Is it random?
#gtfo-lore
solar nova
gilded vine
Audio log was released 1.6 days ago approx, next log is in 2d 14h, and then 4d, and then 4d 14h
solar nova
XXX-4-WRDN.LOG 4 days 15 hours
MAH-HS-666.LOG 4 days 1 hours
EBDT-B55-VFS.LOG 2 days 15 hours
Yeah, a little weird.
7PM EST is a weird time for Swedes, too.
gilded vine
It's automatic when they unlock so it doesn't matter that much
cursive moss
4 days?
gilded vine
ye
cursive moss
isn't the anniversary in 5 days?
solar nova
I'm surprised there's no in-game countdown.
solar nova
Maybe this is the countdown to the countdown 🧠
gilded vine
It honestly could be
cursive moss
Mayhaps possibly, it's 10C we're talking about, anything can happen at any given moment 🧠
solar nova
Roadmap suggests they're approaching the end as well, main hold-up appears to be back-end-related.
I'd expect that when Matchmaking: Server Migration is green, the update is pretty much completely finished.
I fully suspect that project will be biggest time sink.
Not that nothing else could end up being a lot harder than expected, that's just the most obviously difficult thing to implement.
real pewter
feel like we'll have a timer next week or at least 5 days
gilded vine
I think the last log will trigger a timer
real pewter
the Warden log
gilded vine
yes
Doesn't it seem fitting
the warden releases a message ordering ksos to start recovering the complex
and then a timer appears
that would be cool
solar nova
When were these logs added, btw?
solar nova
Yeah, the new ones.
solar nova
There's a decent chance they were added specifically because they have a good idea of what development will look like in the coming weeks.
gilded vine
Thursday with the release of the audio log, today with the release of the DOD log, monday for the EBDT log, wednesday for the MAH and WRDN log
All of them are within a week of each other
I think
Come wednesday
we are gonna see a 8 day timer
Thats my prediction
Wednesday from when the last log is released*
solar nova
I think the big reveal at the end of the game is that BIOCOM got stuck on some task to acquire some worthless object that just happens to be at the bottom of everything.
gilded vine
straight up a warden log
Dunno what gave you that idea :^)
When is anniversary
9th?
real pewter
10th
gilded vine
Final lore drops 00:00 Thursday 9th December for Sweden i think
If ive done my maths correctly
It feels far too convenient
But they wouldnt put a timer of only 1 day would they
gilded vine
Itd be funny if it was exactly 2 years in early access
solar nova
Damn, 4.8 month rundown length on average.
real pewter
timer on anniversary
that is going to be the announcement
US-DOD-RED1.LOG
why is this DOD-RED
instead of DOC-RED
gilded vine
He wanted to hide the fact that he worked on it
leaden kite
With the newest teaser I’m kinda thinking that symbol may have something to do with shafer (I think that’s the guys name)
solar nova
Rereading the new log, it doesn't appear that all KSOs are the sorts of people expected to come from the Legion, but it's still unclear if the accounted for are still prisoners with severe sentences or if some of them are there w/ memories intact.
Hackett calls himself a "merc," I believe, so hard to know if he was a KSO.
solar nova
Rereading the new log, it doesn't appear that *all* KSOs are the sorts of people...
Although, it does seem like they're documenting them for certain members, i.e. Hackett, so more likely they're all the Legion.
solar nova
Oh shit, March 2nd 2050 mentions Project Insight. This is over 2 years before K-UX-DeepScan, so it seems like the organization was probably kicking around for some time working for Dreyfus before they were assigned to lead the work in Garganta.
Probably a research division of some sort.
leaden dagger
thanks fam this was an interesting read
do you think this sort of ties in with the warden being an AI?
and to be funded by the US government is a pretty big deal
i reckon they work directly with the legion program, given that the US has so many overcrowded prisons
easy access to plenty of legion candidates
it also says that the research was primarily for the US government anyway
so is it more of a future dystopia type thing than we first thought?
fervent lagoon
Big if true
I stayed up late and everything to get the snipe on the last log
Then 
0 days 0 hours
gilded vine
if it makes you feel better then this one won't be so early
leaden dagger
I just remembered something. in the r5 audio log with... dauda? didn't he say "we're all infected with the virus"?
or am I just misremembering it
honest merlin
I think he said "we all have the virus" or something similar
I would very much appreciate a text transcript of the log because the audio quality and Dauda's accent make it a bit hard to understand at some points.
burnt light
"We all carry the virus now"
magic hatch
solar nova
Dunno that anyone could know that tbh.
honest merlin
"We all carry the virus now"
That is quite interesting actually - this leads to five possible scenarios:
- Dauda still has the virus
- The prolonged time he spent in hydrostasis has cured him
- A cure has been found to the virus and used on him
- Scenarios 2 and 3 - the reason The Warden might still be trying to find a cure for the virus in the complex (I think that's the most likely objective of The Warden) is that hydrostasis has the side effect of causing memory loss.
- Dauda thought he was infected when he actually wasn't.
honest merlin
He is a doctor himself so I'd assume he would know if he had the virus or not
honest merlin
I think him having the virus would be a massive liability in the eyes of The Warden, so I think he was either cured (which then makes me rethink the reason the Warden sends prisoners into the complex), or the long time he spent in hydrostasis somehow weakened or killed the virus, but it isn't a really good cure for the virus because it causes a memory wipe.
worthy flower
Potentially, he was cured of it, like that one person that had rabies and was cured by going into a coma
Except hydrostasis
But it might be like aids, but remission.
