the sleepers don't lose hand and such due to trauma
#gtfo-lore
vague loom
what if the infective vector were just really small tapeworms forming a psychic gestalt?
they'd have the normal symptoms of increased hunger and nutritional requirements; those that grow big enough in the intestines can rupture the wall sufficiently to form the weird bulgey lumpy abdomen
spreading in tissues that they're not supposed to causes host immune system to calcify / pacify them, leading to increased hardness and resistance to melee and bullets than a regular human
vague loom
the increased hunger and location of the sleepers could also mean that during periods of starvation, they ate their fingers; resulting in the weird, bony, dried-blood nubs that we see roaming about
agile plinth
that's possible
take note that the kraken and flyers are the original species
the more humanoid ones (strikers, shooters, their big variants, chargers and their variants, scouts, tanks and mothers) appear to be a mutation from humans
at least in some way evolved up from human DNA
due to the common similarities and comparison between the original form of the species
vague loom
true; but it wouldn't explain how the human intestine got repurposed into an attack organ; cause clearly the sleepers are throwing /everting their pharynx to bite at us similar to how most sea-worms have horrifying pharyngeal mandibles.
agile plinth
we aren't sure it's their intestines
vague loom
fairly sure. There's not much else that's super tubular in the body; unless they're flinging their urethra at us
agile plinth
such muscular growth doesn't appear likely
vague loom
which has concerning implications.
vague loom
such muscular growth doesn't appear likely
you have an AWFUL lot of intestines; especially the small one; it's also Super Stretchy .tm
agile plinth
I know
also a personal request: if you could structure your text to be more understandable to the average non-medical student
agile plinth
spreading in tissues that they're not supposed to causes host immune system to c...
it would explain why we primarily used hammers to kill them
vague loom
also a personal request: if you could structure your text to be more understanda...
ah, uhm, i've already minimised the jargon and anatomical terms; i can try to simplify em a bit more.
agile plinth
the introduction of knives and spears makes it more confusing though
agile plinth
ah, uhm, i've already minimised the jargon and anatomical terms; i can try to si...
ah sorry didn't see it
vague loom
the introduction of knives and spears makes it more confusing though
being able to slice through infested flesh must be pretty hard; that's why we use a fixed blade instead of a combat knife, and a drillbit instead of a spear-tip meant for cutting
also suggestive is that these weapons have decent-ish damage, but require crits to shine; meaning we need to disrupt and hurt them where it counts (crits)
agile plinth
explains hitting the occupit as to disconnect the nervous system
vague loom
my guess is that the bit of the brains that control basic movement and instinct plus aggression's intact; or even coopted.
agile plinth
their behavior has been dort of figured out
agile plinth
they are left to their primal instincts
@leaden dagger thought of it
he'll probably be able to explain it better
I'll be back
agile plinth
yeah there's a lot to figure out in gtfo
i can say a quick recap of what dagga explained
the slice at the top of the head has most likely caused them to lose most brain functions
which explains their uncoordinated primal behavior
they are also a very territorial species
there have been no signs of expansion in garganta or red alpha yet
and for the shooters, the eggs probably acted like tumors and did the same thing
this explains the behavior of the tanks
they are more intelligent since they have retained more brain functions and appear mostly intact
chargers have most of their head covered in spikes due to some mutation
and they appear to gave retained some extra brain functions as well
and hitting in the back kill them which coincides with needing to disconnect their nervous system
vague loom
i will say; the shape of the head of especially the larger ones; can be summed up as "Sensori-motor cortex + basal ganglia + cerebellum" Most of the bodies seem to be missing frontal lobes and without eyes, the occipital lobes aren't as useful, so they're probably gone too.
analog frigate
their senses are limited to low to mid frequency echolocation
vague loom
iirc coincidentally it's also the general range of human hearing
analog frigate
also flyers and the kraken are the original species so we can't compare much
analog frigate
iirc coincidentally it's also the general range of human hearing
sorta but no
the fog repellers and lock melters operate at a very high requency
and subsequently don't wake them up
grim flicker
So the whole world is entirely screwed in GTFO? I thought it was mostly just within the facility
analog frigate
yes
NAM-V has destroyed everything
but as far as we know, it's not what makes sleepers
grim flicker
So you're the last surviving humans? or just society collapsing?
pure ferry
there's no confirmation on the outside world
analog frigate
Schaeffer as well but we aren't sure
pure ferry
we can assume we're the last few people alive nearby
analog frigate
there's no confirmation on the outside world
we at least know that it's mostly gone due to NAM-V
as the british hospital log appears to mention
pure ferry
But for all we know, every country could be alive and functioning and garganta got forgotten by almost everyone (not likely)
analog frigate
yeah
pure ferry
The hospital log mentions a virus outbreak, it does not mention any outcome or broader societal breakdown
analog frigate
i mean we get nothing from Kovak or Santonian which is impossible if they still existed
analog frigate
The hospital log mentions a virus outbreak, it does not mention any outcome or b...
it says that once you get the virus, that's it
you die no matter what
it can be subdued for some time
but it will remain dormant until activating again and probably killing you
pure ferry
It says you need to be treated when you have the virus and, up to that point, there was no cure, just forcing the virus into dormancy
It does not say people have to die
It does not say everyone died
analog frigate
it does say people die
pure ferry
It does not say it's a death sentence
grim flicker
Thought.
maybe that's one of the goals of warden?
Maybe it/they are driven to either find a cure for NAM-V or to create more humans.
analog frigate
iirc it does
pure ferry
Gotta be careful about projecting assumptions when they've gone out of their way to leave things open
analog frigate
Manchester Eye
Mar 18th, 2053
Growing Concern over NAM-V
by Duncan Keith
Saturday night at the Manchester Royal Infirmary. Usually, the emergency room sees a steady influx of patients. It’s busy; but no more than they can handle. the Infirmary is well staffed and stocked and has a reputation for dealing with patients quickly and efficiently.
But not tonight. Tonight over 250 people crowd the waiting rooms. As one patient is seen, treated, and released, 2 more take their place at the end of the line. There are no beds left, not enough personal protective equipment for the medical staff, and a barely contained sense of panic among the cast-down faces of those waiting in hope that they don’t have “the Stoops”. This is a hospital clinging on, desperately trying to weather the storm. The storm of the NAM-V virus.
Since the WHO officially labeled the NAM-V virus as a pandemic, the number of reported cases has spiked. In part that is due to a more concerted testing effort, but it is also a sign of just how quickly this virus is spreading. Unlike previous pandemics (Hook, COVID19 – 21, Respo-Z2), this one debilitates its victims. There is no stay-at-home solution. If you have NAM-V, you need medical support. The long-term effects of the virus are still unknown, but once you start to feel the tightening in your bones and the persistent hallucinations you will need medical supervision, or the end will be swift. Medical intervention is the only thing that can slow the decline. Even if the patient does manage to survive the initial onslaught of the virus, it will remain in their system and can strike again without warning. Once you are isolated with NAM-V, you stay isolated.
