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south lake
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Oh no I just mean that the reactors being shut off would trigger emergency backup power

pseudo iris
south lake
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Sudden and extreme power cuts followed by equally sudden undervolted power restorations could mimic a decaying PSU and result in enough of a brown out considering the size of the facility that certain components could have been fried

pseudo iris
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We do know that there are some Zones with their own power source

south lake
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Aye, generally any serious research facility will have emergency backup generators to (temporarily) prevent containment breaches and the like caused by lack of power

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But E-GENS aren't meant for extended durations of use, and tend to have a very limited fuel supply

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Damn, you were quicker than I was kekw

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Was just about to ping you guys about the phisher

pseudo iris
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I didn't even see it

south lake
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One of those fake "get free nitro" links

pseudo iris
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they're everywhere all the damn time

south lake
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Mhm

pseudo iris
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had to sent DM to me in the last week

south lake
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But yeah, depending on how long the facility has been abandoned, the backup generators could be running low enough on power that the terminals are suffering brownouts

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Or they're just completely inactive, if they're your standard real world variants, since those need almost constant maintenance checks and whatnot to keep them from breaking down unexpectedly

pseudo iris
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Why would it stop clocking time. Surely it doesn't take much power/data?

south lake
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That's why I mentioned the CMOS battery

pseudo iris
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Take me through it, what is CMOS?

south lake
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You know that little silver battery you see on motherboards?

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That's the CMOS battery. It enables the motherboard to store the time and date internally, allowing for fast and easy network synchronization checks.

pseudo iris
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oh the little penny battery

subtle verge
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That'd be another good guess considering the place has been overrun for quite some years.

pseudo iris
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ah yes I see now

south lake
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If the CMOS battery fails but you have an active network connection, the computer will default to whatever the network says what day/time it is

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And then immediately lose it again if you were to say, reboot the computer

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No CMOS battery, no date/time storage

pseudo iris
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Well some Terminals such as in A1 are inactive due to an error

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and require input

south lake
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That's why I mentioned the backup generators

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Rolling blackouts can cause enough "soft" damage to hard drives and the like (and especially SSDs) if left unregulated that the OS fails to boot

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Which if the emergency backup generators have been running this entire time with no maintenance, you would be having periodic, rolling blackouts due to disrepair

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As they're both not meant to be running for this period of time, and require constant supervision to swap out broken or damaged parts, or introduce more fuel

pseudo iris
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That could explain it

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I can just imagine the Devs peaking in here and being like "write that down! write that down!"

south lake
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Enough rolling blackouts could also result in total data loss

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Or just flat out brick the drives

pseudo iris
south lake
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Most surge protectors are single-use as well, as they use a simple breaker fuse system to stop a power surge from trashing the items it's connected to

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If incoming power is too high, that fuse pops and cuts power

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So it's also very likely that just firing up reactors causes enough of a power surge to fry several databases

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Since data storage servers, and servers of most kinds are sensitive enough to power fluctuations that they often just fry from being rebooted after being run for a period of time

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Which is why you see server rooms decked out in antistatic equipment, and the like

eternal talon
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i wonder how the warden is keeping itself powered without new fuel sources since humanity is gone

toxic blaze
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Don't servers also die just from age?

south lake
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That too yes

toxic blaze
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Well physical data storage

south lake
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Depends

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Phone keyboard is irritating me, moving to PC rq

pseudo iris
solar nova
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At this point, I think we're just using what we get, sustainability be damned.

south lake
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Okay, so

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HDDs will absolutely just die after running for long enough, since their method of R/W access causes gradual destruction of the diskplate that the arm reads from

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SSDs, as long as power remains stable and/or shut off entirely, and there's no Read/Write requests being processed, have a functionally indeterminate lifespan

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Could be tens of years, could be hundreds, provided ideal conditions

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And that's before Datacell burnout starts occuring

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SSDs by design have backup Datacells to move data to when its management software detects Cell Burnout occuring

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It results in a slight loss of capacity, but preserves the data

pseudo iris
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My issue is whose to say that some other storage medium isn't being used

south lake
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If there is, it has no real-world basis and we can't even begin to guess what its limits are.

pseudo iris
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Are their any Logs that specifically identify storage

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Quantum storage is a thing

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irl

solar nova
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Conceivable, but we know for sure they use HDDs, seemingly quite often.

pseudo iris
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eww

south lake
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Standard laboratory equipment often uses outdated hardware, yeah

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The actual data storage servers would be more high-tech though, generally

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As those have to be as failproof as you can reasonably get them, otherwise you risk losing years or even decades of work

pseudo iris
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I feel that Garganta would have top of the line storage

south lake
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Assuming off-site data storage, aye

solar nova
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We know that a major (the main?) server overheats after the "explosion," though.

south lake
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If the data storage is on-site, not necessarily

solar nova
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Maybe even unrelated, it just overheats

south lake
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Because server rooms have a priority one necessity to remain clean

pseudo iris
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I've just scanned the database, the Logs make no mention of SSD, HDD or storage of any kind

toxic blaze
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Isn't there like scientist trying to make quantum storage as of late?

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Like to the point it forever but it's only a one time write?

pseudo iris
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Google has done some research I believe

south lake
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Also, Quantum MEMORY is in-use in the real world

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Quantum Storage is another thing entirely

pseudo iris
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Yes but Quantum memory is unstable

solar nova
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R4A1 Main, R5A2 Overload.

south lake
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We have a kind of extremely high-capacity storage in the form of crystal mediums, but the problem with that is that once you fill it, it's full forever.

pseudo iris
south lake
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You cannot read/write with crystal medium storage *once it's full

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Only read

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Theoretically you could use a thick enough crystal sheet to store petabytes of data

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But real-world it's only been used for about up to 360 Terabytes

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That and crystal mediums are extremely fragile

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A large enough quake could cause cracking in the crystal lattice and make the data unrecoverable

pseudo iris
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by Crystal do you mean optical data storage?

south lake
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No

pseudo iris
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so not like glass optical

south lake
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It was a conceptual data storage medium that Hitachi and Microsoft looked into at one point

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They managed to work up to 360TB of data into one sheet

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But the problem is that it's so disgustingly expensive and prone to damage that it's not worth pursuing

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Even one accident could render an entire sheet of data useless

pseudo iris
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Oh Elon Musk owns one of the disks....

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typical

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Microsoft does have plans to use it, it seems

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For GitHub...

south lake
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As far as I know there's no other feasible data storage mediums that have a real-world root (and thus are able to be reasonably quantified in their limits)

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Hence why I'm guessing they use either HDDs or SSDs, or a mix

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Likely SSDs for the actual data storage servers and HDDs for the terminals

pseudo iris
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I would like a notion from the Devs that states that any technology within the game does not step outside of reality

solar nova
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HDDs are presumably being used to hold research data and store it easily.

south lake
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Since when you're working in what effectively amounts to a mine, you're going to have frequent quakes

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And SSDs are incredibly shock-resistant

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And thus would be extremely useful for storing finalized research data

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Also useful in the event of some kind of blackout protocol, since destroying the data would only require a mass power overload to wherever the data is being stored

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Which is feasible given Santonian's penchant for secrecy

pseudo iris
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The memory crystal is capable of storing up to 360 terabytes worth of data for billions of years

south lake
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Theoretically.

pseudo iris
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Sounds like a pipedream for sure

solar nova
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Just don't drop it 4Head

south lake
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The crystal lattice is extremely fragile - not conducive to a mining operation at all - and disgustingly expensive

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So would very likely not be used in the Facility itself

pseudo iris
south lake
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Possibly, but that would completely eliminate your ability to write to it

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Since data has to be engraved on it to write to it

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And using sharp instruments for that runs the risk of causing microfractures that render the data useless

pseudo iris
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Could the laser not house the crystal?

