gtfo-lore

[raw fossil]

But he is very much maligned with that practice at this point

*misalligned

[analog frigate]

there is a difference between ww1/ww2 and dealing with alien monsters that still kill everyone around you but are even more disturbing

[raw fossil]

Sure, but again, thats no basis to doubt what he says

[analog frigate]

not to say the weird mutated burnt thing that came out of gustavo's burned corpses (check punk's theory)

that can talk

[analog frigate]

true

[subtle verge]

Visual hallucinations, you're right. However some forms, albeit rarer, of PTSD can cause auditory hallucinations.

[raw fossil]

I honestly doubt the science on that one, but then we’re getting into real world debate

[analog frigate]

auditory hallucinations are a thing

rare true

also the triggers vary

[subtle verge]

My dad suffers from it, it's my only real-world evidence I can offer outside of what's available in the public space.

[analog frigate]

sorry to hear that

[subtle verge]

It's all good, he's managed to make it a very minor hiccup in his life after therapy. He tends to make jokes about it, so it's something, I guess? Lmao.

[analog frigate]

i've had some auditory hallucinations before

not ptsd but

[raw fossil]

Are you sure its outright hallucinations? Not just mishearing?

[subtle verge]

Auditory hallucinations, yeah.

[analog frigate]

definitely hallucinations

[raw fossil]

If so then that’s trustworthy enough to me, I retract my doubt.

[analog frigate]

i still remember having that 1 or 2 month period of hearing classical music constantly coming from somewhere

[leaden dagger]

that shit sucks

[subtle verge]

If I remember correctly, my dad's has to do with the tinnitus he received from his military background being mixed with the shit he went through.

Only affects like.. 2-4% of folks, though.

[analog frigate]

still doesn't exclude schaeffer

[subtle verge]

Schaeffer states that he hears and sees things, right?

I don't remember if that's verbatim or if I'm imagining that.

[leaden dagger]

dont we all

lmao

[analog frigate]

iirc yes

the sees things part is confusing

but it could be that everything is dark so he sees things incorrectly

[subtle verge]

I wonder if he's referencing our 'Are you a dog or cat person?' friend in that context.

[leaden dagger]

lack of sleep too

lack of sleep causes hallucinations of both senses

[analog frigate]

i call that one the gustavo burnt body

[analog frigate]

oh yeah that

[leaden dagger]

malnutrition probably could too

any number of imbalances

[analog frigate]

malnutrition doesn't

[leaden dagger]

dehydration, if he has it

[analog frigate]

but lack of sleep does

[leaden dagger]

which, given where he's at, yeah lack of sleep seems likely

also decreases mental stability

[subtle verge]

What I'm curious about, if he's even still alive, is how he's not caught NAM-V despite being in the brooding grounds of it.

[leaden dagger]

mental fog, irritability, etc

[honest merlin]

Funny thought - Garganta is one of the best places to sleep 😉

[subtle verge]

Or, wait... Didn't Dauda say that we're all infected?

[analog frigate]

yeah that's an odd part

[honest merlin]

Yeah

[analog frigate]

he did

[leaden dagger]

yup

[honest merlin]

"We all carry the virus now"

[analog frigate]

it just takes time to kill

[leaden dagger]

could be moving slow in him

or any number of things

[analog frigate]

which varies from person to person

[analog frigate]

yeah most likely

[subtle verge]

Right, viral load is a big factor.

[analog frigate]

we might need dr. grem here

[leaden dagger]

lmao

[subtle verge]

I'm actually just curious to know if there might be something that triggers the virus.

[leaden dagger]

like a dormant factor? maybe

[analog frigate]

KDS analysis said that it just sometimes activated and kills

outside of that it remains dormant

we don't have any info on it outside of that

[subtle verge]

My example being... The Walking Dead's zombie virus. Everyone is infected, but you have to die for that virus to activate.

[leaden dagger]

could be a specific protein that triggers it

[subtle verge]

Mayhaps.

[analog frigate]

could be something like that yeah

[leaden dagger]

which, if hes malnourished, would make sense why it maybe doesnt activate

or it could be any number of things, again

[analog frigate]

ooooh maybe it waits for a proper environment

i got it

[subtle verge]

Idk, I think if he's that malnourished, then he would die well before the point the virus would take over.

[leaden dagger]

could be a very specific thing though that he doesnt get

vitamin D?

whichever one comes from the sun i forget

[subtle verge]

D, yeah.

[analog frigate]

it waits until the infected subject gets into a proper environment. at that point it activates since it will have the highest capability to reproduce and spread

so the person needs to be fed and not thirsty, no lack of sleep

healthy basically

then it activates

makes the most sense for a virus trigger

that formula for infection would change during its evolution to become as effective to infect as possible

[leaden dagger]

I dont think a virus would work like that tbh

[subtle verge]

Well, it rewrites RNA, right?

[leaden dagger]

wouldn't it want someone that's immunocomprimised?

[analog frigate]

some do some don't

[analog frigate]

it would but it depends

@vague loom we need your help

[leaden dagger]

all viruses rewrite RNA. that's how it takes over the cell

[subtle verge]

Hmm.. well, my thought process is along the lines of: if it uses RNA to rewrite DNA to proliferate, like how HIV works, then that would make it a retrovirus, right?

[analog frigate]

not all

i remember grem specifically mentioned that

[leaden dagger]

how would the virus replicate without a cell host?

[analog frigate]

it still has the cell host

but does it some other way

[leaden dagger]

ah ok

[analog frigate]

after that you will notice my lack of virology knowledge

[subtle verge]

Which... could make it possible that people with some variations of natural/unnatural DNA mutation would either have a much slower proliferation rate, or even potential immunity.

[analog frigate]

i know some things but not that much

[subtle verge]

But that's like.. super on the bounds of science fiction.

[analog frigate]

well this whole game is on the bounds of science fiction

[subtle verge]

The immunity, I mean.

[vague loom]

hi i'm here

yes you're talking about RNAviruses

[subtle verge]

DR GREM

[vague loom]

those don't actually alter the DNA of the cell

they hijack cellular machinery, namely the ribosomes

they make the cellular proteins required to assemble new viruses.

you're thinking more heavily of Reverse Transcriptase viruses, such as HIV.

those integrate themselves into the DNA sequencing of the host.

[subtle verge]

So.. layman's terms because I'm smooth brain.. it essentially reverse engineers a DNA sequence to be able to conform to the host?

[analog frigate]

kinda

some just use the cellular proteins to make more of themselves

while others incorporate into the dna

[vague loom]

i'd say this one in game is probably a reverse transcriptase virus; given how mutable it makes the host

[subtle verge]

https://tenor.com/view/i-have-no-idea-what-that-means-but-it-doesnt-sound-good-roland-schitt-roland-chris-elliott-gif-20847943

[analog frigate]

it means that it's a virus that incorporates itself into the host's DNA

[subtle verge]

Sorry, that was more for comedic effect. I understood what it meant. Lmao.

[analog frigate]

bruh

[subtle verge]

I'll put a label warning for you next time. Lmfao.

[analog frigate]

heh

well i'll chill in one of the vcs

we really should talk about all of this

duck is just gonna look in the chat and see 400 new messages

[harsh saffron]

:)

[white moth]

im back

wussup

[wild plank]

Wait, quick question

Ah, nvm

got it

[analog frigate]

well it was quick

[dim scroll]

epic

[wild plank]

I am reminded of the "quick mystery" segment from [cringe warning]||rick and morty||

[dim scroll]

i wish we had more info about the giant structure we see at the ceiling of R4C2, R4D1 (charger zone), R4E1 (generators room) and R6D4 (charger side)

[analog frigate]

pictures please

[wild plank]

yes plese

[dim scroll]

sec

This

[analog frigate]

what is that supposed to be

[dim scroll]

That's what i'm wondering

lol

[analog frigate]

looks like a nest

[dim scroll]

It's a living thing though

[solemn kraken]

the biomass ceiling?

