Oh, it's sometime in 2054
Sometime before the 4th of May 2054
so we know a general timeframe of when it became obvious
quick grove
yes
subtle verge
Sometime before the 4th of May 2054
Nyet. That was my mistake that I made and deleted: WRDN taking over BIOCOM completely (the pinned comment) doesn't have a date/time.
I was thinking of the one where it was sending the KSO to the closet and then the other KSO telling a scientist to stop. That's marked May of 2054.
quick grove
so when did the warden take over
subtle verge
We don't have an approximate timeframe.
Well, let me rephrase that: we don't know the exact date, but we theoretically could make an approximate time.
quick grove
ah oky
aight whats the date tho
could there be more people like schaeffer who broke free
subtle verge
Throwing a dart while blindfolded: I'd guess around 2060.
There could be more like Schaeffer.
subtle verge
Not a damn clue.
quick grove
could there be parts of the facility that schaeffer stays save in
id assume if you hack the system id assume like the doors to open and closem
subtle verge
Presumably places that we or other teams have cleared. Alternatively, he's just stealthy.
quick grove
maybe schaeffer has done something like that to stay somewhere because this man cant be walking forever
quick grove
Presumably places that we or other teams have cleared. Alternatively, he's just ...
true but you know he could have a base of operations
where hed store food or something
tall anchor
I was thinking of the one where it was sending the KSO to the closet and then th...
I mean, I assumed that was WRDN testing itself out?
subtle verge
I mean, I assumed that was WRDN testing itself out?
That's my best guess, but I wouldn't say that was the complete takeover.
subtle verge
true but you know he could have a base of operations
I assume he uses any Jeffries Tubes that haven't been welded shut.
solar nova
how are the Shadows explained in the lore ?
They're not, really. It seems like they're just some kind of variation of the species that utilizes an anomalous material to gain camouflage.
trim latch
okey
solar nova
From a colony perspective, they might be something of a safer investment that can be "tucked away" in corners of the complex to gain an advantage in hunting and be less likely to be exterminated, similar to how chargers, hybrids, and tanks seem to serve powerful combat roles as extra investments into certain areas where sleepers have established themselves.
trim latch
it sounds like it kinda falls into that category of sleepers that have adapted to the prisonners
but fucking shadows
solar nova
Probably.
tall anchor
Yeah, their variations are really interesting
solar nova
It would explain why shadows tend to be an enemy that's much less up-front than most sleepers, the earliest we've seen them in a level is the first zone of R5D2. We're usually approaching a certain threshold or exploring some side zones when we encounter them.
Other enemy variants, while they have their own dominant regions, they will often be mixed in with their more ordinary counterparts at seemingly random points, suggesting their use is more-so about shoring up the strength of hubs areas or even just alternating between a low and a high threat in places that are moderately well established.
Shadows are somewhat similar to birthers in this regard, as birthers seem to have some sort of nesting role that means they're better off being defensive and off the beaten path (again: in side zones, deep into an expedition, at tail end of the most extreme alarms, and, something we don't quite observe with shadows, located in very secure areas with tons of chargers, hybrids, etc.).
tall anchor
yeah
Also the rarity of shooters/scouts over strikers is really cool as well, especially if you go into the biology as to ‘why’
I think i’ve rambled about gametes and that’s why the shooters are female before
because egg cells are usually already fully developed before being born, and contain a lot more resources over sperm, which are basically genetic information holding on to a motor to make it go forward.
How does this connect to shooters? well basically the parasite is using these eggs as projectiles against the player
subtle verge
. . . This just got a lot more disturbing than what I originally had in mind.
tall anchor
what did you have in mind?
subtle verge
It's like kids egging someone's house. Except we are the houses and it hurts. A lot.
subtle verge
Singing. "Cause she's a brick -- house~"
tall anchor
I could go into the physiological differences of the hormones too
(which could make hybrids trans dudes? idk i’m really tired, check back later)
because testosterone makes beeg muscleys and stronk bones
trim latch
lmfao
the lore explained
hybrids are just dudes that took too much eustrogens while they were infected
I mean that does sound plausible but I don't really think the devs thought about it
it's probably more about the parasite's own mutations / host hazard
solar nova
I mean that does sound plausible but I don't really think the devs thought about...
Possible, but there seems to be at least a little bit of intentionality.
Like, wave enemies have a distinct pigment compared to hibernating enemies, and it seems like how enemies are placed conveys some amount of their behavior.
tall anchor
hybrids are just dudes that took too much eustrogens while they were infected
actually they could just be a stronk lady, which is much more likely
solar nova
Some of it could just be other motivations, like making certain enemies feel more threatening or more important, but these motivations are going to end up leading to each other in the end (shadows are scarier if they are a more hidden-away investment, birthers are scarier if they have secure nests you run into).
tall anchor
well, my thought is that ladies are probably more rarer in a place like the complex, even 30-40 years in the future, and so are shooters, who present more female looking
there’s also a point to be made that a scout could be more like a mum checking on her sleeping children
solar nova
Could also just be about filling roles, which would make sense if sleepers are dominantly formed by their own devices as mimics.
They are mimicing a "male" and a "female" role as it recognizes them in humans, using them as niches for combat roles and defensive strategies.
Which also means the sleepers must be extremely complex to have so much plasticity.
It might also be that these roles largely preexisted, but sleepers were was taking men and women are more or less ideal for what was already there.
subtle verge
Could it be that they take a more asexual role and are able to convert in to something that the hive may need?
quick grove
what
solar nova
Could it be that they take a more asexual role and are able to convert in to som...
That sounds like roughly what I'd guess is happening.
tall anchor
I mean, I took it to mean that the Parasites are choosing what they become based on what person they've inhabited
i.e. a lad becomes a striker, a lass becomes a shooter
solar nova
It probably cares much less about "this is a man, and this is a woman," and much more about "this body type fits this particular archetype."
tall anchor
Yeah, that's what I was more meaning
subtle verge
I could see that being the case.
tall anchor
That it's inhabiting that specific person and changing their body to fit what archetype it wants them to be
subtle verge
Which would probably roll in to being able to create an archetype based on genetic makeup.
Which may lead in to the more specialized variants.
solar nova
i.e. a lad becomes a striker, a lass becomes a shooter
It seems more likely to me at least, just based on the respawn sacks and birthers literally creating life, that sleepers are much closer to mimics than zombies, but that's also my interpretation.
Acc. to the logs, it's very likely that they are both, they zombify people and they can recreate the resulting forms from scratch.
tall anchor
I suppose, that does make sense
clever niche
But how much would it care about genetics? If it's alien or totally foreign to earth then I don't imagine it would care on the genetic level. It would care more about what our body is composed of and how large our bodies are. Biomass over the code of what made our biomass.
tall anchor
That's also a good point
because when you hit big strikers you see all kinds of weird biomass when they get their stomach whacked out
tall anchor
fork me that's brilliant
solar nova
Don't touch the feelers!
subtle verge
That thing is wicked.
clever niche
^
subtle verge
Two large voids for eyes and a gaping maw.
clever niche
I thought the voids were more like nostrils, the wart looked like an eye
eternal talon
Boss had just moved to that side and managed to get close
subtle verge
I thought the voids were more like nostrils, the wart looked like an eye
You know what, you might be right... let me zoom in on that thing.
eternal talon
It has eyes.
subtle verge
Hmm.. there's reflection off the left void, so I'd assume that is 100% an eye.
subtle verge
I'd believe it.
eternal talon
Just random chance because the boss sways side to side
clever niche
When it is that size I wonder what the mouth is for, is it a carrier for the floaters?
