#gtfo-lore

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dim scroll
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Well their scream is a way to communicate

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since it triggers everything in a room

analog frigate
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not sure how but seeing as they use echolocation already, it's not far off to assume that's also used to communicate

lilac island
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maybye they communicate wirelessly sort of like an rc car

dim scroll
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Also schaeffer doesn't seem to kill it in the log

lilac island
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he said he would kill it when he gets the chance

dim scroll
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Even though he was determined to

lilac island
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hey maybe spoilers for new enemy in r7

analog frigate
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maybe fear

lilac island
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or r6.5

dim scroll
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A speaking enemy ?

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i don't think so

analog frigate
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it's possible

lilac island
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an intelligent creature

dim scroll
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More logs about it would be interesting

lilac island
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sort of like a human sleeper hybrid

dim scroll
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It's not even intelligent i think

analog frigate
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there are 2 (or 3) sleepers that were mentioned but never seen

lilac island
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it can speak

analog frigate
dim scroll
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At this point it feels like a creature thinking everything is fine around it

lilac island
dim scroll
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It doesn't care about the sleepers

analog frigate
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it repeats

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almost every animal can do that

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(at least the ones with proper vocal cords)

dim scroll
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Could be the same as mothers

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dude is infected but something in it just tries to copy his memories

analog frigate
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repeating speech does not count as intelligence unless you have a different definition for intelligence

dim scroll
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& repeat whatever dude has in his mind

lilac island
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i dont think any of the other sleepers can repeat

analog frigate
analog frigate
dim scroll
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Sleepers aren't animal tho

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Also did you see mothers ?

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They literally copy patterns of human beings

analog frigate
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this still is a conversation about their behavior

lilac island
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they have a human face

analog frigate
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and some sides of mountains also do

lilac island
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what does this have to do with mountains

analog frigate
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nothing

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same thing as speech to intelligence

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they really aren't connected

lilac island
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smart sleeper's when

analog frigate
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not any time soon

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but then it depends what you call smart

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flyers are ~technically~ smart since they dodge and generally avoid bullets unlike the normal sleepers

dim scroll
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You can definitely imagine evolved sleepers

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with intelligence

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But surely these would have killed schaeffer already

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😳

lilac island
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unless they want to talk to him

dim scroll
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Tank has some sort of intelligence

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as well as mothers

lilac island
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to a degree

analog frigate
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true

dim scroll
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They have defense mechanisms

analog frigate
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the tank keeps line of sight

dim scroll
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Know how not to expose their weakpoints

analog frigate
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but what about mothers?

dim scroll
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or to hide themselves

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fog

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  • fake death
analog frigate
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oh yeah

dim scroll
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It keeps moving as well

analog frigate
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defence mechanisms

lilac island
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the mother backs up into a corner

dim scroll
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I don't get why shadows exist though

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I don't remember staying in darkness would make yourself literally transparent to light

analog frigate
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yeah that's one of the things that just doesn't make sense

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since like

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hmm

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they aren't transparent for sure

dim scroll
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Nah

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it's more like they reflect ambient light

analog frigate
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most likely bend light around them somehow

dim scroll
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Even so our lamps work fine

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Glowsticks don't

analog frigate
analog frigate
lilac island
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ye

dim scroll
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They don't seem to emit heat or life signs

lilac island
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what about microwaves?

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if only we could cook sleeper

analog frigate
dim scroll
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otherwise sentries would yeet them easily

analog frigate
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life signs yes

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since the biotracker detects them

dim scroll
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true

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Yet their biotracking lasts for a few seconds

analog frigate
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i believe turrets work with movement and bio IDs

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as in, KSOs don't get shocked since they have an ID, same one they use for security doors

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while the movement is how they detect anything

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they don't shoot random particles of dust in the air since there is a required amount of movement to activate and check for an ID

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issue is, we have nothing without an ID that's not a sleeper to confirm

dim scroll
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We don't have any sleeper with an ID either

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For some reason they like to wear their clothes off

analog frigate
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probably tore them off

wild plank
subtle verge
# lilac island it can speak

It can't "speak" per se, it's more associated with sound mimicry like how a parrot or lyrebird can mimic sounds they hear. I'm sure its intelligent enough to be similar to other animals in the idea it can understand a limited number of words like, unironically, a dog or cat.

dim scroll
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It seems to understand what schaeffer asks as well

analog frigate
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somewhat but still doesn't mean much

dim scroll
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yeah

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Maybe it can also imitate the "answers" of someone who would've been asked the same question

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Yet it seems so relaxed lol

analog frigate
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it's just repeating the exact thing it heard

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it doesn't know the specifics

dim scroll
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I mean there is not a single tone

analog frigate
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also hi punk

subtle verge
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Vocally, it reminds me of the Tranquil from Dragon Age if you've ever played it.

analog frigate
dim scroll
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When parrots repeat, they don't understand the feeling behind the words as well

analog frigate
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true

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but they do have a non monotone tone

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hmm

subtle verge
analog frigate
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well air is transparent and there have to be some leeway for movement as to not just detect random dust particles

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also a thermal signature is just light but at a lower frequency

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so it works in the sense that they refract light

analog frigate
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yeah

real flax
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The thing that Schaeffer talks to, could it be an android? Like in Alien.

dim scroll
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No

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It's organic

analog frigate
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yes

lilac island
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unlike mcdonalds

dim scroll
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The more i listen to it the scarier it sounds ngl

lilac island
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thats only 20% organic

analog frigate
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i have a theory about it

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it seems very related to the bodies gustavo wanted burned

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wait

graceful lotus
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only true gamers will understand
are you a dog or cat person?

lilac island
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kat

analog frigate
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@subtle verge you worked on the gustavo theory, does schaeffer have any connections?

subtle verge
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As far as I'm aware, Schaeffer doesn't have any immediate connections to either, or at least to their squall.

analog frigate
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i see

subtle verge
analog frigate
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any reason why he would b

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fuck

analog frigate
wild plank
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So you can't, uh... see through glass windows?

subtle verge
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A lot of things happen to the psyche when under immense amounts of duress: false confessions in an attempt to be saved, or repentance to a higher power like we see in Dauda's log, down to just general manic episodes.

