It can be both.
#gtfo-lore
wild plank
mystic pilot
it can have both a parasitic relationship with one organism and a symbiotic one?
wild plank
Parasitism is a type of symbiosis.
analog frigate
it still is a parasite
a parasite uses the host to survive
meaning every function is used
wild plank
And the host is harmed, or otherwise negatively affected, in the process
analog frigate
reproduction isn't possible for a parasite without a host, so it uses the host to reproduce
mystic pilot
however, the host is still reproducing, in arguably a more effective manner
analog frigate
why would human reproduction be superior to the sleeper one?
mystic pilot
the sleepers in a manner make more humans than the humans would have left alone
wild plank
Perhaps they have some relation to floaters?
A variation of flying polyp that sticks to walls?
analog frigate
the sleepers in a manner make more humans than the humans would have left alone
well yes that's what they would do
mystic pilot
seeing as they dont view each other as enemies isnt that a given?
the fliers fit in to this ecosystem somehow
analog frigate
Perhaps they have some relation to floaters?
floaters are known to be completely unrelated with any species originally from garganta
they don't
wild plank
floaters are known to be completely unrelated with any species originally from g...
Ah, so flying polyps != sleepers?
severe grove
I'm poking around some of the background lore and have been messing with the Santonian website. Looks like some of the 'corrupted' data may just be a cypher text replacement. Couple of symbol patterns repeat, couple of known letter keys spread in the log to allow decypher.
I'm pretty new and wanted to see if this already been picked up somewhere that I haven't seen yet
analog frigate
they fit in the red alpha ecosystem
wild plank
hmmmmm~
analog frigate
I'm poking around some of the background lore and have been messing with the San...
yes that's a source of logs we use
mystic pilot
then why are they so hostile to humans but not sleepers?
analog frigate
the flyers?
mystic pilot
yes
dim scroll
Probably because they don't see them as humans
analog frigate
they are technically the same species
at least similar enough to not view themselves as enemies
still just the sleeper species
severe grove
yes that's a source of logs we use
I did see that they put previous logs there, I was more asking about deciphering the corrupted logs to have names to help tie pieces together.
wild plank
Y'know, ANOTHER thing I've noticed
mystic pilot
im not really following, why would they even differentiate between sleepers and humans? moreover, why do the sleepers not attack them either?
wild plank
There are some odd-looking sample types in the labs
analog frigate
I did see that they put previous logs there, I was more asking about deciphering...
they've basically all been deciphered
we've had a lot of time to do it
mystic pilot
theres surely some biological reason theyre on the 'same team'
wild plank
Like this specifically, what is this?
analog frigate
theres surely some biological reason theyre on the 'same team'
they are both the sleeper parasite
or originate from it
wild plank
It doesn't appear to fit any of the types we've seen so far.
analog frigate
experimentation
mystic pilot
probably yeah
severe grove
they've basically all been deciphered
OK, I kinda doubted I was the only one to notice. I just hadn't see them shown deciphered anywhere. Thanks for the info
wild plank
And what the hell is THIS thing I found? It looks like some sort of... suit?
analog frigate
OK, I kinda doubted I was the only one to notice. I just hadn't see them shown d...
yeah they don't really fit in the wiki so we have to make a new page about it
at some point i'll edit the wiki lore page and add them
analog frigate
And what the hell is THIS thing I found? It looks like some sort of... suit?
robot
tribal widget
beep boop
analog frigate
those have been mentioned in a couple logs
wild plank
robot
Odd design for a robot. Looks like it's designed to contain something, rather than be a self-sufficient automaton.
dim scroll
Like this specifically, what is this?
a sleeper they captured & experimented on it
Didn't they even take the DNA of a prime mother ?
wild plank
a sleeper they captured & experimented on it
Yes, alright.
dim scroll
in R3 iirc
wild plank
And THIS?
dim scroll
a sleeper in the middle of transformation ig
analog frigate
Odd design for a robot. Looks like it's designed to contain something, rather th...
it's meant to be a self sufficient
mystic pilot
all experimental vials
dim scroll
i think they're in the same fluid as the HSU ones
analog frigate
there are no attachment points for a person
dim scroll
so their transformation is slown down
wild plank
Ah, I see.
analog frigate
i think they're in the same fluid as the HSU ones
amniotic fluid is used for preserving bodies
wild plank
Makes sense.
wild plank
It'd be cool if in a later rundown we had to deal with creatures like that, y'know, experimentals
All kinda wonky n shit
analog frigate
well there are currently 2 unknown sleepers that were mentioned
mystic pilot
i mean, thatd rely on either 1 really big angry experiment sort of deal or not very many
tribal widget
would be funny to abuse the spawn system by letting the ones that cant do anything stay alive
wild plank
yeah, maybe those wouldn't count towards the... y'know, enemy count or whatever
just serving as like, false positives on the biotracker
mystic pilot
enemy counts are jank
analog frigate
they do
it's an odd thing
an enemy is counted as an entity
the entity count is them limited with the enemy count
dim scroll
don't giants take 2 slots ?
analog frigate
no idea
dim scroll
Which is why you never get 20+ giant waves ?
tribal widget
they should take 2 slots
dim scroll
i know tanks can stack up to 5 ( or 9 , i don't remember the value )
dim scroll
k
white moth
dim scroll
what
analog frigate
calle's lunchbox
harsh saffron
its Kovac in most of the logs and Kovak on most in game stuff
harsh saffron
somebody fckd up I would assume ^^
or it was like: "yeah this company is called kovac ok?"
"yeah cool, kovak, got it"
because its both used in fiction and sounds the same ^^
analog frigate
yeah i have the feeling there was a slight communication issue
harsh saffron
they have 2 names for tax evasion purposes 
analog frigate
wild plank
it's kovak not kovac
BUT THE BAT
analog frigate
i think the irs is gonna be at their door soon
analog frigate
BUT THE BAT
dude i have no idea
wild plank
analog frigate
some logs say kovak
others say kovac
@dull crest we need answers
is it kovac or kovak
harsh saffron
Cowak
harsh saffron
oh yeah true 😄
wild plank
that's like the owo speak kovak
Or polish-style spelling
idk I don't speak polish but it looks
polishy
Cówak
analog frigate
khouwhack
subtle verge
uwuk
frail pollen
is it kovac or kovak
yes
wild plank
based doc
frail pollen
glad to help as much as possible
harsh saffron
thx 
wild plank
frail pollen
pkovack
subtle verge
Kanyek?
dull crest
<@!264164771669082112> we need answers
”Ko” is cow in swedish. ”Vac” is short for vacuum packer in restaurant lingo. ”Vak” is a home with open water in a frozen lake. That’s I can say.
