gtfo-lore

[subtle verge]

However, it has been known to be caused by inhaling toxic fumes, nervous system conditions, and high altitudes, etc.

[leaden dagger]

yeah, could be possible

but very specific

[subtle verge]

Right.

I guess the other issue with thinking PE is: disinfectant stations essentially cure us of whatever it is.

[leaden dagger]

yeah those disinfect stations are kinda wack

causing issues since inception

[subtle verge]

10C more lore pls

[leaden dagger]

@frail pollen can u pls tell the writers to give us lore about the fog?

[frail pollen]

🐸

[analog frigate]

frog repeller

still waiting to see a setting in gameplay to enable the VAs to say frog repellers

[leaden dagger]

yuh

I'm eating lunch rn but can start workin on the essay w you afterwards @analog frigate

[analog frigate]

aight

[finite vine]

how is it already ruled out?

[leaden dagger]

it was discussed like a month ago. 1 sec

this is the start of the convo

@finite vine

and if you do any research on what NAM-V was and what it did, you'd know it wouldn't make sense

[subtle verge]

Could it potentially be something along the lines of Cretasium mixing with water?

[finite vine]

thats true symptoms dont match up

[subtle verge]

For example, sodium mixed with water causes explosive results.

[finite vine]

there would really be no way to tell

[leaden dagger]

I'm pretty sure they found cretasium to be non toxic

[subtle verge]

Gotcha.,

[leaden dagger]

I could be wrong

but I'm pretty sure yeah

[finite vine]

infection most likely comes from the spitters, so imho the infection is probably some made up chemical

[analog frigate]

they researched cretasium and there was no mention of toxicity

[leaden dagger]

thanks daraxus

[analog frigate]

np

[finite vine]

there is not really enough evidence to determine the direct chemical that causes the infection, if it even exists at all

[leaden dagger]

maybe, but there's lots of neurotoxins out there that could ezplain it

we can make some good guesses though

[finite vine]

true. I would look into toxins that are made naturally by organisms. since the infection is most likely made by an organism like the spitter

[leaden dagger]

could be industrial too

lots of possibilities here

[vague loom]

Hi yes

[subtle verge]

The hardest part of that, though, is that we're possibly dealing with something that is new to science or undiscovered.

[leaden dagger]

sup grem

[analog frigate]

hey grem

[vague loom]

The doctor (almost) is here.

[leaden dagger]

wait you're studying to be a doctor?

[subtle verge]

That's a badass doctor name, though. "Dr. Grem"

[vague loom]

In general the signs of an infection is labored breathing, increased heart rate and a generally reduced condition

[leaden dagger]

Dr Grem lmao

I like it

[vague loom]

It's also counteracted by specific agents.

Where we need kits or agents to block it.

[leaden dagger]

and also it was in the complex for long enough they made disinfect stations for it

so probably before they ever encountered sleepers

so spitters were something entirely new

[vague loom]

In which case; there's a few things that could be happening.

Toxins affecting humans can generally be splint into three types: neuro, hemo, and cyto

It's not cytotoxic, or we'd be dissolving on the spot.

[leaden dagger]

true

[vague loom]

It's not hemotoxic because we're not clotting out the oiseaux

So it'd be some sort of neurotoxin.

[finite vine]

idk... they probably have some relation to sleepers.

[vague loom]

We're also seeing something that looks like an anti-acetylcholinesterase in action. Our sympathetic nervous system is amping up (fight or flight; increased breathing and heart rate) while our parasympathetic is getting dampened (difficulty in muscular movements, general spasticity leading to taking more damage, muscle cramps preventing us from reaching full ability)

We do have drugs like that currently in production. Edrophonium for example.

[leaden dagger]

ahhh look at this man go

[subtle verge]

Do you think it's possible that it can be some kind of cyanophyta/cyanobacteria?

[vague loom]

Unlikely to be a cyanide producing bacterium. CN is usually pretty unstable in an external environment and the lethal dose of cyanide is absolutely tiny and binds irreversibly to ATP Synthase, so the disinfectant stations wouldn't work.

Eyo i am big nerd thanks for coming to my ted talk.

[subtle verge]

Cyanobacteria doesn't naturally produce cyanide.

It sound similar, but they're completely unrelated.

[wild plank]

The cyano- is because of their bluish coloration, right?

like, blue-green algae?

[subtle verge]

Cyanobacteria/cyanophyta gets its name from the coloration, yeah.

Yep

[wild plank]

cool

[subtle verge]

It's a leading cause to ALS in third-world countries, which is a degenerative disease formed in the brain that causes uncontrollable muscle spasms.

Though, it definitely doesn't affect the nervous system as fast as the fog in Garganta does.

[wild plank]

ALS is what Stephen Hawking had, yes?

[subtle verge]

Yessir

[wild plank]

k

I'm just here for a quick question then I'll stop bothering you intelligent gentlemen

Has there been any discussion regarding the enemies' attack methods and how they work, or can I ask about that?

It's a minor detail, but I was just thinking about it

[leaden dagger]

what exactly do you mean?

like, how their attacks work biologically? or

[wild plank]

Biologically, yes, in terms of what they ARE

like if the striker's tongue works more like a lamprey or a mantis shrimp

and what the shooter's projectiles are

[leaden dagger]

Dr Grem here determined it was some sort of worm thing for Strikers, he can def better explain that

and then Shooters, inside of their body is egg things, they shoot those

[wild plank]

so they egg you

[leaden dagger]

which... we're not really sure whT those are yet

[wild plank]

understandable

[leaden dagger]

maybe, but they aren't exactly eggs either

some cyst of a sort

we're assembling a paper about the nature of sleepers soon

in which all shall be explained

[wild plank]

I will wait for it with bated breath

[subtle verge]

I find the strikers interesting; they are a near perfect apex predator for creatures that have a proboscis.

[leaden dagger]

facts

they're pretty insane

big Strikers especxialy

[wild plank]

ye

those guys suck a bag o' beans to fight unless you have A) scattergun or B) sniper

[subtle verge]

And I still wonder if the evolution of the different forms of sleeper have to do with a base genetic makeup versus random chance.

Or a mix of both.

[analog frigate]

or a hammer and bat

[leaden dagger]

so basically

we determined this:

[wild plank]

yes, that too, but... most of us are sane and rational

[leaden dagger]

start of the sleeper life cycle goes as this

baby strikers are born from the mother

[wild plank]

A

[leaden dagger]

they age and go into the cocoons to mature

they can then become strikers or shooters

beyond that, they age further into big strikers and shooters

big shooters can then become scouts, to take on a protective role

tanks/mothers are just futher mutations and such

most of them fulfill a need in the species

[subtle verge]

I more wonder about the chargers.

[leaden dagger]

a colonial hive type thing like ants or bees

[subtle verge]

The sudden creation of keratin-like spines seems interesting.

Because, naturally, spines are a defensive measure against predators.

[leaden dagger]

female subspecies, probably as a combat unit specifically

to protect the other sleepers

[subtle verge]

Hmm..

[leaden dagger]

it also acts as armor, remember

the spikes would've had to evolve if it was predator/prey based

and that much time has not passed

its all chemical reactions and mutations

determined by whats needed to protect the colonies

same as hybrids in this case

keratin-like body armor to help it be more combat oriented

the spikes arent used to defend or attack, merely just as an armor feature it seems

exoskeleton type behavior

the shooters are the ones that morph into the many different subtypes

strikers are strictly that; strikers

[solar nova]

Chargers have tongues, though.

As do shadows.

Striker model on shadows, too.