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Seeing as it written on by laser

south lake
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I'm.. not sure what you're asking. The laser is used to write to it, yes, but if you stored the lattice inside the laser, it wouldn't be able to write to it.

pseudo iris
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I mean you'd have the laser part of the housing holding the crystal, then you'd suspend the whole thing in gel with just a wire trailing out

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for power

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I'm just speculating

south lake
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You'd need way more than a wire for that

pseudo iris
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HT lead then

south lake
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Assuming a 100% efficient laser by today's standards, that's 3.6kJ per 0.5Mbits of data

pseudo iris
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I'm oversimplifying. In this alternate future their could be any measure of technology

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so I guess anything is on the table

solar nova
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Most of what we have suggests that most of the tech is pretty standard, though.

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BIOCOM and hydrostasis are genuinely the most futuristic things.

pseudo iris
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I know but I'd assume that Garganta has some not so standard tech

pseudo iris
solar nova
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Not really, not outside of the artifacts anyway.

south lake
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I wouldn't be surprised if Hydrostasis was designed with the help of whatever artifacts they've found down there

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And BIOCOM is probably just natural advancement in AI tech

pseudo iris
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I mean in this future Tungsten is so readily available that it's used for bullets

solar nova
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No, the timeline is way out of order for that.

pseudo iris
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I don't get why Kovac would have developed HSUs though

south lake
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They wanted an army they could force the loyalty of VIA memory wiping.

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Extended periods of Hydrostasis cause extreme long-term memory loss in subjects, plus psychological instability past a certain point, if I'm remembering correctly

pseudo iris
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Like what happened with the Mars mission

south lake
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That and an army in Hydrostasis is an army you don't have to feed, clothe, or house

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Since when in Hydrostasis, you're effectively dead

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But in a preserved state one is able to be resuscitated from

south lake
# pseudo iris Like what happened with the Mars mission

Given a mission to Mars - using today's rocket tech as a basis - would take months to reach, if they were using Hydrostasis to get people there, it's possible whatever resuscitation method they had on board failed to execute properly

pseudo iris
south lake
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Ahh, okay.

pseudo iris
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they were just delusional

south lake
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I haven't looked into the mars mission itself, so I'm not up to snuff on that particular topic.

solar nova
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It's not unlikely the crew forgot a ton of pertinent information you'd need to drive a lander.

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That's the implication rn, anyhow.

pseudo iris
south lake
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I do know that if they arrived after the apparent fall of humanity, they'd be screwed completely

pseudo iris
south lake
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No, they would be totally and irrevocably screwed

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Mars has no arable soil

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Meaning no way to grow food

eternal talon
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potatoes.

pseudo iris
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Thought the whole point was a Mars mission would be 100% self sustaining

solar nova
south lake
eternal talon
south lake
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Yeah, I was incorrect on that point, that's my bad.

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Was just a wild guess.

pseudo iris
south lake
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That's.. I doubt that.

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Terraforming isn't even remotely feasible in today's time, much less in 2050

eternal talon
south lake
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Also that

pseudo iris
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it's ESAs mission but Dreyfus had a huge hand in it

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doesn't seem unlikely they were trying to get setup on Mars to mine it

eternal talon
south lake
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Actual, honest-to-god Terraforming involves altering the planet's composition on a global scale to create an environment able to eventually sustain life by itself

eternal talon
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dreyfus own a LOT of companies

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like irl google or tencent

south lake
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Since anything less than global would result in complete ecological collapse of terraformed regions

pseudo iris
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And they were making great effort to control the narrative of humanity, at least that's what I'm getting

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At the least Kovac wanted something from the ESA considering they sold the ESA the HSUs, initially at least

south lake
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Any case

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Even if they were able to get a colony up and running, they would only have a few months of food at the most before they ran out and starved

solar nova
south lake
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Because a Mars colony with no periodic resource dumps is ultimately a suicide mission due to being unable to self-sustain

pseudo iris
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I hope our actual Mars mission don't start off dependant

south lake
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It'll have to.

pseudo iris
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Seems, inefficient

south lake
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The energy required to terraform a planet like mars is so far beyond the scope of anything our world can produce that we would quite literally have to have something along the lines of a Dyson Swarm to even begin to conceptualize a device to achieve such a thing.

pseudo iris
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I see GMO potatoes grown in the Mars soil being a more viable option

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I'd bet money on it

south lake
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Mars soil is not arable.

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At all.

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There are no nutrients. There is no water.

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It is sterile and dead.

pseudo iris
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There is water but frozen

eternal talon
pseudo iris
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The nutrients would come from the waste

south lake
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Buried so far underground as to be inaccessible, because mining equipment would not survive the trip

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And simply introducing nutrients isn't enough

pseudo iris
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the sun provides most of the nutrients and theres plenty of it

south lake
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Wrong kind of nutrients.

pseudo iris
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I honest to God think that growing crops there is the plan

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I'm no expert but I am sure that's what the agencies are planning

south lake
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And on top of that, Mars' atmosphere is so thin that exposure to the sun on that planet would immediately irradiate any plants caught in its light

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Making them inedible

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The only way you would be able to grow any kind of food on that planet would be in a greenhouse environment, which would still require arable soil and accessible water

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Which would equally still require frequent supply drops

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Especially given the several month timeframe to reach Mars from Earth

pseudo iris
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The greenhouse is the idea

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There's no way they'd grow exposed on Mars

south lake
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It would also have to be a sterile greenhouse environment, as we have no idea what a wider variety of earth bacteria would cause if it was allowed to come into contact with martian soil and left alive

pseudo iris
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You'll be surprised how hardy crops can be

south lake
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Crops can be very hardy, I know. I live in a region known for its farmland. 👀

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But when soil is 100% non-arable

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Nothing can grow in it

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Not even potatoes

pseudo iris
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It's more arable than you think

solar nova
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?

south lake
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Alright. This is going nowhere.

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Anyway.

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What was our last topic? Storage mediums?

pseudo iris
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I believe so

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Although I think we covered it

south lake
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Trying to figure out where we were before we got off track

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Oh, the laser

pseudo iris
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The original topic was current date of the Rundown

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which lead to why the Terminals were not showing current dates

south lake
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Mhm, which is how we got onto the storage medium bit, and we were talking about crystalline data storage, which is how we got onto the topic of the laser and the lattice being suspended in gel

solar nova
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Could be as early as 2057, I forget the latest date before things start to cease functioning beyond what we see in-game.

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Plants in the floodways are thriving, though.

south lake
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But in any case, assuming the tech is reasonably modern-era

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It's likely just the simple explanation of the CMOS batteries being dead and needing to be replaced

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Though at this point it's likely too late for any kind of synchronic date storage VIA linking back up to the network and pulling the date from there once the batteries are replaced

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Since there's.. probably no network to link up to now

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Given facilities like that tend to be on isolated networks (to prevent intrusion from the wider online community), and it being abandoned for so long all but guarantees that network is either malfunctioning or dead

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WRDN being able to jack into this network can easily be handwaved away as it having access to some kind of hardline capability for the network itself

solar nova
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We know explicitly from the AUTO-GEN log that the main server room overheats in late 2053.