Did you guys ever brake that brainfuck code?
subtle verge
Yessir we did. It's the first thing in the pins!
Though someone did come through and "clean it up" a bit. I forget exactly who.
dim scroll
”Ko” is cow in swedish. ”Vac” is short for vacuum packer in restaurant lingo. ”V...
Cow home
Cow home
wild plank
I thought it was because the liquid is, I dunno, caustic to some extent or whatever, but is it really categorized as blunt damage or something?
analog frigate
if you have over a kilogram aka 3 pounds (i think) of water thrown at you all at once
that will hurt
actually now that i think about it it's around 2 litres of water
2kg aka 4.4kbs
subtle verge
It's like taking a lightweight concussion grenade.
wild plank
Double ouchie
shut mountain
le sigh
analog frigate
yeah it's kinda disappointing
the acc even had ambassador so the dude somehow fell for one
subtle verge
Dont click on random links, friends.
subtle verge
Haven't really touched it outside of gathering resources to reference. I've been stupid busy with IRL. New job and such.
wild plank
Hope that's going well at least 👍
subtle verge
Thanks, broski. 🤘
grave ingot
are the four players currently the only prisoners actively doing the warden's tasks?
dim scroll
No
grave ingot
or are there multiple expeditions
dim scroll
R5B4 & R6C3 are proofs that there are several prisoner groups
dim scroll
The same thing as us
wild plank
Their tasks are the opposite of ours
Like, if you have to put in a generator cell, they are tasked with taking it out
It's just one big team building exercise
dim scroll
Retrieving items, restarting a reactor, looking for OSIPs/IDs/GLPs, etc
wild plank
What are the 3 things, bar IDs, you just said
dim scroll
Personnel IDs
analog frigate
i wonder what their tasks are
pretty much the same
analog frigate
or are there multiple expeditions
there are at least around 230 other prisoners
dim scroll
Wasn't it 20K at the very beginning ?
dim scroll
Supposedly the structure similar to the one in R5E1 the warden used to open had that capacity
analog frigate
i'm saying the minimum guarantee
dim scroll
yeah
That shows how tremendously big the complex is
Hope we'll get more info about the company itself
Such as how many people worked in the complex
that could give a rough idea of how large it is
grave ingot
so like are there multiple entrances to the complex?
analog frigate
then a supposed added of around min 1300 with KDS Deep
analog frigate
so like are there multiple entrances to the complex?
only the main shaft
dim scroll
I have a doubt about the main shaft
analog frigate
then we turn to go to other areas
dim scroll
As you often extract from other shafts
analog frigate
I have a doubt about the main shaft
yeah i do as well
dim scroll
R5E1 had fully-modeled seats as well at the end of it
grave ingot
all of this is most interesting
analog frigate
there is a main to take out resources and then secondary for misc purposes
taking out other resources, personnel travel, ect
spark merlin
all i been doing for every level is running for the terminal logs and taking screen shots for the documents and been reading them all and jesus
harsh saffron
100% relatable
dull crest
Yessir we did. It's the first thing in the pins!
Looks like jibberish to me 😉
harsh saffron
Calle spreading Warden propaganda 
spark merlin
remember kids, it's okay if you dont remember your prison sentence, we will remember it for you
harsh saffron
Oh wow, thats so nice 
spark merlin
if your long term memory is fault, just remember, hydrostasis is good for your health, trust in biocom
subtle verge
"Welcome to Garganta. I love you... Welcome to Garganta. I love you..."
spark merlin
We at biocom care for your personal health.
wild plank
s-STAY AWAY FROM ME
spark merlin
We will protecc you from yourself
finite vine
so like are there multiple entrances to the complex?
there are multiple entrances/ shafts that lead to the surface, however, it is currently unknown how many have direct access to the surface, most are probably sealed off.
finite vine
there is a main to take out resources and then secondary for misc purposes
while this is true, I think all of the shafts that the warden uses were actually formed by the power surge/ explosion on october 13th, 2053
I only say that because all of the shafts that we have dropped in look really destroyed & they have the metal spikes protruding upwards, like something dug up instead of down.
wild plank
yeah, yeah
dim scroll
I only say that because all of the shafts that we have dropped in look really de...
The thing is it's not large enough for it to be nemesis
harsh saffron
The energy surge created multiple blast tunnels to the surface. These tunnels are dangerous and unpredictable, so we will be sealing them off while inspections and repairs are conducted. Should you find a shaft that has not been surveyed, make sure you inform a Project Insight coordinator so the area can be secured and sealed off.
We gotta find a Project Insight Coordinator fast, we found quite a few shafts
dim scroll
Why would the energy surge do perfectly upward blasts
finite vine
The thing is it's not large enough for it to be nemesis
Yea I dont think nemesis created the tunnels
dim scroll
Like
finite vine
Why would the energy surge do perfectly upward blasts
well we dont know if some of the surges went into the ground because we haven't been down there yet.
towards center of the earth
finite vine
true
dim scroll
Yet everything we've seen is perfectly vertical
finite vine
well it all depends on the source of the surges and what the surges actually are. so we cant really answer any of those questions.
dim scroll
Yeah
finite vine
we can only go off of what we see
dim scroll
we have to keep going down
finite vine
yep
I mean I dont know of anything that can drill through miles of rock without issue. especially something like an "energy surge"
dim scroll
Well it has to be something extremely energetic
finite vine
yea
In my opinion, It probably has something to do with where they found the Hammerstein artifacts. maybe the scientists found an ancient alien ship and it exploded or something
spark merlin
that moment someone loved hentai a lil too much that they infected the world with tentacle monsters
dim scroll
What happened for mankind to create such degenerates
subtle verge
Confirmed: weebs killed all of humanity.
@tawdry saddle Hey! I saw your post in #wiki-chat and wanted to give some clarification on your question about the terms you asked about.
