october in 2053 is significant as the outbreak throughout the complex happened that month
#gtfo-lore
lilac island
tall anchor
So assuming it's that, "The Incident" is referring to schaffer
Nevermind, I'm a dumbass and chase has it all right.
lilac island
iirc the event causing the complex to be in the state its in happened october 7th
or, at least the sleeper outbreak
tall anchor
Well, we don't really have a date on when the sleepers broke out
We know they're there in 2053, nothing before that
Signs point to that october 7th date, but that's really it
tall anchor
iirc the event causing the complex to be in the state its in happened october 7t...
i mean, we know it happened before october seventh
tall anchor
iirc the event causing the complex to be in the state its in happened october 7t...
and there's obviously the deep scan thing in 2052, so i would agree, however i would not say oct. 7th specifically, because he refers to "the incident that happened recently"
lilac island
i say the 7th because of the random spawn terminals with biotracker logs
dated to the 7th iirc
or no those were dated to the 11th
i might have mixed up the 7th and 11th and the 11th might be the date
which lines up with those biotracker logs, the auto_gen_status.log and the introduced evacuation protocols which seem to have been slapped together only days before the full collapse of what's going on
scenic ether
Is all the previous lore in older rundowns inaccessible through in game?
pastel knot
pretty much
scenic ether
Well I'm not going to bother looking in game at lore at all then and just use 3rd hand sources.
gilded vine
Well I'm not going to bother looking in game at lore at all then and just use 3r...
The thing is it's so much more interesting discovering the logs in game, even if its accidental rather than going onto santonianindustries.com and looking at it.
scenic ether
The thing is it's so much more interesting discovering the logs in game, even if...
I'd have to use out of game sources anyway since I'll never do R1-R4
hushed abyss
I wonder if stuff was missed in any previous rundown
gilded vine
I doubt it, lore hunters are very thorough
Especially when the primary source of lore is on terminals
harsh saffron
pretty sure there were no additional logs at least; since the devs put all of them in the archive and those are exactly the same as the ones that have been found
but I could imagine stuff like the morse code in R4B1 could have been missed if it were a bit more subtle (pretty sure all the lore is "obvious" enough tho)
vivid yacht
I wonder if stuff was missed in any previous rundown
even if they missed something i think they can download the previous versions
surreal lark
downloading previous lore from the wiki Pog
blissful helm
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lilac island
Speaking of scouts maybe scouts were used to drill out the area before they summoned large amounts of enemies
pastel knot
🤔
dim scroll
what
stone vine
Speaking of scouts maybe scouts were used to drill out the area before they summ...
with tentacles...?
pulsar crater
?
astral flax
speaking of baby's i think they tried to add Dababy's but failed so
languid walrus
||How credible is the theory of the prisoners being clones as speculated by the A3 audio log?||
rapid prawn
Honestly seems unlikely to me
languid walrus
||What about them being androids since Woods asked if he had already been "reset"?||
rich blaze
Reset could also be just the chemicals used in HSUs
reseting them to the original mental state/blank slate
languid walrus
Are the subjects in HSUs dead or can they be awoken?
rich blaze
Depends
Some have been malfunctioning
on levels with HSUs lying around
you can query them
and there's a name and their status
languid walrus
Have there been any important names found within an HSU?
Or are they all pointless and just randomized?
rich blaze
We assume it's random, although we also could just not have been paying attention
Personally I have my theory that HSUs sends them in a stasis state with very low frequency brainwaves
Considering the OSIP and other chemicals you find
languid walrus
Do subjects age when they're in stasis?
rich blaze
Considering they're considering it for Mars or Deep space travel, I assume that no
lilac island
i'd assume the hsu's are just a rebrand of cryo pods so no subjects inside the pods wont age
as for the whole brain wiping thing i would assume it has something to do with brainwaves that either supresses or wipes memorys
honest merlin
There was a log about the effects of hydrostasis on memory somewhere. That's probably why in the character logs we hear someone (The Warden possibly) checking on the memory status of the prisoners before putting them back in stasis to make them forget more.