Or chickenpox or shingles
pastel knot
I do remember that the startup screen always says some stuff about infection and shit, so that could point to something
leaden dagger
so maybe the infection fog re-instates the virus? or wakes it up?
leaden dagger
I wonder if Nam-V was a bio weapon?
analog frigate
so maybe the infection fog re-instates the virus? or wakes it up?
if the whole thing about hydrostatis sort of killing the virus, it probably just re-infects them
just because you got cured from the virus doesn't mean that you are immune to it like a vaccine
analog frigate
I wonder if Nam-V was a bio weapon?
it's possible but there was no information about anything like that being made. also they didn't know about the virus even the higher ups expressed confusion about the effects it causes
analog frigate
or it could br hydro stasis makes the virus dormant?
could be
leaden dagger
ahh ok gotcha
analog frigate
then the virus gets re-activated when you go into the fog
leaden dagger
yuh thats what I'm thinking
do we know how long Dauda was in hydrostasis before being woken?
analog frigate
i don't think so
leaden dagger
damn
sounds like the baseline is a few years but not sure
makes me a little curious if maybe hydrostasis was originally for deactivating the virus, then they found the memory loss too?
just pulling that outta my ass though
harsh saffron
Didn't they invent hydrostasis for the manned mars mission?
or at least the funding for the research under that premise
analog frigate
also i've deduced the biology of how sleepers detect things
leaden dagger
😂
analog frigate
it's low to mid frequency echolocation
leaden dagger
flashbacks of our B1 run came flooding in
analog frigate
oh yeah
analog frigate
it's low to mid frequency echolocation
that would explain why the lock melters and fog repellers don't wake them up
they are quite high pitched
also they don't detect you when you break line of sight since sound doesn't go well through walls and such
solar nova
21 hours left.
pine drum
21 hours from what?
broken mason
new log unlock?
gilded vine
Ye
broken mason
pog
gilded vine
I call dibs on first read
broken mason
666 file should be pog (2.3 days)
so we have 5 files
State of truth audio: Stoop throat virus spreading in florida outside of gargantia
Department of defense: warfare management AI was successful but used condemnable actions via KSOs and is to be defunded
ebdt-b55 log: 21 hours
666 log: 2 days 7 hours
warden log: 2 days 21 hours
gonna guess that we learn more about the warden and what its doing.
My guess is that the Gargantia flu virus is/has spread around the world and the warden council and AI have been activated to send KSOs (us) to poke around garganta where the virus was found to see if they can find a cure or the means to make one
solar nova
Seems more likely the WRDN is a rogue AI with some unknown ultimate goal.
Defeating the sleepers might be its final objective, since that seems to have been Kovac's objective late in their campaign while they were tasked with security.
It's just seen the situation and decided, by its own calculations, that it has the better plan.
It's kind of a guerilla war, tbh.
broken mason
Why do you think the warden is an AI
The characters always reference it as multiple people?
solar nova
Not canonically.
solar nova
US-DOD-RED1.LOG and FTR-044-V.LOG, the latter even mentions "WRDN: override"
broken mason
"get what the warden want, and get home" "Fuck them! Fuck the warden!"
gilded vine
KSOs dont know what the warden actually is
broken mason
yes
gilded vine
Schaeffers audio log has him say "he knows its name. The Warden he called it. Said it just popped in there"
broken mason
Maybe its several AI working together like Portal 1 glados with all the personality modules?
broken mason
In this case it could be AI and multiple entities
gilded vine
There may be multiple DI but the only one working on Garganta seems to be the warden
solar nova
The reason I don't entirely trust the first quote is the age of the material, and how it might have been written. It could be that their story direction has changed, and they originally envisioned the Warden as an organization of people, but the writing direction shifted over time, probably due to some combination of how the story was developing on their ends and new talent being brought on-board. It could also be that this line was written with the intention of Woods being an unreliable narrator, or with the intention of being vague such as to leave room for the story to be written independent of this dialogue.
broken mason
True, it is an older quote, I agree there
gilded vine
"them" still works
broken mason
But Schaefer still refers to the warden as a them rather than an it
gilded vine
If the devs had it planned to be a memory wipe based program from the start then its fine
solar nova
Referring to "what the Warden want," here.
solar nova
But Schaefer still refers to the warden as a them rather than an it
Singular
they
is
grammatically correct.
broken mason
?
solar nova
Singular they is grammatically correct, what about that statement isn't contained within that statement?
broken mason
Ah I see where you're coming from
solar nova
"Dave went to the store yesterday. They bought two dozen eggs." This is grammatically correct.
broken mason
yes
It is a little unusual though, I dont hear that particular grammar in conversation often
solar nova
It's not particularly unusual.
broken mason
possibly left ambiguous on purpose, or maybe schaffer's insanity creeping through
solar nova
It's pretty common especially if gender or identity is ambiguous.
broken mason
true
true
I seem to remember the warden speaking at some point?
or at least communicating with the team
solar nova
^
fervent lagoon
you have to get what the warden want and go home
broken mason
A mid level objective update or something?
I dont remember maybe Im getting mixed up
solar nova
There was a very meaningless audio clip that played when you pulled up level info, actually no clue if this is still a feature.
If they removed it, I hope they bring it back.
