the floaties couldn't have made the artifacts, either anyhow. they have tentacles, yeah, but they just seem to flail around
#gtfo-lore
analog frigate
we don't have any logical explanations on why the artefacts exist
eternal talon
but i'm still betting some other species of allen more advanced made the tech and the artifacts.
analog frigate
granted, we don't know what they are capable of un-infected,
judging by how red alpha looks, about the same probably
eternal talon
we don't have any logical explanations on why the artefacts exist
yeah we do. they came from whatever species sent the meteor and was infected to be the 'original sleepers' the miners cracked into and encountered.
analog frigate
that's not an explanation
that's just what we know
but the real why? is uncertain
eternal talon
you mean what they do?
eternal talon
alien stuff, probably.
analog frigate
that's the part i have issues with
eternal talon
it seems rather cut and dry to me.
the meteor was sent by some species, given infected of them were already found within the meteor when the miners cracked it.
and the artifacts were found with them
same with the teleport tech that humans used to make the matter wave projector
from the crystal thingy
so as for the artifacts,
analog frigate
we have no mention or anything that an intelligent species made them. well the artefacts were made by someone or something but there have been no mentions of anything so i currently can't exactly agree on theories on why they exist since they aren't based on anything but just guesses
eternal talon
probably just some thing the allens used. had to have had some purpose to be kept in great quantity by them.
analog frigate
the crystals are a natural thing on red alpha
eternal talon
something like that doesn't just 'happen'. and with the crystals that let humans teleport, the human scientists had to have known from somewhere that the crystals could even do that.
in the first place
also doesn't explain what infected were in the meteor. just too many factors point to an advanced allen race fleeing red alpha. confirmed? no. but most of the data points to it.
everything just lines up so cleanly that until otherwise stated, it's basically the de-facto.
analog frigate
well that's your opinion on it
eternal talon
and what's yours?
eternal talon
well i mean the point of this channel is lore and theorycrafting to explain what information we have.
analog frigate
there isn't enough evidence for me to form a logical idea
so i am going to wait for the extension
eternal talon
gtfo isn't really known to be cut and dry. it's a big foggy mess of info.
analog frigate
i am quite familiar with that
eternal talon
so i am going to wait for the extension
as am i. excited to see if we get any more info
analog frigate
except i prefer keeping things out of guesswork and more so proved by a thesis
not saying that yours is guesswork
i see why you think what you think
but i personally don't feel it's completely right
eternal talon
well no, there are probably some differences, but it's probably as close as we can get with a rough idea.
analog frigate
true
eternal talon
it isn't certain lore, but if someone asks "what's the current story?" it's probably the closest explanation that can be given. with the additional info that we don't have concrete info on the details, of course.
but mostly because info on red alpha is so vague as of rn in the first place.
i remember way back when people thought the virus-parasite was entirely a fungal-parasite way back in r1.
not an entirely correct theory, but we were close.
it wouldn't surprise me if some of the devs read this lore channel to see what the community is up to and the current theories.
would just be interesting to get their opinion on it. 🙂
analog frigate
all of them are 🤐
eternal talon
ah.
i didn't mean what was true in lore,
just their opinions on the community's theories.
analog frigate
almsot none
i think the last time it wasn't remaining quiet was doc saying "some of your theories are correct, some aren't that much"
eternal talon
i honestly don't get why that one guy is addicted to the theory of time travel
of all the current ones, it's by far and away the least plausible.
harsh saffron
I like the time travel theory 
eternal talon
part of me wants us to never see the allens, but just the tech and stuff they left behind.
subtle verge
I'm talking to one of my buddies who has a doctorate in physics, works for NASA. Getting his opinion on what we have. He's a pretty busy guy so it's been a bit slow, but hoping to get insight from a pro.
tall anchor
that's cool
scenic yacht
Does anyone have a picture of the tiny "baby" hsu?
harsh saffron
Does anyone have a picture of the tiny "baby" hsu?
In any specific state?
scenic yacht
I was just thinking any picture showing the full thing would do
scenic yacht
lol i can say that i've never seen it open before, thanks for that
harsh saffron
np ^^
scenic yacht
though from the picture im noticing its hard to get a sense of scale. Is there a picture that showcases it's size a bit more?
scenic yacht
ok thanks!
is there a explanation for the neonate hsu being connected to a neural frame?
solar nova
is there a explanation for the neonate hsu being connected to a neural frame?
Nope, seems like it's a future plot point.
Could be related to the RISE project, as this is a new thing in R6 logs that hasn't been explained and seems like it might be related to neonate HSUs.
tall anchor
the baby
solar nova
D-Lock Block Cipher
alias:int_server.1024_ciph.tier5.kds_ops/DLockwoodA074.flagged
From: Andre Piros A134
To: Dean Lockwood A074
Date: April 15th 2054
Subject: Shipment
Dean,
The KDS shipment will be arriving this week. This delivery is to be dispatched immediately to our private vault. They are NOT to be delivered to the usual Hydrostasis holding vault. A Kovac representative will meet you at the vault entrance and take things over from there.
These HSUs have been allocated to the Rise Project. They are not to be unpacked or interacted with in any way by anyone other than a Kovac representative with Tier 5 clearance. Please instruct your staff accordingly.
Andre Piros
What was KDS Deep for again?
solar nova
D-Lock Block Cipher
Sender: Janson Davies
Receiver: Anders Johanson
Date: May 10th, 2052
Subject: Re: Deep
Anders,
The board at Santonian have decided that the offer is acceptable.
Santonian will allocate a further 30,000 sqm of space for KDS Deep. This is in addition to the existing area you have allocated for Legion storage and the Biocom installation.
Kovac will have exclusive administration of the area. No Santonian employee will enter the area without express permission from Kovac. Exceptions will be made for select individuals, to be outlined in the full contract. I would personally be interested in a brief tour of the new location and an informal meeting to further discuss the RISE project, but that would be as a personal favor to me and would not influence any agreement between yourselves and Santonian.
In exchange for this new accommodation, Kovac will expand security duties both in the Garganta facility, and throughout the exclusion zone surrounding Chicxulub. Kovac will provide escort teams to all Santonian mining crews as they continue to excavate and expand Garganta and will provide military support for Project Insight explorations into the Fossil.
As always, I am merely a broker in this agreement. The Santonian Mining Company is a self-managed organization. Dreyfus Industries have never, and still do not dictate policy or direction to the Santonian Mining Company, we merely offer advice when requested. The board at Santonian make the decisions and are responsible for any policies enacted by the company.
J.
Housing BIOCOM, storing Legion HSUs, and having an elevator to sub-1km depths.
tall anchor
General speculation is that BIOCOM is the Warden, correct?
solar nova
D-Lock Block Cipher
alias:int_server.1024_ciph.tier5.kds_ops/DLockwoodA074.flagged
From: Andre Piros A134
To: Dean Lockwood A074
Date: Oct April 16th 2054
Subject: Re: Re: Shipment
Dean,
Thank you for the correction. I have spoken to coordinator Harriet Lorde and made the necessary arrangements.
If you haven’t been informed, I assume you don’t need to know. I suggest you speak to Anders if you have questions.
Andre
—--------------------
D-Lock Block Cipher
alias:int_server.1024_ciph.tier5.kds_ops/APirosA134.flagged
Why are you sending this to me? Is this the kind of crap Clinton used to deal with? Contact your area coordinator. That’s why we have them.
Also, what the hell is the Rise Project?
Dean Lockwood
—--------------------
D-Lock Block Cipher
alias:int_server.1024_ciph.tier5.kds_ops/DLockwoodA074.flagged
Dean,
The KDS shipment will be arriving this week. This delivery is to be dispatched immediately to our private vault. They are NOT to be delivered to the usual Hydrostasis holding vault. A Kovac representative will meet you at the vault entrance and take things over from there.