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An attempt to absolve oneself of any wrongdoings through apology, even if they're not connected to a certain happening.

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It's possible that Schaeffer feels guilt in reference to allowing his work crew perish. Most pit crews have a very tight-knit relationship, akin to a family.

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Survivor's guilt and stuff.

analog frigate
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hmm

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what about his crew?

subtle verge
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Elaborate?

analog frigate
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were they a part of the burned bodies?

subtle verge
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Oh, we have no idea.

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There's no identifier as to the burning outside of the notion that they were just found in places unreached by Gustavo's teams.

dim scroll
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Hmmmm

wild plank
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Yes, yes, I read that bit. Just a little jork.

robust apex
dim scroll
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?

robust apex
dim scroll
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The fact they literally take the position of a pregnant woman giving birth ?

solemn kraken
robust apex
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I'm not quite sure I'd strictly call that copying in the sense of the mother actively emulating or trying to mimic that.

subtle verge
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So, by instinct, if they were copying humans it'd be a different position.

Edit: It would be more of a kneeling/upright position.

dim scroll
subtle verge
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There are a few different variations. For optimal comfort throughout history, it's been an upright position.

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Ensures the highest probability of mother and baby survival.

dim scroll
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Anyway

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Since that's the position we associate human birthing with, it wouldn't be surprising to have whatever is transforming humans "imitate" that thought

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As unnatural as it is

subtle verge
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It's possible. It more reminds me of how a scorpion/spider or even a marsupial carries their young.

worthy flower
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i wonder if the thing schaeffer is talking to is an infected neonate.

subtle verge
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Its possible. Some of us speculate, based on the descriptions given by Schaeffer, that it's somewhat akin to a "The Thing" type of creature that survived the mass grave burning and grafted itself from remains.

craggy hollow
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what is the name of the critter at the end of ||d1|| and could it be that?

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like some sort of hive mind?

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an antagonist counterpart to the warden?

wild plank
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please

wild plank
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man what is wrong with kings

subtle verge
flat tiger
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the creature being identified as a corpse from the surface fires to me puts it at being something different, especially with understanding speech and speaking to some extent.

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the use of the line "we aren't so different, you and i" and "are you a dog or a cat person" seem to suggest that whatever is controlling that body is actively pulling memories of things to say in small talk and pop culture tropes to attempt to make contact, but once it receives questions it doesn't know how to answer, it goes silent

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i know, absolutely crazy idea, but i'm pretty sure whatever it is in that body is attempting to put humans it finds at ease to get close with their guard down.

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it's a hunting tactic, a mimicry to make them think they're safe, just that whatever that thing is is so poor at it that it isn't fooling anyone, especially not someone as paranoid and jumpy as schaeffer

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but even we do the same sorts of things when we hunt, deer calls and the like.

analog frigate
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my current headcannon is that it's somehow related to the burned bodies gustavo ordered

analog frigate
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that is predatory behavoir

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include that with using a human host, decent intelligence (in animal terms)

stone sedge
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I suspect it's the same entity that was previously interfering with biocom

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part of this is writing patterns- both are generally covered in this rundown

agile plinth
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i don't think any known sleeper would be able to upload a program to change the BIOCOM's protocols

agile plinth
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and definitely not related to the warden

agile plinth
stone sedge
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how do we know the entity that speaks to schaeffer is a sleeper?

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he says it's torn apart by sleepers

agile plinth
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appearance

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and possibilities

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it can't be much of anything else

vagrant fiber
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so this mimicry is similar to SCP 939

agile plinth
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yea

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although not yet known if it's exactly to lure people in

stone sedge
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why would it be a sleeper if schaeffer says it is torn apart by sleepers

knotty harness
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cause they stopped tearing it apart after it Got Better

vagrant fiber
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could be a intermediate stage

agile plinth
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if any new animal appears from a species, it takes time for the rest to learn it's one of them

vagrant fiber
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between human and sleeper or asymptomatic stage

knotty harness
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why do sleepers react to flashlights when they have no eyes /s

vagrant fiber
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heat my guess is

agile plinth
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they react to different wavelengths

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that's why glow sticks do nothing

knotty harness
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iirc you can bean a sleeper with a glow stick and it won't react

vagrant fiber
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The Scout must be more dull to Electromagnetic waves

knotty harness
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let's just throw rocks at them until they die

agile plinth
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that's probably just a game mechanic thing

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an explanation is, things fall on them commonly so they don't react

vagrant fiber
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makes sense unless it is blunt force trauma from a sledge hammer

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So the parasite came from Site Alpha

agile plinth
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the meteorite is from red alpha and the parasite came with it

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issue is, a theory that the kraken and flyers are actually the original species of red alpha but infected with the sleeper parasite, posing that it could've come from somewhere else

vagrant fiber
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Red Alpha when we use the device to get there is it like a pocket wormhole from point a to b.

