gtfo-lore

[royal finch]

Imo to me it doesnt look like fabric

[quick grove]

That's some deformed shit

[knotty mist]

just started gtfo and thought i read all the lore

whats this about a leahter bound baby

[solar nova]

It was very clearly a cover of some sort, you can see it stretched over things rather than being the surface itself.

[royal finch]

it kinda looks like a trash bag that had air sucked out of it HAHAH

[solar nova]

^

[keen mantle]

Someone pinged me here?

[quick grove]

Nah bro that Doesn't look like a cover man

[quick grove]

Erm look at recent @ and you'll see i think

[royal finch]

we were just talking about listening to music while playing gtfo and how you finished the rundown without sound

nothing much

[keen mantle]

Oh. I just found it XD

[royal finch]

LOL

[keen mantle]

I do wished that I could read the logs in the terminal

[finite vine]

its a bag

[quick grove]

Don't look like it

[tall anchor]

So wait I’m really confused

[quick grove]

But if it is ill accept it

[analog frigate]

basically, it's like an amniotic sac

[quick grove]

Amniotic?

[analog frigate]

a layer of skin/flesh covering it

[finite vine]

it does. you have the fabric/ plastic pulled over the object inside. also it has tubes connected to the bag as well.

its synthetic

[solar nova]

It was a lot clearer up close, but even in the image you can see that it's more like a fabric stretched over it (I liked the vacuumed trash bag description).

[tall anchor]

I was under the impression that pMother was mostly described and addressed in r3, leading up to D1. have there been references since that I’ve missed?

[analog frigate]

that's where an infant is kept before being born

[royal finch]

Well... either way, I don't expect it to be raised to be a human.

not after pmother is told to be related to neonates

[quick grove]

Oh

[royal finch]

Nah, its a new enemy

[solar nova]

It hasn't been referenced since R2A1, the only mention of it at all.

[finite vine]

no. no other references have been made. we dont know if the pMother and the Boss mother have any connection

[finite vine]

how do u know its a new enemy?

you mean up-coming enemy? (potentially)

[keen mantle]

Wait…. P mother and boss mother?

[finite vine]

yea people call the larger version of the mother the pMother

[royal finch]

Well... It's new. It hasn't appeared anywhere and its likely related to KDS, but its not the boss mother.

[tall anchor]

R3D1 had a boss that was a big mother, the first time we saw it

[quick grove]

Ay man i hope i don't meet boss mother

[finite vine]

at least I thought they did. some people call the small mother the pMother as well

[royal finch]

At least I dont think its a boss mother

[quick grove]

Wait is there two different mothers the game?

Or just one

[finite vine]

I thought there was a larger one with more hp. I could be wrong though.

[royal finch]

There was.

[finite vine]

there is a larger one though for sure.

[royal finch]

It was a boss for one of the rundowns (i think 3?)

[finite vine]

yea r3

[royal finch]

and theres also a smaller version of it called mother

[quick grove]

Also i would assume the "P" in Pmother could mean project or something

[solar nova]

So, you know people are referring to the desert area we visit as "Red Alpha," despite the fact that Red Alpha is a Mars mission in-universe?

pMother has a very similar story. We hear about it in R2A1, with nothing else to go off of. R3 drops, and we get birthers. Some people refer to these as "mothers," and some people make the connection in their heads that the boss mother is the "pMother," really just because it's a special mother and pMother is an unresolved plot point.

There is no actual connection between the large (crowned?) birther in R3D1 and the pMother trial samples from R2A1, just the same as Red Alpha was a Mars mission and has nothing to do with the desert area we get sent to by the Matter Wave Projector and the data cubes.

[tall anchor]

that’s a terrible example however I understand what you’re saying

Also, a lot of the problem with names in gtfo is that the devs have explicitly told us they don’t want to name the enemies, and would rather us name them.

[solar nova]

They are almost exactly the same. In 2-3 rundowns people will be saying "oh, I thought we were going to Mars" because of the massive misnomer. It's already a point of confusion from time to time when somebody mentions "Red Alpha" when describing the desert.

[quick grove]

Red alpha is a coined name for the desert area

[royal finch]

Assuming the neonate HSU's are related to her, and the entire thing being a project of KDS, It's likely the neonate we carried was used to finish their project? probably?

[tall anchor]

k let’s not get into red alpha / the desert unless we have a better name for it

[quick grove]

I could be entirely wrong tho

[solar nova]

No, it's very clearly mixing "alpha 1" and "alpha 2" with the completely unrelated log that mentions Red Alpha.

[quick grove]

Bro its just a coined name

[royal finch]

Yeah, I find it hella hard to explain 😂

[keen mantle]

Hmm interesting

[tall anchor]

cough

[quick grove]

As i have a coined name for the creature schaeffer talks to

[analog frigate]

i don't see why calling it red alpha is an issue. it's the only relevant name for it that we have in logs and can connect to it. personally i don't care what we call it as long as it's consistent. the confusion that came from it seems fabricated because people don't commonly state the difference between them and how to not confuse them by taking context into account

[solar nova]

It might be that people who have heard the misnomer weren't aware of where the misnomer came from, but it's still the case that that's where the name came from.

[analog frigate]

yeah better not

[finite vine]

its coined by the player base, but not by the logs

[quick grove]

Ye i know

[solar nova]

It should be obvious, if we have logs describing A and B, we shouldn't call both of them by B, that's just confusing (and misleading).

[keen mantle]

Mimic??

[analog frigate]

wyvern you really have missed a lot

[tall anchor]

It’s effectively a mimic because it ‘mimics’ a voice and parrots it’s words back

[keen mantle]

This is my first rundown

[analog frigate]

the talking schaeffer creature is one of 3 unknown sleepers

[quick grove]

Ye i call it the mimic because schaeffer said it uses a voice that isn't its

[analog frigate]

i suggest you look at the logs and listen to the audio, it's really unnerving

[keen mantle]

Has anyone encountered it?

[quick grove]

No

[keen mantle]

I can’t listen to audios

[quick grove]

Only schaeffer

[tall anchor]

Three people

[solar nova]

Oh.

[tall anchor]

Schaeffer, Jordy and another person

[keen mantle]

Ok

[tall anchor]

I think their name was Edgar

[analog frigate]

jordy encountered it?

[quick grove]

3 people has encountered the talking thing

[tall anchor]

2 Dr Teale logs talk about it, one jordy and the other Edgar

[solar nova]

@keen mantle Wiki has transcribed the new logs, I think.
https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/Rundown_6.0

[quick grove]

Any audio logs i can listen to besides schaeffers encounters pls

[finite vine]

I know the mimic and the shadow creature are the first 2, whats the third one?

[solar nova]

Check the lore database.

[analog frigate]

pmother

[analog frigate]

that's very interesting

[quick grove]

Now you know theres a fuck ton of audio logs dude how am i gonna find those logs

[analog frigate]

i've heard only schaeffer ever mentioning it

[keen mantle]

XD

[tall anchor]

Yeah, they're both R6 logs

[quick grove]

Yo you did the timeline thing you got the logs pls show me the way

[solar nova]

What was your original question?

[finite vine]

was this found out from audio logs or text logs?

I only remember Schaeffer finding it

[quick grove]

^

[tall anchor]

Checking now.

[solar nova]

I interpreted as "are there any other audio logs in the game at all?"

[solar nova]

Then go to the lore database if you won't elaborate, just pick one.

[keen mantle]

And I interpreted that as “Is there any non-audio logs for that XD”

[quick grove]

Bruh some help you can be

[solar nova]

Wiki has them.

[quick grove]

Yes they have em the transcript under them now i think

[solar nova]

I linked it I believe.

[keen mantle]

Ok good

[tall anchor]

DT-E257-014 (Found in R6B1)

[keen mantle]

I’ll check on those later

Trying to have my lunch break at work lol!

[solar nova]

What answer do you want? You didn't elaborate on your question.

[keen mantle]

My heart is still beating fast as hell when I remember two intense moments

[tall anchor]

https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/Rundown_6.0_Logs

Go there Merv

It's all on the wikikiki

[finite vine]

I don't see anything here mentioning the mimic creature that Schaeffer encountered.

[quick grove]

Aight

[tall anchor]

DT-E105-009 (Found in R6D1)

That's the one my bad

Edgar Soweta saw it

[finite vine]

I'm pretty sure the creature that he is describing is different from the mimic.

the one being described in this log sounds more like a shadow

[analog frigate]

that's the log with the unknown shadow type creature

so it might not be a thing apparently

it does sound like the talking schaeffer creature

[tall anchor]

Yes, but shafe also talks how it is dusty

[solar nova]

So I turned my headlamp on
Sounds a lot like a shadow tbh.