Maybe it's like the mother and krakens are where floaters come from
subtle verge
Part of me thinks it's meant for mouthbreeding, like cichlids or catfish.
tall anchor
bottom feeding as well maybe?
I mean, depends really if there’s water down there, or if it’s got legs
sacred moon
It’s flying as far as I could see yday
During a phase of getting angry it flew up REALLY far
It’s “leg-tentacles” are at least as long as the body
Exact size unknown, as it was far enough up that looking down at the tentacles made the entire model despawn (typical game rendering to save resources)
Sadly didn’t take a pic
harsh saffron
fucking WIKI WORTHY
I think I'm gonna steal that and put it there 
(if you dont mind obviously ^^)
twilit girder
close up on the kraken
put it in 20 FOV, it will be even more zoomed on him, trust me 😊
eternal talon
I think I'm gonna steal that and put it there <:Aggressive_Artifact:865767084440...
Go for it!
I doubt we will ever get a clearer picture unless the devs give us one themselves
eternal talon
put it in 20 FOV, it will be even more zoomed on him, trust me 😊
Was hard enough to get this, not gonna play the fight at 20fov
Just asking for my suffering at this point
eternal talon
close up on the kraken
this thing's got one nasty lookin' face.
god knows what it was originally before being infected. this thing's head is basically completely split in half
like a giiiant striker, i suppose
but it fires projectiles like a shooter
also,
is this the only infected we have ever seen in-game to have eyes?
solar nova
Hybrids might have them, not sure.
lapis crystal
eternal talon
so the kraken... is a giant hybrid variant?
eternal talon
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/659342534920765464/936192014624624681/unk...
also, interesting. the eyes are also the same. completely black and devoid of pigments
so trying to think about this thing uninfected..
like how normal humans are vs how they look when infected..
was it some kind of giant FLYING squid?
solar nova
Could be akin to titans.
eternal talon
i mean.. it's name is squidward in the code..
solar nova
There probably weren't a lot of huge men in the complex.
eternal talon
Could be akin to titans.
maybe, but this is a different species to the meatballs, which are the only other fauna we have seen still alive on destination alpha
sacred moon
If we say the meatballs are floaters
eternal talon
and from what little we have seen of them, they also only have one variant
sacred moon
as in, infected floaters
eternal talon
well of course they are, nam-v and the parasite are.. well y'know, very small organisms
sacred moon
then I'd argue the kraken/squidboss might be the equivalent of a whale - large, typically not agressive
in comparison to the meatballs being fish
eternal talon
they don't even have a hive mind, just a hive
sacred moon
^^
eternal talon
then I'd argue the kraken/squidboss might be the equivalent of a whale - large, ...
yeah that's what i was thinking too
eternal talon
the floaties also float
sacred moon
no shit
eternal talon
could be how life evolved on destination alpha
sacred moon
the floaties can be explained as some kind of floating gasball
eternal talon
instead of being terrestrial, they could be aerial
sacred moon
the kraken's kinda beeg
but it might just be not-heavy, somehow
idk, not a biologist
eternal talon
@analog frigate must know one, they wrote the sleeper biology thing
sacred moon
amongst others, but yeah
I'd love to see what our resident community-biologists think about the Kraken
eternal talon
well i mean we have a proper view of it's face now.
eternal talon
fork me that's brilliant
given lilliana mirrors' reaction, i don't think we did before
sacred moon
eh, it's more a reaction to beautiful pictures than a reaction to biology discussion regarding it
I'll see if I can get a pic of it's tentacles, but all of us got hella confused when the kraken flew up a good 60 meters, shooting at us from above, before returning
not sure how that one happened but it was enlightening, to say the least
tall anchor
personally I belive we’re seeing infected species of the Destination
eternal talon
well i mean after we 'killed' it, it sorta just slimped down sideways over the cliff
didn't really look like retreating to me
if anything, badly wounded if not proppa dead
sacred moon
question
where has the last blob you pop been
for me it was always near the bottom, near the tentacles so far
eternal talon
they can spawn wherever, can't they?
it's usually top left, bottom left, middle left, top right, middle right, or bottom right
sacred moon
if anything, badly wounded if not proppa dead
I mean the tentacles still moved and all, so I'd reckon we just popped enough of whatever kept it afloat with those FleshBulbs
and since the fog goes down an unknowable amount (unseeable and probably not rendered for efficiency reasons anyways)
it probably fell to it's death, yeah
subtle verge
Our local biology expert is Dr. Grem, but I forget what he goes by now. He's been busy at uni the passed couple of months.
sacred moon
ooooh I see
subtle verge
Catching up on messages, sorry. Lmao.
tall anchor
Oh interesting, then it must have some sort of sack with a lighter than air substance
it would be pretty easy to manipulate that gas biologically speaking to make the creature float up or float down
placid beacon
dim scroll
l o r e
dull crest
As in "Mom, I ready the lingerie magazines for the ARTICLES"?
subtle verge
Sounds like Biology 101 to me.
solar nova
They do be kinda toothy.
tepid lake
Is that a floater?
solar nova
Yeah.
cobalt mulch
d4 beginning, ballsies atuck on floor... must... resist..
urge... to... kill... .. until bot shoots it. damnit.
quick grove
They do be kinda toothy.
For a second i thought that was a different enemy type
eternal talon
It's a cacodemon
quick grove
Haha
eternal talon
close up on the kraken
You see this? @quick grove
quick grove
Ye its the kraken?
quick grove
Looked like it for a second
quick grove
Wait it whas a face?
eternal talon
How did you not???
quick grove
How did you not???
Had to turn up brightness
eternal talon
Big forehead kraken?
Not really, thinking rn it's like a squid.
eternal talon
Human microwaves HSUs.
quick grove
Lmao
quick grove
Ah nice i guess
quick grove
I wouldn't know i dont have em
harsh saffron
do normal legs take ff? because the hitboxes on players for ff are kinda wonky ^^
analog frigate
depends where you shoot them
imagine the bones as being the hitbox, not the entire leg
quick grove
do normal legs take ff? because the hitboxes on players for ff are kinda wonky ^...
Wouldn't know i don't really shoot my teammates
You've got a low chance to be shot by merv but not that low
analog frigate
i think the prosthetics make the hitbox thinner
quick grove
i think the prosthetics make the hitbox thinner
Possibly
analog frigate
doesn't really matter though since the sleeper hit the main hitbox that is your chest
eternal talon
doesn't really matter though since the sleeper hit the main hitbox that is your ...
Yeah
analog frigate
Wait sense when did prosthetics become lore related
they aren't
quick grove
I know just jokin
eternal talon
Are cosmetics non-canon?
quick grove
Are cosmetics non-canon?
Yep cosmetics are non canon
analog frigate
they aren't canon
eternal talon
Like, will we never have "ourselves"?