agile plinth
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there are a couple possibilities

vagrant fiber
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noted

agile plinth
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quantum entanglement to another dimension which poses either extreme energy of sort or self contained gravity that the crystals exhibit

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or they bend spacetime to transport us to another position within our own universe

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anyway i have to go

vagrant fiber
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alright take it easy nice chat

wild plank
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Funkey.

wild plank
stone sedge
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where ingame are the new environments referred to as "red alpha"? I only ever see them written up as "Alpha" followed by a number.

analog frigate
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Alpha 1 and Alpha 2

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alpha 2 is the one in b1

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alpha 1 is what you see in c1 and d1

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while Red Alpha is the entire planet

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at least that's what we call it

stone sedge
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I get the former part, I'm asking about the latter because it invites confusion with the manned spaceflight of the same name

analog frigate
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well the name of the shuttle to mars was that name

stone sedge
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yes

analog frigate
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and it's the only appropriate thing in-game with have to name it

analog frigate
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quick question

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can someone send that one log about the warden

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the one i keep forgetting

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nvm found it

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alright another question

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the warden tried to kill schaeffer in r3 or r4?

finite vine
analog frigate
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it is

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it tried to by filling everything with toxic fog

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that's why E1 was how it was

finite vine
analog frigate
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no idea

finite vine
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then how do you know that E1 isn’t naturally filled with fog

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I think the fog was released as a part of an optional objective...

analog frigate
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@harsh saffron do you possibly remember this part?

harsh saffron
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Only main objective for pushing down fog in R4 is B2 I think
and in C3 extreme we also pushed some fog down but I always just assumed that the moving fog specifically in E1 was the warden trying to flush schaeffer out

analog frigate
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i remember that being it's main goal that rundown

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and then in E1 we were supposed to try and kill him if possible?

harsh saffron
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Don't think it's mentioned specifically but thats what ppl assumed because: Moving fog --> schaeffer is/was present

analog frigate
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yeah it makes sense that that was the goal in some capacity

harsh saffron
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unless Schaffer is the warden himself WoodsThonk

analog frigate
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nah calle is

harsh saffron
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true

lilac island
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true true i agree with your statement

subtle verge
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I concur.

hasty glen
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The Jump Site is definitely not Mars.

analog frigate
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i don't remember who actually decided to call it red alpha

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iirc it was a thing in the wiki and people just started using it

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i had a different name for it before but it's better to be consistent

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btw red alpha was originally the name of the shuttle itself

hasty glen
analog frigate
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well we have alpha 1 and 2 being the outposts

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you can see how some people made the connection

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it took a lot of time to make people understand it's not mars

hasty glen
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yeah, but's that's literally just designating them A1 and A2

subtle verge
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Dibs on it being called "Spaghetti Junction" because, just like the on/off-ramp junction in Lousiville, KY, I have no idea what the fuck is going on.

analog frigate
hasty glen
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NATO or Greek alphabet

analog frigate
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they aren't called A1 and A2 in the audio or text logs

hasty glen
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Alpha is the first letter, i.e. A1 and A2

analog frigate
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yes

lilac island
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g levels when

analog frigate
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cheese, probably never

hasty glen
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yeah, I mean it makes sense that that realm is called Alpha, but literally anything other than Red with it would be better 🤓

analog frigate
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i agree

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technically red can be taken from how mars is called the red planet even though it's the same orange style landscape

hasty glen
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but I'm betting if there's another 'jump address' on a different 'planet' (or whatever it is) it'll be called Beta or Bravo One, Bravo Two etc

analog frigate
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most likely not

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doesn't make sense from a lore and gameplay standpoint

lilac island
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so the monsters are basically

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the thing 1982?

analog frigate
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not exactly

lilac island
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is what im getting after beating D1

analog frigate
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the kraken and flyers' origin aren't fully certain

lilac island
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i just wish they were only in the story missions

hasty glen
lilac island
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the same black tumor esque striations, the wierd ass tongue thing the sleepers do

analog frigate
# hasty glen how so?

we know the origin of the meteorite is there, all the crystals and generally all information comes from there, there is no reason to introduce another planet without even getting close to exploring the massive thing that is red alpha, everyone from insight is dead so there isn't much of a chance for new revelations - especially by mindless KSOs

analog frigate
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although it's unknown if they are the original sleeper species, or the original species of red alpha that was infected by the sleeper parasite

lilac island
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good point

subtle verge
lilac island
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the ||kraken|| definitely looks completely alien

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to everything else

analog frigate
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no need to spoiler anything btw

lilac island
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ok

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yeah the kraken

hasty glen
analog frigate
lilac island
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i thought we were calling them flying meatballs?

analog frigate
lilac island
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I thought the infection was limited to the facility

analog frigate
analog frigate
subtle verge
analog frigate
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he really doesn't know

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NAM-V spread worldwide

hasty glen
analog frigate
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almost everyone on earth is dead

lilac island
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oh so the human race is extinct

subtle verge
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Unfortunately Beholder is copyrighted by WotC. 😦

lilac island
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curious

analog frigate
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by simulations and estimates, there are less than 25 thousand people alive

lilac island
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and all of those are the

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people we play as

analog frigate
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those being in very, very isolated places

hasty glen
analog frigate
lilac island
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so like

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what is the surface of the earth like then

analog frigate
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we don't know

lilac island
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is it just billions of sleepers

analog frigate
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there are a lot of links