My theories for who/what The Warden is:
A group of employees of either Kovac Security or Santonian Industries, possibly both, and they are working to gather valuable objects and data from the Complex. The reason why is unknown, but it is very probable that nobody else in the world knows about someone probing the ruins of garganta. It is also possible that The Warden is an AI created by either or both of the previously mentioned, that is either just running old code without supervision and sending prisoners on pointless missions or doing the work for someone else or alternatively working towards an actual goal on its own, such as finding a cure to the virus mentioned in one of the logs, possibly as a sort of failsafe mechanism. An apocalyptic event with the very fatal virus outbreak mentioned in one of the logs is a possibility, and it is possible that everyone in the world is dead and only The Warden is left with lots of Kovac Security operatives aka prisoners in hydrostasis, and is now trying to find answers in the complex by sending prisoners down there. If The Warden is an AI, it is possible that it was given its assignment to find a cure by Kovac Security and/or Santonian Industries and its creators/employers went to hydrostasis until the cure is found.
I don't find the cloning theory probable, because it takes a long time to develop clones, and clones will be a different person with just the same genes, not the same person.
Considering Dauda's case, he was probably found by a salvage/sweeping team of KS and/or SI, thoroughly interrogated and made a KS operative (prisoner). Alternatively he could have been found by other prisoners sent by The Warden, but had already lost all of his memories at that point due to being in hydrostasis for such a long time.
It would really help if we knew which year the events of the game are set in... Considering the state the complex is in it can be anything from 2055 to 2100...
@dull crest do you have any comments?
dull crest
No clue man 😉
honest merlin
doubt
Though it would be pretty funny if the devs just had made the lore in the logs without having a larger hidden lore that they just won't reveal to players.
dull crest
Really. The Loré is beyond me. Asked Simon for a document and he just stared at me. He knows but few others
gilded vine
Even the developers don't know why the game is happening
dull crest
Though it would be pretty funny if the devs just had made the lore in the logs w...
We aren't Star Wars 😉
honest merlin
Interesting, so there is a complete lore that the devs know, but it hasn't been shared completely even inside the dev team
Hmm... Can someone give me a screenshot of a HSU query message (or a few just to get a good sample)?
dull crest
Interesting, so there is a complete lore that the devs know, but it hasn't been ...
Yup
Probably for the best
honest merlin
I am tempted to ping the lorekeeper devs
harsh saffron
Question: Is it KovaC or KovaK? I need to know to put my mind at ease ^^
honest merlin
Seems to be Kovak
burnt light
Hmm... Can someone give me a screenshot of a HSU query message (or a few just to...
You still need the screens?
honest merlin
Yes
lilac island
||How credible is the theory of the prisoners being clones as speculated by the ...
given that Schaeffer exists and is alone, with all three of his groupmates dead, it's pretty easily presumed that no, they are not clones. HSU appears by all means to be an artificial form of cryptobiosis, where the body is kept in a state that's practically dead, with all biological functions in such a low state that they're barely detectable, and thus, not shown on the HSUs face until resuscitation, as seen with the neonate HSU in R3A1, where heart rate and blood pressure are only ever shown after the resuscitation process. this sort of thing can be also kind of reflected in some of the chemicals searched for throughout the complex, generally being used to maintain brain functionality, or in the case of OSIP - have to do with keeping the brain in a lower state of function. subjects practically don't biologically age while in hydrostasis, as their body is so slowed down that their body's aging processes would take far, far longer than normal. HSUs are randomized in terms of what names pop up on terminals.
honest merlin
Considering one of Schaeffer's logs - has anyone tried typing in the command 'RESIST' in a terminal in a level below 1100 meters?
blissful helm
C3
burnt light
Considering one of Schaeffer's logs - has anyone tried typing in the command 'RE...
They did and they found another audiolog. You can check the last pinned message and seach for the one called DTLA-SCH-4PR.LOG if you don't feel like looking for it in game. Every other log and more info is there too.
honest merlin
Yup, found it.
I have been going through the whole timeline for a few times now to connect all the dots. The lore of this game is impressive, and goes really deep (pun intended)
Can't wait for R6 to get more lore
scenic ether
Is there a lore reason to why we are sent down without a full load out?
We aren't given full mags on a drop but like 2.5 mags.
Are we that short on bullets that we can't even fill up the last mag?
shut mountain
Why give a lot of resources for someone who more than likely will die with them down there, ergo reducing the "stock" a lot quicker, when you can give them enough to get around, and they will find some down there anyway? 🤔
languid walrus
Are the four main characters the only ones doing these expeditions or are there other prisoners who also are being tasked with them?
harsh saffron
The only other people that we heard of that might be doing the same stuff as we do are Schaeffer and his 3 mates. But I think he only mentions once that his group is "just like" ours so maybe hes just saying they are a group of 4 that are down in the complex and not literally doing the exact same stuff.