00.04G Main server room temperature exceeding 38.999°C

south lake
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Mhm

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So whatever data we do have likely comes from a maintained backup

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Almost guaranteed to be off-site if it hasn't overheated

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Which, to be fair, for data this important you're going to want an off-site backup, anyway

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And Santonian is anything but stupid

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They got as far as they did with minimal outside interference, after all

solar nova
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Things are apparently in-tact enough that they keep doing research after shit hits the fan, which is kind of nuts.

south lake
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That all but confirms the presence of extensive, possibly even complete data backups maintained off-site, then

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And whatever they don't have, is likely what we're tasked with retrieving occasionally

solar nova
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Hard to tell what this is precisely, but it seems like this is the main server offloading its vital functions (and data) to other systems.

unknown.png
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A82.92, A32.33, and A01.91 are, presumably, servers of some sort.

south lake
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"Emergency Blast Data Transfer" could imply that it's doing rapid bulk uploading to an offsite location

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Given Santonian was able to set up a Jump Gate of all things, it's not unreasonable to assume that they've also got the means to dump extreme amounts of data onto another system all at once with virtually zero buffering/write time

solar nova
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Acc. to the log itself, executing EBDT took exactly 51 seconds.

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So, spot on.

south lake
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One could argue that it's just text logs, but I don't think that would be a valid argument since text logs wouldn't allow them to continue their research

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Not by themselves, at least

subtle verge
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Well, BIOCOM wasn't Santonian, but Kovac. And we know that Kovac has many different branches around the world. It's possible it's sending info to a designated "home" branch.

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Wherever the main branch is, of course.

south lake
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Maybe, but BIOCOM was also commandeered by WRDN at that point, wasn't it?

solar nova
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From what we know rn, it seems like KDS Deep is probably its own network that can interface w/ whatever Garganta's network is.

subtle verge
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WRDN has been in the backgrounds of BIOCOM for a long time, but I don't think it was originally planted when BIOCOM was implemented.

south lake
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Fair, though I'm speaking mainly of the point in time where WRDN took direct control over BIOCOM, which it saw as an intrusion

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Given Kovac bragging about how BIOCOM isn't beholden to anyone's orders, and Santonian's need for secrecy, I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if WRDN was created by Santonian to ensure BIOCOM couldn't give Kovac ammunition against them should shit hit the fan, for whatever reason.

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But that's neither here nor there

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Depending on when that log was made, the data transfer could either have been Kovac or Santonian

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Or some heretofore unknown party

subtle verge
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I think a lot of folks believe that WRDN is a third-party injection, but it is possible that it was Santonian or something.

south lake
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My assumption is that it's a Santonian backdoor program

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Given the extensive control BIOCOM has over the facility, it would be foolish to not take advantage of that in case something goes wrong

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I mean it even has control over the reactors

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That in itself is an immensely valuable failsafe

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Since in the event of total containment failure or outside intrusion, WRDN could detonate those reactors and render the site worthless

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If it deemed it to be necessary, I mean

subtle verge
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I think that would beg the question: who at SMC would have the know-how to outmaneuver the #1 PMC organization in the world? Though I suppose it's definitely not out of the question to think that someone higher-up in clearance would be able to.

south lake
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Likely the person who started this entire thing.

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Or at the very least he had contacts that could do that for him.

subtle verge
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Not out of the realm of possibility. Davies had a huge backing with him.

south lake
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Mhm

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And you don't keep shit like this secret without knowing some major heavy hitters.

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And given how deep this facility runs, how advanced it is, and how every floor seems to have an almost excessive amount of lockdown security, it's likely that even Kovac didn't know the full extent of what was going on.

subtle verge
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Perhaps someone within the folds of Dreyfus Industries, I'd imagine. Keeping in-house secrets, well.. in-house. The UN would have been rabid dogs against them and KDS if they were that contact.

south lake
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Mhm

subtle verge
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A lot of that lockdown measure was implemented by KDS and the BIOCOM system.

south lake
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Likely also contacts in the UN running distraction

subtle verge
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Rather, a vast majority of it.

south lake
subtle verge
south lake
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I remember reading something about a worker who turned violent because he refused to stay isolated, and either Santonian or Kovac sent one of the soldiers that was in Hydrostasis after him

subtle verge
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I don't distinctly remember reading that, but I also may have just forgotten.

south lake
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Let me see if I can find the log

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Cursory search isn't bringing it up. I could've sworn it was on the wiki. It mentioned something like a worker breaking mandatory isolation.

solar nova
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Check the analyst report logs.

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Earliest date should be the one that's somewhat tangential to what you're saying.

subtle verge
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Re: re: Kovac Mess

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About the engineer who was shot by a KSO.

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All that's stated is that he: "walked in to a restricted zone." There's no further elaboration.

south lake
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Hmm.

subtle verge
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Alleging that the exclusion zones are considered under martial law due to Mexican national law, and that all workers who sign the contract are aware of the "administrative punitive consequence" over any person within the exclusion zone.

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Let me see what I can find with the lockdown logs.

south lake
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Yeah, I can't find it on the wiki

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Oh well

solar nova
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Can't say it rings any bells, personally.

south lake
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I'm probably just misremembering the contents of the log

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It is only 9:30 AM, and I'm running on no coffee, after all KEKW

solar nova
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There's a few tangential logs.

south lake
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On that note, brb

solar nova
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"Solving the issue with Sullivan"
Complacency about procedure (analyst report)
KSO kills Igor (Kovac mess)

subtle verge
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Only things I'm finding is... 'Seasons Greetings/Restrictions' where the initial development of NAM-V starts, then in 'Changes' where Dean Lockwood talks about holding the memorial service for Andrew, and then to reiterate that they're not mandating mask usage -- in regards to NAM-V in Garganta.

south lake
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Hmm.

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Yeah, I'm at a loss.

subtle verge
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Oh you know what: I wonder if you're talking about the audio log between Jordy and Teale.

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But it's not necessarily talking about breaking any kind of curfew, but he is the one that says it smells damp and like decay.

south lake
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Mm, no, because Jordy eventually just walks into a drillhead to commit suicide

subtle verge
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Hmm...

south lake
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The log I'm thinking of referenced some worker being hunted down by a KSO for refusing to stay isolated for the required period and trying to break out of the facility

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I think KSO is the term for the Hydrostasis'ed soldiers?

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I'm not entirely sure on that front

solar nova
solar nova
subtle verge
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Kovac Specialist Operative; there's another term but it's essentially the same thing. But yeah, that's right.

south lake
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I was thinking it was more something along the lines of "Kill Squad Operative", given the context KEKW

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Though.. Potayto/potahto, right?

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God that phrase translates horribly into text.

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TTS when, Discord

south lake
subtle verge
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Listening to them now.

south lake
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Though I don't think State of Truth had anything concrete about what was going on inside the facility itself, did they?

solar nova
south lake
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Ahhh, okay

solar nova
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Who was seemingly from the complex.

south lake
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Very likely was a SoT log then

solar nova
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Which you might be remembering.

south lake
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I didn't check those

solar nova
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Should be an R5 log.

south lake
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I was going through Facility-specific logs when I was looking for it, might explain why I missed it

subtle verge
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EBDT-SOT-ALA.LOG:

Caller about Dreyfus Industries, works for SMC in Garganta. Helicopter circling him, talks about burning bodies. People going crazy, coming back mangled. Bonemeal broken and bent, skin changes. Found "something" down there, tightened security, stopped letting people in and out -- call drops.

south lake
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Ah, must've been when the Sleepers first started getting out of control (or first appearing?)

eternal talon
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Could also refer to the Hammerstein collection artifacts

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Any "sleepers" that would be there at first would NOT be of infested humans. They would be allens.

