We all know the world isn't in total darkness
#gtfo-lore
dim scroll
I didn't check the report about sleepers' ecology but they may be active during day
quick grove
How the fuck they know when its day or not
quick grove
Its pitch black in the complex
quick grove
internal clock
dim scroll
😳
quick grove
Its pitch black in the complex
Well not completely there is some lights on
Its interesting
@dim scroll
dim scroll
There's also the question of the creature schaeffer met
quick grove
Creature
dim scroll
the "dog or cat person" creature
Something with paper-like skin, covered in ashes, with cyan veins & speaking
There's a log where you can hear it talking
dim scroll
The thing is that creature was at first attacked by sleepers
this one
R6C2
Then after a while, the sleepers stopped attacking it
quick grove
Wait wait theres a log
dim scroll
now it moves through them & they don't react
yes
2 of them actually
the first one describes the creature
quick grove
Audio?
placid beacon
terminals have audio logs attached to it
SOME
if you notice which ones have it
usually, iirc, it has an 'audio buffer' thing
quick grove
Aight give me a second
dim scroll
https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/Rundown_6.0#Logs
SC3-3BF-03 for the first audio
SC3-1BG-98 for the 2nd audio
quick grove
Where can i listen to these
dim scroll
in the link i've sent right above
click, ctrl + F, type the audio log file name
you'll get access to the audio
dim scroll
subtle verge
Hey, sorry for the late reply!
For all that we know and can understand, we theorize that 99.98% of humanity is essentially gone; NAM-V has left roughly 25-30k people remaining on the surface.
dim scroll
guess it was calculated using its R factor, the time between the first NAM-V victim outside & the current time ?
Or do they mention that 99.98% somewhere ?
dim scroll
Yeah
quick grove
I call it a sentient being
dim scroll
it's more like mimicking
dim scroll
because it probably thought that's the answer it should give based on the question
quick grove
And why the fuck is it in the complex
quick grove
Bruh
So we have this "THING" just roaming the complex
Does the warden know about it
dim scroll
no idea
if warden monitors the prisoners, then probably
since we've heard of the log
Yet schaeffer did make logs telling prisoners they should unite together
quick grove
There would be cameras all over the facility
dim scroll
and i don't think he would've made that if he knew warden would monitor
placid beacon
i would be so fucking excited
to fight sleepers which mimic human voices
that would be so fucking awesome
royal finch
SAME
quick grove
skin like paper with blue vains
placid beacon
that, that, would be terrifying
quick grove
And with a ashy
quick grove
Id down fight shit my self if i hear boo behind me
quick grove
It seems very much interested in animal's specifically dogs and cats
We all know the Squid looking things aren't related to NAM-V right
dim scroll
Id down fight shit my self if i hear boo behind me
Everyone would shit itself simply hearing the creature talking lol
dim scroll
Having a weird creature in front of you is one thing
dim scroll
having a weird creature in front of you that uses your language is another thing
quick grove
And this fucker just pops around the corner hello friend are you a dog or cat person
placid beacon
id probably accidently shoot myself if that happens
placid beacon
ye
quick grove
So who knows what the devs will do with this thing
I wonder if the people who worked in the complex knew about it
Surely something like this wouldn't go under there radar
dim scroll
No one you monkey
placid beacon
<@&408548765599793173> I SUMMON THEE
quick grove
@tidal harbor go away
heady mortar
Ty
quick grove
They strike them down
Any back to where we was
Im now more interested in this creature
dim scroll
I wonder if the people who worked in the complex knew about it
no
There are mentions of a body pile burning
i forgot the log though
but it mentions something coming out of the pile
quick grove
It the first one
dim scroll
Yeah but there is another one
quick grove
That the speaks of the thing
dim scroll
explicitly mentioning a body pile
quick grove
Another one
dim scroll
schaeffer just says ashes from a fire
quick grove
So this THING came out of those piles
placid beacon
god if some monster ass shit comes out of a pile of bodies speaking to me id shit my fucking pants
quick grove
Damn
So we got number one sleepers number two hentai looking monsters and second got some thing with blue vains walking around who don't give a fuck about the sleepers
Mans got no fear no nothing
Just walks
I wonder the motivation
quick grove
Ah yes our 4 characters siding with who knows what the fuck the creature is to kill the warden
quick grove
I was talking about the creatures intentions
dim scroll
It didn't attack the sleepers or schaeffer
quick grove
Welp it has a reason
dim scroll
Maybe not
quick grove
Damn
dim scroll
it's basically copying what it heard
quick grove
Mans just passive
dim scroll
or what it saws in what serves as its memories
quick grove
Copying what it heard?
quick grove
How
dim scroll
Or as i said before, it could've taken this out from memories
placid beacon
hey
quick grove
Memories
dim scroll
No other explanations tbh
quick grove
So it mimics people
quick grove
But can't look like one
quick grove
royal finch
Hey hey hey, one little detail
quick grove
?
royal finch
why does it sound almost robotic?
dim scroll
no idea
quick grove
Yes good questions
quick grove
But it has vains so it has blood
dim scroll
blue is the color of the acid spitters use as well
quick grove
Id assume anything that is burnt has a fucked voice
dim scroll
idk any fluid in a human body that turns blue actually
quick grove
blue is the color of the acid spitters use as well
Thats green man
quick grove
Yes but this ones got blue not cyan
dim scroll
true
royal finch
now im excited for extended or rundown 7
if we'll meet this creature-
i can already see my friend freaking out 😂
Do you think it'll be like, active like scout? is it hostile?