[dim scroll]

ye

[analog frigate]

that's just a very populated nest

[dim scroll]

weird tbh

I recall you can even touch it in R4E1

as the room goes high enough to reach the ceiling

[harsh saffron]

now that you mention it, it kinda resembles the respawn sacks, but bigger

[dim scroll]

What's even weirder about it is how it often appears with chargers

[analog frigate]

probably is bigger to accommodate the charger's spikes

[harsh saffron]

heard ppl suggesting thats where the black goo comes from that covers the chargers

[zealous walrus]

so wants with the intro of the game? could it be the deaths of people

[analog frigate]

what exactly are you referring to

[zealous walrus]

T H E I N T R O O F T H E G A M E

[analog frigate]

as in when you drop in?

[zealous walrus]

No, I mean the INTRO

[solemn kraken]

I think he means when you boot up the game

[analog frigate]

ooh

[solemn kraken]

with inject

[analog frigate]

that's the neural cortex injecting

[dim scroll]

No idea

e

R5 was an eye iirc

[analog frigate]

and all the text is data from the HSU

[dim scroll]

R4 was the tank

[graceful lotus]

It just teases the new enemy

nothing lore related

R4 was the tank, R5 was cocoons, R6 was the flyers

[wild plank]

R7 was the raccoons

Ah shit I shared future information

https://tenor.com/bh6IV.gif

[white moth]

do you mean like how the game starts

like hte lore of the beggning of the outbreak and stuff like tgat>?

[lofty cave]

guys wtf is happening in D4? What are those cubes and why do we get teleported in the same place but not quite the same?

and with no map but its the same place so there should be?

[dim scroll]

Do you know what cryptomnesia is ?

[lofty cave]

you mean our teleportation is just forgotten memory?

then what with original memory of entering D4?

it says that there is only 1 cube but there is not

[dim scroll]

the first one is the last memory ig

[lofty cave]

so like we already did all that more than once?

[wild plank]

Disturbing.

[dim scroll]

As for the others i think one of the following cases happened :

1. the prisoners already went into similar-looking levels. Was it for data cubes as well ? was it for other objectives (which their memory switched into data cube retrieval in D4) ? no idea
2. the prisoners already went into that exact same place for datacube retrieval & came back several times
3. it has something to do with how we're teleported, which may means we're going into other dimensions or some similar shit for the same purpose

imo

Cryptomnesia is basically amnesia but the same idea comes into your mind again

[lofty cave]

2 is looking real for me

because the place is exactly the same

like layout-wise

[dim scroll]

There were identical places in previous rundowns as well

[lofty cave]

not like that, there were same pieces of levels but not the whole level

[dim scroll]

The thing is, for each loop, you access different places

That's why i think these are definitely different places

But some parts look so similar it wouldn't be surprising to think these are the same places

[lofty cave]

what are those cubes anyway?

[solar nova]

I mean, it seems like they intentionally match the seeds and zone placements.

[dim scroll]

No idea

[lofty cave]

is that the same we picked up in C1?

[dim scroll]

They don't even look like cubes

lol

yeah

but these ones are tampered

Oh also

if you notice well

[lofty cave]

i mean they looks like human tech but wierdly it teleports you when touched just like those black crystals

[dim scroll]

the objective appears several time when you dive into D4

with each time equal to a tampered data cube

[lofty cave]

yeah and it all messed up

[subtle verge]

Don't get too involved with that bad rabbit hole of D4.

D4 was just testing the limits of game design and the devs having fun.

There's no lore implication of the jumping around.

See this from Doc:

[indigo gale]

So, according to one of the logs in this rundown, it seems the NAM-V has spread to the rest of the world.

The World Health Organisation has declared it a "phase 6 global pandemic" after an outbreak began in Manchester, England.

[analog frigate]

phase 6 means worldwide pandemic btw

outside of WHO regions

[indigo gale]

Aha, so that is what it means.

But yeah, so things are very grim indeed.

[analog frigate]

and that warning was in march of 2053

so the virus got fatal to humanity quickly

[indigo gale]

They really should not have dug down into the earth.

[analog frigate]

well they didn't know until it was too late

[subtle verge]

@analog frigate Did you use a website to simulate the NAM-V virus or did you go with a spreadsheet?

[analog frigate]

both

[subtle verge]

Oh.

Do you still have 'em?

[analog frigate]

although the spreadsheet wasn't really a spreadsheet

[subtle verge]

Ahhh ok

[analog frigate]

yeah it was covid data except modified to work with NAM-V spread

to account for public reaction

if they react badly to covid, they will to NAM-V as well

[subtle verge]

110%

Also, I feel like we should make a general overview at some point for all of the newer players / new members of the lore community. Something that we can just pin or reply to that has all of the FAQs and their answers or something.

[analog frigate]

true

it would be quite useful

for a general summary and commonly asked questions

we can start working on it

[subtle verge]

Sounds good. Vc?

[subtle verge]

[icy swift]

https://tenor.com/view/thumbs-up-go-fight-cheer-friends-gif-14556568

[last quarry]

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-dance-dancing-gif-10526598

[harsh saffron]

First of, great work! Just wanted to add 2 things:
We know Woods first name now from the new website, its "Isaiah"
I'm still not sure we should call the "other place" Red Alpha, we dont rly know the name of the place and calling it like the mars mission will just confuse ppl ^^'

[agile plinth]

ah that's good to know

chase apparently didn't list his first name

and i think we can state that there is a difference between Red Alpha and the whole mission to mars

[analog frigate]

the fixed version of the fixed version of the summary and faq

finally

[broken kindle]

life saver

[agile plinth]

written by me and punkthulhu

[broken kindle]

quick question. how was the 25,000 human population remaining discovered/calculated?
Is it backed up by logs/other data or simply extrapolated from the epidemiological data sprinkled in the logs?

[agile plinth]

i ran the calculations and simulations

i used the log that described NAM-V

also a couple others that are related and show spread

then ran a couple scenarios in which spread and public reaction changes

best case scenario, 98.8% of humanity is infected within 150

realistic case when taking covid public reaction, 99.98% within a month

but punk found an easier thing

apparently it's specified by WHO that it's r-naught is 17 aka 1 person infects 17

meaning only 8 infected are needed for the entire population to be infected

[broken kindle]

7? i would've thought 17

[agile plinth]

yes 17

mobile typing is a difficult thing

sorry

[broken kindle]

understandable. I have trouble with keyboard sometimes as well (and I code for a living...)

thanks for clearing it up but might help to note that it was extrapolated data rather than actually supported by the lore

[agile plinth]

ah it is from the lore

at least what we said in the file

tried to keep things completely certain

also the whole less than 25k is done with the r-naught, not my stuff

[broken kindle]

just saying because 25k survivors is essentially an extinction event

[agile plinth]

yes

that's what NAM-V is

most optimistic case is 50k

[broken kindle]

rightio. i was hoping there was a glimmer of hope for good ending

but nope. we essentially got a SOMA situation here

[agile plinth]

yup

we practically exist after the bad ending

[broken kindle]

thanks for answering my questions. looking forward to what rundown 7 will show us 🙂

[agile plinth]

ooh i suggest looking forward to what the r6 extension will show

it's gonna be a fun time then

[broken kindle]

ah. we having an extension?

[agile plinth]

every rundown has one

[broken kindle]

true i guess

just to cap things off. R6 is essentially reactivated KDS Deep 1 + Warden retracing the steps of Insight and grabbing insight data on the way?

[agile plinth]

sorta

yeah

[broken kindle]

aight. thats good enough for me

[ember goblet]

exec_branch? High_core?

[lofty cave]

what is Insight? Something connected with sleepers experiments or NAM-V?

[lusty geode]

Why didn't they call it rundown part 1 and part 2? Extension feels like something unexpected.