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It took some time for nam-v and the parasite to adapt to humanity

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See log about NAM-V Initially being asymptomatic

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Or at least being compared to a mild flu

south lake
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I saw that. It reads way more like "Remain Calm, Everything Is Fine" propaganda than them honestly informing people that NAM-V is fairly safe

eternal talon
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I don't remember off the top of my head

eternal talon
south lake
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No, I'm talking about the log you just mentioned where they said that those infected by NAM-V are likely to be asymptomatic

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It reads like blatant propaganda intended to keep people calm and in the dark

pseudo iris
subtle verge
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Yeah, it for sure does. Much like what we experienced at the very beginning of Covid.

subtle verge
pseudo iris
south lake
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I wonder if the heli the guy mentions circling him is trying to pinpoint where the call is originating from, would explain why it suddenly cuts off.

subtle verge
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More than likely the case. Wouldn't surprise me if they shot him, too.

pseudo iris
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He does mention how he fled from SMC

eternal talon
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"An alarming increase in the suicide rate has been noticed during the second half of 2052. While depression and psychological issues are to be expected with a work force spending extended periods of time underground, the numbers reveal a steady rise in psycho-pharmaceutical use. The upward trend began in April 2052, and surged dramatically throughout the year."

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analyst report #SAMD-C043-07

south lake
pseudo iris
south lake
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Sure, but it's also kind of a pain in the ass to keep track of people in general, much less in a vast mining network

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Which is probably why they managed to escape

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BIOCOM most definitely has eyes and ears everywhere in the facility, so they probably tripped something getting out

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That and if things were that far along already, they probably had all manner of perimeter alarms to watch for external containment failure

eternal talon
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so... what the fuck did they crack here? they'd already been all the way down into the inner at this point..

Edit: removed wrong text

solar nova
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NAM-V

south lake
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NAM-V and the parasite carrying it

eternal talon
#

oops hold on

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i know wrong copy paste

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../BIOCOM
illicit communication
meta3.date_stamp(531013.130946)
concern begins/..

D-Lock Block Cipher
alias:int_server.1024_ciph.D017.tier4.a_chaperon.flagged

Well fuck me, you called it Art.

What the hell just happened? The entire place shut down on us. Gianna said the mole broke through some kind of barrier. She noped the fuck out of there and told Insight to go and investigate it. Not that I’d call her a reliable source anymore. 4 of her team have bit it in the last 3 years, so… yeah. It doesn’t take much for her to GTFO.

So Insight charges in (FUCK THOSE GUYS) and clears the area. As per we don’t hear shit from them. I’ve got a 300 strong workforce all looking at their Pit Boss waiting for an order, only I know as much as they do so fuck me, right?

Then I remembered that backdoor you told me about, so a bit of rewiring here, a cable patch there and…I had a listen. DON’T PANIC. I was careful. Used up all my knowledge from CS studies in community college.

Anyway, I didn’t understand a lot of what the nerds were talking about but I did get that they sent a probe in to inspect the chamber. They’ve got KSOs holding off Sleepers left and right but they’re keeping it held down then suddenly BOOM. I know you must have felt it. We were topside and we felt it. Honestly, I thought the walls were going to collapse and we’d all be drowned then I remembered I built them so NAH WE GOOD.

I don’t know what it was though. Some kind of energy blast that fucked up anything in its path and left behind these molten passages. Like shit isn’t mad enough already on this job, now we got laser beams shooting at us.

Fucken. Nutz.

They’ve told us we’re all getting a week off while they figure out “the issue”. I know I’m gonna lose some people over this. They’ll risk the Kovac perimeter rather than go back down there.

Fuck this. Fuick them. Fuck you. Only not you. See you in Chix for stogie.

Shafe.

../BIOCOM
personnel files updated
alert system flagged
concern ends/.

south lake
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TBH I wouldn't be surprised if the parasite infecting people is what allowed NAM-V to jump species to affect human physiology

subtle verge
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This audio log would have been around 2050-2051, I'd imagine, as the Cipher between Anders & Jansen 'Conspiracy radio' was 3 Sept 2050.

solar nova
#

Seems like they accidentally activated some function in the fossil that devastated the area.

eternal talon
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timelines dates at october 13, 2053

south lake
#

Maybe they found (and accidentally triggered) the Matter Wave Projector?

eternal talon
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so this is longer after insight made it down to the inner with kovac to secure most of their artifacts.

south lake
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Or rather, the resource the MWP is holding

eternal talon
#

they were still drilling at this point apparently, this is AFTER lower level evacuation has started

eternal talon
south lake
#

Hmm.

eternal talon
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also the wmp doesn't explode

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this is a blast. it is described as the blastwave leaving corridors as nothing but molten steel

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all the way to the (surface?)

south lake
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It doesn't, no, but the effect of teleportation does emit some kind of (minor) blast effect, as seen when the meatballs bust through the quantum tunnel or whatever WRDN calls it

eternal talon
solar nova
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If the fossil is akin to a ship, then chances are they did something like setting off a rocket engine on accident.

south lake
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Possible.

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Or ignited some kind of unknown, highly volatile fuel source, going off the ship idea

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They did mention KSOs holding off sleepers, so there would be gunfire.

eternal talon
#

afik it's a meteor, not a ship in ways humans would understand with engines and stuff. teleportation seems to be the primary way it moved from destination alpha to earth

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then crashing into the atmo on earth

south lake
#

They drilled into the meteor, sure

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But the fossil isn't the meteor itself, I don't think

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It's just embedded inside it

eternal talon
#

your thinking of the "inner"

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meteor/fossil/egg all names for the same thing

south lake
#

I have to wonder at WRDN's motivation for all of this

eternal talon
#

for what?

south lake
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Is it trying to put a stop to this? Gather research on it for the benefit of Dreyfus? Both?

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All of this

eternal talon
#

pre-apocalypse or post?

south lake
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WRDN has to be sending Prisoners down there for a reason other than "just because"

solar nova
#

Fighting a guerilla war to the best of its abilities to achieve... something.

south lake
#

I wonder if WRDN is a double-entendre

eternal talon
south lake
#

Warden of the prisoners, but also Warden of what remains of mankind (in the sense of a protector of sorts in the latter case)

eternal talon
#

all other humans in the complex have long since died to the parasite

south lake
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Yes, I know

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But there's still 23k other unaccounted for humans on the planet itself

eternal talon
#

yes, but it's unlikely they will be able to do anything

south lake
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That's not the point

eternal talon
#

humanity can't bounce back from something like this

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genetic diversity alone.. humanity is over.

south lake
#

And a generalized Synthetic Intelligence wouldn't care about something like that

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You give it a directive, it fulfills it

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Unless the WRDN is sapient, which I highly doubt

eternal talon
#

it's job is to come up with orders. it's a DI

south lake
#

That doesn't automatically mean that it's sapient

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Sapience would be a level of *awareness like what the average human has

eternal talon
#

it's job is to think and make decisions based on very limited input by kovac

south lake
#

Which is more of a synthetic intelligence, not an awakened Artificial Intelligence in the standard sense

eternal talon
#

warden as far as we know is it's own thing

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it took over the biocom system, but isn't biocom

solar nova
south lake
#

For all intents and purposes, post-injection, BIOCOM has become and is effectively an extension of WRDN

eternal talon
south lake
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WRDN has effectively overwritten BIOCOM