'The Stoops' is more than likely a reference to what NAM-V does to someone. For some background: "Stoop" has multiple meanings in the English dictionary, from a small set of stairs, to a bird of prey's descent to catch prey, or it can mean to have a bent-forward posture.
Judging by the context given in the log, 'The Stoops' is just a name for NAM-V; where someone is so sick that they're constantly bent forward in bad posture because they feel awful.
Stoop Throat is related in the idea that maybe they have a very raspy or hoarse voice, or perhaps they have to clear their throat like one would when sick, but perhaps amped up to a much more severe case.
This image can give you an idea of what a 'stoop' in posture is:
As far as translating it to German... I'm not entirely sure how I would directly translate it as I don't really know the rules of German grammar despite taking a few years of it in school. You could choose to use the name as it is (The Stoops) or you could convert it to 'Die Bücke' if that makes it any easier.
wild plank
As far as translating it to German... I'm not entirely sure how I would directly...
Der Schtupen
wild plank
<@!329385719422255107> Hey! I saw your post in <#766832580652826654> and wanted ...
I thought the posture was related to... y'know...
Given, even when they stand up... well, you see...
they're a bit stooped
wild plank
This image can give you an idea of what a 'stoop' in posture is:
✅ I'm in this photo and I don't like it
analog frigate
virus there are connections, but not complete certainty
it's like a lot of proof but nothing definitive enough
subtle verge
I thought the posture was related to... y'know...
I mean, I guarantee if any of us were that sick, we'd look just like that lmao.
Outside of just normal every-day posture, ofc.
Which, posture check.
agile plinth
Outside of just normal every-day posture, ofc.
well it depends on what you do in daily life
subtle verge
well it depends on what you do in daily life
Cave man ugh
harsh saffron
Cave man ugh
The subject's physiological changes do seem to be permanent. The ossification of the fibrous cartilage in both the spine and menisci appears to start at the brain stem and spreads rapidly, possibly due to the greater intercellular space offered. Attempts to slow the spread have so far been unsuccessful.
Affected subjects show*** signs of cognitive reduction within a few days, which accompanies the bent or stooped posture***. They are able to continue menial work for several weeks, before succumbing to the pain and physical disability.
I think you nailed it with cave man actually 😄
placid beacon
Does mister tall and nasty have a name at the end of D1?
harsh saffron
Manfred
analog frigate
the kraken
placid beacon
manfred sounds like a nice name lmao
analog frigate
yeah well he's polite
lilac island
Does mister tall and nasty have a name at the end of D1?
Nemesis
ember goblet
10/08/2053 - Temperatures in the lower floors go through the roof earlier than expected, cooling systems are running at full speed 10/11/2053 - Temperatures in the main server room reach critical levels, all data is redirected to external backup servers and the connection to 'Garganta breaks down completely 10/11/2053 - The facility's biotracker system detects unknown biomass on several dozen levels 13.10.2053 - Explosion in the lowest level causing the melted "tunnels" to the Earth's surface
robust apex
A bit more than that happens on 13/10/2053; we get new shafts to the surface
ember goblet
jo i have forgotten ^^
robust apex
It's also the "we broke through a barrier" day
wild plank
Cave man ugh
ooga booga
wild plank
Which, posture check.
<=======|=======>
ember goblet
Is there any indication of a date when the takeover of BioCom by "warden" happened?
analog frigate
nope
there are no signs of when
but it is somewhere around when that kso went into a closet to stand there and do nothing for 6 minutes
let me find the date for that one
alright i'm not finding it
@subtle verge you got that one?
harsh saffron
analog frigate
ah ty duck
analog frigate
Is there any indication of a date when the takeover of BioCom by "warden" happen...
yeah it's around q1 2054
at least that's when it started to affect KSOs
subtle verge
Duck being the GOAT.
subtle verge
That's personally my favorite log. It's got just the right amount of humor to it.
subtle verge
If it works, it works. 
harsh saffron
true
harsh saffron
could become more complicated when we divide the logs into different sections tho, but obviously way better overall
analog frigate
thankfully you can just search some part of a sentence and it checks the actual articles
analog frigate
of course not
wild plank
What do you do then
mystic pilot
huff it
wild plank
of course not
just had to ask
I was thinking
mystic pilot
insert directly into gasmask
mystic pilot
gotta disinfect my lungs
wild plank
Of course
mystic pilot
disinfectant fog when
wild plank
clean yourself
the sound it makes sounds like someone drinking from a juice pack though, you can't deny that
honest merlin
I was wondering if someone could answer my question(s)
Just post the questions to be answered and someone will get back to you when they are available, no need to wait asking until someone says "yes".
Basically this: https://nohello.net/
subtle veldt
Can someone confirm that NAM-V created sleepers?
analog frigate
nope
currently we can only theorise
but nothing is for sure about it
there are a lot of connections but no definitive proof
subtle veldt
agreed
analog frigate
any other questions?
subtle veldt
were they an alien race that were infected by NAM-V and our exploration teams brought it home?
And are sleeper tounges parasitic worms?
analog frigate
that's all?
subtle veldt
yes.
analog frigate
alright so
floaters are a species that came from red alpha but it is unknown if they were the original species there and then became sleepers due to the sleeper parasite, or that they are the true sleeper species
red alpha's location is unknown and there are some theories that we bend spacetime to reach another part of our universe aka red alpha exists in our universe, or that it is another dimension we teleport to utilising quantum entanglement
the matter wave projector uses the teleporting crystals to somehow harness that property and control it as to teleport to a certain location at will or at least using the teleportation room which is still practically at will
depends, the ones we find in garganta prior to leaving the teleportation door open for flyers (floaters) to come in are humans mutated by a parasite
the tongues are their intestines
subtle veldt
OK
thank you
last thing
Did kovac hold a defensive perimeter because they lost the lower levels of the gargantua to the NAM-V virus as not to alert world goverments to their black ops and NAM-V?
subtle veldt
AH
analog frigate
the Chicxulub one
subtle veldt
OR did NAM-V?
analog frigate
both
subtle veldt
Becuase sleepers have human ears
subtle veldt
So, techincally, we have confirmed NAM-V as the source?
subtle veldt
yes yes
analog frigate
we need something like log proof
subtle veldt
yes
analog frigate
i have lots of reasons to believe NAM-V caused sleepers but i feel it's not enough
subtle veldt
I think the warden is a counter intel A.I.
subtle veldt
continuing it's assigned mission by kovac to figure things out?
worthy flower
Who was the robot sounding dude?
analog frigate
it's a military DI
made to handle the KSOs
analog frigate
Who was the robot sounding dude?
the one that asked if schaeffer is a dog or cat person?
worthy flower
Yes
analog frigate
KSO?
