Given Kraken is a giant Sand worm correct?
#gtfo-lore
vagrant fiber
eternal talon
probably a bloody well lot.
a whale's anatomy is completely different from a bird
and that's the difference we are kinda talkin here
with the floaties and the kraken
vagrant fiber
Whale would be more closer to a human Sleeper given both are mammals.
eternal talon
it probably doesn't really care on the specifics, just that it can.
vagrant fiber
Just would be interesting to see a autopsy of a Sleeper to see how much it has changed from the original host.
The internal organs etc.
eternal talon
would also be interesting given the infection on earth has changed very greatly from the infection back on alpha red.
it's adapted for low light and is constantly trying to hybernate given it's used to no nutrition for millions of years.
why we always see sleepers, well, sleeping.
and the ones on alpha red being constantly hunting.
seeing the two strains fight would be so cool, however unlikely
vagrant fiber
Hivemind A to Hivemind B=Resolution would be mutual given if they share the same pheromones.
eternal talon
well, they live literally off of mutation
eternal talon
so given the timeframe, who knows.
subtle verge
Written by some folks here, and a guy with a legitimate degree in biology.
eternal talon
you can't tell me you wouldn't love to see a grand battle between the hives trying to infect eachother
subtle verge
Going for his doctorate right now.
vagrant fiber
Was looking for this
solar nova
and the ones on alpha red being constantly hunting.
We have sleepers here that hunt, though, differentiated by skin pigmentation.
eternal talon
interesting.
subtle verge
Was looking for this
Keep in mind that this is what we can observe in-game, and using deductive reasoning and scientific reasoning. It's an ongoing process that will be updated as we learn more.
eternal talon
potential for they to be a part of that other hive, given i don't see how the ones being on earth for millions of years would just shed low light sensitivity while still underground for seemingly no reason
solar nova
Alarm enemies seem to be almost exclusively on the move, and they close in on us when we do things to attract their attention (alarms, reactors, scouts, etc.).
eternal talon
well the alarms likely woke those up though
solar nova
They have a different pigment, though.
Which suggests they're a completely different set of sleepers.
eternal talon
could be a variation of alpha reds' then from when the floaties came through i guess
but who knows when that technically was on the timeline
given it's a bit wierd now
it's still very up to debate
solar nova
Would also correlate well with how hybrids behave.
eternal talon
what would
solar nova
They can hibernate, but they're also seemingly "leading the charge" at blood doors by pissing things off.
solar nova
what would
Hybrid pigmentation.
eternal talon
that assumes the two hives would work together and not kill eathother
which, we are already way past theory territory
solar nova
I mean, they tend to cooperate when we see them together.
solar nova
R2*
vagrant fiber
The Creature that Schaefer log mentions could a human be infected by the virus but by some method the parasite is killed by the human immune system leaving only the virus in their body.
eternal talon
could be
could be why they consider themselves human aswell
because their mind is still kinda there
that, or it very well could be a VIRGIL situation
from halo odst
placid beacon
o
eternal talon
where it just took the consciousness
eternal talon
yeh
placid beacon
@vagrant fiber is this the creature with the ashey skin?
eternal talon
honestly,
vagrant fiber
Correct.
subtle verge
I highly doubt it, honestly, though I'm open to the idea.
subtle verge
I still subscribe to the mimicry idea of the white creature.
eternal talon
ehh, it didn't kill the dude it was talking to though
for a parasite alone, doesn't make sense to grow morals.
subtle veldt
wats goin on ere
eternal talon
it HAS to be something whacky
vagrant fiber
Make sense how the hivemind would tear it apart due to it would think it a cancer how it can't be controlled.
eternal talon
either a Virgil or the parasite only partly infecting it.
subtle veldt
oh
subtle verge
ehh, it didn't kill the dude it was talking to though
Mimicry doesn't have to be hostile. I'm open to the idea of a passive sleeper.
subtle veldt
schaeferr's talker?
subtle verge
Yeah.
vagrant fiber
Correct
placid beacon
it'd definetly not change the fact that it would be terrifying as fuck
to suddenly hear something speaking
subtle veldt
or
placid beacon
lol
eternal talon
i'm going with the VERGIL idea.
i think that would be more interesting for the story
subtle veldt
maybe it's a vessel for handing out mutations to the sleepers
eternal talon
the potential for a friendly hive fighting the others.
eternal talon
just touching them wakes them up though
talking would be a pointless trait for that.
subtle veldt
time limits
subtle verge
the potential for a friendly hive fighting the others.
I feel like that is either lazy writing or completely diverges from the concept and practicality of the game in it's current state.
If they build up the story to replicate that idea with current evidence that we have, I'd be more open to it. However I feel that would derail the story and make it way too fantasy in it's current state.
eternal talon
sleeper tentacles can feel an entire room
subtle veldt
maybe whatevr's controlling them has a time limit
wake up mutiple rooms through speech?
vagrant fiber
If the vector payload can't be delivered from the parasite then the host will regain its individuality.
subtle veldt
it's fascinating
eternal talon
@subtle veldt why not just roar into an intercom?
subtle veldt
because they would attack the PA?
placid beacon
hum
subtle veldt
What if by Talking it is by means of Psionics?
speaking in toungues?
eternal talon
then again, either virgil or the parasite not fully controlling them
placid beacon
considering biology of the sleepers we have seen thus far, it seems reasonable. @vagrant fiber
vagrant fiber
Sleepers can't talk I read the nature of sleepers log
placid beacon
yea
subtle verge
Telepathy.
It's not telepathy or psionics by any means, otherwise we wouldn't have heard it through Hearsay.
eternal talon
i'm just sayin, virgil would probably be way more interesting than just a dude that got failed to be fully infected.
subtle veldt
that dont speak YOUR language?
subtle verge
Telepathy and psionics is a direct communication from one mind to another.
eternal talon
they tried that sort of thing in QUAKE 4 and it made no sense plot wise
vagrant fiber
Auditory hallucinations via pheromonal exposure
subtle veldt
A question I have is: The sleepers attacked it, wounding it. but they didnt finish it off?
subtle verge
That still doesn't compute with a machine capturing the voice.
subtle veldt
Why?
placid beacon
it's possible it's intelligent enough to avoid such demise @subtle veldt
subtle verge
A question I have is: The sleepers attacked it, wounding it. but they didnt fini...