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Meaning it is BIOCOM now

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Or rather, BIOCOM is it, in a sense

eternal talon
#

i don't think you are giving WRDN enough credit.

south lake
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Or to use more human terms, BIOCOM is "dead", and the WRDN has assumed its role

eternal talon
#

think about it like this,

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most if not all companies have a ceo

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that runs the business and does stuff

solar nova
#

It seems to be working on a number of projects currently with no known end-goal.
It wants to probe deeper.
It needed the PGD (pathogen genome database, iirc) and the information within.
It needed the neonate hooked up to the NFRAME (Rise Project related?).
It needed the pMother trial samples.
It needed to reactivate KDS Deep.

eternal talon
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Kovac BUILT their own ceo, BIOCOM

solar nova
#

Presumably, all of these things are somehow related somewhere down the line.

south lake
#

That's not applicable here. BIOCOM was shown resisting WRDN's intrusion attempt

subtle verge
solar nova
#

They're pre-requisites for something, handled in parallel.

south lake
#

At which point WRDN broke through, disabled its security measures, and then overrode it, effectively wiping it out and assuming control over BIOCOM's functions

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Making BIOCOM an extension of the WRDN process

eternal talon
#

point being,

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WRDN is a fully AI. Think Skynet from terminator

subtle verge
#

WRDN is a DI, not an AI.

south lake
#

The fact it broke through security does not mean it's an AI.

solar nova
#

DI is an AI, tho.

eternal talon
#

not necessarily in origin, but in function

eternal talon
south lake
#

Except not in the context I'm using

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I'm talking fully awakened, sapient AI, capable of displaying emotion and thought on the level of humans

eternal talon
#

Yes.

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it is

south lake
#

Which it doesn't

eternal talon
#

just because it's not moral in the eyes of humans doesn't make it any less sentient.

south lake
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If anything it views humans (or the prisoners under its command at least) as replaceable tools

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Which shows a blatant lack of emotion

eternal talon
#

human lives and prisoners are a tool to it.

pseudo iris
eternal talon
pseudo iris
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as in it gives them new organs etc etc

eternal talon
#

are people with mental disabilities?

south lake
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And you're veering way too hard into philosophics.

finite vine
eternal talon
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that, and the sleeper infestation..

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they wouldn't last long being unprepared for that

subtle verge
eternal talon
#

humanity got wiped out by LITERALLY HALF of what is down there

finite vine
eternal talon
south lake
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We don't know that for sure.

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It hasn't been confirmed or denied.

eternal talon
#

nam-v alone DOES NOT create sleepers

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that is a fact.

subtle verge
south lake
#

And if people have found cracks in the facility's security that allowed them to get out unhindered, it's possible there's other such cracks.

eternal talon
#

wither the parasite can do it by itself or if it requires nam-v is unconfirmed, but nam-v can't do it by itself

finite vine
# eternal talon there are not

if there are no sleepers on the surface, and if the WHO has some form of protection against NAM-V, then they can survive near Garganta.

subtle verge
#

That's speculation at best, we don't have verified proof to say one way or another.

pseudo iris
solar nova
pseudo iris
#

From the description I'd say NAM-V mutates people

eternal talon
finite vine
eternal talon
south lake
#

That's because they died prior to the mutation reaching completion.

pseudo iris
eternal talon
eternal talon
finite vine
pseudo iris
finite vine
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it is logistically improbable to do so

eternal talon
pseudo iris
#

maybe Schaeffer?

eternal talon
#

it's like half-way.

finite vine
# eternal talon well then what's your point here?

you literally said that if the WHO went to Garganta, then they will get wiped out by sleepers once they go deep within Garganta. but that is not true, you would not send the entire WHO team into Garganta.

eternal talon
#

and all corpses are the same way.

pseudo iris
eternal talon
finite vine
eternal talon
finite vine
solar nova
#

BIOCOM is probably not going to give a shit about what the WHO wants.

finite vine
#

yea but my point is, WRDN has not taken over yet. So its possible that the WHO or someone else injected WRDN in order to take over the complex

pseudo iris
south lake
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Given that there's zero vocalizations from Sleepers that could be considered "human" and the separation (and apparent removal?) of the brain in most Sleepers, I find it almost statistically impossible that anyone has "survived" mutation

eternal talon
finite vine
solar nova
#

It also seems like it would be very challenging for the WHO to explore much of anything, let alone learn what parties were here and what's operating still.

finite vine
south lake
#

Maybe surviving the initial stages of mutation, but once the skull separates and forms a mouth, death is pretty much guaranteed

pseudo iris
#

Also it seems Lockwood was subjecting people to the Parasite on purpose

eternal talon
finite vine
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BIOCOM intercepted the transmission from the WHO

eternal talon
#

yes, it received the transmission. that has nothing to do with warden.

solar nova
#

Dunno why this is such a focus.

eternal talon
#

biocom is warden

solar nova
#

The WRDN clearly works in the present.

eternal talon
#

you are focusing too much

solar nova
#

Therefore, BIOCOM functions in the present.

finite vine
solar nova
#

Because the WRDN is BIOCOM

finite vine
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yea but its not called BIOCOM anymore. its called WRDN

south lake
#

Other way around.

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WRDN overrode BIOCOM and effectively replaced it.

eternal talon
#

yes.

solar nova
finite vine
pseudo iris
eternal talon
#

again, the program.

finite vine
#

the log is even named xxx-4-WRDN.log

solar nova
#

This one log does not inform how the WRDN is going to generate every single log file.

eternal talon
#

warden is the DI in the BIOCOM system

#

they are one on the same

finite vine
eternal talon
#

warden took over biocom, but it is still to a degree functional

solar nova
#

If I have some object that inherits some class, any functions I call from the parent class are going to be identical unless they are explicitly overwritten by the child object.

solar nova
pseudo iris
#

Why are you all focused on this?

eternal talon
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because it's difference between warden being it's own entity, or not

pseudo iris
#

Tomato Tomato

finite vine
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I dont understand

solar nova
# finite vine I dont understand

If I have some object that inherits some class, any functions I call from the parent class are going to be identical unless they are explicitly overwritten by the child object.

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There is no reason to think the WRDN would be making changes that sweeping.

#

The entire point of inheritance is that you're not starting from scratch.

#

You are making a more specific version of the parent class.

eternal talon
#

it's safe to assume WRDN is a seperate entity that CONTROLS biocom

solar nova
#

The WRDN is a more specific BIOCOM.

eternal talon
#

that is the confusion here sky

finite vine
eternal talon
#

well in that case, no. it took over way before

finite vine
eternal talon
#

biocom was demanding more power back when KOVAC was still around

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i'd have to search for the log

finite vine
#

true there were signs of that

eternal talon
#

but logs say biocom was acting strange

south lake
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But then, humanity is in dire condition, so it's possible they don't have any choice in the matter

finite vine
eternal talon
#

now your giving the WHO too much credit

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because project legion was a kovac SECRET

solar nova
#

^

eternal talon
#

deeeeeep below in the complex

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how the fuck is WHO gonna get to that?

solar nova
#

There is no way the WHO is getting all of this information and then acting upon it so trivially.

eternal talon
#

even IF they somehow found out about it?

solar nova
#

Literally took an E tier just to activate KDS deep, after two full rundowns of preparing for it.