[finite vine]

this creature and the creature that Schaeffer described are two separate things.

[finite vine]

yea

[solar nova]

sort of human, but its head was hung low, like it broke its neck or something. Its legs were strong, muscular, but the arms were skinny and bent. It looked like two different bodies put together… and it’s looking right at me, panting.

[quick grove]

Yeah no logs about jordy seeing the thing@tall anchor

[tall anchor]

yeah, but remember there's dust in the hole

[analog frigate]

the two different bodies put together sounds like the talking creature

[tall anchor]

Schafe diescribes a really thin paper white creature with dust on it

[analog frigate]

i don't think turning on a flashlight when there are a lot of particles in the air improves sight capabilities

[finite vine]

yea actually I don't see anything describing it as a shadow... I guess I just assumed that lmao

[solar nova]

There's nothing like a broken neck or strange proportions from Schaeffer, though.

[analog frigate]

it makes it generally hard to see

[finite vine]

it still might not be the creature Schaeffer described though.

[quick grove]

The creature schaeffer talks to are different from what chased the guy in the mineshaft

[subtle verge]

It is possible that it's connected, but I'm pretty sure you could see a paper-white creature with a headlamp attached.

If you can see it has arms, legs, a broken neck, you can tell what color the skin is.

Unless it evolved over time, of course.

[finite vine]

how? the only thing that was described about the creature in the mineshaft was its posture and the fact that it looked like two people put together.

[solar nova]

They could be the same, but probably not.

[analog frigate]

and is related to flyers, utilising crystals to teleport short distances

[finite vine]

^

[solar nova]

We should expect more that associates the two, and nothing does besides them being two mysterious entities.

[subtle verge]

^

[quick grove]

Wheres the one about jordy and doctor teale

[subtle verge]

I'm just hoping we get more concrete evidence or even get to see it in 6.5.

[analog frigate]

due to the uncertainty of these descriptions, i'll keep my idea of them being two separate things

[quick grove]

I don't remember the person that got interviewed said it had two body's massed together

[tall anchor]

I was wrong about jordy I think

[quick grove]

The one speaks and the other Doesn't

[finite vine]

"It looked like two different bodies put together… and it’s looking right at me, panting."

[quick grove]

Dang but not doctor teale?

[quick grove]

Mmm but that's a different creature to what schaeffer has encountered

[analog frigate]

it sounds similar to what schaeffer described but it possesses different properties

[quick grove]

Yes

[analog frigate]

using crystals like flyers and having shadow-like properties

[quick grove]

What

[analog frigate]

i see how they are similar

[tall anchor]

Now i've looked into it again I was wrong about it being the same creature, I just assumed they were related

[quick grove]

I don't remember the mimic thing flying

[analog frigate]

no

[tall anchor]

I was tired last night; sorry.

[analog frigate]

not flying

[analog frigate]

no need to be

[quick grove]

What are you talking about then your making me confused

[analog frigate]

i mean as in teleporting short distances

that's what flyers also do

with the crystals they have in their back

[tall anchor]

At least we know that schafe's mimic is real though, not something he made up

[analog frigate]

that's for sure

[quick grove]

So the creature in the mineshaft that chased the person could have similar properties to sleepers and flyers

So allens?

[analog frigate]

no

it's a variant of a shadow

that can teleport using crystals

and he saw its actual shape, not shadow

[quick grove]

But has a see able body right?

Ah

So the mimic and the creature that uses the crystals are two different creatures right?

[tall anchor]

Yes, I connected them in my head as the same creature, but I was wrong

[quick grove]

Thats alright

[solar nova]

Depends on what you mean.

because you can see shadows.

[quick grove]

So we got the mimic we got weird Crystal monster and the Pmother

[quick grove]

Until they lick you that's it

[analog frigate]

mimic, shadow variant, pmother

[quick grove]

If they like 5 meters away you cant see shit

[analog frigate]

he saw bodily details

[quick grove]

Mmm we need a new name for the shadow variant

[analog frigate]

so he had to have seen it's shape

if he saw it's shadow, it would have no depth due to being a 2d thing

[solar nova]

It depends on your light, local lighting, and whether teammates are competing to shine lights on the same target.

in my experience, anyhow.

[finite vine]

well... we honestly don't have enough information to determine if they are the same creature or not.

by creature I mean species/ organism

[quick grove]

Nah my guy even when my teammates had their lights on the shadows i can't see them until there's in my face

[solar nova]

Thought you said the other way around?

[quick grove]

You literally can't see them if they 5 meters away

[analog frigate]

they are definitely related in terms of species and organism, only the variant is uncertain

[solar nova]

Yeah, they're pretty hard to see w/out good lighting and fog conditions with a strong light.

You can see them kind of far, tho.

[quick grove]

You see a dark figure on the ground around 1meter ish that's when its basically to late and you get violated

[finite vine]

if the shadow creature can teleport and the mimic cant... they are not the same organism

[eternal talon]

ghosts have always been a nightmare, ever since r1d1.

that's what i have always called them btw, "ghosts"

[quick grove]

So we possibly got a passive creature and 2 new maybe hostile creatures

[eternal talon]

because they HEAVILY remind me of the ghosts in metro 2033

[finite vine]

we don't even know if the creature found in the mine can talk, or what its skin looks like. we also don't know if the mimic creature Schaeffer found can teleport or not.

[tall anchor]

Not the same organism, definetly both are sleepers

[analog frigate]

that highly depends on what you consider "organism"

[quick grove]

Schaeffer says it just roams right?

[solar nova]

I overcame my fear of ghosts in R2C1 when my duo partner and I decided bringing a biotracker would cost too much from our tool slots.

Actually was pretty manageable.

[tall anchor]

It's a bit weird because of how much the parasite transforms people

[eternal talon]

does that work? i mean it's always what i've used. doesn't make sense to just call them "shadows"

[quick grove]

So the mimic might be the only intelligent sleeper species?

[analog frigate]

by organism, i understand a variant of a species

[finite vine]

lmao we dont even know if its related to a sleeper

[analog frigate]

or a specific creature

[analog frigate]

we definitely do

[finite vine]

no, we dont

[analog frigate]

what else can it be?

[quick grove]

Erm ghost and shadows share same things the creature in the mineshaft has a physical body

[tall anchor]

It’s literally describing a striker

[quick grove]

So nah and it shares something with crystals

[quick grove]

?

[eternal talon]

i'm talking about the invisible dudes.

[solar nova]

That's not super compelling, it could be anything, but it's not very close to what we know about sleepers and their characteristics by far.

[analog frigate]

but think about the possibilities, what other species or creatures outside of sleepers have ever been mentioned?

[tall anchor]

Mineshaft creature is a garbled up striker. it’s legs are muscled, and it’s arms are weak, both things we can attribute to strikers

[quick grove]

Oh yeah shadows and the remnants of the ghost people in metro totally shares similarities

[finite vine]

just because there are no other explanations doesn't mean that it is a sleeper.

[analog frigate]

the likelyhood of it being something else than a sleeper is close to none

[tall anchor]

There’s a very high chance it is a sleeper

[analog frigate]

a very very high

[eternal talon]

allen is a possib

[quick grove]

Oh lord but its somehow connected with Crystals that it uses to teleport around

[eternal talon]

if not likely.

[tall anchor]

Yeah, it being another alien type is a possibility, but unlikely

[quick grove]

Yeah true

[analog frigate]

we know it's something that mutated from human bodies due to every description we've had

[subtle verge]

Which, if you think about it, makes perfect evolutionary sense to be able to control the recoil of the strikes so it doesn't slide back five feet or knock itself on it's ass.

[eternal talon]

we know there were allens in the meteor that attacked the first set of miners, could be one of them.

[quick grove]

It could be from the burning body's but then thats supernatural i mean anything can be possible

[tall anchor]

So do the floaters, the only difference between the two is that Red Alpha/Desert World has a fuckload of crystals, earth doesn’t

[analog frigate]

how would that be supernatural?

[quick grove]

Yes allen sleepers

[eternal talon]

whatever was in the meteor that attacked the miners was from red alpha, so not off the table.

[tall anchor]

Yeah, there’s a lot of big brained refining into the sleeper subtypes

[analog frigate]

we really need to be able to make threads

[quick grove]

Ye it could be that the creature is from the allens possibly

[analog frigate]

why would is be from the aliens?