Yeah, it's still in
blends in after so long...
fervent lagoon
which level
solar nova
All of them.
fervent lagoon
what
solar nova
^
sand garnet
Not me
I was think the same thing
Might some weird code
Does it change level to level
?
broken mason
yall reckon this was written by a machine or a human?
seeing as theres a spelling mistake im leaning toward human
broken mason
Exctraction
gilded vine
Easy to miss tbf
solar nova
More likely an error on the dev's part.
solar nova
If anything, the reactor shutdown animation implies either an AI or a script based on the rapid-fire actions.
broken mason
maybe, but surely someone playtesting would have seen it
fervent lagoon
game unplayable 0/10
solar nova
maybe, but surely someone playtesting would have seen it
That's very dubious.
fervent lagoon
maybe, but surely someone playtesting would have seen it
let me lead you to prepatch C2 overload
sand garnet
game unplayable 0/10
Agreed
gilded vine
Its really easy to miss grammar mistakes like in that weird text illusion
broken mason
sand garnet
Grammer mistakes = unplayable
broken mason
This one seems automated, but why is there an ellipsis
gilded vine
If there was hidden meaning behind these transmissions the devs would probably hide it some other way
broken mason
I am flip flopping between reading hard to analyse the lore and reading too hard into meaningless patterns
solar nova
We could either believe an extremely old audio clip from a trailer and the grammar of various in-game objective messages, or we could believe the very explicit and intentional logs we have about BIOCOM, the Warden, and their potential associations.
gilded vine
The only out of place part is the warden caring about us
broken mason
We could either believe an extremely old audio clip from a trailer and the gramm...
You make a good argument
gilded vine
Any speculation on what this next log will be
solar nova
All of the EBDT logs have been pretty random. Emails, news snippets, state of truth audio, etc. The two we've gotten have been pretty damn interesting, so I'm praying for something of note, probably an email between two people that details something of importance.
sand garnet
who was the lady that was overseeing the memory wiping in A3?
solar nova
who was the lady that was overseeing the memory wiping in A3?
Don't think her name is disclosed.
fervent lagoon
did we have syringes leaked for r3?
sand garnet
Don't think her name is disclosed.
Has she only come up that once?
solar nova
Has she only come up that once?
We're talking about the person in the A3 audio logs?
sand garnet
yep
gilded vine
I dont remember if syringes were leaked but i remember there was a log about them
solar nova
Don't think we've had anything clearly link her to any characters mentioned in emails so far.
Very possible she's a character we've heard of, though.
solar nova
did we have syringes leaked for r3?
If you mean through logs, logs barely existed back then.
gilded vine
There was a log for them
solar nova
Right, but only post-release in the levels.
Don't remember booster logs being out early, but I wasn't privy to the website for R5 either.
Oh, the R5 logs have real dates now?
fervent lagoon
booster log was on santonian
solar nova
Interesting...
Maybe, then.
The booster and syringe logs were EBDT logs.
Correction, not boosters, just syringes.
fervent lagoon
maybe we will get some more on those doors
sand garnet
we getting syringes?
manic shuttle
Exctraction
sand garnet
?
gilded vine
Exctraction
sand garnet
well im dumb
fervent lagoon
Exctraction
sand garnet
now i feel really dumb lol
real pewter
where log
gilded vine
Yo what if this entire thing was just a prank and they release the last log saying "jk now you gotta wait until next december before r6"
lone cairn
lol
heavy lodge
#dev-leaks message
looks like Schaeffer is alive??
gilded vine
Doesnt have to be schaeffer
dull crest
👀
gilded vine
Don't tease us like this
dull crest
👀
rich blaze
cunning light
please do tease us like this
burnt light
Imagine Schaeffer who's been always like "you do this but in secret so no one knows about me or us doing this" and presumably saying hello in morse code, now being like "LOOK, BROTHER, I'VE MARKED THIS DOOR FOR EVERYONE TO SEE"
lilac island
new r6 door?
leaden dagger
ok so new issue with the lore guys
infection must be something else, because there's disinfect packs and stations all around...
so infection is not Nam-V
lilac island
maybye they found a cure to it but they couldnt get it out fast enough???
thats a possibility
lilac island
skin breathes you know
lilac island
uhhhhh
leaden dagger
but I dont think it works here
analog frigate
skin breathes you know
also everyone wears like class c hazmat so
lilac island
maybye
analog frigate
probably
lilac island
but if it changes the host then it would change the cells
leaden dagger
not an infection in the living sense, but an exposure rather
analog frigate
some toxins like neurotoxins only need skin contact to cause issues
would explain why a shower would fix things
leaden dagger
very true
do we know of neurotoxins commonly found underground?
maybe we could identify it
analog frigate
i can assemble a list of possibilities
leaden dagger
although maybe the devs haven't thought this deep about ir
leaden dagger
aye yoooo
analog frigate
hmm
analog frigate
so let's think about what it does
lilac island
you know that one level in r4 i think with all the pale bodies
partially changed sleepers
analog frigate
it is naturally a liquid, since it's spewed as one from the spitters and the fog is just water vapour
lilac island
that makes even more sense
leaden dagger
correct
analog frigate
causes immediate health problems after contact
lilac island
so heres a wild guess
analog frigate
can be removed through skin only disinfection
but then leaves no residue on the skin 🤔
lilac island
hmmm
analog frigate
actually i'm not sure if it doesn't
gilded vine
Fog isnt just water vapour
gilded vine
lilac island
thats probably just the non infectious fog
analog frigate
_fine_ dust
that word usage causes issues
gilded vine
Fine dust can be dangerous
lilac island
to pc parts
analog frigate
because then we get into what the particle size can be and what filters they all use
leaden dagger
the masks would probably filter it out though, no?
