gtfo-lore

[agile plinth]

most are dead

[finite vine]

Yep, someone had to turn biocom into WRDN

[agile plinth]

true

but after that

who could do anything

they are most likely dead

[finite vine]

there has to be a team of scientists guiding biocom and giving it the correct objective stacks

[agile plinth]

and the ones alive don't know the BIOCOM exists

[finite vine]

there is absolutely no way to prove that

[agile plinth]

that's exactly what the warden itself does

it's a DI

the entire point is to decide and achieve

[finite vine]

it does not matter whether it’s a DI or not, someone changed to programming for their own reasons, they are likely also guiding the objective stacks in some way.

[agile plinth]

they don't need to

a protocol is entered, the DI does what it has to, to accomplish it

[finite vine]

true, but a human is most certainly in the mix of this.

[agile plinth]

for the whole warden change, yes

after that there is no influence

[finite vine]

still absolutely no way to tell that

[agile plinth]

currently no, but it's the most likely

we haven't seen anything proving it yes

but the type of AI strongly suggests it

[lilac island]

wrong, biocom's entire directive is creating and distributing objective stacks, the WRDN protocol need only provide an end goal

[agile plinth]

yes

the end is there, but the path is made by the DI

[finite vine]

yea what i said there is not proven, it’s just what i theorized.

[subtle verge]

I blame Jansen Davies.

Fuckin' Davies... always ruining things.

[finite vine]

also how do you know that the WRDN module only gives biocom a end objective?

it might do other things too

[agile plinth]

we can assume since nothing but a goal is needed

[finite vine]

I don’t think biocom works as easy as we think, we have to provide it the tools required to gather information about its objective. either biocom gains information by its self, or it is given to biocom by humans or databases.

[agile plinth]

it does it by itself

that's the point of its existance

a goal is given

it does everything needed to accomplish it

[finite vine]

yep using legion and other info it has

[subtle verge]

It's meant to be a self-regulated entity that has an end-goal (of what that goal is, we don't really know), and it's taking a vast majority of intel in the greater BIOCOM network to figure out what is needed to reach that goal.

[finite vine]

yea that makes sense. it is definitely possible for humans to be giving information to biocom.

[subtle verge]

Given what super AI accomplished by today's standards, like writing code, creating movie scripts, hell, even creating it's own secret language (check that one out, the one Google had to shut down because of that).

[agile plinth]

issue is, who?

[subtle verge]

Who knows what is capable in the year the prisoners are at?

[finite vine]

also... who imprinted the neonate in r3? who attached to data cubes to the matter wave projector in r6?

[dim scroll]

Schaeffer my beloved

[finite vine]

humans are probably doing those things

[agile plinth]

those that could are dead since that parasite is killing everyone no matter what (unless someone managed to isolate themselves from everything) and the ones alive can't do it

[subtle verge]

They were done well before the apocalypse, I'd imagine.

[agile plinth]

Schaeffer is a man gone mad

[subtle verge]

At least the groundwork of it all.

[finite vine]

why can the ones alive not do it?

[agile plinth]

scared and angry at the warden

[agile plinth]

the virus goes through class A hazmat suits, the best ones are the ones to respond first

[dim scroll]

cuz they probably don't have the knowledge to do so maybe

[agile plinth]

so the best die first

[finite vine]

?

[dim scroll]

or everyone is a dumbass

[agile plinth]

then the approx. 1.5 million that are alive are somewhat random people that are just isolated from everyone enough to not get infected

the world is dangerous place

you don't need people to infect

only air

[subtle verge]

I wonder if it can infect animals, or if it's exclusive to humans/primates.

[dim scroll]

Have you seen monkeys in the complex ?

n o

[agile plinth]

we currently don't know

[subtle verge]

Yet.

[agile plinth]

most likely not though

viruses are mostly inclusive

[wild plank]

I'm taking that

[subtle verge]

Idk, have you seen some of the people playing this game?

I think teammates can count.

[agile plinth]

@vague loom can say

[wild plank]

🐒

oo oo oo

[agile plinth]

as far as i know, viruses are mostly exclusive to the species they infect

[dim scroll]

😩

[agile plinth]

also if it can be transmitted through animals

oh boy do my simulations and estimates go down

that adds so many more carriers

include that with the parasite

there might be less that 150 thousand people alive

even less maybe

[subtle verge]

It's not outside the realm of possibility; iirc one of the variations of the current global pandemic can transfer to cats & dogs if they're around an infected person long enough.

[agile plinth]

hmm

I'll try and run that simulation again

although i need numbers and possibilities first

hypothetically, which animals can be infected and how many of them are there

but first we need some answers from Dr. Grem

[vague loom]

I was tagged what's up

[agile plinth]

could NAM-V infect something like birds

or is it strictly to humans

OH GOD

THAT APPARENTLY DOESN'T MATTER

fuck

any fucking animal is a carrier, infected or not

so there aren't 1.5 million people

probably less than 50 thousand

it's worse than malaria in spread

not only mosquitoes

any kind of thing

the parasites can just attach

[lofty cave]

what is Rise Project?

[finite vine]

we don’t really know

[subtle verge]

To my knowledge, there's only that one (maybe there's 2? I forget atm, smooth brain part of my day) log that mentions it.

[harsh saffron]

yeah 2 logs about the Rise project so far and those basically just imply that its another project by KDS and that they need HSUs (and obviously the ppl inside them)

[subtle verge]

Right, right, 'cause they're the two variants of the conversation between Dean Lockwood and Andre Piros, right?

I think it's DLK-HGTR-9 for the messages back and forth.

[harsh saffron]

yup but Janson Davies also mentions it when talking to Anders Johanson. He wants to have a tour of the new areas they accepted for KDS and wants to discuss the rise project

[subtle verge]

That's right, I forgot about the AJxJD log.

[dusty canopy]

Is there a TLDR for the GTFO Lore?

Or a summary somewhere

[lilac island]

Try checking pins

[dusty canopy]

Thanks

[icy swift]

wait there was one by daraxus just above

here you go

@dusty canopy

sadge lore hours 😦

[dense kelp]

what if Schaefer is the mimic creature

[icy swift]

not sure

highly improbable cause he talks pretty humanely, while the mimic creature has a robotic voice which is very unusual

[dense kelp]

my man seems positively schizo, and seems obsessed with making everyone go deeper

[icy swift]

he's gone mad

too much time alone

[dense kelp]

maybe, but one of the mimics did say they were human like him right

[icy swift]

there is only one mimic/creature that we know of

and yes, they did mention that it was not so different than humans

[pastel knot]

I just noticed there is a log in alpha two's terminal in B1

audio log

[icy swift]

but here's the subtle difference
it said its not so different than humans rather than saying its human like us
which makes me think its something different

[dense kelp]

yeah, i wonder if he managed to kill it in the end

[icy swift]

is it about the expedition?

i forget

the dr. Durant one

[icy swift]

only time will tell

[dense kelp]

true

[icy swift]

seeing how it was killing the sleepers, and then not doing anything to schaeffer, but striking a conversation with him miight hint that he is on the same side as of the humans?

so hopefully schaeffer doesnt kill it

[dense kelp]

i thought it got torn up by sleepers but recovered

it was making noise then got attacked right

[icy swift]

oh yea

my bad

but still, if creatures attacked it, it aint one of them

[dense kelp]

on rereading the logs, there might be separate occurrences

could be a mutation that found the HSU

[icy swift]

cause the sleepers are a nest-like things

[dense kelp]

maybe

maybe aliens

[icy swift]

also there are multiple of them

just saw the logs

do we have any theories on how Andrew died or what killed him?

[pastel knot]

ye

[icy swift]

it ended up giving us quite a bit of info tbh

like how the expedition was botched and who ended up screwing it

[dull merlin]

What is cfoam in lore?