eternal talon
#

correct me if i'm wrong, but the Kovac base in Garganta is on E tier

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several thousand meters down

solar nova
#

~980m down

eternal talon
solar nova
#

E tier is more of a difficulty setting, tbf.

eternal talon
#

KDS deep is still, way below ground

finite vine
#

Really the only proof against my question is that there are a few instances of BIOCOM acting strange before the WHO had interests in Garganta.

solar nova
#

But I invoke it as such, the WHO is going to have a hard time doing anything.

south lake
#

Christ.

eternal talon
#

WHO isn't going to be able to do anything in garganta, even if they manage to get inside.

finite vine
south lake
#

Still, lay off the pushiness, will you? I'm learning about the lore just as much as I am trying to contribute to finding out more about it by posing ideas and such, cut me some slack.

finite vine
solar nova
eternal talon
finite vine
eternal talon
solar nova
#

Hell, this is true IRL.

eternal talon
solar nova
#

Nobody has a complete picture of every project they work on.

eternal talon
#

the terminals still work, we access them for WRDN

finite vine
eternal talon
#

in r1a1

finite vine
eternal talon
#

so it's safe to assume the entire thing up to the gates

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is completely fucked

finite vine
#

no, it is not

eternal talon
#

okay then, even if i'm completely wrong, that's still 400 bloody METERS of SLEEPER INFESTED territory and lockdown sectors before KDS deep and BIOCOM.

finite vine
#

there is a log dated November 25th, 2056, that proves that people were still in the complex. its the one with Artus Charapon.

eternal talon
finite vine
#

back up plans and such. evac procedures

eternal talon
finite vine
#

lol

eternal talon
#

KSOs only lasted as long as they did because they are BADASS MOFOs

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they didn't win in the end.

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but they sure did go down with a fight.

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Kovac made sure NOTHING got out of garganta. to the extent of hunting down a SINGLE employee out in the jungle that was reporting to the state of truth via satellite phone

finite vine
south lake
eternal talon
#

even before the world ended, the mexican government put it under lockdown. martial law. nobody in, or out.

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and that's of the entire region

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not garganta itself

solar nova
#

@finite vine Your theory assumes way too much, a lot of which isn't particularly feasible, meanwhile we just have better explanations for the same things elsewhere.

We'd have to allege the WHO is extremely well-equipped, extremely capable of executing upon a fairly lofty plan, and we'd have to leave our 2054 BIOCOM logs hanging as meaningless red herrings.

We also have to assume that there's still any semblance of an official presence left in Garganta in the present, when we have nothing to hint towards that between Schaeffer and our own time in the complex, while BIOCOM is literally running at least one surface elevator for KSOs.

south lake
#

This is even assuming the WHO still exists

eternal talon
south lake
#

With 25k people left in the world, 2k of which are prisoners, there's a very high chance the WHO isn't even around anymore

#

Not in any major capacity, at least

eternal talon
#

the message was left on repeat for.. years, given it's still going when we of all people find it

south lake
#

Which would further explain WRDN's reliance on prisoners for rundowns

#

And, a message on repeat doesn't guarantee the existence of the sender

eternal talon
#

it's automated.

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it's not recent. they are long dead.

south lake
#

Possibly.

#

It's not guaranteed if it's unconfirmed.

finite vine
south lake
#

Either by evidence beyond a reasonable doubt, or comment from the devs themselves.

eternal talon
solar nova
finite vine
south lake
#

"Evidence beyond a reasonable doubt" covers that. :v

eternal talon
south lake
#

IE future lore entries heavily implying that the WHO is indeed dead and gone

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Or something of that sort

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"Beyond a reasonable doubt" doesn't always have to be explicitly said outright.

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Just skewed very heavily towards such an outcome

eternal talon
#

like in the case of the Hammerstein collection, it's basically guaranteed if not said at this point, that there were ancient allens that sent the meteor to earth from destination alpha.

#

somebody had to make the wmp, the data cubes, the artifacts, somebody had to develop the inner, esc esc

finite vine
#

Alright, if its not the WHO or some other organization that took over BIOCOM and created the WRDN sometime during or after 2057, then who/ what injected the WRDN into BIOCOM?

sacred moon
#

it's guaranteed that the hammerstein artifacts are of alien origin

south lake
#

..The WMP is using tech that is very aesthetically similar to stuff found within Garganta.

sacred moon
#

it is not guaranteed where the meteor came from.

south lake
#

The only thing that isn't similar to tech in Garganta would be the crystal it holds

south lake
eternal talon
sacred moon
#

we know that they found the hammerstein artifacts and didn't make them, only named them after the professor that initially got his hands on em

solar nova
eternal talon
#

what I think it is?

finite vine
#

yea

solar nova
#

And somebody doing that doesn't necessarily have lofty goals in mind.

eternal talon
#

well, i don't really know anymore

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i thought it became self-aware on it's own, but i hadn't heard about the injection log

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so, i'm still betting it's a fully sentient self-aware AI, but i'm not sure what started the chain reaction that led to it.

south lake
#

I highly doubt WRDN is self-aware.

#

It displays no emotion, no understanding that it is, itself, an artificial construct. It doesn't ask questions, it doesn't theorize. It doesn't think out loud. It doesn't exhibit human-like behavior.

finite vine
#

Wait, if you guys think that a human injected it, then who was it and when? Probably some employee of Garganta right? and sometime before 2057? or after?

south lake
#

It simply tells you to do things, and if you refuse, kills you.

eternal talon
finite vine
#

I was under the assumption that u guys thought the warden became sentient on its own

eternal talon
#

that's the entire point of biocom

south lake
#

That's just what AIs do

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That's what they're programmed to do

#

That's what ANY computer does

eternal talon
solar nova
eternal talon
#

so somebody probably wrote the code that led it to becoming self-aware

south lake
#

Your computer is literally "thinking" in a binary sense right now, sending messages over the internet when you request them to be sent.

finite vine
#

cool

south lake
#

That doesn't make your computer self-aware.

eternal talon
#

i mean, it is still demanding power and stuff to think harder. look at r6d3

south lake
#

Again, that does not mean it's self-aware.

solar nova
#

^

south lake
#

Any program given a directive and the means to secure more resources to complete that directive will use those means to complete its directive.

eternal talon
#

we don't know what the warden wants, but honestly i personally hope it is self-aware. it'd lead to a more interesting story imo

south lake
#

I don't, for all the implications that creates.

#

If it is self-aware, then the WRDN could very well just be sending prisoners down into the facility "just because" and it wants to sate its curiosity.

eternal talon
south lake
#

Random to us.

eternal talon
#

every rundown is fundamentally different

eternal talon
south lake
#

Random to us does not mean random in its goals.

eternal talon
#

i didn't say it did.

#

Occam's razor is the thing here though

solar nova
#

The simplest explanation is that the WRDN has some overarching goal or goals and is working to achieve them.

eternal talon
#

so eiergo, it is thinking and has something it WANTS to do.

#

we don't know if it has to

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we don't know how it works

solar nova
#

That's not self-awareness.

eternal talon
#

but it just is

solar nova
#

Machine learning algorithms want to do things, they are not self-aware.

eternal talon
#

not necessarily, they get rewarded and punished based on what they do. they can't comprehend their own existance

#

i'm saying i hope it knows what it is. that it's grand plan is something major, and interesting.

south lake
#

And what we're saying here is that there is literally no evidence that WRDN is able to comprehend its own existence.

eternal talon
#

and not just some dumb machine after the end of the world

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i said i hope and "imo" many times

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i did not claim it as fact.

south lake
#

So the numerous times you've said "it is self-aware" and "it is sentient" don't count, all of a sudden?

eternal talon
eternal talon
south lake
#

Cherrypicking. Go look back at the handful of times I've commented about whether or not it's sentient/sapient/self-aware and you've said "it is"

#

That being said, the missus is waiting on me, so later.

eternal talon
#

according to my theory, because that is what were talking about???

south lake
#

You didn't explain anything of the sort, you simply replied to my post going "it is" (sapient/sentient/etc.)