… story continues on page 7```"Even if the patient does manage to survive the initial onslaught of the virus, it will remain in their system and can strike again without warning. Once you are isolated with NAM-V, you stay isolated."
pure ferry
Never says nor directly implies that it's a death sentence, nor does it imply there is no possibility for a cure or anything along those lines
It says the virus can remain (dormant) in their system
Dormant implies that it can be 'beaten'
pure ferry
Even if it were a death sentence, it does not mean that everyone has to contract the virus and humanity is doomed
pure ferry
it implies that the only method to stop it is not permanent
Just like HIV and that's not a death sentence either (anymore)
There's plenty of examples in medicine of things you can't beat, only treat
grim flicker
I mean the warden might be looking for a way to cure NAM-V or kickstart human repopulation. or both
analog frigate
could be
pure ferry
I want to be clear that i think your assumption is a likely outcome of the virus, but at the same time, i don't think it's the only possibility
grim flicker
would explain why the override is used in the boot screen, the warden is desperate.
analog frigate
There's plenty of examples in medicine of things you can't beat, only treat
well what i'm taking from the log is that if you manage to survive the first time, even with medical help you can only slow it down until it strikes again. also seeing how one hospital is experiencing such an influx of patients, it's not too far to imagine that it has become a giant pandemic as WHO says
grim flicker
"You might die"
"but thats a risk i'm willing to take"
Or possibly a risk it/they feels it has too take
analog frigate
so saying that it has infected almost everyone isn't too far off
analog frigate
Or possibly a risk it/they feels it has too take
it doesn't care
our death is a risk it's willing to take as to accomplish what it wants
we are assets
pure ferry
so saying that it has infected almost everyone isn't too far off
Covid is a pandemic which hasn't come even close to infecting everyone and that's one that leaves everyone alive to spread it
And it's a major one
analog frigate
true
some people in more isolated conditions probably are fine
but remember
NAM-V is a parasite that can go through class A Hazmat suits
pure ferry
There's exactly one log that mentions both the virus and a parasite and it does not leave clear what the connection between the two is
pure ferry
Also, a parasite by definition is not a virus
grim flicker
Yes.
but the reason it's using us is because WE might be it's last choice. seeing as the warden stops a scan and forces an override to use us.
pure ferry
It's like saying a flea is a whale
analog frigate
it's said that it's a parasite carrying NAM-V
let me just post the log to clear everything up
pure ferry
They aren't even remotely in the same category (also, even more of a size difference)
grim flicker
parasites is kinda broad
analog frigate
grim flicker
Could be something like a mosquito or a tape worm spreading NAM-V
analog frigate
i said that the parasite carries it
doesn't cause it
kinda like a mosquito and malaria
grim flicker
Or west-nil
analog frigate
pure ferry
Again, fine assumption, but there's nothing that directly says that
analog frigate
I have our entire cellular biology department working on this, but so far
little progress has been made. Even after the parasite is removed, the viral
load increases. We cannot stop the progress of the virus, and our only
defense is SCBA Level A suits when in NAM-V hotspots. Even with this level of protection, the parasites are finding ways in.
pure ferry
"The viral load increases when you remove the parasite" in no way says "the parasite carries nam-v"
it could be a parasite weakning the immune system
analog frigate
yet again, i'm not saying the parasite causes NAM-V, it carries it
pure ferry
And it does not imply that the virus can only spread via a parasite
analog frigate
yes
pure ferry
Actually, with an R0 of 9(!!) it would be almost impossible for a parasite to be the sole cause
analog frigate
well i don't know then
i'm just going to go with what i assume the log means
the virus can spread in different ways, but the main one is attaching to some sort of parasite
pure ferry
Very possible, but i'm pointing out that the connection between the two isn't clear and there isn't more circumstantial data to back that up
No mention of a parasite in hospital logs for example
Basically: more info required
analog frigate
a random hospital in manchester isn't a team of the best researchers hired by the richest company on earth
pure ferry
Yeah but you probably wouldn't miss a parasite
Especially if it's a pandemic
Where it isn't just 1 backwater hospital
analog frigate
i don't think they care what spreads it, but how to cure it
pure ferry
That hospital was manchester too, far from garganta, so if it's there, it's probably everywhere and has been extenstively studied
analog frigate
yes
pure ferry
Again, that's not proof of anything other than we don't know enough to make any definitive statements
They've left us hanging on purpose xD
grim flicker
So in short
-Humanity got ravaged by NAM-V
-Humanity could still be alive aside from ourselves
-Some time after this Warden goes active
-Warden is using prisoners' for it's goal(S) which may be to find a cure to NAM-V or kickstart human repopulation (some evidence from what i've read suggests this with retrieving HSU stuff)
- Or humanity could have recovered and the rundowns are just a morbid as hell gameshow or the warden has other goals.
analog frigate
possibly
pure ferry
The thing is, we don't know much of anything outside garganta, so we should probably just hold onto our theories for now
We know that the warden was BIOCOM
And that an external source injected a new process (WRDN) into it
And that external network connections were still disabled when this was done
So whoever or whatever ran the WRDN process, did it from inside garganta
Which might also imply at least someone lived
Or maybe they just lived long enough to do that and then died and we've been running missions for eons
grim flicker
Eh not eons
pure ferry
Yeah, probably not, everything would corrode xD
analog frigate
we should be around max 30 years into the future
less if we comply with the god damn magic plants
the god damn plants drive me insane
grim flicker
without being maintained with how much rain the area (considering its always raining when we get sent down) most of the rig for sending us down would just not work and be falling apart.
pure ferry
Yeah i think it's reasonable to assume at most a few yrs have gone by, if not less, cuz things like reactors don't tend to last too long without maintenance
pure ferry
But it could be plot armor
analog frigate
but a couple were on
grim flicker
what type of reactors?
analog frigate
they could've been turned on by the internal garganta systems
analog frigate
what type of reactors?
nuclear
the magic nuclear reactors
because apparently 5cm of glass can stop all the radiation
but that's not the issue
the plants are
grim flicker
Then depending on power demand, reactors can keep running for several years without needing actual human interference. More likely the turbines would break down before the reactor itself would
pure ferry
what type of reactors?
I think they mentioned geothermal and nuclear, but i don't know if any others were used
analog frigate
@frail pollen doc please at least add lighting to where the plants are in some way so we don't go insane by their logic
analog frigate
Then depending on power demand, reactors can keep running for several years with...
true
pure ferry
Honestly, only a geothermal would last a year without refuelling but we can ignore the technical details cuz plot
analog frigate
and they are from the future
by the richest companies in the world
some parts sourced by nyxos probably
i imagine they could last a while without human interference
pure ferry
Then depending on power demand, reactors can keep running for several years with...
Most still require maintenance, even if it's basic maintenance
analog frigate
seeing as the internal garganta systems could handle it
at least managing output and temperature and stuff
pure ferry
But if the plot needs something, that supersedes all technical issues xD
analog frigate
ace, we don't care about plot armor
it will be analysed lorewise
just because it can be thrown off because of plot doesn't matter
pure ferry
I don't think you can reasonably expect every nuance and detail of the setting to be carefully constructed, some things you have to suspend reality for.
grim flicker
Most still require maintenance, even if it's basic maintenance
really depending type of reactor, once the reaction is started as long as some dumb ass doesn't shove a fuel rod too far in without a SCRAM system to shut it down for you. They are very safe and fairly cheap to maintain. as i said the turbines would break far before the reactor would stop working
pure ferry
Certainly, judging the plot writers for not being intimately proficient in multiple engineering disciplines seems a little much
analog frigate
true
but seeing for how long the lore community has been active
i imagine they would expect it to be thought of
grim flicker
And a reactor without a working turbine might as well be an off reactor
analog frigate
really depending type of reactor, once the reaction is started as long as some d...
yeah
so the reactors aren't much of a time limitation
grim flicker
turbines however need to be worked on quite often because well, they're a turbine and move constantly.
analog frigate
depends what they are made of
what are nuclear reactor turbines made of normally?
pure ferry
really depending type of reactor, once the reaction is started as long as some d...