We can see this in nature. While you can have two fire ants, they might be from a different colony and secrete a completely different pheromone.
eternal talon
could have been trying to forcefully fix the control issue, and thought they did.
subtle verge
I'm going into headcanon territory here, but I believe that it has an ability to regenerate itself over time.
eternal talon
would explain why they stopped
subtle veldt
from the flames
thats why it's back and upright
if schaeffer's a sort of cultist?
eternal talon
i don't know if you can out-heal fire
subtle veldt
maybe he screwed around and that's HIM?
vagrant fiber
Um the fuck... Listening to audio file human speech mimicry. The voice is clear speech but how and why. The parasite trying to become us.
analog frigate
if schaeffer's a sort of cultist?
no, he is just in mania
eternal talon
so virgil @vagrant fiber
vagrant fiber
No more like bridge our species and its.
subtle veldt
yes
eternal talon
but why though?
subtle veldt
it did so with the meatballs
subtle verge
Again, we can see it in nature. Parrots/Lyrebirds can mimic sounds to defend itself from predators, and there are predators that can also mimic sounds to hunt.
eternal talon
it did not.
subtle veldt
i believe that the meaties were once a sentient civ
eternal talon
meatballs are a completely different thing
subtle veldt
like the flood?
eternal talon
i seriously doubt a parasite is trying to be diplomatic
subtle veldt
"do not shoot, we have a greater enemy at hand"
subtle veldt
none
but maybe it wants something more than just to kill
but had to in order to get closer
eternal talon
the entire planet has been destroyed by the virus though
subtle veldt
yeah
eternal talon
earth
vagrant fiber
It wouldn't need to trick us to kill us
vagrant fiber
This has to be something more.
eternal talon
it wouldn't need to talk either.
subtle veldt
maybe the warden has something it wants
eternal talon
i'm guessing either the parasite didn't fully take over the host,
or it's a vergil.
subtle veldt
vergil?
eternal talon
halo 3 odst vergil. subsuming another's consciousness. basically the parasite taking the memories and mind of the human it's controlling
subtle veldt
who was vergil?
eternal talon
the engineer that took his consciousness was vergil.
vagrant fiber
Phantoms from Prey.
subtle veldt
the original?
eternal talon
it's just easier to say 'a vergil scenario' than all of that.
vagrant fiber
No 2017 Typhon
subtle veldt
ah
eternal talon
esentially the parasite becoming the human in mind, but still being the parasite in body
could be mutating itself to try and talk
whatevs
vagrant fiber
Correct or playing with its hosts memories to speak to try to understand us more
doing its own form of testing.
eternal talon
honestly if it was testing, it wouldn't just be one random sleeper
vagrant fiber
Multiple a pattern.
eternal talon
it'd be likely a greater effort by the hive if it was so vital
it has survived underground far longer before, it wouldn't need that.
vagrant fiber
Why now try to communicate make first contact if all it was doing was trying to kill us.
eternal talon
i'm saying because it is it's own thing now
if it did a vergil and became sentient, it likely wouldn't remain part of the hive
making it need to pick a side
vagrant fiber
Assimilated enough thoughts and neurons from its hosts.
eternal talon
and the hive as seen with them trying to kill it, wouldn't let it back it
so it's trying to talk to humans.
so it probably did try to go back.
vagrant fiber
A new species of sleeper given the others are more primitive and this one is far more intellect than the previous iterations.
Neurons not Phermones.
eternal talon
i don't think it'd be part of the hive still.
that's like a bee deciding one day that it doesn't like antennae vibrations and will instead design a language to communicate better
vagrant fiber
The Virus mutates at random anything is possible.
given a different host a mutation is not always beneficial
eternal talon
really, it's the parasite doing the controlled mutations
subtle verge
I don't think it's a Vergil or anything outlandish like that without any basis of scientific reasoning. Schaeffer states that it's able to walk through the Sleepers as if it were a ghost. Scientifically, this leads to the idea of a pheromonal response that it has that prevents it from being attacked again, and also draws from the base idea that the rest of the colony responds to pheromones.
eternal talon
what's to say it just didn't do that so it wouldn't be attacked again?
subtle verge
There isn't any base claim or visual cue anywhere in-game, with what we currently have, that indicates any form of consciousness transfer.
eternal talon
that could go either way
that's what makes it so strange
that it's trying to talk.
subtle verge
Again, mimicry is a powerful tool, especially in the animal kingdom. It's probably heard these conversations or words before and is using it to it's advantage for whatever reason it may have.
subtle verge
I don't think it has any form of sentience outside of instinct at this current moment.
eternal talon
it's a hive, not a centeral inteligence though
vagrant fiber
But why repeat it as if just neurons firing speaking the words of departed humans.
eternal talon
maybe it doesn't know if we understand it?
like how some people repeat things when they lose their voice
vagrant fiber
Possible but the anatomy doesn't line up.
subtle verge
Listen to the audio log, again. Schaeffer asks it questions, using words that the creature has used, or even should understand, yet it doesn't respond.
vagrant fiber
Given what we know about strikers.
subtle verge
Probably because it doesn't understand words, but understands the sound we use to communicate.
vagrant fiber
Right
eternal talon
look, i'm just saying, it would be far more interesting if it was sentient, and not just a mindless drone trying to trick us
dim scroll
For some reason it knows what to say at "what the fuck are you"
but not "are you human ?"
eternal talon
it could not know itself
i mean, it's not human, but with a human mind, it's neither.
so it might just not know how to answer
dim scroll
It still could answer because, for some reason, it heard something similar & mimicked the answer to it
eternal talon
if it was trying to trick us, what would the goal be?
we know they don't need stealth or negotiation
subtle verge
To protect the colony, to lull it's prey closer so it can kill it, who knows?
eternal talon
neither make sense, but i think it being sentient is slightly more logical
dim scroll
To protect the colony, to lull it's prey closer so it can kill it, who knows?
Why was it attacked by the sleepers then
dim scroll
Except if it's a galaxy brain who knew schaeffer was spying on it & tried to make it believe sleepers are not allies as well
subtle verge
Why was it attacked by the sleepers then
eternal talon
parasites are small creatures. they aren't that big brain
dim scroll
Yet it is so different from regular sleepers
eternal talon
because it isn't mindlessly killing.
dim scroll
Wasn't that the sole purpose of sleepers tho
Sleeping & killing anyone who disturbs them
eternal talon
to kill and spread the infection.
subtle verge
Defend the colony, like any colony-like insect or creature would.
dim scroll
Yet this one didn't even try to attack schaeffer
eternal talon
it doesn't have a centeral inteligence, so it's just to infect as many while spreading outwards.
subtle verge
Yet this one didn't even try to attack schaeffer
We don't know that.
dim scroll
Well if i were it i wouldn't even try answering schaeffer
eternal talon
defending territory, though it normally wouldn't do that.
subtle verge
In the audio log it doesn't attack Schaeffer, hence why it was trying to lower his guard using it's mimicry.
And the log cuts off before we hear the aftermath of that conversation, or what Schaeffer did after.
eternal talon
is schaeffer armed and armored?
dim scroll
No idea
subtle verge
I would believe so.
eternal talon
we go into gtfo with loaded military equipment
dim scroll
But i find it difficult for schaeffer to be in the complex for so long without any weapon
subtle verge
He does state that he has places he can hide and want to kill the creature.
dim scroll
I hardly believe there is no place in the complex where you can get weapons & ammos
eternal talon
likely would be either picked clean depending on where warden sends teams,
or all empty
it was quite chaotic until the place was locked down
there are corpses everywhere
subtle verge
or all empty
There would be leftover provisions from KSOs trying to defend against the Sleepers during the initial invasion. That's why we see so many lockboxes and lockers around with ammo and medkits.
vagrant fiber
Does anyone that we know say these words in the audio logs
That the creature says or cross referance
dim scroll
There would be leftover provisions from KSOs trying to defend against the Sleepe...