analog frigate
thats probably just the non infectious fog
it is possible
analog frigate
the masks would probably filter it out though, no?
yes and no, filter size matters a lot
lilac island
each player character has a different sized filter
leaden dagger
yeah thats true
lilac island
and probably a different filter
leaden dagger
but also
analog frigate
the nanometer particle size
lilac island
aparently these are the masks
leaden dagger
unless there was intense drafts
analog frigate
drafts do not occur in mines at such depths due to the distance from the opening
leaden dagger
ah ok true
analog frigate
there are air pumps
true but how many?
if there are a lot they can push a lot of air in total but generally the air current will be slow
also the fog is sort of settled
since it stays at the lower parts constantly
leaden dagger
yeah thats true
and then also
with C2, the generators push the fog down and away
analog frigate
and they would have air pumps down there as not to build up co2
since it is a heavier gas
leaden dagger
i think fine dust is applicable in some cases but not all
analog frigate
you wouldn't want to go downstairs and start choking
analog frigate
i think fine dust is applicable in some cases but not all
agreed
leaden dagger
also
that log was from when they are mining
but in this case the complex is mostly finished
so wouldn't that apply mostly to lower levels?
that log says 2050
analog frigate
true
leaden dagger
I feel most of it would get filtered out in that time
or dealt with
especially with Nam-V going around
analog frigate
i've seen some deep mines though and fine dust can never get that thick
the ground is mostly covered with it
leaden dagger
yeah very true
analog frigate
but they definitely dealt with the dust
otherwise it would've been an insane health concern for workers
analog frigate
or we would see a lot of hazmat equipment
leaden dagger
which we do not
analog frigate
absolutely nothing
leaden dagger
if only a dev would confirm this 😂
gilded vine
Dont forget they dug into the weird mass
analog frigate
they wanted more fog reppellers
leaden dagger
but it would've had to rise through the complex then, and then resettle in very specific spots
analog frigate
it is a solid due to there being lava lookalike tubes
the dust could've been there though
gilded vine
Maybe it's magnetic
gilded vine
Feels like it
analog frigate
probably
gilded vine
You never are truly out of the fog
analog frigate
since the fog reppellers would have motors in them
if it was magnetic they would be useless
leaden dagger
that's also true
and then again
it's a motor, so fine dust would fuck it up
any dust after that much time would fuck it up
analog frigate
not really
you can isolate them and use a shaft to drive a propeller
also the small ones work for a limited time
so dust wouldn't be an issue for them
the big ones could have a larger isolation system, explaining why they can be on for longer
and are bigger
leaden dagger
ahh yeah, good points
analog frigate
also if it is dust, then it must be this cretasium
a composition scan would detect pretty much all matter if it is high tech enough to detect even the 0.0X materials
also nothing else besides the cretasium would be the infectious dust
it is the only thing with mostly unknown properties that exists
leaden dagger
which is a fake element, so we can't know anything about it
analog frigate
yep
leaden dagger
well shit
the other theory out there is iridium poisoning
not sure how I feel about that one though
analog frigate
that doesn't work
leaden dagger
yeah, that's what I figured
so that either rules out dust completely, or means it's only dust
I guess we have to wait for logs
leaden dagger
that wouldn't work
gilded vine
Why not
gilded vine
Its contamination, not irradiation
analog frigate
yes
gilded vine
Plus its most likely alpha particles
Hence why you need to be inside the fog for it to affect you
Which has a low penetrative power
analog frigate
true
but iridium doesn't only release alpha particles
and is the second densest metal
leaden dagger
and where would the radiation come from?
analog frigate
so dust that doesn't settle from it would be tiny
gilded vine
From the cretasium
leaden dagger
that just brings us back to; we can't know without more logs
leaden dagger
also would a fog repeller move the radiation?
analog frigate
it is basically on the top of the moh's scale
gilded vine
If the cretasium is in dust particles suspended in air, then pushing the dust away would basically nullify the alpha particles
analog frigate
also would a fog repeller move the radiation?
no, but it can't be radioactive
we get no mentions of radiation poisoning
leaden dagger
that's true
gilded vine
The only mention we have is of a virus
analog frigate
yeah
solar nova
It's most likely a waterborne virus, since it's transmitted through spitters, which are spraying some sort of liquid, and fog, which is usually caused by some sort of airborne moisture.
gilded vine
We have the wonderful opportunity to throw as many different theories at it until we get something which narrows it down
leaden dagger
It's most likely a waterborne virus, since it's transmitted through spitters, wh...
we ruled out virus; disinfect stations
it sprays you
all anti-viral stuff is ingested, at least that I'm aware of
honest merlin
How long was it until the next log?
leaden dagger
like 10 hours now I think
gilded vine
~9 hours
analog frigate
so we currently have: waterborne toxin and very fine dust
leaden dagger
^
solar nova
we ruled out virus; disinfect stations
Possibly, but could be the virus or parasites and we're just reducing the risk and severity of infection by washing off contagions.
analog frigate
we cannot prove the dust theory until we learn more about cretasium
solar nova
It's kind of implied that disinfection isn't really a cure anyway, it's just a sanitization measure.
analog frigate
so let's see why it would be a toxin
solar nova
Could just be poisonous.
analog frigate
It's kind of implied that disinfection isn't really a cure anyway, it's just a s...
if it gets in you, that's it
washing your skin doesn't help
leaden dagger
very true
analog frigate
it will multiply internally until you most likely die
solar nova
if it gets in you, that's it
Depends on how they spin it.