I mean, i actually am an engineer, we can have the technical discussion of how different reactors might and might not work if you want, but before that, i challenge you to list a single mechanical system that can run continuously for 12 months unsupervised, under sustained load without any form of maintenance, downtime or failure.
analog frigate
carbon high steel?
analog frigate
I mean, i actually am an engineer, we can have the technical discussion of how d...
nothing much but it really depends
analog frigate
starting and stopping causes more stress than just constant running
grim flicker
Things need lubrication. bearings wear out. Blades get damaged from debris that sometimes somehow gets in there.
analog frigate
the design of all the mechanical components, the electrical system and load
analog frigate
Things need lubrication. bearings wear out. Blades get damaged from debris that ...
i imagine they would spend a lot of money and effort to minimise down time and maintenance
solar nova
Tbf, the lockdown report suggests that action was taken to shut down most reactors, and there may be fail-safes in place to automatically turn things off if a failure is detected.
analog frigate
and it could be that the warden started some successfully
solar nova
Also entirely possible that the WRDN maintains some facilities.
analog frigate
and didn't cause a zone wide alarm
analog frigate
Also entirely possible that the WRDN maintains some facilities.
it think it does
pure ferry
I'm of the opinion that it's 'the plot requires some reactors to be working' is the best explanation, because i can think of no way any system could run without maintenance for more than a month or so and certainly they wouldn't shut down in a way that you can just run a terminal command to get them back up
analog frigate
we have to go through expedition order
some expeditions require areas to be running
those areas can't just be activated once and not managed
like a generator
or the entire electrical system
grim flicker
A single reactor can produce a massive amount of power,
solar nova
I'm of the opinion that it's 'the plot requires some reactors to be working' is ...
I mean, there's no much reason they shouldn't, and there's a whole long start-up process of high intensity tests.
analog frigate
yes
pure ferry
Starting up a nuclear reactor is a 72 hour long process though
analog frigate
yeah
grim flicker
So the other reactors might not have been on in the first place and were there in case an experiment required absurd amounts of power.
pure ferry
Trust me, if you can bend those laws, we aren't worried about NAM-V
analog frigate
you are telling me you can see alive animals and such through walls
and then ping them and continuously track their position
pure ferry
Yes, that's exactly what i'm saying, that's not even close to the same thing
analog frigate
biometric scanners are like fingerprint readers
grim flicker
Maybe not through walls and the bioscanner is likely part motion tracker, thermal sensor, and sound sensors.
pure ferry
Nuclear decay is governed by the weak nuclear force. Being able to rewrite the laws of physics at a whim is not a trivial ability
analog frigate
true
grim flicker
maybe configured in a way to detect the typical behavior of sleepers/Scouts and such.
I was referring to the doors that scan you when you said bioscanners
analog frigate
ah no
grim flicker
Biometrics are simply a biological metric to be measured. the doors might just scan to see if we have mutations
analog frigate
the biotracker
sorry for that
they really need to change up the names
since they both are called bioscans
solar nova
The doors are probably just trying to ID everyone that wants to open them.
solar nova
Well, probably not very often.
Most of the security objectives probably give us access, and even then most alarms are probably the WRDN pulling some strings to make sure doors will actually open.
analog frigate
true
grim flicker
yeah as i said with the tracker it's most likely a scanner that detects:
-motion
-heat
-sound
-maybe seismic activity
All configured to detect sleepers and their ilk.
pure ferry
My theory on alarm doors is that the system is trying to ID you as being authorized, can't ID you properly, and the warden intercepts the security check and sends back the digital equivalent of 'nah nah, these guys are authorized, give it another check'
grim flicker
hell it being a type of seismic detector originally would make sense since it was mining facility at one point
analog frigate
it was developed by KDS
but we don't know if it was before the sleeper crisis or after for the deal with Santonian
rich blaze
Sec Doors don't exist until the blast of 2053 btw
analog frigate
yeah
grim flicker
I thought sleepers came about after the facility was originally sealed by biocomm?
analog frigate
no
rich blaze
So it could be that BIOCOM didn't get the accesses because there were more urgent stuff to do
analog frigate
a bit after they drilled into the meteorite
grim flicker
Why you gotta poke the spooky space rock?
rich blaze
I thought sleepers came about after the facility was originally sealed by biocom...
Sleepers were already there and there were fights against the project Insight teama
analog frigate
So it could be that BIOCOM didn't get the accesses because there were more urge...
it didn't have much access after it tried to reroute power to KDS Deep and almost explode the electrical system
solar nova
My theory on alarm doors is that the system is trying to ID you as being authori...
My headcanon for why scans are so wack is that the there's some sort of exploit in bioscans the WRDN is abusing, but doing so requires they check for personnel in very strange areas.
grim flicker
the spooky space rock pokes back
rich blaze
Why you gotta poke the spooky space rock?
Around a hundred billion value of Iridium, not counting Cretasium and the Hammerstein Artifacts
analog frigate
My headcanon for why scans are so wack is that the there's some sort of exploit ...
well we can't really test that seeing we are only the 4 main KSOs
solar nova
Sec Doors don't exist until the blast of 2053 btw
Wait, where is that info coming from?
rich blaze
Wait, where is that info coming from?
Death of Andrew Clinton, log of D2
solar nova
Ah, a new log.
pure ferry
Around a hundred billion value of Iridium, not counting Cretasium and the Hammer...
I don't think they knew about the other things when they went down there
solar nova
I'm still waiting for Chase to get all of those.
analog frigate
yeah there's still a lot missing in his timeline
rich blaze
I don't think they knew about the other things when they went down there
Oh for sure, I just added them as reason they Continued drilling
analog frigate
there are around 10-15 audio logs and something like almost 20 text ones
grim flicker
I was sad last expedition i went in i tried querying the computer for memes
it said none found.
solar nova
Wouldn't be related to the individuals, just the methodology of opening alarm doors.
grim flicker
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analog frigate
if we could see the back end of the systems it would answer a lot about what the warden does and what it's goal is
rich blaze
Also : Personally my headcanon (Thanks to Murmer for original idea) is that the NAM-V is Parasite Carried Prion
solar nova
Isn't it explicitly viral?
rich blaze
For me the way it attacks Reminds me too much of a Prion
analog frigate
personally i've gotten from the analysis log that it's a deadly virus with an airborne parasite carrier
solar nova
Could be waterborne.
analog frigate
the fog?
rich blaze
Also there's whatever talking to Schaeffer in C2
solar nova
That would be waterborne if it depends on moisture in the air.
pure ferry
Aren't prion's misfolded proteins though? Not easy to spread
analog frigate
That would be waterborne if it depends on moisture in the air.
probably not
it would spread with the fog
rich blaze
Aren't prion's misfolded proteins though? Not easy to spread
They Basically misfold other proteins, so as long as they are in they're in
solar nova
It seems like it does, though?
rich blaze
It's almost unstoppable
analog frigate
prion?
grim flicker
the fog is likely the contamination not NAM-V
solar nova
It seems like fog becomes infectious if ventilation fails to clear it out.
solar nova
I don't buy it, frankly.
pure ferry
prion?
It's like one of those minor disease types that are not viruses or bacteria
Misfolded protein in this case
analog frigate
ah
analog frigate
interesting
rich blaze
Those are Very rare, but unstoppable with Modern Science
grim flicker
or is that something else?
analog frigate
Not a medical expert but i do think you can get them from eatting people.
@vague loom could give us some insight maybe
analog frigate
Those are Very rare, but unstoppable with Modern Science
could be
vague loom
yes
rich blaze
There's also the MAD cow disease who's prion based
pure ferry
You can (in theory) get it in any form of transmission, but proteins aren't sturdy outside a body, so it's kinda limited to whatever environment doesn't kill them
vague loom
prion diseases are misfolded proteins that 'zombify' other proteins by converting / folding them to the same configuration
In cannibalism, the disease is called Kuru
pure ferry
Yeah mad cow is the most famous example
vague loom
Mad Cow disease is also a prion disease, but its human form is known as Creutzfeld Jakob disease.
the misfolded proteins cause spongy spaces to form in the brain tissue as it dies.
grim flicker
I'm not a medical expert i have a interest in medical stuff due to my own condition.
vague loom
i'm a fourth year med student, nearly graduated.
grim flicker
But i only certification i have concerning medical is CPR.
rich blaze
What reminded me of a prion disease @vague loom is that it's tendency to attack Nervous system + Cerebral Matter first (Subject Analysis, R5E1)
pure ferry
But i only certification i have concerning medical is CPR.
Always a good thing to know
analog frigate
can you link me to that log?
rich blaze
The problem is the whole ossification thing
grim flicker
i'm a fourth year med student, nearly graduated.
what field exactly? if you don't mind me asking?
vague loom
can be due to an immune response.