[pastel knot]

:trollge_sad:

[graceful lotus]

coo-

no idea

[pastel knot]

jokes aside, there isn't any big info about it

[harsh saffron]

Construction foam

[pastel knot]

we just know it hardens fast

[harsh saffron]

Basically this
https://previews.123rf.com/images/plysuikvv/plysuikvv1805/plysuikvv180500001/100951467-construction-mounting-pu-foam.jpg

[icy swift]

oh yea that could be it

[harsh saffron]

the devs confirmed it once, so yeah ^^

[icy swift]

oh great

[sweet lark]

Wats that

[agile plinth]

he is the man talking in that log

the creature sounds around 15m away

[agile plinth]

yeah he's gone mad but he is quite against the warden

[agile plinth]

yes that was found the first time someone went through b1

[harsh saffron]

Schaeffer just runs rly fast between his questions and answering themselves

[agile plinth]

current theory is that it's something that mutated out of the bodies Gustavo wanted burned

since covered in ash, multiple bodies fused together

[agile plinth]

yeah i haven't head even ventriloquists do it that fast

[agile plinth]

check punk's theory on Gustavo's relations with SMC and the others

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jBbP19K92U3AlH2rXsUtKHtBkT0OGT3Fqx-1C2Z_B_U/edit?usp=sharing

[unborn steppe]

anyone know where to find recordings of the audiologs that play mid mission? Didn't pay attention to the lady talking in C1

[harsh saffron]

You can find them on the wiki (you'll have to scroll a bit until you reach the c1 logs)
https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/Rundown_6.0#Logs

[unborn steppe]

ty

[agile plinth]

oh my god duck what is this page

it's like 2km long with logs

[harsh saffron]

indeed

😄

[agile plinth]

damn

[harsh saffron]

logs will be sorted differently soon no worries

[agile plinth]

we need to make a separate page per rundown

would be easier to maintain and navigate

oh i now remember: there is a lore page

[harsh saffron]

what do mean? I like scrolling for 30 seconds every time im checking out a change and need to reach the bottom of the page again

slightly exaggerated

[agile plinth]

only slightly

when i get back home we should discuss wiki formatting

and I'll need to flood the wiki lore page

[harsh saffron]

#wiki-chat message

[agile plinth]

ah

[subtle verge]

Best part of new rundowns: more lore.

Worst part of new rundowns: waiting for more lore to make more outlandish theories.

[wild plank]

Yes

[scenic wagon]

big brain moment: just clicking the little scroll bar and dragging it, or clicking at where in the page you want to go with said side bar (clicking the part without a bar makes it jump to where you clicked.)

[harsh saffron]

that... that was the joke

[subtle verge]

[quick falcon]

[scenic wagon]

oh

r/woosh

[subtle verge]

Question:

If we call the big flying monster 'The Kraken' / 'Kraken' -- can we call the little flyers Kracklings?

Scientific names:

Kraken - Microcosmus >insert whatever here<

Kracklings - Microcosmus Membranaceus

[agile plinth]

no idea

the relation between them isn't fully known, so @subtle verge , you could

but it's not very future proof

[subtle verge]

It was more of a joke than anything else.

I saw someone in #gtfo-chat ask what the names of the flyers were, so I wanted to break the silence of the chat here.

[shadow vessel]

i call the little flying things velkoz

andf the big guy i call him khutulu

[wild plank]

I call the floaters Flying Polyps

[lilac island]

i go between meatballs, cacodemons, flying spaghetti monsters and a few others

[atomic hemlock]

can someone explain to lore to me?

who are the players and why are we there

and what even happened

[unborn steppe]

TLDR is private mining company found alien materials, unleashed a virus that went worldwide and the players left stuck following orders from an AI that's trying to fix everything

[half thistle]

The players are Bishop, Woods, Dauda, and Hacket, and they are all there for their own separate reasons.

Bishop is here because he worked for Santonian (or Drayfus, one of the two) and stumbled upon information regarding Davies, the CEO of Drayfus which, as we know it, is a company that has their hand in almost everything in the world. Bishop tried to blackmail Davies and was found out, so he was thrown into the middle of two warring countries. KDS was sent to stop the warring at some point, where they discovered Bishop to still be alive. Bishop tried to explain what Davies had done - he was not aware KDS was part of Drayfus - and they basically told him they erased all traces of his existence. They then entered him into the Legion program; the legion program is essentially where someone is stuffed into a cryopod for so long they forget everything about themselves and become a puppet for Drayfus.

Woods was a very religious man who shot 18 people dead for believing they went against god, after which he was shot 8 times himself. He survived and was essentially interviewed about why he did it before being thrown into the Legion program. Not much else there.

Dauda is very interesting. He joined Drayfus - particular the project at Garganta, where the complex is - because he was on the run from another company. In doing so he became a researcher for Drayfus and spent a long time working, supposedly performing human experiments; this is an assumption made on the basis that he had a nightmare where faceless people were screaming at him out of the side of their neck in pure hatred after he stabbed them with a needle, supposedly hinting he was experimenting on them with the Nam-V virus, the virus which likely turns people into sleepers. At a later point he has an audio log where he explains that the sleepers have overrun the facility, and that he will "die as a coward" before throwing himself in a cryopod. He also suggests that he created the monsters, but that could just be his feeling and not the whole truth.

Hacket, perhaps one of the most tragic characters, witnessed his own mother fall off a cliff when he was 5 years old, and accidentally shot his brother when he was 12 years old. He then worked for KDS, and at some point was told to keep some villagers or some sort at a site, but they tried to leave. He shot 20-30 dead and felt nothing for it, so he volunteered himself for the program because he saw it as some sort of "redemption."

There are other characters and other bits, but I haven't done as much reading/digging there. What I do know is Schafer, the madman we heard over the intercom at times, at one point worked for Drayfus before he caught wind of a massive explosion deep in the earth which he was not supposed to. He got caught having illegal conversations over the terminal systems and was then entered into the legion program, but he eventually broke out of his program and is now trying to fight back and "GTFO." There is also a log in this rundown that suggests Davies is dead and some other person takes over. I don't know much else- but I hope that helps for the characters

[dull merlin]

How many other prisoners are hinted in the logs?

[unborn steppe]

There's a log (R5D1) that says they planned to create enough storage space for 24,000 pods. No confirmation that they were ever "full" but it gives you an idea of how many they could potentially house.

[dull merlin]

So the warden literally has the option to go full soviet union and keep chucking bodies at the problem?

4 at a time

[icy swift]

there are a lot
we have identities of a 3-4 i think but most of them are dead
the one who is alive and is roaming around is Schaeffer

[unborn steppe]

Warden probably didn't have access to all of them at once. E1 of the last Rundown ended with you unlocking a room full of stored pods

[icy swift]

Think he did have access to a few of them
Cause we have had missions where we were distraction for other team of prisoners

[dull merlin]

Are prisoners we play “elite” prisoners because of their canon plot armour so warden chucks bishop n the gang to do highly dangerous missions? Or he just chucks in people indiscriminately?

[icy swift]

indiscriminately

we are expendable

[unborn steppe]

Yeah no doubt. I just meant it's probably why they couldn't send armies of 20 or so to storm through the complex

[icy swift]

we arent elite

[dull merlin]

For an ai trying to save the world that’s kinda stupid

[icy swift]

just that in the lore we survive all the missions and come back alive

[icy swift]

its motives are unkown atm

so we dont know if its trying to save the world (given that htere is something to save) or something else

[dull merlin]

At this point bishop n the gang the most op prisoners it has rn

[unborn steppe]

I saw it as a depressing reveal on the GTFO world. The outside is ruined from the virus and the Warden is stuck being programmed with an impossible objective.

[icy swift]

Not really, its just for the sake of the storyline he chooses us and we survive everything
so he keeps on chucking us back until we complete the obbjective or die

[dull merlin]

Oh

[icy swift]

in the lore, we manage to survive but had we been killed, then he would just pick another 4 prisoners and send them in

[unborn steppe]

Actually Im gonna do a random estimate on the prisoner count to humor myself

[icy swift]

there was a log where it was mentioned how many units they were gonna house

around 12k or something it was

dont quote me on the number

[unborn steppe]

There's the log where they can currently house 8k but plan to expand it to 24k by 2052 which im assuming worked

[icy swift]

right yes that one

[unborn steppe]

Ok so assuming the text you get at the start of every mission is the previous group sent in dying (which I always assumed), there's been 58 missions from rundown 1. 58 x 4 gets 232 so atleast that many prisoners have died

that's assuming we're always the second group sent in

[icy swift]

not sure if we are the second one in

could be first or nth group

[unborn steppe]

yeah i was being generous with a bare minimum

[icy swift]

and no way to verify

but yea 232 is nothing for the warden

[unborn steppe]

i dont think we're ever the first because then the text wouldnt make sense

[icy swift]

right
could be

[delicate creek]

just imagine a rundown's final level ending with the team dying instead of extracting, and next rundown its a new team

[unborn steppe]

that's honestly what I was expecting when they said they were adding character customisation. The original 4 would die or go MIA and join Shaeffer and from then on you get to customise your own prisoner

[obtuse jewel]

that's sounds dope

btw is there a place where i can find the audio logs without having to do the rundown again and record it?