[leaden dagger]

so maybe chargers are a male subtype then, my bad

shadows are a wild phenomenon lmao. i think the conclusion we reached is they're a wavelength of light that we cant perceive, but we can still detect their outlines, their shadows

shadows are just a further mutated type

found in deeper areas, further into the colonial habitat, i think it was determined they're like a last line of defense mechanism

[icy swift]

shadows are an anomaly

[leaden dagger]

what do you mean by that?

[icy swift]

with no specific explanation how did they evolve and such

one theory we had was that they are visible only in IR or UV range of light
hence maybe their background is visible when we shine torches

outline*

[leaden dagger]

yes, thats exactly it

they dont evolve, that takes too long

its a life cycle and mutation cycle

[icy swift]

evolve as in i meant to say that how they came to be

[leaden dagger]

ah ok gotcha

its similar to the darker pigmented sleepers we encounter

its just a darkening or changing of the skin color

to a wavelength we can't see

[icy swift]

which ones?

[leaden dagger]

?

which ones what?

[icy swift]

this

i dont remember which one these are

[leaden dagger]

the ones that spawn during the alarm doors, and sometimes encountered in deeper parts

the more attack oriented sleepers

[icy swift]

oh those

the ambient light maeks it hard to distinguish sometimes

environment leight as well

[analog frigate]

back on the topic before: MPTP

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPTP

highly toxic neurotoxin

[analog frigate]

chargers

[icy swift]

is this for the toxic gas throughout the complex?

[analog frigate]

yes

we were trying to find the specific chemical that it is

[icy swift]

oh damn

[solar nova]

I guess I could see the byproduct theory.

[icy swift]

so when we get a very high amount of infection, we begin to cough and have breathlessness

does this fit that description?

[subtle verge]

I don't think MPTP/MPP+ is what we're looking for, as it affects the brain more than it affects the lungs and heart.

Causes Parkinson's Disease and stuff.

[analog frigate]

yeah that's possible

[analog frigate]

true

i still have to go over like 4/5 of the neurotoxin list

probably i'll go over it tonight and see if anything matches

[subtle verge]

Idk, I'm still stuck on the idea that it's a cyanotoxin of some kind created by cyanobacteria -- the coloring matches, one of the subsections of cyanotoxins matches what we experience (drowsiness, incoherent speech, tingling, burning, numbness, and respiratory paralysis which leads to death), and the CDC recommends washing yourself off with clean water or seeking medical help if problems persist.

Part of the Anatoxin-a group.

[analog frigate]

hmm

is it caused dermally though?

[subtle verge]

And it makes sense to me in some aspects because we're in a place that's dark, it's damp, surely some form of algae-like substance grows.

[analog frigate]

or do cyanotoxins have to be ingested in some way?

[subtle verge]

It does have the ability to cause skin rashes and blistering.

[analog frigate]

so the anatoxin-a group matches somewhat with what we see?

[subtle verge]

CDC states: 'Cyanotoxins can cause gastrointestinal, neural, hepatic, or dermal toxicity. Signs and symptoms reported after exposure also vary with the exposure route'

[analog frigate]

do they list exposure routes?

[analog frigate]

hmm

blisters

i suppose those could appear under our clothes

and they just don't appear on something like our necks

[subtle verge]

This is probably looking too far in to it, but could that be what the 'burning' sound we hear is referencing?

[analog frigate]

makes sense since when i had chickenpox, i had no blisters on my neck but just places with more flesh underneath

[subtle verge]

Obviously we can't/won't hear blisters form, but moreso the reference being that burning sound could be that feeling of burning/numbness?

[analog frigate]

it could be something like ear ringing

oooh

or something dissolving

[subtle verge]

Mayhaps.

[analog frigate]

since this is a process that generates bacteria, it would release gas during it

so it could be quiet bubbling occuring within our ears

or near them

[subtle verge]

Idk, that's kind of where I stand at the moment - cyanotoxins. The color, the ability to be able to persist with water molecules, the effects it could have and the delivery of it...

[analog frigate]

yeah i agree with this

it's the closest

[subtle verge]

Just seems like, currently, the most reliable source.

[analog frigate]

also not too complicated that 10c wouldn't find it

[subtle verge]

That, and it fits the environment that we're in, and it's not as someone said earlier 'lazy writing.'

[analog frigate]

true

nice

we managed to get very close to what it is

@leaden dagger we need to update the toxic fog file

[subtle verge]

Here's an example of what it looks like in water:

[topaz flare]

omg you all are trying to figure this out fully ha?

[analog frigate]

so it's probably cyanotoxins dissolved in water particles

[analog frigate]

that's our job

[subtle verge]

I like lore, okay?

[topaz flare]

@dull crest lore keeper lore when?

[analog frigate]

lore keeper lore

[subtle verge]

Fore score and seven lores ago.

[topaz flare]

discord suggestion sent

now we wait

[analog frigate]

eh

probably not gonna happen

[topaz flare]

you be suprised by my powers of spamming the shit out of doc and calle

[subtle verge]

Doing a little more delving in to cyanotoxins, their potential uses are:

• Biofertilizer
• Biocides
• Biofuels
• Pharmaceuticals
• Food/Feed
• Cosmetics

[leaden dagger]

agreed

[topaz flare]

without getting banned let me tell you

anyway keep up the good work

[analog frigate]

biofuel

[subtle verge]

Reactors, etc.

Would make sense.

[analog frigate]

they used that for the reactors and digging engines iirc

OOOH

THIS EXPLAINS THE MAGIC REACTOR

[subtle verge]

It's infinitely sustainable, easy to (ethically) manufacture, and takes a negative environmental impact out of the equation.

[analog frigate]

that one reactor that only has a 5cm layer of glass protecting the "rods"

[leaden dagger]

ooooh shiit

[analog frigate]

it's not nuclear like other ones

biofuel

damn

[leaden dagger]

punk coming thru with the sauce

[subtle verge]

❤️

[analog frigate]

gj punk

[leaden dagger]

since its a biological thing, explains why it incorporated into spitters too

[subtle verge]

Yaaay my rite of passage. Lmfao.

[leaden dagger]

lmao

we'll make sure to credit you

[analog frigate]

i sent you two the doc

[subtle verge]

SAY WHAT YOU WANT ABOUT SANTONIAN INDUSTRIES

At least they're environmentally conscious.

LMFAO

[analog frigate]

damn they gotta work on their lore game better

the biggest corporation being environmentally conscious?

not a chance

[subtle verge]

Santonian Industries: Unleashes world-ending disease and monsters in the name of corporate greed.

Still better than BP Gas.

[honest merlin]

In case of accidents in seismically unstable area, do you have any idea how dangerous a nuclear reactor would be? Or dozens of them?

I think Santonian used bioreactors for safety reasons, not environmental concerns.

[analog frigate]

yeah it would make sense

[leaden dagger]

literally

[dim scroll]

The fact everything is in a futuristic world could justify stabilized structures

[subtle verge]

Yeah, I was just trying to make a funny. ❤️

[honest merlin]

Considering that they are deep underground, the reactors could also use the natural thermal energy of The Earth.

[dim scroll]

Ye

[honest merlin]

Geothermal reactors go brrrr

[topaz flare]

god i love this chat now that there are ppl organizing it

[subtle verge]

It would make sense; for example, the teleport room in R6B1, from what I noticed, not only uses a stabilized platform and support beams, but also utilizes the coolant beneath the pad as a magnitude dampener.

Or so I believe.