@grim flicker we don't specialise in medical school but my areas of interest are transmissible diseases and trauma surgery
grim flicker
cool.
vague loom
@rich blaze see condition known as Ankylosing Spondylitis; autoimmune condition leading to ossification of spaces between the vertebrae leading to something known as "bamboo spine"
from what i see of the report, sounds like an elongation of the neck with a localised inflammatory effect leading to spinal consolidation of the neck. Might make sense why the head splits; there's simply not enough space in neck-head skin for the extension.
analog frigate
loot you really need to write an analysis on sleeper biology
vague loom
they do mention in that bio that the infection is both parasite and virus based
rich blaze
"Real NAM-V samples for a P4 Lab" 
vague loom
my best guess is parasite needs suitable hosts, virus needs parasite as a vector.
rich blaze
And the fact the parasites manage to bypass SBCB
grim flicker
I did a bit a research into my own condition personally. I was born with brain damage that renders me mute.
vague loom
symbiotic relationship between parasite and virus; parasite infects host, lays eggs, eggs spread throughout body giving initial diagnosis; body fluids of mature parasite containing virus also spread.
rich blaze
By the way Gremlin, opinion on the R4/R5 chemicals that we went to search and have actual info on them?
pure ferry
***maybe i can get one in a lab to study...***
cfoam it and bring it back
you'll have a new pet
vague loom
parasite eggs attach at top of spinal cord; hatch, form colony in a sleeper; virus makes host DNA pliable; allows for modifications to body under stress and pressure of parasitic infection
basically the virus makes the victim the perfect host while the parasites make for good colony-ships for the viruses.
analog frigate
that's what i've been thinking
vague loom
@rich blaze i'm relatively new, only done B1 deepest;
if you could link me to the chems, i'll have a look
analog frigate
<@!89719530229604352> i'm relatively new, only done B1 deepest;
d1
pure ferry
the problem is the virus seems to be capable of spreading independently of the parasite
analog frigate
that's not a problem
the virus spreads mainly with the parasite by being attached to it
vague loom
the problem is the virus seems to be capable of spreading independently of the p...
that's partially due to the conditions of being underground.
analog frigate
it's not incorporated into it
vague loom
have you seen the fog?
analog frigate
some goods transported outside of garganta could easily have the virus attached to them
pure ferry
no, i mean beyond garganta
analog frigate
have you seen the fog?
what about the fog
vague loom
it's not inconcievable that the virus itself can survive airborne, with sufficient humidity and heat.
pure ferry
there's no indication of a parasite abroad
grim flicker
NAM-V isn't the contamination that caused the sleeper i think?
pure ferry
if the virus needed the parasite, that wouldn't happen
analog frigate
NAM-V isn't the contamination that caused the sleeper i think?
sorta but not confirmed
vague loom
i think the Sleeper's very much a combo of parasite-virus.
analog frigate
if the virus needed the parasite, that wouldn't happen
it doesn't
pure ferry
i think the sleeper's are probably the result of the parasite/virus combo
but nam-v seems like it can live independently of the parasite
analog frigate
somewhat
pure ferry
it would make sense that sleepers are a result of parasites, but then how does nam-v tie into it if neither are necessary for the other
rich blaze
<@!89719530229604352> i'm relatively new, only done B1 deepest;
It's almost completely peptids btw,
R4 Chemicals I found :
- Insulin Like Growth Factors (I tied it at the time with the possible spikes of Chargers)
- GLP-1
- Omega Sleep Inducing Peptids (I've been theorising that it was Hydrostasis Chemicals, and that Omega sleep was below the human "Delta Sleep" (Dreamless Sleep) with Omega Brainwaves being below 0.5Hz
analog frigate
somewhat
it replaces the RNA then damages the DNA so that it's rebuilt with it's own RNA
iirc
grim flicker
as i said i looked more in the neurological side of things. stuff i remember about viruses is a little fuzzy at best.
vague loom
IGF-1 --> it's a chemical produced by the body prompting a rise in growth in response to sugar in the blood.
GLP-1 --> glycogen like peptide. Antithetical to the IGF-1
Omega sleep inducing peptids --> probably some form of melatonin + Fentanyl combo; sedative plus sleep medication. meant to keep us in deep sleep.
I'd say IGF-1 isn't as likely in the chargers, more probably in the Big Striker and Big Shooter morphs.
GLP-1 activity could have been what inhibited the growth of most sleepers into the larger morphs
vague loom
it replaces the RNA then damages the DNA so that it's rebuilt with it's own RNA
you're thinking of reverse transcriptase viruses like HIV
rich blaze
I saw bone growth and was not that well versed, hence my idea of Chargers, but it makes sense
vague loom
I saw bone growth and was not that well versed, hence my idea of Chargers, but i...
my main question in excessive bone growth is "where are they getting the calcium?"
so i'd say for the chargers, it's less bone growth, and more keratin
analog frigate
you're thinking of reverse transcriptase viruses like HIV
probably, i'm not educated enough in almost all fields of biology so i can't help much here
rich blaze
oh, you mean like Horns?
vague loom
they're not claws a la wolverine, they're claws a la porcupine quills
rich blaze
or in human example, nails
vague loom
probably, i'm not educated enough in almost all fields of biology so i can't hel...
reverse transcriptase uses cell nucleotides to reverse engineer a DNA genetic code from RNA, which then uses cell ligase to cut host dna and integrate itself.
the best example of this is actually not HIV; it's Varicella Zoster, or chickenpox.
It becomes so ingrained into the host DNA that the changes happen to the host (in this case, a vesicular rash expressed in times of significant stress) are deemed nearly physiological.
i really want to science geek about these infested
they're super fascinating from a biology standpoint.
grim flicker
I wonder what exactly causes the photophobia in the sleepers?
vague loom
I did a bit a research into my own condition personally. I was born with brain d...
AV malformations? sounds like a mini-stroke that killed the speech coordination and control.
vague loom
I wonder what exactly causes the photophobia in the sleepers?
meningism. Infection causes inflammation of the meninges of the brain; leading to neck stiffness, fever, and photophobia.
at least early on when they're still using eyes.
later stage i'd think given how translucent the skin is that we can see a bioluminescent "heartbeat" engine start up
it could be heat from our lamps.
pain and heat use the same spinal fibers to transmit; would be stimulus enough to get them to react.
proof is that sufficiently powerful LEDs still produce heat when shone. glowsticks, which are chemoluminescent, don't produce that much heat, and hence the sleepers don't react as much to them.
grim flicker
AV malformations? sounds like a mini-stroke that killed the speech coordination ...
No idea exactly what caused it but that is a possibility i didn't really get to look into it in depth until i was in high school. been like this since i was born. Other than not being able to vocalize at all i'm mostly functional rather than being unable to have children (that is believed to be more caused due to stress i was under at the time more than anything)
I call it brain damage but it might be more accurate to call it a birth defect or something .my doctor classified it as brain damage though. and we didn't have the money to look into it further at the time (grew up in eastern europe. and my family was in a little bit of a tight spot when i was born)
My mother is an albino so it may have been a factor.
Either way i was otherwise a healthy baby and have no outstanding neurological problems otherwise as far as i'm aware.
I do know however
no matter what i do
I cannot force a sound out of my mouth willing and i don't make involuntary noises. Sneezes and sighing are about as loud as i get.
Sorry for the delay in reply.
But yeah the exact cause is a bit of a mystery
analog frigate
that sounds really sad
grim flicker
Eh you adapt
analog frigate
but i suppose it depends on how the person is
topaz flare
but i suppose it depends on how the person is
some adapt some break
analog frigate
hey rey
yeah true
but for example
i don't talk almost at all to people in person
so for me it's not an issue if it were to happen
but some people like to communicate
and it's bad if they can't
topaz flare
i don't talk almost at all to people in person
me as well im a bit introverted
grim flicker
Honestly growing up was rough not due to my family but due to how people treated me growing up (not just my peers)
Bigot'd community
was Put in the "tard" classes until i proved i wasn't mentally deficient and that was really fucking hard to do.