[harsh saffron]

You can listen to them on the wiki
https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/Rundown_6.0#Logs
credit goes to chase for the audio files

[obtuse jewel]

thanks man

[dull merlin]

I want this to be canon so badly

[lilac island]

Hmmm I never realised the lore was behind all this - and that it's mimicking covid in a way lol. Very meta, would fit right in the new matrix movie :p

[analog frigate]

yeah well it goes very deep

[main spire]

gtfo movie when

[subtle verge]

@frail pollen Does the NDA prevent discussion about a potential movie in the future? 👀

For more lore?!

[frail pollen]

https://giphy.com/gifs/moodman-hQcrJZEQIpGtUEpzpi

[subtle verge]

[lilac island]

[raw island]

Is it possible that our prisoners are just imprinted with Woods/Bishop/Dauda/Hackett memories? That we could be just expendable bodies with copies of valuable brains? Schaefer asks if we’re really ‘us’ in the A1 audio, doesn’t he?

[subtle verge]

Probable, but I do not believe it to be the case. When I listen to the audio log, I think a little deeper in to the question he offers: "Are you really you?"

In my mind, he's asking if we are doing things on our own free will, or are we succumbing to the will of The Warden.

Essentially, he's not asking us blatantly if we're clones, but more a psychological, thought provoking, question.

[analog frigate]

we aren't clones since there has been no mention of that being a possibility

only that we are real people that then became who we are now

[waxen widget]

no clones

Chad theory all the way. 😎

[wild plank]

🇹🇩

[wild plank]

That sounds legitimately cool, but it has to be done right

There's gotta be like

A solid reason behind it

I don't think the community would take kindly to losing the lads we've grown to love through all 6, 7 if you count the beta, rundowns.

tbh now that I think about it I don't like it either

[ember goblet]

Jordy Fontella - E257
Works for Santonian Industries, lives and works in the Garganta complex, his contract forced him to do so, almost never saw daylight, therapy session with Dr. August Teale followed by drug injection, intentionally committed suicide while repairing a drill head, was hired as a technician, symbolizes the extreme working conditions inside the complex

[icy swift]

yes thats true

[ember goblet]

Ronnie Sullivan B197
Works in the cell biology department trying to get a handle on the symptoms of the NAM-V virus, ordered Dean Lockwood to set up 3 triage centers, is ordered to make disobedient people disappear and to enforce Project Insight's interest by any means necessary

GTFO so far has about 43 characters with their own personalities, their own tasks and some of them working as important key figures. Plus the 4 main characters, each with their own tragic story.

[shadow igloo]

It could only really work if we actively side with schaeffer and the warden is aware enough to recognize it, and dispose of us. limiting itself to just one(known) team of four

I highly doubt they'll take that path tbh

Its more likely we'll ultimately kill schaeffer in some way

[ember goblet]

I suspect that neither will happen, since with Schaeffer they have someone in the complex who, first, might still be alive and who, as a "prisoner," continues to provide us with sensitive information.

[icy swift]

agree with spectral
dont think we would kill him

[ember goblet]

I am currently writing my own story in German about GTFO based on facts and information. I call it "silent for eternity". It has an introduction, I speak from the point of view of the prisoners during their missions and about the stories of Bishop, Dauda, Woods and Hacket.

At the end of the stories about the team is the following sentence:

"Yes our pasts are unique to each of the 4 of us, but this path that defines our future together, as dangerous, horrific and frightening as it may be, led and welded us together. Everyone has their own strengths and weaknesses. Everyone is a part of this team, and this ... is our story."

[analog frigate]

technically but we have at least 2000 by estimates left into HSUs

[wild plank]

I wanna read it I wanna read it

Unfortunately I can't speak German so uhhh

[ember goblet]

@wild plank - a small segment gg

... A huge bridge to an oversized reactor room, as well as a barely countable number of supply boxes and lockers, the contents of which made our eyes light up in this situation. But ... Something was wrong, Bishop, our leader, who took our orders from this unknown but commanding voice, was frozen. He could hardly utter a word. His eyes were wide and staring into space. I shook him. "What's the matter. Say it. Come back to yourself. We need you here with a clear head."

He reminded us of an earlier small reactor and its effect on these ... Things ... We were just ordered to get this huge reactor working again. We armed ourselves to the teeth. Each of our bags was filled with ammunition, first aid packs, and our Sentrys were filled to the brim. Mines placed at tactically important positions, we started the sequence and the reactor behind us howled with a deafening noise. ...

[wild plank]

Love that

[ember goblet]

... That's ... damn ... that's a goddamned kid, wrapped in some kind of tarp, sealed in a pressure vessel. Looking around, we were shocked to see, several dozen such containers, and even more empty contraptions in which they were anchored.

But before we could demand an explanation, like an angry mob, we heard some voices as we suddenly slumped sleepily. "Your work, your effort was fabulous. Now sleep and forget what you have seen and heard. You will need new strength for Rundown 3..." ...

[wild plank]

delicium

I look forward to the entire release

[ember goblet]

alone it is a hard work to find the right words to give this story its emotional depth

[wild plank]

yes, yes

go on

:)

[ember goblet]

@wild plank It is not only the story that I write. I run the German GTFO fan page, which is still relatively unknown. I translate all the logs into German, have them checked, write out the side characters and create a single profile for each, so that in the course of time finding the connections is easier for me. 😛

But I stay on it. It just takes time.

This is a heart project for me.

[icy swift]

wew

thats impressive

[wild plank]

I am amaze

You impress me sir

[ember goblet]

For history, for example, it would be fascinating to me if I could put in writing how each opponent "sounds". For example, if I close my eyes on a scout, observe him with my inner eye and ask myself what his sounds sound like. So that one feels when reading the story exactly, yes that was a scout. ^^

[wild plank]

I always thought they sounded like a wildly malfunctioning police siren

But I'm a dummy, sooo...

[ember goblet]

But you know what i mean, that all is a part of a good story

in the middle instead of just being there 😉

[wild plank]

ye ye

[indigo gale]

Man, I'm looking up some lore videos on YouTube right now and there are so many interesting email files and audio logs.

[iron silo]

You know, I notice that from the very first trailer, it didn't seem like they were going to completely take the same route with the game's narrative as they did.

It feels more like the crew is in the Complex on a job. As in a paying job, and not there involuntarily. They do mention the Warden once, but other than that I just get the feeling like they're there for some kind of salvage operation.

Also it seems like Hackett was originally going to be named "North."

[analog frigate]

they are there not by their will

[subtle verge]

Definitely not the case at all. Lmao.

[analog frigate]

they have to do what the warden says

[subtle verge]

But, I do like the direction they're going with.

[analog frigate]

otherwise they'll be stuck in their HSUs

or disposed of

[iron silo]

Reason I think this, is because Bishop says something that's very weird of him to say.

Well, yes, we know that NOW, but I mean back then before the game even came out in early access.

[analog frigate]

what did he say

[iron silo]

They're burning through some big door and he says "This is good, man. This is good. This will trade." and then one of the others replies "Everything trades."

[analog frigate]

hmm

[indigo gale]

Quite disturbing that there are "neonate" HSUs too.

[subtle verge]

OH, the 2017 reveal trailer.

[iron silo]

Yeah.

I said that it SEEMS like ORIGINALLY the current narrative wasn't the plan.

[analog frigate]

i don't think they had thought out the lore back then

how they have gone now is pretty cool though

[iron silo]

It is, yeah.

Still, I wonder what the original plan was.

Definitely not what we currently have, because what we have right now is real crazy compared to the feeling that reveal trailer gave off. Went from "Let's go to this fucked complex full of monsters to find the NFT canisters." to "Let's be forced to bring infants in Hydrostasis to some ass-end of this mutant facility so we can hook it up to the Warden's gaming rig."

[wild plank]

Yes

[wild plank]

prbly more boring than the current one

[wild plank]

Oh, that reminds me, I have a good description of a Hybrid if you want it

[ember goblet]

Sends me at PM

[wild plank]

It's PM now

At least it is where I am

[analog frigate]

i think he asked to send him a dm

[ember goblet]

private message ^^

[wild plank]

Oh

I am the dum

[subtle verge]

At least you're self aware.

Just teasing.