Kovac/Kovak Special Operative
although it's sometimes Kovac/Kovak Security Operative
subtle veldt
which are prisoners?
analog frigate
in current times yes
subtle veldt
ok
analog frigate
it's a sleeper variant that is currently unknown
most likely came from the burnt gustavo bodies
subtle veldt
so it IS continuing it's assigned mission to find a way to stop THEM
analog frigate
it's the BIOCOM under the WRDN protocol
it's goals are unknown
analog frigate
Sleeper variant UNKNOWN?
yes, there are currently 2 unknown
mentioned but never seen
subtle veldt
how so?
analog frigate
the talking schaeffer creature and the odd shadow one
analog frigate
yes
analog frigate
we don't know if he did or not
his status is unknown
he could be dead, he could be alive
subtle veldt
OR it's mimicking him?
subtle veldt
As WeebNeet said on the focused lore discord
NAM-V
Neuron-Altering-Mutative-Virus
???
analog frigate
me and punkthulhy have theorised, it's the bodies gustavo wanted burned judging from the description
subtle veldt
right
analog frigate
Neuron-Altering-Mutative-Virus
not sure about that one
subtle veldt
maybe people close to or working under schaeffer
got caught
and they somehow remember?
subtle veldt
Ah
analog frigate
it's just repeating past dialogue as far as we know
subtle veldt
I see
analog frigate
but can't really judge due to not seeing its intelligence capabilities
subtle veldt
Can you shoot some more theories related to sleepers / NAM-V so we can discuss?
subtle veldt
yes
Oh
heres one
well, it backs up my floater=extraterrestrials theory
The crystals
analog frigate
go ahead
subtle veldt
On their planet/dimension?
They must have created the matter wave projector if they were advanced
Because the data cubes have heavily encrypted data and language?
analog frigate
we don't know anything about the matter wave projector in terms of origins
or the data cubes
subtle veldt
yes
analog frigate
and the sleepers currently don't exhibit any signs of the required intelligence to make them
so currently it's not possible to figure out
analog frigate
not sure about that
subtle veldt
yeah
oh
back to NAM-V
see below:
RECORDING USE-ASR-013 START
THIS IS A NATIONWIDE BROADCAST OF THE EMERGENCY ALERT SYSTEM. THIS IS NOT A TEST.
IN RESPONSE TO THE SPREAD OF THE NAM-V VIRUS, A 24 HOUR NATIONAL CURFEW IS NOW IN EFFECT. ALL CITIZENS ARE TO REMAIN INDOORS UNTIL FURTHER ADVISED BY FEDERAL AUTHORITIES. ANY CITIZENS FOUND BREAKING THE CURFEW WILL BE DETAINED AND HELD IN ISOLATION AT A SECURE GOVERNMENT LOCATION UNTIL THE CURFEW HAS BEEN LIFTED.
IF A MEMBER OF YOUR HOUSEHOLD DISPLAYS ANY SYMPTOMS OF THE NAM-V VIRUS, ISOLATE THE PERSON IMMEDIATELY, AND CALL THE VIRAL RESPONSE SERVICE BY DIALING 211 FROM ANY TELEPHONE.
SYMPTOMS INCLUDE:
- HAEMOPTYSIS
- MUSCULAR SPASMS
- FROTHING AT THE MOUTH
- VIOLENT BEHAVIOUR
- EXTREME LETHARGY OR DROWSINESS
- DEPRESSION
- AND VOMITING
ANYONE EXPOSED TO A CONFIRMED NAM-V CASE SHOULD REMAIN IN ISOLATION UNTIL THE VIRAL RESPONSE SERVICE HAS BEEN NOTIFIED.
symptoms
analog frigate
yes that's after it became a pandemic
subtle veldt
all displayed by sleepers
analog frigate
not really
analog frigate
well sleeper mood is unknown
analog frigate
muscular spasms
they don't really have spasms
subtle veldt
when they wake
analog frigate
violent behaviour
any creature that is attacked or its territory is intruded upon would be aggressive
subtle veldt
Symptoms of depression would include but are not limited to
:
ANger
Uncaringness unless provoked
analog frigate
the sleepers' mental capabilities are low to non-existent
analog frigate
the sleepers' mental capabilities are low to non-existent
they are left to their natural instincts, mood not being one of them
subtle veldt
Well, If they can mimick people
subtle veldt
I think maybe they have a shattered conciousness?
analog frigate
and it's a completely special genetic mutation
analog frigate
I think maybe they have a shattered conciousness?
can't say for sure but probably not
subtle veldt
and all that's left is sadness and anger?
analog frigate
most likely not
subtle veldt
so very exciting
yes
also
the frothing at the mouth perhaps related to excretion of bodily cell and brain fluid as their skulls split
analog frigate
eh that's not really how frothing works
subtle veldt
ik
analog frigate
also there isn't any proof that's how bodily fluids exit the body
or if they even do
finite vine
frothing is probably from us smashing the sleepers lungs or throat
analog frigate
don't mind his sarcasm
analog frigate
what
finite vine
wait whose sarcasm
finite vine
oh my bad I was talking about the sleepers, I think u guys were talking about NAM-V symptoms
finite vine
alright, makes sense.
subtle veldt
thanks muchly
also
The "teeth" are maybe from the skull splintering and elongating into shards
analog frigate
it's keratin
analog frigate
it's talked about in the doc
subtle veldt
You get it now?
finite vine
well I mean it might not be keratin... It might be bone.
analog frigate
yeah
finite vine
Its kinda too hard to tell
subtle veldt
It's stated in the enatomy
analog frigate
well I mean it might not be keratin... It might be bone.
it's see-through in the model
dr. grem didn't write about thta
finite vine
It's stated in the enatomy
yea I know but the evidence is kind of far fetched.
subtle veldt
yes
finite vine
it's see-through in the model
really?
finite vine
It looks like bone
analog frigate
most likely only keratin structures
subtle veldt
Faster and easier
analog frigate
a bit far fetched
subtle veldt
More diverse in application
analog frigate
it's genetically very unlikely
subtle veldt
good morning day or night
analog frigate
good night to you as well
i believe someone else who's name starts with an m was typing
robust apex
Can you shoot some more theories related to sleepers / NAM-V so we can discuss?