My family is loving and amazing.
Just outside of it wasn't the greatest
vague loom
Sorry to hear that...
grim flicker
but yeah these days I can't complain too much
Married to massive dork but I love him dearly
Live the the states now
Have a job i mostly enjoy
analog frigate
as long as times aren't bad, they are good
grim flicker
I mean i do have gripes, and i do have to deal with assholes/karens
but so does everybody
Either way i think i've derailed things enough in lore chat.
Either way i think i've derailed things enough in lore chat.
that said i don't mind if people have questions feel free to @ me in general or dm me
analog frigate
alright
but i think we should get back to topic
@vague loom write a god damn paper that you can post in the lore server
analog frigate
yeah but it's pretty inactive
analog frigate
Also i wouldn't know where to start haha
i can guide you
me and @leaden dagger have been working on the ecology
as in how they behave
a species analysis and some other stuff
a species analysis and some other stuff
the three of us can join one of the vc and work on it at some point
grim flicker
the way the lore is presented in this game reminds me a lot of bloodborne/dark souls.
which is a good thing
grim flicker
Yep not to mention some of the environmental storytelling you see.
rich blaze
I personally prefer the logs 👀
lofty cave
Yep not to mention some of the environmental storytelling you see.
would be nice to see more of it
grim flicker
we will i'm sure of it
lofty cave
well, im playing not for so long, i started at rundown 5. But compare to R5, R6 has a lot more lore-wise things and i love it
nice to see some progress in that regard
grim flicker
i think game worlds that don't shove everything about them in your face and explain everything feel more real.
Since the world doesn't care if you know every event that has happened.
and I feel the logs are interesting in the way that it can be a report, or thoughts of someone. it may not be accurate information or it might be biased in some way. you're reading an account of something, and allows for a unreliable narrator
solar nova
well, im playing not for so long, i started at rundown 5. But compare to R5, R6 ...
R2 lore 😳
analog frigate
Yep not to mention some of the environmental storytelling you see.
god don't get me started on the environment
analog frigate
Yep not to mention some of the environmental storytelling you see.
god don't get me started on the environment
just try and don't pay attention to it
or it will drive you insane
logs and text is better
logs and text is better
grim flicker
lol try bloodborne lore
or HP lovecraft
original HP lovecraft stories.
they didn't age well.
grim flicker
GTFO lore: kinda horrifying in a cool way
GTFO gameplay: haha hammer go bonk.
lilac island
bloodborne lore is far, far easier to get ahold of than gtfo lore
but then again 90% of the time i play gtfo i'm either alone or duo, while i have a few thousand hours in the soulsborne games
vague loom
bloodborne is blood-related diseases on every anabolic steroid known to man XD
plus a killer soundtrack that's very souls-y
GTFO is cyberpunk dystopian AI supremacy gone wrong
plus a killer soundtrack that's very souls-y
GTFO is cyberpunk dystopian AI supremacy gone wrong
plus a killer soundtrack that's very souls-y
brazen falcon
What the hell is matter wave projector? What's it's purpose?
vague loom
It projects a matter wave :)
brazen falcon
Nice explanation
vague loom
Jokes aside, it probably functions as a coordinate "lock on" for the teleporter
brazen falcon
when i picked it up this thing teleported me in desert.
subtle verge
I believe it's a catalyst for temporal/dimensional jumping, kind of like a targeting mechanism like Greml1n said.
brazen falcon
interesting
And the sleepers? B1 is an actual lab, i can see there some green bottles with unfinished sleepers. People who were working in the Complex were creating them?
vague loom
or pickling em
subtle verge
Mmm.. pickles.
dim scroll
And the sleepers? B1 is an actual lab, i can see there some green bottles with u...
studying
dim scroll
No ?
There are mention of a virus (NAM-V) along with a parasite
the thing is the transformation isn't instantaneous
So they could've studied people in the middle of transformation
brazen falcon
10 chambers should create a lore book and sell them. That would be awesome.
With illustrations and codes....cool
subtle verge
As far as I'm aware and the way I understand it as it was explained to me: the virus and parasites came from drilling in to the meteor that is in the crater; I could be slightly off track with this one, but that's how I understood it.
brazen falcon
As far as I'm aware and the way I understand it as it was explained to me: the v...
There's a meteor?
dim scroll
Yes
subtle verge
Yes, we're in the Chicxulub crater, the one that wiped the dinosaurs out. Edit: spelling.
dim scroll
chicxulub
subtle verge
Check the pinned comments for the channel, there's a compilation of all of the known logs and a timeline of events that lead to the here and now.
It's the 3rd pin.
brazen falcon
So, complex is built in the crater, huh?
subtle verge
Yes, Garganta is built in the crater.
shadow igloo
Yes, we're in the Chicxulub crater, the one that wiped the dinosaurs out. Edit: ...
Seems fitting it was ultimately the source of 2 mass extinctions
subtle verge
If the GTFO universe is truly mass extinction #6, then boy do I have a song for it. Lmfao.
grim flicker
Well NAM-V isn't what created the sleepers from what i understand.
what is referred to as the contamination is.
Nam-V may not have came from the meteor. But it also may have and gotten out way before the contagion started being an issue.
NAM-V is transmitted via some sort of parasite. and i assume is also water/bloodborne or airborne to some degree
NAM-V has a possibly high fatality rate and can be suppressed but can also flair up and kill survivors
I do not think NAM-V is as deadly as others think it is because apparently it still when something is super deadly it can kill faster than it can infect. thats one of the reasons the plague stopped spreading. killed people too quickly.
analog frigate
What the hell is matter wave projector? What's it's purpose?
it's a device that uses the crystals found on red alpha and some in the meteorite to teleport using quantum entanglement. if the crystals are just touched, you will just be teleported to a random location on red alpha, replacing all the particles that you teleported into. the matter wave projector uses the teleportation room as to control the location of teleportation, without it, you will just end up somewhere
analog frigate
And the sleepers? B1 is an actual lab, i can see there some green bottles with u...
studying them
grim flicker
NAM-V from logs is similar to HIV according to gremlin in that like HIV it can never truly be cured but can be treated
analog frigate
Sleepers are created by nature?
technically yes, they are mutations of humans, at least the humanoid ones
analog frigate
10 chambers should create a lore book and sell them. That would be awesome.
not likely but the community probably will
grim flicker
but yeah bad shit went down since they started poking the spooky space rock
analog frigate
So, complex is built in the crater, huh?
garganta is built as an iridium mine, accidentally being on top of the meteorite
analog frigate
Check the pinned comments for the channel, there's a compilation of all of the k...
yes, it's the same meteorite that caused the extinction of the dinosaurs
it ended up there most likely due to accidental activation of the crystals, teleporting a chunk of red alpha to the inner solar system
if i need to elaborate anything just tell me
subtle verge
Damn Lovecraftian horrors and their shoddy horror science. 
analog frigate
also i somehow replied to the wrong message, sorry punk
subtle verge
Lmao no worries, man.
brazen falcon
Damn, @analog frigate, so many answers! Thank you so much!
analog frigate
if you need anything more just ask :)
subtle verge
I wonder if we'll have a new enemy type that does a DoT effect in the future; I think it would make sense since the majority of Sleepers have a proboscis (or proboscis-like) mouth/head.
brazen falcon
Thanks! I'm sure that i'm gonna have more questions when i finally finish B1
analog frigate
oh boy you will definitely have
brazen falcon
Ooh my, okay. I'm intrigued!
subtle verge
I definitely had questions coming out of B1, C1, and D1, but once I learned more of the history/backstory of previous rundowns in here (yesterday, actually) a lot of my questions were pretty much answered.
grim flicker
Thanks! I'm sure that i'm gonna have more questions when i finally finish B1
Beware the|| deadly fart gas|| if you go|| B2||
brazen falcon
Scary black
grim flicker
But yeah outside of the facility we have no idea what's actually going on.