These HSUs have been allocated to the Rise Project. They are not to be unpacked or interacted with in any way by anyone other than a Kovac representative with Tier 5 clearance. Please instruct your staff accordingly.
Andre Piros
Yes.
Seems very likely.
tall anchor
okay cool
solar nova
24x neonatal HS units
12x cases N-33S_endocrine_stimulator
12x cases gambogic amide ampules
4x catalyzer chambers
16x Synthetic NGF protein clusters
Delivery Confirmation:: B-522 Xavier Lightfoot
Note: Goods received by KDS representative #00118-G at Zone 45 Area B checkpoint as per instructions.
This might be related to the RISE logs, it's unclear.
Also, 30km^2 of space is fucking huge.
tall anchor
So the legion program is basically 'haha no memories, you're now programmed to do what we tell you b/c you effed up' and Kovac had a large legion storage site in Gargantua
tall anchor
Is there a reason to why santonian?
Or is it because of the leverage they have on santonian about the artifact
solar nova
Why what Santonian?
tall anchor
Why did kovak choose gargantua/santonian as a place to hold their soldiers
I understand why mexico/south america, that makes sense to me.
solar nova
They need investors. They've lost support from the U.S. government and Dreyfus happens to be a massive private corporation that can fund them.
tall anchor
Ohh yes
Because there's no iridium for them to sell b/c it's Creatserum 77a
Which makes sense, because they're going to have to recoup their investment, almost no-one makes money off of scientific achievement
solar nova
Not really, that affects Santonian and Dreyfus rather than Kovac, and is arguably a good thing. Kovac doesn't really care about Dreyfus's specific investments, they just need funding.
tall anchor
Is santonian owned by dreyfus then?
and then kovak wants funding from dreyfus, and they need hidden/covert facililty space, Dreyfus goes 'hey what about our iridium mine'
solar nova
Yes, Dreyfus is the parent company.
The logs suggest that Kovac learned of Garganta and what was happening there, and they found security risks they could offer to fix.
tall anchor
Ah, and that leads into state of truth am
because there's a few bits about NAM-V in there
solar nova
In general, they're selling their services to Santonian (and, by extension, Dreyfus), and they happen to be valuable to them. It seems like they also have their own research projects they use the space for.
tall anchor
C: Like mangled, mutilated, bones bent and broken, skin changing into… I don’t know... That’s why they are burning the bodies, to get rid of the evidence.
that's just NAM-V exposure, right?
solar nova
Probably.
tall anchor
Because the bones being bent and that kind of thing is similar to how it's being called stoop throat
solar nova
It seems like they also have their own research projects they use the space for.
To correct this, in exchange for their services Santonian and Dreyfus provide Kovac with funding and space to store their equipment and take on their own research projects.
It seems like this is something Kovac is getting on their end of the bargain.
tall anchor
Yeah, b/c they wanted more security in exchange for 30sqkm
solar nova
Actually, I think I've misunderstood the m^2 to km^2 conversion.
dim scroll
It really must hurt like hell to have teeth grow on our face
solar nova
I don't think it's just m/1,000
solar nova
From m² to km² it's m/1000²
Makes sense.
So 30,000 m^2 is pretty big, but it's not that absurdly huge.
dim scroll
With an area 100 m wide, assuming it's a square, you already get 10 000 m²
So yeah it's not that enormous
dim scroll
yeah
solar nova
So it's close to a 174m by 174m square (although of an unspecific shape in the log), so that's not super unreasonable.
tall anchor
Still a shedload of space
solar nova
That's probably enough space for a single large facility or set of facilities.
eternal talon
@scenic yacht
solar nova
Dah bb
dim scroll
Bebi
finite vine
any theories on why the objective for r3 was to resuscitate it and hook it up to an N-Frame?
solar nova
Probably something related to the RISE project, but very hard to know right now.
eternal talon
you are SO lucky i had a picture with a players' foot in it since you wanted to know it to scale
solar nova
We know very little about the project, and we don't know anything about the pMother trial samples (project Mother?).
eternal talon
that was well over a year ago
finite vine
Probably *something* related to the RISE project, but very hard to know right no...
yea I read those two logs u posted above, they seem like they are related.
the rise project and the shipment
solar nova
We know N-Frames read and write data, so we might be either reading something in the neonate's DNA that we'll need later or we need to write something to it relevant to the project.
That's the best speculation I have for you.
finite vine
yep. my current theory is that it has something to do with NAM-V. specifically the major DNA mutations it causes to humans. maybe the warden is trying to find a way to mitigate the effects of NAM-V by changing something with the future generations DNA.
there is like little to no evidence for my theory thou, its just speculation
solar nova
We have the R3 uplink objective where we're retrieving "Neural Imprinting Protocols" for the nFrame, so this is presumably what we're doing with it.
finite vine
imprinting is something that occurs in really young animals, that changes their instinct/ behavior. for example, a young goose, once imprinted, will follow its future mating partner around, and once mature, will mate.
so idk how this would relate to a human
possibly with survival instincs?
genes can also be imprinted into DNA, genetic imprinting.
eternal oar
What's up with the whole "sending prisoners into big hole" thing. I read the lore... summary? in pinned, but I'm wondering why are they prisoners. Are all humanity prisoners, or just a select few?
eternal talon
@eternal oar most of humanity is dead.
eternal talon
i know the players are essentially hostages held by the warden, i personally don't know about the rest.
eternal oar
yeah
finite vine
What's up with the whole "sending prisoners into big hole" thing. I read the lor...
prisoners are made up of death row inmates (woods), volunteers that know about the program (hackett) and basically anyone that dreyfus industries/ kds does not like (bishop).
worthy flower
i know the players are essentially hostages held by the warden, i personally don...
you loaded the old rundown to go hunting for the black biomass?
worthy flower
this
eternal talon
save on my steam
worthy flower
ah
eternal oar
prisoners are made up of death row inmates (woods), volunteers that know about t...
seems like a purely volunteer force would be a better option, but what do I know
finite vine
seems like a purely volunteer force would be a better option, but what do I know
well its kinda illegal
eternal oar
they probably have implants and stuff to keep them willing and motivated
Does legality matter much anymore
eternal talon
@eternal oar it's mind control.
finite vine
the only reason hackett knew about legion was because he worked for kds
eternal talon
the hsus' wipe people minds and remove their memories
finite vine
legion operatives minds are wiped, so they really dont know any better honestly
mystic pilot
there is only the mission
finite vine
also I think chemicals were mentioned as well, to keep them mitigated and mindless
eternal talon
correct me if i'm wrong, but didn't it take months/years to fully wipe woods and bishops' memories?
mystic pilot
no i will not turn back, my orders are to explore the planet, survival wasnt part of that
finite vine
correct me if i'm wrong, but didn't it take months/years to fully wipe woods and...
yea I think so
mystic pilot
mfw bishop
solar nova
no i will not turn back, my orders are to explore the planet, survival wasnt par...