Yet it's kinda weird we don't see a single weapon
vagrant fiber
True
subtle verge
Yet it's kinda weird we don't see a single weapon
Probably a game design choice rather than a lore design.
eternal talon
given how big the station is,
dim scroll
I mean
eternal talon
there should be a tram network but we don't see that either.
dim scroll
we can see bodies everywhere
eternal talon
nor security, or offices, esc esc
dim scroll
1 or 2 weapons shouldn't hurt
eternal talon
it's just gameplay.
dim scroll
Could be justified by "warden already secured these places" or "warden doesn't care about these places"
Which is paradoxal if it's looking for intel
eternal talon
where IS the warden, is it down in the complex?
vagrant fiber
Maybe the weapons are stockpiled somewhere the sleepers gathered them knowing they were killing them.
eternal talon
@vagrant fiber they aren't that smart.
vagrant fiber
True or the weapons are located in a armory else where that Kovac hasn't disclosed
subtle verge
where IS the warden, is it down in the complex?
Warden is top-side, I believe.
dim scroll
where IS the warden, is it down in the complex?
Pretty sure it's on the surface
If they could, prisoners definitely would've escaped that hell
subtle verge
Or at least in the upper thresholds of Garganta.
eternal talon
i'd just think security and what not would have secured arms and armor and made their way through the tram network to near the surface
we know the virus made it to the surface
so some could have survived, or died in the upper levels, where we haven't been yet.
we've only been deep down in the hole.
it's far more than likely the complex would have standard ground-level entrances built into hills and mountains
dim scroll
It's in the desert tho
subtle verge
It's in the middle of a crater in the Yucatan Peninsula.
eternal talon
@dim scroll jungle trees
eternal talon
@subtle verge just an example, but generally surface level
subtle verge
Yucatan isn't a desert, it's tropical.
dim scroll
Mamamia
eternal talon
just having one big hole would not be efficient
subtle verge
just having one big hole would not be efficient
There's a secured base top-side that has elevator shafts.
eternal talon
@dim scroll R1 you could see trees, hear rain and birds at the start before lowering into the hole if you looked up
subtle verge
The giant hole was used for quickly transporting stuff to lower levels.
eternal talon
no idea
subtle verge
We also have to remember that Garganta was still in the process of being built in the lower levels when they dug into the meteor, so it's likely that a tram/travel system wasn't implemented for that reason.
There could have been future plans for it, but that's up to interpretation.
eternal talon
the complex is reallly really deep
they'd have had to just to remove soil and rubble
to dig it.
subtle verge
It is deep from our perspective, but there's still a 98km left of the outer crust before we even touch the surface of the second layer of the earth.
So it's mostly hard rock and incredibly compact dirt at this layer.
subtle verge
They have a massive drill at the bottom.
eternal talon
that kind of stuff REQUIRES a rail line to get through
of the pit.
what about the individual tunnels and hallways that would have to be cleared?
finite vine
<@!208595588709613569> R1 you could see trees, hear rain and birds at the start ...
i don’t think so...
eternal talon
it's a lot.
subtle verge
what about the individual tunnels and hallways that would have to be cleared?
Probably other high-tech drills/tools and the use of explosives.
eternal talon
i'm certain you could see trees and rain. i'm a bit more iffy on birds, but certain on trees and rain.
yeah, and that rock and earth has to be hauled out
via lift and railcar.
subtle verge
The big rail system we travel on is what they used.
Helicopters and other things like that, as well.
subtle verge
Yeah, there's a log that states they used helicopters to expedite the transfer of packages to the lower levels.
Most likely the HSUs.
eternal talon
the pilots better have a steady hand or it's about to clog the hole real fast.
that's rediculous
subtle verge
The hole is probably a lot larger than what you're imagining.
eternal talon
also very inefficient
subtle verge
Iridium, baby.
When you're the #1 company in terms of profit and value, you don't give two shits. Lmao.
eternal talon
still, a helicoptor will never be more efficient than an freight elevator.
in terms of both capacity and speed.
neither profit or value relavant.
subtle verge
Again, it's not about efficiency, at that point it was also secrecy of what it is.
Get it down there, fast.
subtle token
I was just about to say helicopters loud af
subtle verge
I'm not saying stealthy.
eternal talon
tree cover won't do much for stealth, now will it?
finite vine
i think it’s more likely that they used helis to transport stuff to the elevators
subtle verge
I'm saying "keep those with lower clearance out of the loop."
eternal talon
so let's fly helicoptors way above the trees where trucks would be able to covertly travel?
or why not just dig a tunnel to outside the crater...
finite vine
what wrong with using helicopters
eternal talon
if you live near a major hospital,
you'll know you can see helicoptors from miles around
can't do that with a truck.
or a train.
finite vine
it doesn’t matter if they are loud or visible it’s a compound
subtle verge
We're not really near any cities or trucks.
We're like 15km off the coast.
Or somewhere nearby.
eternal talon
i can't belive i'm having to argue this.
subtle verge
SMC purchased those 15km off-coast land.
finite vine
yea they probably have the whole area locked down
eternal talon
a train can carry way more and is way faster than a heli will ever be
an elevator can go up and down better
why
finite vine
lmao it does not matter lol
eternal talon
ever use a heli in this scenario?
subtle verge
It's semantics at this point.
They did it, they had a reason for it.
It was more than likely to transfer the HSUs to the lower levels for Kovac.
Doing so keeps prying eyes away from the secrecy of the product.
eternal talon
secrecy..
subtle verge
Worker 1: "Why the fuck is a helicopter in the middle of a hole in the ground?"
Worker 2: "Beats me. This place is weird."
Done.
royal finch
Ngl I'd rather use a helicopter than build entire ass tracks for the train and the station for it which could be a lot more suspicious (probably, and riskier?) to get 15km off the coast when a heli would be a better choice.
But as to why they ended up transporting the HSUs down WITH A HELI in that darn hole is beyond me.
eternal talon
^^^^^^^
subtle veldt
why the hell would you use a helo?
subtle verge
Look, I'm just giving you what is written there in the logs. Exactly why it happened, I don't know. It's conjecture and reasoning at this point, and it's not really that important in the grand scheme of things.
subtle verge
I'm more than positive that they used the drop-line that we descend with for it and many other things.
royal finch
^
subtle veldt
i think the drop line could've been used to deploy kovac sleeperkiller teams in the early stages for fast response?
eternal talon
i think the breakout would be too fast for that
entire complex was probably overun in a matter of hours
subtle verge
They sent in KSOs to dispatch the sleepers.
eternal talon
how long did they last?
subtle veldt
until the blast that rent through the floors came in
dont know
hold on
ill find it
subtle verge
No idea. It doesn't really state anywhere.
eternal talon
because i'd think anybody within the bottom 20 or so floors would be basically doomed
and it'd probably be more likely to seal about 1/3rds of the way up, dooming even more to die
subtle verge
There's a few logs that talk about "KSOs dealing with the sleepers" over the course of a few days/maybe a month or so.
eternal talon
a month??
eternal talon
no way they held out down there for a month
that's crazy
why didn't they blast the entrances and seal it off?
they coulda prevented earth being lost.
subtle token
hindsight?
subtle veldt
see here
../BIOCOM
illicit communication
meta3.date_stamp(531013.130946)
concern begins/..