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but nothing definitive

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so we can only assume it's barren and post apocalyptic

hasty glen
lilac island
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that makes the premise of this game even more horrifically dire than I previously assumed

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I like it

subtle verge
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We don't know if it's caused by NAM-V or the parasites.

lilac island
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if I had to guess they

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are one in the same

analog frigate
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it's a possibility

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lore goes deep

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you can only explain and rationalise

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unless a log proves it

subtle verge
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Probably; we theorize thus far that it's a mutualistic relationship between NAM-V and the parasite.

analog frigate
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otherwise you can only convince with a theory or document

lilac island
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I prefer the mystery

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the kraken is an interesting development though

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it makes the whatever tf they are a lot more grand in scale

analog frigate
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it does provide more explanations, yes

subtle verge
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My favorite part of lore discovery and theorizing: making 10 different viable theories for one thing, and then getting side-swiped by something we didn't think of or being correct. Such an adrenaline dump for a lore junkie like me.

analog frigate
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yeah

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kinda like the toxic fog

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that took like what, 2 weeks?

lilac island
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and I like that

subtle verge
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Something like that, and we have what.. 4 theories on it?

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5?

lilac island
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how big even is it

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the thing seems to rise out, like

analog frigate
lilac island
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a several mile deep hole

analog frigate
lilac island
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ah ok

analog frigate
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it flies btw

lilac island
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thats still fucking huge but not as colossal as I thought

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what

analog frigate
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it's not a worm

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if you look down you can see it's floating

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which kinda drove me insane the first time i saw it

lilac island
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thats freaky

analog frigate
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it raises so many issues that it flies

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from almost every standpoint

subtle verge
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Personal opinion: I think it should have been a wyrm; and not just because I'm terrified of worm-like creatures.

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But wriggly creepy wormy things are... well, just that.

lilac island
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would have been cooler if it was, yes

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but

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its still very interesting

subtle verge
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True

agile plinth
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like, we figured out why flyers fly

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but this fucking thing doesn't work

lilac island
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yes

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im thinking it may just be a kind of oversight that its seen floating

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unless its the same thing the floaters do but scaled up by

agile plinth
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i really hope so

lilac island
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a large amount

agile plinth
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it's split in the middle like a striker

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all the tentacles need attachment points and muscles behind them to move

lilac island
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could have internal components we dont see

agile plinth
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that large amount of muscle mass and all the internal space is takes up doesn't allow for it to be filled with a very light gas like the flyers are

lilac island
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it could, also

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just be attached to the side of the cliff

agile plinth
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nope

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it's free floating

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also moves around from side to side

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up and down

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during the whole boss fight

lilac island
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yeah its flying then

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will there ever be an explanation who knows

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probably not

agile plinth
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i really really hope it was a lore oversight

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@frail pollen is the kraken actually connected to the lore or is it a r6d4 situation

lilac island
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it is def in the lore

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it releases floaters

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it could fly through some as of yet unknown propulsion

agile plinth
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iirc they just come from beneath the cliff, not from it

frail pollen
agile plinth
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damn it

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alright then

subtle verge
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Wait, wait, wait hold on a moment.

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Doc, you tell us not to dig too deep in to R6D4, but nothing else?

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So that means

lilac island
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its not THAT far fetched

subtle verge
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By proxy

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That the Kraken has lore relevancy.

lilac island
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it could literally just be producing a lot of bouyant gas

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that it uses to float around

frail pollen
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maybe it just farts really hard to stay flying

agile plinth
agile plinth
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the needed muscle mass to power coefficient

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ughhhh

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alrighty then

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time for some calculations

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we'll need to measure the thing and use pictures to make out it's 3d shape so we can give it an approximate mass

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its width can be done with markers

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then its lenght with its width

lilac island
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it shoulda just been a worm, a very large, very very very very large worm

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but if it floats

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it needs explanation, yes

agile plinth
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after that it's going to be finding out the needed force to keep it floating, so an equal newton force

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the gravity is around the same since jumping there is basically equal to on earth

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well it's late and i can't check dimensions

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I'll need someone to send width and length of it at some point

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possibly number and lenght of tentacles as well

wild plank
finite vine
finite vine
dim scroll
finite vine
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it appears that the kraken doesn't have any wings or anything like that, same with the flyers. they might manipulate gravity as a form of travel.

lilac island
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its probably gas

dim scroll
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As stupid as it sounds, isn't it much better to basically bury the whole complex ?

finite vine
lilac island
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natural propulsion

finite vine
lilac island
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whats left, anyways

dim scroll
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Would insight really try to save mankind tho

finite vine
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yes

lilac island
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most of humanity is basically extinct

finite vine
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who would not try to save humankind

dim scroll
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Greedy fucks

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for sure

lilac island
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theres really nothing to save

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everyone is dead, at least thats what the lore says

dim scroll
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I don't think they're doing it to save mankind

finite vine
lilac island
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there are maybe a few thousand left frozen by whatever tf the warden is

dim scroll
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But to make sure they're not seen as the culprit of the whole mess or whatever

finite vine
dim scroll
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Tru

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can't be guilty if there is no one to witness your deeds

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😳

lilac island
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the vast majority

finite vine
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no one... someone is probably trying to clean up the mess

lilac island
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99.9% or more

dim scroll
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If not for NAM-V, i'm pretty sure they would have blown up the whole complex

finite vine
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I get what you mean.

lilac island
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almost literally everyone is

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out of billions maybe a few thousand?