Chad theory. There's a reason Bishop is on the main team.
finite vine
also I think chemicals were mentioned as well, to keep them mitigated and mindle...
something is that is odd though, legion operatives under control by BIOCOM and KDS are actually mindless zombies, and operatives under control of the Warden actually have some humility and resistance
eternal talon
warden could be faulty, given who's gonna perform maintenance on an evil ai?
eternal talon
sauce
mystic pilot
Hes trying ok
eternal talon
@finite vine are these companies even still around given what happened on the surface?
finite vine
we dont know
eternal talon
what/who is around in the time of the game, and is the warden a part of any of them? or is it just a sentient ai (sorta like glados)
mystic pilot
well they supplied the tech for the mars mission in HSUs
finite vine
I think they probably are, at least a small amount of powerful people from them.
finite vine
maybe they brainwashed the astronauts
the astronauts lost their memory due to a side effect of being in the hsu's for so long
subtle verge
and restarted on mars
I'd be open to this idea if the mission to mars didn't end in catastrophic death for the nauts.
mystic pilot
it did?
subtle verge
Yep yep.
mystic pilot
i didnt read that log
eternal talon
99% of humanity is dead. wholesale.
mystic pilot
considering the mars mission wasnt alot of people, they couldve easily escaped nam V
eternal talon
the only humans left are the prisoners, and probably whatever government is left
finite vine
considering the mars mission wasnt alot of people, they couldve easily escaped n...
well I dont even think that NAM-V was known about when the mars missions took place
eternal talon
considering the mars mission wasnt alot of people, they couldve easily escaped n...
you don't get how lethal nam-v is.
finite vine
what year did the missions take place?
subtle verge
2035 for Mars mission.
mystic pilot
??
finite vine
yea for sure, no one knew about NAM-V that long ago
mystic pilot
namv was released after the mission
subtle verge
NAM-V didn't exist back then.
finite vine
namv was released after the mission
NAM-V started to show up in about 2052
mystic pilot
exactly
eternal talon
nam-v is the name of the virus, isn't it?
subtle verge
NAM-V came around around 2048-2049.
eternal talon
the virus is ancient
finite vine
NAM-V came around around 2048-2049.
really?
quick grove
So what did i miss
mystic pilot
therefore the mars mission wouldve been free of it
eternal talon
isn't nam-v the virus??
mystic pilot
the virus is ancient
dim scroll
yes it is
subtle verge
isn't nam-v the virus??
Yes, NAM-V is the virus.
eternal talon
then no, it did exist back then.
subtle verge
Yeah, that's around the time the miners started getting sick.
I'll double check this.
eternal talon
it and the parasite had been around for at minimum tens of millions of years.
quick grove
the virus is ancient
The virus came from a different planet
subtle verge
it and the parasite had been around for at minimum tens of millions of years.
It existed, however it had not had any interaction with mankind, I mean.
Garganta was still in the building process.
dim scroll
Isn't it said NAM-V is hostile to humans only ?
subtle verge
Isn't it said NAM-V is hostile to humans only ?
We theorize.
We don't know if it affects animals or not.
dim scroll
That'd be weird if such a virus didn't spread if not locked in ice
quick grove
Isn't it said NAM-V is hostile to humans only ?
Lmao we don't know this theres no outside communications
eternal talon
I'll double check this.
they didn't "start getting sick", they cracked the meteor and the entire facility was done for. it only lasted 1 month, and i'm shocked it lasted that log. security forces were pog.
eternal talon
Isn't it said NAM-V is hostile to humans only ?
it is theorized it requires the parasite to jump species.
dim scroll
Lmao we don't know this theres no outside communications
Ofc there's none since almost everyone died
finite vine
they didn't "start getting sick", they cracked the meteor and the entire facilit...
nah. there are logs of them rebuilding and fixing things.
mystic pilot
the facility was still operating to a degree when the explosion happened
finite vine
nah. there are logs of them rebuilding and fixing things.
there is a log in 2054, months after the autogen explosions
quick grove
nah. there are logs of them rebuilding and fixing things.
Who the people top side
eternal talon
nah. there are logs of them rebuilding and fixing things.
NAH. facility was doomed from the moment they cracked it. there is mentions of constant sleeper attacks.
quick grove
the facility was still operating to a degree when the explosion happened
And it still is just in heavy lockdown
finite vine
NAH. facility was doomed from the moment they cracked it. there is mentions of c...
yea, but only on expedition outings down into the egg
mystic pilot
operating with not hsu-ed staff
eternal talon
facility only lasted one month because of the security forces.
subtle verge
they didn't "start getting sick", they cracked the meteor and the entire facilit...
Have you honestly read the logs? There's a point in time where the suicide rates are skyrocketing and physical health is declining drastically.
eternal talon
i highly doubt it worked as normal
dim scroll
Have you honestly read the logs? There's a point in time where the suicide rates...
Jordi (Jordy ?) my beloved
subtle verge
At the end of 2052, there's a mandate to social distance.
mystic pilot
it didnt work as normal because the object of study started attacking them
lol
that obviously changes how you operate on many levels, whether youre winning or losing
eternal talon
Have you honestly read the logs? There's a point in time where the suicide rates...
meant loNg not log.
quick grove
yea, but only on expedition outings down into the egg
Oky so they knew sleepers were down there right why fuck with em in the first place
mystic pilot
wasnt the expedition to see what was really down there anyway?
subtle verge
meant loNg not log.
That's aside the point.
finite vine
Oky so they knew sleepers were down there right why fuck with em in the first pl...
its actually really hard to tell if they knew they were down there or not BEFORE they opened the egg.
mystic pilot
i dont think there are many logs on that subject though
quick grove
its actually really hard to tell if they knew they were down there or not BEFORE...
Well after they cracked it sorry
finite vine
its actually really hard to tell if they knew they were down there or not BEFORE...
they knew they were down there once they oppened it. because they were doing expeditions into the chambers
quick grove
Did they stop all expoditions after the egg was cracked or nah
mystic pilot
no
finite vine
Well after they cracked it sorry
nah I was just emphasizing the fact that we still don't know if sleepers came out of the egg right when they cracked it
subtle verge
I think it was around april 2052, as listed in ALKN234.LOG
Yeah, you're right. Thanks for the heads up.
eternal talon
i can not believe this. as soon as they encountered the parasite-virus, i wouldn't believe the very bottom levels lasting more than an hour.
quick grove
nah I was just emphasizing the fact that we still don't know if sleepers came ou...
Hmmm you actually got a point there
finite vine
this log is confusing. it is the first mention of sleepers. https://www.notion.so/Timeline-0e93a62e8cfd44b3a36beb4ab245a2d0?p=32d89344964844da8c0d11480d59aca6
mystic pilot
its still a virus, it needs time to work
eternal talon
not how that works.
dim scroll
ah yes
eternal talon
it's not just a virus.,
dim scroll
the fuck them all log
quick grove
i can not believe this. as soon as they encountered the parasite-virus, i wouldn...
Well everyone and everything was fucked the moment they opened that fuckin egg
mystic pilot
the parasite works in tandem with the virus though?
dim scroll
What would NAM-V provide the parasite with tho
mystic pilot
suitable hosts
eternal talon
we talked about this literally three days ago
eternal talon
suitable hosts
yes.
dim scroll
And i wasn't here literally three days ago
mystic pilot
therefore it still needs time to work?
dim scroll
Sorry if i'm not online everyday
eternal talon
no.
quick grove
What would NAM-V provide the parasite with tho
Making the host brain dead i think then the parasite takes over and starts to mutate
eternal talon
it can be assumed the parasite can control hosts without the virus, but it is heavily prefered.
the virus is designed to spread fast and kill fast with a 100% lethality rate.
mystic pilot
yeah and killing within an hour is an enormous dosage
eternal talon
the parasite keeps hosts with the virus alive so the virus doesn't burn itself out of fuel.
eternal talon
yeah and killing within an hour is an enormous dosage
have you seen how lethal sleepers are?
mystic pilot
thats what security forces are for?
quick grove
yeah and killing within an hour is an enormous dosage
Lower levels you gotta realize they have security doors and bulkhead doors closing
eternal talon
like, have you played the game?
quick grove
To keep them from going up
eternal talon
they wouldn't be down there the instant they cracked the meteor or at least not in the very room
mystic pilot
yeah maybe if they immediately isolated the area i can see the virus levels being outrageous
eternal talon
we as fully armed gunmen die in seconds to sleepers
mystic pilot
why not? in all honesty
dim scroll
If 4 random ass dudes can take over several sectors in the complex, i personally believe heavily armored security guards would deal with them quite easily
eternal talon
imagine defenseless workers. in minutes there'd be dozens of sleepers.
quick grove
yeah maybe if they immediately isolated the area i can see the virus levels bein...