[analog frigate]

i was always trying but there weren't many times when people would just gather up and talk about lore

[topaz flare]

yes but now we got a full team of 4 organizing the lore

[leaden dagger]

and then i came along 😎

[topaz flare]

it is a very nice thing to see

[analog frigate]

yeah

[leaden dagger]

facts

[honest merlin]

Thank you for your efforts

[topaz flare]

o7

[honest merlin]

These people need a Lore Keeper role with pinning privileges on this channel

[analog frigate]

now it's just writing the analysis and that's it

[analog frigate]

eh

[leaden dagger]

i really wish we had pin permissions

[topaz flare]

facts in some ways

[analog frigate]

it would be nice to pin important files and logs

[leaden dagger]

yuh

[topaz flare]

@shut mountain ehm cough cough

[analog frigate]

or even make threads

[topaz flare]

ya that would have been nice

[leaden dagger]

lmao

since we've explained a lot of the stuff now, the channel will be a bit dead until something new comes up

[subtle verge]

I do have one question, now that I have a moment to think about it:

[leaden dagger]

what up

[analog frigate]

especially during the late r5 lore hunger times

[topaz flare]

ya

[subtle verge]

The toxic fog, as far as we know, has no known effect on the sleepers.

[analog frigate]

yes

[shut mountain]

Hello yes how can I assist

[leaden dagger]

lore keeper role with pin permissions?

[topaz flare]

@shut mountain

[leaden dagger]

pls and thank you

[topaz flare]

and also lore keeper role when

[subtle verge]

Would they be naturally resistant to this or would it be something along the lines of... "I have no lungs, therefore I am immune fuck you."

[leaden dagger]

hmmm

good question

[analog frigate]

we don't see signs of a respiration system

[leaden dagger]

could be no lungs

yeah

[subtle verge]

Indeed.

[dim scroll]

ye

[leaden dagger]

they are pretty hollow

[analog frigate]

or anything similar

[dim scroll]

no stamina "feature" either

[topaz flare]

i mean again they are most likely just dead copses

[shut mountain]

Giving people channel privileges would result in trolling and malicious stuff so thats probably not going to happen

[leaden dagger]

they might have transpermiable? skin that they breathe thru

[subtle verge]

True. Just a big meaty ball of rage and destruction.

[analog frigate]

so they don't work on normal animal cell principles

[dim scroll]

Just give the role to trustworthy people

lol

[analog frigate]

no need for oxygen to work

[leaden dagger]

yeah true

[analog frigate]

or at least they need very little

we can write it in the sleeper analysis

[subtle verge]

They'd be the perfect astronauts.

[shut mountain]

Thats not very helpful, especially when accounts get hijacked left and right

[topaz flare]

i mean just give it to some that we all can trust like @leaden dagger and @analog frigate

[dim scroll]

you mean those nitro scams ?

bruh

No one here is stupid enough to get baited tbh

[subtle verge]

Santonian Astronautics LLC confirmed, boys.

[shut mountain]

Thats what you think lmao

[subtle verge]

Sleeper Astronauts, here we go.

[gilded vine]

I mean with the recent log4j vulnerability there is also that

[topaz flare]

it would be nice to give this 2 roles and privilege's to keep the channel organized

[subtle verge]

Strap a Go-Pro to these little bastards and let's explore the universe.

[dim scroll]

Am i overestimating mankind's intellect

😩

[gilded vine]

Yes

[topaz flare]

always

[analog frigate]

so their cellular biology is completely different then how it is normally

[dim scroll]

Deeper into the abyss of idiocy then

😩

[shut mountain]

As I said, thats not how it works I'm affraid. You can always ping moderators if you think something is pin worthy

[analog frigate]

so they are in fact not carbon based

holy shit this is big

[honest merlin]

sees everything as pin worthy

ping spam ensues

[leaden dagger]

lmao

[analog frigate]

but what are they then

[leaden dagger]

i kinda had that thought awhile back but forgot about it

could be any number of things really

hard to say since all we know is carbon based life

[topaz flare]

well @analog frigate and @leaden dagger you know what that means... WE GOT ADMIN/MOD PING PRIVILEGE BOYYYY

[shut mountain]

Yeah also the reason why we wont hand out a role like that away

[analog frigate]

@vague loom read the messages above for some important stuff for the sleeper analysis

[leaden dagger]

not tryna convince you or nothing but just saying, we'd ping stuff like the beginning of important discussions / logs and files we submit

but yeah i understand

discord be wildin these days

[analog frigate]

it would be nice but it's fine without it

[leaden dagger]

def

[analog frigate]

there are good reasons not to

[subtle verge]

Anyway, I'll write something up on the Cyanotoxin theory and post it in the doc when I finish it for review.

[leaden dagger]

hell yeah

[analog frigate]

aight

i'll edit it and maybe add some more pictures for reference

[subtle verge]

Sounds good!

[analog frigate]

👍

gtg now

i'll be back in a couple hours

[leaden dagger]

peace bro

[analog frigate]

cya

[dull crest]

What does that even mean?

[topaz flare]

it means give us roles for those who are experts at the lore

[dull crest]

Ah

Lore Lord

[topaz flare]

ya you can say that

[subtle verge]

The Lored. Or Lorde. I think 'Should Probably Shower' is another good one.

/s

[leaden dagger]

lmaoo

[subtle verge]

Someone remind me: which company was the mining company? Kovac something something or was it also Santonian?

Or was it a third party under contract?

[agile plinth]

Santonian id the mining company

[finite vine]

Santonian was the mining company

[leaden dagger]

Kovac is Kovac Defense Services

[agile plinth]

they signed a contract with KDS

for the whole security problem they had

[subtle verge]

That's right, thank you.

Also, do we remember where the 'magic' reactor was/is?

[random lintel]

Как зовут выжившего который остался где то в комплексе???

[subtle verge]

Schaeffer (spelling?)

[random lintel]

у кого из заключенных железный протез правой руки???

[subtle verge]

And I don't think any of them have metal appendages.

If you're seeing those in multiplayer, it's customizable apparel that you can obtain by doing objectives.

[random lintel]

What is the name of the survivor who stayed somewhere in the complex ???

[subtle verge]

^

John Schaeffer, for a full name.

[random lintel]

есть только вчера играл и у моего персонажа железная правая рука

спасибо

[subtle verge]

Ah, neat! It's just a customizable option for your character. You'll get more as you play through the content and will be able to change it.

And no worries.

[random lintel]

спасибо

Просто пытаюсь вести группу по GTFO в контакте

Вот и собираю информацию по игре

[subtle verge]

Cool. We're here for any lore related questions. If you need game mechanic questions answered, take a peek in the #gtfo-related-questions channel. 🙂

[random lintel]

Спасибо большое за помощь

[subtle verge]

Any time!

[random lintel]

а можно где то кинуть ссылку на мою группу в контакте или тут это в запрете

?

[analog frigate]

you can, but not here

i suggest consulting the server rules

[subtle verge]

You can, yes! I believe... #hc-europe is the place you want to go. But yes, definitely consult the server rules first and foremost.

[analog frigate]

you can't post anything in #hc-europe though

it's for regional servers

[subtle verge]

^^^

[random lintel]

Спасибо

[analog frigate]

no problem

[subtle verge]

I feel like I'm writing maybe a little too much for the Cyanotoxin thing.. but I like to be thorough, I guess?

[wild plank]

There is no such thing as too much

Write MORE

MOAR

[subtle verge]

Lmao.

[wild plank]

aheheheh

...say...

[analog frigate]

you need to be as thorough as possible

there is no upper boundary in gtfo lore

[wild plank]

perhaps the things the Shooters fire at you could be spores

[subtle verge]

I'm just trying not to say the same thing twice, you know?