[ember goblet]

feel free to send me anything that comes to mind. Ideas are always good, especially when it comes to a story

[wild plank]

👍

[indigo gale]

I wonder if we will find out more about this mysterious Legion Program in future rundowns?

Because hearing and reading about what's been uncovered right now has got me very intrigued.

[wild plank]

hmmm~

[analog frigate]

it's not really mysterious

it's a volunteer program by KDS to get more KSOs

[shut mountain]

It's not a volunteer one per say. Hackett volunteers cause he believes that it's the only way to redeem himself, all the others are taken into the program by force.

I do wonder if Hackett is a born psychopath. The website has a detail that very much implies (but not outright confirms) that the deaths that happened during his childhood might not have been as accidental as the media makes it look like. On the other hand however he realises that sometimes is wrong and that he is not meant to feel the way he does, which kinda goes against of the traits of a psychopath. So hello yes, I can give him my therapist's number as long as I can get to read the diagnosis LMAO. Any psychology majors here?

[warped wigeon]

Considering the audio logs from R5 it definitely doesn't sound like a volunteer program haha

[analog frigate]

he is probably a psychopath due to his childhood

[analog frigate]

ah sorry then

[shut mountain]

Psychopath stuff does not work like that as far as I am ware

Cant english today holy shit

aware

[analog frigate]

well he did see most of his family die

[shut mountain]

There is something similar to it thou

[analog frigate]

there's probably some connection to genetics that also caused it

[shut mountain]

Thats why I am not 100% confident about him being an outright psychopath. The website says, and I quote "Even as a child, his feral mind was a deadly force."

[warped wigeon]

Everyone except for Hackett was forced into the Legion program, though I don't think it was that explicit how Dauda got in

[analog frigate]

i imagine that he was very aggressive in behavior even before the whole traumatising thing happened

[shut mountain]

Childhood curiosity can be extremely cruel as children at certain age cannot comprehend the concept of death / since it is a taboo topic to talk about among people, especially children they can try to discover what that is by themselves. It's a really interesting topic.

Yeah, would be nice to know how aggressive he would be without HSU fluids going through his veins. During the two lore audio logs about him he seems to be someone who gets quite frustrated easily, but not outright aggressive, he seems to have some sort of control over that particular emotion. He seems to be on the top of things in a lot of voice lines, cracking jokes left and right despite the situations they are in - question is, does this come from the fact that this is his way of coping, OR he thinks that the situation they are in is actually not that bad a majority of the time and can afford to be somewhat lighthearted about it. Could be mix of both. Character analysis goes brrr.

But yeah the reason why I am not 100% confident of the psychopath thing is because the brain by default has this emotional switch

If depression, trauma...etc. gets to the point where it can actively harm the brain, your brain can turn off your emotions, or dull them down. I had a long talk about this with my therapist cause I was in one of these "trances" for months. You are fully aware that something is wrong, but you cannot find yourself to muster anything than the feeling of just existing. Hackett could also have this as a trauma response.

[analog frigate]

well this can't exactly be proven since there is no mental analysis log of his

but i agree

him being a psychopath is less likely

[shut mountain]

This is actually common to have these "emotion turn off" moments if you struggle with mental health, wouldnt be too far away.

I do think that him shooting his brother was more than likely not an accident thou.

[analog frigate]

this is making realise more and more that i need a therapist

[analog frigate]

probably

[shut mountain]

His mother possibly, the brother I don't think so. He makes the remark in one of the logs that he does not want to go home cause he would shoot his father in the head.

[analog frigate]

his brother could be not fully intentionally but a burst of emotion

[shut mountain]

Which could be viewed either as a threat, or a remark that he wants to avoid the situation

[analog frigate]

after that his mentality changed and he killed his mother fully aware of what he was doing

[shut mountain]

The death of his mother came before the death of his brother

[analog frigate]

oh

[shut mountain]

Off of the cliff she went

[analog frigate]

hmm

[shut mountain]

Either pushed, or was indeed suicide, really up for debate.

Would love to hear voicelines where the characters react to their own past like they did in past rundowns when hearing the logs

Just more in detail

Would be so cool

[analog frigate]

that's if they remember

[shut mountain]

We get to know about the characters in the past, but since their stories are all so complicated, and all different people I want to really crawl under their skin and get to know them. When you write a character, you need to pay attention to a lot of things, but my teacher would always list these 3 questions to be really important.
What do they think of themselves / Who do they think they are?
What do others think of them?
And what do we, as outside the people of the story think of them?
I would love to see these questions answered more in the future

We got like a taste of answers for these questions but I would love more depth to them, not just a taste if that makes sense

[analog frigate]

that depends on logic sadly

since

why would they have personal logs in some random places?

[shut mountain]

Oh no, not personal logs. The narrative has considerable expanded with the expedition progression triggered audios

[analog frigate]

ah

[shut mountain]

That gives them a lot more wiggle room and situations to explore.

As we are no longer tied to just the terminal and objectives.

[analog frigate]

yeah that would be nice to have

[indigo gale]

What's the deal with those Neonatal HSUs, by the way? I never played that rundown that had them, but were they used for some kind of "biological computer"?

[ember cave]

Be cool if we didn’t have to stay on terminal to hear Audio log lol

Like we gotta hold the play button or what? Let me sit my sledge on the kb

[analog frigate]

@lilac island could explain better than i would

[finite vine]

we are really not sure what they are used for. all we know is that we imprinted one and hooked it up to a neural frame.

[analog frigate]

i believe echo figured it out

[finite vine]

not really sure what imprinted means

[finite vine]

cool I would like to hear what he thinks

[indigo gale]

Its definitely very odd and freaky though that we're hooking up what most likely is a "baby" to this neural frame.

I use quotation marks there because of the fact that what's inside doesn't look like a human baby at all.

[analog frigate]

you'll find out soon enough

[indigo gale]

Especially when you think about the image they had for The Vessel rundown.

[warped wigeon]

What image was it?

[indigo gale]

The cover image.

https://cdn.akamai.steamstatic.com/steamcommunity/public/images/clans/31404391/a58e034589e0778b40ead0c9168fe66918fc17aa.png

[finite vine]

its a baby in a bag

[lilac island]

neonate HSUs seem to either be used to extract DNA or to encode DNA into them, based on the fact that when it's resuscitated, it says "DNA read/write enabled" on it's face. we can also extrapolate some information from the fact that Data Spheres are put into the same nFrames that the neonate was put into. we can presume that Data Spheres likely are storage devices for DNA as used as a storage medium because of the fact that the child was put into the nFrame. the neonate HSUs seem to be a means to an end so as to be able to use it, rather than to keep it safe and secure for the means of childrearing.

[warped wigeon]

[analog frigate]

there it is

[indigo gale]

Aha, that does make sense.

Still though, good grief, this is some royally messed up shit.

[finite vine]

wdym by "the neonate HSUs seem to be a means to an end"?

[indigo gale]

Like that maybe they're used as "USB drives" for whatever information that the Warden wants?

[lilac island]

we can also tell some information about HSUs in general from this. vital signs are only shown once resuscitated, meaning that while you're under, you are for all intents and purposes "dead". you're put into a state of extremely low body and brain activity. this can be further supported by the ficticious chemical "OSIP" or "Omega Sleep-Inducing Peptide", based off of DSIP or Delta Sleep-Inducing Peptide, which is a chemical naturally produced in the brain that seems to put humans in their lowest mental functioning

[lilac island]

that was to say, the HSU isn't just to keep the child safe so they can be raised safely, it's keeping them on ice to be used later for whatever they want to use them for. it's just keeping them in cold storage for no other purpose

[finite vine]

yea i remember DSIP

[finite vine]

ok dope

[warped wigeon]

Wow ok that's fucked up, it says 55 bpm so there's definitely a child alive in there

[indigo gale]

Yeah, extremely fucked up.

Or well, something that MIGHT be a child.

[warped wigeon]

yeah

[indigo gale]

The pod does get opened up eventually and, well....

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/gtfo_gamepedia_en/images/4/41/OpenedNeonate.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/250?cb=20200618024950

[finite vine]

yea it looks like a baby in a bag

[warped wigeon]

It seems like whatever is sin there needs to be alive since it has bpm, oxygenation and blood pressure readings

[finite vine]

yes, once you resuscitate it.

[indigo gale]

Thinking about it, it makes me think of the Bridge Baby pods from Death Stranding, except a bit more gruesome.