[eternal talon]

realistically, the crystal in the WMP HAD to have come from the meteor, else how could they have made it?

[tall anchor]

No, because the parasites in the inner would have turned it into a sleeper

[quick grove]

Because allens got infected to ya know

[eternal talon]

they used the wmp to get TO red alpha in the first place, the humans did.

[eternal talon]

something sent the meteor to earth

[analog frigate]

still doesn't explain how it would be an alien

[quick grove]

The allens of course

[eternal talon]

meteor gotta come from somewhere

[quick grove]

True but only one could dream

[tall anchor]

Again, we don’t even know if the parasite is on purpose

[analog frigate]

that's not the point

[eternal talon]

i highly doubt it was just ejected from red alpha
naturally*

[analog frigate]

what i am asking is, why would that specific creature, be an uninfected alien?

[tall anchor]

Maybe the sleepers are a welcoming party that different aliens use to terraform worlds and eliminate life

[analog frigate]

something like pacific rim?

[eternal talon]

oh i didn't say it would be uninfected, hell no. anything in the meteor would be long since infected.

[quick grove]

Not uninfected just the parasite doing its thing to the allen's

[eternal talon]

i meant just an infected form of whatever allens sent the thing.

[tall anchor]

I’m personally referring to the descolada in the later Enders Game books, i don’t know much about pacific rim

[eternal talon]

the allens as a species, would be probably long since dead.

doubt we will ever see any "uninfected" versions of them except statues and maybe logs.

[analog frigate]

it's about the exact thing you described (the first movie is good btw i recommend you watch it)

[eternal talon]

like the allens in tau valantis in dead space.

[tall anchor]

i watched the one with john boyega in it and enjoyed it

[eternal talon]

yeah, no not uninfected. 65 million years.. no way an allen would survive in the meteor being basically sealed with the very thing they were trying to escape. they all ded/infected.

[analog frigate]

eh, it's kinda worse. they tried to improve it and gave the vibe of "making it hip with the kids". the first was more "we are pilots of the most advanced machines, as to fight the giant aliens that are invading our planet"

[quick grove]

Only reason why i say is that the sleepers that we see are human like ish right but something attacked the miners (non human sleepers) and thus the outbreak happened in the complex i would say we'll probably see different sleeper types the deeper we go

[tall anchor]

dna can survive that long if it’s cold enough, depends on storage

[analog frigate]

but i still don't understand why it has to exactly be an alien and not something else like a part of the bodies that gustavo wanted burned that mutated

then it would tick a lot more things from the description

[quick grove]

We do know allens exists right@analog frigate

[eternal talon]

dna yeah, maybe. but that depends on alot of things going on inside the meteor that we have literally less than 0 information about.

[eternal talon]

yes, floaters and kraken minimum.

[eternal talon]

don't mean it has to be, just a possibility. this mimic thing is kinda wierd in it's own right.

[tall anchor]

yeah, there's definetly something else going on in that meteor that we need to know more about

[quick grove]

Yes but maybe an advance race that tried to escape their planet saw earth habitable and fled there not knowing the got the parasite they crashed some possibly died some didn't hence the attack that happened when the miners cracked the entrance

[eternal talon]

allens. god knows what kinda structures, artifacts, and whatnot kind of tech is sealed away in there.

[tall anchor]

I'm just saying it's not extremely outlandish if they're actually preserved somehow in the meteor

[quick grove]

Ye

Im just saying how the person described the creature saw looked different to what we see today

And im 100% sure we haven't seen a walking sleeper teleport

[eternal talon]

walking? no.

[analog frigate]

not for certain. their existence makes sense since something has had to make the artefacts but we have absolutely no timeframe of when they existed, what they are, how they did anything, if they even have existed in the past lets say billion years, nothing in terms of why they should exist outside of the necessity that something at some point has had to have made the artefacts

[quick grove]

True

[eternal talon]

allens.

[analog frigate]

personally this just has no proof outside of "something has had to have made it"

[eternal talon]

just embrace it.

[analog frigate]

that sounds like you gave up

[eternal talon]

that's kinda the smoking gun though i mean, where else tf did it come from

[analog frigate]

true but that's it

[eternal talon]

not really, i'm open to different theories. i'm just personally running with this because it's fun.

[analog frigate]

nothing else

[eternal talon]

seems really interesting to me 🙂

[analog frigate]

it could've been created millions of years before anything and we wouldn't know

[quick grove]

Id say we possibly got a different sleeper species deeper in the complex towards the meteor @analog frigate

[analog frigate]

the nature of the theory just seems like a bold assumption based on 1 correct fact

[quick grove]

True

[analog frigate]

i agree, something made it

issue is, that something is too vague and has no information to back it up

[quick grove]

But we'll see hopefully we get to go deeper and see some form of new sleepers

[eternal talon]

well i mean, it takes other bits of lore and uses it to reinforce itself. ie, it uses the facts about red alpha, why the wmp exists and how the humans made it,

esc esc.

[analog frigate]

probably

[quick grove]

Yeah as most things are in the game

[tall anchor]

we've been doing this since r1 lmfao

[eternal talon]

it's just alot of theorycrafting bundled together into a cohesive thing

[analog frigate]

since we get closer to 2k

and when we get to 2k

[quick grove]

This is if the devs sends us deeper

[analog frigate]

oh boy is it going to be fun

[analog frigate]

they definitely will

[eternal talon]

for example, the WMP. how did the humans know how to make it? that's a thing.

how did the meteor get to earth? another.

esc esc.

[quick grove]

I mean KDS deep wasn't for nothing the elevator goes deeper so ye

[eternal talon]

it's questions that just keep leading. it's not just one thing i mean, daraxus.

i don't mean for you to get that impression

[solar nova]

We know the normal complex goes down to 1.5km

[analog frigate]

well there are more down-to-earth theories on why the meteor arrived

[analog frigate]

i understand

[quick grove]

The complex extends to 2km

[analog frigate]

it's just that that specific theory about aliens doesn't have much of any proof going for it

[finite vine]

honestly the question we should be asking is not how could the alien be alive on earth (if it is an alien), its why did it say to Schaeffer "we are not so different" and then proceed to ask Schaeffer if he is a "cat or dog person" that's more confusing to me, if of course, we assume its an alien.

[solar nova]

We don't know that, only that they aimed to drill that far.

[analog frigate]

they did reach 2k

[solar nova]

But they might not have built much in terms of facilities under 1.5km

[analog frigate]

after the deepscan they started and then reached it

[solar nova]

I know.

[tall anchor]

they must have hit 2k otherwise the meteor wouldn't have been opened

[finite vine]

true, but we know they reached something, assuming that something was the mass below 2k meters.

[analog frigate]

^

[solar nova]

To be super clear

They drilled down at least 2km

[quick grove]

Erm we do know because there coolers past 1.5km to keep temps in that part of the complex bare able

[solar nova]

but they might not have expanded the complex much under 1.5km, the original cutoff.

[analog frigate]

ah

that's clearer

but

[finite vine]

ah, I agree with that

[eternal talon]

well i mean, it's not like i'm not trying. i found that carved sandstone, i've been looking into details about the flyers and trying to do d1 to get more pics and explore that

[tall anchor]

new temprature mechanic confirmed r69?!?!?!?

[eternal talon]

some allens look human. example: Dark Ones in metro. completely different biology, still look humanoid

[finite vine]

we know that there was a mass below 2k meters, we know that there were tubes/ tunnels within it, and we know that the MWP and the Hammerstein artefacts were found inside of a place called "The Inner"

[analog frigate]

then they would have to keep personnel and gear and so much more somewhere, it would be extremely difficult and inefficient to move things over 500 meters constantly

[solar nova]

Sure, but this would just be ventilation-related installations. Probably not the vast refineries and laboratories we see elsewhere (at least for now, going deeper may have also meant extending the complex).

[eternal talon]

dark ones for reference

[analog frigate]

why would the argument that aliens could look humanoid be valid?

[eternal talon]

in the darkness, you could confuse something like that for a human

[analog frigate]

it's a possibility yes

[eternal talon]

in the log it says it's humanoid, yes?

[analog frigate]

the description by schaeffer?

[eternal talon]

look, we don't know what it is, but this is the best lead that i persoanally have

[eternal talon]

yes

[analog frigate]

it's described as: White, blue veins under paper skin, so clean. Almost human; almost. It was covered in dust or maybe a powder or ashes. From a… from a fire… Yes… a fire. I remember the fires. Outside from the person who was here before me or is that a dream? A mountain of bodies on fire. Smoke blocking the sun.