Humanity could be fine
Humanity could be mostly extinct
Humanity could be in endangered but recovering
Humanity may have returned to monke
But right now all we know is the warden is working towards something and they/it is willing to use override a program that recommends we be "retired" when we boot the game.
which in itself implies that the warden is desperate to achieve their goals if it's using assets that are possibly a liability.
analog frigate
we know for sure that it's not fine
mostly extinct it likely
also we are classified retired by KDS
so we aren't able to actually be put into use
analog frigate
us two and @vague loom need to gather up and write a paper about sleepers
analog frigate
aight
topaz flare
us two and <@!156121459498942464> need to gather up and write a paper about slee...
what ya going to write?
analog frigate
genetics, form, ecology, mutation ect
just explanations
to gather up what we know
topaz flare
i see GL
analog frigate
me and dagga have been working on their behavior a lot
leaden dagger
yessir yessir
analog frigate
and gremlin really managed to gather a lot about their biology
so together we should be able to make a good essay about them
subtle verge
With their legs. 
topaz flare
With their legs. <:FingerGuns:842454466946007040>
ahhhh i see thanks for the answer
topaz flare
in the complex
vague loom
like how do the enemies move around the complex?
vague loom
i assume they have remnant cycles of activity. As time progresses; you get sleepers waking and wandering.
analog frigate
Yo
you, me and dagga can write an essay about sleepers
you got a lot about their biology
vague loom
Or we've established with the Scouts; the wave that blasts out of them is not just a scream but also a pheromone.
analog frigate
me and dagga got a lot about behavior and ecology
so together we should be able to
vague loom
it's entirely possible that in order to "spread" the parasite has a directive to move to areas of low pheromonic concentration.
topaz flare
you, me and dagga can write an essay about sleepers
||suggest putting sleepers in classes like class 1 and above for devs to use!||
analog frigate
what?
topaz flare
it's entirely possible that in order to "spread" the parasite has a directive to...
i see
also is it a parasite or a virus?
topaz flare
cause a parasite would have some manner of intelligent if super duper low it still uses it
but sleepers are just deadbrain fully
at least thats what my definition of parasite is
ANYWAY GL
vague loom
if you think parasites are dumb, there's always leucochloridium; and of course, cordyceps, xymothoa exsangua, heck, even toxoplasmosis gondii affects behaviour.
they're mostly microscopic parasites, with nowhere near enough brain matter to be "smart" but it's able to influence its host.
if a parasite adhered to brainstem and breathed and shat neurotransmitters; it's entirely possible it could hijack the brain by controlling presence of thought when it recieves stimuli
subtle verge
Hairworms are another great example, too.
toxic moon
hairworms are gnarly af
vague loom
oh yeah the horse hairworms that infect mantises.
subtle verge
I had a small self-sustaining cricket farm for my Emperor Scorpion (RIP) get annihilated by a single infected cricket. Seriously one of the most gnarly parasites out there.
subtle verge
I'm actually incredibly curious on the evolution of the Sleepers/Scouts/etc. Like I wonder if it's a genetic predisposition that determines what becomes what.
Or if there's some kind of symbiotic relationship between multiple infected hosts that eventually become mothers/tanks.
analog frigate
that's what me and dagga have been figuring out
they are like a hive
bees or ants
subtle verge
That would make sense with the existence of ||Titans and how it can spawn the flyers at will.||
Oops, spoileronis.
analog frigate
i'll be showing d1 to a friend of mine so i won't be able to reply for some time but i'll still read the messages
analog frigate
Oops, spoileronis.
no need
toxic moon
is there a lore reason for the way the bio-scans work? lol
analog frigate
if someone goes in the lore channel, they can expect spoilers
subtle verge
That's fair.
analog frigate
is there a lore reason for the way the bio-scans work? lol
the biotracker or regular bioscans?
topaz flare
im still waiting for Doc to give @analog frigate the lore keeper role
toxic moon
the biotracker or regular bioscans?
the alarm door scans
analog frigate
the alarm door scans
biometrics
vague loom
i'd say it's ensuring that we're who we say we are, scanning us for body type and signal
toxic moon
i'd say it's ensuring that we're who we say we are, scanning us for body type an...
yeah but why would they move around the way they do?
topaz flare
yeah but why would they move around the way they do?
its called game logic
vague loom
my guess would be that back when this place was fully functional, the bioscans would do that to ensure swift, coordinated movement; that shows higher level understanding.
toxic moon
its called **game logic**
lol yeah, i'm just curious if anyone's attempted to come up with a lore reason for it
vague loom
the sleepers and others are shown to nearly be bestial; i don't think they'd follow rules very well.
topaz flare
lol yeah, i'm just curious if anyone's attempted to come up with a lore reason f...
i mean bioscans before were just warden hacking the door for us
toxic moon
my guess would be that back when this place was fully functional, the bioscans w...
hey that's pretty good
subtle verge
I think I more subscribe to the idea that they're doors that the Warden can't unlock on it's own and require physical bodies that have the BIOCOM implant to be present as a failsafe/check.
topaz flare
so it could be that the door has some point of contacts in the electrics under the floor that warden has to fix or hack
and thats why there is a whiteline and scans
toxic moon
my guess would be that back when this place was fully functional, the bioscans w...
hey that's pretty good
vague loom
also, i'd like to think that our bio-trackers; it's anything that doesn't have a chip.
toxic moon
that was my thinking-- like maybe the warden is hacking the doors and needs you to move around for signal reception
subtle verge
Or yeah, they could be doors that required a certain level of clearance to get through?
topaz flare
and thats why there is a whiteline and scans
i think mine will make a bit too much sense lol
topaz flare
Or yeah, they could be doors that required a certain level of clearance to get t...
i mean from what i see we have the highest of clearance level
to move around in the complex
considering that we are most likely here to save the planet by finding a cure
leaden dagger
the doors and scanner are definitely biocom chip related
subtle verge
I mean previously before Warden existed.
topaz flare
the doors and scanner are definitely biocom chip related
ye
topaz flare
I mean previously before Warden existed.
the doors were most likely just a normal team scan
like how every door that doesn't have an alarm
vague loom
considering that we are most likely here to save the planet by finding a cure
We're here because the warden needs meatsuits to do what it cannot
topaz flare
its just a full team and silent scans are most likely broken doors that have there alarms broken
vague loom
We're cannon fodder at best
leaden dagger
yup
topaz flare
its just a full team and silent scans are most likely broken doors that have there alarms broken
subtle verge
I love being a meat puppet.
leaden dagger
yup
topaz flare
We're here because the warden needs meatsuits to do what it cannot
i mean i have a headcannon but i dont like to share it cause ppl dont like it much
cause they think its unrealistic 😐
cause they think its unrealistic 😐
vague loom
Lol whats is it
vague loom
Original 5 as in the original few survivors?
topaz flare
what if real scheafer/woods/dauda/hackket/bish-op were the warden
and we are just clones
think about it
subtle verge
LMAO unrealistic in science fiction? Copium. Brain implants? Copium. Automated turrets? Copium. Parasitic world-destroying diseases? Copium. 
topaz flare
they all have set of skills that are best for the job
think about it
bishop was a programmer for the complex
woods and hackket were fighters
scheafer knows the complex the best
what if this 5 are trying there best to find a cure
like how scheafer says in D1
like how scheafer says in D1
"what if the warden is us" or "what if the warden isn't the bad guy"
leaden dagger
he may not know the warden is an ai though
topaz flare
if you think about it it makes sense as we know outside world is not good at all
vague loom
They'd know though, that the ideal isn't to just send 4 folks in a guerrilla war.