Like surely the main 4 are canonically doing evertthing
quick grove
Cosmetics are just there for prisoner drip
eternal talon
But we could still be other prisoners to the warden
quick grove
I think devs said it aint Canon
quick grove
But we could still be other prisoners to the warden
What?
analog frigate
But we could still be other prisoners to the warden
it's still the same 4
voices don't change
harsh saffron
Voice pack dlc when? 👀
analog frigate
first shirtless hackett pack dlc
hot burrow
yes
eternal talon
it's still the same 4
I know I know
I am saying, it would be cool if, our "players", character customizations and all, were also Canon workers for the warden
Obviously we play as Hackett, woods, dauda, and bishop,
But our customized and own players, are also there. I dunno
Would help make the game more immersive I think
Like, for example, losttyfrostty and his pegleg, weapons, and skills, is a prisoner for the warden. And every other gtfo player
I dunno what I'm saying at this point
analog frigate
i get what you mean
it would be more immersive yeah
but doesn't make much sense
eternal talon
There are 30k+ HSUs in the complex
analog frigate
there is a certain amount of KSOs in the gtfo universe
eternal talon
The 6k initial and the 24k brought in later
analog frigate
and any that weren't mentioned
but that's still like 50k max
and there are a lot more players
eternal talon
Still, surely that would be enough for the devs to say "players are cannon"
analog frigate
not really
there are probably around 100k people who bought the game
maybe less
still more than the reasonable amount of KSOs
eternal talon
there are probably around 100k people who bought the game
That doesn't mean there are that many that play the game.
Or have even launched it once
analog frigate
i'd imagine they would launch it at least once after buying
and active players don't matter
only registered ones
eternal talon
I have games on MY steam account I've bought and never played. It's a very common thing
Bundles n' all
analog frigate
you still count as a user of that game since you own it
anyway, this conversation is unnecessary
eternal talon
Children born in America can't vote because they haven't played IRL enough
cfoam used to look like this. why did they change it? old looked better imo
analog frigate
you know why
eternal talon
what?
analog frigate
when you spray it, it has a chemical reaction that commonly produces co2 gas, puffing it up and causing it to harden
eternal talon
funny, old loadout basically the same thing i use now. also, old had more drab look to the menus
but no, seriously, when did c-foam stand for construction and not cryogenic?
it freezes enemies in place
hot burrow
simon said it a long time ago
analog frigate
because it's not... freezing?
hot burrow
I thought it got pinned in this channel. ig not
eternal talon
what are these doors technically called? i've always called them 'omega doors'
also, 11/10 objective
hot burrow
Apex door. But some other security doors are also called that too
it could of been changed tho
I only saw it in R3
hot burrow
Some normal security doors were also called apex doors when viewing them on the map
eternal talon
also, did the lighting system change from back in the day? screenshots from back then look so darker, with better contrast.
eternal talon
aww. i really miss the old vibrant look
@analog frigate did you see this picture from earlier today/yesterday? what do you think of it?
hot burrow
looks like pinhead Patrick
eternal talon
you can actually make out features
hot burrow
ya. eyes and teeth
hot burrow
who remembers this little guy
eternal talon
eternal talon
who remembers this little guy
i miss old burst rifle scope so bad
eternal talon
it's a full circle
hot burrow
oh. I did not notice, but then again I dont use it much. (Carbine main)
eternal talon
halo 2 battle rifle main
tall anchor
if only GTFO was made by bungie /s
subtle verge
if only GTFO was made by bungie /s
I, too, wish this game was full of game-breaking bugs and predatory microtransactions. 
trim latch
what are these doors technically called? i've always called them 'omega doors'
oooh zone 100, I remember this one in the C2: DECODE 1st rundown, fucking lit moment
eternal talon
oooh zone 100, I remember this one in the C2: DECODE 1st rundown, fucking lit mo...
that isn't rundown 1...
they were a feature of r2 i believe
i remember everything of r1
it's r2 or r3
def not r1
trim latch
sorry but it is, I have a video of it XD
trim latch
eternal talon
rundown 1 didn't have apex doors
trim latch
you don't remember well then uwu
eternal talon
show me footage
trim latch
eternal talon
i'm 100% certain
eternal talon
oh man I miss the R1 machinegun
everyone does
in the clip you sent it's just a normal door. not a surge
like how the door model is in c1 but it is not an apex door
not to the standard of one anyhow.
trim latch
it's the zone 100 apex door you screenshoted... '-'
hot burrow
eternal talon
what they look like. only other pic i had on hand was in d1
but that has the checkpoint mark on it
trim latch
what are you talking about ?
I answered to this message:
#gtfo-lore message
which is the same door as my video
Rundows 1
eternal talon
an apex door that doesn't have bullshit alarms attached to it, i do not consider an apex door.
trim latch
C2
eternal talon
just a fancy door model.
trim latch
? It had alarm, the footage is just after it's completed
eternal talon
did it?
eternal talon
in footage they are leaving to extraction
trim latch
you said the screenshot was not from rundown 1, which is false
yes because we completed the alarm '-'
You just misremember rundown 1
eternal talon
clearly as have i
eternal talon
You just misremember rundown 1
it's been two bloody years mate
trim latch
yes, that's the same door
eternal talon
i remember r2 had ALOT of bullshit doors like these
i don't remember if they were apex though
trim latch
I mean sure but then don't say you "remember everything" and you're "100% certain" >.>
eternal talon
I mean sure but then don't say you "remember everything" and you're "100% certai...
i don't know why i put it there then. i haven't moved these old files since.. well, since back around then when i stopped playing in r3
trim latch
fair
eternal talon
I mean sure but then don't say you "remember everything" and you're "100% certai...
my memory is poor, so by "remember everything", i usually keep recordings and screenshots organized so i can look back in time and see
sacred moon
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/935989994735169546/936339144395866162/6...
insert "The Good Ending" gif
trim latch
maybe you have more R1 screenshots in your R2 folder haha
eternal talon
so as to why it was there, only past me could say, i probably got confused at some point while organising
i don't have very many pics from back then, but i also have these
trim latch
but yeah zone 100 was the very first apex door we players discovered so it left an impression on my mind
trim latch
okay well at least when it's written "r2" there is no doubt :')
sacred moon
maulgang
maulgang
eternal talon
maulgang
maulgang
FOOL. do you know who you speak to?
i was there when it was written. 
sacred moon
but you're using maul = you're good
sacred moon
*maulmen not maul gang.
maulmen, yes
I forget the name all the time
maul best hammer
eternal talon
trim latch
eternal talon
<:Mallet:682865012750286848>
ew
sacred moon
ew
trim latch
blacklisted
eternal talon
trim latch
eternal talon
this stuff used to look alot fleshier
eternal talon
I, too, wish this game was full of game-breaking bugs and predatory microtransac...
we already have the bugs.
analog frigate
what bugs? gtfo has no bugs man
sacred moon
this stuff used to look alot fleshier
is this stuff even still on the walls? Not seen it this R but I've not paid perfect attention to everything
walls/ceiling/whatever
eternal talon
i belive it is in d4...
sacred moon
what bugs? gtfo has no bugs man
none at all, no
sacred moon
my static is spooked of D3's reactor, we haven't finished D2 yet and we're gonna do D4 after both
sacred moon
though, who tf knows the canonicity of d4.
afawk it's just the teleports that aren't supposed to be taken full-canon
gameplay over lore in D4's case
the rest is mostly applicable still
eternal talon
my static is spooked of D3's reactor, we haven't finished D2 yet and we're gonna...
you still need to do d2?
sacred moon
I'll do it with my static
we've successfully poked into it and tested at each area with the checkpoint like 2 days ago, so when we're all actually available again we'll do it
since we now have a general clue what is to be expected where and why
subtle verge
we already have the bugs.