For reference, this is what a BB pod looks like in Death Stranding:

https://static1-us.millenium.gg/articles/2/67/62/@/70479-1168053-death-stranding-bebe-article-image-bd-1-article_image_bd-1.jpg

[warped wigeon]

yikes lol

GTFO seems more grimdark than horror sometimes

[indigo gale]

Yeah, especially with some of the emails and audio logs that have been found so far.

There are some indications of that whatever this infection is in the Complex might have gotten out to some extent.

[subtle verge]

The only thing that really stops GTFO from being Grimdark is the lack of a dystopian-like setting, but Garganta, the HSUs, and some other things definitely push that boundary.

[indigo gale]

Yeah, especially with how the HSUs turn people more and more into drones the longer they are kept inside them.

[warped wigeon]

Yeah makes sense

[indigo gale]

Their memories start to get erased while inside those pods for an extended period of time.

Which is what the Legion Program is about.

[finite vine]

Yea someone did a virus spread simulation with the r-Naught of NAM-V, which is like 17, and figured out that like 1.5 million people in the entire world are not infected/ dead.

[warped wigeon]

I'm interested in how Dauda actually got in because afaik it's only said that he put himself in hydrostatis as a last ditch effort to stay alive from the sleepers

Since I assume he was in the complex

[indigo gale]

AND the fact that he is sorry for unleashing this on the world.

[subtle verge]

Daraxus did the virus simulation. Was super neat.

[indigo gale]

That's important to note from the audio log.

[finite vine]

yep thats who it was. pretty cool.

[warped wigeon]

Yup, would be interesting to get some elaboration on that too

[indigo gale]

I imagine we will get more on Dauda in future rundowns.

He's currently the most mysterious of the lot, especially given the fact that he was being hunted by Interpol at one point.

[warped wigeon]

It makes me wonder if a future level might be "Find and kill Schaffer"

Though I suppose the Warden doesn't know of him yet?

[finite vine]

I think he was being hunted for his unethical medical experiments or something like that.

[warped wigeon]

Or know where he is

[finite vine]

Dr. Dauda probably had a reputation to be sought after for Project Insight.

[indigo gale]

Yeah, especially given the nightmare he had at one point that he needed to make an audio log about.

[analog frigate]

on how the virus spread?

[warped wigeon]

Dauda's relationship to the virus and what he did in the complex

Is what I meant

[analog frigate]

ah not sure about that

[indigo gale]

Again, we will probably get some more info on him in the future.

[finite vine]

Also I'm thinking that Red Alpha (the desert place) is most likely actually another planet instead of another dimension/ parallel universe.

[indigo gale]

Definitely not Mars though.

[analog frigate]

it's another planet in another dimension

the whole other dimension is due to quantum tethering being used

[finite vine]

why does quantum tethering have anything to do with another dimension

[analog frigate]

that's how it's hypothesised to work

you have two parallel or at least layered dimensions

[finite vine]

why do you have to have two parallel or layered dimensions

with quantum tethering

[analog frigate]

depending on how high it is you have a higher dimension being used e.g. 4d 5d

[analog frigate]

because they are interlinked in such a way

it doesn't work within the same dimension

[indigo gale]

Googling that, its certainly a very complex subject.

[analog frigate]

here is an example

[finite vine]

that's actually not how dimensions work. higher dimensions are not actually another place really, its more like a higher construct of space. a square is 2d, cube is 3d, tesseract is 4d, ect.

[analog frigate]

yes

4d is when time becomes a dimensional variable

[finite vine]

well that would not make sense anyway in relation to the desert planet. It would have to be a parallel universe.

[analog frigate]

yes

[subtle verge]

That's because it is a parallel universe.

[analog frigate]

i'm just explaining why they are interlinked

[finite vine]

but you said it would have to be another dimension?

[analog frigate]

and why it has to be a parallel universe if they are using that process

[finite vine]

or did i read wrong

[analog frigate]

it is a universe within another dimension

sorry if i fuck up some wording

[subtle verge]

How dare you not have English as a primary language. /s

[finite vine]

nah its all good, it just think ur overthinking it with all the dimension stuff, its probably just another universe. there is really no evidence that suggests another "dimension". or even another universe really.

[subtle verge]

It's my only language and I still fuck it up.

[analog frigate]

it's basically my primary language since i use it more than my native tongue

[finite vine]

quantum tethering is a made up word

[analog frigate]

it's quantum entanglement

just differently said

[finite vine]

how do you know its quantum entanglement?

quantum entanglement is a very different thing

does not really require different dimensions or parallels universes to work with its explanation

at least thats what im aware of

[analog frigate]

i'm drawing up some garbage in paint with my mouse real quick

[subtle verge]

Yes, and no. It's akin to saying a square is a rectangle, but a rectangle isn't a square.

Quantum teleportation/tethering is a sum of the process of quantum entanglement.

[finite vine]

I don't think so...

[subtle verge]

It's a tether at super tiny scale, when something happens on tether point A, it also happens on tether point B.

It's a link, essentially.

[analog frigate]

there

[finite vine]

well that checks out with entanglement

[analog frigate]

yes

what happens is they switch positions

when you teleport, you switch all your particles with all the particles you will take up in Red Alpha

that's why when you teleport in B1, the rocks behind you are carved out

[finite vine]

if this were to be true, you would have to already exist in red alpha.

[analog frigate]

you don't

the particles you will replace do

[finite vine]

so your saying that a human body in red alpha is made up of rock particles

[analog frigate]

when you move on Earth, you move on Red Alpha, at least the projection of where you will end up

[indigo gale]

Wouldn't be surprised if there's still more to learn about Red Alpha.

[analog frigate]

it doesn't exist there

[subtle verge]

No, he's saying that the particles get swapped places.

[finite vine]

ok, so the rocks my particles swap with will be transported to earth

[subtle verge]

Correct

[analog frigate]

you don't exist on Red Alpha until you replace particulates

[finite vine]

and walk around when i walk around

[analog frigate]

yes

[finite vine]

?? there is no evidence of that occurring.

[analog frigate]

no

[subtle verge]

They don't walk around when you do

The only thing that's happening is the sender/receiver on Point A and Point B of the tether swap places.

[finite vine]

still no evidence of that occurring, that im aware of. its an assumption off of the word quantum tethering means quantum entanglement.

[analog frigate]

imagine this: all the particles you have are here on Earth and are in no way interacting (ignore the quantum scale for now) with each other. then, when you teleport, you just switch out all the particles of a specific location, that being a sort of projection of where you will end up.

in what way, there is only a projection of sort on Red Alpha

and that's where you will teleport to

but the particles there remain unaffected until you actually do

there is one issue with this though

if those dimension could be offset or they have to be truly parallel

if they cannot be offset, then Red Alpha is some version from Earth from another dimension

[pastel knot]

we theorizin tunneling now?

[analog frigate]

if they can, it's just another planet

[finite vine]

still don't understand how another dimension has anything to do with it.

[analog frigate]

i've been since i first finished B1

[analog frigate]

because otherwise, they are not entangled

it is a connection between particles within two different parallel dimensions

in the same dimension it doesn't work

[finite vine]

ah ok i understand now

still a large claim to make thou which is ok for a theory

[analog frigate]

yeah

this works

[finite vine]

where is that image from

[analog frigate]

this doesn't

[analog frigate]

i'm making them in paint

[finite vine]

even the graph?

[analog frigate]

i just needed two parallel planes to draw on

since i'm not an artist and can't really draw that with my mouse

[finite vine]

i was just wondering if it was from an article or something so I could read it

because I have never heard of parallel dimensions before

[analog frigate]

oof well there's a lot of stuff

it's science fiction

only theorised

[subtle verge]

I think the more consumed term is 'multiverse' these days.

Used to be a big science fiction trope.

[finite vine]

multiverse is an entire other universe

[analog frigate]

yes and no

[subtle verge]

But I think more people recognize the term multiverse due to the MCU.

[analog frigate]

depends

[analog frigate]

yeah and that's one type of multiverse

the term can be used differently

but parallel dimensions are a theorised thing

i have no idea how to explain it without it sounding very nonsensical

[finite vine]

here, you are saying that our particles from earth are swapped out with particles from red alpha in a parallel dimension?

[analog frigate]

yes

[finite vine]

cool, so what does projection have to do with that

[subtle verge]

I think, as much as I don't care for it, Rick & Morty explain parallel universe/multiverse theory the best.