[eternal talon]

i'm not saying it looks like a dark one. i'm just trying to say, that there are ways that it would fit the description still as an allen. i mean, sleepers really crazily mutate humans, and we have no idea what these allens could look like.

i feel like i'm just rambling trying to force this theory on you guys, but i truly believe it and want to help trying to uncover evidence.

[analog frigate]

makes sense

the issue is, there is no evidence

aliens have never even been mentioned in logs

[eternal talon]

no, that is true.

[finite vine]

whats your theory? that its an alien?

[eternal talon]

but the sleepers and the kraken are allens.

[eternal talon]

no, not really.

[finite vine]

oh

[eternal talon]

it's a long thing.

[tall anchor]

yes and no at the same time

[analog frigate]

and from a game design pov, i don't see how they would introduce a whole new "species" without any reference

[finite vine]

its not game design, its lore

[analog frigate]

yes, they technically could be, but also no

[solar nova]

Same difference.

[analog frigate]

true, but my point still applies

[solar nova]

Narrative design is a part of game design.

[tall anchor]

The sleepers and the Kracken are both infected by a parasite that completely takes over the host organism, meaning the parasite half is still alien to earth, however the host organisms (humans, uninfected kraken) are very different

[finite vine]

there are differences.

[analog frigate]

that's one of the theories

but it's the one that makes the most sense

[eternal talon]

that allens native to red alpha (possibly/maybe not) the floaters or kraken sent the meteor to try and escape red alpha because of the virus and parasite. the floaters and kraken are just infected native life to red alpha. so these allens use the meteor and try and escape to earth, but the meteor is too late, and the virus/parasite make inside. the allens are infected and whatever else, lie dormant deep inside when it crashes on earth and stays dormant until miners crack it open and start the initial outbreak. inside the meteor, according to my theory, could be any number of potential alien structures, artifacts, and what not.

^this is just about the basics of my theory.

that i've been going with for a while now.

[analog frigate]

i see the logic

but it goes like this:

[tall anchor]

That theory is a possibility for sure

But there's also other candidates that could have sent the meteor

[eternal talon]

this theory explains the origins of the artifacts, (alien made), the wave matter projector, (humans using schematics and tech from the aliens to reach red alpha), and numerous other things.

[tall anchor]

How do we know that the meteor originates from Red Alpha?

[analog frigate]

complete agree

[analog frigate]

the crystals

[eternal talon]

^wave matter projector has crystals from red alpha.

[tall anchor]

The crystals could be inorganic to red alpha as well

[eternal talon]

and red alpha is infected already by the time we get to it.

[analog frigate]

they seem to occur naturally there

growing from the surface

possibly deep underground as well

[eternal talon]

i don't have the pictures anymore, but yeah. i posted some of different stages of the crystals' growth

in this channel somewhere

[tall anchor]

Maybe the MWP connects us to red alpha because a load of crystals have grown on that planet, how do we not know that those crystals can't grow on earth for example

[eternal talon]

same with different stages of the bramble's lifecycle

[eternal talon]

the wmp has a crystal IN IT

that had to have come from somewhere to get to red alpha in the first place. that's kinda key proof we know the meteor is from there.

[analog frigate]

they appear to be native to red alpha

[tall anchor]

I'm implying enough time has passed on red alpha for crystals to have covered the surface and to appear natrual

[analog frigate]

that's true

[tall anchor]

I'm basically saying that there's also a possibility that the crystals aren't even related to red alpha, that they're introduced

[eternal talon]

well maybe not, most of the outside of the meteor would have been destroyed in the collision with earth

[tall anchor]

You can't explicitly say the meteor came from red alpha

[analog frigate]

that's a possibility

[analog frigate]

true

[eternal talon]

leaving only the interior still intact and untouched, explaining why earth didn't have the crystals start growing. OR, earth could just be unsuitable for their growth in the first place.

[tall anchor]

we don't know honestly

[analog frigate]

but we can presume due to those two things being the only things ever mentioned. as in, only red alpha has been mentioned, and is the only possible mentioned source of the meteorite

just saying that it's more likely it came from red alpha

[eternal talon]

from what little we have seen, red alpha appears to be a dense rocky planet teeming with sand and sandstorms (mountain high sandstorms). given @analog frigate talk about ears popping, pressure ontop the cliffs of alpha two and the complex being the same, ground pressure on red alpha would be much higher than on earth.

[tall anchor]

Wait, is there in-game proof about the ears popping/pressure difference?

[analog frigate]

not much higher but

[tall anchor]

I asked that before and the channel got sidelined

[eternal talon]

the lack of, more like.

[analog frigate]

technically no

[eternal talon]

daraxus was talking about this the other day

and the pressure differential

[finite vine]

I highly doubt that the dev's would add ears popping due to pressure change. great observation though.

[eternal talon]

the lack of, more than their being some.

[analog frigate]

but the pressure seems to be equal (or at least close) due to there being no mention of the issues caused by sudden pressure change

[subtle verge]

There is no in-game mechanic for this, no. My best guess is that there would be very little to no difference. No different than going 1km beneath the earth, and then back to the surface.

[analog frigate]

yeah i think it's a super tiny detail but you know me

i overanalyse

[subtle verge]

It's negligent at best.

[eternal talon]

well we are VERY high up in b1 at alpha two, and VERY deep down in the complex, so at least, it deserves a mention.

[analog frigate]

not even back to the surface, on top of a mountain (but we don't know how high it is compared to the planet's version of sea level)

so actually

completely ignore my point

we don't know the actual height of the mountain

[eternal talon]

i posted a pic looking straight down over the cliffs, but it's a bit too low poly and texture to make out true distance other than far.

[finite vine]

well you would probably feel a little pop due to a 4 thousand food pressure change instantly, but I doubt that the dev's would of thought about that lol

[analog frigate]

it literally could be less than the planet's equivalent of sea level

[finite vine]

yep

[eternal talon]

^ there is a pic looking down over the cliffs, if anybody can find it in my chat log here

[tall anchor]

ah, that's a good point

[analog frigate]

so my original idea is to be entirely ignored/just wrong

[subtle verge]

Depends; you wouldn't have any ear popping action if you were to go into the deepest mine on earth from the surface and back. They keep the air pressure equalized by constantly pumping fresh air in to the mines.

[analog frigate]

actually yeah

good point punk

ventilation could change apparent pressure

[finite vine]

well I was assuming that there would be a 4 thousand foot change in pressure

[subtle verge]

Which, I think the deepest mine is around 2.5km.

[eternal talon]

well no, some levels we have to turn air vents back ON and it's only temporarily, like in c2.

[finite vine]

also miners don't feel any ear popping because they don't go from the top of the mine to the bottom instantly.

[analog frigate]

it's speed that depends

[subtle verge]

Yeah, it wouldn't be anything like flying on a plane.

[analog frigate]

if you change your elevation quickly, such things could happen

[tall anchor]

Punk's saying that the pressure is exactly the same at sea level and at the bottom of the mine

[finite vine]

Also I dont even think pumping air in would matter, you still have 4 thousand feet of air on top of you

[eternal talon]

well, can we use the sandstorms to judge hight?

based on cloud formations?

[tall anchor]

not without atmospheric information

[analog frigate]

atmospheric pressure is different, it's a specific pressure i don't remember currently

[finite vine]

only thing that would reduce pressure in a deep mine is to have bulkheads/ airlocks

[tall anchor]

you'd need to know a lot of numbers that haven't been told at all

[analog frigate]

no

we miss too many other variables to find out

[eternal talon]

hmm..

those sandstorms could be of SUCH good use to measure with, if we could just get a scale

[tall anchor]

b/c we don't know if it's water vapour that's making the clouds, we don't know sea level of the planet and more

[eternal talon]

because if we can scale them, we can scale the mountain they are next to, and everything else by that.

[analog frigate]

we know some things

[tall anchor]

we also don't know the composition of the sand... (and I can go on for days)

[analog frigate]

but we need to much more data that it's impossible even if we get a log explaining the characteristics

we need a specific weather analysis from points all over the planet

[tall anchor]

yeah it would literally be a huge dump of information from a plane

[analog frigate]

yup

[eternal talon]

is there anything in d1 we can work with?

[analog frigate]

nope

[eternal talon]

that's a different location than alpha two

[analog frigate]

nothing

still

we don't know the location of alpha 1

nor alpha 2

[eternal talon]

alpha two is up on a mountain somewhere

[quick grove]

Do we even know how big red alpha is

[analog frigate]

we know basically nothing about red alpha in the grand scheme of things

[analog frigate]

no

[eternal talon]

there is sand everywhere.