Because i know dauda experimented on some of em
mystic pilot
the workers would be toast
eternal talon
If 4 random ass dudes can take over several sectors in the complex, i personally...
not if they don't know about it.
nobody knew the parasite-virus was down there.
mystic pilot
i dont see any reason theyd not have security forces looking over the drill, as important as it is to the complex
eternal talon
or they would have NEVER opened it
dim scroll
I think you don't need to know anything when you see an alien-like creature beating the shit out of workers
Aside from how to pull a trigger
quick grove
If 4 random ass dudes can take over several sectors in the complex, i personally...
See but we got bats spears knifes and a slegde hammer the security forces didn't thus making us 4 superior
mystic pilot
its not about defending from an alien invasion, its just general security protocols
eternal talon
security forces lasted one month before losing the entire facility.
mystic pilot
you have people doing very important work here, they should have guards nearby
subtle verge
i dont see any reason theyd not have security forces looking over the drill, as ...
There were small security forces that followed workers as they were still building the lower section of Garganta when they started drilling further than their targeted depth.
eternal talon
using our expeditions into the facility as an example that they could is foolish
quick grove
security forces lasted one month before losing the entire facility.
Wait then who initiated the lockdown
mystic pilot
yeah that was my point, lostty seems to be saying theyd not have security in place where drilling was being done
quick grove
Closing all doors and security doorz
dim scroll
Wait then who initiated the lockdown
Some dude from who you can see the log in pinned messages
eternal talon
Wait then who initiated the lockdown
the security when all shit started going to hell.
eternal talon
yeah that was my point, lostty seems to be saying theyd not have security in pla...
not true. saying whatever they had wouldn't be enough. they wouldn't have a full security force.
quick grove
Oh nvm i found it
mystic pilot
yeah there wouldnt be a counter invasion force
subtle verge
yeah that was my point, lostty seems to be saying theyd not have security in pla...
I don't think you'd want anyone near where a drill that size is running, really. They had top-side locked down something immense to keep everyone in and everything out.
However there is the log.. of the engineer who commit suicide after repairing it.
quick grove
not true. saying whatever they had wouldn't be enough. they wouldn't have a full...
Im surprised they didn't wip out there KDS deep agents to deel with the situations
Or legion or what ever
dim scroll
However there is the log.. of the engineer who commit suicide after repairing it...
my man jordy
mystic pilot
idk, if its possible to mount expeditions deeper into it after the fact
subtle verge
my man jordy
RIP Jordy. 😦
eternal talon
there are corpses EVERYWHERE in the facility. visibly infected with the virus BUT NOT WITH THE PARASITE. it spreads very very fast. this is obvious from verifiable fact.
mystic pilot
then the security forces being drowned in a swarm of bodies the instant they open it seems unlikely
werent they not allowed to leave anyway?
subtle verge
I will say this: there were sightings of (sleepers?) things before the initial cracking of The Egg.
eternal talon
the parasite-virus combo is required to make sleepers. just the virus will only kill.
mystic pilot
like your options are: die or die
eternal talon
I will say this: there were sightings of (sleepers?) things before the initial c...
no.
subtle verge
I don't know if it was a sleeper, but E105 talks about something that can be described very similarly to one, and how it "materialized in the dark."
eternal talon
I don't know if it was a sleeper, but E105 talks about something that can be des...
infected lifeforms from red alpha that were in the meteor
subtle verge
eternal talon
we talked about this yesterday with hoot and daraxus
they weren't infected humans
they were creatures from red alpha. presumably the aliens that teleported the meteor.
mystic pilot
he doesnt remark on the head, why?
eternal talon
i don't know, i didn't write it.
subtle verge
mystic pilot
that might be the mimic thing
eternal talon
the first "sleepers" that came out of the meteor were NOT human
mystic pilot
strikers seem unlikely
quick grove
Heres the whole log
quick grove
that might be the mimic thing
Thats not the mimic the mimic is ashy blue vains i think you will instantly see it in front of you
eternal talon
oh my god
quick grove
I didn't want to post spam, hence why I made it short.
Oh sorry
eternal talon
do i need to say the same thing over and over again
dim scroll
Momma 😳
eternal talon
it was NOT human
subtle verge
it was NOT human
Literally none of us said it was human.
dim scroll
Alien momma 😳
quick grove
it was NOT human
Thats wat i said as well the mimic looks like human so we ruled that out
eternal talon
its' probably just one of the infected allens that were locked away in the meteor.
quick grove
The Alien species are way far ahead in technology than we are so that's why the alien sleepers can teleport
eternal talon
that made the artifacts and the teleportation tech i mean, not the floaties.
mystic pilot
none of them have indicated the ability to use technology though have they?
eternal talon
The Alien species are way far ahead in technology than we are so that's why the ...
^only the one
eternal talon
none of them have indicated the ability to use technology though have they?
not sleepers.
we are talking about a different thing than the virus-parasite.
quick grove
its' probably just one of the infected allens that were locked away in the meteo...
But you know what that gives us a breef description of how the allens looked like
mystic pilot
seems more likely a biological quirk like the fliers, who seem to be able to teleport through the facility
quick grove
Muscular legs neck bendover like its broken so long neck allens and thin arms
Aren't the sleepers the less mutated one
eternal talon
i already said earlier it probably looked something like the dark ones in metro
was nobody listening?
subtle verge
My original guess many moons ago, about that log, was the first sighting of one of the 'Shadows' that can be found, but we never really went into depth about it. There were other more important things.
quick grove
i already said earlier it probably looked something like the dark ones in metro
This would be more like the mimic
eternal talon
well they are both sort of similar in ways.
quick grove
My original guess many moons ago, about that log, was the first sighting of one ...
Shadows i doubt
eternal talon
i dunno. it's fascinating.
subtle verge
Shadows i doubt
To a degree, I do as well.
quick grove
well they are both sort of similar in ways.
The mimic sounds more similar to the dark ones
eternal talon
The Alien species are way far ahead in technology than we are so that's why the ...
but the one in that log, it said it did teleport, right? would line right up with that species that initially sent the meteor
quick grove
To a degree, I do as well.
Because she sees its physical body right looking at her
mystic pilot
not an easy thing to do panicked like that
subtle verge
Because she sees its physical body right looking at her
We can see the shadows, too.
mystic pilot
Somewhat
subtle verge
Despite the fact we need to use a flashlight to do so.
quick grove
but the one in that log, it said it did teleport, right? would line right up wit...
Well it wasn't there before and she hears a pop sound so I'd most likely think that allen still had some knowledge about teleporting or it did its teleporting by accident and then teleported again by accident
quick grove
We can see the shadows, too.
Till the up in yo business of course
quick grove
No
eternal talon
the wave matter projector uses crystals from red alpha to teleport. if it's more biological in nature, the aliens could have the ability to teleport by consuming the crystals.
rather than just developed tech exclusively.
quick grove
That would make any level impossible to complete having random fucking shadows appear in front of you
subtle verge
the wave matter projector uses crystals from red alpha to teleport. if it's more...
We see the Floaters have the crystal embedded into their body.
mystic pilot
the fliers can do this too, but they dont
eternal talon
the fliers can do this too, but they dont
flyers can not. they got to earth through the portal WE opened.
subtle verge
where is the crystal?