In Parallel Universe A, there's us. In Parallel Universe B, there's us except we all have a mustache, etc. etc.

[analog frigate]

i tried to explain that there is no connection until that occurs

[analog frigate]

basically you can imagine a projection of where you will end up

but there isn't actually anything

[finite vine]

yea I get this, but parallel dimensions are apparently different.

[analog frigate]

a dimension contains the universe

if the dimension is parallel, the universe will also be

[pure panther]

are there any unsolved riddles or secrets in r6 that we know of?

[subtle verge]

The only one that I was/am aware of was the brainFuck code, but that was solved a few days after release (in the pins).

[analog frigate]

nothing that we can figure out with the information we have currently

[pure panther]

any interesting terminals that are worth taking a look at?

[finite vine]

can u send me a link or something for parallel dimensions if u have any.

[analog frigate]

you can check the wiki

infinite duck posted all the logs on there

[analog frigate]

i'll find some sources

otherwise i have to search for a lot of books

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_universes_in_fiction

i suppose this has some information about it

[finite vine]

cool thanks i get it now

[analog frigate]

and citations as well

[finite vine]

I don't see why its not possible for all of this to exist without the parallel universes or dimensions. Looking at quantum entanglement and quantum waves, this could all be possible without parallel universes or dimensions.

its probably because this stuff is really abstract.

[analog frigate]

it's the wording that makes it that

[analog frigate]

extremely

i've spent a lot of time figuring out time and dimensions

it's a difficult thing to wrap your mind around

[finite vine]

I guess its good to look at everything that seems possible.

[analog frigate]

also if this is really the case, it's much simpler for it to work than for it to be explained

[finite vine]

I know you spent like 20 min trying to explain to me why you think a parallel dimension is required, but I honestly think this is all in the realm of occurring within our universe/ dimension. You don't have to explain it to me again thou lmao, I'm sure we will eventually talk about it later.

[analog frigate]

probably will

[finite vine]

I probably like to leave out all the parallel stuff because it really is mostly science fiction.

[analog frigate]

it's nice to talk about a topic i'm familiar with

[finite vine]

you a physicist or something

[analog frigate]

well science fiction is pretty much a lot of this game

[analog frigate]

nah just interested in it

[finite vine]

true, but a lot of it can be explained with science

[analog frigate]

i suppose a lot has real world explanations but it's still known to be impossible within our universe

[analog frigate]

yeah

lore, lore, lore

such a simple game, but when you try and figure it out, it causes a lot of headaches

[shut mountain]

Honestly, I kinda agree that the whole dimension thing is just badly presented rn, more so when it comes to pacing.

It's a really unique and absolutely great stuff but they did a too big of a jump of pacing here when it comes to setting up their universe.

We went from mentioning possibly space trips and virus to dimensions. Either it's badly communicated with wording that "dimensions" IS space, or there are just too many gaps for my liking

Very personal opinion but lore wise I really don't like how they were introduced

[fluid belfry]

do we know the name of the chick that interviews the boys after waking them up?

[dim scroll]

probably

[analog frigate]

if i remember her name was Stokes

[dim scroll]

I recall a leaked audio from R5 in which schaeffer talks with her iirc ?

[analog frigate]

at least the voice is similar to her

[dim scroll]

Also yes the other dimension thing was just a really bad idea imo

[analog frigate]

yeah this is just an idea of mine and i need to find how to present it properly

[fluid belfry]

nah I think Stokes is a different person

[dim scroll]

it's become a deus ex machina at this point

[analog frigate]

it's quite underdeveloped but kinda makes sense

i just have to figure out how to actually make it sound proper

[fluid belfry]

tbh I think that we weren't transported to another dimension but we were transported to Mars

[dim scroll]

I don't think so

Remember that C1 has water

on surface

Not to mention our chars can still breath

[analog frigate]

we've ruled out mars a long time ago

[fluid belfry]

oh

I'm assuming you've also ruled out that we were transported to Earth's surface

[analog frigate]

yes

[dim scroll]

What i find interesting is how C1's structure is perfectly fine whereas D1's structure is completely messed up

As if we did a time leap

[analog frigate]

the kraken attacked Alpha 1

[dim scroll]

In-between C1 & D1 ?

[analog frigate]

in C1 we only see a part of it

not the broken one

[fluid belfry]

Ravenna writing a whole novel over here

[analog frigate]

eh

normal

[fluid belfry]

Did the Red Alpha ever reach Mars?

[dim scroll]

wot

[analog frigate]

don't mistake Red Alpha and Red Alpha

one is a name for mars

but we use the same for the planet

since

sand

[shut mountain]

GTFO uses what movie analysis would call "distributed exposition". It's the opposite of the "concentrated exposition", which is basically "tell the exposition in one big package". Distributed as it's name suggest means that the exposition is never delivered to the audience in one big block, but sprinkled throughout the entire story, so the player/watcher has this forever going mystery, and when you consume the product you basically build an either strong or absolute idea about the story, which is the opposite of concentrated where you get a really firm and unshaken conclusion. Hats off to GTFO for doing this type of storytelling, cause this is a million times more complicated but since distributed already relies on the consumer putting together theories on theories, tossing something this extreme into the ring that also seemingly somewhat does not fit into the universe as it has no proper introduction just makes it feel "off". Not neccesarily bad, but it will create a de-attachment, which is why I think a handful of people have issues with how the dimensions were introduced.

[shut mountain]

I'm just a non-native English speaker, pls forgib 😭 Takes me a while to type

[dim scroll]

I think it's not even about how dimensions were introduced

It's literally about why introducing dimensions

[analog frigate]

here's the thing: the whole dimension thing doesn't change anything

[fluid belfry]

You're fine!

[analog frigate]

literally nothing

[dim scroll]

Mention dimensions & you just can do whatever you want to the story

[analog frigate]

i'm just trying to explain how we go where we go

[analog frigate]

not really

[fluid belfry]

I haven't heard of Mars referred to as Red Alpha

[dim scroll]

Still gives you plenty of possibilities

[analog frigate]

because i'm still trying to go by logic

dimensions can mess things up

but they can't have been utilised in GTFO

only thing SMC has managed to do is teleport to Red Alpha

[analog frigate]

one of the earliest logs in the timeline

[dim scroll]

Did they mention how they created the MWP ?

[placid basin]

It’s basically FNAF

[dim scroll]

Or if they found it ?

[analog frigate]

made it i believe

since they use a crystal in the middle

[dim scroll]

i swear i feel i'm going back 10 years into the past with Black Ops' Zombie mode's lore

"hey we found a new element, for some reason we can teleport into other dimensions with it"

[analog frigate]

pretty much

[dim scroll]

well the crystal definitely is iridium

we can even see it on red alpha

[fluid belfry]

I'm looking on the GTFOWiki and the only time the logs say "Red Alpha" is when they're referring to the shuttle

[analog frigate]

no

it's not iridium

since

iridium exists in the real world

and as far as i know, it doesn't teleport you

[dim scroll]

Doesn't mean they didn't find another use to it in GTFO

[fluid belfry]

Have you ever touched Iridium?

[dim scroll]

Although by logic you'd consider a brand new element

[fluid belfry]

[analog frigate]

they mentioned 2 workers immediately disappeared when touching and uncoated piece of crystal

[dim scroll]

In that case i wonder what iridium has to do with it

Yikes

[analog frigate]

the mine was made to mine iridium

[dim scroll]

Now it's the dwemer's story

[analog frigate]

since the price skyrocketed

[dim scroll]

So iridium is nothing but a false lead

[analog frigate]

nope

[dim scroll]

purely related to the reason for making the complex

[analog frigate]

yup

[dim scroll]

epic

[analog frigate]

then we have cretasium

but then there was no mention that it could teleport you

in the analysis and just generally when it was mined

so that's ruled out as well

crystals appear to be a different thing

[fluid belfry]

I'm sure they can just write in a thing like "when you combine Iridium and another mineral it will teleport you!"

[analog frigate]

well there are no signs that's the case so

[fluid belfry]

@analog frigate btw I don't think you responded to this

[analog frigate]

ah

sorry

[fluid belfry]

you're good

thoughts?

[analog frigate]

yeah that's the only log mention

but we use the name Red Alpha for the planet

[dim scroll]

What's interesting is how we never saw these crystals aside from the MWP

[analog frigate]

we do

[dim scroll]

do we ?

[analog frigate]

B1

[dim scroll]

i never saw them

[fluid belfry]

Who is we?

