My point of view was that if BIOCOM was in fact the operating system of the complex, us restarting gens & reacs was to allow BIOCOM to have access to more resources within the complex
#gtfo-lore
dim scroll
That doesn't explain why we're extracting DNA samples or extracting various stuff like cargos, data spheres & neonates
solar nova
My point of view was that if BIOCOM was in fact the operating system of the comp...
We still seem to be doing that, it's just that BIOCOM isn't quite running the complex. A lot of what prisoners are doing in GTFO is attempting to get security access to certain places, presumably because BIOCOM is disallowed from a large variety of actions.
dim scroll
Yet we don't know why BIOCOM has been restricted
neither why the various power suppliers within the complex suddenly stopped working
Except if there was a protocol clearly telling departments to shut them down as to avoid reactor meltdowns from lack of maintenance , therefore damaging the surrounding areas for ex
solar nova
Probably the same reason some personnel have limited access to many things. BIOCOM, as an entity, isn't meant to have complete control over the complex and all of its facilities, just KSOs and probably a number of Kovac's facilities. It is only now, when everyone is dead, and apparently a little bit while people were still alive but things had gone to shit, that BIOCOM has taken matters into its own hands and is now trying to break all of the rules to get what it wants.
solar nova
Yet we don't know why BIOCOM has been restricted
To be a bit more direct, it's weird to assume that BIOCOM would have unlimited access. Why would it?
solar nova
neither why the various power suppliers within the complex suddenly stopped work...
Most of them were probably shut off intentionally, I think the lockdown report even specifies that this action should be taken.
dim scroll
To the point it'd be autonomous in case of emergency along with most of the permissions
the only restricted permissions being from the higher-ups
solar nova
To the point it'd be autonomous in case of emergency along with most of the perm...
I guess I could see that, but I still don't think that's what BIOCOM is about. My impression is that BIOCOM's role is actually quite narrow, it's expected that human personnel will be in charge of almost everything.
So, BIOCOM needs special permissions from people to do most things.
dim scroll
So its main purpose was to "assist" the employees but it suddenly went "rogue" and started acting by itself for some reason
solar nova
Not necessarily acting by itself, it seems like that's intended, but it's giving itself far more oversight than expected.
It's gone from overseeing some combat operations to commander-in-chief.
dim scroll
based computer
dim scroll
welp
solar nova
Kind of a neat aesthetic, tbh, wonder if any other narrative has gone for that sort of story before.
Sentient race is running a big organization, and they have an AI they use for some stuff. Sentient race almost entirely dies out, and the AI ends up running things in their stead to the best of its ability, after everyone else is gone.
dim scroll
NieR moment
All of this doesn't explain how the prisoners are made immune to NAM-V
Or if that even is an immunity
rather than a way to delay the infection
solar nova
The hero machine with a thousand faces.
solar nova
All of this doesn't explain how the prisoners are made immune to NAM-V
Based on the new log, if I had to guess, all KSOs are infected, but the illness can be treated effectively in hydrostasis, at least reasonably well enough to allow for continued use in expeditions.
solar nova
Well, the log suggests that treatment can "cure" the virus by putting it into a dormant state.
dim scroll
So the 💤 fix the 🤢
solar nova
Sounds like it.
If we never returned to hydrostasis, we'd probably just get sick again and die.
dim scroll
I wonder if that has anything to do with the enemies sleeping
solar nova
Naw.
solar nova
Maybe metaphorically.
We're the real sleepers.
but I don't think sleeper hibernation is related in any literal sense.
fervent lagoon
red steppe
what do they do at work
leaden dagger
sleep
gilded vine
Henlo
leaden dagger
aye
gilded vine
Damn the devs really calling out covid
leaden dagger
😂 fr
oh shit i just realized something
the under water ambience in the main menu is us in the hydro stasis units
🤯
im probably so late on that
vast lance
ye
vast lance
welp I already guessed your brain being connected via an interface to something
The game literally starts with a software which shows you a brain cortex interface thing
but the HSU is an interesting addition
leaden dagger
yessir
analog frigate
so then we most likely live in a post apocalyptic world where only the prisoners that remained untouched in hydrostatis exist
i think i can make a satisfying timeline of how everything went down
issue is i don't know what the warden's true intentions are
why does it send us down into the facility constantly?
since it is a military AI it would make sense that it only does such
leaden dagger
why does it send us down into the facility constantly?
since we only encounter more prisoners at the end of E1... maybe we're some of only few left? and so all tasks go to us?
or we've been the most successful group
could be a compatibility algorithm too
and if it has nothing better going on, it may as well send us in if we're ready yknow?
it's probably optimized to be as efficient as possible
broken mason
If we never returned to hydrostasis, we'd probably just get sick again and die.
This is interesting, This would mean that prisoners must complete a level to get Back into the pods and keep living. (this also explains why we dont retain infection after levels) However how is Schaeffer alive? Maybe he was in hydrostasis long enough to fight off the virus? or maybe it takes a while for the virus to recover from the stasis and hes gonna die if he cant go back up into stasis soon? or maybe he sleeps in an HSU and schedules alarms to depressureise his HSU. Maybe he got sick after telling us to GTFO and jumped back into a pod during R6 where he sleeps till later?
agile plinth
actually if it is a parasite, it makes sense how hydrostasis stops and possibly removes the infection
as the person hibernates, so does it
broken mason
HSUs likely have some total heal between levels
otherwise we must assume GIGACHAD theory where the prisoners never take damage
So after levels we are likely rested, disinfected, and healed.
agile plinth
HSUs likely have some total heal between levels
this is most probable though
agile plinth
So after levels we are likely rested, disinfected, and healed.
makes sense
broken mason
The flesh repair probably also removes parasites, but cant disable the virus permenantly
Also the new log says the virus remains in your system if you survive the inital sickness
finite vine
If we never returned to hydrostasis, we'd probably just get sick again and die.
what about Schaefer. he has probably been out of stasis for who knows how long.
agile plinth
since we only encounter more prisoners at the end of E1... maybe we're some of o...
still doesn't explain why
it wants to initiate the influx protocol
i think to acquire more prisoners
the r6 missions might reveal more of its intentions
cursive moss
If we get new objectives, that is ;D
broken mason
;D
solar nova
This is interesting, This would mean that prisoners must complete a level to get...