D-Lock Block Cipher
alias:int_server.1024_ciph.D017.tier4.a_chaperon.flagged
Well fuck me, you called it Art.
What the hell just happened? The entire place shut down on us. Gianna said the mole broke through some kind of barrier. She noped the fuck out of there and told Insight to go and investigate it. Not that I’d call her a reliable source anymore. 4 of her team have bit it in the last 3 years, so… yeah. It doesn’t take much for her to GTFO.
So Insight charges in (FUCK THOSE GUYS) and clears the area. As per we don’t hear shit from them. I’ve got a 300 strong workforce all looking at their Pit Boss waiting for an order, only I know as much as they do so fuck me, right? Then I remembered that backdoor you told me about, so a bit of rewiring here, a cable patch there and…I had a listen. DON’T PANIC. I was careful. Used up all my knowledge from CS studies in community college.
Anyway, I didn’t understand a lot of what the nerds were talking about but I did get that they sent a probe in to inspect the chamber. They’ve got KSOs holding off Sleepers left and right but they’re keeping it held down then suddenly BOOM. I know you must have felt it. We were topside and we felt it. Honestly, I thought the walls were going to collapse and we’d all be drowned then I remembered I built them so NAH WE GOOD.
I don’t know what it was though. Some kind of energy blast that fucked up anything in its path and left behind these molten passages. Like shit isn’t mad enough already on this job, now we got laser beams shooting at us.
Fucken. Nutz.
They’ve told us we’re all getting a week off while they figure out “the issue”. I know I’m gonna lose some people over this. They’ll risk the Kovac perimeter rather than go back down there.
Fuck this. Fuck them. Fuck you. Only not you. See you in Chix for stogie.
Shafe.
../BIOCOM
personnel files updated
alert system flagged
concern ends/..
subtle verge
We don't know.
eternal talon
when you've got something that works that fast, you just don't take chances though
royal finch
I think its possible, KSO was a large group and the company was big, so it could afford good stuff to defend
But yeah sealing the complex would be better.
subtle verge
I mean KDS was the #1 private military company in the world.
eternal talon
why then at the very least did they only have one line?
they had miles of underground to work with..
subtle veldt
yeah
the "barrier"
think that when they broke through the "barrier"
they woke the up
scouts screamed
more woke up in different parts
eternal talon
well probably. cracked like an egg and whatever was in there came pouring out
i wouldn't think they would have scouts yet.
subtle veldt
and found seismic faults to crack open to get garganta side
eternal talon
they would have probably some form of infected allens
subtle verge
Read the redacted log about the discoveries of the tunnels and stuff.
eternal talon
and i doubt they still had things awake down there for 6 millions years just waiting for it to be opened
subtle verge
Dr. Stokes wrote about it.
subtle veldt
i think the meaties made the matter wave projecter pre infection
eternal talon
they probably woke them up with the blast.
subtle veldt
thats what i mena
eternal talon
maybe floaty bois, maybe not
subtle veldt
yeah
eternal talon
we don't know what the allen species that made the advanced tech were
though i doubt it's the floaties
royal finch
New enemy aliens??? 
subtle veldt
maybe
eternal talon
they would have rotted away by the point we go to red alpha
the floaties are more than likely just native animals to red alpha
eternal talon
given they are still awake
eternal talon
the aliens that made the tech were probably in the meteor
or whatever was left of their species
subtle veldt
aliens engineer style?
eternal talon
one or a few were infected when they teleported it,
all got infected, and went into hybernation where the meteor landed
subtle veldt
yeah
eternal talon
cut 6 million years, humans wake up the infected allens, become first sleepers
eternal talon
because the allens are awake, they rot and die
subtle veldt
flea deons
eternal talon
cue why we don't see any of the allens that made the stuff
royal finch
I wonder if theres a cure or some sort of solution to the parasite. 👀
eternal talon
the allens would have found it
subtle veldt
probably
eternal talon
way more advanced than humans
subtle veldt
but hard to obtain
eternal talon
they wouldn't have fled to earth if they found it
subtle verge
Two things: MWP is man-made, the only thing not man-made are the crystals, which are the catalysts for the transportation.
eternal talon
yeah, crystal is alien tech
quiet raven
The artifacts ?
subtle veldt
yesh
royal finch
Werent the crystals assumed to drive the meteor to hit the earth?
eternal talon
probably were being studied by scientists that cracked the meteor
would explain why they are everywhere
quiet raven
Sorry, I just joined and I'm even more confused than I was by the lore, now learning there are aliens
eternal talon
multiple species of allens julongus
quiet raven
Ah hell yeah, my kind of shit
royal finch
eternal talon
the parasite-virus symbiotic world-ending blitzkrieg thing, the allens that built the techie stuff, all kinds.
read through chat log.
quiet raven
Will do
royal finch
Fr though, someone said the crystals were the reason why the meteor hit earth.
Why, how and was it an accident or premeditated action?
subtle verge
There are no aliens, I think we should nip that in the bud right now, honestly.
The sleepers are not aliens.
eternal talon
i think the allens probably saw earth as habitable and opened a portal and yeeted the meteor through
quiet raven
The sleepers are definitely ex-humans
analog frigate
flyers and the kraken count as aliens yes
but that's the full extent
eternal talon
sleepers? yes.
subtle verge
flyers and the kraken count as aliens yes
This is correct.
analog frigate
technically yes but then it depends what you define alien as
eternal talon
mhm
analog frigate
it's a virus that's been on earth longer than humans have
analog frigate
so then by that humans could be counted as aliens as well
so technically it's not
eternal talon
mhm
subtle verge
i'd also consider the parasite-virus as allen
The problem I have with this logic is: humans would be considered aliens, too, as we did not originate on this planet, but the stars and the elements in the universe.
royal finch
I wonder how was it able to survive insise the meteor and how it came to be. I mean, it had to have a host?
eternal talon
we don't know
subtle verge
However, we've been here for so long, that we can be seen as natural beings to the planet.
eternal talon
probably a mix of canibalism and hybernation
analog frigate
I wonder how was it able to survive insise the meteor and how it came to be. I m...
we have a couple theories
royal finch
quiet raven
Maybe the interior environment of the meteor allowed for preservation
analog frigate
we have a couple theories
but they have a tad bit too many variables
subtle verge
My philosophy is more headcanon.