[wild plank]

I get that, I understand

[subtle verge]

I'll post it in the doc what I have so far.

[wild plank]

goood

[wild plank]

anyway, thoughts?

[analog frigate]

possibly

[wild plank]

I don't think there's much precedent for it, though, on account of spores are a more fungal thing.

And as far as I'm aware there isn't much about them that could be considered fungal.

[analog frigate]

seeing as how we have determined the cyanotoxin to exist, it would make sense to be some sort of fully biological process

[wild plank]

Yes, yes.

But I don't see how it could be fungal, though, on second thought.

It also moves too fast and is much too compact to be spores, spores...

[subtle verge]

Would fungus survive on a being that lacks the standard definition of 'carbon-based life' though?

[wild plank]

Ahhh, I doubt it.

[analog frigate]

probably not

[wild plank]

I don't think they're eggs either, honestly.

Eggs are usually not something you want to throw at your enemies.

[subtle verge]

I think it's akin to what the other non-striker enemies have: keratin.

[wild plank]

Keratin-based projectiles?

[subtle verge]

Mayhaps. It's just a thought for now.

I've not really sat here and thought about it just yet lmao.

[wild plank]

Lethal hairballs?

[subtle verge]

I'm more thinking like... take a jellyfish for a lack-of-a-better-example example. Their tendrils have hook-like needles in them. Whenever prey touches them, the tendril will send jolts of electricity up and down to wrap itself around the prey, and the needles shoot out like little blow darts in to the prey on contact.

[wild plank]

Yes, yes.

[vague loom]

LORE DOCUMENT IS IN WRITING

I AM

[wild plank]

I was joking, because, y'know, keratin.

[vague loom]

EXHIBITING FULL AUTISMO POWERS

[subtle verge]

My thoughts are that the spitters and the jellyfish have a very vague, somewhat similar, system.

[vague loom]

AUTISMO GENERATORS AT 100%

[subtle verge]

GOGOGO DR. GREM

[analog frigate]

grem you ok?

[wild plank]

YES YES YES

[vague loom]

i have

[wild plank]

That doesn't sound unreasonable.

[vague loom]

written 5 pages worth of anatomy analysing the anatomy of the sleepers

LESGO BOIS

[wild plank]

guude

you honor us with your presence

[subtle verge]

Cyanotoxin theory is in the doc, just waiting for review before official documentation of the theory.

[analog frigate]

the doc i sent you?

[subtle verge]

Yessir!

[analog frigate]

ooh

i'll review it and then i can send it

[vague loom]

do we want to give the good folk here a taste of our work?

and they can watch it evolve as we write stuff in

[analog frigate]

ah not yet

let's finish it first

i have to still edit the toxic fog one and write the sleeper parts

[subtle verge]

Yeh yeh. Let me know if I should elaborate more or if there's any dire info missing.

[analog frigate]

i will

i just have to add the needed images

the whole fig 1.0, fig 1.1

[leaden dagger]

idk if they're ready for what we're writing 👀

[subtle verge]

My body has been ready for years.

I was going to make a reference to the 'magic' reactor, but I have no idea where it is.

[analog frigate]

alright here

sneak peek at a third being done

[subtle verge]

[analog frigate]

d3

[subtle verge]

OOOOH THAT ONE.

Haven't done that mission yet, no wonder.

[analog frigate]

alright @subtle verge the fog one is done

[subtle verge]

Ayyyy

[leaden dagger]

nice nice

i was thinking we release all documents at the same time, to make pinning easier and more organized

[analog frigate]

ah yeah that works

[leaden dagger]

keep the people on their toes 👀

we lore moles are very secretive

[subtle verge]

Now we're just waiting for the sweet, sweet, release of "Anti-Carbon Based Life Form 101: an Editorial."

[leaden dagger]

😂

[subtle verge]

By Dr Grem and associates.

[analog frigate]

pretty much

it's like 30 pages

[neat wigeon]

im curious about learning the lore to gtfo where should i start?

[analog frigate]

check out the lore videos that Five and Professor Scaler have

maybe they finally updated the mod contact

.t lore

[ruby lake]

#gtfo-lore

[subtle verge]

Personally, I started in the pinned comments and read all of the logs in the notionso link.

[analog frigate]

[subtle verge]

[wild plank]

[vague loom]

ask the devs to publish our lore as an expose of the Santonian institute of Biological Sciences

[analog frigate]

maybe we'll get accepted

[wild plank]

poggeroni and cheese

[subtle verge]

Alternatively, they're sitting in their office chairs with a bag of popcorn and laughing like: "Look at these idiots."

[wild plank]

that too

[vague loom]

They'd be fools not to monetise a biological study of these things.

[subtle verge]

True

[analog frigate]

i can't imagine how the devs who signed ndas feel like reading everything

[vague loom]

They'd miss out the money of autismo nerds like me reee-ing in the background.

[subtle verge]

I would guarantee there are a few who enjoy watching people figure things out and they're losing their minds at times because we're either so close but not quite there, or we're so far left field that it's painful.

[vague loom]

My ego talking here but I'd like to think I'm relatively close to the right mark

[analog frigate]

you really are

[subtle verge]

I'd guarantee it, honestly.

But, we all know how some stories tend to go; take a basis of science fiction, make it as possibly close to real life as you physically can, and then a curveball is thrown and all of a sudden it's pure fiction with some science-y elements tossed in.

• Not saying this is the case or will be, I've just seen it time and time again

[leaden dagger]

yeah

[subtle verge]

Not looking forward to completing C3 PE and D3 PE... guess I'll go grind them out for the next week while I think about more topics to flesh lore out of.

[analog frigate]

today was a really good day for #gtfo-lore

[leaden dagger]

indeed

[subtle verge]

[wild plank]

[subtle verge]

It's too bad that I've used all of my brain power on toxic fog.

My brain has shriveled for the day.

Return to

[analog frigate]

same here

[leaden dagger]

😂

honestly yeah

so much remembering and writing

thinking back to my theories from 2 weeks ago

given my memory is super shit, it's hard lmao

[charred quail]

[subtle verge]

has ruined me.

[lilac island]

what does "nrv probe reaction" mean

[subtle verge]

I believe that, currently, it's just flavor text. I do remember seeing something through the rumor mill last year (keep in mind, rumor mill is just that... rumors) where the devs were thinking about an oxygen mechanic, but it was either scrapped or tossed to the side for the time being and that flavor text was (allegedly) supposed to be a part of that mechanic.

Alternatively, if we look at it from a financial standpoint, it means 'Net Realizable Value' which basically means "how much net profit or loss will this asset get me after I subtract the estimated cost to sell or discard this asset."

[lilac island]

thank you

[woven pollen]

Do we know about the state of the Earth on the surface? Is it all fine and dandy up there, is it an infected wasteland, etc?

[subtle verge]

We don't know for certain, but by all accounts of what's been happening in Garganta and the outbreak that occurred in Florida, we can safely assume that shit is fucked.

[woven pollen]

Is Garganta the facility we're in?

[subtle verge]

*For a lack of a better term

That is correct.

The Complex = Garganta

[analog frigate]

ruin

post apocalyptic land for sure

[woven pollen]

Is the outbreak that Nam-V stuff? I don't know much about it, but I'm guessing its what mutates humans into the monsters?

[analog frigate]

yes

NAM-V is the virus that killed basically everyone

since as far as we know it can't be cured

only delayed

so once you have it, you are basically dead

[woven pollen]

How come we don't transform?

[analog frigate]

transform as in?