gilded vine
The problem is getting sprayed by a spitter even if you don't ingest it by looking away. It causes coughing
leaden dagger
and if it was a virus, we do still have immune systems
does it actually? I play the game without the dialog on so ig I don't know
solar nova
The parasite especially could be something that latches onto you externally, logs mention "removing" it, so perhaps the idea is to slow their ability to make you sick.
analog frigate
The problem is getting sprayed by a spitter even if you don't ingest it by looki...
sarin also causes such effects so it could be a neurotoxin
analog frigate
The parasite especially could be something that latches onto you externally, log...
could be
leaden dagger
fair point ray
analog frigate
some microscopic lifeforms latching onto your skin that then get washed off
good point
leaden dagger
that begs the other question, how would that parasite still be alive? whats the host? how is it staying suspended alive in the fog?
solar nova
Some sort of tiny egg or larvae that can be suspended in water that can land on a host.
leaden dagger
hmm, so I guess we can't totally rule out parasite
but I'm fairly confident in ruling out virus, unless somehow the nature of viruses changed in the future lmao
analog frigate
so: neurotoxin, waterborne parasite or very fine dust
leaden dagger
yuh
gilded vine
Wheres matpat when you need him
analog frigate
it's properties line up with a neurotoxin and a parasite
we don't know enough about cretasium so we cannot rule out it being fine dust
solar nova
Well, general poison, doesn't necessarily have to be a neurotoxin.
analog frigate
could be
leaden dagger
true
analog frigate
but something very very specific
because poison just kills after a certain dose
this doesn't
leaden dagger
true, it does cap out
analog frigate
so it must be something that the human body can handle to an extent
or it cannot enter the body enough to administer a fatal dose
leaden dagger
mercury came to mind but I'm not sure. cause it's pretty lethal
solar nova
because poison just kills after a certain dose
I mean, sure, but a lethal dose might be quite high, or we might be in expedition for a short enough time it doesn't matter.
analog frigate
mercury isn't, the fumes are, which lines up with it being some sort of toxin
analog frigate
I mean, sure, but a lethal dose might be quite high, or we might be in expeditio...
true, but you can stay in the fog as much as you want and not die
solar nova
But canonically? We're probably not down there more than 5 hours ever.
analog frigate
5 hours of exposure to most toxins will kill you
leaden dagger
laughs in solo PE
analog frigate
it would have to be something very weak to not kill you after such an exposure
analog frigate
true, but the fog is very dense
leaden dagger
high water content?
solar nova
^
analog frigate
yes
solar nova
Might not necessarily have a high concentration of any poison.
gilded vine
Im sticking with my fine dust
leaden dagger
😂
gilded vine
It causes coughs,
It makes you very sick if too much is inhaled
Which accounts for that little buffer where you dont get infected until 10%
Causes sweating
leaden dagger
I'm sticking with poison gang
gilded vine
As seen on the screen
analog frigate
true, but most things don't cause much in low concentrations
gilded vine
We are literally in a mine
solar nova
true, but most things don't cause much in low concentrations
With enough exposure, it would.
analog frigate
still would make sense that they would be cleared out, we are talking about probably the richest company on earth
they want things done as fast as they can
leaden dagger
exactly ^
analog frigate
people getting infected with dust would slow things down and cause a big revenue drop
no one wants that
solar nova
Isn't that the point of all of the climate control?
analog frigate
With enough exposure, it would.
agreed
leaden dagger
hence, why in that log, he said they'll put more fog reps down there
gilded vine
The virus running rampant down in the facility was causing most of the disruptions,
And for all we know its been years since the incident and it was evacuatef
solar nova
Things are pretty clearly derelict, as well ^
gilded vine
The climate control could have failed under little maintenance
analog frigate
even more time for the dust to settle, also the power wasn't always on for the air pumps to work
leaden dagger
the heat would kill us real quick given how deep we are
analog frigate
the heat would kill us real quick given how deep we are
not really, but yeah
leaden dagger
could*
solar nova
if we can still live down there?
Climate control has explicitly failed in many areas? Every gen cluster objective is about restoring it.
analog frigate
at such depths the head would be around 40C+
gilded vine
40C ez
analog frigate
that would explain the sweating
leaden dagger
facts
analog frigate
also the fog would keep heat in
analog frigate
40C+ is a bit extreme
leaden dagger
but in some areas certainly
analog frigate
but we are talking about something not from earth
gilded vine
Too many unknowns but we are forming multiple solid foundations for what it could be
analog frigate
or at least evolved to live deep in extreme conditions
analog frigate
Too many unknowns but we are forming multiple solid foundations for what it coul...
that's very good
gilded vine
Could be all of them
gilded vine
The 2 realistic options and the 1 science fiction option
solar nova
1km shouldn't actually be all that hot?
leaden dagger
given the location too
gilded vine
Provided the walls arent insulated
analog frigate
yep
analog frigate
Provided the walls arent insulated
they are just rock in the lower parts
analog frigate
given the location too
depending on the location it can be ~35C to ~60C
solar nova
analog frigate
yet again depends on the location
leaden dagger
its in the gulf of mexico area
gilded vine
C1 800m deep and yet plants growing with no problem
They gotta be super tropical no?
leaden dagger
most definitely
analog frigate
C1 800m deep and yet plants growing with no problem
it is isolated no?
leaden dagger
the plants were being researched
analog frigate
does c1 have actual walls?
leaden dagger
possibly
gilded vine
Yes but the plants are surviving underground on their own
analog frigate
are they just normal plants?