[analog frigate]

*useful things

[eternal talon]

it has clouds and an atmosphere.

[quick grove]

Welp we know plants grow on the planet so there is a type of moisture

[analog frigate]

*useful things that are not obvious and actually help our situation

[quick grove]

Well the wierd looking plants

[subtle verge]

That's like saying my clothes are made of thread. Lmao.

[eternal talon]

it has plants and has native life.

[analog frigate]

that's an issue

durant literally said "this planet supports no life in any way"

not exactly what he said but means the same thing

[eternal talon]

yet.. plants go brrr

[analog frigate]

exactly

[eternal talon]

floatie boys go brrr

kraken goes brr

[subtle verge]

So far there’s no sign of biological life, though Ben did notice some discoloration on the rocks nearby, so he’s starting there. I don’t know how anything could survive here though, there’s no obvious food sources and the soil appears to be barren.

[eternal talon]

maybe he meant no 'earth life'

[tall anchor]

effective mass is around 1 earth

[eternal talon]

he was trying to plant earth plants, and they kept drying out.

[analog frigate]

so this goes into an internal lore controversy

durant says there is no life

we find plants

[eternal talon]

literally everywhere

plants galore

[analog frigate]

but then we run into the same issue

TIME

we have no idea when things are happening

[tall anchor]

oh god hides

[analog frigate]

we have no timeframe of any sort

[eternal talon]

NOT TTT.

[subtle verge]

Well, hold on.

[eternal talon]

NOTHING BUT THAT

[subtle verge]

Hold a second.

[analog frigate]

not time travel

just when things are happening

[subtle verge]

Plants can technically grow in barren soil.

[analog frigate]

yes

[subtle verge]

But they're incredibly hardy kinds of plants.

[eternal talon]

^these kinda plants are special

[analog frigate]

but no

[subtle verge]

They still need water, obviously.

[analog frigate]

they need a source of energy

any source

[eternal talon]

the sun is a deadly laser

[analog frigate]

they can't only use sunlight

[eternal talon]

well...

[analog frigate]

and looking at the type of plants we see

[eternal talon]

hm.

[analog frigate]

they don't use sunlight anyway

[eternal talon]

soil is devoid of nutrients, right?

in that log

in b1

[analog frigate]

yes

[subtle verge]

It's not confirmed, as Durant says 'it appears to be barren.'

[eternal talon]

yet plants go brrr...

why must he make it so difficult

[analog frigate]

appears to be barren in the radius they could scan

[eternal talon]

damn you durant, and your blind eyes.

[subtle verge]

It's safe to say, though, this guy knows his soil and plants.

[analog frigate]

but that's open to wording interpretation

[subtle verge]

He did send the plants to the destination.

And watered/fed them beforehand.

[eternal talon]

they dried too fast. that's another thing

what's the scale for how fast they died out?

[analog frigate]

that's different

[eternal talon]

that's to do with heat though

and lack of water.

[analog frigate]

and then we go to my wip interstellar time theory

[subtle verge]

They were sent a week before the research team, yet appeared dead for months or even years.

[eternal talon]

i mean they could bring water themselves, but heat.

[analog frigate]

no

they just die

[eternal talon]

i'm talking about the plants they br-

[analog frigate]

aged

[eternal talon]

they just die?

wdym aged?

[analog frigate]

the plants they sent died like they were left alone for years

[eternal talon]

uhhhh

that's kinda...

wierd

[analog frigate]

for them to turn so dry in a second or two, heat isn't an option

[quick grove]

The plants they probably died because of the teleportation or something

[analog frigate]

the heat required would just burn them instead

[eternal talon]

can we just throw out this log? this is just.. so inconsistant and whack

[subtle verge]

We have located the vegetation capsule we sent through three days ago, but it didn’t survive the jump. The capsules must have popped open during transit, the plants have been exposed and withered away to nothing. Although the soil in the capsule is bone dry. I prepped these plants myself and when they left my lab, the soil was saturated. And even in this environment the plants should have survived weeks but they look like they died months even years ago. It makes me wonder if there’s something in this atmosphere we’re not picking up. I have everyone wearing their masks, just to be safe.

Sorry, three days. Not a week.

[analog frigate]

lostty we can't throw out any logs

[eternal talon]

but it makes zero sense...

[quick grove]

Ah so the capsules popped

[subtle verge]

Time dilation through long distance, is my theory.

[solar nova]

Btw, dug up from an old vod...

[eternal talon]

well the people and US didn't die of old age

when we went through

[subtle verge]

Because the quantum tether was still there.

[analog frigate]

holy shit that's a clear picture

[quick grove]

Oky ye that's a layer of something

[eternal talon]

other picture looked like meat.

[analog frigate]

it's a plastic covering

hexagonal

but that's not a human

[quick grove]

Not human?

[analog frigate]

the legs are too high up

main body is a bit too short

head size is proper

[eternal talon]

is this the same neonate we picked up in a1 of r2?

[analog frigate]

yes

[tall anchor]

Supposedly

[eternal talon]

it came down in like a bank vacuum tube

where was it before that?

is it a sleeper?... or what?

[analog frigate]

we don't know

[quick grove]

Maybe a pMother or something

Who knows

[analog frigate]

sneak peek at a revelation happening

[finite vine]

I just calculated how fast earth would need to be moving relative to Red Alpha in order for 1 week on Earth to equal 5 months on Red Alpha. Earth would have to be traveling at 0.9993138% the speed of light relative to Red Alpha.

which is insanely fast

[analog frigate]

it's not speed or gravity

it's properties of the crystals to make wormholes

time on red alpha moves normally

transit causes issues

[finite vine]

I'm not talking about what u said, I just wanted to say that if time dilation was causing the plants to wither away on red alpha, earth would have to move 0.9993138% the speed of light relative to red alpha with the numbers given

[analog frigate]

ah

i was just giving an example to explain the idea

it doesn't work with seconds necessarily

[tall anchor]

Which is again possible if the speed of red alpha is being modified

[analog frigate]

yes

but that depends on its orbit

and the star it's orbiting

[finite vine]

I think what I calculated rules out time dilation causing the plants to wither away, because I don't think it is natural for a planet to move 0.9993138% the speed of light.

[analog frigate]

which poses a lot of issues which i can't explain in my current very sleep deprived state

[finite vine]

especially if it is orbiting a star, and especially if that star is within our local group

[tall anchor]

Not if it is specific to red alpha on it's own

[worthy flower]

honestly, given how relative humidity works, the soil at least could easily be bone dry in 3 days, assuming there is little to no moisture in the air.

[subtle verge]

In an enclosed capsule? I mean, it's possible, I suppose.

[worthy flower]

but it doesnt explain how the plants themselves were gone

we dont know the state of the capsules on arrival, he implies they popped open, but it smells red herring-ish

[finite vine]

I think I might of ruled out time dilatation

[worthy flower]

if the capsules were actually undamaged, and time dilation occured, the water could have easily migrated through the container.

[finite vine]

true

[tall anchor]

doesn't matter. it's impossible without some kind of localized time dialation to red alpha. Unless it's like, two feet away from the middle of a neutron star, it just wouldn't happen.

[finite vine]

but it is unlikely that Earth is moving at 0.9993138% the speed of light relative to Red Alpha. Which is the required speed to make 1 week on earth equal 5 months on Red Alpha.

[analog frigate]

but then we run into issues such as: why do humans not become mummies

[finite vine]

if Red Alpha was orbiting a neutron star, then the gravity would be insane

[analog frigate]

which means during that plant transport, something fucked up outside of the plants's enclosure messing up

[finite vine]

also the radiation would kill all life.

[worthy flower]

we dont really understand how teleportation really works, something could have gone wrong for the plant transport specifically.

[analog frigate]

which then aligns with punk's gustavo relations theory

[tall anchor]

It's most likely just a K type star as well

[finite vine]

we know that the capsule popped open, we just don't know why the plants withered away so fast.

[analog frigate]

it's just an example on how it's not something related to the orbit

[worthy flower]

imo he does not concretely confirm the state of the capsule. it smells fishy.

[finite vine]

time dilation relates to the orbit of the star.

[analog frigate]

for the whole planet yes

i'm talking about only during transit

[tall anchor]

not neccecarily if the time dialation is somewhat to do with the crystals

[finite vine]

I think LillianaMirrors was suggesting that Red Alpha was orbiting a large gravitational influence, which would affect time dilatation.