[woven pollen]

Like, the infection we get, how come it doesn't mutate us as far as I can tell

[analog frigate]

it's not NAM-V that causes mutation

nor fog infection

[subtle verge]

Also it's not NAM-V that we get infected by.

[analog frigate]

yes

[woven pollen]

Ah. Is NAM-V simply a non-terrestrial virus that kills people, no crazy mutation shit?

[analog frigate]

basically

yeah

[subtle verge]

The current theory that we have judging by the color of the infection fog and it's effects: it's cyanotoxin, which kinda' explains why the decontamination machines/packs get rid of infection.

[analog frigate]

although in the british hospital log, it's mentioned that they don't know the long term effects

[woven pollen]

Where'd all the cyanobacteria come from to produce that fog?

[subtle verge]

So, currently (in the year 2021) cyanotoxin isn't really used for anything outside of research purposes and it's currently the #1 cause of ALS (Stephen Hawking's disease) in third-world countries.

HOWEVER, it has the potential to be used as biofuel, pharmaceuticals, food stuffs, etc. The reactors that exist in Garganta use biofuel instead of atomic energy for safety reasons. Our leading theory is that Santonian Industries uses aquaculture to farm cyanophyta (the algae) to then create this biofuel.

[lilac island]

who is the warden/biocom thing working for/why does it do what it does?

[subtle verge]

And somewhere, somehow, the biofuel gets leaked in to the air, it forms with water molecules in the air, and when temperatures are just right and fog is created, this cyanotoxin is the more potent substance in those molecules.

[woven pollen]

Ah, okay

So, are the monsters mutated humans, or do they simply look like humanoids for other reasons?

[analog frigate]

the warden is a military DI developed by the US military and Kovak

[analog frigate]

some are, some aren't

[woven pollen]

The humanoid ones, I mean

What causes the mutation?

[analog frigate]

they are

parasites from the meteorite

soon there'll be a file about it

we are still writing it

[lilac island]

DI?

[woven pollen]

Meteorite? 👀

[analog frigate]

decision intelligence

[analog frigate]

the chicxulub one

since garganta is located in yucatan

but it was originally made as an iridum mine

[subtle verge]

Haha. TL;DR - we're in a mining facility created by Santonian Industries in an attempt to mine rare ores. We are located in the Chicxulub crater, the one that wiped the dinosaurs out. Santonian dug a little too deep, found the meteor, cracked the meteor, and unleashed surviving parasites that can eat through Class A (OSHA standards) hazmat suits.

[woven pollen]

Oooh, so we're talking about an old meteorite

[subtle verge]

Yes, the one that wiped the dinos.

[analog frigate]

the one that killed the dinosaurs

[woven pollen]

So the mutants didn't come from all that extra dimensional fuckery they were doing?

[analog frigate]

some did

[subtle verge]

^

[analog frigate]

but the mutants are from the meteorite and workers

the original ones of the species are from red alpha

[subtle verge]

I believe in the coming days, whenever Dr Gren and Associates have the time to finish up the report, there will be a bunch of Google Doc bombs that are loaded with leading theories and biology and other fun things.

[analog frigate]

we are done with 20 pages

probably 10 more to go

[woven pollen]

Ah wait, so this isn't an alternate dimension, it's a planet (Red Alpha)? And I'm assuming the meteorite came from that same planet, hence why they have the same type of organisms?

[analog frigate]

it is another dimension that you go into

and that's where the star system with red alpha is

it did come from the same planet

probably crystals triggered and teleported the chunk in the inner planet circle, avoiding jupiter and saturn

[subtle verge]

Yep, if you remember the matter projector from R6A1 where you get the first glimpse of Red Alpha, that crystal.

Or, more like it*

[woven pollen]

So how'd the meteorite jump dimensions?

[analog frigate]

^

[woven pollen]

Oh, I see

[subtle verge]

Yep! The Chicxulub meteor was never meant to hit earth on it's own!

[analog frigate]

and it couldn't have

[subtle verge]

Like an angry ex-partner, they threw the plate at you and it missed and went through the window and hit your neighbor's windshield.

[analog frigate]

that's

[subtle verge]

Don't..

Just...

[analog frigate]

odd comparision

[subtle verge]

Don't.

[analog frigate]

but aight

[subtle verge]

[lilac island]

so the virus and the meteorite happened seperatly?

[analog frigate]

no

the meteorite caused the virus

[subtle verge]

The leading theory is that the parasites and virus that came from the meteor have symbiosis. The parasite finds it's host, it thrives, the virus jumps to it's new host, thrives. You can remove the parasite, but the virus stays.

[lilac island]

ty for explaing all this

i love lore like this but im usually too lazy to look it up myself

thank you wise lore people

[analog frigate]

no problem

[subtle verge]

[woven pollen]

⬆️

[analog frigate]

if you have anything else you are wondering about, just ask :)

[woven pollen]

I assume the meteorite hitting Earth was a freak accident of physics, and not an attack?

[analog frigate]

yeah

[subtle verge]

Indeed! Just don't ask me about for the next few hours. Brain hurty.

[analog frigate]

yeah punk really about fog the last couple of hours with me

[subtle verge]

I think we collectively did about 20 hours of research on different kinds of neurotoxins and their physical appearance and effects.

[analog frigate]

basically

[woven pollen]

I shall now enquire about the for another 20 hours

[subtle verge]

🇺 🇨 🇰

[analog frigate]

and dr. grem, dagga and i are still writing about sleepers

[lilac island]

ik i asked this before but whats the goal of the warden? is it working on a cure? still working for the company? why does it send us on all these missions

[analog frigate]

currently we don't know

it sends us because it wants to

[lilac island]

ahh okay

[analog frigate]

also the company doesn't exist

as do most people outside of HSUs

[subtle verge]

I think the only real message it's left behind for us is the brainFuck text in the pins?

I could be wrong.

[analog frigate]

behind as in?

[subtle verge]

The only bit of communication it's ever given us.

Outside of directives/orders.

[analog frigate]

in game, yeah

[lilac island]

what text??

[subtle verge]

Check the pins!

[analog frigate]

brainfuck code

[subtle verge]

Very first pinned comment.

[lilac island]

oh im stupid

didnt realize you were talking about discord pins

[subtle verge]

It boiled down to this message:

inherit <BIOCOM>
primeCore wrdn;
flow main/
arr threat[]
flow report<con>
with con.report>0
threat.plus
while\threat.lng<0>/
proc sleep
proc threat[all]

And I have no idea where to even start with that one.

[analog frigate]

i have

it's both complicated and simple

[subtle verge]

I am a wire monkey smoothbrain, not a giga chad programmer/decoder.

All I know is Hazmat and Punk Rock.

[analog frigate]

basically it's priming the warden, evaluating internal threats in garganta as in sleepers, then reactions to threat values and lastly processing the threat

that's pretty much it

[mortal latch]

Are there other humans alive outside the HSU's? I always found the "prisoners will work as distraction" missions kind of odd if not

[analog frigate]

not known

Schaeffer is the only one we think might be alive

but that's the only one

[mortal latch]

okay cool thank you!

[analog frigate]

no problem

[lilac island]

is the complex of special meaning for the monsters (sort of a base or hive) or are they just chilling around, looking for something to kill

[agile plinth]

the complex is basically just a place they are at

they do act as a hive

like bees or ants

and are very territorial but do not expand

[subtle verge]

Watch out, they gon' sting ya'.

👀

[woven pollen]

So, do we know if there are monsters all over Earth, or just dead humans who died to NAM-V?

