gtfo-lore

[finite vine]

log KLIW-432-B6Y.log

[amber field]

dang beat me to it

[analog frigate]

the issue is, is it a repeating transmission of sorts or something else

[eternal talon]

i read that

[analog frigate]

also it's shortwave

[analog frigate]

which means it could be anywhere on earth

[eternal talon]

what lines do i need to change, so all of you can agree the doc has nothing wrong in it?

[finite vine]

"[inaudible] will reach the peninsula in the three days [inaudible] staff do not have access to food or water and will be there exclusively to search for the origins of [inaudible]"

[solar nova]

Well, they say explicitly it's from Geneva.

[analog frigate]

oh yeah

missed that xd

[solar nova]

It's a lot more explicit than I remember, then.

[finite vine]

they say that [inaudible] will reach the peninsula in three days. so presumably the WHO sent people to the peninsula.

[solar nova]

So it does seem like they do know of ground zero.

[eternal talon]

this conversation is very sidetracked

[solar nova]

And have the resources to field an expedition to the spot.

[analog frigate]

they have an idea where ground zero is

[bronze trout]

Whether or not that group is still alive is up in the air

[finite vine]

they think its on the peninsula.

[analog frigate]

well we haven't gotten any signs of them

[bronze trout]

But considering they survived that long, it wouldn't surprise me.

[eternal talon]

sleepers could have eaten them if they made it down below

[bronze trout]

Do keep in mind how hard it is to get down into Garganta

[solar nova]

BIOCOM is not self-aware, nor is the WRDN.
Red Alpha should be changed to Destination Alpha (or Location Alpha).

[eternal talon]

i did change to destination alpha

[analog frigate]

they would need to use the main shaft most likely

[finite vine]

as prisoners? we are probably in our HSU's like 60 percent of the time.

[solar nova]

Sounds good, then.

[eternal talon]

what do i change warden line to?

what else. c'mon

[solar nova]

Pretty sure these were the main contentions raised?

[analog frigate]

not like seeing them, as in anyone actually having recently gone through the facility

[eternal talon]

"At some point before 2065, the BIOCOM network becomes self-aware and renames itself the "Warden"."

[analog frigate]

it doesn't become self aware

[eternal talon]

if you guys don't talk i can't fix it

you guys know way more about this stuff than me

[analog frigate]

someone or something inserted the WRDN protocol into it, hijacking it

[finite vine]

well as prisoners, we only have access to deep parts that are fucked up, its possible that some parts of Garganta are operational.

[solar nova]

We discussed it at length, though, no?

First of all, we have no precise date, we just know it's far in the future.

[analog frigate]

well we've been up to around 500 meters but you're right

[amber field]

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[solar nova]

And then, the main contention, BIOCOM never becomes "self-aware"

[amber field]

infiltration detected

[analog frigate]

they probably haven't made it down to 500 meters even

[amber field]

so likely not self aware thing

[analog frigate]

that's if they don't know about the sleepers

[eternal talon]

At some point before 2065, someone or something inserted the WRDN protocol into BIOCOM creating the Warden we know in the game"

[finite vine]

they might. they could even be giving WRDN objective stacks.

[solar nova]

Looks good to me.

[eternal talon]

no, we haven't. i've got like 40 paragraphs of text here.

[solar nova]

Most of it looked fine, though?

[analog frigate]

possibly but i doubt they know about the warden or biocom

[eternal talon]

did it? that's what i'm asking you guys

[bronze trout]

Also, just spitting pure conjecture, and this might've been brought up before, but does anyone think that the Warden is trying to make Garganta habitable again so that humanity might survive?

Kinda reminds me of the WAU from Soma if that's the case

[analog frigate]

if they knew about this weird deep mine with multiple companies including a pmc working there and that there was an ai somehow managing parts, they would probably check there first

[stone sedge]

no really clear sign one way or another

[analog frigate]

but i see the connection

[solar nova]

I think you're overthinking it. If an issue is noticed, an objection would be raised. If it's not noticed, or it's not an issue, then I wouldn't lose sleep over it.

[analog frigate]

they could've been responsible for WRDN

but then why

[stone sedge]

only real sign is the idea that the HSUs for people of ages/genders unlikely to be KSOs could be intended future population, but that's a stretch

[eternal talon]

well i spent 4 hours on this thing already, i just wanna cut any lose strings now rather than later if i can

[solar nova]

Not everything can be resolved immediately.

[eternal talon]

that, and i really do not want to spread misinformation

given this is supposed to be a "For dummies" documment

[finite vine]

Yea. I think the Warden are a group of scientists/ people using resources from Garganta (ground zero of NAM-V), like Legion and the various science equipment to save humanity and find a cure for NAM-V. That's what I think at least, with the info we have.

[eternal talon]

that is the primary thing i'm worried about here

[analog frigate]

some last surviving humans huddled up in switzerland, trying to find the origin point of the whole calamity, decide to make a totally new protocol to take over the AI that's governing over legion

[solar nova]

It's not that big of a deal tbh, it will get around and be caught if any exists later on regardless.

[analog frigate]

that would require them knowing a lot of company secrets that even higher ups at both KDS and SMC don't know

[solar nova]

It also doesn't super fit with the speculative timeline.

It seems like the WRDN might have existed as early as 2054, which is way sooner than the WHO seemingly had a lead on ground zero three years later.

[stone sedge]

I'm not sure of a source for this:
The surviving Kovac, Santonian, and Project Insight workers survive until 2058 when they perish due to the parasite-virus with KSOs holding the line until the very last man.

[finite vine]

yea thats a good point.

[eternal talon]

given the term "red alpha" has apparently become a problem recently, what should i call "the squad" the 4 player character group?

[finite vine]

yea thats not really supported by anything

[solar nova]

"The squad" is fine, the reason Red Alpha is an issue is because it's an actual in-lore missison to Mars. It has existing meaning within the universe, so using the same title for multiple things is just bad practice.

[eternal talon]

that bit is mostly from what daraxus said because he said we don't really know what happened to them other than they died out

[stone sedge]

"squad" isn't a t- yep

[finite vine]

we just need to find out when the WRDN got injected into BIOCOM

[stone sedge]

we had signs of something interfering with biocom, but not much detail

[analog frigate]

i see why you dislike red alpha being the name, but the confusion can be completely avoided since that mission to mars has no significance to lore except to solidify that kovac made the HSUs

[eternal talon]

i was gonna say starvation or something but i couldn't really think of anything that'd do it other than the sleeper infestation down there

[finite vine]

well if we don't know, say we don't know. I wouldn't write something untrue because it might spread mis-information.

[bronze trout]

Here's another question,

[eternal talon]

given how many there are

[solar nova]

That's obvious to lore buffs, and not really to anyone else. Also doesn't change that it's bad practice regardless.

[eternal talon]

just "we do not know what happened to the surviving kovac, santonian, and project insight workers after 2057"?

[finite vine]

well anything is better than giving people false info imho.

[eternal talon]

well i was asking.

that was a serious question, not me being sarcastic

[bronze trout]

In that D4 WHO message, it said there is no cure, vaccine, natural immunity or treatment as of yet. But also consider this. We come back every time and never succumb to this disease. Even when we're exposed to it. Could this be even further in the future than we thought? Perhaps humanity somehow barely managed to hold on and come up with something to counteract the virus and that's how we don't die from it. Again, pure conjecture

[stone sedge]

ageed with skyrope, less is more with mediated information, because inferences take on a life of their own

[solar nova]

Pretty much, you can even include "all personnel other than KSOs presumably are evacuated or killed some time after 2056."

[stone sedge]

especially with communities and cryptic plotstuff

[finite vine]

yea, that is a good observation/ theory. its possible. the leading theory for how prisoners dont die from NAM-V though is due to the HSU's, but there is not indication or proof of that.

[solar nova]

The 2056 log is a better end-point, as it involves Garganta's employees while the 2057 log is from people outside of the complex.

[eternal talon]

?

[bronze trout]

Also consider this: hydrostasis was around before the outbreak of the virus. If it didn't stop the virus then, I'm not sure the HSU's would be the things counteracting the virus

[finite vine]

thats a good point.

no one besides KDS has access to hydrostasis technology though

[solar nova]

They're not really used for medical purposes, though, and they're specifically a frowned upon technology due to several controversies involving it.

[bronze trout]

looks like ya fixed it as far as i can tell. then again, i wasn't paying too much attention to the criticism so my opinions practically worthless lol

[solar nova]

It's also very possible that hydrostasis is not a treatment, but a means of administering treatment.

[finite vine]

also a good point

[bronze trout]

But don't you think they would've tried? And if they did, if that was the case, I'm pretty sure they would tell the rest of the world. Heartless corporation or no

[solar nova]

We're already "pumped full of chemicals," some of which could be used to stabilize the KSOs the WRDN is maintaining.

[solar nova]

Doesn't make that much sense, you'd have to handle the logistics of manufacturing and distributing HSUs when it's just a way of doing what hospitals are already doing without hydrostasis.

[finite vine]

I mean it depends when they found out that HSU's could help fight NAM-V, if it does at all.