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And nothing more. But anyway.

eternal talon
#

@solar nova

solar nova
#

Pretty sure you do say "the WRDN is self-aware," pretty freely.

#

Which nothing we know right now indicates.

dim scroll
#

We don't even know how WRDN has been injected into BIOCOM

#

who, why, when & how actually

eternal talon
#

i've only said that 7 times.. EVER

Capture.PNG
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and the two i do say it as fact, are as reference to a doccument i was writing

solar nova
#

7 is quite a lot for a niche lore topic.

eternal talon
#

that i was asking for correction on

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i've been playing gtfo for 2 years...

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i have posts in this channel all the way back to r1

solar nova
#

Most of the actual evidence for the WRDN as an AI is very very recent.

#

It's not really a convo with much history.

eternal talon
#

every time that is relavant i said "i hope".. i don't know what you want from me

solar nova
#

That's how you word it when you're pressed on it.

eternal talon
#

literally only 2 posts are mentioning my theory

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the one i posted 5 minutes ago,

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and the one with me asking about the injection

solar nova
#

"I only said it one time" isn't a super good excuse if you say, with no clarification, something objectionable.

eternal talon
#

oh my god rayalot

solar nova
#

Not sure what ground you hope to gain in this line of argument.

eternal talon
#

DOES "I HOPE" MEAN NOTHING?

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AND "IMO"

solar nova
#

"I hope" was something you said

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when you were pressed

#

"IMO" isn't a very good couch term, opinions can be dog.

#

You have two people whose impression of the conversation was that you, in-fact, considered "the WRDN is sentient" to be a probable fact.

eternal talon
#

the post that started this whole convo is "so, i'm still betting it's a fully sentient self-aware AI, but i'm not sure what started the chain reaction that led to it."

solar nova
#

That is probably an error on your end.

eternal talon
#

does betting mean 100%?

solar nova
#

That sounds like you're staking at least 51% on it, which seems unjustified.

eternal talon
#

maybe unjustified to you

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but i can believe and hope for what i want

solar nova
#

Cool.

karmic vortex
#

the warden is a lie

eternal talon
#

what do you mean by that?

karmic vortex
#

portal 2 reference? " the cake is a lie"

eternal talon
#

ah

karmic vortex
#

also the warden is a lie

#

AI

eternal talon
#

what do you mean by that?

karmic vortex
#

not real

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AI

eternal talon
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well, an DI and an AI are basically the same

karmic vortex
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im edging on either the warden is AI or remember the female scientist in the audio clip in B1, It could be her.

dim scroll
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Warden is definitely the AI

eternal talon
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rebecca stokes?

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it is not her.

karmic vortex
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just like portal fan theory, with glados being the woman scientist.

eternal talon
karmic vortex
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well what remains of her memory

eternal talon
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still, that's not a fan theory

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that's lore of the game

karmic vortex
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im feeling a similar situation here between the warden being AI and Rebecca stokes

eternal talon
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yeahhhhh it's not

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biocom already existed way before the warden

karmic vortex
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ofc

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what do we know about the "nam v?"

eternal talon
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are you new to gtfo lore?

karmic vortex
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ish to lore,

dim scroll
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Seems like it

eternal talon
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i will send him pdf 1 sec

dim scroll
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Hmm

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sometimes i wonder if it's not better to make a bot command

eternal talon
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KNEW it would come in handy

dim scroll
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so that it instantly display the FAQ

karmic vortex
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ive got all the log files

quick grove
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.t faq

dim scroll
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We all have them tho

quick grove
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Nvm

dim scroll
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lol

eternal talon
dim scroll
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Since they're in pinned messages

quick grove
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Thought that was a thing

eternal talon
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not the faq

quick grove
#

.t FAQ

eternal talon
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the "for dummies" doc

dim scroll
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Summary & FAQ*

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Oh that one

quick grove
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Fuck sakes

dim scroll
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I was about to mention this one

eternal talon
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@dim scroll yeah, that's why i asked if he was new first

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figured the brief summary would be more helpful than the faq in this specific case

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@karmic vortex there is also the timeline, faq he was mentioning, and the text/voice logs on the wiki btw if you want to read more

dim scroll
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"Rundown 4: The goal of r4 is mostly unknown" does that include extended ?

eternal talon
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that's from the wiki

dim scroll
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thonk

eternal talon
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if you have a more apt description, i will gladly add it 😉

dim scroll
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I didn't play pre-R4 but did schaeffer already try to talk to prisoners back then ?

harsh saffron
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damn wiki ScoutRage ^^

dim scroll
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If not R4's name can imply that

harsh saffron
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schaeffer came with r4 yeah

quick grove
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Whats with the Morris code that says hello

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Who's that

dim scroll
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Probably that dumbass schaeffer

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Well actually no

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that wouldn't make sense since that would just give away his position

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except if he cleaned everything

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Could be the ash creature 😳

eternal talon
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read the doc

quick grove
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The ash creature being established in R4 without us even knowing

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Interesting

eternal talon
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mostly is just stuff from the wiki

quick grove
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But unlikely

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I think it would be schaeffer trying to reach us or someone else just not the creature

karmic vortex
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read a good chunk of it, but why cant the warden be Rebbecca?

eternal talon
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@quick grove you wanna take this one? running a newbie through a1 rn

quick grove
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What

dim scroll
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kill the newbie

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problem solved

eternal talon
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like explain his question or whatever

eternal talon
quick grove
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Its 6:22am i've gotta go to school lol i can talk on text if he needs belp

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Help*

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Punkthulha coming in hot boys watch out

karmic vortex
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juat point me in the right area to look ill find it

subtle verge
karmic vortex
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we know the wrdn protocol was activated by someone or something right, so why cant that me Rebbeca?

dim scroll
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If anyone, it would be the guys who made BIOCOM

subtle verge
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Because WRDN was around a lot longer than Rebecca has, iirc. WRDN has been hidden in the BIOCOM code for presumably years.

dim scroll
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Except if she found the magical tool to inject a DI by herself

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which doesn't exist

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Too bad we don't know the warden's objective(s)

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It could give us a hint on why the WRDN code has been made

karmic vortex
dim scroll
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But can you craft a car ?

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or make a new motor by yourself & install it by yourself as well ?

quick grove
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Just what to be exact

dim scroll
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Rebecca didn't make BIOCOM but it's hard to believe she made the WRDN code as well

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& that she injected it

karmic vortex
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whats the point their? I didnt say she recreated wrdn

dim scroll
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no idea

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Everything's blurry about warden's behaviours, objectives & reasons to be made

karmic vortex
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ofc

subtle verge
karmic vortex
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just a theory, just trying to see if It can be disproved.

subtle verge
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The only proof I can offer to disprove the claim is that Dr. Stokes has no access to any KDS sectors, as she was hired in by SMC to be a part of Project Insight. She doesn't know or understand why KDS do the things that they do. The only thing she is able to activate through BIOCOM is the Hearsay system, and that's a universally available system to all classifications.

karmic vortex
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she was obviously passionate about her job and has close ties. perhaps she still wants to conduct research and activating the WRDN protocol and having "prisoners" carry out the work she can not.

subtle verge
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She even openly claims that she has no idea what KDS does behind the secured doors that they have.

karmic vortex
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yes, so could she use Wrdn to find out more about kds

subtle verge
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I would highly disagree, because BIOCOM is locked behind KDS doors since it's a KDS-based system.