[agile plinth]

we can't say anything besides theories

[woven pollen]

What would your theories suggest? 👀

[agile plinth]

both are possible

and a couple other things

actually

interesting thought

why do we never see any sunlight?

[subtle verge]

The only thing we know that is canon: Florida had an outbreak that affected 27 (? 20-something) people and Santonian pretty much told government agencies to piss off from the area.

Local law enforcement, etc.

[agile plinth]

since yeah there are clouds but like

[woven pollen]

I've wondered about that too. Isn't is always a severe, dark rainstorm at the surface when we see it?

[agile plinth]

always?

it's always raining

and there is always no signs of anything

i suppose there could be like a monsoon or something in yuvatan but still

[subtle verge]

It's possible that rain is the best scenario for dropping; like masking the sound of the drop from the outside world.. or there could be a multitude of other things.

[agile plinth]

the combined duration from r1 to r6 is longer than one would last

[mortal latch]

No evidence but countries going nuclear as a reaction to the virus and growing stresses could have resulted in a large scale cloud cover for many years

[agile plinth]

holy shit punk you are a genius

that's exactly it

[woven pollen]

I think both Punk and Creature have fairly plausible explanations

[agile plinth]

possibly but we get no signs of fallout

[subtle verge]

Well, the only problem with nuclear reactions would be that the cloud cover would cause a literal nuclear winter.

And yeah, zero signs of fallout.

[agile plinth]

and no radiation

[subtle verge]

If a nuclear reaction would have happened, we'd be seeing snow, or a frozen earth, or radiation spikes.

[woven pollen]

Ah, true

[subtle verge]

I will highly disagree with this statement, but thank you.

[agile plinth]

alright i have to go to sleep and tomorrow dome files will get uploaded

[subtle verge]

Night, homie!

[mortal latch]

Nuclear winters I believe take many decades to develop, and the location of drop is a very hot region

[agile plinth]

i need to work on thst idea punk

[mortal latch]

just a theory though

[agile plinth]

it would make sense why everything happens when it does

[agile plinth]

it's yucatan, mexico

around 2/3 degrees off the equator

[subtle verge]

I'll be back in a bit, need to feed not only myself but my very needy cat.

[agile plinth]

cya

[lilac island]

what are the masks all the prisoners are wearing for if the parasite gets through protection that easily?

other bad air stuff in the complex?

[agile plinth]

yeah

the complex has other toxins

punk wrote about them

cyanotoxins

but as far as we know nam-v is somewhat gone

there are no more hosts for it to spread to

[lilac island]

is there an explanation why the prisoners dont get the virus or is it unknown?

[lilac island]

ah nvm

[agile plinth]

HSUs

they put the parasites and nam-v in a sort of hibernation state for a while

prisoners go in and do the expedition

return back in the HSUs

and it's that cycle all over again

[subtle verge]

On mobile so allow me a moment to answer this one:

[agile plinth]

in the meantime i will sleep. bye

[subtle verge]

By US OSHA standards, prisoners wear mainly Class D military-style apparel and a Class C face mask. Class C face masks are only good for keeping large particulates in the air out of your lungs. Finer particles such as micro dust, viruses, etc. will easily go through these filters.

In short: the masks are there to protect the prisoners from inhaling harmful dust particles.

Night, Daraxus!

For comparison, the cloth masks we wear to go out in public could be considered Class F.

Class B equipment is to protect the face, skin, and lungs from corrosives, while Class A is to keep everything outside of your suit outside, including air. A Class A suit has it's own oxygen tank on the inside to keep everything localized.

[lilac island]

good guy warden caring about our dust exposure while sending us regularly on suicide missions

ty again for the explaination

[subtle verge]

Any time!

[solar nova]

The WRDN cares about us, but sacrifices must be made.

[mortal latch]

cyanotoxins is a neat idea, I worked in a toxicology lab during a work term testing water samples for exactly that

[solar nova]

Personally, I'm fully on board.

[subtle verge]

Well, it just made sense to me when I read about them earlier today, and then compared it to what we see in-game with the same colored fog and what the substance could be used for in the future.

I could be way off the mark on it, but with what we have to work off of in the here-and-now, it just made the most sense.

[mortal latch]

I know the toxins themselves are colourless, the colours usually seen in large blooms are from the cyanobacteria themselves, and whatever photosynthetic pigment the organisms contain within them

sort of like leaves on trees can range from green to orange to red, cyanobacteria can have the same coloured pigments

[subtle verge]

The largest thing for us were the symptoms that they can cause on the skin and through inhalation without outright murdering us within minutes like.. say.. Chlorine Gas, or Hydrocyanide. Lmao.

That's interesting to know, though, and it made me immediately think of the 'pink lake' somewhere in the eastern world.

The one that ossifies all of the animals that go near it.

[mortal latch]

Yeah exactly that, a good example of a different colour of pigment

I guess the most odd part about the fog is the density, as those toxins don't aerosol easily, I also find it odd that they have so much filtration equipment and systems already installed, almost as if it was a gas encountered during the drilling

some kind of new organism perhaps living in pockets deep under the earth, extremophiles

[subtle verge]

Well, that's why we made the assumption that it could be biofuel made from the cyanotoxin, since it would be incredibly dangerous to have nuclear reactors underground where quakes happen all of the time.

The cyanotoxin/cyanophyta were being harvested via aquaculture and then used to create a biofuel to fuel the reactors.

[mortal latch]

Biofuel wouldn't consist of the toxins though, Biofuel is a byproduct of just feeding cyanobacteria, usually something like Butanol, or some other oil that can be used as a fuel source

[subtle verge]

Hmm. This is good to know. Something I overlooked in that you're correct with: Biofuels don't have any inherent toxic trait to them in gaseous form.

[mortal latch]

Yup, it'd just be specifically the toxins, but cyanobacteria only produce those toxins in very specific conditions, and usually a company working in biofuels would actually work with a species that doesn't produce any

[subtle verge]

I'll look in to it further. There are no other gases or neurotoxins known to science (that I have found thus far) that emit the kind of hazy blue-green we see in-game, nor that have those kinds of effects. Though, I do still hold on to the notion that it isn't gas, per se, but toxic molecules that have bound with the water molecules in the air.

[lilac island]

this would particularly be the case, fog repellers are designed to push away fine dust

[mortal latch]

I think if they were bound to water molecules a Class C mask would actually prevent us from being harmed

[subtle verge]

Part of me wonders why prisoners aren't just sent down with a fitted N95 mask. A properly fitted N95 can be rated in the higher B-class.

Maybe lower A-class, but that's pushing it.

And it's far cheaper than a full-on face mask.

[mortal latch]

my theory had been that the mothers produced the fog, until I realized their fog isn't harmful

unless it takes time to mature? idk

[subtle verge]

At the end of the day, I have to remind myself that it's science fiction. I mean there are canon parasites that eat through Class-A hazmat. Lmao.

[mortal latch]

Yup, that's why I suggested that maybe the fog is just some newly discovered gas/organism/thing found from drilling

[subtle verge]

I'm more than likely way off the correct path with my theory, but with what modern science knows and how little information we have on what the stuff actually is, we'll need more insight from devs.

[mortal latch]

It's very dense, that's for sure, as it's always in the deepest areas, so that's interesting

thanks for listening though, I didn't expect to get to talk about my field today LOL

[subtle verge]

Absolutely! I'm just a smoothbrain that does Hazmat.

I love getting more insight for shit I don't know lmfao.

[pearl schooner]

i got a question

[subtle verge]

What's up?

[pearl schooner]

You know the hole where you start

why is the edge pointing up?