@finite vine This is actually an interesting point. Maybe Schaeffer is immune in some way, kind of like how the L4D characters are carriers?
solar nova
Luck.
solar nova
Might also just be that the ticking time bomb is very long, and dormant NAM-V will actually kill you in the range of a few months to several years.
analog frigate
dormant NAM-V
in the newest log they said that if you don't get medical help you die quickly
solar nova
Right, but presumably hydrostasis is medical help, or is able to administer it.
analog frigate
possibly
solar nova
Otherwise, the Warden would have no prisoners.
analog frigate
true
maybe it is what causes it to become dormant
it doesn't remove or kill it (it's a virus) so it is somehow making it enter a dormant state in which it doesn't multiply
if it doesn't then the human body could kill it as time passes on and it doesn't multiply
actually makes sense for a "cure"
but something doesn't add up from the log
"As one patient is seen, treated, and released, 2 more take their place at the end of the line. There are no beds left, not enough personal protective equipment for the medical staff, and a barely contained sense of panic among the cast-down faces of those waiting in hope that they don’t have “the Stoops”."
beds
nothing about HSUs is mentioned
also it appears that they get treated somewhat quickly
icy swift
maybe cause HSUs are not available freely everywhere
in some log, didnt they mention it was a patented thing of KSD
icy swift
also it appears that they get treated somewhat quickly
if there's no cure, they might be treating the common symptoms which the patient is showing
analog frigate
yes, it was made for the mars expedition planned 2035
icy swift
just like it was/is for covid
icy swift
yes, it was made for the mars expedition planned 2035
right so maybe its still a patented thing for ksd
analog frigate
if it was patented by them, it will remain so
only chance is to buy them off, but that's impossible
icy swift
yep
cause they have mentioned in the mars expedition logs that its a thing under wraps
analog frigate
also kovak removed the article about the HSUs
they didn't want their name mentioned
icy swift
all the more reason to assume the local population doesnt know about it
analog frigate
true
icy swift
im just curious whether the HSUs which are revealed at the end of R5E1 have any people inside them
analog frigate
i think so but i can't confirm, someone else might
icy swift
if they do, then damn the program is huge af
icy swift
true true, but i wasnt expecting it to be this huge
analog frigate
ah
ok so i have an idea
there probably are people in all or at least almost all HSUs
due to the way they are stored
if it were empty HSUs there wouldn't have been any need for organisation
just warehouse type stacking
but they are all lined up, seemingly organised, on the walls
icy swift
yea but that can be the general arrangement of the HSUs
irrespective of the fact they have people or not
analog frigate
true, but that's a lot of wasted space
if they are as important as they seem, then they would be stacked efficiently in some storage rooms or something
there would be no need to access them since they aren't on, only to move them for usage
solar nova
nothing about HSUs is mentioned
Right, HSUs probably wouldn't be standard treatment at a hospital, but the way HSUs works you can definitely treat diseases while someone is in one.
analog frigate
makes sense
icy swift
i dont see KSD just keeping them away in a storehouse
solar nova
im just curious whether the HSUs which are revealed at the end of R5E1 have any ...
They're almost certainly all occupied by KSOs
icy swift
ahh gotcha
analog frigate
also it would line up with the updates they are adding
character customisation
it would make sense to have a lot of KSOs retrieved and then be able to be sent out
icy swift
that makes a lot of sense yes
gilded vine
New lore soon
analog frigate
👀 when?
analog frigate
so the 666 and xxx4 files?
gilded vine
Whats your timezone
honest merlin
Nice to see these latest logs verifying the theory I have had for a couple of months
- Everyone else in the world is very likely dead / is suffering from the aftermath of NAM-V that brought humanity close to extinction
- The Warden is an AI
- The Warden sends prisoners down into the complex in order to find a cure for the virus or to investigate its origins for some other reason.
I am still interested in getting an answer to which year(s) the events of the game take place - considering the state the complex is in, it can be anything from several years to decades.
leaden dagger
whats the date of the latest logs we have right now? 2057?
im willing to bet GTFO takes place anywhere from 2060-2080
analog frigate
it can literally take place at any point in the future
since
hydrostasis
but then
the plants limit the time frame
those damn fucking magic plants
leaden dagger
it can literally take place at any point in the future
we do have to account for the decay of the complex though
honest merlin
Plants?
leaden dagger
yessir
analog frigate
yes
honest merlin
How so?
analog frigate
those pieces of shit that make no sense and mess up any timing we can give
leaden dagger
they're green, still alive, with no care
analog frigate
no light
honest merlin
Some plants can stay looking green for years as mummified husks
analog frigate
it's pretty hot seeing as they are in yucatan, mexico, near a tectonic plate
leaden dagger
Some plants can stay looking green for years as mummified husks
they
are def not mummified
analog frigate
Some plants can stay looking green for years as mummified husks
yeah but these are fresh green
leaden dagger
they're out in the open
honest merlin
Plants gone wild and just growing on their own
honest merlin
There's definitely enough water & moisture down there
leaden dagger
but not light, no way to photosynthesize
honest merlin
That's true
harsh saffron
Couldn't they be alien plants tho? Since some of them have been found underground?
leaden dagger
thats what defies the logic though
honest merlin
Unless the massive geothermal anomaly is somehow allowing the plants to do that?