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yeah

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everyone lmao

dim scroll
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If NAM-V became a pandemic, the existence of sleeper is no longer a secret

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Yet militaries aren't raiding the complex to exterminate them

lilac island
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there arent any militaries left to speak of

dim scroll
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Hmmm yes

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anarchy momento

finite vine
# lilac island almost literally everyone is

assuming that no one found a cure for NAM-V, or no vaccine was created, also assuming that there were not originations that prepared for something like NAM-V for the past 50 years... Also assuming that Insight didn't prepare for something like NAM-V to happen without a back up plan... Still a lot to find out.

lilac island
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there are those disinfection packs we find

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and the stations

dim scroll
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HSUs are a way to slow down nam-V infection

finite vine
dim scroll
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Although patients will be prone to memory losses 😳

finite vine
lilac island
dim scroll
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Who knows why schaeffer isn't affected by it

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Maybe he's been using the HSUs in the complex

lilac island
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natural immunity

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I suspect thats the case with all of the playable chars

finite vine
finite vine
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or treatment in hydrostasis

dim scroll
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Ye

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We don't know how long schaeffer has wandered in the complex right

finite vine
lilac island
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NAM V is almost 100% the noxious shit we get infected with

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theres nothing else it really even could be

finite vine
lilac island
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unless the kraken/floaters are seperate, and its from them

finite vine
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it could be a lot of things

lilac island
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theres really not, no

finite vine
lilac island
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its the only major infectious substance that acts that way that we would encounter

finite vine
lilac island
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no proof of that

finite vine
lilac island
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far more for it being NAM esp cause the facility is partially where it originated

finite vine
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it could be NAM-V, but it would be dumb to assume that infection in game is NAM-V without any question.

craggy hollow
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what alternatives do you propose?

finite vine
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it could be a biological toxin from a large organism or something. mostly because we see spitters thriving within the fog.

craggy hollow
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perhaps but the connotations of the word infected make me wonder why you're not poisoned if that were the case

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interesting thought though

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can you elaborate on the second half of that too? i'm not quite following your logic about spitters in the fog

finite vine
dim scroll
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That's the opposite actually

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Not all levels in fog have spitters

lilac island
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see just judging by whats been going on in this rundown

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what seems to have occured is this

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the spitter/kraken species invaded through the matter wave projector portal things

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and NAM-V is either what infected whatever their original species is

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or they are the originators of it

finite vine
solar nova
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They're probably associated, though.

lilac island
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but who knows, honestly

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this games lore is murky and not all that well developed so far

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have to see what comes

dim scroll
craggy hollow
dim scroll
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I was thinking this tbh

craggy hollow
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but yea, hard to say either way. there's nothing we can observe that would indicate where it's coming from.

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shit it could be the nam-v itself just flying around in the air for all we know at that point

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not trying to discredit anything, it's a valid theory

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and you have a great point that we do not in fact have any clue

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i'd never really stopped to think where it was coming from to begin with tbh so again, good thinking and i like the direction it's headed

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i've been playing this game so long, why the hell have i not been in this channel lmao

dim scroll
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It's comfy

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image perm

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no trolling

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😳

finite vine
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yea im not trying to disprove anything either, just trying to provide some options for what it could be

craggy hollow
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i just don't want you to think i'm discrediting your ideas

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quite the contrary in fact

dim scroll
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man i want more logs about the dog person

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😔

craggy hollow
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the what now?

dim scroll
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the paper skinned guy

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with cyan veins

craggy hollow
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the huh?

dim scroll
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SC3-3BF-03 & SC3-1BG-98

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Look for these logs here

craggy hollow
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sec lemme look

dim scroll
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both are about it

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enjoy the 2nd log

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kinda spooky

lilac island
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whenever we get E levels for this rundown

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if we do, anyways

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those may shed some light

dim scroll
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Actually

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do we know if the logs (both audio & written) were recorded in the levels we find them ?

lilac island
dim scroll
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Like are C2 logs recorded in C2 ?

lilac island
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no idea

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tbh

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its entirely possible

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but why does it matter

dim scroll
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Cuz C2's logs have a discussion between schaeffer and the dawg person

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So i expected to hear it in the tunnels or something

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😔

craggy hollow
dim scroll
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pink ? 😳

craggy hollow
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that would be shaeffer, yea

dim scroll
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Man if i were in schaeffer's place i'd shit my pants

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lmao

craggy hollow
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i'm sure the prisoners pants are comprised of 100% shit at this point

dim scroll
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they wear diapers

finite vine
dim scroll
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100%

harsh saffron
lilac island
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I just wish we could go back to previous rundowns

craggy hollow
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people keep saying that but i bet you don't really

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wouldn't make sense anyways

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they'd have to rewind whole mechanics

lilac island
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thats fine....

finite vine
craggy hollow
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the light level would keep increasing the further back you went

lilac island
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lore/experience, yes

finite vine
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oh ok

craggy hollow
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remember how bright alpha was?

lilac island
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yes

finite vine
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well the only past rundowns that were pretty cool lore wise were r3 and r2 really.

craggy hollow
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completely agreed

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4 was fun from a logistical standpoint

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5 can eat my ass

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i hated it

finite vine
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same lmao

craggy hollow
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almost didn't come back for 6 due to that tbh

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still was a little late

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glad i did though, post-1.0 is so great

finite vine
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I started to get annoyed around r4 and r5, r6 really exceeded my expectations

craggy hollow
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d2/e1 last rundown were just too much for me

lilac island
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they were good, just

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very difficult

craggy hollow
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i'm pretty stubborn about persisting but that was beyond my limits

finite vine
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i never played d2e1

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loved r3d1 though

craggy hollow
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e1 was just a slogfest

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d2 was like, here learn to master kiting right this second or fuck off

finite vine
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yep.

craggy hollow
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kinda glad they nerfed it

finite vine
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yea. I'm really glad stamina was added. makes the game feel so much better

craggy hollow
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though it's understandable they wanted to test the dynamic

harsh saffron
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what kinda of kiting do you mean in r5d2?

craggy hollow
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8 alarms, no ammo

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good luck!