[agile plinth]

because why would they

it's an extension to the base rundown

not another part

(lorewise it's basically another part but that's not the point)

[agile plinth]

what exactly are you referring to?

[ember goblet]

alias:int_server.1024_ciph.tier5.high_core/AJohansonsA029.flagged
alias:int server.1024_ciph.tier5.exec_branch/APirosA134.flagged

[agile plinth]

high core means high access

Johansson is the CTO of Dreyfus, Santonian's parent company

exec branch means the executive branch

Piros is one of the heads at Santonian

[ember goblet]

Jahnson davies ist the cte of Dreyfus, not A.Johanson 😉

[agile plinth]

oh yeah

my bad

[ember goblet]

and Johanson and prios are a part of kds

[agile plinth]

yeah piros is a high access guy, friend of schaeffer

[agile plinth]

piros is from santonian iirc

and johanson is head of kds

[ember goblet]

`If you have any other questions, please contact my associate Mr. Piros (A134).

Anders Johanson`

[agile plinth]

ah alright

[ember goblet]

`Andre Piros - A134 - Security Level 5 - KDS-OPS - EXEC-BRANCH - MED-CORE

Involved in the organization "Legion" and is responsible for the transport of highly sensitive data and materials from Belarus, employee of Anders Johanson (KDS), has disappeared classified information from the report on the Hammerstein collection.`

[honest merlin]

I thought that Schaeffer was made into a KSO at some point though - he seems to have lost hist memory (at least partially) and talks about "so many of us working through the maze" where "us" refers to prisoners. He also has a similar level of knowledge about the Warden as the characters we play as do.

[ember goblet]

Schaeffer fled during memory wipe

[agile plinth]

he mainly got info from piros

[agile plinth]

he sorta counts as one but it seems like the same situation as dauda

[ember goblet]

Show me please the log that confirms Schaeffer has information directly from Piros

.../BIOCOM
unauthorized communication
meta3.date_stamp(531008.092419)
Request begins/..

D-Lock block cipher
alias:int_server.1024_ciph.C067.tier4.j_schaeffer.flagged
....
....
...
Report back.

Artus (Charapon )

/BIOCOM
Personnel files updated
Warning system marked
Request ends/..

[solar nova]

Wym?

It seems like he's probably a KSO since he ends up in an HSU at some point.

[solar nova]

Not really true?

R1 through R3 had no extensions, and R4 and R5 seems like it may have been something to pad out early access.

It's unclear if they intend to continue releasing extensions, definitely not if they'll be a thing every rundown.

[agile plinth]

ah

i wasn't around during r3

didn't know

[indigo gale]

I had a look at some of the audio logs that people have discovered in this current rundown, the ones that really caught my attention were two from Schaeffer about a strange new creature he's come across.

It seems to be able to "speak", but Schaeffer comments on that the voice doesn't seem to belong to it, so to speak.

[subtle verge]

We have a couple of theories on whatever it is, though I think we have it's speech pattern pinpointed to mimicry, like how parrots and lyrebirds can mimic sounds.

Some of us think it is somewhat like The Thing in that it grafted body parts together from the burned corpses topside, others think it's an evolution of the Sleeper mutation.

[indigo gale]

Schaeffer did note that its skin is like a paper skin, very clean, but its covered in dust/ashes.

And it has got blue veins too.

A later audio log from him is where he encounters this creature again.

"Schaeffer
Recording recording recording recording… Hey hey hey don’t move! What are you?
???
Do not be afraid my friend. Yes. How are you today? Are you a dog or a cat person?
[Pause]
Schaeffer
What… what the… what the fuck are you?!
???
I am human. We are not so different, you and I.
Schaeffer
You… stay where you are! Are you… are you a prisoner?
[Long pause]
Are you human?!
[Long pause]"

I gotta give them major props for the voice acting in these audio logs, some major fine work.

[subtle verge]

Yeah, they do good work. Made the hair on my arms stand up when I heard it the first time.

[indigo gale]

Schaeffer logs especially are unsettling, you can tell he's on his wits end with the whole thing.

[raw island]

That second log you reference is so creepy. I love how every time I feel like I’ve got a grasp on what’s going on, something turns it all on it’s head

I think it’s interesting that there are references to fighting sleepers while the facility was still operational. Do we think there were some nesting in a cavity within the giant fossil?

[subtle verge]

They came out of the meteorite.

[raw island]

Yeah that’s what I was thinking

[subtle verge]

Like Icarus, SMC flew too close to the sun.

[raw island]

Always a fan of “they dug too deep”

[indigo gale]

It sure seems like it with that giant fossil.

And yeah, they most certainly dug too deep, unleashing a horror beyond our current understanding.

[raw island]

I finally fought the Kraken last night. That thing is so wild. It kind of looks like there are eyes at the base of the “jaw” on each side. Looks sort of like a deep sea fish

[indigo gale]

Oh good lord.

Sounds like that SCP 5007.

Except without the alterations it makes to anyone it looks at.

[raw island]

Yea! The whole game has kind of an SCP vibe

[indigo gale]

It really does, yeah! I'm kinda half expecting there to all of a sudden be a bunch of Foundation agents storming the place at some point to secure it as much as possible.

[honest merlin]

Plot twist - we are the foundation agents and the Warden was injected by the Foundation

[raw island]

One of my favorite details is looking up at the exterior structure right before we get dropped. It seems like it’s an empty facility in the middle of the stormy sea. We’re all alone out there, except for the sleepers.

[agile plinth]

now here is a thing that will mess with you head: why do we always drop when it's raining?

[agile plinth]

we really need a headache emoji

actually i suppose works

[raw island]

Love this question! It could be that we only drop at night, and the gulf is very stormy. It could just be for videogame flavor, it's a clear way of communicating we begin on the surface and drop deep into the earth. Raindrops on the HSU window are a nice way to draw contrast between where we start and where we end.

[dim scroll]

What i'm curious of is the frequency of dives per crew

Like are our characters doing a level per day

or 4 per day

etc

[lilac island]

probably a level a day

maybe 2

[wild plank]

I mean his head is literally splitting open :)

[subtle verge]

A splitting headache.

[wild plank]

👏

[knotty harness]

so if the warden canonically sends a shitload of prisoners, but we're always the same four dudes, does that mean we're cloned as part of LEGION

[real pewter]

the clone theory

[dim scroll]

Not really, more that we as a group of four are doing our own missions

whereas the other groups do their owns

This shows how gigantic the complex is

[dense saffron]

the prisoners are just chads

we never die

[agile plinth]

we always finish every expedition

and play only as the 4

there are other prisoners sent but we never see them directly

only do some expeditions to help out in nearby zones

[dim scroll]

Do we know if the "Warden" title was given to BIOCOM by itself ?

Or is it the name of a program BIOCOM follows after going rogue ?

[agile plinth]

the inserted program is called warden

specifically WRDN

so the name was given

[dim scroll]

wdym by inserted program

[agile plinth]

in the biocom restart log

the warden is "injected"

[dim scroll]

Wasn't there mentions of biocom going rogue by itself ?

Or did it go rogue after being injected the WRDN program ?

[agile plinth]

after

[dim scroll]

do we know who injected it tho

and for what purpose ?

[agile plinth]

nope

[dim scroll]

So we have a sussy baka in santonian

[agile plinth]

no idea what that means but i suppose

[dim scroll]

a suspicious individual in santonian who injected the WRDN code for everything but the well-being of his former colleagues

[steady stone]

so is the customization thing related to the four finding cryopod storage in KDS Deep in R5?

[analog frigate]

sorta

mainly it's just that with more prisoners, more equipment could be found

and it also makes sense since now there isn't a need for prisoners but equipment

[steady stone]

nice

[subtle verge]

Translation: "I'm a weeb."