Cant say I've ever seen a game-breaking bug. Annoying ones, sure, but never game breaking.
sacred moon
^
many annoying bugs but not seen a game-breaking one since R6
falling through the floor repeatedly or getting stuck under staircases in the past, those were gamebreaking and pain
but those don't really exist anymore, afaik
eternal talon
falling through the floor repeatedly or getting stuck under staircases in the pa...
saw a dude fall through the floor repeatedly on d3 TODAY
sacred moon
interesting
I've seen a charger charge through a corner and a giant phase into a wall and back out
eternal talon
i've personally seen checkpoints bug and refuse to spawn a player with the color green, locking us with 3 players. not even a bot for 4th
sacred moon
also had a giant quite literally despawn upon being hit by a sniper shot, then respawn a few meters to the side of that position like 15s later - mind you, in the middle of a corridor, just plop gone and plop suddenly back
sacred moon
i've personally seen checkpoints bug and refuse to spawn a player with the color...
also interesting
so many people complain about checkpoint bugs
trim latch
Cant say I've ever seen a game-breaking bug. Annoying ones, sure, but never game...
watched a streamer doing C1 yeaterday, they all crashed after getting a data material wave or whatever it's called, after teleporting to red alpha :C the zone also induces some serious fps drops for my friendos
sacred moon
and I've never once in my entire R6 experience with many many checkpoints had any of them. No loading errors, no fail-spawning errors, no carried-item-can't-be-put-down errors...
trim latch
there are also some bots that bug and don't go into the team scans, making you fail the mission
sacred moon
I did once have my teammate not spawn in when I pressed the button
if you press it too quickly and they have a bad connection to you, they might not get the command to respawn transmitted and stay in the "dead" screen
sacred moon
there are also some bots that bug and don't go into the team scans, making you f...
don't use bots so no clue on those
eternal talon
there are also some bots that bug and don't go into the team scans, making you f...
damn you hackett. happened to me the other day, only on b1 though
eternal talon
and I've **never once in my entire R6 experience with many many checkpoints** ha...
all of the above
gtfo r6 is like a terrarium
sacred moon
did y'all ever check if it's connection-based issues
the only member of my static who ever had problems with that has a really shitty connection to me that stops us from playing together when either of us is host
trim latch
I think most of checkpoint bugs got fixed but there are still some weird things I saw the other day, like doors not appearing visually despite being here and closed
sacred moon
oh, that happens yea
hit the door, open or close it and they'll respawn
not game-breaking tho
confusing for sure but nothing more
trim latch
ye
sacred moon
checkpoint bugs were game-breaking, I'm lucky I never had any then
trim latch
the boosters not working after a checkpoint sounded lame
amber field
Only checkpoint issues I've had was having to wait about 5-10 minutes for everyone to spawn in after using the checkpoint, and having people spawn in completely different, security door locked rooms
having people spawn in completely different, security door locked rooms and set off enemies lmao
we fixed that by dying again
sacred moon
why, only your teammate needed to die for you to create a fake blood door! Oh wait, you can't open it. teamscan...
pure folio
WHERE IS THE MODS
sacred moon
can you imagine that the mods might actually... have a life?
a horrible thought, really
pure folio
CHAOS CHAOS
sacred moon
how can anyone possibly have a life?!
sacred moon
tru
pure folio
HEHE
quick grove
how can *anyone* **possibly** have a life?!
Imagine having a life so overrated tbh
sacred moon
very
rapid iron
yo are some of the corpses ig like strikers? They have the top of their head split open and everything
subtle verge
yo are some of the corpses ig like strikers? They have the top of their head spl...
It's speculated that a couple of things could be happening there:
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The person(s) check out of the Hotel of Life while they're still in their own minds and mutating, probably with an extreme amount of agonizing pain, and the mutation from the parasite continues until it runs out of usable resource and dies off with the host.
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The person has mutated, but gets decimated by the hive because it has not mutated fully, the hive believing that it's a threat/intruder/prey instead of one of their own. Alternatively, KSOs could have noticed the mutation happening in their ally and put the person out of their misery.
-
We simply don't know what's going on.
tall anchor
yeah
I always assumed it was dead bodies of past prisoners; but that's nowhere cannon
rapid iron
but so thats confirmation that it is a striker head? And not just the guy getting his brains scooped?
subtle verge
Yes, that's a confirmed striker head.
It's confirmed that a good chunk of the Sleepers we face are mutated humans, however we do not know how the process of mutation starts.
rapid iron
I mean its hinted to be the virus right?
although that does explain the charger sac on the ceiling
subtle verge
It's plausible, however we have noted that those infected with NAM-V without any parasite interference just die.
rapid iron
tru
subtle verge
So we don't know if the mutation process only requires the parasite, or if it's a mix of the parasite and virus, or what-have-you.
rapid iron
I literally just started this rundown, so IDK what the parasite bit is, only heard of the NAM-V virus
subtle verge
Check the pins in this channel, there's an FAQ/Summary and a guide on how to learn more about the lore if you're interested. 🙂
rapid iron
thanks
subtle verge
My pleasure! If you have any questions, please feel free to ask. There's a lot of lore vets in here. Keep in mind with a grain of salt that there are some folks that will give you headcanons and theories versus what's been proven.
rapid iron
sure, first one being, do we have any name for the parasites? or are they just called 'parasites'?
subtle verge
We do our best to make sure that if it's a headcanon or theory, we tend to say: "It's a theory/it's my theory that..."
As far as we know, there is no canon name for them, so for now we call them 'parasites.'
rapid iron
yeah GTFO lore is fucking awesome and pretty detailed, while still being vague giving u some space to put in ur own imaginations
subtle verge
It's definitely been a hook-line-sinker for me.
rapid iron
yep
yo do we have a pic of the parasites? Or are they just never seen. maybe the enemy at the end of the og trailer?
subtle verge
Oh! And there's also a timeline of key logs that I believe Ray is the head of now, but: https://www.notion.so/GTFO-Timeline-0e93a62e8cfd44b3a36beb4ab245a2d0
And we have our own fandom wiki that's ran by Infinite Duck and others in the community. 🙂
subtle verge
yo do we have a pic of the parasites? Or are they just never seen. maybe the ene...
The parasites are never seen at an early stage, unfortunately, however all strikers have a visible parasite: their 'tongues.' It's believed, through what we understand about their biology, that the parasite essentially resides in the core of the body and uses the host's intestines as an anchor and whip-like object.
rapid iron
wait thats the parasite??? sheeeesh always thought they were just tongues lol
subtle verge
However, it's not canon so to speak, but it's an observation by some of our local biology experts.