[worthy flower]

part of me thinks teleportation is literally just "skill issue"
similar to *walking down the stairs, vs kicking a plant down a staircase.

[analog frigate]

no

[analog frigate]

it's about the properties of crystals

and how they cause massive gravitational fields to induce a wormhole

[finite vine]

who are u replying to

[analog frigate]

you

[tall anchor]

we're sharing the same theory

[analog frigate]

yes

[finite vine]

if we are around the crystals then why don't we feel the gravitational influence?

[analog frigate]

general relativity

[tall anchor]

I'm just trying to explain it more easily because i'm less sleep deprived than daraxus

[finite vine]

uh huh. not sure what u are saying

[worthy flower]

only present when crystal is active

[analog frigate]

we don't feel it due to it being relative to us

as in

[finite vine]

lmao thats not how gravity works

you mean we dont feel it on earth?

[tall anchor]

No, rather that the properties of the crystal aren't passively strong enough on earth

[analog frigate]

if everything of us is within that gravitational feel, we relatively feel the same as if another field with a different force (let's say earth) is affecting us

[worthy flower]

did we come to a agreement to whether the teleportation crystal was anomalous or constructed?

[finite vine]

so you guys are saying that the time dilatation is caused by the crystals on Red Alpha, because of their gravitational influence

[tall anchor]

again, there's probably metric tons of the crystal on red alpha

[analog frigate]

if you push and pull equally on every particle, no apparent force exists

[tall anchor]

versus what? a couple small ones on earth?

[analog frigate]

no

generally

[finite vine]

true. but for a small crystal to dilate time so much, it would have to actually rip us apart if it was right next to us.

[analog frigate]

on earth our particles are just pulled more down to the centre of mass to earth

so we feel that force

[finite vine]

yes

[analog frigate]

why so

if every infinitely small point feels an equal force in every way, there is no apparent force

[tall anchor]

Yes, but a small crystal would need to be activated in some way to do something

[finite vine]

I would have to look up another equation to get the actual numbers, but an acceleration of 9m/s due to gravity does not even cause any time dilation that is perceivable.

[analog frigate]

it can't pull us apart because an equal force is squishing us, it can't squish us since it's pulling us apart equally

[tall anchor]

We don't just teleport for no good reason, we touch or supply a charge to the crystal

[analog frigate]

probably somehow activate it

[finite vine]

every point does not feel an equal force in every way if a crystal causing time dilation due to gravity is right next to us.

[analog frigate]

don't think of it as a point

it's a field

[finite vine]

yea, i know

its not like every part of the crystal is around us

[subtle verge]

Do you think a Dr. Stokes log might give us a clue/hint?

[analog frigate]

it's not the crystal that causes it

[subtle verge]

Hearsay on. This is Dr. Stokes. I uhh… I have some dots on artifacts 13, 14 and 17. I’m referring to these items as “The Data Blocks”, my theory is that the Blocks hold digital data of some description. We haven’t found a way to access this data yet, but I have James working on an interface. The Blocks share design aesthetics with the Matter Wave Projector. As far as I can tell they are constructed of similar materials… Dr. Hammerstein disagrees, but he always does so… useless. I’m confident the Blocks are supposed to attach to the Matter Wave Projector, unfortunately the workers who discovered these artifacts also disappeared. The fact they can’t be found anywhere in Garganta and that BIOCOM literally has no trace of their BioSigs anywhere, is remarkable. I’m trying not to speculate too much but they went “somewhere”! We’re looking into the possibility that the behavior of the artifacts may be inhibited or regulated in some manner by Cretasium 77A. It has been found in large quantities throughout the fossil and it’s the only material that does not disappear when introduced to the… hello? Hello? Dr. Hammerstein? Uhm… where was I? Uh… pause recording.

[finite vine]

if it was, we would be ripped to pieces anyway

[analog frigate]

you're still thinking of it as a point

it's an equal field

[subtle verge]

We’re looking into the possibility that the behavior of the artifacts may be inhibited or regulated in some manner by Cretasium 77A. It has been found in large quantities throughout the fossil and it’s the only material that does not disappear when introduced to the… hello? Hello? more directly.

[finite vine]

for the forces to cancel out, our bodies would need to take the load

[analog frigate]

it's not coming from a direction

a wave property aligns with what you're saying

this is an induced field from every direction equally

[finite vine]

if this were the case, we would be floating on earth right now. the force due to gravity influences the object toward the mass associated with the acceleration due to gravity.

[analog frigate]

what?

i don't see why that would be the case

i'm talking about a wormhole

[finite vine]

bruh

[analog frigate]

not a mass source inducing gravity from a point

[finite vine]

I don't understand.

[analog frigate]

the black ball is the crystal

[finite vine]

gravity can only be a field

gravity applies an acceleration in meters per second in the direction of the mass causing the gravity

[finite vine]

ima draw something real quick

[analog frigate]

i'll have to go in 10 minutes

[finite vine]

that's what it would look like if the crystal was influencing the object with a large gravitational force, and canceling out on all sides. the object in the pic below would not be moving.

[analog frigate]

hmm

[finite vine]

for the gravitational force to cancel out on all sides, you would have to have crystals all around the object

[analog frigate]

well that's why we sit on a platform

[finite vine]

the same distance from the object

[analog frigate]

and there are big

lightning things around us

[finite vine]

you meant to teleport?

[analog frigate]

yeah

the teleportation room

[finite vine]

well think about this, if a large gravitational force would open up in that portal room, everything in the room would break apart and fly towards it.

[analog frigate]

maybe it induces an equal force opposite, as to prevent that

i'll just go now

my rambling currently will reach nowhere

[finite vine]

yea this is a rabbit hole lol

its confusing

[analog frigate]

cya

[finite vine]

cya

[finite vine]

I kinda over read this part of the discussion. I thought you were saying that the natural crystals themselves on Red Alpha were causing the time dilatation instead of velocity because of their gravitational influences, because gravity also causes time dilatation (in addition to velocity).
This cannot be the case though, because the amount of gravity required to warp time that much would literally rip the planet apart if it came from the crystals on Red Alpha. (in addition with ripping us apart.)
Now knowing that you were talking about gravity and how it relates to worm holes, I would have to say this: Assuming that once we create a worm hole to jump to Red Alpha, a large gravitational force occurs, warping time, and the time dilation is a result of the transit, A few things would have to happen for this to check out if all of this occurred during jump transit:

1. The gravitational force would have to be equal in all directions within the projection radius, and not influence anything outside the projection radius. (kinda impossible but lets just assume because its a worm hole).
2. (Number 2 is important) If the plants aged 5 months, they would literally need to age 5 months. There is no way to speed up time for the person that is aging. That means every time someone jumped through the worm hole, they would spend 5 months warping through. The person that jumped would appear to be in transit for a week for someone observing (anyone not warping), and the people warping would be in transit for 5 months in their perspective.
3. The gravitational force would have to be applied within transit as well (not sure how that would work).

We can observe that it does not take 5 months to jump, so I don't think the time dilation would occur in warp transit (if time dilation occurs at all). The most important point is point #2, because in order to confirm #1 and #3, I would have to google some time dilatation equations with relation to gravity.

[subtle verge]

I think I'm following here, not the most knowledgeable when it comes to physics/astrophysics, but I believe #2 might have a part with the reason a quantum tether would be in place, as it keeps both sides at a 1:1 time ratio with one another while that tether exists.

... Theoretically.*

[finite vine]

could be possible, but if the time dilatation occurred within the warp, it would still be a week to warp if it was a 1:1 ratio

Unless the quantum tether literally speeds up time.

damn this makes no sense lol, time slows down due to time dilatation, but the quantum tether speeds it up. literally makes no sense. I think we can ignore time dilatation for a while now lmao.

whatever is killing the plants is in the atmosphere

[eternal talon]

this is as complicated as it probably should be

[finite vine]

lol

[subtle verge]

I more mean that the tether would keep both ends at a 1:1 ratio, whereas the "in-between" is a doorway that one "steps through" theoretically. Unless we're thinking about it all wrong, because they do talk about 'temporal progression' during the initial startup of the jump gate.

Sorry, "non temporal progression"

[finite vine]

oh ok. but the thing is, the plants literally age 5 months if time dilatation occurs. so what is happening to the perception of that time once we go through?

[subtle verge]

Honestly, I couldn't tell you. I wish I grew up to be an astrophysicist instead of a hazmat guy. Lmfao.

"Temporal regulators" is a term used. I just... don't really know where to start to understand it.

[finite vine]

yea

[solar nova]

If I had to guess, it's probably a wormhole-esque technology and they need to make sure it's going through space but not through time.