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so you constantly had to kite from one end of the level to the other

harsh saffron
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uh

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uh ok

craggy hollow
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did you miss it?

dim scroll
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what

harsh saffron
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no I just never even thought about kitin gin d2

dim scroll
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R5D2 never had 8 alarms

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you mean R4D2

craggy hollow
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was that the succession one?

harsh saffron
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yep

craggy hollow
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gotcha, my bad

dim scroll
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R4D2 had class 2 , class 3, class 4, class 5 & 3 class 6

craggy hollow
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culminating in the warden door, yea

dim scroll
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There were enough ammos actually

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Though that was kinda close for PE

harsh saffron
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perma foam or place sniper sentry ---> profit

craggy hollow
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enough to start each wave ime, definitely not enough to finish it

dim scroll
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there was

harsh saffron
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both worked pretty well

lilac island
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its fine

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there are some current levels that are almost as bad

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I still find them fun

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for the challenge if nothing else

craggy hollow
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eh, d3pe is the only analogue i can really think of currently

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hasn't been much of an ammo slog this rundown

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not any that felt so hopeless as all that anyways

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but yea i agree, sometimes the desperation can be fun

harsh saffron
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I dont want to sound like a douchebag but I dont think I was ever out of ammo in R4-6, when we lose, we lose because we got overrun and not because we ran out of ammo

craggy hollow
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everyones mileage varies

harsh saffron
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true

craggy hollow
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no point in discounting each others lived experience with it

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that was my universal experience with that one is all

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and definitely what stuck with me in the long run lol

harsh saffron
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understandable

craggy hollow
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i'm sure we all have our little highpoints of traumatic experience with this game

dim scroll
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Yeah

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like tank coming out of shadows in R4E1

harsh saffron
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definitely ^^

craggy hollow
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i will say that checkpoints have made that feeling occur a lot less though

brittle sinew
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is that good or bad?

craggy hollow
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a little of both honestly

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like i am glad we have them now because it hurts less but that dynamic made some things very, very memorable

brittle sinew
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lol fair, this rundown is my first but i could see myself getting burnt out on this game much sooner without checkpoints

dim scroll
craggy hollow
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there would be no heady moments of panic as your hours of work slip down the drain

brittle sinew
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i feel like, in a way, they can afford to make levels more difficult with checkpoints added

craggy hollow
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i think they made up for that a little with how hard d2-3 are

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yea exactly

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the checkpoints enabled even harder sections

dim scroll
brittle sinew
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true

craggy hollow
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i'm not even going to speak on d4. so buggy it's hard to tell if it's even hard or not

dim scroll
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no idea

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but it's annoying af

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although the concept is interesting

brittle sinew
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i havent even beat c1, my friends dont like playing as often/for as long as id like

craggy hollow
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pub it duder

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best game to do so

dim scroll
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don't use mm tho

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for your sanity

brittle sinew
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mm?

craggy hollow
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mm?

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oh durr

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matchmaking

brittle sinew
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i want to pub, but i also feel like im not very good and dont want to drag the team down

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oh duh, id never trust that

craggy hollow
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welcome to the club. we're all bad until we're not.

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||then we still are||

brittle sinew
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lol i guess thats fair

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maybe this weekend ill try it out then

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how difficult is the secondary on b2 (i think its b2)

craggy hollow
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a1-b2 are the tutorial

brittle sinew
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so even the secondary mission on that isnt too bad?

craggy hollow
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nyoop

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granted that's all relative to your experience

brittle sinew
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okay bc we did the main objective but have yet to go back and try the secondary

dim scroll
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If you want an advice

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never use auto sentry

brittle sinew
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thats fair, tbh, it didnt take us too long to get to c1 but c1 is kicking out ass

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why not on auto sentry?

craggy hollow
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nerfed

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sucks now

dim scroll
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Its damage output is shit

brittle sinew
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we usually use 2 sentries

dim scroll
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Its accuracy is shit

brittle sinew
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oh dnag

dim scroll
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therefore it doesn't kill anything

craggy hollow
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auto used to be an owns bones type of tool

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how the mighty have fallen

dim scroll
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as it's supposed be a staggering sentry

brittle sinew
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when was it nerfed? like recently or a while ago?

craggy hollow
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1.0

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just bring an assault rifle instead

brittle sinew
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so none of the sentries are any good?

craggy hollow
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lol what

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no

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burst/sniper are great

dim scroll
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Sniper was nerfed as well but is still good

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burst got a huge buff then got nerfed a bit

brittle sinew
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weird, the burst didnt seem to work well for my friend

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or so he claimed lmao

craggy hollow
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nerfed only insofar as they took out the backstab bonus to them all

brittle sinew
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ill try to convince them to use other sentries, the auto sentries seem to be working well enough for us though. granted that may be because its mostly small sleepers

craggy hollow
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no you really should never use it

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we're not kidding

brittle sinew
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i believe you

craggy hollow
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also leave behind the bio and anyone that says you need it B)

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||this is a joke||

dim scroll
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pre-nerf burst was crazy

craggy hollow
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burst was all i ever used

brittle sinew
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bioscanner is nice to have, i understand it isnt needed, but it does help speed things up uite abit

craggy hollow
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bio is only necessary when there are shadows

dim scroll
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It's mandatory in some levels

brittle sinew
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we run 2 sentries, 1 c foam and bio

craggy hollow
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all level dependent

dim scroll
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no mines ?

