gtfo-lore

[scenic yacht]

a videogame doesnt follow real life exactly?!?!?!? BUut but but but physics??!?

[small bobcat]

man he's radiating so much smug energy i can hardly stand it

[mystic pilot]

i would really like to know decisively if the corpse disposal is gameplay or has a reasonable lore tie in

[quick grove]

Erm everything is based of physics man

[scenic yacht]

hey yall are the ones that for some reason cant understand that this is a valid theory

[subtle verge]

As far as we have come to understand: it's simply a gameplay mechanic, as there isn't any concrete evidence that they melt and leave no trace behind.

[mystic pilot]

questions like 'what do mothers eat?'

[eternal talon]

the biomass of the dead workers.

@mystic pilot

[small bobcat]

your "valid theory" works off from lack of evidences saying otherwise rather than building from present evidences, how do you come to such a conclusion anyway?

[scenic yacht]

I have a notepad that i've been working on, soon it will be in the draft phase

[quick grove]

No it isn't a valid theory because number one who is going to be sending coms from the past to the future thats physically impossible,where the fuck does the warden get Nukes from that theory of yours doesn't make sense at all

You can't come back to the past if your in the future

[scenic yacht]

im going to ignore your phsyics statement because frankly i cant get it to you that this is a video game, BUT im glad you asked about nukes....

see the warden is a HIGHLY advanced AI

[quick grove]

Mate your ego is so far up your ass that you think everyone else theory of physics are wrong

[small bobcat]

its like that theory where the world ends at the edge of our perception and you cant prove or disprove that the object in the next room over still exists when you close the door

[mystic pilot]

idk big strikers do be zoomin through rooms when im not looking hard enough

[scenic yacht]

BIOCOM already had access to the ENTIRE complex, with the addition of the Warden whos to tell what information it could access to. Remember, BIOCOM was a product of KOVAC. KOVAC being one of if not the BIGGEST defense agencies in the world. See what im getting at here?

[small bobcat]

so imma recommend you not talk about this until your papers are finished and is up for discussion

[mystic pilot]

think theyll take a big moment and they just fly in there like the koolaid man

[quick grove]

Yeah and the moment you realise you got 20 of them looking at you

[subtle verge]

Folks, please. I've asked for three days now to keep ad-hominem arguments and side-tracked conversations out of this channel. This is a bad look on the community we've built in the lore section for the newer folks joining us.

[quick grove]

And no one will be giving nukes to a private company

[small bobcat]

i no joke shat myself after turning the reactor on and finding out theres a whole bunch of big boys i mustve narrowly snuck by

[scenic yacht]

Kovac is also known to be able to get knowledge easily, they found out about Santonians bodies within days! Warden, with access to all of Kovac, could acquire nukes with relative ease for an advanced AI

[scenic yacht]

theres no way to know that in this universe

[small bobcat]

hey, pepsi did get ahold of a battleship fleet at one point in history if i recall correctly

[small bobcat]

and see how your theory lives off of lack of disproving data? i really dont like it that way imo

[quick grove]

Ay bro but thats irl aight

[scenic yacht]

just disprove ME then?

[tall anchor]

yeesh

[quick grove]

We have tho

[scenic yacht]

im ready to answer any questions about TTT in gtfo

[quick grove]

Countless times

[small bobcat]

bro i literally did just say that you cant disprove it because theres no sufficient data

[quick grove]

Your to ignorant to accept your wrong and we're rigng

[scenic yacht]

so why do yall get so butthurt needlessly trying to disprove me? Ask me questions and ill answer

[tall anchor]

Doesn’t have to be dead workers, there’s gotta be biomass reactors for power

[scenic yacht]

too* right*

[tall anchor]

Because they’re definetly not nuclear reactors

[small bobcat]

it goes into cloudy territory where theres no concrete data on, and until we do that one will stay up in the air

[scenic yacht]

yup exactly, maybe next rundown or even with the extension I will be proved wrong

or maybe right

[subtle verge]

Biofuel reactors through cyanophyta is my current theory.

[small bobcat]

like if theres an audio or data log that states the stars in the sky isnt like ours and name the celestial bodies as something different then it's gonna be shot down, but until then

[tall anchor]

I’m in that boat too. Provides some sort of sustenance for sleepers as well

[small bobcat]

Merv is gonna have to stay frustrated about this

[subtle verge]

Fo' sho'.

[scenic yacht]

until then, I will answer any questions regarding TTT, Time Travel Theory

[quick grove]

Damn bro i dont really care all i know that physics is the only thing here disproving my mans facts

[scenic yacht]

Im not even gunna say my response to video game physics anymore jeez

[tall anchor]

I love how over a year ago realism was thrown back and forth for hours throughout this discord server and now y’all are just arguing over time travel

[small bobcat]

it doesnt make it through the handwave comment of it being a fictional setting where rules of physics n shit can be different

[quick grove]

True but eh

[small bobcat]

like in anime where a loli can dead ass clock a full grown man and cave his skull in

[scenic yacht]

its literally not even me, I just want to share my theory about the lore and people just want me to be wrong for some reason. Not even asking me questions about my own theory

[small bobcat]

it doesnt make any sense but it is fiction and what the author says goes

[quick grove]

Lmao

[eternal talon]

it's not that we want you to be wrong, but we don't want you to be right.

[scenic yacht]

lol

[eternal talon]

because it's very stupid as a storytelling choice.

[quick grove]

Yes

[knotty harness]

bitch i'm already a time traveller.

i travel to the future at a rate of one second per second

[small bobcat]

ya to be fair i would find the alien place implication more exciting than time travel implication

[scenic yacht]

its not though, it can be a very interesting way to tell the story of the earth after the infection and how Warden managed to run things!

[tall anchor]

look man, time travel would be interesting, but they’ve [as in 10cc] have stated it’s based on the real world in the future, realism’s a big thing for 10cc.

[eternal talon]

^

[quick grove]

Facts

[subtle verge]

A tip for the future, and this goes for everyone: claim a theory as headcanon, see what other people think about it in a small 5 minute conversation, write out your thesis, include any in-game hints/clues/logs, and present it that way. This three-going-on-four day argument is getting old and toxic, imo.

[eternal talon]

again, it's not how you would write a future plotline for the story, it's how 10 chambers would do it. and personally the whole other planet/aliens trying to escape certain doom is a more interesting story.

[scenic yacht]

So interdimensional/ interplanetary travel gained from aliens is more real world than time travel?

[placid beacon]

frankly

yea

[tall anchor]

Yes?

[small bobcat]

pin this one

[tall anchor]

Quantum Physics exists for a reason my guy

[subtle verge]

Not really pin-worthy. Should just be common sense.

[small bobcat]

and yes, we are closer to FTL travel and stuff than we are to time travel i would reckon

[scenic yacht]

Oh dont you worry, my thesis on TTT is being crafted as we speak!

[quick grove]

Enliten me then show me what you got

[placid beacon]

its not a thesis without any information regarding your sources but eh, yea

[subtle verge]

Give him some time, no need to be pushy about it.

[scenic yacht]

so aliens can give us interdimensional travel but not time travel?