The argument against NAMV being directly responsible for the sleepers is that none of the NAMV logs attest to sleepers outside of garganta
analog frigate
The argument against NAMV being directly responsible for the sleepers is that no...
although they specifically mention that the long term effects are unknown
could be a change that occurs after a long time
robust apex
They do, but we have logs over the space of three years from the surface with nothing about sleepers while we get our first sleeper log from garganta in 2053
analog frigate
that doesn't really matter
what matters is the global spread of NAM-V
from when was the log that NAM-V became a pandemic
robust apex
There are a few logs throughout 2053 and 2054 about it
analog frigate
outbreak in england, march 14th 2053
november 14th the same year, WHO guidelines should be followed, email by lockwood
robust apex
The 18th march one mentioning that the virus recurs is probably one of the most interesting; we've got people who've made it all the way through the virus by that stage
None of the "State of Truth" logs discuss sleepers either
analog frigate
well we don't know if the people hosting state of truth are alive at any point in 2053 iirc
robust apex
They have to be in either very late 2052 (like between christmas and new year late) or early 2053
Either way, the first "creature" (the mystery shadow) is encountered in January 2053 and is dimissed, the first discussion of "creatures" is in September, and the first of "sleepers" is in October of 2053
daring spire
R5 had LOCS-43W-MOA-D.LOG which mentions NAM-V and parasites as separate things
I have our entire cellular biology department working on this, but so far little progress has been made. Even after the parasite is removed, the viral load increases. We cannot stop the progress of the virus, and our only defense is SCBA Level A suits when in NAM-V hotspots. Even with this level of protection, the parasites are finding ways in.
Parasite infection leads to Sleeper + NAM-V infection?
NAM-V can spread without the parasite?
analog frigate
NAM-V can spread without the parasite yes
through infected persons
and logically surfaces
robust apex
I was looking for that one; there's also the discussion of "sunlight treatment" and the general question as to why it's always dark on the surface
subtle verge
The sunlight treatment in question is basically a 20-minute vacation to the surface to get sunshine since the miners and workers are subjected to nothing but artificial light and hundreds of meters of darkness and claustrophobia; more for mental health benefit than anything else.
analog frigate
yeah i think it's not really related to NAM-V but sent to the surface as to not go insane from being underground so much
robust apex
Pure speculation; sunlight limits the spread of the sleeper parasite (given we know that sleepers are light sensitive), and the reason it's always dark on the surface when dropping is due to post-humanity terraforming.
harsh saffron
I rly like this theory
honest merlin
My theory - sleepers are born when a person is infected with NAM-V by one of the parasites from the meteor. People who are infected by NAM-V without getting the parasite do not become sleepers. This would explain why sleepers haven't been reported anywhere outside Garganta, and it would also explain why it seems that the sleepers came from the meteor. The parasites did, then infected the workers and other personnel down there and turned them into sleepers (with possibly some help from Dauda and whoever else he was working with)
subtle veldt
Yes, also @analog frigate, it stated in "The Nature Of Sleepers" that the "tongue" is in fact, The worm
It also mentions that they are directly fused into the digestive system...
weak forum
So, not sure if I'm reading it correctly but the R6D3 log "E2Q-CC62-PRK" seems to infer that Bishop was a part of the team that was initially teleported via the Matter Wave Projector.
If this is the case, the how did Bishop get returned afterwards?
E2Q-CC62-PRK (Found in R6D3)
D-Lock Block Cipher
alias:int_server.1024_ciph.tier5.med_core/RStokesB162.flagged
Dr. Stokes,
Here’s the second message. I’m sorry :/Nolan Connor
This is Dr. James Durant. This may be my last entry from EF01. Only myself, Alice and all of the security officers are still alive; and I’m fairly sure that our survival is not their primary objective. They are protecting the data first, then us. Bishop keeps moving us but the creatures always find us. Even in the pitch black they can locate us with ease. They took Peterson yesterday while we were resting in a cave. They must have been watching us all along. We had the entrance guarded and a rock wall to our backs but they still just… [breathing] plucked him out the middle of us. It’s possible that they’re using hunting strategies or at least they work together to… to… [clears throat]. We are going to die here. That much is clear. We’ve lost the Quantum Tether to Garganta, and despite scanning the entire frequency range, there’s no signal. Control must be searching for us from their end but well heh… We don’t fully understand the Matter Wave Projector; damn fools. I have pleaded with Bishop to return to the landing zone because maybe there the original tether frequency will still work; he refuses. He just repeats his objective: Explore and cover as much ground as possible and wait until Control instantiates a Matter Wave for our return. Clearly, that’s not gonna happen but you can’t talk to him. You can’t talk to any of them. They’re robots.
solar nova
So, not sure if I'm reading it correctly but the R6D3 log "E2Q-CC62-PRK" seems t...
We don't know, but Bishop is mentioned in at least two of Stokes's audio bits.
So, we can infer that the audio in B1 and C1 is talking about this particular set of events.
weak forum
So, we can infer that the audio in B1 and C1 is talking about this particular se...
Yeah, there also seems room to believe that perhaps Woods, Dauda, or Hackett may have also been present.
"Clearly, that’s not gonna happen but you can’t talk to him. You can’t talk to any of them. They’re robots."
I mean that may be a complete leap of logic, because who knows if the teams structure consisted of the same four members as the current team does.
solar nova
Yeah, there also seems room to believe that perhaps Woods, Dauda, or Hackett may...
Bishop is the only one to return, though, iirc, I don't believe there's mention of anyone else coming back with him.
weak forum
Bishop is the only one to return, though, iirc, I don't believe there's mention ...
As I said it may have been a leap of logic. I'm not sure what the other log that references Bishop is. XD
solar nova
As I said it may have been a leap of logic. I'm not sure what the other log that...
It's one of the C1 logs from Dr. Stokes.
Should all be on wiki.
weak forum
It's one of the C1 logs from Dr. Stokes.
Yeah, I found it Its the #4 audio log from Dr. Stokes.