[subtle verge]

Are you referencing the edge where you start a mission?

[pearl schooner]

yeah

[subtle verge]

I don't know if it's explicitly stated, but my thought process for it would be: "Oh shit, we fucked up, get the drill out of there ASAP, screw OSHA."

Like the drill was ripped to the surface in a massive hurry.

[mortal latch]

I believe there's a log about some huge explosion wasn't there? Something shot up out of the complex

[subtle verge]

Let me double check. I can't remember a lot of the logs off memory.

[mortal latch]

I could be remembering way off, but I thought I remembered some kind of bright light firing up out

[lilac island]

the mask is likely proprietary, both cheap and capable of having the HUD built into it connected to BIOCOM

[mortal latch]

higher morale because they look cooler than an N95

[finite vine]

yes there was. i think it was from r6

[subtle verge]

If memory serves, the BIOCOM UI is a chip in our brains and we see the UI through our eyes.

[finite vine]

was this proven?

[subtle verge]

I don't know if it is explicitly stated, honestly.

I'll double check everything to be sure.

[finite vine]

because i would think that the hud is most certainly from the masks

[pearl schooner]

If D4 the Deepest, is there a zone deeper than the D+ levels

[finite vine]

actually it is. the hud moves when you jump and and down

[subtle verge]

That's more of a Daraxus question. I'm not entirely sure of the lore myself just yet.

[lilac island]

i don't think that's the case, the UI is meant to match the curvature of the glass in the mask, BIOCOM is just what picks who goes on expeditions, what expeditions they go on, and etc

we are biocom on the main menu

[mortal latch]

well when you first start the game up it does say "Subject ready for cortex interface injection"

something is being injected into them

[finite vine]

wdym. are u saying that the hud is not in the mask.

i’m talking about the in game hud like ammo and objective

[lilac island]

i'm saying the hud is in the mask, it conforms to the curvature of the mask

[finite vine]

not menu

ok yea i agree with that

[lilac island]

i'm saying the cortex interface isn't the hud, it's how it keeps track of us, wakes us up, and tracks our health

and the stuff at the end of an expedition like nerve probe reaction and stuff

[finite vine]

yep

[finite vine]

yea most likely. there are logs describing expeditions into the “egg” below 2000 meters

[mortal latch]

in the bottom right of the HUD in game it does say "Cortex NI (Neural injection)"

I would say it isn't on the mask imo

[subtle verge]

I'd be willing to bet that the CNI is in our heads just judging by the wording. The cortex being a sheet of neural tissue in our brains.

Why else would an iconic image like the cortex of a brain be shown in rgb in some loading screens, you know?

Now, I'd be willing to bet that the UI we see molds to our surroundings like our masks.

[finite vine]

I think cortex interface might be a needle that gets injected into our brain stem. it gets pulled out when we wake up. it supplies the visuals of the rundown screen and weapon selection etc.

[subtle verge]

But the masks themselves have no direct power source that we can visually see, whether it's built in or attached to our gear.

I believe what we see at weapon loadout screen is the Warden DI choosing our loadout.

[finite vine]

idk it seems like the hud is from the masks

[mortal latch]

the cortex interface is what is provided by injecting the NRV probe, then upon completing the mission it evaluates NRV probe reaction implying whatever was injected remains injected until the mission is over

[subtle verge]

It would make sense that the CNI would be an implant in prisoner's brains because the Warden uses the CNI to wake us up and put us back in to hydro-stasis, on top of showing us what it wants us to do.

[mortal latch]

CNI?

[subtle verge]

Cortex Neural Injection.

[mortal latch]

oh right

[subtle verge]

NRV, whatever we want to call it.

[mortal latch]

yeah my guess just based on the hud and opening is the NRV probe provides the HUD, known as the cortex NI

perhaps it even means Cortex neural INTERFACE

[subtle verge]

Mayhaps.

Like I said earlier, stuff like this is more of a Daraxus question. I don't know enough about the base lore to be able to state fact versus theory.

[mortal latch]

actually yes it does, when you die it literally says cortex interface lost

just remembered that

[finite vine]

true

so does the cortex interface get injected every time we drop?

[mortal latch]

I believe so, so the warden can communicate with us

[finite vine]

what is the difference between the cortex interface and the nvr probe

[mortal latch]

My guess is the NRV probe is what is physically injected, and the cortex interface is the name of the program that provides the hud

[finite vine]

wonder if any of this will be talked about in future logs

could be interesting

[mortal latch]

I would think so, considering we know the one crazy guy living down there somehow managed to cut off his connection to the warden (supposedly)

I imagine he'd have to explain how he did that, which would likely have to do with removing this

[subtle verge]

We think Schaeffer's alive still, it's kind of a wild guessing game at this point. Lmao.

[finite vine]

I still feel like nothing is fully injected into us permanently. A probe is something that does not fully stay in a body, an injection does. It is just probed in, possibly while we are asleep, and taken out once we drop.

still doesn’t explain cortex interface lost once we die in game. so i guess something is still in our brains once we drop.

[mortal latch]

Yeah it could be removed each time we return to the HSUs as well, I'm also unsure if this has even been answered yet, I missed a good few logs

[finite vine]

It has not been answered yet. i’m like 95% sure

[subtle verge]

https://www.notion.so/GTFO-Timeline-0e93a62e8cfd44b3a36beb4ab245a2d0

There's all of the current logs to date, minus R6.

[mortal latch]

oh hell yeah

thank you

[subtle verge]

Absolutely!

[finite vine]

Anything relating to legion (which is the program that sends prisoners down iirc) has not really been talked about much so...

[subtle verge]

Yeah, we get a few tidbits of info in the prisoner interview voice logs, and very little in actual text logs, but we do have something at least. Lmao.

[mortal latch]

I'd love to learn more about the legion program, such ominous implications

The only thing you can really guess based on the name is that there's a lot of us

[finite vine]

yea most likely

[mortal latch]

What's the current theory on the warden? AI still?

[finite vine]

I think it is both

Someone had to install WRDN package to biocom and override it

[mortal latch]

what exactly is BIOCOM? I think I missed most of that

[finite vine]

It’s an ai designed by kovak defense services i think

it’s a strategic military operative software

there was a log talking about it i don’t remember which one thou

[mortal latch]

ah I see, so BIOCOM sort of became the warden?

[finite vine]

yea

[lilac island]

i still think it makes more sense for the HUD to be in the mask

[finite vine]

same

[lilac island]

what makes more sense, a mask having text projected onto it, or every prisoner's eyeballs being replaced with cybernetics

[finite vine]

well no one said that our eyeballs were replaced with cybernetics

[lilac island]

even if it mentions the neural interface, the mask could just be linked into the BIOCOM network

which it would have to be if it were to display any info on you or your objective

[finite vine]

yes

[mortal latch]

well I mean neural means brain, cortex injection means brain injection, I'm just going off the terminology we have

brain interface

[finite vine]

the hud is definitely in the masks, i’m just wondering why it says cortex interface lost once you die.

[lilac island]

well, of course thats what that means, but if its displaying info on the state of your brain interface, it doesn't mean it's the brain telling you that

it says cortex interface lost when you die because the brain is dead, there's nothing to interface with, so the interface is lost

[finite vine]

ok so that means that there is a device injected into the brain during the expeditions

[lilac island]

if my house's lightbulbs are connected to a control network, i'm sure a mask with support for lightup words in it can be connected to a DI intranet

[mortal latch]

yes, post mission it evaluates the probes reactivity as well, implying it's still in at that point

[subtle verge]

Again, I disagree that the masks are the ones showing the HUDs. There is zero power source to them that we can see (to my knowledge), no wires, no batteries, etc.