leaden dagger
we can only theorize
and if they're alien plants, we cant use them to detect a time period
thats why they fuck shit up
look on A1, there's plants there im pretty sure
not just the moss shit on the walls either
i could be remembering wrong though
harsh saffron
yeah floodways have grow beds
honest merlin
I don't think they are alien plants - I just think that the geothermal anomaly that's behind all this mess radiates in some way that allows plants to grow
And considering the lab environments, lamps in there might be specialized for plant growth
leaden dagger
i dont think any of the plants are under a direct light source though
leaden dagger
and some of it is growing in mega thick concrete
analog frigate
and there is no sign of lighting
honest merlin
some areas have them but are pitch black
Those lights might have been turned off just recently
harsh saffron
There are lights here, but they don't glow actually
leaden dagger
that is definitely not enough light though
analog frigate
not only there
leaden dagger
but yeah there's other areas too
analog frigate
there are a lot of places where there are plants and no sign of lighting
leaden dagger
now compare those to plants in the complex though
honest merlin
mutations
analog frigate
but then how do those plants look?
analog frigate
*mutations*
yeah that's the current theory. they are using some cretasium to buff up the soil and experiment with it
leaden dagger
*mutations*
plant mutation takes awhile though. and usually selective breeding
analog frigate
^
honest merlin
I am finding loads of fern-like plants and some grassy ones as well
In this Google search for plants that manage in darkness
leaden dagger
ok but then in that picture ^ how are they getting watered?
honest merlin
Watering isn't an issue - the air underground is probably pretty moist.
analog frigate
it is
honest merlin
water dripping sounds of floodways
honest merlin
The plants that I found while Googling were green too...
analog frigate
send some
honest merlin
harsh saffron
ok yeah thats pretty green
leaden dagger
what the FUCK nature
harsh saffron
problem solved, these plants can live forever 🙂
honest merlin
I think plants aren't a problem when we consider the passage of time 😄
leaden dagger
😂fuckin hell
analog frigate
how do they even grow in darkness while having chlorophyll?
leaden dagger
thats what im wondering too
honest merlin
No idea - if it works, don't question it
leaden dagger
where do they get the energy
"it just works"
todd howard invented plants
great
slate coyote
aren't there also plans which grow without roots?
leaden dagger
well
honest merlin
where do they get the energy
There are some fungi which live in symbiosis with plants and share their energy with plants in exchange for some stuff
leaden dagger
if we can try to pin point the species we find in the complex
we can find the life length
and determine the time with that?
leaden dagger
There are some fungi which live in symbiosis with plants and share their energy ...
yes that is true
fungi is wild
leaden dagger
?
honest merlin
Fungal spores = infectious fog?
leaden dagger
we've considered it yuh
honest merlin
There was a long discussion about it but I was too late to participate
leaden dagger
the issue comes with the disinfection though
honest merlin
True... Hmmm...
leaden dagger
it's... a whole mess
honest merlin
At least we have solved the plants 😄
leaden dagger
we came to: fine dust, virus, or parasite
ah but not entirely!
we still gotta determine the species
we wanna use the plants to judge the timeline 😂
analog frigate
we have to go in and take pictures of every plant we encounter
honest merlin
I don't think determining the species would be that easy because
- The game assets weren't probably designed to mimic any specific real-world species
- If they were, they could be some genetically modified/mutated/engineered species (hence the growbeds) which makes deducing the species impossible
leaden dagger
the one tengu sent looks almost like an arugala/fern breed
yeah thats true
but maaaaybe we could get an idea
harsh saffron
I think we only have plants in lab and floodways right?
leaden dagger
yessir
analog frigate
I don't think determining the species would be that easy because
1. The game ass...
i don't care if the devs just made random plants, i want answers
analog frigate
I think we only have plants in lab and floodways right?
no
leaden dagger
i dont think there's much in B
honest merlin
And determining the plant species to deduce age is kind of useless because those plants could have been dying and regrowing in those same growbeds for decades
leaden dagger
but maybe some
harsh saffron
There are multiple environments per tier tho, im confused what you mean
leaden dagger
well shit
honest merlin
The best shot we have at deducing the age of the complex would probably be finding metal tools/structures that are decaying and deducing from the state of decay, like how rusted something is
leaden dagger
yeah
thats pretty much it
and the decay of the concrete and all that
thats conk creat babey
honest merlin
And based on those - it can be anything from a few years to a few decades.
It is definitely after 2060 at least.
leaden dagger
unfortunately a lot of those models are pretty low poly
not detailed
and not many tools in general
at least that ive seen
honest merlin
Those tools and materials might have been designed to resist moist air conditions anyway
leaden dagger
all our ideas are crumbling
honest merlin
I am eagerly looking forward to the next lore logs in hopes of getting more hints towards the timestamp of the game events.
When's the next log dropping?
leaden dagger
uhhhhhh
analog frigate
17 or so hours
harsh saffron
17 hours
leaden dagger
yea
harsh saffron
and then the last one at midnight , directly before the 9th (in dev time zone)
leaden dagger
one thing we can know; the voices never change meaning they probably dont age a significant amount. from the dates of the audio logs to now
honest merlin
The lore of this game would be pretty neat for a series (animated or live action) about the events that lead to the events of the game. And then another series for following the prisoners...
leaden dagger
that kind of rules out the decades probability
leaden dagger
The lore of this game would be pretty neat for a series (animated or live action...
that'd be so cool
whens the earliest date of an audio log we have?
in comparison to the latest
honest merlin
one thing we can know; the voices never change meaning they probably dont age a ...
"The voices never change" as in between X time and Y time?
honest merlin
Hydrostasis
leaden dagger
would that suspend your age though?
honest merlin
I think hydrostasis just "pauses" your aging
leaden dagger
does it slow down your metabolism? was that established?
harsh saffron
I think thats the point
harsh saffron
so they are only aging a few minutes/hours every expedition I would guess
analog frigate
does it slow down your metabolism? was that established?
basically freezing your metabolism causes no aging to occur
leaden dagger
yes i know that
honest merlin
If we were to wake up a random person from one of the HSUs in the complex, they'd be in the state they were when they closed the pod.
leaden dagger
i wondered if it was established that that was happening when in hydrostasis
leaden dagger
true
honest merlin
might be in r6 though since all the newly opened HSUs with KSOs inside
?