Every time I read a log, it brings up more questions than I started with. XD
outer garden
analog frigate
well most of them have dead KSOs
i don't think they they do (responding to deleted message)
was the image sent breaking some nda?
rocky shuttle
It would only break NDA if they were a bug hunter and they signed an NDA.
Datamined material maybe? Dunno
rocky shuttle
Same
graceful lotus
I'm gonna break the geneva convention
wild plank
I'm gonna break the geneva convention
Over his head, hopefully.
graceful lotus
oh it'll be over his head alright
subtle verge
pure panther
Oh boi that's haunting
feral loom
I've been reading the logs and I was wondering if its known if garganta was being constructed before the big earthquake in I think 2049, and are Chicxulub and Merida are different places/complexes?
analog frigate
the chicxulub part is on the surface
merida is the city in which a sinkhole happened and the mine was subsequently built
garganta was designed after the sinkhole
feral loom
ok thats what i thought based on the log about privitizing the sinkhole, thanks
high flicker
you
yo
i've seen this trading card
but
which monster is this
feel free to @ me
hot burrow
Charger
hot burrow
ya. without the the stuff on it
lilac island
so ok
lemme get this straight
the characters are people who got into the "Legion" program, got their memories wiped
and are sent into the complex to fight some infection that has been around since ancient times
graceful lotus
yup
well about since ancient times not sure
but we do know it broke out recently
lilac island
The mayans dealt with these assholes though
subtle verge
Not necessarily.
If you're referencing the "flea demons" log, there's no real-world use of that term that I could find, but in the context of the log, I see it as a means of calling a disease that gives rashes/boils/disfiguration a 'flea demon.'
Smallpox, measles, etc. that the Spanish Conquistadors brought, or the natural diseases that arise due to flooding or other natural disaster.
elder needle
Swore to god I heard the name Bishop during B1, specifically the audio that plays right before you put in the Matterwave Projector into the teleporter (whatever it is). Coming here to confirm I didn’t mishear.
subtle verge
I believe all of the audio logs are transcribed on the Wiki!
I cant remember off of the top of my head. Have like 15 other logs and 3 tinfoil hat theories running around in the smooth & hollow shell that is my brain.
harsh saffron
Swore to god I heard the name Bishop during B1, specifically the audio that play...
Yup, Bishop is one of the security operatives that are sent through the jump gate
real pewter
he seems robotic or something like that
harsh saffron
Yeah I'm assuming everybody under the (mind)control of Biocom/Wrdn would seems robotic, at least they are treated like robots
robust apex
Yeah I'm assuming everybody under the (*mind*)control of Biocom/Wrdn would seems...
To an outside observer would not the players of this game in the rundowns appear robotic; we just do the objectives that the warden lists for us
robust apex
Can someone confirm if the new sledgehammer, the "Santonian HDH" stands for "Head Denting Hammer"
harsh saffron
Thats obviously a perfect name, yes
solar nova
Only a machine would foam a door with exactly 9 balls and then never let it break by replacing one ball at a time.
WRDN is kind of chill since it seems like it restores some of our individuality, something Schaffer comments on.
knotty harness
There's a log where Bishop 'comes back' and Stokes is desperate to interview him
But someone from Insight comes and takes him away
I believe it is in D1 or C1 audio
solar nova
C1
robust apex
instead of going back to the coordinate, bishop do objective instead
A scan is just a set of coordinates
real pewter
ye, but like i said, instead of trying to do anything that can help getting back, bishop would just "Focus on the Objective"
if bishop already got taken control by the warden then it would make sense tho
"do or die"
subtle verge
The "robot-like KSOs" is interesting in its own light. I have stated it here previously: I have a head-canon that Project Legion is an operation/experiment to create the perfect soldier; follows all direct orders, no second thoughts or questions why, just does it.
Using the memory-wiping function of the HSUs to potentially erase personality, thoughts of individuality and defiance, any information that could be interrogated, maybe even PTSD; a blank slate to mould, if you will.
analog frigate
Using the memory-wiping function of the HSUs to potentially erase personality, t...
but are we sure that it is caused on purpose?
subtle verge
I dont think it's on purpose, but an "exploit" of the side effects. The memory wipe was discovered before Garganta was built.
subtle verge
It was discovered before the mission; it was defunded and ridiculed by scientists and the public for that reason.
Theres a log about it.
analog frigate
ah i see
subtle verge
85NP1.LOG; Mambo News (2041) talks about the discovery of neural degeneration.
solar nova
We still don't know anything about the RISE project.
Neonate, possibly?
That one delivery log that seemed completely fucking worthless included neonates and seems to have been what the Rise project logs were talking about.
Rise or RISE?
Would also explain why we retrieved "pMother trial samples," a neonate- did a bunch of hype shit for two rundowns basically, and then it was completely dropped as a plot thread.
Set-up for later shit?
subtle verge
That'd be my best guess. Rise Project only got the one email chain back and forth. I hope we get to learn more about both.
subtle verge
4D Chess, baby. 🖥️ ♟️
solar nova
But at what point does he send his queen back 5 turns to checkmate the sleepers in 8 parallel universes simultaneously?
subtle verge
lilac island
So
If the monsters arent zombies, like infected people from the complex
what the fuck are they?
solar nova
Seems like they're some sort of replica of humans, probably an imitation of their prey to be better suited for Earth's environment.
We don't really know, though.
honest merlin
I feel like the Rise project might be a failsafe mechanism in case of a catastrophic NAM-V outbreak, which eventually happened. WRDN is also very likely part of this Rise project.
Or it could be something completely else, like finding life-sustainable planets with science mumbo jumbo
subtle verge
We dont know what the Sleepers are, per se, but we do have pretty in depth theories on what they could be: aliens, infected humans from the parasites, and a few other tinfoil hat theories.
solar nova
I think it's probably something about neonates, and the "pMother trial samples," but seems like it's something they're going to hold back on for now.
lilac island
Simon did say they arent aliens or zombies
solar nova
I'm still calling it, Brazil is just an alternate version of Earth, but we haven't realized it yet.
Technically not aliens.
subtle verge
Not in the traditional sense of aliens, but more along the lines of an alien species; something that didnt naturally begin on earth.
subtle verge
I'm still calling it, Brazil is just an alternate version of Earth, but we haven...
LMFAO.