[small bobcat]

to be fair people "teleporting" after touching a crystal? I would find interdimensional travel more believable than time travel

[scenic yacht]

what do you mean? all my sources are listed, ive used quotes from logs aswell

[quick grove]

Yeah but I wanna see wat my guy has so far

[subtle verge]

We've more or less ruled out interdimensional travel, however most of us remain very open to the idea knowing that we may have misunderstood information/science.

[eternal talon]

think about what we've got here from a storytelling standpoint on what is most likely: an advanced alien race from millions possibly hundreds of millions of years ago encounter a parasite-virus symbiotic pair, be it through genetic testing or natural evoloution, and getting wiped out on their own planet, try and flee on a meteor to earth, only to crash with the parasite onboard on earth and being locked away for 65 million years until a far less advanced civilization, humanity, open it and must overcome what even the most advanced alien civilization could not.

[scenic yacht]

Youll see it once i feel like its done, and Ill be happy to show anyone else as well

[small bobcat]

do be a bro and publish it here

[quick grove]

Damn so can't even get glimpse

[tall anchor]

Time is a lot harder to fuck with than interplanetary/inter dimensional travel. Because of string theory, it’s a lot easier to breach into a nearby universe than it is to breach back in time. And instant transportation is again, a lot more realistic than that due to quantum relativity and two things being in separate places at the same time, however we’re in the phase of trying to crack that.

[subtle verge]

I'd recommend a Wordpad doc or a Google doc, whichever you're more comfortable with. Makes formatting easier for the user and reader.

[tall anchor]

Aliens having teleportation technology is a lot easier than time travel, due to current scientific theory on wormholes. Space is much easier to bend than time is, and the energy requirement is much lower.

[scenic yacht]

yea once im done jotting down quick thoughts I will convert it for better formatting

[tall anchor]

To make a wormhole, i believe current energy estimation is around 7 times the earths production right now.

(I could be wrong, I’m pulling that from memory, it’s been a year or two)

[eternal talon]

to be fair, we don't know quite to what extent of advancement these aliens are that developed the tech.

we know very very little about them in general.

[tall anchor]

That’s true as well, maybe Creatisurum has a weird quantum property that allowed them to develop quicker.

[eternal talon]

only speculation really.

that, and it's not like we can encounter one and ask it.

[scenic yacht]

for all we know they could be... human... but thats for the thesis 🙂

[eternal talon]

they likely died out by the parasite a very very long time ago, millions or hundreds of millions of years ago if they took the long route and didn't teleport the hunk of their world, but instead flew it to earth.

[tall anchor]

I’m struggling with the ‘sleepers were already in The Inner’ theory personally

[eternal talon]

once more, depends on what you classify as a sleeper. infected human, something infected with both the parasite and the virus, esc esc.

[tall anchor]

Probably they did alternating periods of teleportation jumps and coasting through space.

[scenic yacht]

if only @analog frigate was here, he'd have his sources. Make sure to bring it up to him next time you see them

[quick grove]

Damn bro this game got a bit of everything space(or interdimensional travel) supernatural shit(refering to the thing that mimics other dead peoples voices) allens and what not

[tall anchor]

I mean, the mayan clue drops are killing me personally

[eternal talon]

honestly if there were indeed "sleepers" in the meteor 100% confirmed, which we don't know for certain,

it could just be the infected aliens being considered as such

[tall anchor]

There was definetly some sort of parasite and some sort of virus

[eternal talon]

yes. the two of which are 100%. that is of no doubt.

[quick grove]

The pMother looks more alien to me than anything else that shit aint normal

[eternal talon]

the parasite-virus is not of debate.

[scenic yacht]

That would be SO COOL to have mayans somehow be involved!

[small bobcat]

i vaguely recall reading a log that said the sleepers were a problem while they were digging towards "The core", but i dunno if thats instantly after the breach or some time after

[quick grove]

Mayans

[small bobcat]

they really do know about it tho, theres sleepers in vats in the labs tileset

[tall anchor]

I mean, it’s a bit obvious considering the log drops about them

[eternal talon]

the parasite lives off mutation. it is likely just a heavily mutated pregnant worker of the facility being used to gestate more sleepers to grow the horde.

[subtle verge]

Keywords: virus, Mayan, Maya, historic, flea
6,724,158 results returned. Filtered by relevance:


“Where did the Mayans go?” - Our Earth magazine 9/25/43

A new theory regarding the sudden demise of Mayan culture has been presented
by Dr. Yvette Hernandez at the Anthropology Forum convention. Dr. Hernandez’s
research posits that the Mayans were almost completely wiped out several
times by an illness they referred to as “Flea Demons”. Though the
interpretation of hieroglyphic stelae leaves much room for interpretation,
Dr. Hernandez believes she has discovered conclusive references to mass
deaths related to the illness on three separate occasions, right up to the
16th century during the occupation of Mayan territory by the Spanish
Conquistadors…```

[quick grove]

Yeah true

[tall anchor]

Yeah, that

[scenic yacht]

ooooh interesting

[subtle verge]

I did consult the search engines for the usage of "Flea Demons" in Mayan culture, and I got absolutely nothing.

[eternal talon]

from the crack to the facility being abandoned, it took almost a month, the security forces were able to hold out.

so there is some wiggle room.

[scenic yacht]

little bit of foreshadowing with the mayan disappearance

[tall anchor]

Isn’t the real world reason that the spanish brought the flu and that’s why the mayans died out?

[subtle verge]

That + measles, mumps, etc.

[small bobcat]

i also vaguely recall someone saying that "flea demons" were just plagues

[eternal talon]

i just don't see how the myans could have gotten to it.

[tall anchor]

That’s what I figure. it’s a bit bullshit because it’s super deep underground

[eternal talon]

it is very deep underground and again, the parasite.. the world would have ended much MUCH sooner

[tall anchor]

That’s why i dislike that log

[subtle verge]

My thoughts on the usage of "Flea Demon" was just a way to say there's intense blistering/reddening of the skin.

[eternal talon]

only reason why some still live on the surface AT ALL is because the parasite didn't make it out. only the virus.

[scenic yacht]

possible GIANT geographic change (earthquake?) leading to a cave being closed up leading to, or close to, the meteor?

[tall anchor]

Nah, wrong fault line + way too deep (1000m+)

[eternal talon]

would have woken the sleepers, and given their nature, they wouldn't be asleep when it is cracked again later on.

they'd've been woken up, and staved to death by the time modern humans opened it up.

[scenic yacht]

possibly why the mayans almost got wiped out a bunch of times?

[small bobcat]

ya those bastards were still banging on the blood doors after god knows how long

[eternal talon]

not sure. just a little wierd given consistancy.

i mean, as you can see in the complex, they are trying to hybernate again,

but still seem very much so not in a deep sleep yet.

[quick grove]

?

What woke em up

[eternal talon]

probably the month-long conflict?

[small bobcat]

no idea, nothing ever told us what

[quick grove]

True

[eternal talon]

from cracking the meteor until abandoning the facility and blowing the entrances?

[quick grove]

But what does a human tribe have to do with anything on earth with a rock so deep underground

[eternal talon]

no idea.