Newly opened HSUs?
analog frigate
yes
leaden dagger
at the end of E1
analog frigate
the influx protocol
leaden dagger
R5 E1*
honest merlin
Oh right, I played the level once but was too pumped with adrenaline to pay any attention to anything at the end of the level 😄
leaden dagger
😂it happens
analog frigate
you extract hundreds of HSUs which are definitely filled with operatives
analog frigate
Oh right, I played the level once but was too pumped with adrenaline to pay any ...
happens
honest merlin
More cannon fodder for The Warden
leaden dagger
precisely
honest merlin
Which could hint towards CHARACTER CUSTOMIZATION
leaden dagger
im real curious to see what itll mean lore-wise
leaden dagger
Which could hint towards CHARACTER CUSTOMIZATION
i do hope so
honest merlin
Basically justifying different looking prisoners
leaden dagger
siiiick
analog frigate
they have hinted it a lot and the video of the marked door
also lines up lower-wise
harsh saffron
i wondered if it was established that that was happening when in hydrostasis
We have log that explains Hydrostasis pretty directly:
The breakthrough that Kovac Research hopes will answer these questions is called Hydrostasis - a process that allows humans to be held in a state of suspended animation for weeks, months, even years at a time without suffering any ill-effects. The nuts and bolts of the process nare a closely guarded secret, but sources speculate that the procedure likely uses a synthetic amniotic fluid to sustain and protect the body nwhile it is in an induced comatose state. In this state, the body is - for all intents and purposes - dead, but no cell deterioration or physical decay occurs. For the human in Hydrostasis, the heart, and time, stops.
analog frigate
amniotic fluids protect the body and it freezes your metabolism
honest merlin
I think the only thing we can do now is wait and hope for the two remaining logs to shed some light on the timestamp matter
leaden dagger
yuuuup
analog frigate
yup
leaden dagger
we've exhausted every fuckin theory
honest merlin
Oh, hmmm.... Do the console error messages have timestamps? The ones shown on all computer screens on levels?
analog frigate
we've exhausted every fuckin theory
not really but kinda
analog frigate
Oh, hmmm.... Do the console error messages have timestamps? The ones shown on al...
they have hour and day ones
no actual dates
honest merlin
No year?
analog frigate
nope
honest merlin
Thought so.
harsh saffron
the ones in the datacenter?
honest merlin
Yeah
analog frigate
also even if they did, it's from when the facility was operable
or at least failing
honest merlin
True...
harsh saffron
some of them have years
analog frigate
really?
analog frigate
probably old ones though
harsh saffron
ok not some, just 1 😄
honest merlin
How about the terminal auto generated warning logs?
analog frigate
none
harsh saffron
analog frigate
2053
honest merlin
Yeah, that's around the time the complex "collapsed" (not a cave in but the sleeper onslaught)
honest merlin
Yeah.
harsh saffron
all the updates and pings failing as soon as the server got blown up
analog frigate
we can assume that all the logs that are showing the facility fail, are from 2053
honest merlin
Welp, I think we have exhausted every possible way of deducing the date, except the extremely wide bracket that the decay of the complex gives us.
Which I estimate to be 5-30 years.
analog frigate
i suppose we can look through the entire environment to examine regular object decay like the darkening of paper or oxidisation in the more humid parts
analog frigate
sadly i don't think they paid that much attention to detail 😞
still we have to try
honest merlin
Though it might be problematic due to the paper and materials probably being purposefully designed to withstand underground conditions
leaden dagger
probably not, we're pulling the nutsack hairs at this point
analog frigate
we need to think like the devs
what is something the player can use to define the time of events
nothing too obvious and nothing too specific
honest merlin
The state of decay...
leaden dagger
the fact the electricity is still on and functional idk
analog frigate
what is there that isn't steel and can be decayed?
plants work but we know that they are magic
leaden dagger
well shit
harsh saffron
The bodies
leaden dagger
YEAH
honest merlin
Also: better construction materials (this was made in the 2050s after all) might also warp our senses
leaden dagger
ah fuck that's true
honest merlin
***The bodies***
Hmm, that's true...
leaden dagger
a lot can change in tech from now to then
analog frigate
***The bodies***
after a couple years and getting infected and such they will look the same as if they are from 20 years
decayed bodies are decayed bodies
but actually
harsh saffron
dont think they rly thought about the bodies tbh 😄
they just wanted to put some bloody bodies on the floor
leaden dagger
yuh
analog frigate
but then we run into the issue
leaden dagger
but are they prisoners or staff?
analog frigate
but then we run into the issue
how does infection work
it might cause decay time to increase or decrease
leaden dagger
it allllll ties in lmao
true
the Nam-V virus too, if it's separate from infection
both could change decay rate
analog frigate
everything always loops to something we haven't confirmed
pastel knot
I don't think it really causes decay, but mutation after death
honest merlin
The devs have done a really good job at keeping everything vague 😄
analog frigate
both could change decay rate
they literally say "we don't know the long term effects" about the virus
in the latest unlocked log
analog frigate
fuck
leaden dagger
logs it is then
analog frigate
everything goes back to unconfirmed theories and missing logs
pastel knot
I do remember seeing some dead bodies have sleeper like features like the pose, faces, etc.