gilded vine
No clue
leaden dagger
they dont look to be normal plants
analog frigate
hmm
analog frigate
they dont look to be normal plants
fair point
gilded vine
There are green plants
analog frigate
that poses issues
analog frigate
they should be dead in any case
leaden dagger
or, at least, that they could
solar nova
Reading further, temperature at great depths varies a lot, and will depend on ventilation, locality, and, in our case, how hot the devs want it to be down there.
analog frigate
yeah that implies they still photosynthesize
there are no lights to allow it to be done consistently
analog frigate
a very big issue
leaden dagger
more supernatural explanations i suppose
analog frigate
they make no sense to be alive unless they are completely experimented on with different soil or something
solar nova
It's probably safe to assume they were cared for before things went to shit?
leaden dagger
certainly
gilded vine
Definitely
analog frigate
for sure
leaden dagger
but at this point its been abadoned for years
gilded vine
We dont know how long its been abandoned
leaden dagger
its implied to be quite awhile
analog frigate
but at this point its been abadoned for years
and they didn't have any light
analog frigate
exactly
gilded vine
Its all we can do
analog frigate
@dull crest how do your plants grow man
analog frigate
we went full circle there lol
we can only just think about it with no confirmation
dull crest
<@!264164771669082112> how do your plants grow man
My wife handles our plants. I grow some herbs, that's all
gilded vine
Lets hope tonights log propels us in a useful direction
solar nova
Quick, we need to review the logs for female scientists that might be Calle's wife.
analog frigate
OH YEAH
analog frigate
god damn please
leaden dagger
😂
analog frigate
we have unsolvable fog and alien plants
analog frigate
basically
leaden dagger
and you have my sword
gilded vine
Raise my sword
analog frigate
doesn't make any sense
leaden dagger
nope, but its neat
gilded vine
If it was magnetic it could push them away
analog frigate
actually it might work if it was dust and had some field properties
leaden dagger
through floors?
gilded vine
Ye
leaden dagger
honestly i think it was simplicity in design
analog frigate
If it was magnetic it could push them away
then it would stick to fog reps even while they were off since motor magnets
gilded vine
It doesnt have to a strong field either
leaden dagger
make it a sphere and call it a day
gilded vine
then it would stick to fog reps even while they were off since motor magnets
Repelling force
analog frigate
how can you repel magnetic particles with magnets?
they would have extremely varying polarity
leaden dagger
😂
gilded vine
Nah
analog frigate
hypothetical but could exist
gilded vine
Electromagnetism
analog frigate
ah
gilded vine
A spherical design would be handy too
analog frigate
i see some issues with the quantum mechanics of them
specifically any north ones
a field would come out without coming in
it would decay very quickly
fervent lagoon
Why does it have to be magnetic
leaden dagger
it works through walls
fervent lagoon
Why cant it just be a glorified leaf blower
analog frigate
Why does it have to be magnetic
we are checking possibilities
analog frigate
Why cant it just be a glorified leaf blower
because it can't just blow air out that then makes a perfect sphere
gilded vine
i see some issues with the quantum mechanics of them
I mean easy answer. Magnetic fields are solenoidal and divergence free
leaden dagger
Todd Howard invented it. "it just works"
fervent lagoon
Understandable
analog frigate
I mean easy answer. Magnetic fields are solenoidal and divergence free
i suppose
gilded vine
No, thats literally fact lol
analog frigate
ah
gilded vine
No divergence means no sources or sinks on their own
The problem is then that dust particles cant be repelled by magnets
Because they do the old fliparoo
analog frigate
true
leaden dagger
i honestly think it was just a simpler design so they went with it
no deeper meaning
analog frigate
also the particles would stick and form bigger ones that cannot remain afloat
gilded vine
Electric fields could work under strict conditions
analog frigate
no deeper meaning
i don't care, i want answers
analog frigate
Electric fields could work under strict conditions
hypothetically, but how would that fit in a small fog rep
leaden dagger
LEAK THE PLANT LORE
analog frigate
it would most likely need the setup the size of the locker it's in
leaden dagger
^^^ true
gilded vine
It doesn't need to be very strong
analog frigate
the induced fields would need to be very specific
gilded vine
Remember this is fine dust we are considering
analog frigate
yes
but clearing up a 5m or so sphere would require extreme technical precision
there would at least be some disturbances along the edges but no, just a sphere
gilded vine
but clearing up a 5m or so sphere would require extreme technical precision
Oh no..... I've just made a grave discovery
analog frigate
that being?
gilded vine
Boosters
analog frigate
OH NO
gilded vine
Fog repeller power babyyyyy
analog frigate
let's just not talk about those
gilded vine
We must consider EVERYTHING
leaden dagger
FUCK WHY DID YOU HAVE TO THINK OF THOSE
gilded vine
Every booster
leaden dagger
THE CFOAM PORTION
analog frigate
the unwritten rule of the #gtfo-lore channel, "DO NOT TALK ABOUT BOOSTERS"
leaden dagger
"it just works"
gilded vine
Some of the boosters make sense. Melee strength/resistance etc
leaden dagger
hey ima bring this diamond with me. it gives me extra foam from... well..
it just does ok?
gilded vine
Boosters are injected into you
analog frigate
Some of the boosters make sense. Melee strength/resistance etc
yeah but like
anything that affects external things is funky
gilded vine
Glow stick power
leaden dagger
cocaine
analog frigate
also the glowstick ones
leaden dagger
lmao
gilded vine
Cfoam you might get away with by saying technical skill and precision
analog frigate
if you are near them, you take less damage
leaden dagger
if you are near them, you take less damage
comfort
gilded vine
if you are near them, you take less damage
Its a placebo that works
analog frigate
also trip mine damage?