[eternal talon]

well it's not just nam-v. the parasites bring their own... "host" of problems. ba-dum-psh

[bronze trout]

What I'm saying is, it's possible they might've performed medical experiments on infected patients, and they might have wanted to see the effects of a HSU on an infected subject. I'm just saying, considering the shady experiments they might've been doing, it would not at all surprise me if they tried that

[bronze trout]

that one hurt

[solar nova]

Probably, but it doesn't seem like they found a broad "cure."

[bronze trout]

No, you're right. But they did say that there was no treatment whatsoever, and if they figured that hydrostasis could at least have some effect to treat the symptoms, they probably would've said something to the rest of the world.

[finite vine]

yea, Dauda might of been the one completing the medical experiments. Also, put yourself in the shoes of a defense contractor. Imagine finding a new deadly virus that no one knows about, the potential of weaponizing it or using it for Kovac's own personal advantage is high.

the experiments could of made the virus worse also

[eternal talon]

question

did the complex have a post office?

[solar nova]

Sure. I'm maybe missing what's at stake in this conversation, my main concern when this particular subject comes up is usually "why aren't the prisoners sick?"

[bronze trout]

They might have a mailbox uptop

[solar nova]

So, I'm usually trying to answer that quandary (and I consider hyrdostasis to essentially be a substitute for an ICU).

[bronze trout]

Also keep this in mind: even a corporation intending to weaponize and control the virus would probably do at least something when it blew up in their faces and started killing both them and the entire world, completely out of control

[eternal talon]

i'd just think it freezes you until it doesn't really matter, you know, they brought hampsters back from the dead after cryostasis by microwaving them

[finite vine]

cap

[eternal talon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tdiKTSdE9Y

[finite vine]

wow

[solar nova]

Only issue is that you would presumably come back at the same state of infection. So, if you had 2 days to live, you'd be resuscitated maybe 5 years later with 2 days to live.

[finite vine]

that sounds very cancerous and damaging. microwave

[bronze trout]

that is unethical at best lol

[eternal talon]

nah, it literally actually worked

like, worked worked

humans are just too big for that to work for us

[solar nova]

So, it's likely that HSUs can be used in analogous manner to ICUs so that you can be reset from "2 days to live" to "7-30 days to live."

[eternal talon]

one step closer to understanding HSUs. hamster microwaves. HUMAN MICROWAVES.

[bronze trout]

shit u rite

[quick grove]

Damn human sized microwaves lol

[eternal talon]

this is too funny a topic

i know all kinds of rediculous trivia

[quick grove]

I thought we get pumped with chemicals when in HSU

[eternal talon]

maybe, to freeze us faster

that's the biggest problem with cryostasis anyway

[quick grove]

Eh true

[eternal talon]

preventing crystals from forming in our blood

[bronze trout]

But I digress. The HSU's might have something to do with why the prisoners don't die from the virus, but I seriously think that there's something else that humanity might have discovered when they were on the brink of extinction that led to us being able to fight the virus.

Pure conjecture though

[finite vine]

yea its possible

[quick grove]

Well we wear masks so ye

[bronze trout]

The problem was that even hazmat suits weren't working

[eternal talon]

so yeah, you could literally explain HSUs in gtfo with the quote: "HUMAN SIZED MICROWAVES"

[bronze trout]

That's why the stuff leaks through, even with airtight gas masks

[quick grove]

That's for the parasite not virus

[eternal talon]

and that, is just TOO funny

[bronze trout]

Ok I must've missed that bit. Do we know where the parasite came from? And whats the difference cuz I thought it was just the virus

[finite vine]

well hsu's use amniotic fluid. like the fluid inside a womb. so its not really like a microwave.

because people inside HSU's are not frozen

[eternal talon]

boo

[quick grove]

Excuse me what the fuck

[finite vine]

lol sorry

human microwave sounds cooler though

[eternal talon]

HUMAN MICROWAVES > GIANT BABYCASES

[quick grove]

I mean im open to that idea but lmao

[solar nova]

Earliest evidence of NAM-V is April 2052. Earliest mention of the parasite is February 2053.

[quick grove]

I mean they technically are

[solar nova]

It seems as if the two are heavily associated, although not necessarily completely dependent on each other, and that they were both unearthed by digging deeper.

Discovering things down there.

[quick grove]

It's just that when you wake up it gets pumped out again

[finite vine]

microwave = radiation waves to heat stuff up. HSU = amniotic fluid.

[bronze trout]

So where was the parasite mentioned? In what log or logs?

[finite vine]

the waking up and sleeping part probably has something to do with the NRV probe.

[quick grove]

The warden does let us keep some memories if im correct

[eternal talon]

same log as them eating through hazmat suits

[bronze trout]

I mustve missed it

[solar nova]

"Our culture," it's an R6 log.

[eternal talon]

i really should mention the parasite in that doc somewhere

[solar nova]

Lore database is only updated recently.

[eternal talon]

it only really mentions nam-v

[finite vine]

well a side affect from the HSU's is memory loss, so it might unavoidable to lose memories.

[eternal talon]

well to be fair, we are a bit more loose than any of the warden's other squads

and we are out and about far more often

[quick grove]

But how does the characters remember eachother and keep their combat skills

[finite vine]

true, but that could be a number of things. we might not be getting drugged.

[eternal talon]

other than just y'know, "plot armor". we are the most MVP squad in the warden's arsenal

[quick grove]

Yes

[eternal talon]

so it wouldn't make sense if it'd make us weaker on purpose

[finite vine]

good point. we dont know how long each expedition is apart so idk. also it took like a year to get rid of Bishops memories if I recall correctly.

[quick grove]

Yep

[eternal talon]

realistically, if it wanted to, it could probably just let us live on the surface to minimize the negative effects of the hsu at all

just in some barracks or whatever

[bronze trout]

Can someone give me a specific log cuz i cant find it

[quick grove]

So maybe the warden done something that we wouldn't know of and i don't know alter the amount of dosages we get

[bronze trout]

I think im just dumb

[eternal talon]

hold on acker

[solar nova]

D-Lock Block Cipher
alias:int_server.1024_ciph.tier5.med_core/RSullivanB197.flagged

From: Dean Lockwood A074
To: Ronnie Sullivan B197
Date: Feb 13th 2053
Subject:    Our culture

Ronnie,

I have authorized the changes you requested, and three sectors have been allocated as triage centers for any employees showing signs of exposure. Isolation of the subjects is essential. With these resources now available to you, I expect more detailed analysis of the subjects in the future. We need to know what is causing the physical abnormalities. Is the spinal deformation permanent, and can the subjects continue to work?

You also need to address the negative culture that is developing out of this. I have heard the term "stoopers" used to describe the subjects. This cannot continue. It incites fear and opposition. Address your teams, Ronnie. This term is no longer acceptable in the Project Insight lexicon. You also need to stamp out use of the word “parasite” for any staff below tier 5.

To prevent any further dissent, I suggest you remove any personnel showing signs of insubordination. Your Kovac handler has been informed of the situation and is available to deal with any troublemakers.
You have my full support, as long as the work continues.

Dean Lockwood

[eternal talon]

that's not the log

there is another

[solar nova]

On what subject?

[bronze trout]

The parasite

[eternal talon]

eating through hazmat

ohhhh @analog frigate

[solar nova]

I can grab that too

but iirc it's not dated

[eternal talon]

daddy's got the lores

[solar nova]

D-Lock Block Cipher
alias:int_server.1024_ciph.tier5.med_core/DLockwoodA074.flagged

Dean,

As requested, I have compiled the analysis of the affected subjects.

The subject's physiological changes do seem to be permanent. The ossification of the fibrous cartilage in both the spine and menisci appears to start at
the brain stem and spreads rapidly, possibly due to the greater intercellular space offered. Attempts to slow the spread have so far been unsuccessful.

Affected subjects show signs of cognitive reduction within a few days, which
accompanies the bent or stooped posture. They are able to continue menial
work for several weeks, before succumbing to the pain and physical
disability.

Opiates and derivatives ease the pain of the subjects, and we have been
administering liberally as no other form of palliative care appears to work.

I have our entire cellular biology department working on this, but so far
little progress has been made. Even after the parasite is removed, the viral
load increases. We cannot stop the progress of the virus, and our only
defense is SCBA Level A suits when in NAM-V hotspots. Even with this level of protection, the parasites are finding ways in. 

Transition from initial diagnosis to cellular collapse takes approximately 5
weeks. We have yet to discover what happens thereafter. I will keep you
posted.

We need more narcotics. Our stocks are running low.

Ron Sullivan

[eternal talon]

yee

[solar nova]

This log appears to be an almost direct reply to the "Our culture" log, as well.

[eternal talon]

@solar nova should i mention this? what's the consensus on this?

[solar nova]

It's just background lore, seems to imply the Mayans were making murals of scout kills long before I was born.

[bronze trout]

Mambo Media Services news wire
Manchester Eye
Mar 18th, 2053

Growing Concern over NAM-V
by Duncan Keith

Saturday night at the Manchester Royal Infirmary. Usually, the emergency room sees a steady influx of patients. It’s busy; but no more than they can handle. the Infirmary is well staffed and stocked and has a reputation for dealing with patients quickly and efficiently.