I would doubt they are 100% death, more like 99%...
analog frigate
they are for sure dead
honest merlin
They are doing that by working on R6 and dropping these logs for us
leaden dagger
MORE LORE MORE LORE
honest merlin
I won't be able to play the game before 2022 anyways, so I don't mind the date when R6 drops
analog frigate
They are doing that by working on R6 and dropping these logs for us
we need more lore
pastel knot
leaden dagger
facts
solar nova
It's in like 9 hours, init?
gilded vine
Yeah that's soon
gilded vine
damn
weak lake
I heard the warden is a smokin hot dude
icy swift
new lore dropped?
agile plinth
nope
gilded vine
not for another 2h 30km
icy swift
sadge
gilded vine
m*
agile plinth
3 hours and 27 mins
gilded vine
oh ye
gilded vine
⚠️ Lore Alert! New Lore dropping in 1 hour ⚠️
cursive moss
@gilded vine Inb4 the Warden reveals itself as a highly intelligent cat who wants world domination
lament temple
its like dog ending in silent hill
real pewter
joe really pulling it off
frail pollen
<@!194140960102416384> Inb4 the Warden reveals itself as a highly intelligent ca...
Oh fuck
gilded vine
No
lament temple
lorecheck?
topaz flare
scheafer doing weird shit and we got KDS HQ back online most likely
agile plinth
so @gilded vine we can now remove the dust theory
gilded vine
Why
agile plinth
hmm
gilded vine
- this log doesnt help much at all with the previous infection discussion
This is just a spectroscopy of cretasium maybe
agile plinth
would make sense
or they have named the unknown material cretasium
what is the date of the deepscan that found the mass
gilded vine
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
harsh saffron
One R5 log is sent by Gallus Hammerstein and seems to be dated 2 weeks before this new one
agile plinth
april 7th same year
harsh saffron
yeah im slow lol ^^
agile plinth
it is possible cretasium is the unknown material in the alloy specimen
agile plinth
yes
honest merlin
Now we only have the Warden log left 👀
gilded vine
The most interesting one
agile plinth
i think it is more likely that the unknown material is cretasium
because that's the unknown part
everything else is known
and cretasium is the only material we don't know
I'll be able to discuss it more in-depth after my classes end
rich blaze
Cretasium is most likely an iridium alloy
A 50% Platinum/Iridium alloy decuple the hardness over pure Platinum
real pewter
i always wake up at 5:30
analog frigate
A 50% Platinum/Iridium alloy decuple the hardness over pure Platinum
probably not much of any iridium
it is highly unstable and decays in less than a week
analog frigate
A 50% Platinum/Iridium alloy decuple the hardness over pure Platinum
also platinum is weak
on the Mohs scale it's like 4/4.5
while in an email by Gianna, she asked for better equipment since they can't dig anymore, quote: "Can you
speak to Nyxos? See if they have any tooth sets using stronger material?"
the hardness of the alloy is probably very close to 10
rich blaze
probably not much of any iridium
I think you're confusing Iridium for another material. Iridium has fully stable isotopes such as I193.
rich blaze
Also using the Standard Vickers Hardness (which is convertible to SI units, and easier to check than mohs scale that is comparative). Platinum is around mid range Iron in tems of Hardness, and when combined with Iridium, it goes up to around 4 times the one of stainless steel, but 20 times less than a Diamond
analog frigate
what type of stainless steel?
rich blaze
what type of stainless steel?
Marine Grade/A4/316L
rich blaze
No, Stainless steal is around 140HV
analog frigate
i mean the stainless steel/iridium alloy
rich blaze
500HV
analog frigate
that's still pretty low
rich blaze
Depends what you compare to ofc
analog frigate
combined with cretasium seems possible
analog frigate
Depends what you compare to ofc
diamond
rich blaze
I mean not much of what we ever did with metals can compare to diamonds in that regard
analog frigate
the alloy with the unknown material is hard enough that the mining dept. doesn't know if there is anything harder they can buy
as so to mine it with
lilac island
there is actualy a space metal stronger than diamonds
and since this is in the future then we can assume that there might be space mining
analog frigate
we cannot
solar nova
What if you wanted to share an interesting report about Cretasium, but Discord said: "Your files are too powerful!"
analog frigate
there isn't much proof of anything space related outside of the mission to mars
gilded vine
What if you wanted to share an interesting report about Cretasium, but Discord s...
Nitro moment
solar nova
March 24th, 2052 is in here:
analog frigate
2nd?
analog frigate
oh the new log
rich blaze
Which means it was when they were still excavating
solar nova
Whoops
pure ferry
I mean not much of what we ever did with metals can compare to diamonds in that ...
FYI, diamonds are not a great material to work with. Not very tough, poor temperature and corrosion resistance, extremely difficult to make tools or structures with and impractical to make big enough to apply serious loads to
IE: diamonds suck
analog frigate
IE: diamonds suck
maybe now
rich blaze
I meant in terms of Hardness in that case, I absolutely agree that they're impractical
pure ferry
Unless the chemical structure of diamonds, along with all other chemistry changes at some point in future, that's gonna be true forever
And if the chemistry does change, life as we know it ends, so not something we really want to bank on
rich blaze
I concur, if we change the structure, it's not diamond any more
pure ferry
I meant in terms of Hardness in that case, I absolutely agree that they're impra...
Hardness is not toughness
analog frigate
maybe they could have expanded on carbon
pure ferry
It's like a plate (ceramics): much harder than steel, but so much weaker
analog frigate
as in tensile strength?
analog frigate
interesting
pure ferry
Toughness is how much energy a material can absorb before it breaks
Diamond is not high on that list
Wayyyy too brittle
analog frigate
hard but brittle
pure ferry
Graphene is much stronger
A good way of thinking it is like this: martial artists can break bricks and ceramics with a fist, even though they're harder than steel
Because those materials fracture and break when they absorb energy
But if you try it with a steel plate
The steel plate just flexes slightly, then 'bends' back (and by 'bend' i mean throws that energy back into breaking all the bones in your hand)
analog frigate
they aren't
gilded vine
alright, ignoring the prequel lore to the April 7th log
speculations for the last log
analog frigate
something about the BIOCOM
rich blaze
Are Gallus or Howard in any other logs?