Located on the posterior.
mystic pilot
untrue, everytime they spawn they teleport
quick grove
the wave matter projector uses crystals from red alpha to teleport. if it's more...
True or the thing touched it and when the 4 characters pick up the MWP they get teleported for a breef moment and back to the facility so id assume thats what happened to the monster touched the crystals teleported quickly and poof teleported back
mystic pilot
extreme long range teleporting requires the tether, locally doesnt seem to be an issue
quick grove
Oh wow you can even see the rift they come through i was to pissed scared to look behind me the first time so i just kept running
eternal talon
Located on the posterior.
still, i really doubt the flyers are the aliens we are talking about, the advanced ones.
quick grove
untrue, everytime they spawn they teleport
They are in the facility all ready
mystic pilot
have you seen them spawn?
unlike other sleepers, they get their own portal and sound effects every time
quick grove
They probably can't teleport from planet to planet but inside a general location maybe
mystic pilot
yeah thats what i was saying
eternal talon
if they consume the crystals, then maybe, potentially. but still doesn't excuse that they didn't make the artifacts, or send the meteor.
dim scroll
They do teleport from Red Alpha to earth
eternal talon
the species to have that kind of tech would have to be way more advanced.
eternal talon
They do teleport from Red Alpha to earth
the alliens did, not the floaters.
the floaters got in through our portal.
dim scroll
What about D2 ex ?
mystic pilot
it doesnt really make sense theyd be responding to alarms from red alpha to teleport right beside the alarm. A more likey conclusion is they come through the tether, then respond to the situation there
dim scroll
Where is our portal ?
quick grove
if they consume the crystals, then maybe, potentially. but still doesn't excuse ...
Well we didn't consume and we got teleported for a few seconds to red alpha why wouldn't the same happen to the creature she saw in the dark that appeared out of nowhere and then disappeared
dim scroll
Hmm yes
subtle verge
Where is our portal ?
At the end of B1, our tether can't be severed for whatever reason, which allows the Floaters in.
quick grove
it doesnt really make sense theyd be responding to alarms from red alpha to tele...
That is a more likely conclusion
eternal talon
Well we didn't consume and we got teleported for a few seconds to red alpha why ...
no, but the aliens managed to teleport a huge chunk of their planet, the meteor. and rocks cant eat crystals.
dim scroll
We didn't have time to
mystic pilot
never too late
quick grove
So now we're dumbos who managed to worsen the situation
Exactly and partly the wardens fault for not closing the tether when we got through
mystic pilot
return mission to b1 but its utterly changed soon
quick grove
no, but the aliens managed to teleport a huge chunk of their planet, the meteor....
I know maybe they had a device for that but yeah
I'm only comparing what happened to the creature and what happened to us is like a similar way of teleporting and then disappear again
quick grove
otherwise it wouldn't have sent us the warning
Oh
eternal talon
Where is our portal ?
this. and guess what? if you remember, we literally left the matter wave projector in it. it's still open.
quick grove
True
dim scroll
this. and guess what? if you remember, we literally left the matter wave project...
How tf did we get it back in D1 then
mystic pilot
this is why i suggested blowing it up
quick grove
this. and guess what? if you remember, we literally left the matter wave project...
So its everyone's fault
eternal talon
How tf did we get it back in D1 then
who knows. gameplay stuffs.
eternal talon
plot hole, i guess.
mystic pilot
how did bishop get back
eternal talon
because you don't take it to extraction in that level.
dim scroll
Easily fixed by asking the players to bring the MWP back to extraction in B1
subtle verge
how did *bishop* get back
That we don't quite know, however I'm currently working on a theory for that which involves a greater theory involving Jansen & Gustavo's sour relationship.
quick grove
Did warden suddenly redo it in the meanwhile ?
The warden most likely sent a different group of prisoners to retrieve the MWP from the teleporter so yeah explains why we have an one in D1
eternal talon
how did bishop get back from what?
mystic pilot
from the first expedition
dim scroll
The warden most likely sent a different group of prisoners to retrieve the MWP f...
Why would a different group retrive it & give it to us lol
mystic pilot
the only one who came back
dim scroll
they could go into D1 in our stead if they had it
The other explanation is that several MWP exists
mystic pilot
maybe it needed modifications to ensure a b1 scenario didnt reoccur
eternal talon
Why would a different group retrive it & give it to us lol
who do you think gave us the neonate baby hsu? could be same deal. somebody else got it for us.
quick grove
from the first expedition
They obviously pulled him back using the quantum tether the same as what the warden did
dim scroll
bebi
eternal talon
They obviously pulled him back using the quantum tether the same as what the war...
bishop was in red alpha?
mystic pilot
they didnt indicate they could do that at all though?
dim scroll
wasn't schaeffer in red alpha actually ?
quick grove
Why would a different group retrive it & give it to us lol
Only the warden knows
dim scroll
with another dude
quick grove
bishop was in red alpha?
Yeah
dim scroll
I forgor the log name but there was mention of schaeffer & someone else teleporting into red alpha
mystic pilot
security officer for the first expedition
dim scroll
with only schaeffer coming back
eternal talon
wasn't schaeffer in red alpha actually ?
a lot of people have been in red alpha. the teleporter and ruins of human expeditions there show that already.
quick grove
Only the warden knows
But this is my theory tho there are multiple MWP in the facility
eternal talon
how they did all that while fighting off sleepers at the same time in the time frame of one month.. that's for 10 chambers to say.
dim scroll
It'd be super weird to have a single MWP for the entire complex
Especially with so many teleporters
mystic pilot
bulkhead doors stronk
quick grove
True
eternal talon
It'd be super weird to have a single MWP for the entire complex
depends on how it was made.
it's made with alien tech.
dim scroll
If they could replicate it that shouldn't be a problem
Except if aliens themselves did several of them
😳
eternal talon
well we made the mwp
mystic pilot
i dont think they indicated they could replicate it
eternal talon
but we made it from alien crystals and stuff
quick grove
Warden probably got a 4 other prisoners to get a MWP because its maybe to dangerous to go back to B1
mystic pilot
more like they themselves werent sure how this thing really worked
eternal talon
Warden probably got a 4 other prisoners to get a MWP because its maybe to danger...
b1 really turned into an e1 difficulty expedition, huh?
eternal talon
be happy we weren't sent back to close it.
dim scroll
Would've loved to 😳
mystic pilot
being sent in to seal a surge alarm source soon
quick grove
b1 really turned into an e1 difficulty expedition, huh?
If you have only 3 people its meer nigh for low skilled players to beat it
But 4 low skilled players if everyone isn't idiots then its easy to complete
eternal talon
i'm still here.
quick grove
Oh yeah
It would be your not wrong
If it was you'd have a timer to complete it as well
eternal talon
anybody wanna do a quick run of b1 with me and talk about lore as we go?
eternal talon
mobile data?
quick grove
Yes im on mobile data unfortunately for now
The school tablet i had was used for a hotspot this expired so yeah
Im currently saving up for the starlink thing
quick grove
anybody wanna do a quick run of b1 with me and talk about lore as we go?
But i can just sit in a vc with you for a bit
agile acorn
Hey everyone! I just got the game a couple weeks ago and I'm curious about the lore, but idk where to start or how much I've missed already since this is my first rundown. Could anyone fill me in?
eternal talon
@agile acorn look at your dms
compact sedge
what's the lore of the robots that are around the facility?
subtle verge
Hey everyone! I just got the game a couple weeks ago and I'm curious about the l...
Check the pins for a GTFO Lore FAQ and summary. 🙂
subtle verge
what's the lore of the robots that are around the facility?
My best guess is that those are more akin to exo-skeleton suits if you're familiar with them.