Why Brazil in particular?
subtle verge
Lmfao
lilac island
id love to know why the warden needs DNA samples out of the HSU things
solar nova
id love to know why the warden needs DNA samples out of the HSU things
Security access.
lilac island
how does that work? what for and why does it need DNA samples to acces it?
solar nova
Pretty much all objectives can be boiled down to:
Security access
Power collection and distribution
Data collection and scouting
Resource collection
Climate control maintenance
Diverting or clearing biomass
Progress on long-term goals (collecting pMother trial samples, collecting and connecting the neonate HSU, activating KDS Deep, etc.)
solar nova
how does that work? what for and why does it need DNA samples to acces it?
Presumably for security doors. Bioscans are definitely not supposed to just let us through, and alarms w/ their fucky scans are clearly a lot of string pulling by the WRDN.
rocky shuttle
Ooh and dont forget abt the best objective. Being used as a distraction for a parallel expedition in progress.
wild plank
Can someone confirm if the new sledgehammer, the "Santonian HDH" stands for "Hea...
yes
dim scroll
Is there a list of all the commands prisoners had to input in (optional) objectives please ?
harsh saffron
Is there a list of all the commands prisoners had to input in (optional) objecti...
doesnt have the "Deactivate_Alarms" or the command for removing fog tho
dim scroll
all good, thx
rocky shuttle
Meh, those aren’t objective based commands tho
dim scroll
Most of them are
vale lava
**Quick Question Y/N
**Is there an audio lore on D1?
harsh saffron
it just plays after the boss fight when you get warped back
vale lava
@analog frigate @harsh saffron Thanks folks. I found it.. (I recorded that game session, so I am extracting audio to create Audio lore about it)
I will tell the Warden good things about you two.. for next prisoners quality review
bold escarp
why is ARCHIVE006 empty on santonianindustries.com
harsh saffron
they dont put logs from the current rundown there until the last few weeks
bold escarp
analog frigate
don't worry, duck has put all the r6 logs on the wiki :)
bold escarp
can I have the link for the wiki
analog frigate
analog frigate
ah no that's a bit difficult to maintain
limber portal
Off topic question. What were they mining for exactly? (I think santonian right)?
Was it that weird metal?
Or was it a cover up for some of that bio research
dim scroll
Iridium is mentioned quite often
analog frigate
Was it that weird metal?
it was for iridium since prices skyrocketed
limber portal
Yeah that’s it
limber portal
And in 2053 there was all of the sudden an outbreak? Or did they know of the threat beforehand?
analog frigate
somewhat yes somewhat no
limber portal
Oh??
dim scroll
The outbreak occured, they tried to fight against the whole thing
hence the lockdown measures
limber portal
Makes sense
dim scroll
Ended up failing
limber portal
Also makes sense
dim scroll
& biocom got the WRDN code & started going coocoo crazy
limber portal
Figures
dim scroll
I wish there were more audios like officers asking for reinforcement
As everything we've been getting as of audio logs are either before or after the outbreak
Heck
even video logs would be amazing
limber portal
Yeah agreed
harsh saffron
Don't give me hope
limber portal
It’s a little fuzzy at certain times regarding info on that
dim scroll
They definitely had the tech to make holograms (since most of our weapon sights are holograms)
Could've been nice to see such things as well
dim scroll
Well we do have IRL Holographic sights already
limber portal
I’m dumb sorry 
dim scroll
😳
limber portal
Totally forgot that holographic sights exist 
But there’s still one thing that confuses me
Remember in like level A1 or something when you pick up they uh weird crystal in a jar (I forgot what it’s called, sry) where does it teleport you? Because it looks alien
analog frigate
red alpha
limber portal
Any theories on where exactly that is?
dim scroll
Nothing confirmed but there are some theories
limber portal
Different planet I’m assuming?
dim scroll
Like earth from the future, another planet within this dimension or another planet in another dimension
limber portal
Ohhh yeah
dim scroll
The planet has a star & water
harsh saffron
and a moon
dim scroll
that as well
limber portal
So good for life then
harsh saffron
blue star that shines at night, I figured it out ^^
limber portal
So they originated from the planet supposedly?
limber portal
And with the asteroid ohhh
OHHH
This makes sense now
The asteroid must’ve had something from their planet on it
dim scroll
We also know that what's within the matter wave projector (cetosium ? cetasium ? i forgor 💀 ) is what helps in teleportation
limber portal
Alien as well then
dim scroll
Floaters have crystals of that ore on their back
hence the reason why they can teleport
limber portal
Fuckin floaters
harsh saffron
Floaters have crystals of that ore on their back
damn I missed that
dim scroll
It's easily noticeable on D4
as they're so close to the ground you can approach them
actually some of them can even spawn into the ground
harsh saffron
Im gonna check them out then, thats super cool
limber portal
Also I think that the warden works for santonian? Am I correct on that assumption
Or rather he worked for santonian
dim scroll
Warden is heavily implied to be BIOCOM
BIOCOM who's an AI that did in fact helped in the complex
For some reason BIOCOM has been injected a code named WRDN
Afterwards it went rogue & started doing things by itself
One of them was to release KDS officers (as seen in R5E1) to get more pawns to use ig
More officers = more prisoners = more things to do
😳
dim scroll
No idea
However since it's an AI, it doesn't give a shit about saving people
Its objective may simply be "guarding the complex"
or "killing the enemies"
By enemy, that seems to include schaeffer as well since we're looking for him in R4's last levels
i think R4D2's main objective was in fact to look for him (although it just said to move to the extraction zone to the other side of the level)?
analog frigate
However since it's an AI, it doesn't give a shit about saving people
not necessarily true
some AIs work differently
dim scroll
Well
analog frigate
since it's a DI it just does what it wants to complete the objective
dim scroll
if you tell the AI "save living beings labelled as human beings", ofc it will try to save them
wdym DI
limber portal
Well it can’t do anything without the prisoners so it’s probably told to care
dim scroll
No
limber portal
Oh?
limber portal
Oh of course
dim scroll
That's why it doesn't care about having our group serve as a decoy for other groups
limber portal
Welllllll
dim scroll
Extremely hard missions if you think of the prisoners' point of views
But never impossible
limber portal
Loool nice choice
Fr though fuck those things
Used like 20 shotgun shells on the bastard
And that’s why I use the Konig
subtle verge
Any theories on where exactly that is?