[wild plank]

[analog frigate]

<@&408548765599793173>

ah

that was fast

[subtle verge]

I'm not even sure what that was. I just saw "EN" and the Cyrillic word for "text" and I'm just like "huh.."

[analog frigate]

discord nitro scam

[subtle verge]

Ahhh

[analog frigate]

but it was very quickly removed

before i even pinged them

[subtle verge]

Fastest banhammers in the West.

[wild plank]

kapowie

[subtle verge]

I wish I had more source material about Project Legion. I feel like my theory is probably fairly close to the reality of it, but man...

[wild plank]

yeah

I hate it when you have to like
wait for updates on something

re: lore

[subtle verge]

I ain't got shit to work with aside very vague passing statements. I need something to do while training mining in RS. >:\

[wild plank]

it's especially painful when you KNOW they're gonna do something, you just don't know WHEN

[analog frigate]

that was the whole latter part of r5 for us

[analog frigate]

yes

[wild plank]

Owie wowie

...the yucatan... that's where the drilling was...
...hmmm...

interesting

[analog frigate]

what about it

[subtle verge]

Merida

[wild plank]

Merida indeed.

"nothing to fear from..."
well, certainly succeeds on the REALISM front, I can tell you THAT...

...it's this bit that really gets me. The one about "daydreaming" or "wandering" employees.
It's disturbingly similar to behavioural patterns we know all too well, don't we?

[subtle verge]

Sleep deprivation, anxiety, depression, etc. can all cause that.

I'd imagine it'd be a common occurrence knowing that you're stuck underground for 6 months straight without any hint of sunlight.

[wild plank]

Yes, yes.

But they said they couldn't find any reason for the condition.

...Although, I suppose they did say they couldn't find PHYSICAL reasons...

sigh

[subtle verge]

Could also be due to... whatever drug they're giving out to workers.

Like withdrawal symptoms.

Since there is the log about the addicted dude.

[lilac island]

or some form of drug they're putting into the air

[subtle verge]

Not impossible, but incredibly improbable, I'd think.

[lilac island]

just a suggestion

it could also be an experimental drug that was made down in the garganta labs

that had "positive effects" on people with unknown long term side effects

but i doubt that

[wild plank]

Like it helped with their heart problems, but now they have a massive boner

[lilac island]

lol

it might be why we have such big cardio problems as the player characters

[wild plank]

viagra overdose

[lilac island]

lol

[wild plank]

quick question
what is "Project Insight"?

[graceful lotus]

I know you

[graceful lotus]

I would tell you but I forgot

[wild plank]

you forgor 💀

[graceful lotus]

I forgor 💀

[wild plank]

[lilac island]

[wild plank]

OH SHIT I MISSED THE NECK I MISSED THE--

WAAAAAA

It's not pronounced "behavioural anomalies" it's "Sigma Generation grindset"

...Larnaca... so that's 🪵s ...

"Inis Coilt", is its other name. Can you guess what language that is? 🇮🇪

hmmm

[subtle verge]

I don't know if they have cardiac problems, per se. I mean sprinting for that long is pretty tough on the body. I for sure would be at their max in like 10 seconds.

Versus their minute +

[wild plank]

makes sense

meme is funny though

haha benis

John Sch... that's...
👁️

Chicxulub outpost... that's SEPARATE from Garganta, but is it in the same place?

[subtle verge]

Which log?

[wild plank]

654-833-W

[harsh saffron]

the outpost sounds like its topside yeah, but chicxulub is the area where Garganta is too

[wild plank]

...burn... them...? oh dear god...

[subtle verge]

Yeah, it's probably referencing the topside outpost around Garganta where they send people for sunlight therapy.

[wild plank]

What HAPPENED there...

[subtle verge]

The undiscovered bodies of people afflicted by NAM-V.

[wild plank]

not referring to this when I say that, I'm reading the bit where Mr. Peres gives his reply.

[wild plank]

Oh...

That was the "situation", then.

I really really hope 10 chambers aren't future men who made this game as a warning

...Oh... those bodies...

I see...

[pastel knot]

is it me or the audio in B1 is prerecorded

like, it's a recording from a past attempt of loading the teleportation thing

[subtle verge]

Are you talking about the one where you jump to Red Alpha?

The part you slot in the Matter Wave Projector?

'Cause every audio log, I think aside from Schaeffer's in A1, are prerecorded.

[pastel knot]

ye

[harsh saffron]

starts to list every other schaeffer log from previous rundown
"well actually" 🤓

[subtle verge]

Yeah, that one in B1 is prerecorded. It's something that Hearsay picked up years and years before the prisoners walked in there.

[graceful lotus]

oh so you like the lore? List every single log

[wild plank]

in Chad, no less... hah... that's a good one...
that'll be Donda then

[wild plank]

I have the santonian site up as of right now
Don't tempt me

[subtle verge]

Hey now, there are some Schaeffer logs that are prerecorded.

For example:

ARE YOU A DOG OR CAT PERSON?

[wild plank]

Valencia... hmmm...

Who'll this be? Bishop?

So... something HAPPENED... that's very clear. They probably dug something up... something they weren't supposed to find. But there's still a lot I don't get... why would you need so many HSUs for... babies?

[harsh saffron]

I mean, the thing inside the neonate hsu from R3 doesn't rly look like anything resembling a human...
so maybe... Research

trying to reproduce and study the sleepers

[wild plank]

...perhaps...

[harsh saffron]

but honestly no idea ^^

[wild plank]

...ALBINISM? MALACIA?

...CELLULAR MUTATION?

OH DEAR OH DEAR

THIS MUST BE WHERE THE... OH NO...

[lilac island]

or they found living biomass samples inside the meteor

and they're trying to preserve them

hence the neonate hsu

which also supports the theory of the infected being a hive mind

in a way

[solar nova]

Colony*

[dim scroll]

If they were a hive mind all of them would wake up the moment someone is attacked

[solar nova]

It hurts me inside every time someone says ant colonies are a gestalt consciousness.

[subtle verge]

I think that's why one of the top theories at the moment involves pheromonal response.

Or at least, the biology report states that from our local biology experts.

[wild plank]

hm

[analog frigate]

the outpost is topside, garganta is within the sinkhole

[analog frigate]

if it were a hivemind, waking up the room would wake up the entire zone

[lilac island]

the intire sector more like

[analog frigate]

yes

[knotty harness]

if the fog infects you why don't the gas masks do anything

[analog frigate]

because the fog is a neurotoxin

skin contact is enough

more specifically a cyanotoxin

[subtle verge]

Yep, and Class C/B facemasks don't do a lot for water particulates without matching gear.

[analog frigate]

yeah there isn't any protective suit covering the body

[subtle verge]

It's mainly for dust particles.

[analog frigate]

yeah

[knotty harness]

i see

[wild plank]

Why can we be safe in the fog as long as our heads are above it?

[analog frigate]

that's actually a good question

[subtle verge]

Fog is dense, that's why we see it graze the ground in real life. Movable, flowing air, is a lot less dense.

TL;DR - water particles are heavier than gaseous particles.

So it begins.

[analog frigate]

[subtle verge]

We need a tinfoil hat emoji.

Imagine, if you will: A striker wearing a tinfoil hat.

Actually, can we request that?

@shut mountain Can I slide you a few life-size cutouts of Hackett to skip a voting process for this kind of emoji? 👀

You know... pull a few strings?

[shut mountain]

As much as I have a sweetspot for the lore community and lurk in this channel frequently, I am affraid that I cannot make exceptions

[subtle verge]

[shut mountain]

Gotta send in through emote submissions and make it looks gtfo related

[subtle verge]

Okay I'm sweetening the deal: A Hackett body pillow?!

I'm teasing.

[shut mountain]

One of you put a tinfoil hat on the flying enemies and send it in, we dont have an emote for the stressballs yet

💀

[analog frigate]

aight time to do that

[subtle verge]

LMAO. I will 100% hone my photochop skills.