They have the right shape and properties for it.
compact sedge
yeah I have the same feeling, do you guys we'll use one in a rundown someday?
subtle verge
I don't think so, honestly, but it could happen.
agile acorn
Check the pins for a GTFO Lore FAQ and summary. 🙂
Ah. Thanks!
subtle verge
Ah. Thanks!
Yep yep! Also, there's a GTFO Wiki that's updated constantly by dedicated community members, and also some of the Admins/Mods. In the pins, as well, is a timeline and database of logs from previous rundowns, though it's not been updated in a little while.
Here's the link for Rundown 006. 🙂
agile acorn
Cool! Time to do some research😂
subtle verge
Heck yeah! If you have any questions, please feel free to ask. 90% of things you'll see and hear in this channel will be either theory or head canons.
quick grove
Yes
wispy torrent
bishop dauda
subtle verge
What about them, Bob?
wispy torrent
theyre hot 
tall anchor
speaking of the wiki, I'd like to make a nice summary for rundown 5 like there is on other rundown pages
however, I'm slightly confused by the higher teirs
I get the point of E1 being KDS Deep & going deeper, that makes obvious sense to me
finite vine
I think the overall objective of rundown 5 was to activate KDS deep.
tall anchor
That makes sense, but I mean specific things like the hisec cargo for example
finite vine
Ah ok
tall anchor
I didn't play the mission where it required processing, I don't know what happened to it or what it was about
finite vine
I didn't play the mission where it required processing, I don't know what happen...
The Hisec Cargo was just opened using the same device that opened the neonate.
I dont think it was used again after that
quick grove
I couldn't get to KDS deep because of how god awfull C2 was and shit
tall anchor
D teir makes sense
quick grove
Yeah D tier from just reading it is like your activating things to go to kds deep
quick grove
Hello fellow lore peeps got any new info today or have we discussed everything
Or if you wanna throw some theory's around
analog frigate
we aren't close to discussing everything
solar nova
I didn't play the mission where it required processing, I don't know what happen...
It's among our loose ends.
-pMother trial samples (R2A1)
-Neonate HSU (R3D1)
-HISEC cargo (R5B3)
-KDS Deep (R5E1)
analog frigate
we have figured out KDS Deep
quick grove
we aren't close to discussing everything
Welp you got any theory's of yours
quick grove
we have figured out KDS Deep
Ah indeed pls enlighten me with more of kds deep i know very little info
Other than it being more prisoners
quick grove
Jesus that's a lot of "expendable" prisoners for the warden
So by expendable the warden just doesn't care who we are correct
@analog frigate
analog frigate
it sort of does
quick grove
Sort of does?
analog frigate
since we are its assets after all
and the four of us are the best
or one of the best teams
quick grove
Ay
solar nova
we have figured out KDS Deep
Well not really in the "loose end" sense, it's still an objective we've accomplished for no apparent reason, but the WRDN probably needs it and we're just waiting on the payoff.
quick grove
Warden probably wants more prisoners
solar nova
We never use the elevator, though, is the main odd thing.
solar nova
No, I mean that KDS Deep has a built in drop/elevator, but we don't use it rn, when we drop in R6 we're still at the usual spot at the surface.
quick grove
No, I mean that KDS Deep has a built in drop/elevator, but we don't use it rn, w...
Ah
Welp id assume that's used for taking the HSU's out and moving them somewhere else
solar nova
It could be, but it looks like it's a way to drop to deeper reaches of the complex.
We just haven't used it yet.
quick grove
Ah
So in the future we might get sent back and dropped down from there?
Thats theory right there
Mmm
solar nova
R6D1 and R6D4 are also technically loose ends, but that's expected of the current rundown.
"Primary Restoration Initiative"
dim scroll
So it has to do with restoring the complex ?
Or could it be restoration as "retrieval" ?
or "resurrection" or anything similar ?
solar nova
We're probably looking to do something major, whether it's restoring the complex or restoring humanity or whatever.
quick grove
Pathogen?
silver vine
= disease
dim scroll
We're probably looking to do something major, whether it's restoring the complex...
iirc people can't turn into sleepers if they're dead
solar nova
The complex or something unknown to us that the WRDN has in mind are the most likely.
quick grove
Could it be like research towards something
solar nova
Presumably it's NAM-V's genome.
quick grove
Who knows
silver vine
Btw, what the objective of this rundown ? Like A1 - D1, it's pretty clear, but I don't really see a point for the other mission. Especially D4
quick grove
But D1 is mostly likely gonna get a follow up in the extended
quick grove
Btw, what the objective of this rundown ? Like A1 - D1, it's pretty clear, but I...
Well imagining having a rundown only with 4 levels
dim scroll
You moved your ass with a MWP to retrieve, supposedly, NAM-V's genome
For D4 Daraxus mentioned D0c who said we shouldn't really give attention to it lore wise
even it's an interesting level
silver vine
You think the MWP purpose is to retrieve a genome ? Not to be a battery to tp to alpha 2 with the data cube coordinate ?
dim scroll
Not really a battery
more like a tool to teleport
C1's last datacube definitely was the one with the right coordinates
silver vine
Idk, we plug it in a machinery. It seems for me it's a source of power, but I could be wrong
dim scroll
In B1 we should've retrieved the matter wave projector (otherwise someone provided us with another one)
Since we left B1's portal open like idiots
solar nova
dim scroll
we still don't know what these DNA samples are used for tbh
solar nova
we still don't know what these DNA samples are used for tbh
Most of them are just security access, it seems.
dim scroll
Why not picking IDs then
quick grove
PGD?
dim scroll
Pathogen Genome Database
quick grove
What's it trying to decript
solar nova
Why not picking IDs then
Presumably IDs are used for some checks and DNA is used for others.
solar nova
Might also be that some are more convenient to get than others.
We could even speculate that the WRDN is soft-locked on some security where DNA to get to an HSU is found within an HSU held there.
silver vine
We are doing Bioscan, I can understand why they need DNA sometimes if the access to an area is limited
dim scroll
So we're holding DNA samples on us so that some security doors don't require to do alarms ?
solar nova
D2 seems to be unrelated to D1, if I had to guess it's preparation for D4.
silver vine
Also, could be just more dna sample = more prisonners to be duplicated (idk for this one, this odds)
dim scroll
It mentions Genome database decryption keys though
solar nova
So we're holding DNA samples on us so that some security doors don't require to ...
Yes, or it might be the case that alarms are necessary but the alternative is literally no access whatsoever.
dim scroll
I don't know if they are used to extract the genome
or simply to decrypt it after being extracted
I legit wouldn't be surprised if we were to find bebi 2 to write PGD data on its DNA
solar nova
Oh, that's what PGD is.
solar nova
Yeah, we presumably already have it, but we need to decrypt it.
dim scroll
D3 being a reactor might imply we need a consistent power source for some large structure
silver vine
Or we need more power because data decryption take a lot of it.
We have the decryption key from D2, then need to go down in D3 because we need more power to decrypt it
PGD data point to some places in D4 with strange reading ==> we found out about tempered data cube.
This way we are able to link D2 - D3 - D4
quick grove
Tempered data cube?
dim scroll
the question is : what structure will be used for decryption ?
solar nova
The tampered data cube is probably unrelated to the PGD.
Seems more like an artifact the WRDN was interested in.
solar nova
I recall NFrames being used to decrypt datasphere datas in R4C1
Thought this was just offloading data due to the nFrame "exceeding capacity."