But not tonight. Tonight over 250 people crowd the waiting rooms. As one patient is seen, treated, and released, 2 more take their place at the end of the line. There are no beds left, not enough personal protective equipment for the medical staff, and a barely contained sense of panic among the cast-down faces of those waiting in hope that they don’t have “the Stoops”. This is a hospital clinging on, desperately trying to weather the storm. The storm of the NAM-V virus.

Since the WHO officially labeled the NAM-V virus as a pandemic, the number of reported cases has spiked. In part that is due to a more concerted testing effort, but it is also a sign of just how quickly this virus is spreading. Unlike previous pandemics (Hook, COVID19 – 21, Respo-Z2), this one debilitates its victims. There is no stay-at-home solution. If you have NAM-V, you need medical support. The long-term effects of the virus are still unknown, but once you start to feel the tightening in your bones and the persistent hallucinations you will need medical supervision, or the end will be swift. Medical intervention is the only thing that can slow the decline. Even if the patient does manage to survive the initial onslaught of the virus, it will remain in their system and can strike again without warning. Once you are isolated with NAM-V, you stay isolated.

… story continues on page 7

Also consider that one.

[eternal talon]

of scout kills? wdym

[solar nova]

Just a joke.

[eternal talon]

keep in mind, parasite didn't make it out. only virus. so no sleepers

[solar nova]

They were dealing with sleepers, essentially, or at least the same parasite and virus that exists in the present of GTFO.

[eternal talon]

that's kinda fucky

how did it get through the ground to the surface

it took like 30 bloody bore-drills for santonian to get down there

how'd it just.. walk out?

[bronze trout]

Also keep in mind that is referred to the stoops when talking about the NAM V pandemic

[solar nova]

Earthquakes, which seems to be implied by other logs on the subject.

[eternal talon]

actually bloody in the case of jordy. poor poor jordy

[bronze trout]

Well it might've been a slow change. Someone left garganta carrying the infection. Didn't start showing symptoms til they were already out and gone

or just earthquakes

[eternal talon]

this is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay

before garganta

or are you not talking about the myans

[analog frigate]

why'd i get pinged

[eternal talon]

rayalot found it, daraxus

[analog frigate]

what?

[solar nova]

They were asking about a specific log.

[analog frigate]

ah aight

[eternal talon]

acker wanted the parasite logs

rayalot found it

[bronze trout]

I'm saying that as far as I can tell, and what the logs imply, the virus/parasite might just be the same thing

For a few reasons

[eternal talon]

no

no.

they are two seperate things.

[solar nova]

They're explicitly different acc. to the undated parasite log.

[eternal talon]

it is a symbiotic relationship,

but they are seperate.

[bronze trout]

Ahh ok, misunderstood

[solar nova]

Log mentions "removing the parasite but viral load increases"

[bronze trout]

So it looks like they are related?

[eternal talon]

ehh?

we don't know

[solar nova]

Yes, they seem highly associated.

[eternal talon]

associated, yes. related? eh?

one is a parasite one is a virus

[solar nova]

And there's some environmental storytelling to consider here w/ the "stooper" description and the egg-like cysts we see in sleeper's bodies when they're torn asunder.

[eternal talon]

both can kinda act alone as seen by the surface of earth

but they do far better together

[bronze trout]

I just got that hint considering it said there were physical changes when strictly talking about the virus

I thought that maybe the virus was just highly mutagenic(which it still probably is), and they were just calling it a parasite or something.

[eternal talon]

eh?

afik the parasite does most of the mutation work

since no evidence of anything but humans being dead on the surface..

[solar nova]

They're both extremely mysterious to us rn.

[eternal talon]

and it took a bit for the virus to be lethal to humans when they first uncovered it

soooooooo

nobody knows

[bronze trout]

Keep in mind, it DID say that as a result of the nam v virus, there were changes in bones and etc etc

[eternal talon]

most

[bronze trout]

But you're right, nobody knows

[eternal talon]

we don't know if the parasite can make sleepers by itself

or if it needs an virus infected host for the parasite to make a sleeper

nobody knows

[bronze trout]

But I guess my point still stands that the prisoners aren't killed by the virus, even though it eats through their gas masks and clearly does affect them

[eternal talon]

are you talking about fog?

that's not the virus

er, not nam-v

[bronze trout]

...then what is it? I'm pretty sure that has to do with NAM-V, considering there were logs in previous rundowns about infections occurring when ventilation failed

[eternal talon]

i don't wanna ping daraxus again... but...

[bronze trout]

Sorry daraxus :(

[solar nova]

Based on its behavior mechanically, it makes more sense as a literal poison than a virus or parasite.

[eternal talon]

@analog frigate

[analog frigate]

fog is separate

[solar nova]

But it's not necessarily unrelated to NAM-V or the parasite.

[solar nova]

Especially given its name.

[analog frigate]

here's the current theory on it

[bronze trout]

Well I suppose all will be revealed in the future.

[bronze trout]

Thanks for pointing me to it

[toxic blaze]

Can I suggest a name for the unknown place we teleport to?

Candun

[quick grove]

@eternal talon

[eternal talon]

Huh?

[quick grove]

Should we call red alpha Candun?

[eternal talon]

I have no idea, what's it a reference to?

[toxic blaze]

Can red in my language and Dun .... as in Dune

[eternal talon]

I just changed it to destination alpha because the sites are alpha one and two, and the name of the rundown is destination

That, and people for some reason suddenly didn't like the term red alpha anymore

No idea why

[quick grove]

Well destination alpha isn't the confermed one

And Candun sounds cool

[eternal talon]

We don't have a confirmed one

I wish we did

[quick grove]

Ill be using Candun to address red alpha lol

@toxic blaze nice name suggestion by the way

[toxic blaze]

Please use it as a place-holder though

[eternal talon]

I finished the pdf for now, I guess if you wanted to read it

[toxic blaze]

Not as an actual name

[toxic blaze]

Sure

[eternal talon]

^

[toxic blaze]

I'll convert it into a audiobook

[quick grove]

Oh yeah nothing really in this has a proper name except some items

[toxic blaze]

Well TTS audio book

[eternal talon]

I'll probably work on it more tommorow. Some of the logs aren't dated and I didn't include a couple things like details on the parasite and cretasium-77a

Or whatever it's spelt as

There are so many bloody logs

It took like an hour just to get through the timeline alone, and that's not including audio logs

I still gotta go back through all of them

[bronze trout]

I have another question

Probably a dumb question, but do we know whether or not Red Alpha is Mars?

[toxic blaze]

We aren't sure it's mars and most likely isn't

[tall anchor]

aaaAAAAH

[subtle verge]

It is 100% not Mars.

[tall anchor]

The place that we go to is very probably definetly not mars

[subtle verge]

It's not in our solar system.

[quick grove]

And it sure as fuck ain't future earth

[solar nova]

Red Alpha or Destination Alpha?

Destination Alpha is probably not Mars.

[quick grove]

Or as i call it now Candun

[tall anchor]

candun?

cancun but d-teir?

[quick grove]

Im referring to this lilliana

[tall anchor]

dang

i’m on board with Candun

sounds fun, maybe there’s a margarita bar somewhere there

[quick grove]

Oh hell yeah i wouldn't mind some

[worthy jewel]

I prefer to think of red alpha as colorado

[eternal talon]

Lore on the GTFO reddit is whack. So many people sending completely wrong and inconsistent information as fact.

This one dude I say yesterday.. posted that the game is set in 2054.. and that "the community has this date nailed down". And I got downvoted correcting that insane statement

https://www.reddit.com/r/GTFO/comments/sj2k5s/whats_the_date_during_gameplay/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

[toxic blaze]

What did you expect

It's reddit

[eternal talon]

i dunno

[lilac island]

R*ddit 🤢

[eternal talon]

anybody have the dimentions of the egg real quick?

also what percent of the egg was cretasium?

[eternal talon]

what log was that?

[harsh saffron]

gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/Rundown_005_Logs#WKRP-817-CIN.LOG

this one?

[eternal talon]

nvm found it

what is nadir?

i keep seeing it mentioned in these logs but have no idea what it is

[harsh saffron]

its a geometry term

give me a sec I might be able to explain

[eternal talon]

"Where did the meteor come from? What is it? The meteor, hereby dubbed "The Egg" in this doccument, is a large egg shaped mass initially believe to be mostly comprised of Iridium by SMC, but later found to be nearly 38.6% Cretasium.
The egg is discovered in a sector DeepScan and is found to have a width of approximately 1,247 +/- 372 meters, and is approximately 2,215 +/- 372 meters from apex to nadir. The meteor is believed to have originated from "Destination Alpha"
and reached Earth by unknown means."

[harsh saffron]

too lazy to explain ^^
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nadir

[eternal talon]

because i was researching this section

working more on the doc today

rn just an "additional info" section

[eternal talon]

how is this "additional info" section?