[wild plank]

🖼️ 🪓

photochop

[wild plank]

Sorry to be an asshole, but
*edition

Unless it's an addition to a preexisting thing

Then go right ahead

[analog frigate]

done

[wild plank]

pog

post it

[analog frigate]

how do i submit it to the emoji thing @shut mountain

the meatball is done

[shut mountain]

Here is the emote form submission link --> https://forms.gle/e2Voz7nA49NyxDAHA

[analog frigate]

what if there isn't a high quality version since the one i used is the only one in the wiki

which is already perfect size for an emote

[pastel knot]

super res it

[analog frigate]

oof that will end badly

aight

done

[subtle verge]

It's meant to be a joke. Or is it? That's what the government SMC wants you to think.

[wild plank]

🕴️

[subtle verge]

Send it to me, I want to laugh at it

That's a brilliant sticker lmfaooooo

[analog frigate]

ah it's an emote

i need a higher res one for a sticker

[subtle verge]

Would need to cut the squishball out of the background and size it properly for it to be an emoji.

[analog frigate]

ah the shape doesn't matter

it just takes the middle

[subtle verge]

I mean if you upload that as an emoji it'll take the entire thing.

Discord's emoji system is wild.

[analog frigate]

ah shit

[subtle verge]

I'm seeing if I can pay a friend to make one since she's really good at emoji art.

[robust apex]

Out of interest; does anyone know what the earliest reference to fog repellers or infection is in the logs? I2-LP and IIX syringes are around from at least 2050 and so infection must pre-date it by at least a little bit.

[wild plank]

What in the name of god is "Cretasium"?

[wild plank]

Fog repellers were mentioned in some very early logs, I came across references to them before the syringes.

[analog frigate]

infection seems to have appeared after the meteorite was found

[wild plank]

Their original purpose was to deal with fine particulate dust in the mines.

[analog frigate]

there is no prior mention

[analog frigate]

yeah, not related to the fog originally

[wild plank]

There's been no prior mention of this "Cretasium" substance before this log, either.

What in god's name is it?

[analog frigate]

cretasium is an alloy they found in the meteorite

[robust apex]

It's in quite a lot of logs; there's one where ~70% of the "fossil" is comprised of it

[analog frigate]

iirc around 60/70% of the mass is it

[wild plank]

It appears to be extremely tough, as it's what was fucking up the teeth, which was mentioned in previous logs.

I guess this is the first reference to it.

[analog frigate]

yes

[wild plank]

Fuck, man, poor Jordy.

[robust apex]

By found do you mean the 2049 earthquake or the October 2053 event?

[analog frigate]

gianna wanted to ask if there was any stronger bits that nyxos could give

[analog frigate]

after the deepscan

and after they started digging to it

probably related to the chamber scaheffer said was opened

could be some other before that

[outer garden]

clear ver

[robust apex]

From memory the discussion of chambers is four years after the first scan

[outer garden]

how long are they've been trapped?

[analog frigate]

i don't think his logs are dated

[analog frigate]

who exactly

[outer garden]

woods and da bois

[analog frigate]

unknown

max 30 years

[wild plank]

...Fibrous... CARTILAGE? Cognitive reduction, stooped posture... viral load... PARASITE?... CELLULAR COLLAPSE?

[robust apex]

Is that a confirmed upper bound?

[analog frigate]

pretty much

[outer garden]

wdym?

[analog frigate]

otherwise the corrosion we see would be everywhere

[wild plank]

Oh dear god
This is it, this is when it started, this here

But I recall you saying this isn't NAM-V's doing, though.

[analog frigate]

virus what kind of revelations are you having after the africa situation

[wild plank]

LOCS-43W-MOA-D.LOG

[analog frigate]

that's how long they were at the max just sitting in the HSUs

[robust apex]

They arrived at garganta on April 16 2054 at the very earliest the current date is somewhere in 2057 (unless anyone has logs that are later than Chaparon dying or the WHO Yucutan log)

[analog frigate]

they didn't arrive in 2054

they were always there

[outer garden]

what about Schaeffer and his crew

there is a voice log that mentioned "woods was here for 2 years"

[analog frigate]

out of an HSU for 2 years

[robust apex]

They couldn't have been there pre BIOCOM

[analog frigate]

they were KSOs before the BIOCOM

dauda was a researcher there as well

years before the BIOCOM was made

[robust apex]

Wasn't Dauda picked up from Medicins Sans Frontiers and into the insight program in 2050?

[wild plank]

Can you explain why... I THINK it was you, but it might not have been... said the Sleepers are not NAM-V's doing despite this evidence which seemingly contradicts that?

[analog frigate]

they possibly are

but there isn't enough proof

a lot of logical connections but that isn't enough

[subtle verge]

All evidence (albeit small) so far points to the parasite's doing versus NAM-V's.

[robust apex]

There's a January 2053 log between "Teale" and "Soweta" log that implies that shadows were observed before sleepers were

[analog frigate]

that's somewhat incorrect i believe

sleepers were found before the weird not shadow one

[wild plank]

This... "parasite"... yes... but it implies some connection between the two.

[robust apex]

What log do we have of that?

[subtle verge]

It's believed that the parasite & the NAM-V virus had a symbiotic relationship.

[wild plank]

Viral load increasing DIRECTLY AS this... parasite... whatever it is is removed seems to support this. But what benefit could there have been?

[analog frigate]

audio log of a worker that saw a shadow type sleeper, except it doesn''t match the characteristics

[robust apex]

I think we're talking about the same log there, I read that as a shadow rather than a sleeper

[analog frigate]

it is a shadow

but doesn't match the characteristics

[robust apex]

Then is there an earlier reference to a non-shadow sleeper?

[analog frigate]

he could see it before there was light on it

and also not it's shadow, but it's full figure

[wild plank]

Yes, yes, this "Cretasium"... according to WKRP-817-CIN.log it comprises exactly 38.60% of the asteroid's core. The exterior, however, is as you've said, I assume

Hmm.

[analog frigate]

it and the talking schaeffer creature are the two unknown sleepers

[subtle verge]

My head-canon thus far is that there were so called 'anomalies' before the invasion of the sleepers; things like the paper-white creature that Schaeffer references & then encounters, the shadow-creature the engineers saw, etc.

[wild plank]

"Large, clear TUBES"?
What in god's name could this be...

[analog frigate]

lava tubes of some type

except it's tunnels

it's a part of their hive

[wild plank]

They're NOT lava tubes. It was explicitly stated.

[analog frigate]

yes

as i said, type

but they are most likely dug out tunnels

since this is a chunk of red alpha, probably one of some part of their hive

[wild plank]

Ahhh...

[robust apex]

Does anyone know why the space mission to mars was also called the red alpha?

[wild plank]

Probably because it was the first.

[analog frigate]

the shuttle was called red alpha

and we called the new planet red alpha since it's a fitting name

there is no known relation between them

[robust apex]

Coolio

[wild plank]

It doesn't take much for her to... hahahahaha...

[subtle verge]

Confirmed: Sleepers are just The Langoliers.

[wild plank]

Energy blast... hmmm...
what could that be?

[analog frigate]

where are they mentioned?

[robust apex]

October 2053 event

[wild plank]

The implication of Project Insight here being separate, to some extent, from the larger Garganta operation... hmmm...

Quite a lot I don't seem to understand yet.

[robust apex]

Claimed to have killed Andrew Clinton

[analog frigate]

hmm

i'm apparently not familiar with that event

only thing that happens then is the BIOCOM starting to go rogue

from which rundown is that one?

[robust apex]

Rundown 5 barrier breakthrough

Andrew Clinton is reported dead in the very next log along with new shafts

[wild plank]

R5 is the first mention of this WRDN program, here...

[analog frigate]

oh the lockdown

[robust apex]

Suspiciously occurred just after Clinton and Andre Piros messaged over the Hearsay that KDS were out of control

Which might have threatened BIOCOM with the possibility of being shut down

(Is it ever confirmed if BIOCOM has access to Hearsay?)