Although this suggest the WRDN either intends to maintain these facilities or is interested in the data being collected.
quick grove
Welp mans need power to reach further down ya know
silver vine
We don't know the reason for this need of power but we can speculate : Powering the tp machinery, powering KDS Deep HSUs, etc
quick grove
The warden most likely wants to go deeper
dim scroll
R5D1's sole purpose was to power R5E1's KDS HSUs
quick grove
Yes
silver vine
But but, it was a reactor shutdown ? 😄
silver vine
D2 is linked to E1
solar nova
It's probably just a server room somewhere we power w/ D3.
dim scroll
So we shut it down as to preserve some of it ig
silver vine
Additional power needed for Influx Protocol
D1 was granting access to deeper part of the complex (could be E1 for sure ^^)
dim scroll
Speaking of D3
tf is the "fucked up place"
"between a rock and a fucked up place" ?
quick grove
So we are still giving kds deep more power
dim scroll
Sounds like D1 lol
solar nova
tf is the "fucked up place"
Double tank room probs.
dim scroll
why a rock though
harsh saffron
thats the saying
silver vine
Because we're between an error alarm and a big room with sleeping tanks
dim scroll
I'm not getting the rock part tbh (probably some expression i've never heard of)
silver vine
You're french no ?
dim scroll
ye
solar nova
"Between a rock and a hard place."
dim scroll
ok
silver vine
Entre le marteau et l'enclume
silver vine
Np 😉
dim scroll
Anyway i 100% smell the R6E1 with us carrying a datasphere
with the datasphere carrying the genome & us carrying the keys
silver vine
I don't know what R2E1 was but R4E1 was error alarm + reactor + stealth and R5E1 was error alarmS
R2E1 was also the first time they used error alarm no ? after a 2h stealth route if I recall
solar nova
R2E1 was surge alarms interspersed with shadow titan stealth, followed by a very difficult ramping error alarm through three packed zones and two surge alarms.
It was the first error associated w/ a door.
Length depended on how good your team was, and most people were pretty bad back then.
silver vine
So, for now, no E1 without error alarm
dim scroll
Basically yes
solar nova
Yeah, fog was present.
solar nova
Prevalent in three zones and a hazard in two others.
dim scroll
The holy quatuor of "how to make any level difficult"
silver vine
R5E1 didn't really used Big shadows that much
They were here, but for like 10 - 15 min
dim scroll
Still a fucked up zone
Darkness + fog always has been hell with shadows
fog + light is even more cursed
You can't see them at all lol
silver vine
I'd rather go to R5E1 shadow area again then step a foot in R5D1 extreme
solar nova
R5E1 was a nice experience tbh.
The mini-boss area gave you an experience of crossing some sort of great chasm that cut the level into two.
Lots of levels, I feel, were great because of how they felt to play.
solar nova
True, although I can't say I felt the same vibe.
I think I remember R4E1 more for the "tucked away" feeling after you got past the error and the map started opening up.
Literally an entire reactor off the beaten path just... there.
Similar thing with R5B1 Overload.
You navigate through a long set of dark storage areas and come out the other end to a vast space.
In general, I'm a sucker for things that make the complex feel big.
crisp sage
I'm out here tryna figure out wtf that dickhead in D1 was.
quick grove
Length depended on how good your team was, and most people were pretty bad back ...
So if you beated it your basically a good player
faint river
what is the lore of gtfo???
analog frigate
what is the lore of gtfo???
here is a quick faq and summary of it
quick grove
Hello
eternal talon
iirc people can't turn into sleepers if they're dead
correct.
eternal talon
Since we left B1's portal open like idiots
yeah, that's pretty big. though given we have it again later on, i'd assume it's either a plot hole, warden sent another team to go and get it, or the staff made multiple prototypes before the complex was abandoned
eternal talon
Idk, we plug it in a machinery. It seems for me it's a source of power, but I co...
we plug it into the teleporter. likely a requirement for it to work.
eternal talon
Well imagining having a rundown only with 4 levels
i think the very first alpha only had a couple missions, correct me if i'm wrong. before r1.
eternal talon
But D1 is mostly likely gonna get a follow up in the extended
more than likely, yeah. given the '1s' seem to be the primary story part of this rundown
eternal talon
We're probably looking to do something major, whether it's restoring the complex...
humanity is near entirely destroyed. restoring it will take a very very long time and it's not exactly under good management rn. in regards to the complex, only thing that would likely work there is to detonate something in the meteor and destroy it from the source. the complex is very well doomed and is best left burried under a mountain of concrete and warnings.
eternal talon
If we could turn people back into their original state that'd be sick
ehh, that's dependant on a couple things. 1: the parasite not getting to them once infected with the virus. 2: the virus is incredibly fast acting and has a 100% mortality rate. if a cure was somehow made, it'd need to be administered immediately upon infection.
finite vine
humanity is near entirely destroyed. restoring it will take a very very long tim...
nah, the warden is probably trying to save humanity.
it is a possibility. just because humanity is too far gone doesn’t mean no one is trying to save it.
placid beacon
possibly
eternal talon
the wardens motives are still a complete mystery to us, and given the state of humanity, i dunno.
that's assuming this hyper-intelligent AI has morals and actually WANTS to save the human race.
than just save itself
finite vine
that's assuming this hyper-intelligent AI has morals and actually WANTS to save ...
well humans could be influencing the wardens decisions.
eternal talon
^
eternal talon
well humans could be influencing the wardens decisions.
depends on where the warden is and where population centers are, again. 99% of the surface is dead.
finite vine
depends on where the warden is and where population centers are, again. 99% of t...
i’d assume that the warden is probably near garganta
eternal talon
yeah, possibly
finite vine
garganta is ground zero, it has all the tech, project insight also worked there and they probably knew a lot about the virus before humanity went to shit.
subtle verge
Considering WRDN took over the BIOCOM network, it's safe to say it's in Garganta, whether its top-side or in a server room underground.
eternal talon
garganta is ground zero, it has all the tech, project insight also worked there ...
well to be fair, the underground where they were studying it went to shit no later than a month after the meteor was cracked and the monsters got out.
analog frigate
Considering WRDN took over the BIOCOM network, it's safe to say it's in Garganta...
also the autogen server logs are coming internally from garganta and not from a different source
finite vine
well to be fair, the underground where they were studying it went to shit no lat...
I don’t think we know how long it took for shit to hit the fan? it’s possible garganta took the correct safety procedures because they were the first ones to know about the virus and the first ones to study it
eternal talon
so then yeah, definitely not being messed with by humans. the complex is a war zone.
finite vine
I don’t think we know how long it took for shit to hit the fan? it’s possible ga...
other than the WHO log in 2057
eternal talon
really? i was under the impression we had an exact time frame.
and it was only because the security forces were fucking POG at their jobs.
no, of how long it took for the facility to go under @analog frigate
daraxus?
analog frigate
sorry i was doing something
around 2060 is when everything was gone
but when things started to go to shit
it's around 2055 iirc
eternal talon
nono we are talking about in the complex exclusively
eternal talon
^
analog frigate
those are around 2053/2054
finite vine
well to be fair, the underground where they were studying it went to shit no lat...
actually we don’t really know if it fully went to shit
analog frigate
it started going to shit after the emergency garganta protocol was made
subtle verge
We have casual conversation & business D-Block ciphers until around mid 2054.
eternal talon
^
@finite vine it went to shit
also, the fact there are corpses everywhere and NOBODY left in the complex, it's not even argueable
placid beacon
we've gotta leave things at the stage of: 'unconfirmed until otherwise proved otherwise'
just remember this
analog frigate
yes
placid beacon
until we actually know for certain, we can't say that everyone just straight up died in the complex
subtle verge
also, the fact there are corpses everywhere and NOBODY left in the complex, it's...