[analog frigate]

we as in the players

[dim scroll]

on red alpha ?

[analog frigate]

yes

everywhere

[dim scroll]

i mean on earth

[analog frigate]

no

on earth only on the back of floaters that teleport in

[dim scroll]

So i expect them to be seen when closer to the expected depth

around 2km iirc ?

[analog frigate]

yeah

but we probably won't see them on the meteorite as we do on Red Alpha

[fluid belfry]

so Red Alpha is never mentioned as Mars aside from the community.

[analog frigate]

it is

that singular log

[dim scroll]

i recall we don't know what's the gigantic structure we see on the ceiling of R4C2

or more recently R6D4 in the charger part

[analog frigate]

hmm

[fluid belfry]

I don't think so. It says "The crew of Red Alpha", "the engines will send the Red Alpha screaming up and out of the atmoshpere", "Red Alpha is scheduled to take flight",

[analog frigate]

but the wiki page for red alpha isn't here

[analog frigate]

then i have no idea

some parts of the wiki are missing

the article about Red Alpha isn't here for some reason

[fluid belfry]

ok

which level is that found in?

I'll go looking for it

[dim scroll]

wat

[analog frigate]

found what?

[dim scroll]

the log about red alpha ?

[fluid belfry]

yeah

WAIT

It's rundown 5

nvm

[analog frigate]

that's a past rundown

[fluid belfry]

I realized that after I sent the message

I just remembered

I took screenshots of logs I came across

And I've been doing it for a while

I'm gonna check to see if I took a screenshot of that log

[analog frigate]

well you can just look in the wiki

duck put all the logs from R6 there recently

[fluid belfry]

I thought you said that didn't have all of it?

[analog frigate]

and everything from R5 is there as well

[analog frigate]

not logs, an article missing

[fluid belfry]

A GTFO article?

[analog frigate]

in the wiki yes

[fluid belfry]

gotcha

Well, for what it's worth the Article in R6 about Red Alpha refers to the ship

so

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[analog frigate]

well then

it's now not mars

twice

[fluid belfry]

so could it be that we got transported to Mars then?

[analog frigate]

no

[fluid belfry]

welp

[analog frigate]

this is the second time we've confirmed it as not mars

[fluid belfry]

OH

I'm fuckin dumb

sorry

[analog frigate]

it's aight

[fluid belfry]

I feel like I just wasted your time lmao

[analog frigate]

nah

time is never wasted in the lore channel

every question answered is a good thing

[fluid belfry]

✨ KNOWLEDGE ✨

[analog frigate]

well that's what i'm here for

now that i think about it, literally the only thing i've done in the community is lore

but anyway

it's 5 in the morning

and i'm going to sleep

[fluid belfry]

bruj

[analog frigate]

good night

[fluid belfry]

go to sleep

goodnight

[analog frigate]

sleep is overrated

but i'll need 3 hours

[subtle verge]

Hmm.. I'll await the Daraxus pen-to-paper with the dimensions thing, but I just had a moment of brain power.

I wonder if the warping that we experience isn't alternate dimension jumping, but a very... advanced form of space manipulation? I forget the exact term, but where you the person, or object, pull time and space towards you, instead of you traveling that time and space?

So instead of the dimensional travel idea, we instead just have a very advanced version of folding time and space to "jump" to where we aim a coordinate at?

[analog frigate]

space time bending?

[analog frigate]

black holes then?

[subtle verge]

I'm not entirely sure, I've only heard it in passing, so I can't tell you for sure but I do know that it's a plausible theory for real-world space travel.

[analog frigate]

ah i remember

wormholes

[subtle verge]

Something like that.

I just remember it because there was a... sci-fi book(?), theoretical science article(?), that talked about collapsing time and space to shorten the distance between two points.

But a fear of that theory is that it might have the potential to create black holes or even collapse the integrity of the universe.

Not to mention an ungodly amount of power consumption.

[analog frigate]

it's wormholes

but that requires so much power

[subtle verge]

I'll believe it, sounds familiar from what I remember from over a year ago.

[analog frigate]

or gravitational force

it's possible

since

science fiction

but very weird to be the case

[subtle verge]

Even without the wormhole theory, it could just be some form of planar manipulation if we choose to ignore the idea of different dimensions.

I remember reading a study many moons ago about how researchers were able to manipulate a photon/electron/somekindatron to "jump" an incredibly small fraction of distance before it died out.

But I forget how they did it. With lasers, I think?

I'm taking it with a grain of salt, because I thought: "What if we're looking at the terminology all wrong? What if..."

And my thought process becomes: quantum jumping. What if the 'quantum tether' is just terminology used to keep a data transfer from point A to point B over an incredible distance? Things like voice comms, data transfer, a 'safety line' to home base in the event you need to get back?

[red steppe]

nahh broo you just gotta believe

ok i'm gonna leave this channel because i know i'll just mess around

[subtle verge]

Our universe is so incredibly massive, I mean millions of galaxies, some of which we'll never see because they travel faster than light. Who knows the possibilities of life forms, viruses, microbial life that exist beyond our solar system? Hell, even in the other solar systems within our own galaxy?

Idk, I just think that maybe we're looking at the terminology wrong and jumping the gun by calling it dimensional travel.

When it could just be a distance of insane measure within our own universe.

[analog frigate]

but then that assumes this whole thing is happening in our universe

hypothetically could explain how the meteorite ended up here

and not by accidental crystal activation

oh my god

this could change how sleepers are entirely

but then it doesn't make sense

hmm

[subtle verge]

I mean, things on Earth require carbon to sustain life, but what about the possibilities outside of Earth?

Idk, get some sleep. I'll write any other thoughts I have while playing Runescape and pass them off to you in the morrow (provided I have anything worth salt).

[analog frigate]

aight

i'll read and respond to them tomorrow

just write em here

[subtle verge]

Yessir. Have a good night!

[fast radish]

quantum tether

[finite vine]

i think its just normal teleportation/ worm holes

[fast radish]

quantum tether

[subtle verge]

LIke I said, it was just me having a moment of thought.

I'm almost convinced that we're looking at the terminology in a wrong light.

[finite vine]

so you are suggesting that we are not teleporting?

quantum tether probably means a way to keep the portal open/ keep some telemetry/ location data attached to us once we have jumped.

[subtle verge]

No, no, I'm saying that I think the idea of dimensional travel is wrong.

[finite vine]

yea

i agree

[subtle verge]

I'm thinking the quantum tether is just a fancy way of saying: "long distance data transfer"

[finite vine]

probably a way to connect a data stream to us once we are on the other side of the wormhole/ portal

the thing is, the jump does not create a worm hole/ portal, which is why its called a "jump". which is probably why a quantum tether is necessary to keep data moving to us on red alpha without it taking 1000000 years when we are probably millions of lightyears away from earth.

fastest speed is light speed. if where we are traveling to is light years away, communication will be very slow.

[subtle verge]

Right. My thoughts as of now (keep in mind I've not made any sense of this myself just yet, nor have I made any written format yet):

The crystals are just catalysts, beacons, for travel between one place and another. The travel to and fro is just a quantum leap to an incredible distance, so with a lot of math and sciency shit, all of a sudden we have a tether between Point A (Garganta) and Point B (Red Alpha) which allows real-time communication, data transfer, and a 'door', for lack of a better term.

The 'door' being the travel to and back.

[finite vine]

yep

i really dont think we are going to another dimension/ parallel universe

[subtle verge]

And I really don't think we have to change anything about the biology of the sleepers outside of what new things we learn over time.

As was Daraxus' fear.

[finite vine]

Sleepers are probably a result of experimentation on humans

[subtle verge]

Very possible, especially with insight to Dauda's log.

[finite vine]

Problem is though, I do remember a log from Schaffer describing an event that occurred while they were digging below 1500 meters. The drill broke through the egg and into an open space, and sleepers started to pour out of it, almost like sleepers already existed before they started to explore the egg.

Idk that was just something I remembered wondering about while re-reading the logs about a week ago, I could be mistaken.

[next kestrel]

so like, teleporting, whats up with that

[fluid kraken]

You go from point a to point b very fast

[subtle verge]

More or less: we don't necessarily know 100%, what we do know is that there's a reason why it works, and there's a reason the crystals (Matter Wave Projector) are what allow us to do so.

Very TL;DR of what we know so far.

Actually, the massive conversation just above is theorizing the possibilities of what kind of travel that we do.