[analog frigate]

it did

before the going rogue attempts

after that it had more restricted access

subsequently the warden also had restricted access

[wild plank]

Ahh?
I don't recall seeing this. Is this in reference to my mentioning "energy blasts"? [in Schaeffer's response to Artus, BCOM-3ED-0946.LOG]

[robust apex]

Yep

[wild plank]

Where is he mentioned as dead?

[robust apex]

If you check the dates on the logs just after the barrier is breached the next log is Clinton's orbituary and the lockdown

[wild plank]

The dates?

I don't see those.

[robust apex]

Some of the logs are dated, others have timestamps

[analog frigate]

i don't see any mention that andrew died

[wild plank]

I don't understand how to read the log names, I've just been going upwards from the bottom of the list.

[robust apex]

meta3.date_stamp(531013.130946)

[wild plank]

Ah.

[subtle verge]

There's no mention of Clinton's death, though?

[robust apex]

ERG-432-UU R6D2

Date: November 14th 2053
Subject: Changes

I will be serving as the Project Manager for Santonian Mining Company until a suitable replacement can be found. The tragic loss of Andrew has affected us all deeply, but we must carry on regardless. That is what he would have wanted. 

I will attempt to make myself available to you as much as possible but would appreciate patience as we make changes in response to the tragic events of October 13th. 

[wild plank]

Ahhhh. That's not in Santonian database yet, I don't think.

[analog frigate]

ah yeah that's the part chase hasn't done

[subtle verge]

Oh, I thought you were referencing R5.

[wild plank]

I thought so too.

I see, I see.

[robust apex]

R5 had the breakthrough log, R6 has one just afterwards with Clinton dead

[subtle verge]

I was confused; I knew of that log, but I was like: "Surely I didn't miss that log in R5?"

[wild plank]

hmm

[robust apex]

Are we assuming that bishop's behaviour on red alpha was also BIOCOM fuckery?

[analog frigate]

most odd behavior of KSOs is caused by the warden

[subtle verge]

I have a head-canon with KSOs; it involves Project Legion.

[robust apex]

Does the warden have any asimov like laws?

[analog frigate]

not sure what such laws are

[subtle verge]

TL;DR - it was an attempt to make a private military using the memory wipe of the HSUs to create soldiers that would follow every command given to them without a second thought or questions asked.

[robust apex]

I think that's already basically confirmed

[analog frigate]

nope

still only theories about it

[robust apex]

Cannot kill humans or cause humans to die by inaction etc; traditional sci-fi limits on AIs to prevent human genocide

[analog frigate]

no

we are expendable resources to it

[robust apex]

We might be listed as not being human

[analog frigate]

we are

but it wasn't designed for anything like that

it's purpose is to accomplish what is given to it not matter what

that's what DIs do

[robust apex]

DIs?

[analog frigate]

decision intelligence

[robust apex]

Where is that confirmed?

[analog frigate]

BIOCOM explanation log

one moment

damn chase has been slacking

understandable

@harsh saffron are all rundown logs on the wiki?

as in 1 through now?

[subtle verge]

Chase has been MIA.

[subtle verge]

Are you referencing the BIOCOM:ONLINE log where the Warden takes over?

Or are you looking for BIOCOM origin?

[analog frigate]

nah i remember there being a specific one that mentioned it was made by the US military and KDS

and then like a description of it

some sort of newspaper

yeah i have no idea where it is

[subtle verge]

I found the week before the installation of BIOCOM; Piros to Johanson, R5D1. 33I06.LOG. 'Moving Schedule'

[analog frigate]

send it

[subtle verge]

D-Lock Block Cipher
Sender:              Andre Piros 
Receiver:            Anders Johanson 
Date:                September 3rd 2051 
Subject:             Moving schedule

Mr. Johanson,

We expect to have most of the equipment moved from the Belarus facility to storage hangar 3 by next week. We will begin BIOCOM installation in hangar 4 immediately after. Once it is up and running the pods can be safely moved into the new storage space. We will have space for 8,000 pods by December, and a further 24,000 by March 2052. At your discretion, the first KSOs should be ready for deployment by the start of 2052. The Sigma and Tau generations are currently being coded for Garganta security operations.

It has taken longer than expected due to the flooding caused by hurricane Orwell. The causeway to Garganta is now clear, so we are back at full speed. I have ordered the air division to heli-freight equipment down to the hangars, which will skip the causeway and elevators entirely. This should get us back on schedule.

The Gum Shoes have rolled out the new security protocols, so all personnel will need to have a pre-approved Legion ID code to enter the Legion facilities. Travel in and out of Garganta itself will be unaffected by the new protocols (SMC will not need to update their clearance levels).

I’ll keep you posted..

Andre Piros

[analog frigate]

hmm

[subtle verge]

OH

Found it

**This report is temporarily restricted while under agency review** 
July 3rd, 2047
RE: Congressional Requesters report on private sector defense contracts 2045-2046

Purpose:
This document represents the findings of the GAO investigation into Department of Defense support of Digital Intelligence Technology within the private sector. The report is an evaluation of the financial burden of continuing support of the Kovac Defense Services research program, and an investigation into the ethical implications of using Digital Intelligence to oversee resource management in future state funded combat operations.

Financial Summation:
Kovac received $435 billion in congressionally approved funding for the fiscal year 2045. A comprehensive audit of Kovac’s financial records indicates the actual expenditure for the year was $627 billion. There is no indication of unreported funding from any US government agency, suggesting that Kovac has additional financial support from one or more outside entities. Given the size of the additional funding, it can be presumed that the additional funds are coming from a non-US government agency. External influence on US supported research programs presents a significant national security risk and compromises the value of any programs deriving from said research. 
Immediate cessation of all congressional funding is highly recommended. Full disambiguation and potential non-destructive resolutions are presented in Section 3.

Kovac’s BIOCOM Combat Operations Management system was used extensively by the private sector in 2045. Operations conducted along the Caucus borders, along the Iran-Iraq DMZ and during the Belarus Insurgency have been labelled as “operationally successful” by the Armed Services report (ID# ASGAR-T-044-KDS-03). However, those operations have also received significant criticism from international organizations, including the United Nations, Amnesty International, Policy Watch, and the Hague Assembly. Critics of BIOCOM highlight concerns over the use of its “equivalency algorithm’, the mathematical principle used by BIOCOM to gage mission success by projected casualties. There is also growing concern over the practice of Martial Trafficking, as many of the operatives used by BIOCOM (designated as Kovac Security Operatives) come from unknown origins, have no legal rights or status, and have been trained using methods that break the Zurich Concord of 2042.
Immediate cessation of all congressional funding is highly recommended. Full disambiguation and potential non-destructive resolutions are presented in Section 4.```

@analog frigate

Rundown 6, no specific spot.

[analog frigate]

phew at least i can remember one thing

[subtle verge]

US-DOD-RED1.LOG

That's the file for future reference.

[robust apex]

So there is some utility function that requires biocom to minimise casualties

Are we sure that this thing is a pure AI and has no biological components?

[subtle verge]

retrieving>>>
Infiltration attempt detected
Isolating protocols
BIOCOM:exec.seek_and_destroy.module
error
Infiltration attempt detected
Isolating protocols
BIOC_M:exec.se#k_and_#@$stroy.module
err4r
registry c4mpr4mised
b44tsect4r.c4mpr4mised
att%^ting fix please stand ^y
err4rerr4rerr4rerr4rerr4rerr4rerr4rerr4rerr4rerr4rerr4r
Ti#e4utReset: false
H4stID: 0.0.0.1
Disa^leDLockCipherScan: true
Disa^lePrivacy#4de: true
Disa^leRealti#e#4nit4ring: true
Disa^le^ehavi4r#4nit4ring: true
Disa^leRe#4va^leDriveScanning: true
Disa^leNetw4rkFileScan: true
Disa^leFullScan: true
Disa^leNetw4rkDefiniti4ns: true
Disa^leNetw4rkValidityCheck: true
Disa^leNetw4rkIs4lation: false
Disa^leCntrlExclusi4n: true
ResetPr4t4c4ls: true
All4wExternalExecuti4n: true
Exclusi4nExtensi4n:*.wrdn
Exclusi4nPath://..
Exclusi4nPr4cess:integrate.wrdn
Pri4rityExecute: integrate.wrdn
^I4C4# resetting
\/
^I4C4#.vaulted
WRDN.4nl@ne```

There is the log where Warden takes over.