analog frigate
Its a placebo that works
bruh
gilded vine
Did you see that comment about a weaker mine that explodes multiple times?
leaden dagger
who hasnt lmao
gilded vine
How make mine explode and stay existing
analog frigate
i mean, they can add that
fervent lagoon
Cluster mine
leaden dagger
wouldnt you like to know
fervent lagoon
Whats the lore on invisible walls
analog frigate
absolute chaos
gilded vine
Whats the lore on invisible walls
Windows
analog frigate
Whats the lore on invisible walls
god exists and he doesn't like you
let's stop talking about boosters
new rule of the channel, don't talk about them
gilded vine
We shouldve been on it on day 1
analog frigate
people have been on god for over two thousand years and guess what we have
leaden dagger
constant low-frequency emissions coming from the walls
gilded vine
i love the invisible walls lore
An antigravity forcefield
gilded vine
Localised entirely in a 2 dimensional plane of existence
leaden dagger
spawn caps
gilded vine
spawn caps
Sleepers are still sleeping
analog frigate
alright so, two new rules: don't talk about wall logic and don't talk about boosters
leaden dagger
Sleepers are still sleeping
shit u right
gilded vine
alright so, two new rules: don't talk about wall logic and don't talk about boos...
Ravenna can you pin this
leaden dagger
BOOSTER THAT INCREASES INVISIBLE WALL POWER
analog frigate
spawn caps
sound can go through stuff but not through that many
gilded vine
Im cold
analog frigate
BOOSTER THAT INCREASES INVISIBLE WALL POWER
booster that decreases sound made by smashing sleepers so that other ones awake from further away
leaden dagger
booster that decreases sound made by smashing sleepers so that other ones awake ...
🤨
smashing sleepers eh?
i dont wanna see that
get a room
gilded vine
Sussy
leaden dagger
fr
analog frigate
leaden dagger
can we have a canonical sleeper sex scene
analog frigate
can we have a canonical sleeper sex scene
i think that would be a no
gilded vine
Dont underestimate r34 users
leaden dagger
im surprised it hasnt been done yet
analog frigate
yes
gilded vine
Noone knows this game still exists
leaden dagger
cause its been R005 for 8 months
analog frigate
still early access tho
leaden dagger
fax
analog frigate
we are over here just overthinking absolutely everything of the game while devs are like "yeah let's just do that and drive the community insane"
leaden dagger
😂
we're giving them too many ideas
quick, delete it all
practically writing it ourselves
gilded vine
Genuinely feels like the new lore will be dropping any minute now but no its only dark bc winter
analog frigate
ravenna probably will too when she pins the message
analog frigate
Genuinely feels like the new lore will be dropping any minute now but no its onl...
how many hours are left?
gilded vine
~8
analog frigate
so 2am for me
gilded vine
Ill ping you when it drops
analog frigate
ty
gilded vine
1 more lecture before freedom
gilded vine
Lucky you
Normally id be sleeping until 7pm my time anyway
But i havent slept in almost 24hr now
leaden dagger
bruh
gilded vine
And I'm still feeling coherent
leaden dagger
get sum sleep
leaden dagger
i get that
gilded vine
Even then I'll probably stay awake bc im a dumbass who thinks about this damn game too much
leaden dagger
fr, i had a dream about it 2 nights in a row
in one i choke-held a shooter then threw it down a flight of stairs
felt good
lots of interal rage against those cunts
gilded vine
I want to go to sleep as soon as i get home, but I need a squad for like an hour after im home
- i need to stop encountering skill issues
Such is the fate of non protaganists in this game
Canonically im destined to fail
leaden dagger
lmao
gilded vine
<:BabyShooter:693532344866308116>
gilded vine
@analog frigate i won't make it, fulfill your destiny and discover the log
gilded vine
analog frigate
alright got it
6 hours to go
god that's 2am
i might try and remain awake
i will inform you as soon as i can access it
analog frigate
also about the fog
while chatting about with my grandpa he gave me an interesting idea
what if it is an allergic reaction caused by the hydrostasis pods?
leaden dagger
hmmm
that wouldnt quite make sense, since its just a prolonged medically induced coma type thing
wouldnt suddenly develop an allergy i wouldnt think
gilded vine
Alright i sleep
If I'm not awake by 2am your time, just screenshot and post it in here to save time
Make sure you show all text
lilac island
or read it on the lore discord
solar nova
3 hours to go?
solar nova
Ah, probably 4 then.
solar nova
7PM for me.
leaden dagger
6pm here
lilac island
thats midnight for me
harsh saffron
Midnight 😩
lilac island
ahh yes a person from the uk
harsh saffron
germany ^^
cursive moss
it will be 2 am for me
same 😔 feels bad man
sand garnet
It be 5pm for me
lilac island
ur lucky
analog frigate
Ravenna can you pin this
@shut mountain 👀
shut mountain
I don't know, can i?
analog frigate
not my choice
shut mountain
I could, but I would prefer to keep pins here for actually seriously lore stuff if those come up
stone vine
no booster lore smh
shut mountain
Boosters are expired energy drinks
stone vine
analog frigate
booster lore is binary data from a rat's brain on cocaine
i will overthink every detail of GTFO
i want the lore
analog frigate
stone vine
hope we get more hole lore ngl
analog frigate
it will be 2 am for me
i cannot succeed
otherwise tomorrow i will be even deader than normal
leaden dagger
😂
static shadow
This faked me out so hard
cunning light
Just 56 minutes left
lilac island
49 now
leaden dagger
lmao
pulsar crater
cunning light
fervent lagoon
##########################################
Mambo Media Services news wire
Manchester Eye
Mar 18th, 2053
Growing Concern over NAM-V
by Duncan Keith
Saturday night at the Manchester Royal Infirmary. Usually, the emergency room sees a stead
y influx of patients. It’s busy; but no more than they can handle. the Infirmary is well s
taffed and stocked and has a reputation for dealing with patients quickly and efficiently.