quick grove
Oky
Okay
Theres this log
About the person getting chased by a creature
Its just a scroll down after the logs
Wait this thing is different
Wait wait
When we get teleported do we get sent to other places on earth or nah @dim scroll
quick grove
So when you get teleported fuck knows where ya went
placid beacon
plausible theories include dimension hopping
quick grove
True could that thing possibly came from a dimension
oblique venture
some people say its a different planet
thats what im gathering from it too
tho if i were to say more about that itd be spoilers
royal finch
I would say so
the building, the base in it also looks like something we build on the moon
so its kinda got the "other planet" vibes
dim scroll
What's weird about that planet is that how it has a star, vegetation & water as well
It's basically what would mars start to look like if its atmosphere was a biiiit more friendly towards us
quick grove
Doesn't every planet have a star
dim scroll
its star is strangely close to our Sun's star
yeah
forgot to mention the size of the star
quick grove
Oh yeah
dim scroll
Seems to have a moon as well
quick grove
Yep
What happened to the people on that planet
Could it be that the mimic creature is from a different dimension also
dim scroll
No idea
That whole dimension thing didn't exist before R6
There are way too many things we don't know
subtle verge
Or do they mention that 99.98% somewhere ?
It isn't exclusively stated anywhere, however we ran multiple calculations & simulations with many different variables. The best outcome we got was 95% of humanity is deceased within the first 2 weeks.
dim scroll
Epic
subtle verge
Note: that was running current Covid-19 public reaction.
dim scroll
100% ig
dim scroll
an R factor of 17 is just crazy stupid
subtle verge
What’s the worst lmao
If animals were able to contract NAM-V (we excluded this in our data), it dropped to 98.9% within the first 4 days.
quick grove
If 99.9 of humanity is dead then is only the prisoners alive
dim scroll
Omicron has an R factor between 3 & 5
ember cave
25k
dim scroll
an R factor of 17 would make NAM-V spread so fast
Hold up was the nam-V outbreak recent ?
ember cave
Science talk
dim scroll
Or is it 20 y ?
subtle verge
If 99.9 of humanity is dead then is only the prisoners alive
Any remaining KSOs in stasis, and any civilization of people in incredibly remote locations, such as the island tribe of the Andamans.
ember cave
No clue how long we been in hsu
dim scroll
oh ok
ember cave
Fucking Wakanda
ember cave
What if we are clones tho
subtle verge
We speculate that the fall of mankind was within the past 10 years with what logs we have -- so that would put us, the players, around the year 2065-2070.
However, we will say that we think it's not been more than 30 years.
The latest log that we have is around early-to-mid 2057.
ember cave
These guys have a great life
I almost feel bad for giving them more stress like overloads and pe lol
subtle verge
As far as the mimic creature that the conversation was just about: we speculate that it uses mimicry as a means of hunting or self-defense; creatures such as parrots or lyrebirds are a great example of this.
quick grove
@dim scroll got a new name for the creature that talks i call it the "mimic"
ember cave
Some dead space shit. It’s our dead psycho girlfriends
quick grove
I almost feel bad for giving them more stress like overloads and pe lol
I would like to see a 4 difficulty to the bulkhead doors
subtle verge
Also: we don't speculate that 'Red Alpha' is a different dimension, but a place far off in our own galaxy or in another galaxy, however we are open to the idea of alternate dimensions.
quick grove
PE doesn't count as a difficulty
ember cave
Well doing all objectives can be said to make over all level more difficult. But I’d be down for more content hell yeah lol
quick grove
Id say they should call the 4 difficulty "INHUMANE"
ember cave
I don’t think secondaries or any optionals relate to lore prob just player in mind thing
subtle verge
Where there is use of quantum entanglement and the quantum tether, a lot of us theorize that it's just bending time and space to 'jump' to Red Alpha. The quantum tether, by definition, is a theory where two neutrons are tethered together and simultaneously react to a force or change at the same time, even if only one of them is affected, no matter the distance between the two points..
quick grove
Eh i would just like more difficulty because of checkpoints
quick grove
Where there is use of quantum entanglement and the quantum tether, a lot of us t...
My brain don't function after this one
ember cave
I don’t want to even imagine how to pick a time in space and a space with colliding atoms lol
subtle verge
My brain don't function after this one
Imagine you have an imaginary line from your right ear to your left. I touch your left ear, and only your left ear, but you also feel the same amount of pressure from the touch on your right ear.
quick grove
ember cave
But to pick a time and place to jump too whew
Some next level stuff
Be able to pick I should say
quick grove
Eh
subtle verge
Here's a very quick, basic & layman's terms, graph of how we think the jump works:
royal finch
Im too stupid to understand how it works, so ill just say "sci fi stuff"
subtle verge
Quantum tether (dotted line) connects point A to point B, syncs time, and allows for direct communication and data transfer. Through the use of quantum entanglement, we bend time and space (solid line) to get to our destination faster.
royal finch
Oh!
That made me understand it a bit better
i mean i do, but how the quantum can work like that idk
subtle verge
Very sci-fi heavy.
royal finch
😂 its making my head hurt
subtle verge
Quantum tethering itself is a very science fiction term; there isn't really any real research into the topic.
Like in Spaceballs (the movie) the spaceship goes from Ludicrous speed to Plaid.
quick grove
Mmm last time i checked quantum tethering isnt related to the blue vain thing
subtle verge
We don't know much about the mimic creature; we speculate that it's a new sub-species of Sleeper; one that was detected by the rest of the colony as a threat because it wasn't like them, so they tore it apart. However, in a very 'The Thing' like fashion, it grafted other body parts to itself to make it whole again.