royal finch
I love melting my brain with theories
subtle verge
Extreme hibernation.
royal finch
I can see that ngl
eternal talon
well alot of the more basic stuff of this is just extensions of canon lore
unless you go with that guy yesterday's time travel nonsense
analog frigate
Extreme hibernation.
that's the most likely seeing how the exhibit lesser hibernation while staying in the facility
quiet raven
Quick question that's really out of subject, is the ambassador title reserved for Early Access users ?
quiet raven
Well so did I
eternal talon
but i can still get the title if i leave and reenter the sever
just msg gtfo bot your email
you signed up with
subtle verge
I'll be honest here: if anyone here hasn't read the timeline or the logs in the wiki, I'd highly recommend it. You'll get a basis of understanding of what we're talking about more often than not, and if you have any confusion, we can offer our insight and theories that have reasonable sense with real-world scenarios and explanations.
analog frigate
Quick question that's really out of subject, is the ambassador title reserved fo...
nope, check #become-an-ambassador
royal finch
It'd be cool if we started showing some symptomps of the sleepers after being out of the HSU for too long in one mission or overtime.
subtle verge
I'll be honest here: if anyone here hasn't read the timeline or the logs in the ...
You can find this in the pins, too.
analog frigate
I'll be honest here: if anyone here hasn't read the timeline or the logs in the ...
yeah, best to get the basis of every rundown for now and then decide the possibilities
subtle verge
It prevents outlandish claims and theories and seats it better for more realistic science fiction/discussion.
And that's coming from someone who did that on his first day(s).
@analog frigate will tell you. I had some stupid shit I said back then. Lmfao.
eternal talon
so quick summary:
sleepers are infected humies.
floaty bois and kraken are allens infected with parasite-virus
parasite-virus is sleepers together
parasite controls, virus makes the host parasite controls
virus kill earth, no parasites so just kills not turns into sleepers
allens that made artifacts and teleport tech infected by parasite-virus and sent rock to earth
humies crack rock and cause sleepers outbreak on earth
analog frigate
<@!544486890838032401> will tell you. I had some stupid shit I said back then. L...
heh i remember those times
analog frigate
so quick summary:
sleepers are infected humies.
floaty bois and kraken are alle...
that has some unconfirmed theories
eternal talon
but just abouts what's we've been talking about
subtle verge
Here you go
analog frigate
which we currently have no basis on
eternal talon
i wonder if we will ever get to go into the meteor in a future rundown
deep into the hive
analog frigate
it's possible to go 2k
eternal talon
see allen stuff
subtle verge
Who is allen
eternal talon
space allen
subtle verge
Never heard of him.
analog frigate
allen as in a wrench?
eternal talon
so sad. he's a pretty cool guy and doesn't affraid of anything.
analog frigate
Ngl I'd rather use a helicopter than build entire ass tracks for the train and t...
btw they just use a crane to lower it down
the same one we use
royal finch
Ah, good to know
analog frigate
except it appears the original one had a much higher capacity
or they just transported 4 at a time
royal finch
Understandable, by this time the complex is worn down so it'd make sense for this one to be slower and less efficient.
royal finch
LOL yeah
eternal talon
daraxus, do you think we will ever get to see the allens that mades the techs?
analog frigate
what techs?
eternal talon
artifacts and crystals and the whole teleportation of the meteor thing
dim scroll
daraxus, do you think we will ever get to see the allens that mades the techs?
Nier momento
Oops! All dead
analog frigate
i believe allen wrenches are a standard size and shape
analog frigate
Maybe the dawg person is part of these aliens
the what
eternal talon
no, i mean like sculptures, statues, their structures,
dim scroll
cyan veins dude
eternal talon
obviously they are long dead
dim scroll
the mimicry dude
analog frigate
the talking schaeffer one?
dim scroll
ye
analog frigate
ah aight
eternal talon
not an alien
eternal talon
is either vergil or a broken parasite
or i guess is trying to trick us,
but that would be kind of lame
analog frigate
trying to trick makes sense from an echological standpoint
a hive can't survive living only off of defence
eternal talon
really it's only defending because it can't get out
eternal talon
nam killed everybody?
analog frigate
still, doesn't make it certain that there would be bodies everywhere
eternal talon
if sleepers got out then parasite would be out so would be sleepers not dead
analog frigate
as i said, no option is certain in any way
it all boils down to if NAM-V causes sleepers
eternal talon
i thought we already had this conversation
it has the be the combination to make sleepers for anything to make sense
analog frigate
not necessarily
eternal talon
^
analog frigate
so?
eternal talon
we have one parasite
on virus
nam causes sleepers, but they are just dead, not controlled
we said this before
eternal talon
what are they
analog frigate
there is one parasite, there are two separate ones, there is one but it's only the one that carries NAM-V
and anything else we can figure out when the extension drops
eternal talon
and what are the implications if that is the case
analog frigate
lots
eternal talon
completely throws everything else out, donnit?
analog frigate
why so
eternal talon
because you said it had to be one parasite for the other to be true
agile plinth
Anyone know what this is exactly? Cocoon? a living organism? why is it here?
you have any other angles of it?
dim scroll
No idea about what it is but it's been there for a while
I think it started with R4C2 ?
Afterwards almost any place with that thing was full of chargers
royal finch
Yeah im p sure it was in r5 too
dim scroll
yeah
harsh saffron
R3C1 had it as well
worthy flower
i can remember it at least as far back as r2
worthy flower
chargers was r1c2. part of me thinks it had the ceiling biomass
solar nova
Not a single charger in R2.
subtle verge
My best guess, if I'm allowed some form of leniency here through sci-fi tropes, is that it's a specialized birthing pod that alters the DNA makeup to create a specialized Sleeper like the Chargers, Titans, etc.
Alternatively, it could be an outreach of a potential "core" for the colony. Like a landgrab, so to speak, to expand territory and fortification.
worthy flower
ive made the guess that its pure parasitic biomass
i wonder if the spikes on chargers are cretasium/ the black crystal stuff
teleporting shadow chargers when.
twilit girder
I do feel like their teleporting back bug could be actually them teleporting due to crystals 😂
dull geyser
possibly r1
R 1 D 1 or c 1pretty sure it’s in a markiplier video a little while back
finite vine
I think it was c1
dull geyser
Yeah that sounds right
worthy flower
chargers was r1c2. part of me thinks it had the ceiling biomass
.
royal finch
Alternatively, it could be an outreach of a potential "core" for the colony. Lik...
Interesting. Thanks for the reply! Kinda curious where it would "lead" if we were to follow it through the levels.
wispy torrent
whats with the desert
agile plinth
whats with the desert
it's planet red alpha
wispy torrent
eternal talon
because allens
wispy torrent
aliens 
eternal talon
allens.
placid beacon
whats allens lol
agile plinth
whats allens lol
iirc it's allen wrenches
placid beacon
oh lol
placid beacon
if i recall correctly @quick grove
knotty harness
the way Bishop acted on the alpha MWP expedition with the scientists being exasperated that he absolutely refused to deviate from the objective stack given to him by BIOCOM even when the mission was so fucked is kinda good indication here too
oh god damn that's from forever ago sorry
solar nova
It's pretty interesting to learn that the WRDN seems to value our individuality.