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😩

craggy hollow
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i know, i cringed over that too lol

brittle sinew
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we tried that once, didnt know how good it was for the seemingly low amount of them that you get

dim scroll
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They are just way too strong

brittle sinew
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though im sure we werent using them to their full potential

dim scroll
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Actually i've been killed by a mine through a terminal & a cart

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to tell you how stupidly large their range is

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from 100 to 0

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xd

brittle sinew
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oh dang, i didn't realize their range was that large

dim scroll
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A single one of them is enough to yeet an entire blood door

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hybrids aside

brittle sinew
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idk what a blood door or hybrid is yet lol

dim scroll
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didn't you do B2 tho

brittle sinew
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yea?

dim scroll
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then you saw them both

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lol

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Blood doors are the doors with enemies screaming behind it

brittle sinew
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lmao well i didnt know they were clled that then. still a noob

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oooh right

dim scroll
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hybrids are the spiky dudes

craggy hollow
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they're the doors, covered in blood :p

dim scroll
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who shoot like miniguns

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hybrids because they can also attack you with melee

brittle sinew
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oh those are hybrids? we just call them large shooters lmao

craggy hollow
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no those are chickens

brittle sinew
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lol

craggy hollow
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hybrids have the spiky heads

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and poop when they're asleep

dim scroll
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big shooters are different

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they're pure garbage

harsh saffron
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ngl I didnt relaize there was a difference between big shooters and hybrids, I just shot everything in panic when I started playing

brittle sinew
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so spikey head=hybrid not shooter?

dim scroll
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ye

craggy hollow
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chicken

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dim scroll
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was going to post it

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lol

brittle sinew
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oooh different type of spikey, i see

craggy hollow
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hybrid

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dim scroll
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Well

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they are shit

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there could be 20 of them in the same room

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they are much less dangerous than 4 hybrids in a room

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lol

brittle sinew
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lmao well we usually rush shooters bc they cant hit anything close range lol

craggy hollow
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i laugh when new players get scared of chickens and then i beat them around the room by myself

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hybrids would murder you for trying that

brittle sinew
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ive definitely not encountered many hybrids yet then

dim scroll
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They appear in blood doors a lot

craggy hollow
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kind of makes one wonder though, what is a hybrid if not an evolved chicken?

brittle sinew
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a chicken and a big sleeper had a baby?

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best genes of each

craggy hollow
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i've been pretty curious why nam-v chooses different variants to evolve to?

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was it a base difference to begin with or are they still changing?

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mothers/fathers are just the oldest perhaps?

dim scroll
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Same as scouts

craggy hollow
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archer->chicken->hybrid would make sense anyways

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sleeper->???->chungus

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what do you mean about scouts?

dim scroll
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Scouts are female variants

craggy hollow
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of what though?

dim scroll
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It's literally a female shooter with a much bigger head deploying tentacles

craggy hollow
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ah, yea that is indeed true

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still got them wiggly t-rex arms though

dim scroll
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I think tank comes after big charger

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which come after regular charger

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thing is idk what's before charger

craggy hollow
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might be the base

dim scroll
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That would be weird

craggy hollow
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yea i'd very much like to explore the evolution of monster types, this is interesting

dim scroll
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chargers have their lower jaw losing its hardness

craggy hollow
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weird indeed but there's nothing that strikes me as a proto-charger

dim scroll
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They keep their face under that goo

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but sleepers don't

craggy hollow
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also bebbehs are far and few between except when directly birthed so presumably they're becoming sleepers pretty quick

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IE they are indeed growing

brittle sinew
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so i havent seen chargers yet i think? and i definitely havent seen shadows

dim scroll
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Yeah

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there isn't much variety in that rundown

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Like all the chargers are kept in 2 levels

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shadows are in a single level

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lol

craggy hollow
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oooooh d3

brittle sinew
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i dont look forward to either

craggy hollow
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why do you hurt me so

lilac island
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are they just giant charger shooters?

placid beacon
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@lilac island heads are tougher and they like looking like theyre boutta do gymnastics in combat

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weakpoint is behind em, like all things

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but their head is actually chonky to kill

brittle sinew
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do spears work on their head fine?

placid beacon
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if you hit the back

lilac island
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whenever I see them damn things theres too many enemies to tell what they do

placid beacon
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ahh youll figure it out

lilac island
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I just blast with a shotty til they die

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chargers are more noticeable

placid beacon
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@brittle sinew chargers are obvious. if you havent seen them, you havent seen them

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you cant miss them

solemn kraken
placid beacon
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different groaning sounds, different model

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ye

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big shooter is 3 at a time and a bit slower projectiles

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hybrid projectiles are actually deadly during combat if theres a lot of shit goin on

dim scroll
solemn kraken
placid beacon
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imagine if hybrids would headbutt people

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lol

dim scroll
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Not really a charger aspect

placid beacon
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their heads are really spiky

dim scroll
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If they were running at us to melee i'd say yes