It'd be to let as many prisoners free to purge the complex as possible.
topaz flare
he may not know the warden is an ai though
true but we all know that the 5 of us have nightmares of old us memories scattered around
topaz flare
It'd be to let as many prisoners free to purge the complex as possible.
that may not be a option tho as we know prisoners are meant to be drone like entities
for max effect
vague loom
again, yes; but it's horrifically inefficient to only send a group of 4 down.
even to open doors using the bioscan
vague loom
many tasks would be made easier by having staging areas be made.
topaz flare
they can do operations all around the complex
bishop designed an AI for the complex before
why not make another one?
for hacking doors
the only thing we know that really works on sleepers is that they sense fear
well at least thats hinted at
by C2 skin crawler logs
also sending a fucking army down a hole isn't really an option is it with world being in chaos and ppl pulling funds from santonia
what there going to go out and say AHHHHHHHHHHHH YA ALIENS OR SOMETHING HELP
leaden dagger
they'd use the prisoners and people in HSU's they already have
topaz flare
anyway thats my headcannon until its comfirmed or thrown to the trashcan hope you enjoyed it 😄
vague loom
it's not a bad headcanono
subtle verge
Well, it really depends on the context of the mission and the scenarios or what's involved etc. I've been sent on strike teams of 2, 3, 4, 6, up to 10 all depending on what the scenario is. (Mind you, not combat scenarios, but natural disaster relief & hazmat).
It might be that the most efficient way of completing the tasks we're being told to do is to have a strike team (or strike teams) of 4 since there might be very limited provisions in the outer world, it's also not as much noise created, less chance of fratricide or damaging important objects, etc.
vague loom
most of my headcanons are centered more around the biological implications of the virus.
topaz flare
Well, it really depends on the context of the mission and the scenarios or what'...
thats a good factor to take in
topaz flare
most of my headcanons are centered more around the biological implications of th...
i mean they did experiment with the virus
as we know from R5 dauda log 3? or 2
leaden dagger
we need a scientific name for sleepers
since they're not all asleep
they're the next branch of homo sapiens but I suck at Latin so uh
idk what comes next
"corruptum" is Latin for corrupted
tacit garden
we need a scientific name for sleepers
logs call them clickers
toxic moon
homo snoozum
leaden dagger
that's what I'm getting away from is calling them all asleep
leaden dagger
but not all of em
dim scroll
homo sussy bakas
lilac island
homo narcosum
subtle verge
I wouldnt call it homo anything, because its not an evolution of primate or humankind itself, but a biological alteration due to a parasite/virus/disease.
leaden dagger
ah yeah I suppose
lilac island
narco meaning sleep, actually that's a good point
narco as in something like narcolepsy
leaden dagger
ah right, brain fart moment
subtle verge
If anything, you would want to figure out what the parasite/virus/disease is, call it whatever you observe, and then see if it infects only humans, or if it could infect animals/plants/insects.
leaden dagger
ah damn, so we have no idea for awhile
subtle verge
Sorry, on mobile so a bit slow to type. Lmao.
For example in a vague explanation, we have a base level for mushrooms: Fungi, which then has different variants. Zygote, Sac, Club, Chrytrids, etc. And so on and so forth, blah blah blah.
vague loom
The fragilis sopitas
The fragile sleep
Problem is @subtle verge the organism we're dealing with is so far removed from earth biology that they're probably their own species with subspecies host preferences.
subtle verge
Right, I was just giving examples.
vague loom
Yupyup
leaden dagger
they are their own species yes
subtle verge
It's probably it's very own species, which means a whole new classification and evolutionary table is just wide open for scientific discovery.
vague loom
I think they'd be a type of worm. Segmented, from the proboscis used to strike us.
analog frigate
alright any questions needing answers
vague loom
So they'd be annelids
leaden dagger
see but that's only explaining striker variants
we need an overarching species type
that includes every variant
subtle verge
Well, we'd also need to figure out the biology of the initial parasite, too, and see if the parasite/virus has a symbiotic relationship or if the virus itself thrives off the parasite, etc. Etc.
leaden dagger
I'm fairly certain is symbiotic
subtle verge
I lean that way, too
leaden dagger
parasite infects first to make the body susceptible to the virus
which then changes the DNA
subtle verge
I figured out an easy solution for a cure. We just infuse tardigrades that have a hunger for the exact parasite/virus and let them go to work.
Literal indestructible, natural, symbiotic creatures.
I'll take my Nobel Peace Prize now for that trillion dollar idea.
analog frigate
also @topaz flare why do you want doc to give me some lore role
it doesn't exist anyway
faint sonnet
topaz flare
also <@!569403083038392343> why do you want doc to give me some lore role
ya and its fun to have make one and you be the first one to have it 🙂
analog frigate
but why
topaz flare
calle is not online if he was i would have summoned his ass
analog frigate
can't argue with that
topaz flare
welcome back
vague loom
but back to make more conjecture.
finite vine
I figured out an easy solution for a cure. We just infuse tardigrades that have ...
I think the major problem with the virus is the fact that it inflicts somatic mutation. Meaning that it literally alters our species by mutating the cells that we pass on to our offspring.
analog frigate
in immense pain cause i busted my knee
and i burned my entire tongue and most of my mouth with boiling tea
analog frigate
I think the major problem with the virus is the fact that it inflicts somatic mu...
sorta
but it doesn't alter it
it's like the warden BIOCOM situation
finite vine
wdym
analog frigate
it uses humans as a building point
and then mutates off of them
the warden is just the BIOCOM under different protocols
kinda similar
ooh wait my mistake
finite vine
I mean I guess they are similar but then again they are not really similar at all
analog frigate
you are talking about NAM-V
finite vine
oh yea
finite vine
lol np
subtle verge
I think the major problem with the virus is the fact that it inflicts somatic mu...
I guess I should have added a /s to that. Lmfao. I was just trying to meme is all.
finite vine
lmao give him his Nobel peace prize
analog frigate
ah ah, the peace prize would go to me
i and 3 more people are the only ones to do a level pacifist
subtle verge
I think you deserve your own SM dungeon for that amount of masochism. Good lord.
leaden dagger
sleepers are people too 😌
analog frigate
I think you deserve your own SM dungeon for that amount of masochism. Good lord.
i'm planning to do it again
topaz flare
I think you deserve your own SM dungeon for that amount of masochism. Good lord.
SM dungeon?
subtle verge
Best to Google that one so I don't accidentally break a server rule.
subtle verge
i'm planning to do it again
THE MAD MAN.
vagrant fiber
So their like the Chimera from Resistance the Sleepers?
analog frigate
who
vagrant fiber
Chimera space organisms that infect their hosts infecting them with a virus mutating them into suitable hosts. Resistance Fall of Man, Resistance 2, Resistance 3. Nathan Hale.
analog frigate
i don't get the references you are making
vagrant fiber
Apologies Playstation title first person shooter the series is dead now just drawing similarities with GTFO.
leaden dagger
@analog frigate you started anything for the essay yet?
what sections should i work on, the stuff i theorized about most?
subtle verge
Ehhh they're not really close to Resistance's Chimera, per se, though I can see the comparison.