I think I saw hammerstein before, lemme check
honest merlin
I suspect a log about The Warden's intent and goal
analog frigate
I suspect a log about The Warden's intent and goal
yes please
analog frigate
it's creation is known
honest merlin
Oh?
analog frigate
from what i have gathered it is the BIOCOM
honest merlin
In case BIOCOM = Warden
solar nova
I'd definitely love to know what it wants, ultimately.
honest merlin
They might be different, but considering that BIOCOM is a digital intelligence and The Warden seems to be one as well, they may very well be the same, or The Warden is a refined version or specifically built for handling the prisoners
analog frigate
i really think that it is the BIOCOM
there are too many similarities
even in actions
both seem military oriented as well
rich blaze
Guys
the 2054 BIOCOM Log
it says it's been taping power related to HSUs
it awfully looks like R4A2 Overload
solar nova
it says it's been taping power related to HSUs
It's not taking power from them, though, it wants power to be directed to the "HSU vault," presumably KDS Deep.
analog frigate
exactly
solar nova
We end up doing this in-game in R5E1 and all of the missions that lead to it.
analog frigate
with the later logs we get that it has been trying to activate the Influx Protocol
so the BIOCOM = Warden for sure
rich blaze
I think R4 and R5 commands are not completely random
analog frigate
I think R4 and R5 commands are not completely random
terminal commands?
rich blaze
yup
harsh saffron
Are Gallus or Howard in any other logs?
Don't think we had the names before, but it seems like Hammerstein send the Deepscan email, since its the same ID (B014)
D-Lock Block Cipher
alias:int_server.1024_ciph.B014.tier5.MSL.flagged.MSL report K-UX-DeepScan-4-7-52
analog frigate
Don't think we had the names before, but it seems like Hammerstein send the Deep...
good observation
rich blaze
I theorised some time ago that DEACTIVATE_FILTERS_S65Twas used to try and kill Schaeffer in R4 using infection, creating the conditions of R4E1
solar nova
Don't think we had the names before, but it seems like Hammerstein send the Deep...
That's actually super interesting...
@devout geyser might be worth tagging some emails based on that alias string.
harsh saffron
they swap around with that alias stuff tho, sometimes its the senders ID, sometimes the one of the reciever
rich blaze
FLOODGATE_OPEN_S156F is probably just Warden opening the floodways (i.e R5A1)
analog frigate
but this still means Hammerstein was encountered before in logs
lilac island
we also dont realy know what the cortex interface is
honest merlin
I think the Cortex Interface is a sort of combat HUD that is streamed directly into the prisoners' brains
analog frigate
I think the Cortex Interface is a sort of combat HUD that is streamed directly i...
would explain scans, pings and a lot of other stuff
rich blaze
Hammerstein's log's in April
analog frigate
well that's when they started digging in the mass
solar nova
Earliest associated dates:
8/51: 1500m is reached
3/52: Anomalous materials discovered
4/52: Project Insight is mentioned in the context of Garganta
5/52: "Egg" becomes a drill target
5/52: NAM-V symptoms become statistically significant
12/52: NAM-V symptoms are recognized
10/53: Lockdown
So, it seems like Cretasium was discovered shortly before NAM-V started hitting people.
analog frigate
true
leaden dagger
damn lots of interesting stuff
but that log was disappointing. how long until warden log?
dim scroll
I think the Cortex Interface is a sort of combat HUD that is streamed directly i...
What i don't get is why bother making such a system ?
Not to mention the security doors triggering alarms doesn't really makes sense to me
analog frigate
they trigger alarms because they are security doors. we are opening them without authorisation in the sense that no higher ups allowed it but we got access
dim scroll
With such a lockdown, i imagined the security service(s) to at least have a backup plan to freely access the complex again, assuming you have the necessary privileges for it
analog frigate
we do and don't
dim scroll
Kinda strange to me that the warden doesn't possess such authorisation
analog frigate
well it's not strange
there is no reason for it to have any
also it would've gotten stricter access after trying to re-route the power to KDS Deep
dim scroll
may i ask why it's not strange please ?
analog frigate
it is an outside military AI called BIOCOM that had very high access to most systems of Gargantua
then it tried to re-route power to KDS Deep to initiate the Influx Protocol without authorisation
dim scroll
yeah i've discussed that with rayalot a few days ago
analog frigate
well that's why
dim scroll
when was the protocol initiated ?
Are we talking about R5E1's end or has it been done before that ?
analog frigate
the player does it in R5E1
dim scroll
ok so it's the first time we do it technically
dim scroll
which ig restricted its accesses
analog frigate
yes, due to concerns over it doing rogue actions
dim scroll
welp
gilded vine
It's practically undeniable facts from that that the warden is also BIOCOM :)
analog frigate
yes
dim scroll
Now i'm legit curious about how not a single higher up managed to escape or "helped" the warden
I'd expect one of them to at least survive to help it
It'd benefit both
analog frigate
why would they help a military AI jeopardize their entire organisation
analog frigate
I'd expect one of them to at least survive to help it
no one did
only KSOs within HSUs
dim scroll
didn't it go rogue AFTER the whole incident ?
rich blaze
Now i'm legit curious about how not a single higher up managed to escape or "hel...
Piros is saying it's just running full auto and he doesn't know what it's doing
analog frigate
no one did
at least we don't know
analog frigate
didn't it go rogue AFTER the whole incident ?
technically before
rich blaze
And Piros is the KDS big wig
dim scroll
Do we know where the warden gets its prisoners tho ?
analog frigate
HSUs
dim scroll
Like do we know if there's a similar structure as R5E1's last room filled with prisoners ?
rich blaze
Do we know where the warden gets its prisoners tho ?
from KDS, and it assumes HSUs are all filled with it
dim scroll
oh okey
rich blaze
Like do we know if there's a similar structure as R5E1's last room filled with p...