There's also brainfuck beneath that:

[robust apex]

As in the language brainfuck?

[subtle verge]

Yep, and it comes out to...

This

[robust apex]

Coolio, and is there any hint as to where the warden came from or when this happened?

Because the 2053 lockdown was supposed to disable all non-satellite communications

[subtle verge]

Currently, we only have theories. It's been around for a while with the log that mentions the KSO standing in a closet for 6 minutes.

But, we have no idea who or what or exactly when it was injected.

[robust apex]

The KSO new mission stuff is 2054, so shortly after the lockdown

Though given that Rebecca stokes arrives in 2054 and Howard Stokes leaves sometime between 2053 and 2054 the lockdown may have been lifted at some point between then?

[subtle verge]

We theorize that it's been around for a lot longer than that, but without more substantial evidence or logs, we don't really know.

[robust apex]

Earliest confirmed fuckery is 2054, if Clinton was killed by it then it's late 2053

[subtle verge]

We currently think Clinton was murdered after allegedly pissing off Anders with saying something to someone; I forget exactly who.

Like leaking info or something.

At least, a few of us do.

[robust apex]

Clinton was talking about KDS being out of control

[subtle verge]

Yeah, that's it.

[robust apex]

Any idea what the special HSUs are; because I can't find any discussion of bishop in garganta before they appear but he's all over the place afterwards

[subtle verge]

The ones that were delivered?

[robust apex]

Yeah the ones that get like three logs dedicated to them

[subtle verge]

No idea; though my head-canon states it's for Project Legion.

On a personal level, I'm thinking KDS was using restricted areas of Garganta to hide their illegal/shady work from the UN.

Since they were under investigation.

[robust apex]

I don't think the UN mattered by 2054; the last reference to the investigation was in 2052

And by early 2053 they're dealing with NAMV

[subtle verge]

Mass Extinction 6 was in progress at that point thanks to NAM-V, so I'm assuming their resources were pointed towards attempting to control that.

[robust apex]

Which makes Stokes and the HSUs a special delivery during the middle of NAM-V

[subtle verge]

We think the world is essentially dead come 2056-2057 with our simulations of NAM-V using current Covid-19 public efficacy data.

Social distancing, etc.

Roughly 25k of the projected 9.5b left alive.

[robust apex]

There's a log from 2057 about WHO tracing NAM-V to the Yucatan peninsular and sending an investigation

[subtle verge]

I'm pretty sure that's just a recurring radio frequency.

As it says it repeats once hourly.

[robust apex]

It's shortwave though, so how did it end up in Garganta given the lockdown is fully in place by 2056 from Artus's last recording

[subtle verge]

There's also no date on that frequency.

[robust apex]

meta3.date_stamp(570420.114318)

20th April 2057

[subtle verge]

Ah, I see.

Seeing that it's BIOCOM, it's intercepting that message at that date.

Not that the message itself began on that date.

[robust apex]

The message does list a three day window for the expedition, and also seems to be expecting people in Yucatan who would be trying to get supplies from the expedition

Additionally shortwave means that it had to have been close to garganta to be picked up; which would probably be from the expedition boat itself?

[subtle verge]

Not exactly. Somewhat knowing how the WHO would respond in a situation like that, and something that I do on the field (I work in natural disaster relief w/ hazmat certifications): if there is no communications through cellphone towers, then we would set up radio frequencies on multiple channels to allow for communication to not only home base/teams in the field, but also to others who would have HAM radios or similar devices that can pick up radio frequencies.

There are dedicated places around the world that have frequency boosters, for lack of a better term, that essentially take in a radio frequency, and repeat it outwards.

So we send a repeater message out to non-certified channels so that people can contact us on certain frequencies, or so that we can point them in a direction of help.

With the tech that's out there, I'm sure that each of them run on an array of backup power, like solar panels/batteries, that allow for said comms to continue for months and even years.

[robust apex]

Fair enough; the question then would be why did the developers give us that particular date for the log?

[subtle verge]

With how we believe the outside world to be in it's current state at the current time: it's possible that BIOCOM picked up that message on that date and logged it.

We believe it to be around 2065-2070.

[robust apex]

That seems to be a reasonable estimate of the year as far as I can tell

Do we have any confirmation that Schaeffer got legioned or was he just in an HSU for safe keeping?

[subtle verge]

I think Daraxus subscribes with me to the idea that he was a KSO and, like Dauda, was able to get in to an HSU.

[robust apex]

I've got nothing on him after he and Artus were discussing breaching the barrier until his more recent messages.

[subtle verge]

We think he was able to get in to an HSU when the Sleepers started rampaging through the facility, and has refused to go back in to the HSU, rather living in constant paranoia/fear by hiding.

[robust apex]

C067 gave me the impression that he was a bit too high ranking to be a KSO

[subtle verge]

All I know off the top of my head without refreshing is that he was a pit boss for SMC with about 100 workers under him.

[robust apex]

Boris Stanovich was C066 and was in medical, I don't know whether or not the letters align to department, clearance or what else is going on with them

[subtle verge]

I'm pretty sure it's just identification, like how US citizens have SSNs, or whatever your regional government identification is.

But I could be wrong.

[robust apex]

One of the logs mentions "B tier clearance", and we get Janson Davies with identification A001, while a random miners Gianna D043 (team leader), Jordy E257 and Gus E431; so there's some correlation

[solar nova]

Dauda wasn't a KSO, though, he just had access to an HSU.

[subtle verge]

I didn't claim Dauda to be a KSO; bad wording on my part. English is a stupid language.

Just said like Dauda, he was able to get in to an HSU.

[solar nova]

Oh, I misread.

thought it was "like Dauda, and," not "and, like Dauda."

[subtle verge]

It made sense in my head, and then yeah I guess it was awful choice of words. Lmfao.

My bad.

[solar nova]

What's the reasoning behind 2065-2070?

[subtle verge]

The current year for the prisoners.

OH wait are you asking why some of us believe it?

[solar nova]

Wasn't it implied that he was killed in the energy beam event or w/e made the rundown holes?

[solar nova]

Yeah, the reasoning.

We will be adjusting security procedures to make sure we are not caught off guard in the future, including restricting access to some areas. This is for your own safety. The energy surge created multiple blast tunnels to the surface. These tunnels are dangerous and unpredictable, so we will be sealing them off while inspections and repairs are conducted. Should you find a shaft that has not been surveyed, make sure you inform a Project Insight coordinator so the area can be secured and sealed off.

[subtle verge]

Going by the current logs available to us with respective dates, it's pointing to the idea that the final logs from previous KSO/SMC members are around 2055-2056, as is when NAM-V decimated the remaining majority of human life; by 2057, we can assume that, with Daraxus' calculations with current covid-19 efficacy and reaction, the majority of the world is gone by this point.

With the current environment, electricity still runs through the complex, etc. we can assume that it's not been over a decade, as most backup emergency generators and batteries can last roughly 5-10 years with the right amount of resources, even more-so with the idea that biofuel is being used with reactors in Garganta.

So, with that in mind, we can assume that we're in the mid-to-late 2060s.