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WRDN inherited the BIOCOM system.

karmic vortex
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sure

subtle verge
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And Stokes didn't really have any ties to SMC/KDS that we know of, other than her tie to Dr. Hammerstein.

karmic vortex
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I can agree there

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I guess we will find out later on, hopefully

subtle verge
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Absolutely we will.

eternal talon
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Can we just take a moment to talk about how fucking INSANE Kovac is for holding out against an endless horde of sleepers for so long?

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Imagine playing gtfo on an error alarm for 5 YEARS

subtle verge
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I highly doubt it was a constant battle like that. I'd more believe they came in waves and were able to swap who was fighting for x amount of time.

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But the thought is cool.

eternal talon
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That's insane, given how fucking lethal they are to us prisoners in game

subtle verge
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To be fair: I guarantee they weren't locked to 4-man squads. Lmao.

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Probably just became a shooting gallery for a good while.

eternal talon
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Till they ran out ammo, yeah

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God, how many rounds of ammo do you think was spent?

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How many KSOs were in garganta?

quick grove
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Dr stokes got nothing to do with the warden lol

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She's a scientist working at the complex

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Nothing more

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Someone else injected the warden into the biocom system's

quick grove
# karmic vortex sure

What happened behind those security doors will never be known to the people working there (back then and now because everyone is dead)

brittle halo
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This looks interesting can someone summarize me the lore in one paragraph

harsh saffron
brittle halo
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And the maps are the excavation sites

harsh saffron
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Yup

brittle halo
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Oh shit

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And why r we going in it

harsh saffron
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For a more complete picture you can check out the pinned comments btw ^^

harsh saffron
south lake
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If you're talking about the missing memories, they're not mind controlled, it's documented in some of the logs that extended periods of time in Hydrostasis causes extreme long-term memory degradation and psychological instability

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And when we're not in a Rundown, we're locked in Hydrostasis

harsh saffron
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Nah, I mean that the KSOs have to literally do exactly as they are told

south lake
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From what I've seen, the implication is that if you try to refuse the Warden, it'll trigger alarms and get you swarmed by Sleepers

dim scroll
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You don't refuse the warden lol

harsh saffron
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I mean we have logs of KSOs literally acting like robots and being treated like it too

dim scroll
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Hell you can't even refuse it

finite vine
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yea before the warden, KSO's were literally robots.

south lake
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Hmm.

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Oh, wait, I'm dumb. KSOs, not Prisoners. Facepalm

harsh saffron
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no worries ^^

south lake
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Yeah, I was thinking Prisoners for some reason since there's a few pre-drop logs prior to starting an Expedition where there was some argument about "We shouldn't do this", "We have no choice", etc.

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And I guess the Warden figured it wasn't worth the trouble to coerce them, so it triggered alarms and got them murdered by Sleepers

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Is the implication, at least

finite vine
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well I think they had no choice because they literally would of died if they didn't do it

south lake
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There could be a kind of killswitch with the cerebral interface, but I think if that's the case then the escaped prisoner (I forget his name) would've been killed, unless he found some way to disable it?

finite vine
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true

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we literally know nothing about the NRV probe or the Cortex Interface though. but its possible, yea

south lake
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It could be a situation where there is a kind of neural burnout kill switch, but initiating that results in whatever data the probe has collected being lost

brittle halo
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I always thought they were just volunteers or forced people that were sent down to retrieve technology that can save human kind

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Sort of like a "you go down but you can't go back up without this item" type of thing

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That's why they say they have no choice now because they're already going down

quick grove
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Dauda put him self in HSU woods i think was put in due to him being unstable hackett asked to be put in hsu and Bishop was forced

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By unstable i mean him killing a shit ton of military personnel and stuff

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Welp he's unstable i guess

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Only one word i can describe him by

brittle halo
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So are they mind controlled?

quick grove
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No

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They can be but aren't

brittle halo
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Yeah that makes sense it would be weird if they were

quick grove
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I think they can be idk

brittle halo
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Also who's the warden

quick grove
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Logs state that bishop was acting like a robot

quick grove
jolly yarrow
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Is there any place where all known lore is compiled? I couldn't find it on the wiki 😅

dim scroll
#

pinned messages

brittle halo
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Yeah

dim scroll
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You have some summaries

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along with a list of all the logs

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(though i don't know if it's been updated for R6)

brittle halo
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Is those pins theory or actual story

quick grove
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Theory

dim scroll
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the summary is story

quick grove
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And i think some are facts

brittle halo
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Oh nice so nobody knows the full story yet?

dim scroll
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As long as it doesn't say "imply" or "supposed" or anything similar, it's story

quick grove
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Only a small is facts

dim scroll
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Nah

brittle halo
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Damn that's dope

dim scroll
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Even the warden being a DI is heavily implied

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as a lot of things add up whenever you consider that

brittle halo
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Have devs stated that it's possible to figure it out yet or do we have to wait for future rundowns

dim scroll
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Yet there is nothing like a log saying " the warden AI is asking us for X"

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They stated nothing actually

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Oh wait

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I recall one of their tweets mentioning time leaps

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lol

quick grove
brittle halo
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I see

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Damn first time actually hearing lore it sounds really cool

quick grove
brittle halo
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I was just playing levels now they actually make sense ahah

dim scroll
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It's hard to get into the lore the "normal way"

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aka exploring all levels & retrieving all logs files by yourself

dim scroll
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nothing to do with logs

quick grove
brittle halo
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Well yeah I spent 3 hours doing D3 w experienced players n didn't find much

dim scroll
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i don't think there is a log on D3

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or maybe one

quick grove
dim scroll
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But it doesn't give as much info as other levels

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C2 for ex talks about a completely unknown creature

quick grove
harsh saffron
dim scroll
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Epic

harsh saffron
#

indeed

brittle halo
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Well technology is clearly cyberpunk ish so 2065-2070 would make sense

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But why exactly 2065?

quick grove
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I wouldn't say cyberpunk is

subtle verge
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The last known log is from 2057, a low-frequency radio sequence picked up by WRDN.

quick grove
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I think the world just stopped after the Nam V virus broke out

subtle verge
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With current known logs, we suspect that the game takes place between 2065-2070 going by decay, rust, and plant takeover in some areas.

quick grove
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Theres still people broadcasting?

dim scroll
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Isn't that the log about the guy saying fuck everyone ?

brittle halo
subtle verge
quick grove
dim scroll
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Is this up to date ?

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ah yes that thumbnail

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cough autopistol on R5 cough

quick grove
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Lol

subtle verge
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It has full control of the entire BIOCOM system. Technically, that would mean it has access to all branches of KDS around the world that runs the BIOCOM system.

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Unless its limited to the local area, of course.

quick grove
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Ah okay

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Thats crazy

subtle verge
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But in the context of that broadcast, it just means it also has access to the computers topside.

quick grove
#

Damn

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I didn't think there would be power topside

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Except for the facility

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But I'd assume that there would be because thats connected to the complex

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Cheers gotta bounch

finite vine
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I know that the BIOCOM inherited WRDN, but how do we know if that took place before 2057?