Developed it's mimicry as a hunting technique or defense mechanism, and it exists as that for now.
We speculate it was part of the burned bodies referenced by Schaeffer.
Which, we also see referenced in an email from Andrews to Gustavo.
quick grove
Ah okay
Is there a possibility we as the four characters will meet it
Because when schaeffer was talking to it it didn't seem hostile
subtle verge
Only time will tell. 🙂
quick grove
If it was hostile it would've killed him then and there with no hesitation
Its got blue vains skin like paper and a ashy burned skin as well
subtle verge
Maybe, or maybe Schaeffer was able to kill it like he said he would.
royal finch
The blue vain thing
Apparently, it "appears from the shadows" like manifests, going from the logs
quick grove
You mean the one i posted
royal finch
Welp- other than its appearance and mimic abilities, i dont think we have anything
quick grove
It doesn't have a bend neck schaeffer would have said this in the recordings
royal finch
2 new enemies purrhaps?
quick grove
I wouldn't say enemies
quick grove
Well the one chasing is enemy
But the mimic thing no way
It just roams
If it could teleport wouldn't it have already said hi to the prisoners?
royal finch
It'd make no sense if it just roamed, especially if its mimicking human voices, someone said it can be a lure type of hunting where the predator lures the prey in, like one of those scps
royal finch
I dont know, it went silent afterwards and the recording cut
maybe it needs certain conditions to attack?
subtle verge
<@156901751838998528> no way that he killed it
He said in the previous log: "If I see it again, I'm going to kill it." Queue next interaction, he sees it again, talks to it, and then it cuts. We don't know if he did or didn't, it's speculation that he either has killed it or escaped.
subtle verge
We don't know, we're waiting for extension to see what happens next.
quick grove
If the monsters couldn't kill it what makes you think schaeffer could
subtle verge
Again, we don't know. We have no idea what it's capable of other than what we've heard through second-hand description and it's voice.
quick grove
Oky so it looks human right right cool cool it probably new about schaeffer already it wouldve attacked and killed him
But when the sleepers tried to kill it they couldn't they just left it alone
And it walks past them
So the mimic is non hostile
subtle verge
Again, we don't know if the sleepers tried to kill it. We don't have that information, it's only speculation at best.
subtle verge
9 times out of 10, unless we have concrete yes/no evidence, we're in here theorizing and speculating.
quick grove
But they left it alone
I believe its non hostile due to it not attacking its attackers
And it not kill schaeffer on the spot
Imagine roaming the complex alone
Such a loner
We always ask who is the mimic but never how is the mimic
royal finch
I love speculating 😂
quick grove
Poor thing
subtle verge
At first, when the creatures heard it, they tore it apart. As they ripped into it, it kept talking; trying to speak. It had no fear. Now the creatures don’t see it anymore, it walks through them like a ghost. If it has no fear it can’t be one of us. Next time I see it, I’m going to kill it.
It's possible that this line: "the creatures don’t see it anymore, it walks through them like a ghost" points to an evolutionary trait that allows it to secrete a pheromone that "pacifies" the other sleepers around it so that it can travel through packs.
Which could make it seem like it 'travels through them like a ghost' in a non-literal sense.
quick grove
Ah
But if it could pacifies them why didn't it kill the sleepers?
It didn't pacifies schaeffer tho
subtle verge
Humans aren't affected by certain pheromones like other animals would be.
And most animals don't interact with each other's pheromones. Edit: to an extent.
quick grove
Props to him screaming hey 3 times loud and somehow didn't wake up any sleepers
quick grove
Humans aren't affected by certain pheromones like other animals would be.
Fair enough but sleepers aren't animals
Idk
subtle verge
I wasn't claiming they were, I was giving an example.
subtle verge
It's probable.
quick grove
Walking through hords of monsters
To get to a door
Would it even look like sleepers sense it's a sub species
Well schaeffer questions it if its human
So maybe it looks human like
In the recording its voice was a bit soft but then became louder so it probably got closer to schaeffer
subtle verge
I… I saw it once: White, blue veins under paper skin, so clean. Almost human; almost. It was covered in dust or maybe a powder or ashes. From a… from a fire… Yes… a fire.
royal finch
definitely not a human, but seems like its not acting on instincts like normal sleepers
subtle verge
Well, we know that a good chunk of sleepers are (evolved/devolved) humans.
quick grove
True
But hey
I wanna know how it looks like but until then my imagination only imagines
subtle verge
And we've witnessed how quickly mutations occur in the Sleepers species as a whole: mothers, giants, chargers, flyers, etc.
subtle verge
Absolutely there is way they're related. They don't attack the sleepers/Titans, nor do they attack the Kraken.
Where do you think the Sleepers came from?
They came from the Chicxulub meteor -- a meteor that was never supposed to hit Earth, but somehow did through the crystals.
The same crystals we see on the backs of the flyers.
quick grove
Fair enough
On the backs of the flyers
Haven't seen Crystal
To busy killing them
subtle verge
Now, a rather interesting thing to think about: are the flyers / Kraken born the way they are? Or are they other species of lifeform infected by the parasites/NAM-V?
quick grove
Who knows
subtle verge
Precisely.
quick grove
I wonder if we as characters would turn against the warden
Bit that would just spell and ending to the game
royal finch
Well, one thing, Kraken is big, like, ENORMOUS. It's like a spaceship more than a living organism
quick grove
True
royal finch
(i mean, looks like one-)
so im wondering what kind of planet houses stuff that big
or what kind of mutation had to happen to create something like that
royal finch
Funky thing - first we had a tank, then the big mother, now kraken-
they keep gettin bigger
subtle verge
I hope they havent scrapped the tentacle monster from the first gameplay trailer. I would love to crack down on how that thing would work.
subtle verge
The one that shot a tentacle around the corner and grabbed the last prisoner at the end.
quick grove
The mimic pls
royal finch
😂 Sure, I can draw it ig, at least my interpretation
but i can really imagine it as a hunched, tall humanoid white creature.
not anything fancy
royal finch
Imma add spikes.