Allowing us to form some amount of memory and foregoing strict instructions in exchange for broader concepts (work together, get in and get out, etc.).
The WRDN seems to operate under the assumption that permitting KSOs to express personalities and autonomy is the optimal approach to navigating the complex and managing the threats within. Dr. Durrant's second log suggests, to some extent, that BIOCOM and how it interacted with KSOs may have been too narrow for the situation at hand, which may be something the WRDN is designed to rectify.
quick grove
if i recall correctly <@!720749845077295115>
Ah okay thank you thank you
quick grove
Allowing us to form some amount of memory and foregoing strict instructions in e...
I thought he erases our memories everytime we step into the HSU pods
solar nova
I thought he erases our memories everytime we step into the HSU pods
Some of them, but it seems like our characters know each other at least a little, and we maintain knowledge of the complex and what's in it.
quick grove
Ah so the warden doesn't erase everything
quick grove
The WRDN seems to operate under the assumption that permitting KSOs to express p...
Im confused i thought the warden inherited BIOCOM after it was uploaded without anyone noticing
Pls shed some light on this for me
solar nova
Im confused i thought the warden inherited BIOCOM after it was uploaded without ...
That wouldn't mean it does literally everything that BIOCOM does.
One clear difference being that the WRDN seems to treat prisoners/KSOs far differently than BIOCOM handled its KSOs.
An inheritance relation would just mean the WRDN is something like a modified BIOCOM, with all of BIOCOM's capabilities but with more specific things unique to itself.
quick grove
One clear difference being that the WRDN seems to treat prisoners/KSOs far diffe...
What you mean? Eloberate pls
solar nova
What you mean? Eloberate pls
Logs we have about KSOs suggest they are akin to robots, they just take orders and seem incapable of doing much else. The prisoners we play as seem to have their own personalities and the ability to take initiative, however.
quick grove
Ah because i also know the prisoners got logs for eachother describing there backgrounds
And they all know this
How was these logs even found
Did the wrdn give it to them or did they found there logs
solar nova
How was these logs even found
On a terminal.
solar nova
Ah because i also know the prisoners got logs for eachother describing there bac...
Not really what I mean. Their past selves aren't super relevant for how they express themselves in the present in the game.
harsh saffron
Where can i find the character logs
the main 8 ones are in R5A2 and A3
https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/Rundown_005_Logs#A2
each character has 2 audio logs and then 1 more text log throught the rundown
quick grove
the main 8 ones are in R5A2 and A3
https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/Rundown_005_Logs...
Thx mate
quick grove
Wow
analog frigate
Its on the ceiling so i cant do much
i believe it's a charger nest
quick grove
I feel like dauda and the ah i don't remember i his name hes english man but those two had the worst fate
Daude put himself in hydrostastis
wild plank
I feel like dauda and the ah i don't remember i his name hes english man but tho...
Bishop?
royal finch
i believe it's a charger nest
screams of horror
wild plank
*screams of horror*
fervent pivot
analog frigate
what?
celest pagoda
Wanted to mention; Dr.Stokes mentioned that there when the two employees touched artifact 7 disappeared, there were two witnesses to the event: C067 and C085. Kovac was stated as "dealing with them".
C085 is no one I was able to match, but C067 is Schaeffer.
Maybe this may be how he ended up in legion
ALSO, pretty sure Schaeffer's friend, Artus Charpon D017, is dead.
A log from d4 shows an audio transcript of what appears to be someone trapped behind a door getting killed by something. That person is identified as D017.
analog frigate
good observation
analog frigate
Maybe this may be how he ended up in legion
makes sense for that to be the case
celest pagoda
good observation
Thx man.
Also, I checked everywhere for a C085, but couldn't find em. Anyone got any match?
analog frigate
i assumed that he could've gotten training after he got out of his HSU
that rises questions about dauda
analog frigate
Also, I checked everywhere for a C085, but couldn't find em. Anyone got any matc...
no one like that has been identified yet
celest pagoda
no one like that has been identified yet
A
royal finch
ALSO, pretty sure Schaeffer's friend, Artus Charpon D017, is dead.
A log from d...
Got a link for me?
celest pagoda
Got a link for me?<:Hackett_Heart:784808449627783222>
WRU-TYR, you can find it on the R6 wiki page
royal finch
Thanks :D
celest pagoda
ye
royal finch
Damn theres no audio file but i read it
analog frigate
it's a transcript only
vagrant fiber
Could Artus be that creature? From the logs.
analog frigate
we have never heard him so we wouldn't know
also there aren't many known connections between him and it
royal finch
It could be a reason as to why the creature didn't attack Schaeffer, assuming the creature is D017, but why him? Why would he turn out of hundreds of dead in the complex? I imagine the creatures need a specific environment to be "born" i guess.
vagrant fiber
What the creature said is there any other person who says that. In audio logs.
dim scroll
Don't think so
What's possible is for it to have witnessed prisoners saying such things
subtle verge
I don't think the creature would be D017. Schaffer notes that it's nigh perfect and almost human. I feel like he would have more likely than not recognized Artus' new form.
dim scroll
😔
granite anchor
Can someone provide me with high-res screenshots of the companies in GTFO? I have the SMC one from the website. Trying to make some digital art.
royal finch
ever wondered why do sleepers sleep in the weirdest positions
or why giant strikers look like they're facepalming
like what kind of sleeping position is that
small bobcat
Ya most normal sleepers look like theyre in some form of fetal esque position
I think the black goo is just the game getting rid of dead bodies but thats my personal opinion
small bobcat
otherwise we would have a literal mountain of sleepers at each alarm door
Ew
I dunno man, but those dead bodies do have a striker esque head split
royal finch
I wonder why they died but still seemed to be in advanced infection
could be shot by others ig
still interesting
small bobcat
Ya man, would love to know whats up with all the dead guys
Some of em are just clothes in a puddle of blood
wild plank
That's what the gasmasks are for
wild plank
what about when they die and they turn into some black goo and disappear? 👀
Rapid liquefactive decomposition followed by evaporation as a result of mass cell death, perhaps.
eternal talon
I wonder why they died but still seemed to be in advanced infection
the virus kills them. without the parasite to control the host, they would simply just die. look at the outside world in the gtfo universe. this one likely just died before a parasite could get to it.
royal finch
Interesting 🤔
wispy torrent
tall anchor
Probably some form of programmed liquefaction due to lack of control, yeah
Especially considering their crit spot is the cerebellum which controls movement
tall anchor
what about when they die and they turn into some black goo and disappear? 👀
what I said above and crit spots being tumors, there's clearly some kind of hivemind control over the body
I would guess that the infection generally spread throughout the body and 'ate' the subjects cells, replacing it with their own biomass. Upon greater replacement of the subjects cells, the virus took more and more control over the bodies. (considering their resillience to bullets, lack of body armour, and ability to still move and attack with large parts of the body missing, the subjects tissues must have been replaced.