We have a biology report written on them from aforementioned experts, I can link it if you want it. Otherwise, you can CTRL+F in this channel and look up the term 'The Nature of Sleepers' and there will be a google doc you can view.
rapid iron
nah I found it
but if so, then whats the enemy in the trailer at the end if not a parasite?
subtle verge
Are you referencing the E3 trailer from a few years back?
subtle verge
Honestly, we don't rightly know. A lot has changed since the release of that trailer and the release of the Alpha/Beta, let alone what's changed in the 1.0 release. As far as I'm concerned, it's not canon.
I won't speak for anyone else, of course.
rapid iron
ah I see
for the nature of sleepers, its super irking me, scientific names have the genus name capitalized, but the 2nd word and so on is never capitalized. Also the whole thing should be italicized and underlined
subtle verge
I believe it was written by those who don't speak English as their primary language, but don't quote me on that.
I know Daraxus' mother tongue isn't English, though he does speak and write it well.
rapid iron
I see, is changing it allowed???
subtle verge
Not without permissions. The link is a comment-only link, iirc.
rapid iron
I see
south lake
Oh, is it capitalized in both cases?
I could see how that'd bug anyone in that kind of field. Took Marine Bio 101 as filler and my instructor always visibly twitched whenever someone capitalized the tail end of one of the Taxonomic ranks.
subtle verge
I know nothing about scientific research papers, honestly. In my field we just bulletpoint everything in our own broken English and then write out a more detailed document to submit to local authorities and, on occasion, FEMA.
rapid iron
yeah, its capitalised in both, I mean this ones a small one but no italicized or underlined either but those are fine.
They also list chargers as being able to shoot projectiles like shooters nani????
I mean u can tell its written by different people, the floater and kraken bit especially is, no offense, written like a story, not a report
subtle verge
It's been a good while since it's been touched, too. Last I remember, it was supposed to be updated often, but it seems that it needs some serious love.
@analog frigate Not sure if you have any updates for that since you're in contact with the others more than I am: any plans to take over that report/fix all of the errors or is it something that might be abandoned/rewritten at some point?
rapid iron
if yall dont need it I can take very VERY good care of some of the stuff written inside
agile plinth
<@!544486890838032401> Not sure if you have any updates for that since you're in...
haven't been recently
dagga has been gone for some time
grem is still here though
I'll probably find the time to rewrite it so that it's more up-to-date
since we wrote it in r5
only thing that currently seems proper is structure of the sleepers and their ecology+behavior
rapid iron
only thing that currently seems proper is structure of the sleepers and their ec...
um even then, the chargers are said to be able to shoot projectiles like shooters. And spitter section wording is a bit scuffed. More like a story than a report, and a lot of casual stuff is written in it. Although the Cyanoacid is a nice touch
agile plinth
the cyanoacid part it from another doc about the toxic fog
punk found out that it's probably cyanoacid due to its colour and properties
and yeah, the wording is off in a lot of places
rapid iron
yep
eternal talon
not in one paragraph, but this is the best i can do!
@rapid iron summary of most gtfo lore In one doc if you are short on time
celest pagoda
Wanted to bring up something I noticed.
October 2nd - Hammerstein reports his findings about the inner of the fossil, and his suspicions that something made the formations within
October 7th - Due to unspecified "recent events" lockdown report is requested to be written up, Boris Stanovich does so
October 13th - A massive energy blast erupts from the fossil, creating the holes in the complex
I've got a feeling that something happened in that span of 5 days relating to the fossil that warranted the lockdown procedure. The fact that sleepers were known of by the 13th leads me to believe they ended up finding something hostile in that short span of time.
Given the SMCs less than charitable track record, I can only assume the events that prompted the lockdown procedure only further pushed them to dig into the fossil more, causing the events of the 13th.
eternal talon
"Strange sightings of creatures in the darkness begin in January of 2053, though it is unknown at this time if they are in fact infected individuals, or simply hallucinations."
celest pagoda
Well that too, leading up to the 13th there was quite a few anomalous happenings
eternal talon
well before October there were reports of sleeper attacks
celest pagoda
But the wording of the lockdown log makes me think something specific happend in that 5 day span
I only can think to Edgar's encounter, what other attacks occurred?
eternal talon
i can't find the log, but
"Biotrackers begin detecting unknown biomass on sublevels 318-312"
also reports of people going insane, so it's likely attacks weren't reported.
i know @analog frigate is more knowledgeable in this
harsh saffron
"Biotrackers begin detecting unknown biomass on sublevels 318-312"
Btw the biotracker stuff isn't in a full log, just on some datacenter screens
eternal talon
yeah
not the log i was talking about
i was trying to find the log in the timeline of people going insane
harsh saffron
Ah sry mb ^^
eternal talon
i know it's on there somewhere
harsh saffron
I would guess r4
eternal talon
it says something along the lines of "people going insane at dramatically increased rates" or whatever
celest pagoda
"Biotrackers begin detecting unknown biomass on sublevels 318-312"
Those logs take place during October, on the 11th
eternal talon
https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/Rundown_004_Logs#ALKN234.LOG
yes
celest pagoda
also reports of people going insane, so it's likely attacks weren't reported.
I don't think any attacks were reported, but even if, there's a large difference between being attacked by a person, or being mauled by a sleeper
My point is; after Insight started poking around down there, the amount of anomalous stuff happening in Garganta seemed to spike for those days leading to the 13th. Given that, and the lockdown log, the idea that something dangerous was found in that 5 days is becoming evident. What that was, I have no clue as it's never directly mentioned. I can only assume it was an Artifact, or some very unhappy hibernating sleepers of some form.
eternal talon
how could they have contracted nam-v without encountering sleepers?
celest pagoda
We don't know if sleepers are the sole source of NAM-V.
eternal talon
how else would it have survived 65 million years underground?
sacred moon
virus's can do that
all those "curses" from graves of old pharaohs and stuff? Not entirely fictional - not a curse, just a really old hibernating virus that the people who dug it up couldn't handle
eternal talon
i know the black death is still frozen in ice-caps, but that's frozen.
sacred moon
arctic can (and has) stuff from thousands of years ago
if it's sufficiently dry it can survive too
not just when cold-frozen
albeit cold-frozen probably makes it survive longer
gotta ask a virologist for that one
celest pagoda
We know so little about where NAM-V is truly from, but we know it was present in Garganta before most of the analomalous stuff began.
eternal talon
We know so little about where NAM-V is truly from, but we know it was present in...
not really, we know a decent bit. it's 100% lethal, spreads very fast, is symbiotic with the parasite, and mutates it's victims
celest pagoda
not really, we know a decent bit. it's 100% lethal, spreads very fast, is symbio...
I said we know so little about where it's from my dude. I know well abt the other stuff
sacred moon
it's likely symbiotic with the parasite
whether Nam-V mutates it's victims or not is also up in the air, it's more likely the parasite does that
100% lethal and spreading very fast is confirmed tho
celest pagoda
I guess I should reword; we don't know where the parasite comes from.
As far as we know, NAM-V was spreading in Garganta before any creature encounters.
And of course it had a field day with the surface too.
eternal talon
whether Nam-V mutates it's victims or not is also up in the air, it's more likel...
corpses in the complex and on destination alpha are dead, and partly mutated, while not being infected by the parasite
sacred moon
corpses in the complex and on destination alpha are dead, and partly mutated, wh...
how do you know they aren't infected by the parasite :)
eternal talon
I guess I should reword; we don't know where the parasite comes from.
they can from whatever infected alliens were found in the meteor that started the sleeper outbreak. H00T confirmed this.
eternal talon
how do you know they aren't infected by the parasite :)
because they are dead, not sleepers.
sacred moon
...
what if they died before fully transformed?