[scenic yacht]

well mayans have a lot a mysticism around them even today, a lot wondering how they disappeared. The devs could spin this somehow

[quick grove]

That log is trash throw it out

[quick grove]

Eh i don't like that idea tho how does mayas get so deep without proper mining equipment

[tall anchor]

it’s a clear rewrite of history, it pisses me off due to lack of anything of substance but it’s a clear foreshadowing thing

either that or it’s trying to throw us off

[subtle verge]

Keep in mind that article was written in 2043, as well.

[eternal talon]

what if,

[quick grove]

1943?

[eternal talon]

part of the meteor broke up when coming down and they dug up a small chunk of it?

[scenic yacht]

well the history and reason the mayans "disappeared" is still unknown

[quick grove]

Nvm

[subtle verge]

Mistype.

[eternal talon]

honestly who knows at this point.

[tall anchor]

It’s not though? We know the mayans were plagued by disease brought by the conquistadors

[eternal talon]

but we know it's mostly intact given that a: it only wakes up when the miners crack it
b: they didn't awake from the collision with earth and starve to death.

[tall anchor]

like, deadass we’ve looked at bodies today

[quick grove]

Conquistadors?

[subtle verge]

When Spain invaded Latin America.

[tall anchor]

Fancy word for the spanish people who came to latin america.

[scenic yacht]

that was the remnants of the mayan people, their bustling cities were abandoned a long time before

[quick grove]

Nvm

[eternal talon]

i seriously really hope we get to go into the meteor at some point.

and see what the aliens had made and their architecture, and all of that.

[tall anchor]

same

[eternal talon]

like a giant time capsule, from their time

[tall anchor]

that’s what i’m most interested in

[eternal talon]

maybe even get to look into alien archives and records and stuff from when they were fighting the infection, just more general lore about red alpha and their homeworld.

[subtle verge]

Woops.

Really dark and ant-like holes, baby.

[tall anchor]

lmao

[quick grove]

I mean we still need to go past the E tier levels

[small bobcat]

how deep was that, 2km?

we only went down to around 1km

[eternal talon]

how deep is what, the meteor?

[tall anchor]

1100m i think we’ve done

[quick grove]

1153m i think

[quick grove]

2km i think

[subtle verge]

Just barely half-way.

Yeah, 2km down the shaft is the meteor.

[tall anchor]

that sounds right

[quick grove]

Yeah its roughly around there i can't confirm

But i think E tier levels were the deepest

Id reckon F tiers if that becomes a thing

[eternal talon]

press F to pay respects to a fallen species.

[quick grove]

But yeah if the F tier levels ever do become a thing there's definitely going to be something to do with the coolers because i do remember a log stating that being down there is unbearable with the volcanic activity hence there was coolers activated to make it bareable

[scenic yacht]

in 1995 sediments were found in a lake showing signs of a "megadrought" in Quintana Roo, located in none other than the Yucatan Peninsula . Possible the megadrought caused the mayans to stumble on a cave or someway to access the meteor?

[quick grove]

For each expedition down there

[small bobcat]

its also entirely possible that the drought didnt happen in the game universe, but we dunno

[quick grove]

Even if they stumbled up it earth would have then been wiped out

Long before

[tall anchor]

Again, how the fork do you go that far underground in a cave system. even now we struggle to go that far

[scenic yacht]

well less population to spread it to, it probably just killed them off without chance to spread

[quick grove]

That still doesn't make sense

[scenic yacht]

that is a very good point, it would have to be an insane journey. A people going thru a megadrought would be desperate enough

[quick grove]

The Spanish found em and welp yeah they would have gotten infected

[eternal talon]

yeah but the thing is, with the virus this thing can hibernate for as we've seen, tens of millions of years at least.

[scenic yacht]

not if they all died before hand

[eternal talon]

er, with parasite, sorry.

not virus

[quick grove]

The virus wouldn't die tho

[eternal talon]

the virus alone just spreads and kills.

[scenic yacht]

ALSO the mayans finding the meteor would also explain how in the future, miners uncover sleepers in a cave. Causing the sleepers to take over the complex

The devs mentioned the mayans for a reason, I think it has good standing tbh

[eternal talon]

not to mention how maze-like caves are. imagine one that bloody long

they'd never get there

[tall anchor]

we haven’t even done it today

with modern equipment

[scenic yacht]

desperation for survival is a damn good motivator

[quick grove]

If that thing where SMC drilled into the meteor where the miners where attack by the sleepers that would explain it a bit but you also gotta realise they wouldn't make it that far down due to the lack of oxygen

[scenic yacht]

well its not like they dug, maybe they found a crack that led to the meteor

[eternal talon]

well to be fair we don't have no 40 mile long caves going down to giant alien artifacts.

[tall anchor]

well, we do know cave systems can go pretty long

[scenic yacht]

oxygen can get into caves

[quick grove]

But it would be hard to breath down there

[scenic yacht]

thats not how caves work, its not like elevation on a mountain

[eternal talon]

we can assume the parasite needs some form of oxygen, given the environment of red alpha

[quick grove]

And then you have to consider the heat by volcanic activity

[scenic yacht]

even in the deepest caves, oxygen is never a problem

[eternal talon]

it is a dusty hell-hole, but it does have oxygen.

[quick grove]

Yeah but it would make it hard getting down there in there in the first place into the caves that deep

[small bobcat]

did the logs mention there being a cave system going down deep that they may have built from? the only hypothesis i have is that they just dug through solid earth and it was originally a mine

[scenic yacht]

thats a good point but I dont think a cave system was mentioned sadly

besides sleepers being found in one

[quick grove]

And as I've said you need oxygen to go down

[agile plinth]

it was originally a mine created in a sinkhole

[tall anchor]

the fact we could breathe on red alpha means a few things - there’s enough oxygen in the air to breathe - red alpha is big enough for an atmosphere + a thick one - and there’s nothing toxic in the atmosphere

[agile plinth]

also in mines there is extreme ventilation at the deeper levels

[scenic yacht]

Oxygen isnt a problem going into caves and especially not mines

[agile plinth]

there is a low concentration of something toxic though

[quick grove]

Erm one of the logs said the air is breathable but there's something in it that makes it dangerous

[agile plinth]

otherwise there would be no need to wear a mask but a respirator

[eternal talon]

@agile plinth can you clear up the whole "finding SLEEPERS in the meteor thing?"

ty

[scenic yacht]

even in todays DEEPEST mine at 4000m oxygen isnt a problem

[scenic yacht]

YES

[agile plinth]

when have i said that

[scenic yacht]

in nature of sleepers

Biology, second paragraph

[quick grove]

Because we got oxygen pumps?

[scenic yacht]

nope, no need for them

oxygen gets down by streams

[agile plinth]

i was responsible for ecology and behavior

dunno about that part

[quick grove]

Umm if your going to mine for anything you need oxgyen down there my guy

[scenic yacht]

damn, who was responsible for biology

[tall anchor]

I was more meaning something along the lines of a dangerous gas

[eternal talon]

who was? any sauce?

[agile plinth]

ask @vague loom

[scenic yacht]

WE NEED THE SAUCE

[quick grove]

Ah

[vague loom]

Hi i was pinged.