I'll try to remember to ping you when im done 😂
imma draw it tomorrow.
quick grove
No no spikes
royal finch
i kinda thought of like, small-ish not so sharp spikes
on his back maybe
as a spine deformation idk
or some burn marks
quick grove
Is paper thin skin so you could see bones
royal finch
Yeah, i think some form of hung skin (?) with burn marks/holes and stuff
i dont know 😂
quick grove
Yes
analog frigate
imma draw it tomorrow.
i can give you a pretty good idea on what to draw
multiple bodies put into one, pale white with cyan/light green veins, covered in ash
has a mouth since it's more humanoid (at least that's hat i think from the description)
quick grove
Oh damn this sounds good
quick grove
I wouldn't say multiple legs
I want something to look normal for once like the players
Those are the only normal looking people
analog frigate
i said it's possible taking into account how it's multiple bodies fused into one
quick grove
It could've just used the flesh to fix it self no?
analog frigate
it's non damaged form is multiple bodies fused into one
actually
hmm
we don't know if there is only one
there probably would be
due to how unique it is
also hi duck
quick grove
Man if this mimic creature ever becomes a thing in GTFO id love to see the developers visualize it
analog frigate
well there are currently 2 unknown creatures that were mentioned
quick grove
Because they have done a great job with the enemies
analog frigate
the talking schaeffer one and the unknown shadow type
harsh saffron
Btw I assumed that the worker describing the thing doesn't mean literally multiple bodies moulded together, but rather just an exaggeration for the vastly different physique of the upper and lower body. But I would like the multiple bodies thing too ^^
analog frigate
yeah that makes sense
quick grove
the talking schaeffer one and the unknown shadow type
Oh the one that teleports
Its in one of the logs
analog frigate
yeah
quick grove
One of the people working at the facility
Id shit my pants if i saw something just come out of no where
analog frigate
it works like a shadow except you see it's shape, not shadow
harsh saffron
I just want to hear that thing talk to us in complete darkness and we can't locate it
analog frigate
ooh that would be quality
harsh saffron
Since they could do that with their new automatic triggered voice lines
quick grove
Great something that teleports and thats a shadow but has a shape instead of shadow
analog frigate
😳 what if we hear schaeffer lines?
quick grove
Oh my god if they ever implement cut scenes they should definitely do a thing where if the player opens the door it goes into a cut scene and the door opens but it's pitch black the the mimic creature comes out
And just starts talking to the player
Id like that i think thats pretty cool
But the mimic should be passive not aggressive
analog frigate
if it killed schaeffer and took his memories, we would have it be a maniac
and know a lot
"schaeffer thought i wasn't human, but i am closer to them than you"
makes sense with punk's theory
quick grove
I don't think "IT" will because it did nothing to the sleepers attacking it and it did nothing to schaeffer when he stopped it to talk to it
quick grove
makes sense with punk's theory
Punk?
analog frigate
Don't know who he is or she
cool lad, has made a lot of contributions to lore
analog frigate
we have a lot to expect
we haven't been down 2km yet
there is a lot we don't know about red alpha
quick grove
analog frigate
more creatures that were mentioned but never seen
some mother type that was mentioned
quick grove
Didn't schaeffer say if you go beyond a certain depth the warden can't reach you
analog frigate
yeah
quick grove
there is a lot we don't know about red alpha
True
analog frigate
he said the more you go down the weaker the signal becomes
analog frigate
which actually poses some interesting possibilities
analog frigate
So that's how he broke lose
mostly broke loose
he still is having a hard time thinking and knowing who he is
quick grove
Does he still see the hud display as the players do
Because i know the warden displays that for them
analog frigate
the display is a normal thing for KSOs
everything beside the mission updates isn't controlled by it
at least that's what i know
analog frigate
i wonder, what does it say his mission is
quick grove
Eh but the warden doesn't find him as a threat tho
quick grove
i wonder, what does it say his mission is
Probably the last thing him and his team was doing
Wait really
analog frigate
yes
analog frigate
i believe in something like C1 the objective is to turn off the turbines to flood the lower levels with fog
where schaeffer is/was
and that's how E1 became full with fog
quick grove
But that won't kill him its only fog tho
quick grove
E1 one i unfortunately couldn't play that mission
analog frigate
it seems quite likely that was a part of the goal
royal finch
My assumption is that if the fog wasn't infectious, it tried to limit his sight to the point where he would either get lost and die of starvation/dehydration/kill himself (?) or accidentaly stumble into a sleeper and wake up the room, getting killed.
analog frigate
R4E1 fog was toxic
analog frigate
really seems like it
royal finch
I also kind of wonder what the infectious fog really is or more so, why do we have symptomps like these
I know it just might be a game mechanic, but even if we have maximum infection we cant die
royal finch
Go on 😩
Im not the one to make docs, but i like asking questions and making up theories LOL
analog frigate
royal finch
Thanks, ill look at it when im on my pc (new phone , still dont know how to delete downloaded files bruh moment)
analog frigate
good
royal finch
So, I read the entire file, I really like the theory that it is indeed a reactor fuel. Having a nuclear reactor so deep underground would definitely create some fuss and protests from the people, and the radiation would be a big problem.