It seems its one of a kind considering the logistics for it
analog frigate
Like do we know if there's a similar structure as R5E1's last room filled with p...
nope but there should be more
dim scroll
So we can consider we're part of KSO ?
gilded vine
yes
rich blaze
Likely
analog frigate
yes
rich blaze
Well
We will begin BIOCOM installation in hangar 4 immediately after. Once it is up and running the pods can be safely moved into the new storage space. We will have space for 8,000 pods by December, and a further 24,000 by March 2052. At your discretion, the first KSOs should be ready for deployment by the start of 2052. The Sigma and Tau generations are currently being coded for Garganta security operations.
32 thousand
(Moving Schedule, R5D1)
dim scroll
It'd make sense that schaeffer would be against the warden then
analog frigate
eh well taking success rate, there are more failures than 8 thousand
analog frigate
It'd make sense that schaeffer would be against the warden then
considering what he has heard, yeah
rich blaze
It'd make sense that schaeffer would be against the warden then
Schaeffer got gooned in, most likely after what happened in the "illicit" logs
analog frigate
did we actually confirm if he died and when?
rich blaze
No
gilded vine
Schaefer is alive as far as we know
analog frigate
i think the warden tried to kill him in R4E1
rich blaze
He most likely got Bishop'd
dim scroll
Weren't we sent into R4E1 to look for him actually ?
along with restarting the reactor ?
same goes for R4D2 iirc
gilded vine
We were sent into R4E1 to lift sector lockdown procedures in R5 sectors
rich blaze
For me, R4E1 is confirming his death after you broke the filters
Either R4B3 or R4D2 OL is responsible for the state for R4E1
gilded vine
lemme check
rich blaze
DEACTIVATE_FILTERS_S65T Deactivates infection filters in sublevel 65t
Warden : "Oops"
gilded vine
What is sublevel 65t
rich blaze
We don't know
gilded vine
maybe the 65th floor below ground
dim scroll
I wonder if R4D2 didn't "rise up" the fog in R4E1
Like as if it did filter but the other way around
rich blaze
I wonder if R4D2 didn't "rise up" the fog in R4E1
for me R4B3 is most likely as it's deliberate, and Warden probably triggered the lockdown doing that
Also it happens after the other expeditions
dim scroll
So R4B3 occurs after R4D2
rich blaze
And Warden only took notice of Schaeffer at best at R4C1
analog frigate
so the warden has been chasing Schaeffer for an entire rundown
anything related to him in R5?
topaz flare
warden no
leaden dagger
anything related to him in R5?
not that I'm aware of
gilded vine
It seems like the objective of this rundown wasnt to chase Schaeffer, but instead to prep a full scale "assault" on the complex to reclaim it
rich blaze
Look at me plugging shamelessly my own theories about R4 Goals :
https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vT72TGmPn7FeoMsl6v6iGPmisYv7_8DqrCcR_FAWqCd63AzN-mc2MaCpylTElaM0aWjC13Tis4XuejW/pub
gilded vine
Schaeffer just happened to know where we were going
analog frigate
then i imagine we will get more information in R6, maybe even meet him or at least see him
leaden dagger
I'm not so sure about that
rich blaze
It seems like the objective of this rundown wasnt to chase Schaeffer, but instea...
R4 is just power and resource prep for R5 in my opinion, just Warden tried to sling him something much like you try to swat a fly as you go on on your day
analog frigate
It seems like the objective of this rundown wasnt to chase Schaeffer, but instea...
yeah, it appears like a full mobilisation of KSOs
dim scroll
In the end do we know what's schaeffer's main objective ?
Messing up with the warden or "helping" by clearing the mess asap ?
rich blaze
In the end do we know what's schaeffer's main objective ?
He's just bonkers, that's what his goal his "fuck the warden" and "not die"
pastel knot
survive i would say
leaden dagger
yup just survive
dim scroll
I wonder where he finds da food
leaden dagger
he didn't wanna be a tool
leaden dagger
I wonder where he finds da food
sleepers 👀
dim scroll
yum
pastel knot
I wonder where he finds da food
dim scroll
Actually if HSU helps against NAM-V
i wonder if he's not using HSUs in the complex
That may explain why he doesn't need borgar or anything else
analog frigate
jokes aside, there most likely is food and such in some areas of the facility
pastel knot
I'm wondering now if one of the HSUs inside the complex (the ones we can interact with) might have been of Schaeffer's....
leaden dagger
thered have to be like cafeteria areas, in theory
analog frigate
exactly
dim scroll
Well i hope there were more variety in areas
leaden dagger
just other shit we haven't seen yet
dim scroll
Cafeterias, kitchens, barracks, etc
rich blaze
Damn I can't wait for the Hybrid taking our Order at McDonalds
leaden dagger
most definitely
leaden dagger
Damn I can't wait for the Hybrid taking our Order at McDonalds
might act up and ask for their number 🤤🤤
rich blaze
There were talks of "Coastal Facilities"
dim scroll
o
analog frigate
where?
dim scroll
Me & the boyz on the way to the west coast
leaden dagger
a California complex would be stupid
dim scroll
Didn't they mention another structure similar to the complex ?
rich blaze
Not really
leaden dagger
I'm pretty sure they did
rich blaze
there's only one complex in Yucatan
dim scroll
Well
rich blaze
with coastal facilities since
dim scroll
Then there may be underground facilities far away from the complex
analog frigate
there is no reason
rich blaze
Also guys, why Coastal facilities are probably not in California :
analog frigate
the only facility needed is Gargantua
rich blaze
Easier to do it in yucatan isn't it?
analog frigate
maybe some surface ones near the coast for more secretive transportation
but i don't imagine we will see the surface soon
leaden dagger
agreed
rich blaze
We have suggested regular "day-breaks" for all employees to allow them to recuperate at one of the coastal camps, and are waiting for approval. Boris Stanovich, Analyst Report
leaden dagger
do we still see some of the surface during the drop into levels?
dim scroll
Ayo beach rundown
leaden dagger
or was that R1 only?