The parasite might've just died with the body.
like, that's really not a benchmark to go by.
eternal talon
maybe, but they are all in an identical state
celest pagoda
they can from whatever infected alliens were found in the meteor that started th...
NAM-V was present before they dug into that stuff my guy.
eternal talon
i was talking about explicitly the parasite.
and nam-v with the parasite,
though i have no clue where the first nam-v outbreak in the complex started from
eternal talon
it's *likely* symbiotic with the parasite
it is symbiotic. log from @analog frigate describes parasite eating through hazmat and injecting the virus into a potential host.
sacred moon
log describes the parasites being able to get through or around hazmat suits somehow, yes. They are also likely carriers of NAM-V, yes.
eternal talon
log describes the parasites being able to get through or around hazmat suits som...
false. not likely carriers. they either work with nam-v or are direct carriers of it. there is no likely.
sacred moon
do we have it confirmed that there is not a single person that was parasitised without virus
no
hence, yes, they are probably carriers or work with the virus
but it's not a must
typically symbiotic relationships have a must, one way or the other, especially after a lot of time
eternal talon
do we have it confirmed that there is **not a single person that was parasitised...
yes. since the parasite carries the virus, willing or not.
sacred moon
but we don't have that confirmed
eternal talon
we literally do in the log YOU quoted
sacred moon
if there's never been a parasite without the virus, then yes, every single parasite ever has carried the virus with it
eternal talon
every singe instance of the parasite we know of also included nam-v
no exceptions have been stated.
sacred moon
... but do we know that
no exceptions being stated =|= no exceptions existing
we don't have perfect knowledge of stuff
eternal talon
that has nothing to do with lore relavance.. at that point it's pure theorycrafting and SHOULD NOT be considered canon lore with certainty
sacred moon
from a theoretical standpoint, unless you can prove that it's correct for every single one, there's always the possibility of that 1 parasite in infinite parasite infections that doesn't carry NAM-V
saying that they work together or the parasites act as carriers, sure
but not necessarily symbiotic
that was the beginning of our discussion
eternal talon
from a theoretical standpoint, unless you can prove that it's correct for **ever...
again, pure conjecture and utterly irrelevant. you can not 'prove' that all of existence wasn't created last Thursday, but that doesn't make that statement true.
celest pagoda
What
eternal talon
but not necessarily symbiotic
that is a fair enough statement.
sacred moon
again, pure conjecture and utterly irrelevant. you can not 'prove' that all of e...
I've admittedly been applying the scientific idea of "unless perfectly proven =|= correct", but yeah.
None of us can prove that we haven't been created 10 seconds ago with fake memories of before
but it doesn't mean the statement is not true either
we can usually rule it out, but in theory there's an infinitely small chance that we have, indeed, been created 10 seconds ago.
celest pagoda
Ok, ima just reel back to the point I was trying to make. The events of October 2053 and the wording of the logs hint that something dangerous was encountered between the 2nd and the 7th. The logs describing the events from the 2nd all the way to the 13th suggest that they encountered sleepers. Im basing this off of what we know for certain.
We know they encountered sleepers and were actively fighting them on the 13th.
eternal talon
Ok, ima just reel back to the point I was trying to make. The events of October ...
that is plausible, yes.
pure folio
The lore is remember to wash your hands
so some parasite won't devour your corpse and turn you into some flesh eating thing
celest pagoda
Wash your hands or Frank the Tank will space jam your soul out from your body
eternal talon
so some parasite won't devour your corpse and turn you into some flesh eating th...
not zombies. technically, the people are still or were still alive, when being infected.
which is a terrifying thought
being piloted like a meat puppet by an extraterrestrial parasite and molding your body and breaking your bones into a mass built with the sole purpose of killing your coworkers
celest pagoda
not zombies. technically, the people are still or were still alive, when being i...
There's definitely stuff to support this, one big nail in the coffin is that the bodies are still circulating blood. The body still lives.
Sleepers bleed, red, fresh blood
eternal talon
well i mean mostly, the devs said it wasn't zombies
pure folio
not zombies. technically, the people are still or were still alive, when being i...
no
i was just joking
the devs are the devs
they assume what they want to assume
like how some people call zombies "infected, walkers, undead, ect"
or in a short term
parasites
but I never specified zombie
i said "so some parasites"
eternal talon
"corpse"
pure folio
parasites and zombies are different
don't you go to school?
there's corpses around the map in the game
but they aren't alive
neither is the parasite
so it isn't a zombie
eternal talon
neither is the parasite
wut?
subtle verge
Also NAM-V and Parsites are not proven to be symbiotic. It's more likely that the parasites are carriers of NAM-V, like how fleas were carriers of bubonic plague.
pure folio
zombies don't come from space
eternal talon
if you were a corpse, and infected, that is a zombie. any form of reanimation is a zombie. sleepers aren't zombies.
pure folio
you were slowly turning into one
eternal talon
we aren't even talking about parasites here
pure folio
an organism that lives in or on an organism of another species (its host) and benefits by deriving nutrients at the other's expense.
"the parasite attaches itself to the mouths of fishes"
the victim is still alive
pure folio
IT WAS A JOKE
CALM DOWN
FUCK SAKES
Corpse and zombie is different
I never added zombie I added corpse
subtle verge
Also NAM-V and Parsites are not proven to be symbiotic. It's more likely that th...
Viruses can't have symbiosis, as well. They can be mutualistic or commensal, but not symbiotic.
eternal talon
i can not make sense of what jevil is saying, punkthulhu
sacred moon
Also NAM-V and Parsites are not proven to be symbiotic. It's more likely that th...
thank you
eternal talon
i can read, but your posts are incoherent
pure folio
The lore is remember to wash your hands
so some parasite won't devour your corpse and turn you into some flesh eating thing
eternal talon
agreed
pure folio
"so some parasite won't devour your corpse"
sacred moon
agreed
pure folio
so it's not gonna turn you into a corpse
sacred moon
oh?
sacred moon
who wrote that one again
pure folio
lord
eternal talon
"Serious discussion about the Lore of the game."
pure folio
EVEN IF YOU WERE SERIOUS
YOU CANT READ
The lore is remember to wash your hands
so some parasite won't devour your corpse and turn you into some flesh eating thing
sacred moon
but the parasites don't infect corpses, no
pure folio
"Won't"
eternal talon
jevil please stop
sacred moon
Jevil
subtle verge
Let's rope it in, folks. It's too early for my American ass for this shit. 
eternal talon
but the parasites don't infect corpses, no
correct, that's what i'm saying
sacred moon
pure folio
no all i said was to wash your fucking hands
pure folio
IT WAS MADE FROM THE GAME ITSELF
sacred moon
yeah wash your hands is a good thing
pure folio
it was a joke
it's not like making a joke in a non joke channel is the end of the world
what are you people
karens/
are you gonna speak to the manager
eternal talon
this channel is.. becoming a trainwreck
pure folio
haha so funny
eternal talon
ANYWAY
subtle verge
Simple solution: stop replying to each other.
pure folio
im totally not gonna debate about the trainwreck part
and theres no rail roads
look at me being serious
so funny
eternal talon
<@&408548765599793173> please clean this up so we can get back on topic? tyvm
ANYWAY
so you said virus' can't be symbiotic?
pure folio
Not the virus
subtle verge
Viruses can't be symbiotic, no.