So the alternative doesn't sound bad, I can only imagine how radioactive everything would be and the constant risk of earthquakes making the reactors unstable would be too risky as well
(especially if a nuclear reactor were to blow up I don't think the complex would've preserved, or anything in it)
agile plinth
yeah
and it explains the magic reactor
there was one that had only 5cm of glass protecting the fuel rods
subtle verge
there was one that had only 5cm of glass protecting the fuel rods
It's possible that they're using a form of tempered glass, as that is one of the strongest glass materials to date in the available market.
It's also used in a lot of machinery that involves chemical mixing, higher temperatures, gases, and other similar things. I think catalysts, too, though I could be mistaken.
analog frigate
It's possible that they're using a form of tempered glass, as that is one of the...
makes sense but tempered glass doesn't protect against radiation
solar nova
Yeah, you'd expect a lead encasing.
analog frigate
not only
you would also need water
that's why all reactors are submerged in tons of water
it stops neutron rays iirc
solar nova
Probably, I'd assume it's a similar principle to lead.
Not a nuclear physicist, though.
analog frigate
yeah i've yet to check that part of physics
analog frigate
that wouldn't be see through in any way as well
while the magic glass smc has is
well it's not so magic anymore
subtle verge
Wdym? Leaded glass is see-through. Never seen leaded glassware before?
analog frigate
it is?
subtle verge
Used to be super popular, yeah.
analog frigate
i'd imagine a layer of lead
or it's somehow incorporated into it
which would make it at least cloudy
analog frigate
Used to be super popular, yeah.
that sounds bad
how much time did it take for them to figure out what caused everyone to get heavy metal poisoning?
solar nova
Might also be that there is water, it's just not really presented to us that clearly.
subtle verge
Leaded glass is safe, the only difference between it and normal potash glass is the calcium content is replaced by lead.
analog frigate
that won't stop gamma and beta rays
you need a solid layer
not just particles scattered in the glass
the rays could still make their way between them
analog frigate
Might also be that there is water, it's just not really presented to us that cle...
refractive grating could be equal or something yeah
subtle verge
Right, hence the statement that I wasn't being serious.
subtle verge
Just makes it look pretty in a decanter-style glass.
analog frigate
not exactly
but the water needs to be swapped out
and properly disposed of
also the water level will be lower due to heat
royal finch
mutated fish when
analog frigate
never
royal finch
😂
wild plank
delicious, delicious irradiation
small bobcat
To be fair the game takes place a good few decades into the future right? So maybe it could be handwaved away as having developed stronger, denser material for that
analog frigate
not likely
we are max in late 2070
and to develop a see-through material that stops all types of radiation emitted by a nuclear reactor
really isn't possible unless we exaggerate on what KDS and SMC can do
also from an engineering standpoint, there is no need to make it see through
it would only drive up costs
finite vine
NASA is actually looking into technology that deflects radiation using magnetic fields
so the tech used in the game might be quite advanced
analog frigate
we literally go in to start the reactor
can't exactly generate precise magnetic fields without electromagnets
finite vine
also why does it matter if there is radiation or not
could be a geothermal reactor
or something else
analog frigate
that's not the point
it's to prove that toxic fog is toxic due to cyanoacids
specifically their bacteria
finite vine
ah ok
analog frigate
since cyanoacids can be used as biofuel
finite vine
first, the reactors have to be biofuel, second, they have to use cyanobacteria, third, the cyanobacteria had to of escaped and spread all over the complex. kinda seems unlikely to me in terms of actually being written into the lore already. totally possible though.
do bioreactors irl use cyanobacteria for fuel?
analog frigate
not all
actually they just don't since it's currently not properly utilised
iirc it's much more efficient than current solutions
and in can easily spread through the facility
if nothing is maintained and it's just left there
at some point it will leak
it doesn't take much for it to cause it's bacteria to be in almost all fog
wild plank
Interesting.
analog frigate
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shut mountain
thanks
knotty harness
they could have invented better shielded glass, lol
analog frigate
how exactly?
knotty harness
dunno, it's 2070 or whatever shit, could have been some advances
analog frigate
the reactors were made when the mining complex was, so around 2050
we also can easily assume why they wouldn't use nuclear reactors
they are extremely dangerous underground and near a tectonic plate which would result in earthquakes
also the explosion schaeffer mentioned would definitely cause some issues with them
huh
analog frigate
first, the reactors have to be biofuel, second, they have to use cyanobacteria, ...
sky now that i think about it, the spread could've been caused by breaches due to the explosion schaeffer talked about
we don't really get any reports of toxic fog before that
and there aren't really any logs after it
so it's probable
finite vine
true
at that point though, the infection could of come from somewhere else besides the reactors.
agile plinth
depends what infection we are talking about
lapis viper
the fourth one
tall anchor
Yeah, they are DEFINETLY not nuclear reactors of the conventional type
all of our characters would be dead or vomiting stuff by the end of the first wave, let alone some of the deeper missions
subtle verge
Biofuel reactors. 🤘
subtle verge
It also could be a biomass reactor of some type
I have a written theory on the use of biofuels through aquaculture/artificial agriculture, and the infectious fog that we get put through is a remnant of cyanophyta -- cyanotoxins.
urban linden
Does anyone know how long the prisoners have been imprisoned for, what their thoughts on their imprisonment are, and why they're imprisoned by the warden in the first place? I kinda just started reading the lore like, a couple hours ago
subtle verge
I believe two of them have been imprisoned for a long time; we're talking 10+ years before current events. However, with current timeframe, we theorize we're in the year 2065-2070 where current logs have the latest date of mid 2057.