Understandably so, we're around the year 2060, so who knows what kind of tech there is at that point.

[mortal latch]

I also just don't know why it would say Cortex Neural Interface in the bottom right of the HUD if it had nothing to do with it

[subtle verge]

I also remember reading or even hearing somewhere that the HUD is smart enough to make it not distract the user.

[finite vine]

??? where did u hear this.

[subtle verge]

I would say that the CNI conforms the HUD to your equipment.

[finite vine]

like a log or something

[subtle verge]

I honestly couldn't tell you where I heard or read it, I'd have to dig through a years worth of history logs. Lmao.

It might have been theory.

[lilac island]

i just don't see how that part's really relevant, i don't really have much of an equivalent, but if the mask is giving you information from the warden, the warden is accessing all of it through that nerual interface, so it makes sense that a human user would want to see the status of the neural interface

there's any number of easy handwaves for the power, we aren't down for days at a time, so it could be battery powered, it's not like that would even need much power, smart watches have more functionality and use and have batteries small enough to still comfortably wear them as a watch, and those started to become a thing years ago

[finite vine]

the fact that the hud moves with your mask and that it refracts with the glass on the corners is honestly good evidence that the hud is from the masks. it’s physical evidence we can observe.

[mortal latch]

It's true we can observe that but I could also say not being able to see the other prisoners huds on their visors is something we can see too

would it not be there?

[lilac island]

yeah i'm pretty sure the HUD is diegetic, even if they could make tech to show that info directly on your eyeballs, it would cost far more to do that than to likely reuse masks used by KDS beforehand

[lilac island]

that goes into being too much to be rendered all at once and game limitations

it's not a physical thing in the gameworld, but it's obviously meant to look, feel and for all intents and purposes BE in the masks

[mortal latch]

I don't know I just feel it's probably an agree to disagree thing, the only evidence for it being displayed on the mask is just because it's curved on our monitors

they'll likely explain it in the future

[lilac island]

i mean i find the evidence for it being the brain injection to be far more tentative at best

because it means the HUD is either non-diegetic, or if it is, the prisoners have to go through expensive surgeries

[leaden dagger]

the HUD is in the masks, yes

cortex interface is the program they run

connected to BIOCOM

which is how it gets objective updates etc

[hot inlet]

I don't think the cost is something the writers take into account for the game

[lilac island]

pretty sure it is

[hot inlet]

based on what?

[leaden dagger]

yknow how much money Santonian has access to?

they can do whatever tf they want

[hot inlet]

The smart weapons alone along with the high tech reticles

[leaden dagger]

at least before some got pulled

[hot inlet]

are huge wastes of money by any logic

[lilac island]

they wrote in the justification for the entire complex being built being based on how much iridium costs in universe and that iridium only exists on earth from asteroid impacts

[mortal latch]

That's what I was thinking when looking at the turrets, they're so advanced, distinguishing us from enemies

surely they're ludicrously expensive

[hot inlet]

which they distinguish im sure because of the shit injected into their brains

I still feel like you're giving the writers too much credit for thinking about cost effectiveness of HUDs

[lilac island]

i'm less likely to believe that they have all the money in the world at their disposal. if money wasn't an object, why only send in 4 guys at a time, and not even fully equipped to face what they're running into, mainly equipped with what was available beforehand

if it isn't justified as a cost thing, then it's just a "because survival horror" and it loses most of it's depth as a believable world

[subtle verge]

Side note of the conversation: I'm going back through A1 solo and realized that the world is truly fucked up top with the log in the first terminal.

[hot inlet]

oh yes absolutely borked

[subtle verge]

Would be good to have the log on standby for when newer folks ask how's the weather out there lmfao.

Ended up copying it and have it on a Notepad.

[hot inlet]

On the cost topic there have been several missions where we are sent with full gear to missions where the warden expects us to die

I dont think cost is an issue

[lilac island]

we're never sent with full gear

never fully stocked with ammo or fully stocked tools, nothing like that

[hot inlet]

thats the standard

the standard loadout doesnt deviate regardless of mission

so cost isnt an issue

[lilac island]

standard would be 100% on everything

[hot inlet]

no we've never been given 100%

[lilac island]

if cost wasn't an issue, why not give us 100% of everything

[hot inlet]

you're just pulling that out of nowhere

thats just a game mechanic

[lilac island]

why only send 4 guys at a time

[hot inlet]

not everything 100% has a lore explanation

[lilac island]

almost everything does, it seems senseless for the game to have explanation down to why the complex is built where it is, but not why only 4 people are sent down at a time with barely half of what they can carry, all the while they have all the money and supplies in the world??

[subtle verge]

The theory is that we're expendable, we're expected to not survive. Why would The Warden give us the best of the best if we're not expected to return, you know?

[lilac island]

if the warden had all the money they could need, why would they care if they lose it?

[subtle verge]

The Warden is a DI, it's probably doesn't have any precepts to understand the concept of currency exchange, or if it does, it has no care for it. On top of that, who or what would deliver the state-of-the-art equipment if we don't even know if people still exist top-side?

[lilac island]

if it has the money to increase effectiveness and survival rate, why would it not

[hot inlet]

the weapons, tools and turrets would be blindingly expensive

not having full ammo is a game mechanic

just like lockers with ammo packs that magically fill any weapon regardless of ammo type

[lilac island]

but i thought cost wasn't an issue,

[hot inlet]

thats my point

its giving us this incredible shit on suicide missions

so cost isnt an issue

either way im good on this topic since you desperately wish to die on this hill

gg

[lilac island]

this isn't incredible for a group with all the money in the world or some all powerful military force

it is terrible shoddy gear if money isn't an issue

[agile plinth]

they are standard military issue, provided by Kovak

stuff salvaged

[subtle verge]

DARAXUS IS AWAKE

[agile plinth]

yes

also money doesn't matter in this equation

the warden doesn't pay for anything

[agile plinth]

not suicide missions, we are still equipped with the bare minimum to go in and leave

also we can take that we can't get full everything since we are literally the best and we can inly get around half

[agile plinth]

we know, but answers are still needed

[glad oar]

so whats the lore looking like rn

like what are the sleepers

[finite vine]

lmao how do u know that

i dont think its possible rn to make that assumption

[agile plinth]

how can it pay for anything when the world is fucked and most if not everything is gone

[finite vine]

well, we don't know if the world is fucked...

[agile plinth]

Kovak and Santonian don't exist since we don't see any new contacts to Garganta

[finite vine]

wdym contacts

[agile plinth]

^

punk if you could send the log you mean

[agile plinth]

any messages or anything

[finite vine]

yea that log does not prove that the world is fucked

[finite vine]

the warden probably does not want us to recieve any outside info

[agile plinth]

it can't edit the garganta systems

so through the terminal we would see something new

[finite vine]

that does not mean that the world is fucked

[agile plinth]

the only information that is after the complex got taken over is from schaeffer

[finite vine]

when did the complex get taken over.

like what year

[agile plinth]

2053 approx

[finite vine]

there are logs after 2053

[agile plinth]

the santonian website terminal?

[finite vine]

in game

ones that describe the energy surges that created the tunnels to the surface on october 13th 2053

santonian said they will take better safety measures and seal the tunnels to prevent further accidents

[agile plinth]

that's going by the security measures that were made

[icy swift]

Daraxus, any chance the HSUs are fed the cyanotoxin cause teh world above has gone to shit?

[agile plinth]

no

but they probably operate using it

[agile plinth]

anything from 2054?