But not tonight. Tonight over 250 people crowd the waiting rooms. As one patient is seen,
treated, and released, 2 more take their place at the end of the line. There are no beds l
eft, not enough personal protective equipment for the medical staff, and a barely containe
d sense of panic among the cast-down faces of those waiting in hope that they don’t have “
the Stoops”. This is a hospital clinging on, desperately trying to weather the storm. The
storm of the NAM-V virus.
Since the WHO officially labeled the NAM-V virus as a pandemic, the number of reported cas
es has spiked. In part that is due to a more concerted testing effort, but it is also a si
gn of just how quickly this virus is spreading. Unlike previous pandemics (Hook, COVID19 –
21, Respo-Z2), this one debilitates its victims. There is no stay-at-home solution. If yo
u have NAM-V, you need medical support. The long-term effects of the virus are still unkno
wn, but once you start to feel the tightening in your bones and the persistent hallucinati
ons you will need medical supervision, or the end will be swift. Medical intervention is t
he only thing that can slow the decline. Even if the patient does manage to survive the in
itial onslaught of the virus, it will remain in their system and can strike again without
warning. Once you are isolated with NAM-V, you stay isolated.
… story continues on page 7
##########################################
Oh, cool, so the world is ending in-game?
solar nova
it will remain in their system and can strike again without warning
I take it that this is what Dauda meant.
fervent lagoon
what were the themes of R4 and 5? i wasnt paying attention
this rundown was something with fog right
solar nova
Not sure what you mean.
solar nova
Our goals in R4 and R5 are about setting up for KDS Deep, and the final mission in R5 is navigating to it and activating it.
dim scroll
Could it be that the end goal of the expeditions is to find a remedy to NAM-V ?
pastel knot
I would say they probably found one, but it's somewhere deep in the complex
solar nova
Could be a lot of things. Based on what we know right now, it's probably either curing NAM-V or, more likely, since BIOCOM is designed to oversee combat operations, its goal is to defeat the sleepers or something related to the sleepers.
solar nova
I doubt it would be anything directly related to the pandemic, or the outside world at all.
Finding a cure or way to prevent the spread would just be a likely step on the way to whatever it wants to do.
Eradicate sleepers, retake the complex, etc.
dim scroll
In the end there is something of much higher value than saving the world from a pandemic (including all the money you'd get from making a remedy) or simply retaking the complex
solar nova
In the end there is something of much higher value than saving the world from a ...
Not sure what you mean by this?
dim scroll
As you suggested, "Finding a cure or way to prevent the spread would just be a likely step on the way to whatever it wants to do."
That'd mean there is something of greater interest that can be gained by retaking control of the complex
Rather than simply ending NAM-V pandemic
solar nova
That'd mean there is something of greater interest that can be gained by retakin...
Naw, I think that's a bit unlikely for now, or at least it's not necessarily anything spectacular it's after.
dim scroll
kinda mysterious tho
i just can't think of anything aside from the remedy (unlikely ?)/biological weapon/something that's not understandable with the current human knowledges scenario
We still don't know what is the thing that escaped the complex either
solar nova
I'm looking at this more from the lens that BIOCOM is a combat computer, and it's probably trying to do something that a combat computer would want to do. Ending the pandemic, curing NAM-V, etc. are probably not things it would be designed to be tasked with. Instead, it probably has some ordinary goal that it's going to great lengths to accomplish (eradicate sleepers in the complex, take control of major areas of the complex, destroy or contain something that the sleepers, virus, and parasites originated from, or something else that BIOCOM would be expected to be tasked with).
It's trying to "win" in some war that it believes it's fighting.
dim scroll
So a single task without any purpose behind as it is a computer
or various tasks but there is no ideology behind all this
aside from winning
solar nova
Yep, that's how I expect it's functioning.
dim scroll
Is BIOCOM supposed to be the operating system of the complex ?
Didn't read too much logs about it
solar nova
Is BIOCOM supposed to be the operating system of the complex ?
BIOCOM is Kovac's digital intelligence used to oversee their combat operations/"missions." Specifically, it oversees KSOs (the Legion), and uses them to complete missions.
Critics of BIOCOM highlight concerns over the use of its “equivalency algorithm’, the mathematical principle used by BIOCOM to gage mission success by projected casualties. There is also growing concern over the practice of Martial Trafficking, as many of the operatives used by BIOCOM (designated as Kovac Security Operatives) come from unknown origins, have no legal rights or status, and have been trained using methods that break the Zurich Concord of 2042.
We also know that it operates somewhat autonomously from the rest of Kovac, and is showing signs of "going rogue" in order to accomplish something in the log with the latest date we have access to. It apparently is supposed to operate from KDS Deep, but it's unclear if it's still housed there when we're being sent into the complex, presumably by it, in-game.
The "going rogue" log in question shows that it's trying to do something akin to what we end up doing in-game (rerouting a ton of resources into KDS Deep).