So.. I'd say roughly 10-20 years depending on which one they are. Dauda has been in for maybe 7-10 years or so.
They don't like imprisonment at all, but continue to perform tasks for The Warden as a necessary evil.
A TL;DR of everything that's occurred so far, and a few extras. 🙂
If you have any other questions, please feel free to descend into madness with the rest of us!
finite vine
i think bishop got imprisoned some time around the 2020’s
analog frigate
A TL;DR of everything that's occurred so far, and a few extras. 🙂
punk fyi we need to change the summary a bit
schaeffer is a KSO but a dauda situation
subtle verge
Gotcha. We can do that. When I get home from the bar, if I'm still sober enough, I'll update it. If not, I'll hit you up tomorrow and we can krangle it out.
urban linden
@subtle vergeholy shit. that is some hardcore suffering. i can see why the prisoners look like they're having mental breakdowns, i'd be going insane if that was my reality.
quick grove
i think bishop got imprisoned some time around the 2020’s
Mans old as fuck then of the game takes between 2065 and 2070
wintry cave
lore
robust apex
i think bishop got imprisoned some time around the 2020’s
2031-2032 at the earliest
He was in Venezuela for three years starting in 2028, and ended in legion after that
robust apex
I believe two of them have been imprisoned for a long time; we're talking 10+ ye...
2048 is the earliest for Woods and Hackett, we don't know how long it is between each of them being picked up by legion and them being put in a HSU
silver vine
When did we have logs for 2065 - 2070 ? Never saw one older than 2054
robust apex
"After reaching their set goal of 1.5km depth"
1.5km was the initial goal, there are some logs extending it and later logs discussing what happens when they hit 2k
robust apex
When did we have logs for 2065 - 2070 ? Never saw one older than 2054
There are logs up to 2057, estimates for the 2060s are based on the state of decay of garganta
quick grove
Question why was the warden tryinh to route power to 4 hsu pods but his overide was denied
silver vine
There are logs up to 2057, estimates for the 2060s are based on the state of dec...
Thanks
Btw, I really liked the fact that the Power Hungry warden therory of R4 (we were gathering power) is confirmed with R6. We know why we needed that much power
Good find on this one guys
quick grove
Oh was nvm thats gens
quick grove
Btw, I really liked the fact that the Power Hungry warden therory of R4 (we were...
Why do we need so much power?
silver vine
We have big things teleporting us. I'm guessing they need lots of power
dim scroll
We still don't know what D3's reactor is used for tho
quick grove
And D3 reactor is huge
dim scroll
Same reactor as R4E1
quick grove
With the gaints and everything
silver vine
We were already wondering why we need to go that deep during R4 to power a freaking reactor. I guess R6 teleporting machinery explain why we needed that much power, maybe we will have an answer for R6D3 reactor during R6.5 or a future rundown.
dim scroll
Why would he want us to do it again
silver vine
Or maybe we just need more and more power just because those teleporting thing are really power hungry
quick grove
Holy shit that looks sick as fuck
silver vine
R4E1 extreme was.... something 🙃
dim scroll
512 : 2 shadow scouts, shadows, regular sleepers
513 : 4 mothers
514 : hybrids, regular sleepers
515 : blood door, shitton of shadows, sleepers & giants
517 : in fog, full of chargers & big chargers, needed a cell from 515 to be opened
516 : 4 shadow scouts, big shadows, hybrids, regular shadows, regular sleepers
silver vine
Tank error alarm at the beginning, 3 S1 scan during this error alarm, than shut down the alarm and decide extreme or main. Extreme was the reactor, the end of main was fog + shadows for 40min. Then Class 6 S1 scan leading to Tank + Pmother fight to access extraction. It was a wild level
dim scroll
end of main was big shadows + shadows + shadow scouts
in fog
extraction was an error alarm of big chargers
xd
quick grove
queen mango
yeah, but it's fun
silver vine
I didn't like it very much (especially the fog area) but yeah, it was a good level
silver vine
Pacing of this level was the issue (R4C3)
dim scroll
Le funny charger error
queen mango
aw yeah, r4c3 pe
dim scroll
le funny "get the key in a completely dark room full of big chargers"
le funny "hey class 5 alarm with 2 doors opened"
quick grove
4 mothers' room : *triggers*
FPS : 𝓐𝓭𝓲𝓸𝓼
Fps goes brrrrrt
silver vine
the funny, let's go back and prep things for 20min just to die 5min later behind the High bulkhead
dim scroll
le funny "hey let's get the fucking fog turbine in a room with 4 big chargers, a scout & several chargers"
queen mango
class 5 shadow alarm
dim scroll
And the ultimate funny extraction
I always got big chargers in it for some fucking reason
dim scroll
Also that objective was dumb as shit
queen mango
I was lucky to clear r4c3 pe on my second attempt
quick grove
Le funny R5B4 when you have no ammo
quick grove
@dim scroll your profile where is it from
quick grove
Chaos?