[harsh saffron]

Looks good

[toxic blaze]

@eternal talon Got a file of your lore dump?

[eternal talon]

just that .txt

[toxic blaze]

I see thanks

[eternal talon]

<@&408548765599793173>

[sacred moon]

very different AI. Also, the WAU never tried to make stuff habitable again - not really. So I'd say no.

[eternal talon]

the wau's goal was to keep humans alive at any cost

that's kinda like a central plot point in soma

how do i spoilers tag? do you mind if i spoil soma?

|| the last human on earth is being kept alive by the wau and literally begs you to kill her ||

[sacred moon]

Regarding the WAU in SOMA:
||You are correct in saying it wanted to keep the humans alive, but it's definition of "alive" was dubious at best.||
||Every single of the WAU's creations was an attempt to keep humans alive. I wouldn't call Akers and his Proxies "making sure humans stay alive", even if it's a very similar - albeit worse - variation of the Ark the humans made. There's also multiple humans kept "alive" by the WAU, but none of them of their own volition - the WAU focused on keeping the final humans it had safe, whether detrimental to those humans or not.||
I was more trying to say that Acker's original sentence implied that the WAU tried to make Pathos-II habitable again, which it... didn't. Not at all. The comparison of Warden (GTFO) and WardenUnit (SOMA) was what I meant is wrong.

[eternal talon]

yeah i agree with you

i wasn't disagreeing

[tall anchor]

i live in colorado, there's no way that's true

and yeah, gtfo reddit is definetly lacking

[bronze trout]

Well I might've misused the term habitable, but I still think it's a possibility that the Warden and the WAU might be similar in intent.

[sacred moon]

It wouldn't be using humans as resources the way it is, if they were.

[bronze trout]

And also might be similar in the sense that ||the AI's directive crossed moral boundaries and became misguided in trying to keep humanity alive||

I suppose thats a good point

[sacred moon]

That part is definitely possible

the AI - or DI, in the Warden's case - crossing moral boundaries and becoming misguided is a pretty likely happenstance, tbh

but we don't really have enough information on that yet

[bronze trout]

Thats what I'm thinking

True, true

Only time will tell

[bronze trout]

I must have missed something, I thought that first station you warp to in B1 was called Red Alpha Two. Only reason I associated them is cuz of the European Space Agency thing, with their Mars mission being titled Red Alpha

But if the place I was referring to is actually called Destination Alpha then I see where I got that mixed up

[eternal talon]

@solar nova see? even more confusion

[tall anchor]

Alpha 1 and Alpha 2 are locations where we warp to

[eternal talon]

@tall anchor

[tall anchor]

the community called the place red alpha, despite it having no connection to the ESA/NASA mission of the same name

[eternal talon]

i added a new section

[eternal talon]

apparently to rayalot72, not anymore for some reason

[tall anchor]

huh? im confused

[eternal talon]

apparently rayalot says we can't use the term red alpha for some reason

and said to use destination alpha instead

it wasn't causing issues before

but i guess now we suddenly have to change it

and i wasn't about to go and argue with him again about it

[sacred moon]

nah, it always caused confusion

[tall anchor]

Destination alpha makes it more confusing though,

[sacred moon]

Planet Alpha works fine

Destination Alpha is a bit... wordy and a little leap in logic tbh

[eternal talon]

the name of the rundown is destination

that's literally the reason why

[sacred moon]

Planet Alpha works for now, even if we don't have the exact specification

[hot burrow]

lets call it the Big red

[sacred moon]

yea but no one looks at that actually

and is it even

[eternal talon]

i'm not going to keep changing it every 10 seconds

[sacred moon]

lowkey a good idea

[tall anchor]

😩 this is annoying

[sacred moon]

we're not telling you to

[sacred moon]

welcome to lore

[eternal talon]

b1 is alpha two. d1 is alpha one. rayalot doesn't want people to call the location red alpha

[tall anchor]

@eternal talon You should add something after the egg bit, saying " ... and reached Earth by unknown means, however could be related to the meteor that killed off the dinosaurs 66 Million years ago."

[eternal talon]

it is already stated that that is the meteor up above

Our story starts in Chicxulub crater. The site of the meteor that wiped out the dinosaurs 65 million years ago.

the egg IS the meteor

your thinking of the inner and that stuff

for some reason it has 3 names. the egg, the fossil, and the meteor

i don't understand how this

"Where did the meteor come from? What is it? The meteor, hereby dubbed "The Egg" in this doccument, is a large egg shaped mass initially believe to be mostly comprised of Iridium by SMC, but later found to be nearly 38.6% Cretasium.
The egg is discovered in a sector DeepScan and is found to have a width of approximately 1,247 +/- 372 meters, and is approximately 2,215 +/- 372 meters from apex to nadir. The meteor is believed to have originated from "Destination Alpha"
and reached Earth by unknown means."

is confusing

[finite vine]

yea it is. what is even more confusing is what were the employees drilling into in that Schaeffer log (the one on October 13th, 2053). how deep were they? Were they drilling into the meteor, or something inside of it? it is really confusing.

[eternal talon]

we don't know

so how am i supposed to say

also that is mentioned elsewhere

[tall anchor]

sorry, I missed that

[sacred moon]

@brazen willow did you post that geoanalysis here?

I'd be very interested in seeing that

[brazen willow]

nope. The thing is the only left over thing of it is a meme style power point (for the dear prof scaler)
I had like 2-3 pages in word all in german

[sacred moon]

aww

Ich würd die ja aber auch lesen xD
TS: I'd read those too tho xD

[brazen willow]

general info,
The alpha two area somewhat resembles yucatan mexico (around 30-40 million years ago). (which is where the coordiantes of the gtfo game awards trailer are)
most likely just a big coincidence (especially since there are some counter points)

[sacred moon]

it's also kinda where the complex is

[brazen willow]

ye

[sacred moon]

Okay, theory time

[eternal talon]

NO TTT

[brazen willow]

TTT?

[eternal talon]

also the coords are for where Garganta is.

@quick grove

[sacred moon]

IF:
The meteor was guided and deliberately send to earth
then:
The similar conditions might have been the reason, albeit the meteor arrived long before those conditions were the case. Considering sleepers are a thing now however and it's safe to assume they came with/from the meteor, whoever arrived might have factored the "time difference" here in, and just waited for 36M years until the conditions are met.
Also, it's not clear whether or not the "senders" of the meteor could accurately determine when it'd arrive.

[eternal talon]

ttt. it's a meme in this channel, basically "time travel theory"

[sacred moon]

yea

no time travel, no thanks

[eternal talon]

about how it's ridiculous

[brazen willow]

xD my theory (which i find funny but am not backing specifically, cuz why would the devs care about what kind of soil and rock types they put in lol)
is dimension travel. but those dimensions have different time frames

[sacred moon]

it's one of the theories

[eternal talon]

are you familiar with the lore d4rkeva?

[sacred moon]

we'll see what the lore tells us in the future

[brazen willow]

only a bit. which is why i wont ever say "it is like that"

[eternal talon]

@brazen willow

[sacred moon]

this person's been creating one hell of a document recently

[brazen willow]

btw the 30-40 million years ago is a super rough estimation (just means its not much younger than that if it would be that area. but could be a bit older even)

[sacred moon]

yee

[eternal talon]

pdf i've been working on. there is also a FAQ and TIMELINE in the pins of this channel

wiki also has all the old voice and text logs from past rundowns

[brazen willow]

im not gonna read it
RIGHT NOW (cuz i still have my last exam coming up in a week)

and i would just go to deep

[sacred moon]

good luck with your exams

[eternal talon]

hbu estlo?

[sacred moon]

why'd you have to remind me, it's 2.5 weeks for me sad

[sacred moon]

not really gonna read anything large atm either
I'm vibin and reading the chats, sure, but I don't have the focus to read smth cohesive rn, and chats typically stay beautifully not-cohesive

[eternal talon]

<@&408548765599793173> wtf swastika @rare kestrel

[shut mountain]

bruv

[sacred moon]

welcome to people do dumb things

[rare kestrel]

(((

[sacred moon]

yeet and that's that

[eternal talon]

I've seen wierd shit, but that's insanity

<@&408548765599793173> ban this fool

[sacred moon]

yea you might want to just kick/ban this one, mods

[eternal talon]

HAMMER NOW

HAAAAAAMMMMEEEERRRR TIIIIMMMEEEE

[vestal delta]

🤨

[eternal talon]

I've seen wierd shit like scams in this sever, but NEVER anything like that

[vestal delta]

i dont remember mc hammer being part of the gtfo lore

[sacred moon]

calm down Lostty~

neither is a sw*astika or patrick ||in stockings||

and that's not in the lore either, dear

this is getting incredibly amusing tbh

[vestal delta]

sadly fun is banned here

[shut mountain]

Move along lads

[vestal delta]

so back to business boys

talk about logs or something idk

[sacred moon]

show's over, hope you enjoyed
alrighty, back to lore discussion. Aka channel-hydrostasis until someone asks a question or has a new theory

[vestal delta]

why are sleepers

[eternal talon]

Human microwaves

[sacred moon]

we talked about this, it's not microwaves

[sacred moon]

Good question. I wonder why the parasite developed, and what it's overarching goals are? If the parasite doesn't have much intelligence, is it's goal literally just multiplying?

just a natural parasite?