By having a programmed 'death' state, all the individual cells would then begin to shed and break down whatever forms their skeleton, which on completion, all the cells would release hold of each other, and the cells could then spread into any kind of material, allowing for easy dispersion and transmitting the desease to other humans.
This, and the easiest explanation of reactors being biomass/biofuel reactors, allows explanation for that yucky shit on the ceiling (Above is a biomass storage container), and for the extremely fast global spread.
That would then by extension explain the why there are so many plants - not for oxygen, but for energy - AND it would explain why they're studying these plants in large numbers. Because of the lab environment actively having these plants strewn all about, that leads to the question of "Why aren't their NAM-V plants? Why only NAM-V humans?" which means that there's got to be something in the differences between plant cells and animal cells that would have meant the difference between becoming the sleepers and not becoming a sleeper.
finite vine
That would then by extension explain the why there are so many plants - not for ...
have we seen any animals affected by NAM-V yet?
tall anchor
have we seen any animals affected by NAM-V yet?
We've seen NAM-V do this to other species as illustrated by the floaters, but that's really it for species. It has created differentiation within species (think shooters being female, and strikers being male)
finite vine
We've seen NAM-V do this to other species as illustrated by the floaters, but th...
we still don't really know if the floaters and NAM-V are related
they probably are though
tall anchor
we still don't really know if the floaters and NAM-V are related
I personally assume they are related due to similar appearance
Also, y'know, NAM-V outbreak + finding Red Alpha are around the same time, so I guess so
finite vine
I would guess that the infection generally spread throughout the body and 'ate' ...
I would agree that NAM-V most likely creates sleepers, because of the tumorous appearance. The tumors are probably created by the somatic mutation symptom of NAM-V.
finite vine
Also, y'know, NAM-V outbreak + finding Red Alpha are around the same time, so I ...
true, but we did know about NAM-V before r6
tall anchor
In game timeline I think they're close?
tall anchor
true, but we did know about NAM-V before r6
NAM-V Outbreak & location of the artifact were both in 2052
finite vine
NAM-V Outbreak & location of the artifact were both in 2052
I thought you meant finding red alpha as in when the first humans traveled there.
when did the first jump take place?
it does make sense for NAM-V to be lingering inside the "egg" and "the inner"
tall anchor
Okay so I did some log research real quic
tall anchor
when did the first jump take place?
Analysis of a part of the spikey rock seem to return to Mr Hammerstein in march/april 2052, and we know of NAM-V being a problem by the end of 2052
finite vine
yea NAM-V probably came from those chambers within the egg
tall anchor
probably some residual material or smth
finite vine
I think sleepers were already in the egg even before santonian miners breached it
tall anchor
Honestly, I don't know
My theory is that the sleepers are humanoid because of them taking over the humans, which would make sense if floaters are also infected with NAM-V
Their physical appearance is pretty darn close to modern humans
I personally don't think they existed in the egg
finite vine
Hammerstein completed a deep scan of the egg on April 7th, 2052, and we can assume they kept digging toward it. Then on October 7th, 2053, the lockdown report was released, so they probably knew something was gonna happen, then on October 11th, 2053, the energy explosions happened and biotracker events detected a ton of unknown biomass on the sublevels.
Then there is an undated log that said that they need more KDS support down as they head to "the core" because they are experiencing creatures on every outing.
tall anchor
Actually no. Confirmed to not be because of that
finite vine
Actually no. Confirmed to not be because of that
how so?
finite vine
My theory is that the sleepers are humanoid because of them taking over the huma...
I agree with this, but I'm saying that humans might of already been inside of the egg infected.
tall anchor
how so?
It depends more on if sleepers are made by NAM-V or not
Because we know that NAM-V didn't come from inside the egg - https://www.notion.so/Timeline-0e93a62e8cfd44b3a36beb4ab245a2d0?p=eae8a9d6211f48008290708ff824e1c9
(April is when they scanned the egg)
finite vine
when was the first mention of NAM-V?
tall anchor
So we know that there's NAM-V spreading throughout the workers as early as april, and they mimic symptoms of advanced NAM-V
tall anchor
when was the first mention of NAM-V?
Publicly stated, I belive NAM-V was coined somewhat before Dec 14 2052
finite vine
Publicly stated, I belive NAM-V was coined somewhat before Dec 14 2052
The first mention of NAM-V was 8 months after the deep scan of the egg. NAM-V could of still came from the egg
eternal talon
kinda sad to not see any ancient allen structures n' stuff, but given it's been 6 million years, it makes sense
plant has leaves, meaning it's alive, so likely some kind of native bramble
finite vine
kinda sad to not see any ancient allen structures n' stuff, but given it's been ...
wdym 6 million years
eternal talon
likely the crystal allens used to make their teleportation tech
tall anchor
The first mention of NAM-V was 8 months after the deep scan of the egg. NAM-V co...
Upward trend of psychosis begins in april, when they scanned the egg
finite vine
Upward trend of psychosis begins in april, when they scanned the egg
true. missed that.
eternal talon
wdym 6 million years
that's when the meteor containing the parasite-virus hit earth.
finite vine
I dont think suicide was a symptom of NAM-V though
eternal talon
leading theory was escape attempt from the allens that made teleport tech
least that explains some of the oddities like floaters still being awake and what not, unlike the sleepers that hybernated in the meteor
floaties are infected fauna, not the really advanced allen species.
same with kraken
finite vine
I dont think suicide was a symptom of NAM-V though
its also odd because if they started seeing health trends in april why did they not have any deaths in december when the report was made, about 8 months later?
tall anchor
Probably a mutation?
finite vine
yea thats possible
tall anchor
I dont think suicide was a symptom of NAM-V though
going nuts was a symptom, idk about the rest
eternal talon
also, i miss the old machinegun SO MUCH
tall anchor
that's when the meteor containing the parasite-virus hit earth.
66 million years ago*
finite vine
Probably a mutation?
or remnants of the virus were near the rim of the egg, and when they got closer they unleashed the true form of NAM-V
tall anchor
Oooh, that also makes sense
Interior of the egg would hold a more preserved version
The amount of sleepers we’ve fought are in the thousands though, which makes me wonder how they are making more
finite vine
yea thats what im thinking, they were experiencing a weaker version, then once they actually cracked it open they got the full healthy version of NAM-V
finite vine
The amount of sleepers we’ve fought are in the thousands though, which makes me ...
yea, there has to be some form of reproduction
possibly cocoons?
or mother?
tall anchor
good point
eternal talon
given the floaters are still awake on red alpha,
tall anchor
Still, why the humanoid shape? why not the floating eyeball
eternal talon
some form of calibalism must be involved.
tall anchor
There’s gotta be some reason why they copy humans
eternal talon
@tall anchor floaties are infected lifeforms on red alpha.
tall anchor
some form of calibalism must be involved.