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but they don't here

solemn kraken
dim scroll
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That's why they are so annoying

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shoot them & they'll fall like idiots

placid beacon
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theyre falling tactically to confuse us

lilac island
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I wonder if mothers will ever come back

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they were a nightmare to fight

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but looked really cool

placid beacon
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perhaps

craggy hollow
lilac island
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what?

craggy hollow
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they never left

lilac island
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yes they did

dim scroll
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no they didn't

lilac island
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where'd they go

craggy hollow
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uh

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have you not played d2 or something?

lilac island
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I have

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where they at

craggy hollow
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everywhere?

lilac island
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did they just die too fast, or

dim scroll
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first zone to the left

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there is one that instantly trigger

lilac island
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I saw nothing

dim scroll
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C2 as well

craggy hollow
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d4 has them

subtle verge
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C2 has one in main

craggy hollow
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c2 too, yea

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there is literally no way you'd not notice a mother

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just couldn't happen

lilac island
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I beg to differ

subtle verge
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Also, I feel this conversation should be taken to #gtfo-chat . Not really lore related.

lilac island
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yes

craggy hollow
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agreedo

lilac island
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anyways tho

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im curious about this

placid beacon
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speak ur desires

lilac island
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are the sleepers actually converted on some cellular level or, what

subtle verge
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Have you read the biology report, by chance?

lilac island
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no

subtle verge
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One moment, please.

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Written by Dr Grem and Associates.

lilac island
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so

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yes

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kind of

subtle verge
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In layman's terms: it figures out the DNA sequence of the host, and then copies it with it's RNA.

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And reproduces that RNA sequence.

placid beacon
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in short

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thats fucking horrifying

subtle verge
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Very similar to HIV and other things of that degree.

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And true.

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But, you don't have to worry too much! NAM-V does the same and then just murders you.

lilac island
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its the thing, then

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yes

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I kinda figured that it was a sort of knock on reference to that

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with the insane grotesque mutations

subtle verge
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It reminds me a lot of the mutation that turns a person in to a petrified form of themselves.

craggy hollow
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that's a helluva good comparison actually

subtle verge
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I forget the actual medical term for it, but it's like that -- just in reverse.

craggy hollow
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epidermodysplasia verruciformis

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visually so close to our critters so as to make me think the artists took some inspiration there

lilac island
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I dont think it resembles that all tbh

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besides a kind of superficial comparison with them sitting still I suppose

subtle verge
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I more mean the mutation aspect versus the appearance of it.

dull geyser
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Can someone run the lore down for me?

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I haven’t been here since rundown 2

subtle verge
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One moment, please:

subtle verge
craggy hollow
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oh lmao why did i think shaeffer was pink

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big oof

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did you write that @subtle verge ?

subtle verge
craggy hollow
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rad

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good writeup!

dull geyser
subtle verge
subtle verge
dull geyser
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Ok so the parasite called nam-v

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Got out? How?

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Also is there any exit to gargantuan?

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I saw labs in rundown 2

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But I haven’t seen anything else

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Also the parasite carries the virus so the virus can eat bio hazard suits

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Would the tounge attack be trying to do the same thing

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But it never breaks through the suit?

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*mask

lilac island
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thats alotta text all at once

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but yes whatever the parasite alien creatures are appear to be tied very closely with NAM-V

dull geyser
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Maybe it’s a very effective version of hiv

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Because your immune system sucks at fighting off parasites

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But maybe nam-v is a virus that disables the immune system and let’s the parasite flourish

lilac island
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think of cellular conversion

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it converts human cells into, whatever the alien cells are

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thats why we see a bunch of tumor-esque biomass all over the floors and walls inside the facility

dull geyser
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I see

dull geyser
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How did the virus get to the surface

finite vine
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pretty sure the virus mutates the body through somatic mutation, similar to cancer and tumors. It was listed as one of the effects in the truth AM audio log

drowsy furnace
finite vine
drowsy furnace
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I see.

finite vine
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somatic mutation is described as an alteration in DNA, so NAM-V alters the DNA of its host, mutating it

finite vine
dull geyser
finite vine
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NAM-V might of escaped the facility during the explosions of october 13th, 2053, but I would have to cross check that with the dates on the logs describing NAM-V sightings outside of garganta

dull geyser
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Also in the older versions when you could turn on your flashlight when dropping there was nothing

dull geyser
finite vine
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and game design

dull geyser
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Understandable

finite vine
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there are light that flash by, presumably from other levels of the complex

dull geyser
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Another thing

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What is the neural interface about?

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Or I guess cortex interface

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Is it possible that we play as the prisoners while people “pilot” them?

finite vine
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I think the cortex interface is the program that gives us the gui of the rundown when we are asleep

dull geyser
finite vine
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I also think I know what the NRV probe is as well after some research.

dull geyser
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So are we almost always in hydrostasis?

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Then how are our weapons and equipment changed

finite vine
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the NRV probe might stand for Nucleus Reticularis Ventralis Probe. The reticularis ventralis is located in the hindbrain, a small section in the back of the brain at the top of the brain stem, and the hindbrain mainly controls respiratory rhythm, motor activity, sleep, and wakefulness of the body. so the NRV probe is what makes us sleep and is what connects the cortex interface to our brains.

finite vine
drowsy furnace
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Tbh, the nrv stuff feels like a… monitor

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To me

finite vine
finite vine
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would make sense as to why the "cortex interface lost" text appears once we die

dull geyser