icy swift
prolly only R1
analog frigate
the only way i see for us to go to the surface is if Schaeffer actually succeeds against the Warden
icy swift
waddup weird skull man
icy swift
the only way i see for us to go to the surface is if Schaeffer actually succeeds...
but we dont know if we team up with schaeffer
do we?
analog frigate
we don't
leaden dagger
maybe in the future
dim scroll
It's not that we team up with him
analog frigate
we have never even seen his HSU
dim scroll
He just wanna fight the warden
rich blaze
Oh lord please no
icy swift
so there is an equal chance we kill him
rich blaze
Schaeffer is HIGHLY unstable
analog frigate
only logs and intentions from the Warden
rich blaze
and completely out there
rich blaze
Devil you know, Devil you don't
dim scroll
nothing else
analog frigate
Schaeffer is HIGHLY unstable
he is completely insane at this point
dim scroll
No wonder the man passed R4E1 solo
icy swift
what if there is an entire mission in R6 where we are ordered to hunt him
dim scroll
That was R4D2's point i think ?
icy swift
i dont remember it now xd
dim scroll
Main objective was to reach an area to the other side of the level
Probably to pursue schaeffer
analog frigate
what if there is an entire mission in R6 where we are ordered to hunt him
possible but it's not very good for such to happen
dim scroll
Ye
analog frigate
we are talking about a man
dim scroll
it'd be easier to make him die by sleepers
analog frigate
going around alone dealing with everything while being chased by the Warden and his goons (us)
rich blaze
No wonder the man passed R4E1 solo
I think it wasn't in lockdown directly when he was there, lmao
analog frigate
it'd be easier to make him die by sleepers
pretty lame for a guy like him but that's the only thing that makes sense
dim scroll
epic
analog frigate
it is possible we kill him indirectly
dim scroll
Well if he went all the way down there he surely has a way to make it through
icy swift
that;d be sad
dim scroll
either by just destroying everything
icy swift
id like to meet him
dim scroll
or by using something else
dim scroll
do you wanna meet someone who's roaming in the complex alone
and is still alive after all this time ?
lol
leaden dagger
yes
gilded vine
I think itd be interesting to see a terminal with some final words saying that he had to go through this door and if he didn't make it we would know. And then we open the door and see a single corpse
analog frigate
Assuming he doesn't have NAM-V immunity
also we are wearing protection, better than probably what was mentioned in the hospital log
rich blaze
the brain stem and spreads rapidly, possibly due to the greater intercellular space offered. Attempts to slow the spread have so far been unsuccessful.```R5E1 Log
dim scroll
I think itd be interesting to see a terminal with some final words saying that h...
inb4 you see a tank
pastel knot
```The subject's physiological changes do seem to be permanent. The ossification...
virus?
dim scroll
wasn't there mentions of a parasite which could still infect after leaving the body ?
rich blaze
little progress has been made. Even after the parasite is removed, the viral
load increases. We cannot stop the progress of the virus, and our only
defense is SCBA Level A suits when in NAM-V hotspots. Even with this level of protection, the parasites are finding ways in.
it is mentioned that the virsu never leaves the body,
it can be made dormant or something
analog frigate
I think itd be interesting to see a terminal with some final words saying that h...
it would be very cool to make his death grand, like opening the door and it's his body surrounded by dead hybrids, giants, tanks and ect.
dim scroll
yes
with HSUs
That's why people that went out of HSUs in R4D2 are completely intact
leaden dagger
I wonder what would happen if you put a sleeper in an HSU
analog frigate
that's going to end badly
honest merlin
Sleeper popsicle
pastel knot
```I have our entire cellular biology department working on this, but so far
lit...
I suppose the parasite is a different thing.
Probably gets detected by the immune system and starts attacking it real hard, killing some NAM-V in the process. When it is removed, the system stops attacking that hard and the virus starts taking over fast.
assuming it is separate from the virus of course
dim scroll
well it's a 1 vs 32 K vs ??? K
rich blaze
parasite could have virus and transmit it
I was thinking of this, personally
honest merlin
no pic of parasite yet
Actually some booster crystals have worms in them
dim scroll
o
leaden dagger
parasite could invoke a weakness to a virus that was unknown to us before
analog frigate
I suppose the parasite is a different thing.
Probably gets detected by the immun...
don't assume the parasite yet, there still are 3 unconfirmed ideas of how everything works out
leaden dagger
like how the new breed of tick can spread a bacteria making us allergic to red meat
rich blaze
you mean like Lyme disease?
leaden dagger
no the new one
dim scroll
tf
leaden dagger
Lyme disease has been known for awhile
dim scroll
what new one
pastel knot
doesn't seem possible to me, but lets not discard stuff
keep feeding the lore 
leaden dagger
the one discovered in like 2015 or something
a new breed of tick that spreads a bacteria that makes us allergic to red meats
analog frigate
source?
leaden dagger
fuck lemme find it
analog frigate
ah that's ticks though
leaden dagger
that's what I wad talking about lol
I went off topic
my main point being, maybe the parasite can make us susceptible to some different virus that previously couldn't affect humans
which is why it's a tag team effort
analog frigate
hmm
pastel knot
it's possible, yeah
analog frigate
but not the fog
leaden dagger
?
analog frigate
as in, if the parasite theory of the fog is correct, it's not it
leaden dagger
the parasite could still do damage on its own though
analog frigate
yes
leaden dagger
I think it could still work
pastel knot
if it kinda is, then it would support why we need a mask inside the complex
and supposing it has some kind of radiation related property, which could explain why we get almost instant damage under infection
leaden dagger
^
pastel knot
any tldr?
analog frigate
if it was it would result in radiation burns and permanent damage
pastel knot
hmm
analog frigate
and you can stay in the fog as much as you want and not die
leaden dagger
cellular changes
pastel knot
smh we need more clear info about the god damn infection
analog frigate
so no one would just cough a bit, but would have burnt crisp skin
that is melting off
rich blaze
Guys
analog frigate
we got off topic