[scenic yacht]

oxygen gets into caves and mines, however deep, naturally

[agile plinth]

hey grem

people have questions about the biology part of the sleeper analysis

[scenic yacht]

Biology second paragraph talks about sleepers being in caves @vague loom

[quick grove]

Only a limited supply of it tho

[agile plinth]

specifically this

[vague loom]

Hi yes

[quick grove]

So okay if the mayas got down there some how that would explain SMC miners being attacked by sleepers

[vague loom]

From what i understood of lore as i read it; core forms of the sleepers such as floaters were found.

[eternal talon]

from alpha red?

[vague loom]

Not the human-mutated forms initially.

[scenic yacht]

nope, oxygen is a none problem when dealing with the deepest caves and even the deepest mine in the world today at 4000m due to air streams

FLOATERS, in a cave?!

[quick grove]

Because the parasite got to the mayas that were down there and they got long enough time to develop

[vague loom]

Human mutated forms were a byproduct of human infection and subsequent mutation into their newer forms.

[scenic yacht]

dang thas a good theory

write that down

[vague loom]

Hang on switching bus. Brb

[eternal talon]

intresting. so fauna from red alpha DID come with the asteroid.

i was right.

ha!

[agile plinth]

floaters were never down there until we fucked up and left the gate open

[scenic yacht]

didnt hoot just say otherwise?

[quick grove]

Okay so the meteor is in our universe

And the planet?

[agile plinth]

depends what type of sleeper we are talking about

evolution works differently in different places

they evolved on earth and not red alpha

[scenic yacht]

he just said floaters were found?

[eternal talon]

he said non-human forms. so likely the original aliens. floaters could be an example

[scenic yacht]

here @agile plinth

[eternal talon]

not literally i don't think.

[agile plinth]

he didn't

only said sleeper variants

oh

[scenic yacht]

such as floaters

[vague loom]

Bleh i might be wrong though

[quick grove]

Yeah R6D3 one of the scans are a bridge and somehow theres floaters there

[agile plinth]

grem floaters aren't found at first

[eternal talon]

point being, red alpha native fauna.

coming with the meteor..

it literally is isn't it.

[agile plinth]

is what

[vague loom]

I also understand that basically whatever causes this infection is insidious and basically completely ubiquitous in red alpha

[eternal talon]

more evidence for the ark theory.

[agile plinth]

ark theory?

[quick grove]

Could be possible that the allens brought some stuff from there homeworld

[vague loom]

Maybe the meteor held materials that resonated with red alpha, allowing us to cross over to the dead plane.

[agile plinth]

yes, the crystals

[vague loom]

When we went over, all onsite staff were exposed to varying doses of mutagenic pathogens.

[quick grove]

The crystals

[harsh saffron]

Btw I wrote that more in a gameplay sense, as in: Why I put it into the same objective item category as something like a power cell, because you need it to advance in the level and/or you collect it as your main mission ^^

[quick grove]

Mans you went up for all of that

[harsh saffron]

Morning btw

[subtle verge]

Pretty sure floaters are only here because the tether didnt break in B1 when we left to extract.

[eternal talon]

the allens that made the techs. used the meteor to try to get away from the infection, to get to earth. infection came with them, so when we crack it, they are all infected, or whatever is in the meteor is.

[harsh saffron]

yeah I "read" everything when I wake up

[agile plinth]

exactly

[vague loom]

I mean you open the portal, solid matter phases through intact, so less ordered atoms like liquids and gases would make it too

[quick grove]

Yeah true

[quick grove]

[agile plinth]

the issue i see with that is that we have no proof of any intelligence great enough to do that anywhere

[vague loom]

And since the corpses in red alpha shown in b1 show early headsplit pathophysiology i can conclude whatever it is that's infectious basically exists there.

[scenic yacht]

you got a lot of reading to do about Time Travel Theory, TTT

[eternal talon]

the teleportation technology and artifacts had to have come from somewhere @agile plinth

[agile plinth]

yes

i have 2 things in mind

[harsh saffron]

I mean thats my theory too, so I liked reading about it more ^^

[agile plinth]

first is that the crystals activated and teleported a chunk of red alpha on random

or that they were activated, still by random chance, by the sleepers

[scenic yacht]

I have a thesis im working on, right now about it actually. Its just in a notepad form as of right now

[agile plinth]

also if they were in fact intelligent enough, why wouldn't we see that being a thing?

they even had 60 more million years to evolve

[eternal talon]

i dunno. the artifacts are kinda a wierd kink in that though

[agile plinth]

how could have they downgraded?

it would go against evolution

[eternal talon]

huh?

the parasite-virus is not the inteligent allens i'm talking about

[agile plinth]

what new aliens then

[eternal talon]

the allens that made the artifacts and the tech teleported the rock trying to get away from the infection

the infected them are the sleepers we encounter when we crack the rock.

[agile plinth]

why haven't we seen any sign of them?

[eternal talon]

we have.

[agile plinth]

which is?

[eternal talon]

artifacts, and the teleportation technology.

[quick grove]

If the mayas theory is correct

[eternal talon]

not humans, merv.

[agile plinth]

well boosters exist and they make about the same sense as the artifacts

[eternal talon]

boosters are more gameplay though

[agile plinth]

and the artifacts as well

oh

you mean like artifact 7

[eternal talon]

the same could be said for tool kits, supplies, health and ammo

[quick grove]

?

[eternal talon]

all the wierd stuff.

[subtle verge]

Boosters have lore. But kinda.

[quick grove]

Wait you're telling me MAYAS aren't human

[eternal talon]

nononono

they aren't the sleepers in the meteor

it's the allens.

[small bobcat]

nah man, theyre animals

[quick grove]

[eternal talon]

hoot just said the sleepers that were in there were fauna from red alpha

not human

[quick grove]

Oh

That makes sense

Okay so the Mayas theory is dead

[eternal talon]

yes.

[quick grove]

Okau

[eternal talon]

completely, in the waters.

[quick grove]

Throw it out

[eternal talon]

at least, to any major extent that effects the storyline as we know it.

[quick grove]

But the sleepers that were from the fauna are completely different looking from the sleepers now right?

[eternal talon]

primary story still the same. aliens try to escape the infection, teleport to earth, accidentally teleport infection with them, get infected, the infected hibernate, awake when we crack the meteor

yes

completely different species

[quick grove]

Ah okah

[small bobcat]

imagine the miners finally cracking through the eggs and a literal horde of floaters swarm out

[eternal talon]

the sleepers we see now are mutations of humans

[quick grove]

So aliens doomed us

[eternal talon]

not floaters

[quick grove]

Okay

[eternal talon]

yes, accidentally

[scenic yacht]

wait wait the maya theory is dead? how so?

[quick grove]

If we go deeper we most likely will see em

[eternal talon]

maybe,

depends if they are still there. we don't know the lifespan of a sleeper when not hybernating

[quick grove]

me finna fight them in hell because of this

[quick grove]

True wouldn't they just go back to sleep tho

[scenic yacht]

or possibly sleepers mutate into flyers

after enough time

[eternal talon]

no

[quick grove]

Not possible

[eternal talon]

the floaties are a completely different species

[scenic yacht]

oh yes thats right

[eternal talon]

they are just an infected species native to red alpha

same as the kraken

the infection doesn't have a main "form" it's just mutations on whatever hosts they consume.