Probably heat or light energy
tall anchor
<@!551442460132507672> floaties are infected lifeforms on red alpha.
😩 i made that connection / proof like an hour ago
finite vine
sleepers also resemble humans, so if NAM-V turns humans into sleepers, and if sleepers were already in the egg before they cracked it open, then that means that humans had to of been inside the egg previous to it being open, which is unlikely. we are probably missing something.
tall anchor
NAM-V uses human DNA to make sleepers?
eternal talon
it's using human genetic material, yeah.
the parasite that operates the host literally lives off of mutation
finite vine
the current theory is that when a parasite carrying NAM-V infects a human and lives inside of it, the human turns into a sleeper.
eternal talon
virus turns human into a host the parasite can control. it's symbiotic.
that's why the earth is lost of nearly all human life, and not having billions of sleepers on the surface, just corpses.
finite vine
oh shit, the lifeforms that were observed by the biotrackers on October 11th, 2053 were probably parasites instead of sleepers
eternal talon
virus just kills/dies out without the parasite to keep it going.
finite vine
that's why the earth is lost of nearly all human life, and not having billions o...
yea
eternal talon
we talked about this alot in this channel the past couple days.
finite vine
yea its interesting stuff
eternal talon
i just really hope at some point we can see more of the alien stuff than just the crystal tech in the matter wave projector and the artifacts.
i mean stuff like ruins, statues, esc.
finite vine
yea that would be dope
im looking forward to seeing the inside of the egg
and that place called the inner
eternal talon
who knows what the inside of the meteor looks like. given it's literally a chunk of red alpha.
finite vine
and that place called the inner
that's where all of the artifacts were found by Hammerstein
finite vine
who knows what the inside of the meteor looks like. given it's literally a chunk...
some of it is probably a nest of sorts
eternal talon
the reason 'why' they sent the meteor through is still a mystery, but given the virus, it was likely a last ditch effort for their species to survive. so it could quite possibly be a failed "ark"
royal finch
Ngl i'd love to come out and see how earth changed, and then take a walk inbetween the ruined, overgrown city with possible enemies inside the buildings or stuff.
finite vine
Ngl i'd love to come out and see how earth changed, and then take a walk inbetwe...
that would be dope too
eternal talon
just look at stuff like the Metro 2033 series. i'd like to believe it's just a mutated infested mess given the virus' work.
finite vine
or something like alien
royal finch
Watched a gameplay, i meant.
eternal talon
not really alien, once the virus killed everything it just died out.
so it's mostly just abandoned and lifeless avoid from critters and wild animals which for some reason, the virus didn't infect.
finite vine
not really alien, once the virus killed everything it just died out.
my bad, I meant the inside of the egg
eternal talon
despite the fact it very clearly can swap between species very very easily
though maybe it needs the parasite to do that, i dunno.
give only half of the thing made it out.
royal finch
Tbh i dont understand viruses.
- be a virus
- infect
- die from antibiotics, or in GTFO's case, wipe out humanity and then die.
finite vine
antibiotics actually only kill bacteria
eternal talon
look how the black death ended for example wing, it ate itself out of hosts.
ran out of food and starved to death
eternal talon
the parasite keeps hosts harboring the virus alive and thus letting it spread far faster and easier.
royal finch
antibiotics actually only kill bacteria
LOL whoops-
finite vine
LOL whoops-
vaccines are like the equivalent for viruses.
actually nvm i could be wrong
eternal talon
it doesn't intentionally wipe itself out
finite vine
its been awhile
royal finch
No, i meant WHATS the point of viruses if they just... infect and die, meaningless actions...
Maybe thinking at 4 am isnt good for me LOL
eternal talon
it's symbiotic and reliant on the parasite to keep hosts harboring it alive and spreading, so it's probably way more lethal than it ever could be by itself alone
so of course it'd eat through it's own supply too fast to sustain.
that's why it's symbiotic
eternal talon
No, i meant WHATS the point of viruses if they just... infect and die, meaningle...
it's a virus. you are putting too much thought into it.
royal finch
What can i say, i like overthinking.
eternal talon
that's like asking a chicken why it has eggs if it knows it lives in a slaughterhouse.
finite vine
viruses don't have a brain so they just follow impulses I guess
quick grove
Wats going on
eternal talon
all the virus has to do is spread, weaken and kill, and provide hosts for the parasite.
all the parasite has to do is keep the virus going.
royal finch
Ngl i was thinking more about irl viruses, non symbiotic ones LOL
eternal talon
the parasite being hyperlethal by itself with it's mutations, is just a deadly side-effect.
think the difference between combat and carrier flood forms in halo.
quick grove
Wat we talking about im confused
eternal talon
the parasite basically does a mix of the two.
quick grove
Its a virus and a parasite
eternal talon
yes.
quick grove
People get infected by virus and then a parasite grows inside them i think
quick grove
I thought they were the same thing
finite vine
People get infected by virus and then a parasite grows inside them i think
I think the parasite carrying NAM-V crawls into/ enters the human, and then the human turns into a sleeper
eternal talon
it's two different species in a symbiotic relationship. the virus, AND the parasite.
quick grove
Ah makes better sense
eternal talon
the virus makes hosts, the parasite controls them.
royal finch
I know they arent in a hivemind... but imagine the chaos if they were. They could learn and adapt and become even more dangerous 👀
eternal talon
well technically either it would be two different hive minds or only half of it could be a hive mind
again, seperate species.
royal finch
Funky
eternal talon
this isn't the overmind with the zerg.
eternal talon
i didn't say it wasn't.
quick grove
Fuck they are smart they only take the route that's the least blockades for them
royal finch
HAHAHA
eternal talon
it's a very in-depth lore this game has.
scenic yacht
so do yall think humans infected with NAM-V will just die? Since there is no parasite to turn them to sleepers? Or do you think everyone with NAM-V will develop a parasite after infection?
eternal talon
yes they do.
scenic yacht
do what?
eternal talon
nam-v got out to the entire earth.
royal finch
it's a very in-depth lore this game has.
I read almost everything here, but i dont speak as much as i just give funky ideas.
eternal talon
ALMOST every human on earth is dead.
scenic yacht
that doesnt answer my question tho
eternal talon
not sleepers.
eternal talon
so it does require both to make a sleeper.
scenic yacht
but nam-v isnt confirmed nor denied to make sleepers
quick grove
nam-v got out to the entire earth.
Its like covid just worse
finite vine
so it does require both to make a sleeper.
we still dont know if NAM-V makes sleepers though. its still a theory
scenic yacht
yea
finite vine
but a likely one
eternal talon
technically not, we don't know if the parasite could control a host by itself, no.
but it can be assumed at the very least it very significantly helps the parasite.
be it with mutation, damage control, or protecting the hive.
quick grove
Mmm just a quick wonder