This is the anomaly that killed Andrew Clinton. We're not sure what caused the blast, but theres more casual D-Block conversations about it in early 2054.
placid beacon
at the same time we can't say some people survived and got out
eternal talon
the place is dead wdym unconfirmed. there are corpses.. EVERYWHERE. in every rundown
placid beacon
i know what you mean, im simply suggesting that perhaps not everyone straight up died there, and that some escaped elsewhere.
eternal talon
at the same time we can't say some people survived and got out
a few did, that's why the surface is dead too.
placid beacon
i do agree that anyone who stayed, is probably dead by now
eternal talon
we know this already
placid beacon
considering the scarcity of resources and the bloated numbers of sleepers lul
eternal talon
we know a number made it out because the virus did.
placid beacon
in other news ive been reading and listening to the logs on each terminal this rundown
eternal talon
but again, i'd reckon no-where near the number of people that were actually stationed down there
subtle verge
We do know that in 2056 there was still security detail around.
eternal talon
in the complex??
analog frigate
piros
placid beacon
considering the almost comically large scale of the complex, i'd imagine one could find some necessities
eternal talon
considering the almost comically large scale of the complex, i'd imagine one cou...
not the food and water to sustain literally hundreds maybe thousands of employees
analog frigate
there are many places to easily defend and even some we've visited
analog frigate
not the food and water to sustain literally hundreds maybe thousands of employee...
not necessarily
placid beacon
im boutta eat those plants in c1-
analog frigate
we don't see food currently
and we have a time frame of max 30 years into the future
eternal talon
we know there are hydroponics gardens, see d2,
but still. you'd need something major
analog frigate
again, we could be 30 years into the future
the food could've been consumed and/or degraded
analog frigate
we don't talk about the magic plants
analog frigate
yeah pretty much
eternal talon
@placid beacon automated sprinklers and nutrient feed?
analog frigate
<@!111472323533504512> automated sprinklers and nutrient feed?
power was out almost everywhere
the plants are green
there was no life
analog frigate
@frail pollen were the plants changed to make sense in R6?
analog frigate
remind me again which area of r5?
most of C
eternal talon
they just look like fancy growbeds to me in d2
placid beacon
aight
analog frigate
take a picture
eternal talon
r1.
that's the oooold machinegun
in the pic
the very first time we see that stuff
in the charger room
eternal talon
what is it
analog frigate
charger nest
eternal talon
it looked almost like lekgolo worms
finite vine
how could they last down there for YEARS?
the complex probably didn’t go completely to shit in 2053. it was probably still somewhat operational by 2056.
also I think the virus was out of the complex before the autogen explosions.
analog frigate
aight that makes sense
eternal talon
3rd pic, you can see power is STILL ON
even after all this time. most of the zones in d2 have power
finite vine
<@!82942340309716992> were the plants changed to make sense in R6?
wdym changed
analog frigate
^
analog frigate
wdym changed
as in, not in dark random places without moisture
finite vine
yea NAM-V was out of the complex before the autogen explosions in October 11th, 2053.
finite vine
as in, not in dark random places without moisture
ah ok
eternal talon
what were these autogen explosions?
analog frigate
autogen logs
eternal talon
that makes even less sense
how did the staff not die to the virus if it made it all the way out?
analog frigate
about server temperature going above 37C
finite vine
don’t u use the autogen explosions as a time frame for when the complex went to shit ?
analog frigate
the autogen logs have no date
subtle verge
AUTOGEN LOG is on every single terminal in R6.
finite vine
no they do
October 11th 2053
thats when Shaffers log describing the mining mole breaking through a barrier and the energy burst drilling holes to the surface happened as well
finite vine
those logs were recorded on the same day
auto gen logs and the biocom communication
they describe events that took place on the same day
harsh saffron
the auto gen logs have dates themselves too
analog frigate
yeah but no year iirc
harsh saffron
finite vine
yeah but no year iirc
no they do lol, October 11th 2053
analog frigate
why would we use them as anything
we already know the facility went to shit during around early 2054
harsh saffron
but honestly I dont know if they maybe changed the auto gen, that image is from R1 or R2 I think
finite vine
well when do you think the complex went to shit
eternal talon
my money is on very fuckin fast.
analog frigate
we already know the facility went to shit during around early 2054
or at least most lower levels
finite vine
my money is on very fuckin fast.
when? like what time frame
analog frigate
my money is on very fuckin fast.
that wouldn't make sense timewise
subtle verge
we already know the facility went to shit during around early 2054
I wouldn't say the entire place went to shit in 2054. I'd definitely say some of the larger dominoes started toppling, though.
finite vine
like i was shocked when i heard they lasted a month.
after what? lasted a month after what.
eternal talon
and i can't believe it
analog frigate
by what the logs show, they lasted a couple years
eternal talon
after what? lasted a month after what.
they cracked the meteor
analog frigate
I wouldn't say the entire place went to shit in 2054. I'd definitely say some of...
yeah i corrected myself
eternal talon
and let the infected out
analog frigate
still, they lasted over 4 years for sure
amber field
im sure all their hold out plans went up in flames when the blasts occurred
finite vine
they cracked the meteor
nah. i’m pretty sure they cracked the meteor before the autogen logs. then they cracked the inner on the day of autogen logs. however, the complex was probably still operating for years after that.
analog frigate
im sure all their hold out plans went up in flames when the blasts occurred
hypothetically yes, but that didn't destroy everything
just opened up a lot of tunnels
subtle verge
It let out the Mole People.
amber field
right, we still have a complex to explore so it left a lot untouched
analog frigate
and we are still to know where the blasts opened up holes and where it even occurred
finite vine
im sure all their hold out plans went up in flames when the blasts occurred
I don’t think they needed hold up plans, they had KSO’s and legion to protect scientists on expeditions inside the egg.
eternal talon
*It let out the Mole People.*
no, infected allens.
subtle verge
no, infected allens.
/s
amber field
were the blasts a mechanism used by alien bois to escape the crust?
subtle verge
I was making a joke. Geez.
amber field
or an accident by the facility
finite vine
no, infected allens.
the sleepers existed and were a problem before the autogen logs.
analog frigate
were the blasts a mechanism used by alien bois to escape the crust?
we don't know if they are alien, but we are almost sure it's an accident
because there isn't proof of them being capable of making some giant explosive to blow up a 2km hole
eternal talon
were the blasts a mechanism used by alien bois to escape the crust?
keep in mind, any aliens that would have been in the meteor would have looong been infected by the virus-parasite.
analog frigate
that's if aliens were in the meteorite and not just the parasite
eternal talon
that's if aliens were in the meteorite and not just the parasite
you and me literally talked to hoot about this
amber field
that does make sense
analog frigate
the first workers to drill in could've been infected first
eternal talon
he said the first "SLEEPER" attacks were NOT human
finite vine
who did?
amber field
is that from shafe's log
eternal talon
hoot, the guy that wrote that part of the intro to sleeper biology pdf
analog frigate
sky, grem
finite vine
well some of that contains head cannon
eternal talon
we literally talked about this daraxus, like two days ago
asked you for who wrote that, you got hoot on the line
analog frigate
he said the first "SLEEPER" attacks were NOT human
yes
sleepers aren't human
they are sleepers
specifically mutated humans
eternal talon
noonoono
finite vine
yea we call them human because they are mutated humans.
analog frigate
did he write the word "alien" in the start or just not human
eternal talon
YES
finite vine
sleepers come from humans, not proven yet but it is an accepted theory.
amber field
sleepers in the meteor were not humans
sleepers at the time of our rundowns are humans
analog frigate
yea we call them human because they are mutated humans.
first time i've heard that
eternal talon
NOT HUMAN SLEEPERS
he LITERALLY said
something along the lines of the floaty bois is possible
finite vine
first time i've heard that
they are from humans, is what i meant.
finite vine
he LITERALLY said
well claims made without reasoning are just claims.
analog frigate
@leaden dagger you wrote the second paragraph of ecology right?
eternal talon
that is NOT the person you @ ed