[small bobcat]

youre saying that theres plausibly more alien sleeper forms that we have yet to see?

[eternal talon]

theoretically, yes.

though given how different sleepers look to humans,

they probably would look nothing like their species otherwise would

[scenic yacht]

I like the mayan theory, plus the devs literally are foreshadowing them lol

[eternal talon]

other than MAYBE statues and concept art though, you'll never get to see a non-infected 'live' one. their species went extinct millions of years ago.

[scenic yacht]

OR could the mayans have something to do with the pale creature Scheafer saw?! Mystical

[eternal talon]

and that's assuming we get to go inside the meteor AND it has that kind of stuff

pale creature could be an allen

[small bobcat]

we're still milling around in "the shallows" per se, i think it's gonna be a pretty big deal when we finally breach 1.5km

[eternal talon]

forget the shadows,

i wanna see what's in this rock!

[scenic yacht]

lets call "Deep Rock Galactic" and get them to drill into this thing lol

[small bobcat]

next rundown will feature SIX survival/distraction missions back to back as we support a large scale prisoners operation to venture ever deeper

[eternal talon]

sauce?

[small bobcat]

its joke lmao

i would legit skip that rundown if the madmen actually make it happen\

[eternal talon]

ooh

imagine. alien tech equipables.

that we can find in the ruins

would be neat.

[mystic pilot]

2hr warden protocol

no checkpoints

i can dream

[eternal talon]

don't need to dream

checkpoints are a NEW thing

[harsh saffron]

just stay in C3 for 2 hours 🙂

[mystic pilot]

dont think the older ones were 2hrs tho

idk i can only make that work with

giant kite cheese

guess im just not good enough

i want it to be like d4 too, you see everything over those 2hrs

sprinting through rooms of spitters

opn bulks to be greeted with scouts

[small bobcat]

warden protocol levels are pure pain

tried it once never again

[mystic pilot]

theyre the most fun

[quick grove]

That is if we go deeper

[small bobcat]

so it aint just gonna be pulsating naked men all the way down

[warm burrow]

one can dream

[quick grove]

No thats mimic creature with ashes are from the burning bodies

[scenic yacht]

Well yea but the Mayans could have something to do with it still, I mean bodies aren’t supposed to turn in to pale creatures after being burnt

[small bobcat]

well for now we have 0 idea what the hell it is

[quick grove]

You wanna torture me

R5B4 was torture

R6C3 is isn't bad enough you get tone of ammo

[quick grove]

Im saying it F tiers

[mystic pilot]

all i want is

fun

and thats what warden protocols are

[small bobcat]

ya idk if its just me or the game has been more generous with supplies in this rundown

[mystic pilot]

it has been

[small bobcat]

i knew it, we had been more comfortable with going loud than back in R5

[mystic pilot]

i think plentiful being the norm is fine, that way when it goes poverty all of a sudden you really feel it

[small bobcat]

ya, back then i was mad happy seeing my ammo being over 70%, proclaiming myself rich n all

[quick grove]

Then you haven't experienced true sufferment in life

[small bobcat]

ya my R5 beginner life was pretty cushy, running into pros who carry the game all the time

[quick grove]

Thats why i said R6C3 is easier than R5B4 more supplies in R6C3

[small bobcat]

i havnt done c3 yet

just he 1s, got stuck on d1, and maybe some a2 or b2

[quick grove]

C3PE first try

That just showes you man

Imagine having a warden protocol with reactors

Now that thats shit scares me

[quick grove]

Damn where all yall went

[small bobcat]

no idea bro

[dim scroll]

Now that i think about it, you cannot collect artifacts when outside of the "main timeline" in D4

Which is kind of strange as nothing should be blocking artifacts to appear after TPs as well

[quick grove]

Wait what

@dim scroll

What you smoking dude

[dim scroll]

I'm not smoking anything lol

I'm certain you can't collect artifacts after the 1st teleport and before the last one

I don't know if that's purely game design but if it isn't, then this is quite weird

[quick grove]

Well because there isn't any artifacts lol

It could also be a bug thing

Who knows

[dim scroll]

There are artifacts in D4

That's why i don't know if that's intentional or not

[quick grove]

Have you checked your artifact heat?

[dim scroll]

Yes i did

Artifact heat is related to the amount of artifacts you find in the WHOLE level

Not related to specific parts of it

[quick grove]

Eh it should be bug

[cobalt mulch]

d4 is prone to bugging out but yea we noticed the same, no artifacts amywhere the tab-map doesn't work

[analog frigate]

remember: doc said to ignore d4 lorewise

[wispy torrent]

Gtfo lore

[dim scroll]

Did he ? i didn't notice

😔

Yet D4 sounds like one of the most interesting levels lore wise

[analog frigate]

yeah but it breaks lore a lot so

iirc he said it's more of a concept idea

not sure though

[wispy torrent]

Gtfo lore

[quick grove]

Unfortunately its not canon

I think

[dim scroll]

I'm pretty sure it is

[quick grove]

Nah

Devs said D4 aint canon

[dim scroll]

Salsa

[quick grove]

Salsa?

[dim scroll]

Sauce

[quick grove]

Oh

[dim scroll]

I've never heard of a level that wasn't canon

[quick grove]

God everytime i hear "warning threat level OVERLOAD " i somehow love the sound when it says overload

[dim scroll]

The previous one was better imo

Though extremely annoying when you had to do stealth

[quick grove]

Literally the devs told us not to look into D4

[dim scroll]

yeah

doesn't mean it's not canon

Simply that we shouldn't care about it lore wise

[quick grove]

Oh i just love the sound of hearing it tho

[dim scroll]

We may have more info about it later tho

Warning threat level high

xd

[quick grove]

Nah

Warning threat level overload

Happy times

Anyways more lore less about me simping over an sound made by people

@dim scroll got any new juicy stuff?

Hello?

[dim scroll]

wat

what juicy stuff lol

[quick grove]

Ah any lore that we can go through

[dim scroll]

dunno

gotta wait for extended ig

[quick grove]

Got any ideas or theories so far

[royal finch]

I got a question ig

[quick grove]

Yes

[royal finch]

So like.... we're controlled by warden with the neural probe, but the deeper we go the weaker the signal is, could it be that at some point we'll be able to break the signal and remove the neural probe?

[analog frigate]

possibly

schaeffer did it

[royal finch]

Did Schaeffer do the same? Cause hes not being controlled now.

O yeah LOL

[analog frigate]

issue is i don't know how deep

[royal finch]

Given that were still under control on D and E levels in rundows

Rundowns^

Probably deeper than those

[analog frigate]

iirc they aren't the deepest

[quick grove]

Well the warden will most likely send us deeper

[analog frigate]

the deepest we have is 1.3km

which actually poses questions

[royal finch]

My assumption is 1.5-2km?

[quick grove]

F tier's would be the deepest if that ever happens

[dim scroll]

I wonder if schaeffer wasn't a "mistake" that warden used to justify reinforcing the neural probe influence

[analog frigate]

how exactly was schaeffer in control in r4e1 when he was in the same area we were

[dim scroll]

He probably managed to get rid of it

some way or another

[analog frigate]

but how exactly

it sounds like it's literally connected to his neural system

[dim scroll]

maybe he's using something to jam it ?