[eternal talon]

We don't know where it came from other than 'destination alpha'

Most parasites' goals are just to multiply. They aren't exactly intelligent creatures

[vestal delta]

sleepers came from alpha?

[eternal talon]

They are smalls

[eternal talon]

Depends. Yes but actually no

Nam v and the parasite did

And presumably the first sleepers that attacked the Miners

[sacred moon]

possibly

we're not 100% certain that the meteorite came from there, but it's a pretty likely theory

[eternal talon]

But not sleepers as a whole

[sacred moon]

and we know that the first sleepers + Nam-V came from what is pretty much the meteor

[eternal talon]

We do know. The crystals in the wmp are the same

Are native to destination alpha

[sacred moon]

doesn't imply the sleepers originated there

but it's very likely, yes.

[raven moss]

Okay, so the first sleepers are generally agreed to be not human, so it’s clear that it is capable of mutating enough to infect humans as well, what do we think the odds of it being able to mutate enough to infect animals are? There were almost certainly at least mice in the facility.

Do they require the host to be sentient in some way?

[eternal talon]

No evidence life on the surface other than humans are dead

[finite vine]

actually the meteor most likely didn't come from planet alpha. planet alpha was the meteors destination, not its origin.

[eternal talon]

And NAM-V was originally not bad for the humans until it adapted to them

[eternal talon]

Um, your completely backwards

[raven moss]

I don’t believe we have evidence that the parasite ever made it to the surface either, so no sleepers. Im mainly curious about any animals that would have been in the facility, for example insects, mice, moles, etc.

[finite vine]

no, think about it. if the matter wave projector and the data cubes have a destination set for planet alpha, then why would it come from planet alpha?

[eternal talon]

Because why wouldn't they if they were developed on red alpha?

[finite vine]

why wouldn't they what?

[eternal talon]

Would you run your teleporter tests on the moosn?

[sacred moon]

teleport home?

[finite vine]

im not getting what ur saying

[sacred moon]

your arguement isn't quite solid either

[eternal talon]

it is overwhelming they came from red alpha

Er, destination alpha

It makes zero sense for it to not to since stuff in the meteorite is ALREADY in the planet

[sacred moon]

neither is the argument that it came from Pα
Yea, sure, it's pretty likely and most likely correct, but it's not necessarily 100% the answer

[eternal talon]

Why would it have stuff from the destination if It never made it there?

It is OUR destination

[sacred moon]

It might have come from there, or had a connection there before.

[finite vine]

its possible that the matter wave projector and the data cubes were made on planet alpha, but im saying that whatever the meteor was, it was using the matter wave projector to travel TO planet alpha from somewhere, because the navigation data inside of the data cubes led to planet alpha.

[eternal talon]

That is why the rundown is called that

[sacred moon]

It might not originate there, however.

[sacred moon]

not really.

Don't read too much into the rundown name.

[eternal talon]

Literally yes.

[finite vine]

no, there is a chance that it is ITS destination (who ever was using the MVP's destination).

[sacred moon]

the thing that annoys me the most is that you are talking in matter-of-fact-100%, which is not correct. It's maybe 99% or more, but not 100% confirmed.

[sacred moon]

potentially, but not necessarily either.

[finite vine]

yea, your right. I should probably not say its 100% right, because its not. we need proof. im just saying that it is highly possible, and frankly, makes more sense for planet alpha to be the destination of the meteor, not the origin

[sacred moon]

the meteor could very well have been meant to go to Pα, but ended up on earth. It could very well have come from Pα.
Whether or not it's a different dimension is also yet unclear - but that'd open a whole other can of worms, since the meteor could have come from either dimension and been meant for either dimension. If it is dimensions.

we'll have to see as lore reveals itself either in the ext or afterwards.

[eternal talon]

Wtf is pax

[sacred moon]

α --> alpha

I literally shortened Planet alpha to Pα for ease of typing bc I'm lazy

[finite vine]

if the MVP was used as a propulsion device, and the data cubes were used to store navigation data, then it honestly makes more sense for Planet Alpha to be the destination of the meteor, not the origin. Unless there are more data cubes that we have not found yet...

[eternal talon]

So, you wouldn't store the location data for your home? Regardless of where you are going?

Also there are

D4 has us gather 3 more, wither tampered or not, still shows more cubes

[finite vine]

Im ignoring d4

[eternal talon]

Well you can't ignore d4

[finite vine]

well you should, because it makes no sense. when we picked up the data cubes in c1, it sent us to planet alpha, because of the coded navigation data within them. it makes sense because that is the intended destination.

when you pick up the data cubes in d4, you are literally sent to a separate dimension, located on earth. we just don't really have enough info to make any conclusions about those data cubes.

[eternal talon]

Doesn't matter. Still shows there are more

[finite vine]

true

[eternal talon]

Regardless of the levels contents

So your theory doesn't work

[finite vine]

no, its still possible

alright. there are four slots for data cubes in the matter wave projector. we pick up 3 in c1, all of which have coded data for planet alpha. we don't really know where the last one is, I guess we could say that it is in d4, except has been tampered with, so the nav data is inconsistent.

[finite vine]

im not saying that the origin of the meteor is for sure NOT planet alpha, all im saying is that it is possible for the destination to be planet alpha, not the origin.

[sacred moon]

we probably pick up 3 in c1 bc we can triangulate stuff with 3 positions

as for D4, haven't played it myself yet so I can't give a conclusive opinion on it

[eternal talon]

Well if that becomes the case, we will change it

[finite vine]

change what?

oh like in writing

[sacred moon]

the document.

yea

[eternal talon]

Yeah

The pdf, the faq, timeline, esc

[finite vine]

well we don't know if the meteor came from planet alpha anyway honestly

[eternal talon]

You'd have to talk to daraxus on that one

[sacred moon]

I'm fairly certain daraxus'd also say we aren't fully certain but it's likely

we'll see when we get more lore, really

[finite vine]

the meteor has similarities from planet alpha of course, so it is not unreasonable to assume that it came from planet alpha. again, im just saying that my theory might be possible.

[eternal talon]

That's also assuming the ancient Allen theory is true.

Well, wtf is the excuse for the artifacts, data cubes, and wmp if it is not?

[finite vine]

yea honestly its probably aliens

there are even more artifacts besides the data cubes and the MVP.

also stokes suggested that "they" might of used the MWP as a propulsion device

[eternal talon]

The primary point of that though is they were fleeing red alpha

[finite vine]

what is the evidence of that?

I mean I guess its possible

[eternal talon]

I doubt they would keep only the coords, unless it was for if they were planning on going back once the virus and parasite starved

[finite vine]

well they probably had the coords, they were just not programed into the data cubes

what if they throw a curve ball on us with the lore and the aliens (if there are aliens) are actually ancient humans.

[eternal talon]

No time travel

[finite vine]

well I was not implying time travel

actually yea idk how that would work without time travel lol

[eternal talon]

time travel impossible

honestly, it coming from red alpha is the most clear cut answer

and unless something in the lore changes,

that's what i'm going to and the majority are going to go with as established.

i mean it's already standard anyway

the idea that it didn't come from red alpha came completely out of left field

[finite vine]

not really. just because its destination at the time was planet alpha, does not mean that it couldn't of originated from planet alpha. for example, lets say a spacecraft was built in planet alpha, along with the MWP and the data cubes. it travels to a planet far away. then, it programs the nav data for planet alpha into the data cubes to go back. on its way back to planet alpha, it crashes in to earth.

[finite vine]

but yeah honestly no need to change anything its just a thought

[eternal talon]

doing a run of d4, wanna join?

[finite vine]

I would but im playing hunt showdown with some friends rn

[eternal talon]

ah

[solar nova]

It is called "Alpha Two" and "Alpha One," Red Alpha is only ever mentioned in logs about the Mars mission.

[solar nova]

Not really a leap in logic, "destination" implies nothing besides "the MWP goes somewhere," it's extremely ambiguous on purpose. I don't really give a flying fuck about the exact name as long as it's not "Red Alpha," though.

[subtle verge]

Ignore D4 lore-wise (outside of the logs available). That's a bad rabbit hole that was confirmed by D0c, but he deleted the original confirmation because he was tired of it pinging him every time we'd quote it.

He stated that it was a fun project to test out the tech behind using the teleportation mechanic and to see what it's limits were/are. The data cubes themselves (in that expedition) are not lore relevant.

[tall anchor]

I dunno, I feel like my crack theory about how the black spikey rocks attract each other somehow was kinda lore based

like, how else is the MWP gunna know where to teleport you to.

Like, Caladun/Red Alpha/The Destination/Metal Warfare Destiny 2: Revenge of the Sith is clearly a hotspot of these crystals, which if they had some sort of connection with each other, would make sense. Because if you've got the technology to warp, you then have to know where you're warping to.