A lot of Chimera are created through a fusion of parasitism and cyber-tech; think more Warhammer-ish vibes.
agile plinth
<@!544486890838032401> you started anything for the essay yet?
uhh well
I've planned that some evening the three of us can go into a vc and start working on it
you and i can split behavior and ecology and help out gremlin with sourcing and stuff
then he can work on the internal biology because somehow he managed to explain almost everything about how they are
i think if we band together we can write something food about sleepers
leaden dagger
yuh epic
vague loom
A lot of Chimera are created through a fusion of parasitism and cyber-tech; thin...
more Quake than warhammer
sour hedge
i and 3 more people are the only ones to do a level pacifist
How do you pacifist a alarm door??
analog frigate
easy: kite
gilded vine
Not killing
analog frigate
r5 had that detail
now r6 will be more interesting
(||even though they haven't actually fixed kiting||)
topaz flare
(||even though they haven't actually fixed kiting||)
no but they made it so you always choose guns over running away for 20 min
cause guns are good in this rundown
delicate creek
and ammo is everywhere
subtle verge
more Quake than warhammer
I've honestly never played Quake so I have no idea the comparison. 
grim flicker
no but they made it so you always choose guns over running away for 20 min
well wouldn't be much point to having guns if they punished you for using them too harshly. Now punishing bad aim is fine IMO.
lilac island
I've honestly never played Quake so I have no idea the comparison. <:thenboom:76...
quake is a kind of different beast depending on which game you talk about, first game is a bunch of psychotic or brainwashed humans combined with eldritch and outright lovecraft inspired creatures hunting the player through different dimensions, until you can reach and kill shub-niggurath
second and fourth games used an alien race called the strogg who would take enemies prisoner, torture them, and forcibly graft cybernetics to their bodies before using a tech implant to make them loyal to the strogg
the more lovecraftian, alien stylings from the first game are more strongly present here in GTFO than anything like the tyranids of 40k, which i presume is the reference the other dude was making
subtle verge
Huh. I'll have to give that a shot since I really enjoy Lovecraftian horror. Thanks for a bit of background!
finite vine
(||even though they haven't actually fixed kiting||)
I mean they kinda have
split flume
question: is the fog in the air a resemblance of the virus/mutation? because of the gasmasks
gilded vine
I'm sticking with my dust theory
subtle verge
What the prisoners wear is a mixture of Class D attire with a Class C facemask (by US OSHA standards). Mainly respiratory protection from dust particles and the like.
And I think the gas in the missions can go through Class A hazmat, but I don't have any basis for that claim other than what I know about NAM-V and the parasite(s).
finite vine
Are u saying that the gas contains NAM-V?
subtle verge
I don't know if it does or doesn't, I'm not even sure what the gas is in all honesty.
I'm probably way off base, but I just know my hazmat since it's my IRL specialty. Lmao.
split flume
you know what, is this game part of the SCP universe at this point? the creatures looks way similar to SCP 5587
finite vine
probably not
split flume
the tech? advanced. Main characters? prisoners. Enemies? sorta of mutated creatures
imo it could be
finite vine
well yea I guess but there is really no evidence at all
the lore probably suggests against it
i dont really know that much about the SCP universe so
subtle verge
I mean, I could make that same claim and say we're part of District 9, or Robo-Cop, or Death Race, or Star Trek/Wars just without laser weaponry (yet), etc.
It's definitely it's own universe with what's written.
finite vine
yep
subtle verge
I can definitely see comparisons and contrasts, though. But I think it's safe to say most sci-fi has a base level of origin and similarity.
analog frigate
I'm sticking with my dust theory
really quad
come on
i literally wrote an essay people agree with that it's a neurotoxin
there are so many reasons it's not dust
analog frigate
you know what, is this game part of the SCP universe at this point? the creature...
no possible connection
so most likely no
subtle verge
i literally wrote an essay people agree with that it's a neurotoxin
Do you have an available link/file? I'd love to read it.
gilded vine
really quad
ur mom
analog frigate
yea that's the one
subtle verge
Interesting. I will say that there is one part of the Toxin theory that I disagree with, and it's not the toxin itself, but the notion that the mask prevents it from getting in to our lungs because we begin coughing and struggling to breathe with liquid-y, gurgle-y, breaths at a certain percentage of infection.
Other than that, yeah, I agree with the theory.
leaden dagger
yeah we'll have to revisit now with r6
subtle verge
Oh, is that a new thing with R6?
leaden dagger
yessir
subtle verge
Dope.
analog frigate
it was there
subtle verge
I do remember the coughing from previous rundowns, but not the liquid-y breaths.
analog frigate
yeah
subtle verge
Actually, theory here: I wonder if it's chlorine gas.
Chlorine in a gaseous form has a green-ish hazy color to it, and it's used for sanitation in some instances.
leaden dagger
hmmm... could be? but also chlorine gas is INSANELY deadly
subtle verge
That is true.
leaden dagger
and we couldn't just... wash it out of us with disinfect
analog frigate
probably not chlorine
leaden dagger
it permanently scars your lungs
leaden dagger
on the right track, just not chlorine
picking out the true chemical could be really hard
analog frigate
it could be something very very specific or a fantasy thing
leaden dagger
so I'm doing some research and found this
the color is wrong but, on the right track
hey hold on
this one is interesting
topaz flare
for the fog?
topaz flare
vision problems
analog frigate
close to being a liquid at around 40C
leaden dagger
no color but checks all our marks
analog frigate
oh sulfur dioxide
and it's a liquid
uh no this doesn't work out
Sulfur dioxide is readily absorbed through the upper respiratory tract; no data were located regarding dermal absorption.
leaden dagger
analog frigate
nah ammonia isn't that dangerous
check for ones that absorb dermally i.e. through the skin
subtle verge
- Visual Impairment
- Respiratory - coughing and liquid buildup in the lungs
- Absorbed through skin and lungs, can be 'washed off' with disinfectant (this could just be game mechanic visual over the actual procedure)
- Non-flammable in gaseous form (or substance is flame retardant to a degree.)
- Light green-blue in color
analog frigate
the liquid buildup in the lungs could be just internal stuff like saliva thickening or snot
pine agate
Okay, so the Spitters are essentially a lifeform that developed around the infectious fog, otherwise they wouldn't give us the same infection. That tells me the fog might've been there way before the Nam-V began creating these creatures. Unless the infection was brought by the Nam-V and the fog is the virus's creation.
leaden dagger
the fog is not from the virus, already ruled out
Nam-V Is separate from sleepers and gas
analog frigate
issue is that this has long lasting effects
analog frigate
Nam-V Is separate from sleepers and gas
not truly ruled out to be separate from sleepers but yeah
subtle verge
The colors alone tell me Chlorine or Hydrogen Cyanide, since Chlorine has a green hue, is used in labs for purification, and Hydrogen Cyanide has a slight blue hue to it in gaseous form, however it can't be either because they're both incredibly deadly at low ppm.
analog frigate
these are the closest I can get
i think NATO has a neurotoxin database
of stuff banned in wars
or EBI has one apparently
analog frigate
hydrofluoric acid causes etching in most materials
subtle verge
The issue with Hydrogen Fluoride is that it's incredibly abrasive and melts flesh in seconds of exposure.
analog frigate
so our skin would be red and our masks not see through anymore
analog frigate
The issue with Hydrogen Fluoride is that it's incredibly abrasive and melts fles...
yeah it's a potent acid
subtle verge
It is possible that it's a fantasy creation.
leaden dagger
so that almost entirely rules out gas
leaden dagger
It is possible that it's a fantasy creation.
thatd be lazy writing and make me upset
subtle verge
Well, I guess I should say: more than likely a fantasy creation than an actual substance we know of.
analog frigate
so that almost entirely rules out gas
remember, it's fog
suspended water particulates
analog frigate
i'll start checking from the EBI list
subtle verge
I was reading up on London's killer fog from the early 50s, but that was a yellow-black substance.
analog frigate
yeah
leaden dagger
ah rip
analog frigate
i'll start checking from the EBI list
probably NATO or someone similar has descriptions
since most of these stuff are banned
subtle verge
What about Bromine?
analog frigate
red/brown colour
leaden dagger
Bromine is corrosive af too if I remember
analog frigate
very
subtle verge
Ahh, okay.
analog frigate
also stains a lot
subtle verge
I was just reading: 'used in certain medicines, water purification, fumigants, and flame-proofing solutions.'
analog frigate
i'm gonna go ahead and check the EBI list to see if anything matches
subtle verge
Now that I think about it... we take damage from being infected, and with the liquid buildup in the lungs, I immediately think of Pulmonary Edema, which is where liquid leaks out of the alveoli (tiny air sacs in the lungs that allow for rapid gaseous exchange).
Described something like 'water in the lungs' when doctors talk to patients and vice versa.
leaden dagger
yuh yuh