Or he managed to completely destroy it

idk how though

[quick grove]

He sees his headsup display

[analog frigate]

are we sure?

[dim scroll]

What's weird however

is how warden was aware of schaeffer's presence in R4E1

[royal finch]

He is going insane, either its nam-v or the warden partially trying to get through to him (which causes some confusion ig, like when he tried to remember what he was here for)

Or both.

[quick grove]

That wouldn't be possible

I think someone told me that schaeffer still sees his HUD and everything

[royal finch]

Yeah but the point is that hes not controlled anymore, but i bet warden tried at least once to regain control

[dim scroll]

we don't know if he can see it

lol

[quick grove]

No he's not controlled but he still sees em

[dim scroll]

Source for that ?

[royal finch]

And i wasnt talking about how he sees them, i was talking that warden could be trying to send a signal to his neural probe or try to erase his memories which causes the supposedly insane logs where he cant remember shit

[quick grove]

You need HSU for mem wipe

[royal finch]

Well, then maybe just sending some orders which were meant to get schaeffer back into line

Who knows

[quick grove]

I mean anyone in the HSU pods for god knows how long would lose thier shit about not remembering

[dim scroll]

You can't go crazy because of memory loss

Since you're literally losing whatever was traumatizing you

[quick grove]

I doubt he broke the program the Warden cant get to him anymore

[dim scroll]

On the other hand he could go crazy because warden is repeatedly trying to control him

[royal finch]

Im more curious on how he managed to stay uncontrolled in R4E1 if we were controlled

[quick grove]

Yeah but he gets flashes of em i think

[quick grove]

He broke his program remember

[royal finch]

How do you know?

Did i miss sum

[dim scroll]

dunno

There are plenty of ways to justify

[quick grove]

He told us

[dim scroll]

one of them being that warden didn't expect at some point that prisoners would be able to go against him

therefore introducing the neural probe

Though that wouldn't explain how schaeffer is aware of its existence

[quick grove]

Connection problems the deeper they go

But the wardens grasp are so tight on the four main characters they can't let go

Schaeffer on the other hands did

Wait

His tema

Team

They dead

But how

[dim scroll]

Killed by sleepers ?

[royal finch]

Assuming he broke the program, how was he able to do it?
We could say he went deep enough to the point where the signal broke and he was free, but wouldnt the signal be back up once he went up? He had to do something.

[quick grove]

No impossible he would be still chased by sleepers then

[dim scroll]

That's why he's been hiding

lol

He doesn't need to trigger objectives like we do

[quick grove]

Imagine hiding was a fucking mechanic in the game lol

[dim scroll]

He can move stealthily the way he wants

[royal finch]

imagine it was for the mimic

[quick grove]

Erm

I wouldn't know

But schaeffer when he talks he doesn't sound like he's running

More like talking

[dim scroll]

There are things called "breaks"

lol

[quick grove]

Just talking fast i dont know

[quick grove]

[dim scroll]

He's not being assaulted by sleepers 24/7

[quick grove]

If my dude took breaks hed be dead

[dim scroll]

You definitely can

[quick grove]

Id assume the warden killed his team

[dim scroll]

As long as you don't make any noise

Warden didn't

[quick grove]

How so

[dim scroll]

How would the warden kill them ?

Sending other prisoners ?

[wispy torrent]

No internet complex

[quick grove]

Because they broke their own program

[dim scroll]

Nothing is mentioned about the other prisoners though ?

[quick grove]

So warden sees them as a threat

[dim scroll]

Only schaeffer managed to do so

Not the other ones

[quick grove]

Just as he is seeing schaeffer as a threat

[quick grove]

If so i wonder what his teammates were saying to him

[dim scroll]

They've been killed, schaeffer escaped warden's control & has been roaming in the complex since then

Thing is we don't know what happened first : the killing or the escape of control

[quick grove]

Id say escape of control

The warden saw this set of an alarm

[wispy torrent]

How he survive that long

Nvm

[quick grove]

Schaeffer fuckin booked it his teammates died

[royal finch]

I could see that once Schaeffer somehow broke out of control, the warden gave orders to his team to kill him and Schaeffer had to kill his own teammates, or yeah, that alarm ig.

🤷‍♀️

[quick grove]

True

But schaeffer killing his own teammates is unlikely of him

He'd rather try and reason

[royal finch]

Given how the warden "motivated" us with error alarms, its probably that.

[quick grove]

Yes

[subtle verge]

On mobile so I cant search, but ctrl + f "bad rabbit hole" and look for D0c's comment.

On D4

[dim scroll]

😔

[subtle verge]

Hmmm one sec.

[quick grove]

Ah the warden protocols

[analog frigate]

he deleted it?

[dim scroll]

seems like it

[royal finch]

Rip

[analog frigate]

welp

that has 2 implications

either d4 is now canon

or

he just decided to delete it

[quick grove]

Not

[dim scroll]

D4 not being canon wouldn't make any sense

[quick grove]

I haven't played D4 it sounds hell ish so i wouldn't know

[dim scroll]

The simple thought of it would bring questions to all the previous levels

[analog frigate]

d4 can't be canon due to the way it messes with multiple universes and such things

[dim scroll]

I don't think it's multiple universes

more like messing with the prisoners' memories

[quick grove]

[dim scroll]

Or the tampered cubes themselves have an influence on it

[wild plank]

🧊

[royal finch]

Its actually pretty easy if you know what youre doing

[quick grove]

Multi verse multi dimensions I've had enough of that already

Lets go back to Schaefer

[quick grove]

[royal finch]

Its true xD d3 was harder than d4 at least to me.

As long as you know what to do you should be fine.

[quick grove]

[subtle verge]

Probably skirting the line with the NDA, honestly.

But that's my best guess.

[royal finch]

Youll get it one day bud.

[analog frigate]

yeah i imagine so

[quick grove]

Oneday when i have internet

But back to schaeffer

[royal finch]

Given how gtfo... works, i honestly expect to see him dead when we do finally meet

[quick grove]

Nah

Not really i don't think they will kill off an important character like that

[royal finch]

I dont either, but part of me expects the worst already LOL

How do you think the meeting will look like? Just us walking up to him and dialogue triggering or a full blown cutscene?

[quick grove]

Well schaeffer has gone mad but he's trying to get the 4 main characters to go deeper

[quick grove]

Cutscene

[dim scroll]

I don't think his message is limited to the 4 chars

5 people can't do shit against an AI and supposedly thousands of pawns

[quick grove]

I know but he's trying to reach us tho

[dim scroll]

He's reaching anyone who can hear his messages

[quick grove]

5 is better than one tho

[royal finch]

Could be the key to warden not hearing or listening to their conversation, or breaking them out of warden's control.

[dim scroll]

1 or 5 is nothing in front of 10K/20K

[quick grove]

But yeah i think a full blown cutscene would work as well an introduction to the mimic thing

[quick grove]

Yep

[royal finch]

Ngl i hoped the mimic will be introduced in extension or rundown 7 but it seems too early to introduce schaeffer ig?

[quick grove]

Anything is possible

[royal finch]

Unless the lore will get even bigger.