[finite vine]

but if it doesn't go through time then how do the plants age?

[solar nova]

Might have been an error on their part.

[subtle verge]

Well, the tether is cut from the time they send the objects through.

[finite vine]

true, but I feel like its something from the atmosphere.

[eternal talon]

time travel is either nonsense, or it's worldlines.

[solar nova]

I'm inclined to agree.

[finite vine]

like the water was wicked away or something. or something ate the plants/ sucked the water out of them.

[solar nova]

I'm just explaining the "temporal regulators" (or providing a possible explanation).

[solar nova]

Not necessarily. There's some philosophy here, but one proposed solution to time paradoxes is that they are impossible because... well, they're just impossible. It just so happens that if you went back in time to alter your past, you would be incapable of doing so.

[subtle verge]

Yeah, I mean it makes the most sense. The only things I can find about "temporal regulation" are all about gene compression.

[solar nova]

It's extremely strange, and unintuitive, but it's not at odds with the physics per-say.

[solar nova]

The environmental story-telling in this game is quite strong, I think it did a good job of carrying the game in R1 and R2 especially.

[eternal talon]

yeh

[subtle verge]

I wish I had played it seriously when I bought it back then.

[eternal talon]

don't be. way harder than now.

[subtle verge]

I feel like I'm missing a lot of environmental context.

[eternal talon]

game is like 5x easier than it used to be.

[solar nova]

Compared to what?

[eternal talon]

before checkpoints. before boosters.

[solar nova]

Eh, you can still get the experience w/out them if you have willing people (or luck into it).

[eternal talon]

i guess not easier, but less punishing

[solar nova]

Fair.

It dragged after a while, though, I think.

There were points where I considered modding the game to practice segments (mainly R4E1 secondary) even.

[eternal talon]

uh oh

we don't talk about modding here

isn't that still a ban-able offense?

[solar nova]

As long as you don't push it.

[eternal talon]

i remember there was alot of controversy about that back in the day.

[solar nova]

The rules have changed considerably.

[eternal talon]

honestly i just stayed out of it. no reason to really mod anyway.

[solar nova]

On the subject of environmental story-telling, though...

Tiles make you think about what these rooms were used for, especially for their distinctive environments.

[eternal talon]

i like that some doors give audio logs now.

[solar nova]

Enemies were just... weird, made you wonder why they are the way that they are.

[eternal talon]

i think.. thing is it's difficult to have an "intro to gtfo lore" because soooo much of it is speculation to be "up to date" with what the community is thinking\

rather than what is confirmed

[solar nova]

Special threats especially, you get the sense that chargers, shadows, and birthers all have purpose, and that they've repurposed regions of the complex for something.

[eternal talon]

this game doesn't ever give the full story on just about anything. 95% of it is bits and pieces. the point is for us to piece it together ourselves, a dev said in here the other day.

[solar nova]

Yeah, it's interesting since the story is compelling not for any sort of progression but by virtue of the picture we have at any given moment.

What do we know, what are we looking forward to?

[eternal talon]

well, right now, more info on red alpha, and what's inside the meteor.

[subtle verge]

The plan is to update that as we learn more, to give newcomers a solid standing for what it is that we do in here and whatnot. Daraxus and I spent about an hour making an introduction to the channel with a big disclaimer stating that 90% of what we talk about in here is speculation and theory based on what we have available to us.

It's mainly just to help the newer folks out.

[solar nova]

Rhetorical question.

[subtle verge]

So we don't get wild theories that either make no sense or that we've established already.

[eternal talon]

well i mean, yeah. some stuff is wright out, like that one dudes' "ttt"

but i mean, some other stuff is interesting enough if plausable

i think the difficult part is putting it all together into theories that explain everything or just about everything

because the concrete stuff is hard to come by and is really on a case-by-case basis.

[subtle verge]

Biggest thing I always recommend to newcomers: just have an open mind, be willing to accept that you're wrong. Hopefully that becomes more commonplace in the future. Lmao.

And yeah, that's true.

[eternal talon]

yeah, i mean that's totally true. some people get so dedicated to their headcannons that they outright deny evidence that points against it, and that kinda drives a splinter within the community that, really doesn't make any sense.

[subtle verge]

And I do hope that 10c remains with the storytelling model that makes you second-guess yourself. I'm not a fan of being spoon fed lore. I like this "there are some right theories, and there are some less than right theories" narrative.

[eternal talon]

stuff like, "oh that thing schaeffer heard talking is X, or oh, no, it was totally X, i have y z to prove it!" or whatever, alot of the conversations need to be looked at with a constructive lens to get anywhere

[eternal talon]

well i mean, that's kind of the nature of being spoon fed. you theorize so much that a couple of puzzle pieces are bound to not fit.

[solar nova]

The writing is really strong I think partly because many of the logs that give us a lot of info are extremely mundane emails between different people.

[eternal talon]

sometimes the lack of telling is good storytelling.

but yeah, it really depends on how it's done

[solar nova]

Def true of the environment as well.

Floodways I think does this really well.

[eternal talon]

shit like using science and weather patterns to find out details that even the devs wouldn't know, i think that stuff is great and amazing. that kinda thing is what fuels engagement

stuff like the sandstorms, or the clouds on red alpha. ground pressure and heat, esc esc

[solar nova]

You're not really told anything about it, but its name is self-explanatory and the trucks and grow beds tell you that it's been used for alternative purposes by Kovac and Insight (for transport and research respectively).

[eternal talon]

fuck, i spent like 4 hours the other day, just walking around alpha two. just exploring, and taking pictures for the lore channel.

[solar nova]

The real question is whether or not the "moon" on D1 is actually a moon, or if it's something else entirely (like a white dwarf).

[eternal talon]

well we see the sun in b1, so i dunno. i suppose it depends.

[solar nova]

Could be a binary system.

[eternal talon]

on like star charts, their rotation relative to the planet, all kinds of stuff

[eternal talon]

even so, it wouldn't be a consistant thing, to see only one sun at day and one sun at night

because that depends on the rotation of the planet, and so so many other things

[solar nova]

I'd imagine.

[eternal talon]

if you had to theorize, what do you personally think is down in the meteor?

in terms of sleeper related stuff, gelology, allens, whatever

[pure folio]

I think parasites that infect humans that turn them into sleepers

that's all I got

[eternal talon]

well, yeah. that, and nam-v are kinda the defacto thing

the main, "deadly pair" in the game's universe so to speak

[solar nova]

Something flying-saucer-esque, just my impression of learning the data blocks and matter wave projector were apparently just found down there.

[eternal talon]

well i mean, the meteor is 9 miles (15km) wide.

so i personally would think something like ruins, maybe a bunker or an outpost, given it's a chunk of their planet and not a dedicated ship, we could see a base, or whatever. some sort of alien structures and ruins given the time involved (65mil years)

think the tau volantis city in dead space 3

[solar nova]

Ah, my impression is that it's a dedicated ship, and that's just how far their technology has come.

Could also be that they can live on meteors, and this one is just decrepit.

The fact that nearly the entire thing is made of Cretasium, though, makes me feel that it must be at least somewhat intentional.

[eternal talon]

well i mean, i guess it could be a proper meteor, i hadn't thought of that, but i'm more inclined to belive it's just a reinforced chunk of red alpha. given it didn't destroy itself on collision with earth.

[solar nova]

That, or the whole thing was pulled from another dimension or something, potentially unintentionally.

[eternal talon]

well we don't really know if red alpha is in another dimention, it could just be in a galaxy far far away. using teleportation as a means of "FTL"

[solar nova]

I prefer the alternate dimension idea just because it would easily explain the fictional material.

Half-life takes that road.

It could also be something like an alloy, though, and it's just beyond our technology to manufacture it.

(X-COM takes that route).

[eternal talon]

with like xen? i guess so, but xen isn't.. it's sort of it's own thing. it doesn't have stars, or a solar system, it's just kinda a void with floating rocks.

[subtle verge]

Personally? I think we would find something akin to an ant's nest; chambers upon tunnels upon chambers that lead to different mainstays; like a 'queen' chamber, breeding grounds, maybe even a waste chamber, etc.

I don't really know, honestly.

[solar nova]

In HL2, the Combine uses a number of materials for their structures and weapons that, iirc, are trans-dimensional.

[eternal talon]

i know xen was the 'border world' with earth, but i'm not too in depth with half-life lore

[solar nova]

I could see this, but I'd lean more towards them repurposing "the fossil" rather than being the reason for how it's constructed. Similar idea to how birthers build nests in pre-existing chambers of the complex.