[small bobcat]

anyone got transcription of the audio logs in this rundown?

[subtle verge]

Check out the GTFO Fandom wiki! Infinite Duck and Chase have been hard at work getting everything thrown there. 🙂

[small bobcat]

noice, thanks

[harsh saffron]

When you are gone for 6 hours and there are 350+ new messages in #gtfo-lore

[solar nova]

I saw there were some bombshell lookin' logs added to wiki.

[icy swift]

could the sigma and tau gen of KSOs be classified on the further generation of DSIP?

[icy swift]

hate when that happens ffs
i miss all the discussion cause of timezone

[harsh saffron]

just tell daraxus to go to sleep earlier than 5 am, problem solved ^^

[icy swift]

if i miss another discussion, i actually will tell xD

[icy swift]

if that is the case that crystals are a doorway to another planet in same direction, it was mentioned in DT-E105-009, the conversation between edgar and Teale (psychologist?) that a sleeper appeared and vanished into thin air. Could it be that it got teleported out through the crystal door to its own planet?

also appeared out of nowhere

[solar nova]

Teale should have just told him that if players are too spread out enemies sometimes spawn on top of you.

[icy swift]

xD

[harsh saffron]

Btw just my own headcanon for the whole warp stuff:
Since they make a big deal saying that there is "no sign of biological life" and "I don’t know how anything could survive here though, there’s no obvious food sources and the soil appears to be barren", it immediately made me think of other science fiction stories where they seemingly travelled to a barren, strange and deadly planet only to find out that it's actually earth, but after some catastrophic event (aka nuclear war, virus, zombies etc.). You know, social commentary and all that ^^
Also the line "Chrono stopped, I'm getting non-temporal progression" adds to the whole time theory.

This theory would have made even more sense if the D4 stuff was lore relevant, which it isn't sadly 😦

Could be completely wrong tho and I liked all the other theories here as well (didn't read every single word but still)

[topaz flare]

its a good headcannon

[icy swift]

So we have 2 theories, both of which are plausible atm and no way to confirm

[topaz flare]

i mean the other side very much looks like mars

and no we dont

[icy swift]

i think we should consider punks theory

it can be another planet frrom same dimension

[topaz flare]

aka mars

[harsh saffron]

pocket dimension stored within the data cubes and MWP

[topaz flare]

and knowing that the whole complex thing happened cause of a meteor hitting the earth

[icy swift]

cant be mars
we are breathing there without suits

plus it has water

[topaz flare]

we have masks and suits that can survive 900+ meters underground

[harsh saffron]

yeah but durant said the atmosphere is tolerable
and you could survive a few hours without any masks

[icy swift]

^

[topaz flare]

true true

but we cant really know anything for sure

as well

you know

dont have enough info

but about the warden we can come up with something

and what our role in this damn mess is

[icy swift]

but its almost certain its not mars 😛

[icy swift]

we be brainless pawns

[topaz flare]

i dont think we are that bad

[icy swift]

we are skilled
just we dont have our own will

[topaz flare]

i have my head cannon but everyone says it cant be it so i want to hear more theory's

[harsh saffron]

forgot part of my reasoning for my headconon:

We have located the vegetation capsule we sent through three days ago, but it didn’t survive the jump. The capsules must have popped open during transit, the plants have been exposed and withered away to nothing. Although the soil in the capsule is bone dry. I prepped these plants myself and when they left my lab, the soil was saturated. And even in this environment the plants should have survived weeks but they look like they died months even years ago. It makes me wonder if there’s something in this atmosphere we’re not picking up.
Hm, plants looks like they died years ago you say???

[topaz flare]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[icy swift]

yes, that makes a strong point for time as another dimension

[harsh saffron]

but even then, durant thinks its just something in the atmosphere so 😄

maybe hes wrong tho

[topaz flare]

thats cool and all but im still confused how bishop is a programmer and a security officer

[icy swift]

programmer??

[harsh saffron]

thats ez, one second

At 11:30 last night, we officially switched on BIOCOM. We have been smoke testing every system all night and have a 100% pass rate.

It is not yet hooked up to the actual pods (I’m guessing Mr. Johanson will want to be present for that) but we gave it 200 virtuals to play with, and it delivered full objective stacks to each one with no problems. It also administered PRDMs to any VOs whose files indicated skill deficiencies, both explicit and implicit. We cross checked every decision BIOCOM made, and we agreed with it every time.
Basicly, ppl who didn't have a good training get pumped full of drugs until they can perform at decent levels

PRDMs are boosters btw

[topaz flare]

hold'up that doesn't sound good

[harsh saffron]

The Employer undertakes to hire the Employee as a network technician with the period of the contract being from 05/18/2017 to 06/01/2020.

Frank Bishop (hereafter referred to as the Employee)*

[icy swift]

ohh right

forgot about that one

thats how he ended up as a kso
he blackmailed the CTO after that

[harsh saffron]

clever move, bishop

[topaz flare]

he gets a slow clap for that one

[finite vine]

it’s completely possible that time moves faster on red alpha relative to time on earth. time dilation. in order for this to happen, red alpha would have to be traveling through the universe really slowly compared to earth, or be within the effect of a very weak gravitational field, both of which seems unlikely. it could be possible that there is some kind of exotic matter that could be causing the time dilation, but that is largely science fiction.

[lilac island]

OSIP is just a chemical used to put someone into hydrostasis. i don't know what you mean by the further generation of DSIP. if you mean that they would be using OSIP instead, then yeah, but it has nothing to do with being a specific generation of KSO. any hydrostasis unit would presumably require the omega peptide to put someone into the artificial cryptobiosis that the hydrostasis is

[icy swift]

no like in the future they develop further forms of OSIP and name them tau and sigma, and then classify the KSOs based on them? its a stupid theory tbh

[whole flicker]

is there any good youtube videos to get me started on the lore?

I like to know all of whats going on in the audio recordings too

[icy swift]

wait ill see if i can get anything

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIN12HX-ebk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6o4DjIwPhQ

scaler has a few more which you can check up on his channel @whole flicker

[lofty cave]

guys

can somebody send me log when it says that biocom is hacked?

or where to look

Thank you friend!

so this is from the decoded message>

?

[harsh saffron]

serefim decoded the bottom part, the stuff after
"WRDN.4nl@ne"

Wasn't there a way to hide most of a message so it doesn't block too much?

[small bobcat]

maybe you could put it in a .txt file instead, i think it integrates but im not sure

[harsh saffron]

oh yeah good idea

[harsh saffron]

perfect thats it, thx

[small bobcat]

nice, so it does integrate

and, i have a feeling that this implies the warden was not exactly biocom, per se

[icy swift]

No

Biocom waas a system implemented by Kovac

to carry out tasks and management of Garganta

Warden took over BIOCOM

someone did it intentionally and now Warden has full control over BIOCOM

[icy swift]

This you can find out on the Wiki page where audio logs have been turned into transcripts

[small bobcat]

my crew made the jump in the warp room right away, so i didnt hear that audio log until the end and assumed that it was an actual crew preparing our jump lmao

[icy swift]

no no, that was an audio log

from a previous jump

[small bobcat]

yeah, i went and caught up on the logs and stuff

was a bit disappointed tbh

[icy swift]

cool cool

why th

though*

[small bobcat]

i was first expecting to have at least a few other people with us after hitting that HSU storage back in R5

and my first reaction went off with that assumption so yeah

[icy swift]

ah
will you be more disappointed to know there are either 1.5 million or less than 150,thousand (depends on how the virus spreads) people left in the world?

[small bobcat]

not really lmao

[icy swift]

😛

[small bobcat]

but does that mean the world is now facing widespread sleeper invasion?

[whole flicker]

Ty my man

[harsh saffron]

Don't think we have heard about any sleepers outside of Garganta but then again, we only have like ~5 logs total from the outside

[small bobcat]

i heard about the virus so i just went off from there, assuming that it created the sleepers

but then again i dont know anything lmao

[cobalt mulch]

b1 if you run along the mountain wall on the right, you come across a small tent/hut w/ a few dead people -models, one of them is a dead, hunched over sleeper convertee, still wearing pants..

(assuming of course 😄 )

[lilac island]

i think that's further off-base. sigma and tau would just refer to the generation of KSOs being used. they'd likely be trained in batches and called by greek letter names to refer to each batch.

[icy swift]

not sleeper
NAM-V virus

[small bobcat]

so the virus was just a disease, not sleeper material?