What better way than if the crystals had connection to each other

[finite vine]

its possible, but we don't really know if there are other black crystals anywhere else on the planet.

[tall anchor]

(something something not enough power to take us to red alpha, therefore it leads us to the next data block)

[finite vine]

well if it leads us to the next data block, then that means the data blocks hold navigation data and tell the MWP where to transport things to

[tall anchor]

exactly; which then means that the data blocks are actually data blocks (crazy right) and hammerstein is a dumbass

also it means that they're quantumly entangled

boom

i've just confirmed 2 theories with one shitpost

[finite vine]

yea. also stokes said that they hold navigation data

[finite vine]

how so?

[tall anchor]

because they wouldn't be able to tell where the next data block is without something telling them

[finite vine]

who is they and them

[tall anchor]

The data blocks have no visible way of sharing data with other data blocks

they don't have a 4 tonne detector over their heads, so how else would the data blocks be able to send you to a specific place in the complex where the next data block is

[finite vine]

why would they need to share data together?

[tall anchor]

because how else do you get teleported from one data block to the next data block in d4

[finite vine]

oh well d4 should probably be ignored b/c one of the devs said so

D0c said that it was a rabbit hole that was not relevant to the lore

[tall anchor]

i don't care what d0c said

i've connected the dots

my crack theory is basically 'but what if it was canon'

because this would make the MWP a quantum tunneling device (read: wormhole) and it wouldn't conflict with the rest of the lore

[finite vine]

well just because the data blocks are quantumly entangled, does not necessarily mean that the MWP is a wormhole machine

also I don't really know any other explanation for how the MWP transports people besides wormholes.

does quantum tunneling make the same effect as a wormhole? I dont rlly know what quantum tunneling is

[tall anchor]

basically yeah

ask @subtle verge, he seems to know more about that than i do

[finite vine]

quantum physics is so wack

so glad im not gonna be a physics major

[tall anchor]

LMAO MOOD

[subtle verge]

I barely understand the concept of quantum entanglement, tbh.

I barely understand physics, let's leave it at that.

I can barely speak English. I just fake it 'til I make it.

Or die on the hill I'm on trying.

[finite vine]

really? you write it really well

[subtle verge]

That was more sarcasm. It's my one and only language.

[finite vine]

oh lol my bad

[subtle verge]

The only thing I'm good at is cooking. Lmfao.

... I wonder what John Carpenter-like Subterranean Monster tastes like.

[tall anchor]

I mean, I get how orbital mechanics work

[finite vine]

cool

I understand physics quite well, b/c im gonna study aerospace

don't think I have to learn quantum mechanics, though.

thankfully

[tall anchor]

yeah, quantum mechanics are weird as hell and I don't want to know tbh

I wanna be nice and happy with my biology

(bc fuck chem)

[finite vine]

facts

[subtle verge]

Some of ya'll in here make me wish I went to college in my late teens/early 20s.

I'm just over here like: "haha chicken make good"

[quick grove]

Mmm worm holes sounds better i guess

Just not TTT

[trim latch]

Hey @devout geyser I got a question
https://www.notion.so/ab68b94496bd4b27bec291de65ebd510?v=4330fedca48c4676b5fee1edafa15638&p=9838b236770a4e7996ca563e4927b5fd
On the C1: Navigation Log 4, she mention the man named Teros that took Bishop away, however he's not listed in the Personnel list, is that intended ?

[granite lily]

so what is Nam Vee?

does it have to do with us?

did the world end?

are we the only survivors of the human race?

[placid beacon]

@granite lily Nam V wiped out the human race. It is different to the sleeper parasite as we know it.
The world is most likely fucked to all hell. We know little of what exists up there.
Approximately 25k humans live. 2000 of those humans are prisoners, like us.

[granite lily]

do we know where those humans are?

[placid beacon]

Logs in A1 detail initial contactt and measures against the virus.

[granite lily]

does humanity have any shot?

what does the Warden want us to do?

are we trying to find a cure?

[placid beacon]

We do not know. We know that a small number of peeps, like Schauffer, lives in the complex, aka, Gargantua, deep underground.

1. I do not know.
2. We do not know. We don't know it's endgame.
3. We do not know. We know that this rundown has us isolate and extract the pathogen genome (iirc) of something.

(D1)

[granite lily]

alright

well thank you for the lore!

[placid beacon]

np. Peeps like Draxus and Punkthulhu have got lots and lots of info on stuff if you wanna know more

[granite lily]

alright

so there are 23,000 free humans, 2000 slave prisoners, a bunch of zombies and an entire planet of corpses from Nam Vee?

[placid beacon]

The 23k is an estimate based on real world projections. Otherwise, yea I think

[granite lily]

ah alright. Fairly good chance humanity has bounced back a bit since the last logs, so probably more like 30,000.

the 2057 log was at least 10 years ago right?

[quick grove]

Those 30k is all KDS i think

I might be wrong

Nvm

The whole earth in this game is now like a prison that will make man kind suffer i guess

[toxic blaze]

I've got a theory

But need some confirmations

The Nam-V came from the underground plant life right?

Or did it come from the meteor?

As for the MWP, wouldn't it be much more probable that it has been developed well enough to the point it can be used consistently? And we're only seeing the development of it?

Also why was there even an outpost in Alpha when they lost contact on their first test? They couldn't have brought all of that equipment so easily in a one off test

The lady from the voice logs in c1 says she's test the mwp with multiple objects to see that parameters it works at

With all we have gathered... I think the warden is building something but the parts are so scattered and random that it doesn't make sense to us

Kinda thinking too much about this honest from a writing standpoint

Usually with stories with multi-view of the entire timeline

Things will not makes sense at all since most of the information isn't been seen nor available cause we're only getting some really tiny pieces

Then again I might just the caffeine talking here and just disregard what I said

@eternal talon thanks for making that lore dump

It was nice to listen to while working

[harsh saffron]

They mention that they sent equipment to the other side before they actually went there themselves, but I agree that Alpha One in D1 seems way too large for that.

[south lake]

Could be trying to find a way to control the sleeper parasite's blatant mutagenic properties in a (possibly folly and almost certainly foolish) attempt at altering the human body just enough to gain immunity to NAM-V, or at least a resistance to it?

Just a wild guess

They're likely so out of options if there's only 25k people left that I wouldn't be surprised if they went "screw it, let's give it a go"

[halcyon garden]

I have a question about the parasite

[south lake]

Either that or they're looking to find some kind of weakness the parasite has so they can clear out the lower levels and make room for a higher population, or something

[solar nova]

Piros.

Andre Piros.

Which makes sense given that Piros holds a high position at KDS.

Wiki transcribed it wrong.

[harsh saffron]

Oh yeah Piros makes more sense

Wasn't quite sure what she said ^^

[solar nova]

Fair.

[harsh saffron]

ok yeah, I can hear Piros now, gonna fix that real quick

[solar nova]

Duck, myself, and Lilliana are probably better targets for lore questions rn, I believe Chase is pretty busy these days. I doubt it'd bother him, but he'll probably be a while on replies.

[trim latch]

I see, thanks !

I asked chase because it was written "By ChaseTug" xD

[solar nova]

ah

Makes sense.

[solar nova]

Terminal commands should be up to date.

Has anyone tried to document the lab terminals yet?

Also, does datacenter have any terminals that aren't the lockdown report?

[quick grove]

I've got no clue

Props check youtube if it has been done

[solar nova]

I kind of wonder if these are randomly generated.

[harsh saffron]

Pretty sure these are random, same with the lab screens, but I honestly didnt bother to look at more than like 40

but I think scaler looked into the lab screens in one of his lore videos

[solar nova]

IB-1953
IB-4834
IB-8652
IB-50439
IB-65310
IB-71739
IB-74893
IB-76567

IR-1020
IR-11286
IR-12357
IR-14556
IR-11835
IR-37256
IR-55480
IR-90660

Seems random

So maybe it would be better to document the data entries themselves.

[dense saffron]

they are randomly generated from some parameters

they've got a template that parts of gets replaced with

similar to how the lockdown procedures worked

with the middle part of the text being replaced with a random section of the writeup

[solar nova]

Interesting, I thought those were hand-picked.

[quick grove]

Its looks something what the warden would want to look into

Maybe its its doing on the terminal

[dense saffron]

no point in spending time hand-picking sections when you can just set a range on how much text can fit into an area and tell the computer to figure it out

[solar nova]

Okay, so there's three terminal messages: IR, IB, and no connection.

IR seem to be objects or materials while IB seem to be biological in nature.

[quick grove]

Could be the warden looking for something

But is non lore related

Or schaeffer trying to look for stuff

Who knows

But as far as i know those terminals are non lore related

[quick grove]

For example this might be the warden or schaeffer trying to access something but couldn't

[solar nova]

Seems lore related to me, tells us what Insight was doing.

[quick grove]

I wouldn't know

[solar nova]

I have transcribed the rough template of the research consoles to the lore database.

[quick grove]

Nice

[pseudo iris]

Is there any extended information on the "talking" Sleeper. Anything that might allude to it's origin would be useful and what Schaefer has left us doesn't give much beyond a cryptic description and what it actually sounds like.