They can be mutualistic or commensal, but not symbiotic.
pure folio
Can't we call these fuckers aliens?
eternal talon
jevil, please
pure folio
since they came from spaace
eternal talon
you are making it very hard to discuss
eternal talon
also, no. they have been on earth longer than humans
pure folio
earth is from space
sacred moon
not the definition of aliens
sacred moon
we're not going to bother discussing that
pure folio
you don't known science
eternal talon
earth is from space
so is everything
sacred moon
if their point of origin were on earth, they'd not be aliens
pure folio
so why not call them aliens
eternal talon
<@&408548765599793173> please help
sacred moon
if their point of origin came from outside, with the meteor, then they're indeed alien parasites
pure folio
Where did they came from
eternal talon
the meteor
subtle verge
Can't we call these fuckers aliens?
They aren't technically aliens, per se, as the sleepers have been on earth far longer than humans -- but technically. The floaters & kraken are considered aliens if they were to come to earth, however since we go to their turf, we're technically the aliens.
pure folio
if there were already in earth
eternal talon
under garganta
pure folio
They aren't technically aliens, per se, as the sleepers have been on earth far l...
THANK YOU
eternal talon
that was there for 65 million years
sacred moon
They aren't technically aliens, per se, as the sleepers have been on earth far l...
what's the definition of alien life
pure folio
no I think punk can explain things better than you lost
sacred moon
stuff that's come after humans, or stuff that came from another planet
pure folio
it was so easy
eternal talon
no I think punk can explain things better than you lost
wow, rude.
pure folio
wdym rude?
you started debating about the zombie thing
no body even mention it
I didn't even mention virus
eternal talon
ah for fucks sake..
sacred moon
we've moved on from that topic
pure folio
So what did humans do when they notice the sleepers
eternal talon
died?
pure folio
when they first notice them
sacred moon
as far as we know, the first ones died
pure folio
dam that's sad
subtle verge
what's the definition of alien life
Well, technically the definition of alien is "something foreign that later is naturalized," this is in reference to things like invasive species.
sacred moon
then the other humans present, the security forces, fought back and held them off for potentially years
eternal talon
i'd imagine when they encountered these hibernating sleepers and woke them, shit really hit the fan fast for the miners in those tunnels.
sacred moon
but the first contact was probably a human death^^
subtle verge
Extraterrestrial life, on the other hand, is probably what you're looking for -- something that originates outside of the earth and it's atmosphere.
sacred moon
ah, that makes sense yes
The sleepers/parasite are most likely extraterrestrial
but technically not aliens
that make sense?
eternal talon
most certainly
most information we have leads credence to the meteor originating from destination alpha
pure folio
When I was playing the game I notice a lot of security doors. Biological scans that must mean they already knew about the sleepers. By it feels like they were experimenting something.
Why the matter projector?
eternal talon
we didn't make it.
it is an artifact in the hammerstein collection found in the meteor
subtle verge
When I was playing the game I notice a lot of security doors. Biological scans ...
The Bioscans were actually a part of the BIOCOM system that prevented people without the proper security clearance passed certain doors and vice versa.
pure folio
That's actually handy
eternal talon
jevil, read this. it should explain the basics of the lore of the game
we also have an FAQ, timeline, and all past and present text and audio logs are stored on the wiki
pure folio
Is it possible to translate these logs to the terminals?
like some type of code puzzle?
eternal talon
the "logs" command
if a terminal has a log, you can type "read" then spacebar, then the name of the log
not every terminal has a log though
all are cataloged and transcribed as rundowns come out
sacred moon
pretty much every terminal has a log, whether it's an auto-generated error log or a lore log however is relevant^^
pure folio
oh shit
sacred moon
specifics, specifics
sacred moon
have fun
subtle verge
Is it possible to translate these logs to the terminals?
I'm not sure what you mean by this. Are you asking if the available logs that we have are able to be seen in terminals in-game?
Each rundown has had logs, but you won't be able to find logs from Rundown 001-005 in R6.
You can find it on the wiki and on the log database in the pins.
pure folio
I'm saying if we have any logs from the wiki that we can input to the terminals for R6.
subtle verge
There's also the official Santonian Mining Company website, but I've not had much luck navigating that one.
pure folio
To show some lore
subtle verge
OH. Other way around, the logs are in-game that we have extracted to the wiki.
subtle verge
Yep!
eternal talon
jevil, read this. it should explain the basics of the lore of the game
@subtle verge so should i rewrite the "what is nam-v? what is the parasite?" section and remove the word "symbiotic"?
subtle verge
<@!156901751838998528> so should i rewrite the "what is nam-v? what is the paras...
Yeah, remove any reference to symbiosis as it makes no real-world sense.
harsh saffron
would be pretty cool if we had hidden commands on some terminals, but then again, we would never find those (at least not through normal means)
subtle verge
Replace it with possibilities of a commensal relationship or mutualism.
eternal talon
what term should i use to replace symbiotic?
eternal talon
mutualistic?
subtle verge
would be pretty cool if we had hidden commands on some terminals, but then again...
That would honestly be really cool. I'd love to spend an hour trying to find something like that.
subtle verge
mutualistic?
Yeah, a benefit for both organisms to rely on each other for x reason.
subtle token
you mean symbiotic?
subtle verge
I just realized what I said. Curse my morning brain.
Thank you for pointing out my morning lunacy.
It's speculated that it's commensal or mutualistic symbiosis.
There we go. Fixed that blunder.
celest pagoda
Something to do with the fact that we've now collected the "Pathogen Genome Database" maybe something to do with NAM-V, or something entirely new. Only time will tell
eternal talon
Well to be fair, in rundown 2 and 3 we had the neonate hsu, but that plotline was completely unrelated to r4
subtle verge
I'm honestly more excited about R6 extension than R7. Too many unknown variables to really gauge what is coming with R7.
amber field
Literally this ^ we can assume we'll get something juicy lore wise for an extension, but we have no idea what will happen in the lore in r7
subtle verge
At least with R6ex, we'll have a slight hint at what to expect with R7, and perhaps get some answers to questions in R6.
eternal talon
I'm honestly more excited about R6 extension than R7. Too many unknown variables...
Any day now... though I'm starting to lose hope
amber field
Have you finished the current expeditions lost?
harsh saffron
Ngl, if it's like R5ext, ppl who care about the lore will know about it first. cough new logs on santonian website before ext cough
eternal talon
Are there?
eternal talon
We are a week past the probable extention drop date
harsh saffron
Just don't expect a specific date so you can't be disappointed 
subtle verge
They'll make an announcement in the #game-announcements channel, I'd imagine.
Anything you guys are hoping to get answered or hinted at in R6ex/7?
harsh saffron
They'll make an announcement in the <#408584474767523860> channel, I'd imagine.