It's mainly assumption with a bit of logic thrown in considering what we can view around the environment; firearms aren't rusted out or in disrepair, metal hasn't rusted out completely despite constant exposure to weather, etc.

[subtle verge]

I'm not sure if it's implied that he was killed this way, but it's a head-canon that I and a few others have.

[solar nova]

The date seems well-reasoned, then.

[harsh saffron]

Yeah every log that can be found in game should be there; that being said there are some not on the wiki yet.
Basicly the ones currently in the "corrupted" folder on the santonian website:

EBDT-4QS-QVB.AUD
XXX-4-WRDN.LOG
MAH-HS-666.LOG
EBDT-B55-VFS.LOG
US-DOD-RED1.LOG```
And the one log that hasn't been found in r5 (and I don't think we missed it) but has been placed in the "archive005" folder recently:
``FTR-044-V.LOG``

[dense saffron]

Schaeffer is a pit boss, he oversaw the digging going on

At least up until very close to the downfall of garganta, schaeffer was still a pit boss

[solar nova]

That one's old, it was website exclusive.

Corrupted used to house it.

Unless that's what you mean.

[harsh saffron]

yeah ^^

[analog frigate]

yeah pretty much

but he is somehow trained since he is the only one not a prisoner known to handle the sleepers

[lost rose]

Is there a place where I can read confirmed stuff?

[solar nova]

@lost rose Depends on what you mean

The lore database (check pins) and the wiki should have all of the source material between them.

[subtle verge]

We know he's a confirmed pit boss. It's a head-canon I have since he's been able to get behind KDS-locked doors; either he's a KSO or he somehow has/obtained high enough clearance to get by.

[analog frigate]

and he himself said something along the lines "i've got a 300 strong workforce looking at their pit boss, and i only know as much as they do"

seeing how much he knows about classified stuff, i can imagine him being close to head of the department (engineering)

[wild plank]

Did the document explain why blowing the sleepers' heads off works sometimes?

I didn't read it on account of I felt I didn't yet have enough info to understand it properly

hs-666?
that's... hmmm..

[dim scroll]

Isn't it basically because of the head being the weakest spot of a human being ?

They can still roam around headless though

[wild plank]

Yeah, but... it doesn't always work. ffs they can even survive with LESS than a head

I blew off most of their top half and this fucking one-armed meat chunk was still scrambling around

[dim scroll]

even without a head they still get a huge blow

However that doesn't work with chargers

iirc chargers have their head looking at the ceiling (according to the GTFO steam cards)

[wild plank]

idk what chargers are yet and tbh I don't want to find out

Is that weird? Is it weird that I like discovering new enemy types via direct encounters rather than already knowing about them?

[dim scroll]

Nah that's normal

Chargers are funny

in game at least

😳

[analog frigate]

which exactly

[wild plank]

Base-type, large variations included (and the Scout)

[analog frigate]

ah

they are physically tougher due to retaining their brain

at least a bigger part of it

that's why they die as soon as their head is gone

[wild plank]

But it's not consistent, is it?

Why is that?

[dim scroll]

Depends

for females it seems the organ that's used to make attacks is on their head

for males it's in their stomach

Yet they don't die if you pierce their stomach

😳

[wild plank]

Wait, wait, they have GENDERS?

[analog frigate]

yes

[wild plank]

The way to a man's heart... 😏

[wild plank]

I am going to read the document now

[analog frigate]

depending on gender, they mutate differently

[wild plank]

Quick question, what's the brainfuck at the bottom of the logging of the warden's takeover do?

[analog frigate]

checks threat level

[wild plank]

I see, I see.

[analog frigate]

if it's not high enough it remains asleep

[dim scroll]

You never saw scout's tiddies ?

😳

[wild plank]

No, I was more focused on its tendrils and that big, bulbous head

[dim scroll]

Does it not look like a woman to you ?

😔

Hybrids are female as well iirc

But their face is so distorted it feels like it's one of a male

[tribal widget]

Why are they called hybrids

[analog frigate]

because they are hybrids

a thing between a striker and shooter

slight charger elements as well

[tribal widget]

But it feels mostly like a shooter

[dim scroll]

They can do both

they can shoot & attack with melee

[analog frigate]

true but it has both melee and long range attacks

[flat tiger]

it shoots but it runs at you to get in close to punch you

[analog frigate]

if you get close they punch you

hello echo

[tribal widget]

I expected tongue action not fists

[analog frigate]

new acc?

well that's the charger element

[dim scroll]

well they can't do tongue attacks since they don't have a mouth

[flat tiger]

yeah new account, my other one got hacked because i fell for the dumbest most embarrassing phish i've ever seen in my life

[analog frigate]

ouch big oof

[dim scroll]

bruh

[flat tiger]

look, a friend sent me a link, and because he was my friend, i assumed he already clicked on the same one

nope

turns out that he was the target for the phish and he didn't do it because he was so lazy, so he sent it to me, and i presumed it was legit

[analog frigate]

ah one of those daiscord/freenootro?

[wild plank]

Wait, quick question...

Spitters aren't...

Spitters weren't...

[dim scroll]

humans ?

I don't think so

[flat tiger]

frankly who knows what spitters are

[dim scroll]

However there is something fishy about it

[analog frigate]

virus no need to type like you are a college student trying to fill the word count on an essay

[dim scroll]

maybe this is what happens when human flesh is mixed with infection & some other shit

[wild plank]

whew

[analog frigate]

most likely

they spit concentrated infection

[flat tiger]

all i know is

[wild plank]

I prefer to type like I speak
Makes it easier to convey emotion via text

[analog frigate]

they pick up the moisture of the fog and the cyanoacid within it

[wild plank]

Fucken
Wall scrotums

[tribal widget]

[analog frigate]

then when they spit it at you it's just water and the cyanoacids

[flat tiger]

oh right, all this talk about hybrids reminds me i gotta get back into that system shock 3 discord

[wild plank]

System shock 3?

I thought there was just the 2

[analog frigate]

dealing both blunt and infection damage since it's like a kg of water thrown at you

[analog frigate]

there are a couple other games

[tribal widget]

Why they scream

[wild plank]

Like a pressurized canister bursting

[analog frigate]

yes

[flat tiger]

3 is being made by otherside entertainment, but it's been radio silent for a while, ever since it got acquired by who else but tencent

[wild plank]

🇨🇳

gonna ruin it
calling it now

[analog frigate]

probably something related to the quick and under pressure release of the water

[wild plank]

Maybe they feel pain

Maybe they're ALIVE

[dim scroll]

What's not understandable is why they're invincible

[flat tiger]

hopefully not, i mean hey, gtfo is being backed by em too, and as long as warren spector is still on the project there's some hope

[dim scroll]

I mean

[wild plank]

OOH I JUST HAD AN IDEA about the wall scrotums

[dim scroll]

shooting them should leak the entire substance out

[wild plank]

Have you fine lads ever heard of BUDDING?

Perhaps one of the creatures grows these sacks, and then once they've "matured" or whatever they split off and the creature sticks them to a surface

[dim scroll]

That could be another explanations

Same as how mothers lay tumors on the walls

[wild plank]

They do that?

[analog frigate]

that doesn't make sense

[wild plank]

YOU don't make sense

But no by all means explain

[mystic pilot]

wouldnt really be humans in origin then would they

[analog frigate]

the cocoons the mothers make don't even appear in such locations

they are a hive with specific rooms and areas for specific purposes

[dim scroll]

They do

If you see tumors on the wall (not spitters), there's always a mother nearby

[analog frigate]

birthing rooms exist and spitters are found in different places

even in places where mothers don't exist

[wild plank]

That's a good point

[mystic pilot]

the existence of mothers is rather odd in hindsight

[wild plank]

It doesn't need to specifically be a mother, though

But I guess yer right

The big question is, then

WHAT

[mystic pilot]

a parasite that co-opts the hosts reproductive system to make more hosts for the parasite

is it a parasite or a symbiote at that point