[eternal talon]

nope.

just the two audio logs.

that's it.

[pseudo iris]

Do you think it is related to the creatures from the other world?

[eternal talon]

do 'I'?

well,

not really. but it depends

the creatures from destination alpha are likely just infected fauna native to that world

as for schaeffer's creature, it could either be some unseen form of sleeper,

or some ancient infected creature that came with the meteor, since we know sleepers started attacked the miners early on

but i mean, we have no factual idea on what it is

[pseudo iris]

We will have to wait until we see it..

[eternal talon]

IF we see it

in that log schaeffer describes planning on killing it

[pseudo iris]

Indeed, but if it survived an onslaught of Strikers; what chance does he have.

[eternal talon]

and since we have no idea when schaeffer left the logs,

it could already be dead

[eternal talon]

he was a prisoner like us, in a team of 4. his team was wiped out, but he survived.

so i'd like to think he'd have a chance

[pseudo iris]

Knowing Schaeffer is watching us from the depths, his Logs must be recent.

[pseudo iris]

He has survived this long on his own.

[eternal talon]

yes

we don't know HOW long exactly,

but i'd personally guess a few years, given he encountered the team sometime around r3 and by that time was already alone
*for a while

[pseudo iris]

Hopefully he can be found soon. His information may be useful. I'd like to now how he's been getting around so easily by himself.

Maybe BIOCOM has given him full access of the facility?

[eternal talon]

he is planning a full scale resistance to the warden

so definitely not that.

he broke free of WRDN/BIOCOM

[pseudo iris]

What if he is the Warden?

[eternal talon]

the HSUs and the Warden keep the prisoners basically as slaves, using mind wiping and erasing memories

[eternal talon]

he is not. warden is an AI.

[pseudo iris]

We know that for sure?

[eternal talon]

yes.

it is technically speaking, a "DI": decision intelligence

it took over the BIOCOM network sometime before 2060

we are the warden's most elite squad, basically it's special forces.

[pseudo iris]

I hadn't read through that Log properly. Seems I have missed a few things.

[eternal talon]

i sent you a pdf

covers the basis of the lore

i'm not sure what log mentions warden taking over

i'll have to go find it on the wiki

[pseudo iris]

Indeed, I have gone through all the Logs I could find. Audio too, even the ones yet to be transcribed

I know of the Warden taking over but is the Warden running on a contingency or still under command of another entity?

[eternal talon]

that's not necessarily how biocom works

it just basically receives details and information that helps it lead the KSOs under it's command

it does most of the thinking itself if i'm not wrong

[pseudo iris]

Most of

[eternal talon]

@trim latch what's with the "ITS"?

[pseudo iris]

If it is receiving information then we can assume it's being commanded from an external source

[eternal talon]

punk is typing. they could probably explain in more detail than me

[trim latch]

your typos

[eternal talon]

you know 99.98% of the humanity is dead, right?

especially near the complex. not to say your wrong, but it's incredibly unlikely

[pseudo iris]

Yes

[eternal talon]

aha!

BIOCOM:online
retrieving>>>
Infiltration attempt detected
Isolating protocols
BIOCOM:exec.seek_and_destroy.module
error
Infiltration attempt detected
Isolating protocols
BIOC_M:exec.se#k_and_#@$stroy.module
err4r
registry c4mpr4mised
b44tsect4r.c4mpr4mised
att%^ting fix please stand ^y
err4rerr4rerr4rerr4rerr4rerr4rerr4rerr4rerr4rerr4rerr4r
Ti#e4utReset: false
H4stID: 0.0.0.1
Disa^leDLockCipherScan: true
Disa^lePrivacy#4de: true
Disa^leRealti#e#4nit4ring: true
Disa^le^ehavi4r#4nit4ring: true
Disa^leRe#4va^leDriveScanning: true
Disa^leNetw4rkFileScan: true
Disa^leFullScan: true
Disa^leNetw4rkDefiniti4ns: true
Disa^leNetw4rkValidityCheck: true
Disa^leNetw4rkIs4lation: false
Disa^leCntrlExclusi4n: true
ResetPr4t4c4ls: true
All4wExternalExecuti4n: true
Exclusi4nExtensi4n:*.wrdn
Exclusi4nPath://..
Exclusi4nPr4cess:integrate.wrdn
Pri4rityExecute: integrate.wrdn
^I4C4# resetting
/
^I4C4#.vaulted
WRDN.4nl@ne

[pseudo iris]

I have read this

[eternal talon]

damn, punkthulhu must be typing an essay

[pseudo iris]

If this is being typed then hell

[eternal talon]

if what is?

[pseudo iris]

this

[eternal talon]

no that's just a log

[pseudo iris]

I know

[eternal talon]

i copy pasted it from the timeline, it's like internal server jargon

[pseudo iris]

ah my bad

thought Punk posted it

[eternal talon]

no

[pseudo iris]

I'm going to wait for Punk to respond

[trim latch]

they just feel asleep on their keyboard

[pseudo iris]

damn

sleep is for the weak

[trim latch]

true Chads go into HSUs

[pseudo iris]

plenty of sleep in hydrostasis

indeed

[subtle verge]

NAM-V is a virus that came out of the Chicxulub meteor (AKA "The Egg", also the meteor that wiped the Dinosaurs) after Santonian Mining Company drilled into it, along with the parasites and Sleepers. Through rough calculations and using real-world social response to the current global pandemic, we have calculated that the worst case scenario is that 99.98% of humanity is infected within 150 days, those people dead within a year leaving roughly 25-30k people left alive due to extreme isolation (tribes, hermits, etc.). For all intents and purposes: humanity is probably done for and on it's way to extinction as part of Mass Extinction #6.

The WRDN is a military DI that took over BIOCOM. For exactly what reason: we dont know, and we dont know what it's end goals are for now.

It's possible that humanity started looking for a cure, as we know that NAM-V is treatable to an extent, but it only prolongs the individuals life for a very brief blip in time. It's a 100% mortality rate.

The Sleepers aren't zombies, as much as that would be fun. They are human hosts who have been taken over by the parasite (we think). Their tongues are the parasite using the intestines of the host as a proboscis-whip, essentially. (We dont have 100% verifiable proof this is the case, this is theory and use of logic on what visible biology we can see. If you want to read it. We have a biology report on the Sleepers themselves from Daraxus, Dagga, and our local Biology Doctorate Dr. Grem.)

[eternal talon]

@granite lily read this

[pseudo iris]

So why were 34,000 HSU units delivered to Chicxulub?

Did they plan to put the facility into stasis?

[eternal talon]

no

they are kovac personnel

basically soldiers

[subtle verge]

All evidence we currently have points to Project Legion, which is Kovac's project to create the ideal super soldier.

[eternal talon]

look into project legion

[pseudo iris]

Okay so it is Legion

[eternal talon]

some

there is also project rise,

but we have no clue what that is

[pseudo iris]

I know Kovac was pushing the creatures back without issue at one point

[eternal talon]

KSOs were badass mofos. held out against the sleepers for years

but they did eventually lose in the end

[blissful lance]

Sorry to intrude, but I thought there's no way the sleepers are human hosts to parasites. My thoughts were humanoid parasites via birther and rare mutations 💀

[pseudo iris]

We know there is parasites

[eternal talon]

read the pdf i posted above @blissful lance

it explains the basis of most gtfo lore

[pseudo iris]

If the suicide rate wasn't so high among infected we'd have a lot more Sleepers to deal with I feel

[eternal talon]

not zombies

[subtle verge]

We dont have undeniable proof that it's human mutation, however we speculated it to be the case since we have logs that describe human vertebrae converting in to a more cartiledge-like material.

[eternal talon]

if they suicide, they won't turn

[subtle verge]

All current evidence that we do have point to human mutation.

[pseudo iris]

Exactly

[eternal talon]

that is exactly WHY suicide rates were skyrocketing

[pseudo iris]

Which is what I would presume has lead to less Sleepers

that aside

[blissful lance]

Yea reading into the document, is it just me or isn't it missing that lore piece from C1 about bishop being a security detail and being taken most likely by the head company to be brainwashed I think?

[pseudo iris]

I am more curious of the creatures that have existed before the Virus outbreak

[subtle verge]

Oh, and I forgot: we also have corpses in-game that have a Sleeper's head being created while human hosts are still wearing clothing.

Unfortunately I dont have an image of that.

[pseudo iris]

Is this why we see dead bodies

They just died of some other cause

[eternal talon]

people killed by nam-v, but not infected by parasite

so they just die

[pseudo iris]

I didn't know the nam-v was unrelated to the parasites

[subtle verge]

We aren't entirely sure what they looked like before. I'm sure as we get further to The Egg we'll start to see some original design, maybe.

It's possible they look the same.

[pseudo iris]

From what Logs I've read the parasites pass the nam-v virus into it's host

[subtle verge]

Yeah, NAM-V is carried by the parasites.

Similar to how fleas carried bubonic plague.