Yeah, that's what I meant, we got like 6 new logs on the archives like 1,5 weeks before they just dropped r5ext and announced it
eternal talon
Yeah, that's what I meant, we got like 6 new logs on the archives like 1,5 weeks...
And we've had nada.
harsh saffron
Anything you guys are hoping to get answered or hinted at in R6ex/7?
I mean warden stuff is always nice, but I guess just more stories from the outside world not just from the time after nam-v. I just love world building
eternal talon
I don't care about anything else, just lore and cosmetics
royal finch
Any other lore
GTFO lore:
eternal talon
ttt:
ancient alien theory:
tall anchor
Anything you guys are hoping to get answered or hinted at in R6ex/7?
I want to know more about the biology of the parasite
harsh saffron
oh yeah thats a good one
eternal talon
dim scroll
yummy
dim scroll
Anything you guys are hoping to get answered or hinted at in R6ex/7?
the ash creature
😳
If we can see it then it's even better
subtle verge
I'm hoping to see the mimic, too. And yeah, biology from the Sleepers would be dope as hell.
tropic dust
*maybe this has already been answered but I want to know what's the background/history of the prisoners?
eternal talon
*maybe this has already been answered but I want to know what's the background/h...
Project legion
Basically, Kovac take ex cons, volunteers, and others forced into the project, and wipes their memories with the use of HSUs to make the ideal soldiers. Ones that wouldn't question orders.
At the time of the game, there are approximately 30k prisoners in the complex (dead and alive included)
Now, biocom, the warden, was a Kovac software that helped run their operations and managed their KSOs
After the warden took over biocom, it had access to the prisoners.
Eirgo, us in the game serving the warden
I hope this helped @tropic dust
Unless you were talking about the individual 4 prisoners we play as in the game. Each of them have their own backstory on how they ended up in project legion
Woods was an American soldier that killed his own troops and was court martialed, Hackket killed his brother and mother and vaulenteered into legion to try and escape the trauma,
Bishop tried blackmailing his boss, so they sent him to a civil war, which he unexpectedly survived, Kovac found him after the war and wiped any trace of him, then took him in forcefully. Dauda.. I'm not sure I know he was working for either Dreyfus or Santonian,
I don't quite remember the rest in the case of dauda, I'm sorry.
hot burrow
Dauda was blackmailed. He joined project insight and was a part of the sleeper outbreak
rapid iron
was he blackmailed? I thought he was in trouble with interpol and Santonian basically gave him a way out in exchange for working with them?
quick grove
the ash creature
Yes pls
lilac island
what is the kraken
subtle verge
Dauda wasn't blackmailed, that was Bishop trying to blackmail Jansen Davies. IIRC he (Dauda) was in serious trouble and SMC hired him in exchange for expungement.
subtle verge
what is the kraken
The Kraken is a giant, floating, monstrosity that we don't have a clue about at the moment.
quick grove
what is the kraken
Play D1 and you'll find out
quick grove
Dauda wasn't blackmailed, that was Bishop trying to blackmail Jansen Davies. IIR...
Bishop tried to blackmail jansen davies
Not woods
subtle verge
Bishop tried to blackmail jansen davies
Thank you, I always mix those two up.
lilac island
Play D1 and you'll find out
I did, yeah
quick grove
Here how the characters got involved into the legion program
Bishop tried to Black mail jansen davies got sent to a city to die somehow survived and was takin in by kovac to be forced into the legion program
Hackett welp he just volunteered because he doesn't care about killing people.
Dauda was hired by SMC as a scientist doctor or some sorts at the end of the day he regrets what he has done and he tried to ran away from the sleepers and he put him self into the HSU
Woods is a deranged man who takes his religious way to serious and killed a few Marines and even got shot a few times as well somehow didn't die but ye he was taken in the legion program and just put into the HSU
Idk maybe this will help people
quick grove
Thank you, I always mix those two up.
No problem
quick grove
I did, yeah
Ah okay big thing with tenticals is the kraken
Like massive thing that has tenticals
knotty harness
i think it's hilarious that woods believes he's ON A MISSION FROM GOD because for all we know the warden IS god
/s
it always gets darker before dawn 
rapid iron
Woods was a religious maniac who killed a bunch of people
Dauda feared what he created, and died a coward, instead of facing the monstrosities he made, and is revived to face his punishment once again
Hackett watched people die, and volunteered cuz idk funny
Bishop attempted to blackmail a Dreyfus higher up (Unless Jansen is the CEO or some shit??? I cant remember for the life of me) and was sent to a city in civil war to die, survived and got put into a HSU to suffer
sacred moon
CEO.
Bishop blackmailed a higher up, the higher up later got into CEO position and promptly send Bishop to a civil war zone, he somehow survived, Kovac found him and promptly extracted him to Project Legion (possibly with bribes from Jansen, but we don't know the specifics)
agile plinth
Woods was a religious maniac who killed a bunch of people
Dauda feared what he c...
hackett volunteered since he saw that he had no problems killing people
dim scroll
epic
quick grove
Woods was a religious maniac who killed a bunch of people
Dauda feared what he c...
Dauda never died lmao
He put himself into an HSU
That doesn't mean he dies
pure folio
AI
sacred moon
afawk Dauda ran away from sleepers and locked himself in an HSU when the area he was in got overrun
and then was eventually retrieved by the warden
pure folio
I have a feeling that the warden is doing something really awful
sacred moon
CTO of Dreyfus
thanks
quick grove
rapid iron
Dauda never died lmao
no its what he said
and technically when u go into a HSU ur dead
rapid iron
they need to resuscitate u
quick grove
Nothing about dying
Is there a log stating that your dead when you enter a HSU and revived?
quick grove
@subtle verge
rapid iron
when u go in, assuming it is a 'stasis' chamber, all biological processes are stopped, which is why you are able to be left for so long, u need to be revived after
rapid iron
ok Wiki is not exactly a reliable source, but it literally says that you are 'dead for all intents and purposes'
quick grove
Where?
rapid iron
no its what he said
.
he said that he died a coward in his sleep instead of facing the abominations he created
hence why I used the words died
rapid iron
also uh....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZcLpddi5ys
?
quick grove
Your sending me a log i've listened to a thousand times over and over
rapid iron
yes and so?
harsh saffron
I would assume Dauda didn't think he would ever get found and resuscitated. He probably just assumed the whole world will be doomed and he just opted to die "in his sleep" rather than being eaten alive.
rapid iron
tru dat, I said he "died in his sleep a coward, revived to face his punishment"
I think that is a fair statement
as well as ofc the whole being considered dead in a HSU u and everything
quick grove
Thats the wiki again unreliable
quick grove
https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/HSU
Lmao wiki lol
rapid iron
also uh....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZcLpddi5ys
this
and tell me merv, in R3A1 do u not resuscitate a baby in a HSU?
quick grove
Thats a statement made by a character who thought he was going to die
Never be able to wake up again if he put himself into the HSU
rapid iron
Thats a statement made by a character who thought he was going to die
yes and so I use it as both a factual statement, and a phrase that the character said himself
quick grove
Erm no
rapid iron
do u not resuscitate a baby in r3???
quick grove
@harsh saffron
rapid iron
do u not resuscitate a baby in a HSU in R3?
quick grove
Help this poor lost soul pls
rapid iron
*soul