Daraxus, a few others, and myself had a conversation a couple of weeks back about this. We dont think it's in another dimension, however it's a possibility and we're open to that. We think it's a jump from one place to another using the quantum tether that's referenced in-game -- in very basic layman's terms: bending time and space to get from Point A to Point B quickly.
Whether or not we share a galaxy or even universe, we dont know.
limber portal
thats crazy, thanks for the info
subtle verge
stuck zephyr
solar nova
Chances are, Insight doesn't even know where it goes to.
analog frigate
Chances are, Insight doesn't even know where it goes to.
what goes to where
solar nova
what goes to where
Matter wave projector and data cubes and exactly.
analog frigate
the matter wave projector is used to harness the teleportation properties and then teleport to a certain location
while the data cubes we only know that stokes speculated about their nature
insight could know more but we know only about stokes
hoary delta
Is there anything that explains what happens during each rundown? IE what each mission was and any lore about it?
analog frigate
Is there anything that explains what happens during each rundown? IE what each m...
some do some don't
for example there are some that are mostly generic
not that much of a purpose
while something like R5E1 is very lore related
also all the 1 expeditions this rundown
dim scroll
R3's whole purpose was to carry the neonate here and then
neonate that you find in R2E1
hoary delta
Okay and do we know what carrying the neonate around accomplished?
dim scroll
We know the neonate contained a baby
analog frigate
do we?
dim scroll
As to why all this shit happened, no idea
I'm pretty sure the whole purpose of the neonate was to contain a baby
or a fetus
analog frigate
ah yeah echo's specialty
also yeah we don't know anything about what happened to the neonate
hoary delta
Gotcha
Is this the first rundown where we’ve been to Alpha 1 and 2? (The desert place)
solemn kraken
sour axle
Are the players just different groups of prisoners injected with specific personalities? Like bishop dauda etc?
dim scroll
If cloning is confirmed : several groups of the same prisoners
If cloning isn't : everyone is basically playing the same 4 prisoners
Assuming they never fail their missions
finite vine
Okay and do we know what carrying the neonate around accomplished?
my theory with the neonate is that we imprinted new survival instincts/ genetic behavior into the DNA of the neonate at an attempt to help future human generation survive NAM-V/ sleepers. Recall: NAM-V causes somatic mutation, which mutates a humans cells very rapidly, because a mutated cell will divide into more mutated cells. So my theory with the neonate is that we imprinted new genes or survival instincts into the neonate and hooked it up to a Neural frame so scientists can run tests on it/ see if the imprinting will help increase future generations survivability from NAM-V (or something else).
there is not really a whole lot of information about the neonate though, so it is really just speculation.
stone sedge
Is there a record anywhere of what happens when the command "resist" was entered in rundown 5? I've not found any record of it.
finite vine
Is there a record anywhere of what happens when the command "resist" was entered...
resist was a password to a terminal in r5c3. there was an audio log by Schaeffer in the terminal.
stone sedge
great, I see. do you know which log it was? HOPO-BCD-002-L.LOG?
I've read through the wiki and the tagboard for everything and made plenty of inferences, but it's clear both sources are missing a lot of context.
finite vine
great, I see. do you know which log it was? HOPO-BCD-002-L.LOG?
im not sure. maybe youtube might have it somewhere?
stone sedge
hm, can't be that one above, that's text. I'll look around.
if we still had access to the old rundowns...urgh, this is frustrating, it's payday all over again
no, that's not fair- this server seems really well-moderated and that's a million meters up from the algol mess.
wild plank
no, that's not fair- this server seems really well-moderated and that's a millio...
algol?
stone sedge
Payday 2 ARG
cold harbor
whats up with the email in r6c2 which contains a list of zones and areas?
The one about NAV DATA
subtle verge
What's the title? NBA-BEW-321
I'm not entirely sure what it is.. perhaps it's locating all of the prisoner's nav data?
agile plinth
Are the players just different groups of prisoners injected with specific person...
cloning is an option but it's somewhat unlikely
the most likely is that they are just people but brainwashed
agile plinth
if we still had access to the old rundowns...urgh, this is frustrating, it's pay...
rayalot recorded it
I'll send the link
stone sedge
thank you!
agile plinth
DTLA-SCH-4PR.LOG
didn't find it on his channel but it's on the wiki
scroll down in r5
or just F3 and search for the name
stone sedge
thank you!
analog frigate
alright so, no need to keep this channel empty
we need to discuss
what exactly do we have that is workable with and not "cannot do because missing information"?
dim scroll
Nothing
wait for extended
Or we could discuss about the terminal commands i asked for a while ago
As some of them mention zones i've never heard of
analog frigate
we have the talking schaeffer creature and it's connection to the burned gustavo bodies
dim scroll
schaeffer creature 🤔
cobalt mulch
mr creepy voice
dim scroll
i don't remember that one
cobalt mulch
cat or dog person audio
analog frigate
the description of it matches with that being a possibility
dim scroll
You mean schaeffer started transforming ?
analog frigate
pale, covered in ash, mention of cyan colour
analog frigate
You mean schaeffer started transforming ?
no, some creature he found
analog frigate
after
dim scroll
why does he say it's his fault ?
analog frigate
not sure but it could be attributed to mania
dim scroll
welp
Anyway that's indeed a weird thing
Considered as a threat by sleepers but suddenly they don't see it anymore
Not to mention it doesn't even try to defend itself
What was the level for this log ?
D4 ?
cobalt mulch
SC3-1BG-98 (Found in R6C2) ++ SC3-3BF-03 (Found in R6C2) ( https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/Rundown_6.0#Logs )
dim scroll
Damn that SC3-1BG-98 sure is disturbing
analog frigate
quite
the thing about it is, it has a lot of correlations to something coming out of the bodies gustavo wanted to be burned
dim scroll
Does it mention how it moves tho
analog frigate
covered in ash, some memory about a fire from schaeffer, the "dead and twisted" (could be referring to the bodies being burned) and then about being his fault which i'm not sure about
lilac island
humans transform into sleepers confirmed
analog frigate
humans transform into sleepers confirmed
long time ago
dim scroll
Like a bipedal or quadrupedal being
dim scroll
Well
analog frigate
also the whole part about sleepers killing it sorta makes sense since it's a new species (still sleeper) that just popped up
and at some point the rest understood it's a part of their species
analog frigate
they can still communicate somehow