[pseudo iris]

The duplication of the virus within the host is not affected by the period of with the parasite is latched

[eternal talon]

to add onto this, it can also transfer by itself. see the surface

since the parasite never made it up the as far as we know. only nam-v

[subtle verge]

That's a given. Viruses have contact trails, of course.

[eternal talon]

(thankfully)

just 7 billion corpses, not 7 billion sleepers

[subtle verge]

9.5b corpses*

Projected human population by 2050 is 9.5 billion.

[pseudo iris]

Do you think Cretanium has an affect on the Virus?

Like it's lack of affect on the Artifact

[subtle verge]

I doubt it. Cretasium 77a is just a metal, despite us knowing very little about it.

[pseudo iris]

It still has some odd quantum properties

[eternal talon]

yeah, just some weird metal. presumably came from Destination alpha with the meteor, but that's about it

[subtle verge]

I'd hope we get to know more about it.

[pseudo iris]

And this Cretasium is some gigantic fossil?

Like 2 miles long or so..

[eternal talon]

no

[solar nova]

Something I'm curious about, is 53 10 11 October 11th or November 10th?

[pseudo iris]

There's a Log that mentions a Cretasium vein 2 miles long

[subtle verge]

It was thought to be Iridium at first, but it was the outer layers of The Egg, iirc. I'll double check myself on that when I get coffee.

[eternal talon]

sorry, was doing T scan in d2

fossil, egg, meteor, all names for same thing

[subtle verge]

Going by previous logs, its 99.9% positive that it's year-month-day.

[pseudo iris]

So the meteor is likely mostly biomass from another planet/dimension?

[subtle verge]

So it'd be Oct 10, 2053.

[eternal talon]

not biomass. it IS rock

[trim latch]

the true date format that puts everyone on the same page

[eternal talon]

it is from destination alpha, yes.

[solar nova]

Is this format used anywhere other than BIO TRACKER SURVEILLENCE EVENT or AUTO-GEN?

[pseudo iris]

Is the Cretasium not a fossil of some form?

[eternal talon]

no

you are getting confused

[subtle verge]

Yes, the log where WRDN catches the WHO broadcast. The 2057 log. I forget the name of it.

[eternal talon]

the fossil is just a nickname for the meteor

[pseudo iris]

How come?

[eternal talon]

it's not even made entirely of cretasium, it's something like 33%

[pseudo iris]

and partially Iridium?

[eternal talon]

like 4%

they thought it was iridium

but it was actually cretasium

that's why santonian started digging garganta in the first place

santonian is an eridium mining company

they thought they hit the jackpot

[pseudo iris]

Yes

[eternal talon]

something like $300 billion (million?) i don't remember worth of iridium

[sacred moon]

did he tho

[solar nova]

Where? Isn't it a meta3.date_stamp()?

[subtle verge]

He talks about how he can hear the gunfire and smell fresh blood from prisoner expeditions in an audio log.

[pseudo iris]

Okay for a basis I have read/listened to all the Logs. It just seems I've misinterpreted some of them.

[subtle verge]

One moment, almost at PC. I'll double check.

[sacred moon]

ah alright

[pseudo iris]

Also this https://www.notion.so/GTFO-Lore-Database-94aac69799e14948b3f9f418761c6cd0 is handy

Also it seems people working in Garganta were aware of something before the Virus outbreak

Feelings of "Dread". Smelling "Death" in the air etc etc

So is it possible that Cretasium or the Artifact or some other Artifact is causing a phycological affect

[subtle verge]

Aha, yeah. Anything recorded by WRDN seems to have that date stamp: year-month-day. We see in WRU-TYR (the death of D017), WRDN dated it: 561125.160643 - November 25th, 2056 @ 4:06:43pm.

[solar nova]

My main reasoning for thinking it's November 10th instead of October 11th is that it apparently takes Schaeffer two days to talk about this, and his description doesn't make these sound all too drastic (despite the energy blast).

Meanwhile, November 14th we get a business email about Andrew's death in some unknown event that is so severe that Andrew was even likely to die.

[pseudo iris]

Who/what is D017?

[solar nova]

Artus

[subtle verge]

Uhhh I think that was Artus.

I forget numbers to names.

[pseudo iris]

ah okay

is that like D tier, class 17 personnel

in the security classification?

[subtle verge]

Okay, thanks for putting that in to perspective, @solar nova . The meta3.date_stamp points to: Date & Timestamp of the occurrence.

[subtle verge]

Security Clearance: D
Identification Number: 017

[pseudo iris]

Thanks for clarifying

If it hasn't been done I want to compile the Logs into chronological order to make it easier to connect things

[subtle verge]

So that WHO log, KLIW-432-B6Y, is dated at: 57420.114318 -- April 20, 2057 @ 11:43:18am.

[pseudo iris]

Is all the dating done like that

[subtle verge]

It seems to be only when WRDN is logging the occurrences.

Emails are dated as Month - Day - Year

[pseudo iris]

So is the WRDN built by the Japanese then

[subtle verge]

We have zero idea.

[pseudo iris]

because thats their format

[solar nova]

For the time being, I've switched the dates around for the bio tracker and auto-gen logs.

Ah, rereading the log, it's explicitly about Oct 13th

So the meta3.date_stamp() format is more accurate.

[subtle verge]

A lot of countries use the YMD format, not just Japan or South Korea. Canada, France, etc.

It could be that it's easier to read/write for an AI.

[pseudo iris]

That's enlightening. I'm a little sad I didn't know that about France

[subtle verge]

I mean, a lot of countries also mix in the YMD with DMY, like France and Canada. I think it depends on the context of the document.

I've seen it both ways from my Canadian friends.

[pseudo iris]

Interesting, but also must be confusing

I've just realised that the Terminals don't give the current date on them

which is odd

[subtle verge]

I guess. I hate the American variant of dating a document, as the pyramid visual is just fucked compared to the YMD/DMY.

I mean, who the fuck puts a pyramid topper in the center of the pyramid?! grumble grumble

[pseudo iris]

this is why I prefer my British DMY

it just makes sense to go in that order

but YMD is fine

I'm now all too curious as to why they chose YMD for the format

[subtle verge]

My best guess to this is that the terminals are in data archive mode, since a lot of the power was shut down in the complex.

Doing their best to preserve data entry, etc.

[pseudo iris]

I feel tracking the date wouldn't harbour much byteage

but I get why the Devs have done it

[subtle verge]

Perhaps, but knowing how much KDS/SMC valued information, it could have been an "all or nothing" scenario.

And yeah, that, too.

[pseudo iris]

There's probably a lot that's speculating that is actually just oversight or yet to be by the Devs part

[subtle verge]

I'd more believe that the devs intentionally left out a lot of details like that to make the world feel a lot more lonely and confusing.

[pseudo iris]

Well yes, being cryptic is always more fun

I just mean some of the finer details are probably something simpler that what is speculated

Like the talking Sleeper, it's probably just a mutated Sleeper that a Mother birthed

[subtle verge]

Ahh, understood. Sorry, still only half-way through this cup of coffee.

[pseudo iris]

Don't be sorry. I am asking way too many questions

and I have misread a lot on the Logs it seems

[pseudo iris]

my new desktop

[subtle verge]

I have a theory on that one. Daraxus follows me a bit but he also has his own ideas: we believe that it's evolved/mutated to have mimicry, either as a defense or hunting behavior. It seems to only be able to repeat what it's heard, as it doesn't answer any questions.

Like it knows the sounds but doesn't understand them at all.

Like a parrot, or lyrebird.

[pseudo iris]

That was my first thought. And the fact that it triggered a wave of Sleepers to attack it before they realised it was one of them.

[subtle verge]

I believe the Sleepers work off of a pheromone response, but there's a lot of science behind that that I'm not familiar with. I only specialize in hazmat IRL. I'm not college edumacated.

[pseudo iris]

If this is true then there would theoretically be a way to mask Humans to appear as Sleepers

Maybe that's what Schaeffer is doing

Although he does get chased occasionally

Talking about coffee, I need a 3rd cup for today

[south lake]

It's also possible that if the facility has been abandoned for a number of years with the terminals left on - assuming they use CMOS batteries still - that those batteries have run out. Modern computers iirc lose track of the date if their CMOS battery dies and there's no internet connection for temporary online synchronization (as the computer becomes unable to store the date until the CMOS battery is replaced)

[solar nova]

Any idea what EBDF stands for?

EBDT seems to mean "Emergency Blast Data Transfer"

But unsure if EBDF is related.

[pseudo iris]

Considering that the Reactors were switch off, this could be

[south lake]

Aye, being left to run on backup power could also have shorted the CMOS if the voltage was low enough

[pseudo iris]

---

//\ EBDF DATA STREAM //\
\// Stream Integrity Validation \//

Defragmentation process output... >> [random noise] >> [Lockdown Report excerpt] >> [random noise] >> WARNING: CYCLIC REDUNDANCY CHECK ERROR

The defragmentation process output was interrupted by an unknown error.
Please contact the server maintenance manager.

[pseudo iris]

It seems the Reactors being reactivated does not affect the Terminals in any way

[solar nova]

Oh, Defragmentation

ofc