[quick grove]

Yeah and it needs to be passive

[royal finch]

I wonder why is it passive..

And why would it be added if its passive

New mechanic ayo?

[quick grove]

Nah no mechanic

Id reckon it would help schaffer because its from literal burned bodys

[dim scroll]

how tf do you manage to conclude that because it's from burned bodies, it'd help schaeffer ?

[quick grove]

Which Kovac burned

I think

[analog frigate]

unfinished business

a thing between KDS and gustavo

[quick grove]

Welp its ashy schaeffer remembers a fire of bodies

[dim scroll]

Yeah and ?

[quick grove]

So id assume it would rather help than kill

[dim scroll]

what kind of logic is that lol

[analog frigate]

it has no reason to help schaeffer

[dim scroll]

I remember a guy i hated back in elementary school

[analog frigate]

it can only think he is a part of KDS max

[dim scroll]

doesn't mean he wanna help me

lol

[quick grove]

It didn't kill the sleepers that attacked it so why would it try to kill Schaeffer

[analog frigate]

he's human

not a sleeper

[dim scroll]

Supposedly human

it almost looks like one

[quick grove]

We don't know it looks like

We only have a description

[dim scroll]

Since it looks "almost human", it's definitely bipedal

covered in ashes

[analog frigate]

i'm talkinga bout schaeffer

[analog frigate]

not necessarily bipedal

it could have more legs when it re-assembled itself somehow

since it's "made from multiple bodies fused into 1"

[dim scroll]

I don't think he'd say it's human when it's moving like any quadrapedal being

[quick grove]

Yes hence the burned bodies

[dim scroll]

Or he would've mentioned it

[analog frigate]

it could be something that kinda is like that one creature from the forest

[dim scroll]

monke ?

[subtle verge]

"Almost human, almost... but different" or something very close to that.

[dim scroll]

Damn looks sexy

[royal finch]

Armsy

[quick grove]

Well it looks human but not entirely

[dim scroll]

I would never call this something close to a human being tho

lol

[analog frigate]

has a lot of similarities

[royal finch]

Mann now im not sure how to draw it.

[dim scroll]

It may needs a proper mouth to speak as well

[quick grove]

True but wouldn't schaeffer mention these things

[dim scroll]

or vocal cords close to a human being's

[analog frigate]

not needed

[analog frigate]

that's needed

mostly

sort of

birds' vocal cords aren't all that similar to a human's

but they can mimic speech very well

[quick grove]

Yes

But the mimic seems to speak english fluently

[analog frigate]

pronounce it yes

[quick grove]

But also that i've reckonised is that the mimic thing sounds like it has screamed all day

[dim scroll]

Feels like it has a radio instead of vocal cords tbh

[quick grove]

Nah fucked vocal cords

[analog frigate]

yeah

[quick grove]

But then again schaeffer says it tries to speak

So it is learning the language of English so yeah

Very interesting

So we got the first thing that speaks besides warden and humans

And yes the warden does speak if some of you didn't realize

[wispy torrent]

Warden crying

[eternal talon]

is it confirmed that it is a sleeper at all?

[quick grove]

No speaking

[wispy torrent]

Can I get warden's voice reveal

[dim scroll]

There can't be a voice reveal

since it's an AI

[wispy torrent]

[quick grove]

No its from the burned bodys hence why its ashy

[quick grove]

I know but it does speak

[wispy torrent]

send

[eternal talon]

made from burned bodies?

[dim scroll]

Warden doesn't have a proper voice

[eternal talon]

i thought the implication was that it itself was just in the fire.

[dim scroll]

It can use voice samples to speak theorically

[analog frigate]

that was my theory on it, take it with a grain of salt

[quick grove]

When you click on a level and you see all the weird shit about the level you'd hear an audio play like someone is talking

[analog frigate]

it's just connecting the dots

[royal finch]

Ive never heard it speak
Or at least didnt realize it was warden

[dim scroll]

That isn't warden

lol

[analog frigate]

with the only things i could link to it

[wispy torrent]

Idk im deaf

[quick grove]

Thats the warden and it always says "get ready for droppoint depth 428m" something around those lines

[dim scroll]

I've never heard of that

[quick grove]

It is because theres no one else who would say depth 428m

[eternal talon]

it could be something like the dark ones in metro, no?

[dim scroll]

Audio clip ?

[quick grove]

Damn you don't listen

[dim scroll]

Not because i don't listen

[quick grove]

Ooo my favourite game

[dim scroll]

Because i'm almost certain that doesn't happen

[royal finch]

That'll make my drawing easier

[wispy torrent]

Ayo dark ones

[dim scroll]

If you have an audio clip then i can believe you

[eternal talon]

i meant moreso in function, like it's trying to communicate

[quick grove]

Go on the game yourself put you audio high and click on a level and listen

[wispy torrent]

No

[quick grove]

You'd hear it speak

[wispy torrent]

How

[dim scroll]

I can't access the game you donkey

[wispy torrent]

I cant

Send audio file

[dim scroll]

That's why i'm asking

[quick grove]

Why not

[dim scroll]

Because i'm far away from my main computer

& i'm using a laptop

by far away i mean 300 km away

[quick grove]

Bruh

[dim scroll]

And believe me i'm not gonna waste 3h on the road for an audio clip

[eternal talon]

so the info we have is;
it looks almost human
it can partially speak english
it is trying to communicate
it was attacked by sleepers once, but survived
it wasn't attacked by sleepers after that
it is covered in ash

right?

[dim scroll]

It kept speaking while being attacked by sleepers

as if it didn't care

Also blue veins

paper skin

[eternal talon]

it could be an allen of some sort, from the ship. cryogenically frozen or suspended until the miners cracked it

no idea

this entity is so wierd.

[dim scroll]

If they were an alien i'd at least expect them to show some intellect

Not being yeeted by sleepers

[eternal talon]

well sleepers don't talk, and we don't know what it's been up to in the facility.

[quick grove]

No no someone posted audio somewhere

[dim scroll]

Sleepers don't talk

[eternal talon]

it was obviously attacked by sleepers at first, and infected humans, not infected allens. so that could explain why it was trying to communicate.

[wispy torrent]

Sleeper voice reveal

[eternal talon]

https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/Rundown_6.0

[quick grove]

There

[quick grove]

I said the Warden speaks not sleepers

There

There's the audio

Also credit goes to droni

[dim scroll]

Oh that gibberish

[quick grove]

Who else would say that tho

[eternal talon]

god knows what the mimic could be up to. if it's not a sleeper, i mean.

[dim scroll]

Yeah so a robotic voice

[quick grove]

Thats in the game

[dim scroll]

ik

i see which one it is

[quick grove]

Okay who else would be saying that tho

Literally no oneb

It sounds robotic that can only mean the warden

That single peace of audio just means something to me

The warden speaks

Anyways ima go to bed its 2:40

[eternal talon]

what drawing

[quick grove]

He's making an illustration of how the mimic thing would look like

[royal finch]

Yuh

[eternal talon]

honestly, i think the only way humanity can "win" in the GTFO universe is if we eventually go down deep into the hive/meteor and destroy it, with some sort of alien reactor or power core, ala halo ce for example. given luckily for us, the parasite is still locked down within the complex.