dim scroll
FF Origins
quick grove
This thing doesn't get mentioned once except logs
silver vine
yeap, not in game
quick grove
Well give it a name atleast
dim scroll
If we get a pic of it then it should be possible
quick grove
The warden doesn't have a pic and theres lore
quick grove
My boi schaeffer who confronted the thing syill doesn't have lore for his part of the wiki
quick grove
Am i blind or his there standing something
dim scroll
is that a freaking monkey
silver vine
I don't know what it is. I suppose it might be the creature, but this are old image from 10c
so maybe not related at all
agile plinth
those images are quite old
and i believe the thing in the middle of one is a concept sleeper
wild plank
is that a freaking monkey
🐒
hardy dew
compact sedge
So I saw some .txt around here that stated that NAM-V killed so many people that there's only 25k mofos left on earth. my question is: how are the prisoners alive if NAM-V manages to pass through HAZMAT suits?
analog frigate
they were sealed away in HSUs
basically isolated from the world by steel
the parasite that originally carries NAM-V can penetrate class A Hazmat suits yes
but that's commonly a max .2cm thick nylon or something similar
analog frigate
not exactly
it is yet to be confirmed that NAM-V causes sleepers
sleepers are known to be caused by something else similar to a parasite that goes into a person's digestion system
scenic yacht
Is there a compilation of all the lore we got in rundown 6?
analog frigate
Is there a compilation of all the lore we got in rundown 6?
i suggest looking at the pins
there is a timeline
also
this is a quick summary and FAQ you can read
it's a good surface level introduction
sorry for the late reply
scenic yacht
Ok thanks, where did people get that only 25k humans are left alive on earth?
finite vine
Ok thanks, where did people get that only 25k humans are left alive on earth?
assuming that no cure or vaccination was created for NAM-V and assuming that it spread all over the world, then only 25k people were found not infected using simulations.
scenic yacht
Is there a in-game source for that? What simulations?
finite vine
pretty sure Daraxus did the simulation so if u have any specific questions I would ask him
finite vine
Is there a in-game source for that? What simulations?
I think online simulations. using an R-Naught of 17 which was given by the logs in game
scenic yacht
So is it even known if the virus is out of the complex?
finite vine
So is it even known if the virus is out of the complex?
yea some of the logs confirmed that the virus spread to europe
and all over the U.S.
finite vine
some people think between 2065-2070 but there is really no way of knowing.
scenic yacht
And I just saw the cdc log about cases in Florida.
Wow THAT long after the last dated log?!
finite vine
yea it’s really obscure
we don’t even know how much time passes between the expeditions
honest merlin
Most of our hints come from the state the complex is in right now
finite vine
yea but we don’t know when the complex became abandoned
or even if it fully is abandoned
most likely is thou
I thought the complex became abandoned once the autogen explosions happened in 2053 but we know that’s not the case
so idk anymore lol
analog frigate
I thought the complex became abandoned once the autogen explosions happened in 2...
no
we have internal logs from 2057 iirc
scenic yacht
Where can I find the logs from 2057?!
analog frigate
you can find them on the timeline chase did when he adds them
scenic yacht
The pinned timeline’s last one is 2054
scenic yacht
Oh it hasn’t been added to the pinned yet I gotcha
scenic yacht
Ok, so is the wiki fully updated?
analog frigate
yes
scenic yacht
ok thanks for all the help, im looking at the wiki for the logs right now. Very interesting lore for this game
analog frigate
yeah it's very in-depth
scenic yacht
Once I'm done with these logs I'll probably have more questions lol
analog frigate
go ahead and ask when you have them
subtle verge
@analog frigate Did you happen to change the Schaeffer thing or would you like for me to do it?
Sorry for super late reply, slept in way too long due to this hangover. Lmfao.
analog frigate
i've been busy but i can do it
scenic yacht
This for sure needs to be pinned
subtle verge
Might be better to be pinned as a GDoc.
scenic yacht
I was just about to ask what all these acronyms meaned
subtle verge
Though... I guess it does work in it's current form, and we can always go back and edit it as needed.
And I'm not sure who to really ask for pinning a message.
Normally, I ask Ravenna, but I feel like I annoy her when I do. Lmfao.
scenic yacht
So I just read thru the logs of R6, now I have so many questions
Is there any explanation or theorys to what the creature Schaeffer found is?
agile plinth
yes
my current one is that it's something that came out of the bodies Gustavo wanted to be burned
way early in the timeline
die to its description
it also makes sense from an ecological standpoint why they would attack it
but then there is an issue
he describes it as being made from multiple bodies but is that before or after it was torn apart by the other sleepers
if it's after then a main point becomes invalid
scenic yacht
ah yes, when Schaeffer sees it he says "... a fire... a mountain of bodies of fire... the dead and twisted"
scenic yacht
so nothing else is explained about it other than it showed up to Schaeffer, it got torn apart by sleepers and now its basically a ghost and it talks weird
agile plinth
it doesn't exactly talk
it repeats
although it's unknown if it somehow took memories of the people it mutated from, or if it heard those lines and repeated them like a parrot
in any case, it doesn't appear conscious of what it's saying
more so responding when hearing certain things
faint ravine
Getting some Thing vibes
agile plinth
a bit except deadlier
scenic yacht
I feel like it is conscious of what its saying, it sounds as if its trying to learn our language. For example in the log SC3-1BG-98 (Found in R6C2) Schaeffer is alarmed when he confronts it, the creature then tries to calm him down by saying "Do not be afraid my friend" and then saying seemingly random phrases that seem weird out of context but the creature could think these phrases are what "Humans" say to each other in normal conversation. It sounds as if the creature is trying to calm Schaeffer down
agile plinth
fair point, although it doesn't explain exactly why it stopped talking and made seemingly random lines
but yet again, we don't know enough and haven't heard it talk outside of that
scenic yacht
what random lines did it make?
agile plinth
are you a dog or cat person?