[eternal talon]

so like, alien chambers and zones and stuff? cool. i wonder how 10 chambers would do alien architecture and design for a new level layout.

also what's "the fossil"?

[subtle verge]

The Fossil is what some people call 'the egg'

iirc

[eternal talon]

so, the inner metal bit of the meteor?

[subtle verge]

I assume that's what they mean since they find Cretasium 77A there, as well.

It's also what the [redacted] log is about.

[eternal talon]

hm. could be a big allen structure or something. given it'd probably have to be airtight for the journey from red alpha to earth, even though it failed, (i mean, the virus and parasite got in).

did the miners crack that with the 7 different drill heads? or was that just for the meteor?

[subtle verge]

This is...

No, it wasn't the meteor.

March 20th, 2051 is that email.

And final depth reached was...

August 17th, 2051.

[finite vine]

final depth meaning 1.5k meters. the “Egg” is at around 2k meters. this log could be describing the drilling down to the egg

I’m also gonna consider that the “egg” and the meteor are the same thing.

[subtle verge]

I was responding to Losty's drill bit question. 😄

[finite vine]

ah ok my bad

[subtle verge]

All good, my guy!

[finite vine]

is it safe to assume that the egg and the meteor are the same thing?

I think the fossil is something within the egg

[subtle verge]

I think the fossil is the egg? Because of log...

WKRP-817-CIN.LOG

Unless it's referring to something inside of it, then I'm unsure.

[finite vine]

the fossil was coined by dr hammerstein during his analysis of “the inner” and I don’t think he would use two different phrases to describe the same thing

i believe the log i’m talking about was found in r6d2

[subtle verge]

The redacted email?

[finite vine]

yea

the redacted email comes long after the deep scan of the egg, so presumably they have already penetrated the egg and released the sleepers/ nam-v/ what ever was in there. then they used legion to get deeper for protection to reach the fossil and the inner, where the hammerstein artifacts are found. then they broke through one special chamber within the inner and that’s when the autogen explosions happened on october 11th 2053. that’s how i see it anyway

it all happened within about a little over a year of the deep scan

[subtle verge]

Hmm.. it's definitely a possibility, however I don't think they would have released the sleepers in that way, as there is no mention of it by Hammerstein, and judging by how crazy the initial defense was, I feel they would have been overrun in seconds being that close to the core hive.

[finite vine]

schaeffer does mention it, in the log that describes the mole cracking through something on october 11th, 2053, like sleepers have already been a problem for some time.

there are also mentions of needed kso’s in deeper expeditions.

[subtle verge]

Any idea which rundown?

Nevermind, found it.

Mole one only talks about Jordy getting a nice Rip & Tear merry-go-round.

OH, I found it.

Was looking for the wrong thing.

[finite vine]

it’s the biocom illicit communication

[subtle verge]

So Jordy took the Rip & Tear around August 11th, Schaeffer's email to Arty was October 10th, the redacted email was Oct. 2nd.

[finite vine]

BCOM-3ED-0946.LOG

I got the date wrong.

the events he were describing took place on october 11th, but the email was sent on the 13th

https://www.notion.so/BIOCOM-illicit-communication-32d89344964844da8c0d11480d59aca6

actually I just found something huge, BCOM-3EG-2419.LOG says “. The temperature readings are off the charts – way in excess of the variance we expected at 2000 “, which is where the top of the egg starts. so maybe the explosions are from cracking the egg open... and the sleepers were a problem way before the egg was even open.

[tall anchor]

As far as I’m aware, the parasite was a problem as of end of 52’

at LEAST before Feb 13th 53

[tall anchor]

if that helps support your theory

[quick grove]

Damn so they kept employees hostage lol

And banned words

[grizzled frost]

Hey guys i started the game recently and want to get in depth into the lore. Is there any place where we can access content from previous rundowns or get detailed summaries of it?

[quick grove]

Erm you can't access the previous rundowns

But there are websites like the wiki that has all the logs audio logs from the previous run downs

Hold up give me a second

[quick grove]

https://www.notion.so/GTFO-Timeline-0e93a62e8cfd44b3a36beb4ab245a2d0

I think that's audio

Credits for punkthullu for sharing that link

https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/Rundown_6.0

And more from punktullu

I also am butchering his name

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HR8ij7DxmU8F-2H4QYqaEnoBQJ1qABHF4l5ml7JTuPI/edit

I've got no idea whos that is but punkthullu posted it

@grizzled frost i think you'll most likely be set with those links you can also watch a few youtube videos that will get you up to speed and stuff

[grizzled frost]

Thanks @quick grove

[quick grove]

If you got any theorys or just want to discuss lore based stuff or if you found stuff do share

[quick grove]

No problem man would love to see what theorys you could come up with

@finite vine @tall anchor @subtle verge @eternal talon mmm what did i miss

[quick grove]

Below L34 sounds quite interesting

[quick grove]

@grizzled frost so uhh hows your uhh deep dive into the lore so far

[lilac island]

I came to get my daily dose of lore

[faint river]

lore is spell with the letters
L O R E

[lilac island]

And i need it

[dim scroll]

Jordy my beloved

[lilac island]

"Scouts are friends"

Idk about that one

[dim scroll]

Scouts are friends indeed

[lilac island]

They didn't enjoy contact very much

Scouts are Karen

[dim scroll]

no u

[lilac island]

Yes i scream a lot when they bring everyone

But that's fear

[quick grove]

You what isn't a friend of me knife in the game

The giants

I be breaking ankles when im toe to toe with a giant

Cue the jotaro and dio walk scene i guess

[lilac island]

Dude

This need a draw

[quick grove]

A draw?

[lilac island]

A meme

[quick grove]

Oh ye

[lilac island]

The 4 guys walking to a giant

Jojo style

[quick grove]

Ay thats be a mad thing tho

[lilac island]

I might pay someone to do it

[quick grove]

With the scattergun lmao

[cobalt mulch]

i want a drawing of two scouts w/ tentacles all jumbled and tangled up like the jellyfish in aquariums, "ow ow quit it" - "ow ow ow ooooWWWW" " 😄 "

[eternal talon]

uhh, timeline talk, "ttt", on the topic of working together as a community regarding lore and theories, gravity and the crystals, a bunch of stuff

[wispy torrent]

Where do i start

[dim scroll]

pinned message

[subtle verge]

Hey, there! We have a summary and FAQ in the pinned messages; we also have a timeline of logs there, and we also have an official wiki that has all of the logs listed. We're still updating it with transcripts of certain audio logs, but that will be done before too long. https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/Rundown_6.0

[wispy torrent]

Ok thanks👍

[subtle verge]

My pleasure! If you have any questions, please feel free to ask!

[tall anchor]

Basically, there was an idea that the crystals are dialating time somehow

[dim scroll]

how come ?

Like piezoelectric ores ?

[tall anchor]

Because there’s two problems. 1- the crystals have to make literal thousands of suns worth of energy, and 2- the plants have to die somehow over a longer period of time relative to the three days on earth.

[dim scroll]

for the 1st problem i think it could be justified by other mechanisms that could only be known to aliens

I don't understand the 2nd problem though

[tall anchor]

Well, the plant capsules were sent over 3 days before dr durant, and he remarks that the plants shouldn’t have died for weeks even in red alpha’s environment, and they look like they’ve been dead for months

[subtle verge]

He did also note that the container was popped open likely during transit.

So the environment could have wracked the plants.

[dim scroll]

So the crystals "steal" time in the environment ?

i think the word should be "absorb" actually

Such that time around the crystals is compressed

[tall anchor]

Yeah, red alpha would have to be going something like 0.99x the speed of light though

Which assuming the crystals do it all passively and equally in a certain radius, then it would be possible

(because otherwise we’d be ripped apart instantly)

[dim scroll]

yup

That's assuming red alpha is in the current universe

Otherwise the laws of physics may not be entirely applied if it comes from another dimension

[placid beacon]

agreed

hence popularity in supporting alternate dimensions from my end

[finite vine]

it’s more likely for something in the atmosphere be the cause of the plants dying faster than expected though.

[eternal talon]

ehh, who knows what kind of elements would exist in alternate solar systems/galaxies.

[dim scroll]

Another explanation would be, as skyrope said, that something undetected is messing up with the plants

It may be something we don't have the tools to detect it

[elfin wing]

@eternal talon

[maiden crystal]

my dad

my dad says that the plants are special, time travelling plants sent by @quick grove through time, to prove the existence of time travel