[analog frigate]

humanity has already lost

[eternal talon]

the battle, yes.

[analog frigate]

no, the war

[eternal talon]

but the sleepers are still locked down within the complex.

[analog frigate]

this is like sending a nuke at some country while your's has just been nuked

you're fucked, but you are taking them down with you of sorts

[eternal talon]

potentially, though given only the virus made it to the surface, earth can likely rebuild in time though.

since everyone that was infected has long since died by now.

[analog frigate]

yeah

but i doubt things can be rebuilt seeing who we know is alive

[eternal talon]

remember, the only reason it lasted as long as it did in the meteor is it had the parasite to keep it alive in hybernation.

who do we know is alive on the surface?

[analog frigate]

approx. 25k randomly picked but commonly being very isolated

like

antarctica, isolated parts of africa, russia, autralia, canada, alaska, south south america

[eternal talon]

still, you can't not still see the potential here.

humanity's mostly fucked, but not completely

unlike the allens from red alpha, humans have the 'potential' to survive this

[analog frigate]

there is but it's low enough to almost completely disregarded

[eternal talon]

that is, if anything is done with the complex

otherwise the complex is just a ticking timebomb if someone opens it up again

[analog frigate]

you should also account for how far we are in the future, who those people are, how independent they are, if they can survive where they are

and a load of other things

[royal finch]

Angsty or bittersweet endings would fit gtfo the best. Though the most common method of winning even if youre fucked is probably destroying the core of this parasite by detonating it along with ourselves.

But yk, the devs might have a completely different thing planned

[analog frigate]

i didn't account for it originally since i didn't think much of it at the time

[eternal talon]

i'm counting less on the individual people's knowlege of survival, and more-so not having the infection on the surface anymore.

given again, the virus would eat itself to death rapidly.

[eternal talon]

most likely a suicide mission yeah.

[analog frigate]

then you are relying on around 2k brainwashed KSOs to rebuild the world

[royal finch]

If hackett dies im starting a riot
Just saying.

[eternal talon]

moreso to just 'survive' not to rebuild the world.

humanity probably won't get back to what it was before anytime soon

[analog frigate]

that still doesn't account for a lot of things

alright lets say they survive

[royal finch]

There could be a posssibility that someone survived on the surface. A slim one but mayb

[analog frigate]

they probably will

[eternal talon]

c'mon man, just be hopeful.

[analog frigate]

they are still controlled by the warden, almost completely brainwashed, we don't even know if there are any female KSOs, known to have only military skills and if they manage to get out of the warden's control like schaeffer, well, they'll end up close to how he is

[analog frigate]

there is no hopeful in lore, only realistic

[eternal talon]

wiped out the allens, but would be bittersweet to see humanity finally take it down and be left with as you said, a few isolated pockets of humanity

@analog frigate would you not be happy with a suicide mission being the final rundown a few years down the line?

[analog frigate]

it would be interesting

and such a mission makes sense

but the aftermath isn't hopeful

[eternal talon]

aw man now i gotta play through halo CE again to get the quote

[royal finch]

But isnt suicide mission a bit too predictable to happen

?

I think the devs would think of something more complicated or satisfying

[eternal talon]

i'll be back in a minute.. gotta replay the maw

[royal finch]

LOL good luck

[eternal talon]

literally just doing it for a closed captions screenshot of the dialogue at the end

[eternal talon]

this is BS

i died literally at the very end of the warthog run to a shotgun flood and i'm all the way back in the bridge

wtf

@analog frigate

[eternal talon]

^

[analog frigate]

aight

[eternal talon]

so honestly, don't remember if you were around at that time yesterday, what's your opinion on the plantlife on red-alpha?

do we have an arborist of some sort? or some kind of plant biologist in the server?

[analog frigate]

i am good at mainly physics and chemistry but my biology is decent

they are deep root desert plants

they have more than 100m long roots to leech off of groundwater

[eternal talon]

on how the plants survives on a planet with this insane of weather patters?

[analog frigate]

they basically live underground

[eternal talon]

do we know there is water on red alpha?

[analog frigate]

the part on top doesn't do much of anything

[analog frigate]

i don't remember if durant said it

[eternal talon]

it's got little flowers on it

[analog frigate]

i think there is

then it's still a deep root desert plant

[eternal talon]

what would explain the dust storms? scientifically

even earth has never seen anything that extreme

[analog frigate]

it's due to the quantity of dust

[analog frigate]

earth has extreme weather as well

typhoons, high wind, tornadoes

[eternal talon]

nothing like dust clouds higher than mountains stretching across the horizon

[analog frigate]

except there is just dust and sand there

so instead of clouds and water

it's dust

there isn't much moisture

[eternal talon]

that's what i mean. so IF there is water, it is very very sparse

so the plantlife makes not much sense

[analog frigate]

not necessarily

[eternal talon]

at least, not on surface level

[analog frigate]

groundwater exists

yes

[eternal talon]

which makes me question why the fauna is still alive on red alpha

[analog frigate]

again, groundwater

[eternal talon]

the kraken and the floaty bois had to have been living off of something before being infected

given they weren't hibernating, and were already awake when we came through

[analog frigate]

not confirmed they were infected

[analog frigate]

we don't know if they have underground tunnel systems resembling what is described on the meteorite

[eternal talon]

they had to be infected animals of some sort. creatures, virus or not require sustenance.

there has to be an ecosystem of some sort somewhere

otherwise there would be no life at all.

[analog frigate]

they could be the original sleepers for all we know

[eternal talon]

even if that were true, they'd still require food and water to continue existing.

and aging exists with natural cell decay.

nothing just lives forever.

[analog frigate]

that's if they are carbon based

[eternal talon]

they don't attack the sleepers on earth.

so they are obviously similar enough

[analog frigate]

yes

[eternal talon]

they can not be the original sleepers. it's been far too long given they are still active when we come through, that's the tough part.

it would be different if they were hibernating when we came through

but they were already active

[analog frigate]

why would it be too long?

[analog frigate]

we aren't the first on red alpha

[eternal talon]

the meteor is 65 million years old minimum

[analog frigate]

durant and his team was there before us

they could have woken them up with the deepscans

which actually works with how sleepers detect things

certain frequencies they can detect

probably woke them up from wherever they live in

[eternal talon]

i seriously doubt they are the original sleepers. that just doesn't make sense given sleepers as we know them are just the virus/parasite combo.

they wouldn't have an original form

because their original form is the parasite and the virus.

[analog frigate]

makes sense but i'd rather be open to possibilities

[eternal talon]

not a multi-cellular organism

[analog frigate]

they already are multicellular

[eternal talon]

you know what i mean

[analog frigate]

i apparently don't

[eternal talon]

the "original sleepers" are the virus and the parasite.

not whatever the floaters are.

the floaters are more than likely just some other creature they infected.

just like the kraken

[analog frigate]

that's true

[eternal talon]

by multicellular i meant like, you or me. just a big organism.

[analog frigate]

that's not how multicellular creatures work but i get it

[eternal talon]

aren't viruses not multi-cellular?

i know parasites are

i think

maybe i dunno.

[analog frigate]

viruses don't work like normal cells

parasites are multicellular