scenic yacht
ah random lines as in phrases
scenic yacht
thats what I was saying, its using these phrases as a means to calm Schaeffer down. I think the creature is likely alien to the language and is using these phrases in an abnormal way
agile plinth
makes sense
scenic yacht
like a robot that has access to all human conversation but doesnt exactly know how to seem "normal" in conversation
Moving on to my next question though, the company Kovac are the ones who instated the Legion program and Biocom (which is the name of the AI to my understanding) to the complex?
scenic yacht
ok wow, so was there anything "sketchy" going on in Santonian/the complex before Kovac?
agile plinth
there was some sketchy stuff yes
with Santonian
the whole cleaning up old business
and then the Complex with its quite inhumane conditions
iirc that's why SMC signed a contract with KDS
to keep all their secrets they'll get sued for inside Garganta
scenic yacht
yea so in the log DLBC-EXPR-10JD (Found in R6C1) Anders Johanson says that they are under scrutiny with the UN investigations before Kovac gets partnered. Why?
only for inhuman conditions?
agile plinth
i am not completely sure
but if i remember properly
it's that and the whole business they had to do with Gustavo as to get the right to make the mine
aka over 3 thousand bodies being burned
and similar extremely inhumane and illegal stuff
scenic yacht
wait wait wait, why tf did they need to burn 3k bodies? And who is Gustavo?
agile plinth
Gustavo Peres, a figure of power in the Yucatan peninsula
possibly some politician
and the bodies?
i don't remember
but i think it was only mentioned that it's business
someone else needs to confirm
scenic yacht
ok ill put a pin in that, that would explain the scrutiny from the UN then
Ok moving on to the next question. The creature in DT-E105-009 (Found in R6D1) that the miner describes to the therapist, any theories?
a sleeper?
agile plinth
it is another one out of the 3 unknown mentioned sleeeprs
it acts sorta like a shadow
but the miner supposedly actually saw it's body, not shadow
worthy flower
The shadow warpers
agile plinth
yeah and the fact that it teleports a bit
worthy flower
Cant wait for a type of shadow that decloaks
scenic yacht
ok so its likely just an early sleeper of sorts then
finite vine
it seems like a shadow to me
scenic yacht
it has to be something different because he saw its body and describes it but it stopped chasing him after a bit
usually sleepers chase you no matter what
till death
agile plinth
if it were a shadow you would see just the shadow, a 2d shape
agile plinth
till death
makes sense, but that's currently
scenic yacht
he goes into detail about its broken neck, strong legs and short arms
agile plinth
their behaviour varies quite a lot
in such a scenario it makes sense to retreat
most singular units of a hive would
agile plinth
no
it really depends
@subtle verge sorry to bother you but could you send the sleeper analysis
can't exactly get the file currently
agile plinth
here's a report on the sleepers
scenic yacht
and whats the sources for this?
agile plinth
every log we could get, what they do in-game, a close look at them
every little bit of observation
and a big part was written by someone who actually has a medical degree
well, is going to have in like 2 months iirc
subtle verge
(Future) Dr Grem.
agile plinth
mhm
scenic yacht
"Originally discovered when mining in the location of the Chicxulub crater,tucked away in an underground system that miners drilled into. Upon this gateway being opened, the sleepers began to attack and inhabit the complex. The disturbance of their hibernative state had incredible consequences. Armed forces were brought in to attempt to purge these creatures from the complex, but efforts were in vain. Vast in number, the sleepers migrated into the complex and made it their new home, and continued their hibernation"
So this is the origins of the sleepers?
they were found?
agile plinth
yup
well not the origins
but how they first made contact with people
we know before this they were on Red Alpha
scenic yacht
I feel like this text opens a whole can of worms
agile plinth
and then the meteorite teleported and killed the dinosaurs
subtle verge
They came from the Chicxulub crater; the meteor that wiped out the dinosaurs. 🙂
brittle sinew
oh dang, i thought sleepers were people mutated by the virus
agile plinth
but then we get a whole lot more complicated
scenic yacht
so sleepers are not human then?
scenic yacht
wow this text is very interesting, so sleepers came from Red Alpha on the meteor and were chilling in a cave deep in the earth
agile plinth
yeah
scenic yacht
so the original sleepers were an alien race that got infected with the nam-v virus and somehow made it to earth on the asteroid (fossil, maybe living being?) and are now spreading the virus
analog frigate
we don't really know
scenic yacht
or maybe the aliens are the nam-v virus itself
very interesting, more unanswered questions
analog frigate
or maybe the aliens are the nam-v virus itself
it's a possibility
we haven't yet confirmed if NAM-V causes sleepers
brittle sinew
is there anything that explains the shape of the random human corpses found? such as their toung being so huge
brittle sinew
coming out of their mouth? gross
iirc i saw some bodies have a wound on their head that looked like it was starting to split open in the same way some of sleepers heads do
scenic yacht
"The more specialized ones... are actually born , while more basic ones are originally mutated from humans"
analog frigate
they died mid-transformation
analog frigate
"The more specialized ones... are actually born , while more basic ones are orig...
sorta
we get into ecology again
and how they work as a hive
scenic yacht
well this is from the "Nature of sleepers" link
analog frigate
yes
scenic yacht
so humans DO mutate but mothers also birth entirely new species
brittle sinew
oh we know people turn into sleepers but we dont know if its the NAM-V virus that causes it or something else. is that what you meant by us not knowing if nam-v creates sleepers?
analog frigate
so humans DO mutate but mothers also birth entirely new species
technically those species are derived from human dna