But with the end of E1, we might have more groups we hear about in the future.
languid walrus
I do hope with that, we could find logs or something in R6 that details the accounts of other groups.
cobalt mulch
b4 indicates a parallel operation nearby, distract ...
gilded vine
I mean clear a path expeditions have always been for some sort of alternative purposes
scenic ether
Why give a lot of resources for someone who more than likely will die with them ...
Except the characters we play as are still alive unless its clones. If that were the case how are bullets more rare than cloning materials
Also we're somehow given 2 guns and a tool on every run. Rather than 1 bolt action rifle only
solar nova
Is there a lore reason to why we are sent down without a full load out?
We're probably expected to be able to find more than enough equipment in the complex, so no need to overload prisoners when what you receive should be more than enough to start out with. They're also cutting their ammo expenditure per expedition nearly in half for what is probably a very low drop in survival rate.
It's probably safe to assume that any forward extraction is at least partly to do with clearing the area for maintenance, assessing threats, or diverting and exterminating local hostile biomass.
vivid yacht
The only other people that we heard of that might be doing the same stuff as we ...
i think according to lore only schaefer is still alive from his team
honest merlin
Though Schaeffer mentioned "so many of us running through the maze", which could be reference to loads of teams doing missions, just individually.
harsh saffron
i think according to lore only schaefer is still alive from his team
Yeah I meant like: The only other group that might have been doing the same work as we do ^^
fervent lagoon
Based on what schaeffer has said i think chad theory is more likely than clone theory
broken mason
I think chad theory makes sense for the main four, but if we ever get character customization I reckon the theory that we are the warden using the cortex interface to guide the prisoners/KSOs through the complex makes much more sense.
honest merlin
New theory - the characters are indeed clones, but controlled by the original (because clones are just genetically similar beings, and a clone is a completely different person from the original) via the cortex interface, and due to similar neural structure the cortex interface can transmit information gathered by the senses of the clone, which are basically empty ragdolls without a soul/consciousness and need the original to control them with the cortex interface. Due to the "feed" from senses being perfect, the characters don't necessarily have to even realize that they are controlling ragdolls, and dying still feels like dying... Perhaps that would explain Dauda's nightmares...
Out of all of the clone theories I think this is closest to reality in terms of how clones actually function, but I still think that the characters aren't clones.
fervent lagoon
let my try and dumb this down for my stupid ass, you are saying that they are clones but because of the thing in their heads they remember previous runs?
honest merlin
I mean that the characters that are running around in the complex are empty clone ragdolls that can't function on their own and are instead controlled remotely by the original bodies Matrix-style. Though how Schaeffer is running off on his own this theory doesn't make much sense...
I just think that the clone theory is very improbable, unless memories can be transferred via the cortex interface. But in case of clones, I don't think the prisoners we have would be the prime candidates for cloning, surely The Warden would pick more able people.
fervent lagoon
they way i understood it was the cortex thing was transmitting everything they sensed and their thoughts to a "database" which loaded their conscience onto a new clone
honest merlin
That's one way it could go, yes.
fervent lagoon
and Hackett seems like the only good candidate to me, capable of killing with no remorse
honest merlin
But cloning still needs a lot of resources, I think it would be just more efficient to use the 8000 (or more, can't remember the exact amount from the log) bodies of Legionnaires in HSUs.
fervent lagoon
possibly
who said it has to be a clone, maybe they just load the conscience onto those bodies
i think you are onto something here
honest merlin
IF the prisoners are indeed clones, then the "ragdoll clone" & cortex interface memory transfer makes most sense.
But I still think that the characters we play as are the originals.
The game hasn't done anything so far to even try explaining retrying levels after death, and usually when clones are involved in a game or other work of scifi it is explained or hinted at somehow.
fervent lagoon
the only thing that seems like chad theory doesnt work is the, what was it the trailer? where dauda talked about his "dreams"
honest merlin
the only thing that seems like chad theory doesnt work is the, what was it the t...
That is indeed something worth considering. I feel that they might be glimpses of previous expeditions that he has forgotten due to time spent in hydrostasis
fervent lagoon
do we know when that falls into the timeline
honest merlin
And that particular trailer is very old, and in light of the "true" log version of Dauda's dream, it might be non-canon
honest merlin
who is the lore dev
Simon as far as I know
honest merlin
do we know when that falls into the timeline
For all we know it might be decades after the collapse of Garganta. The prisoners could have been in HSUs for years between individual expeditions/rundowns. We don't really know, because they are put back to hydrostasis after extraction.
rich blaze
The dream could also be Hydrostasis having an effect on their memories of it
worthy flower
i figured the warden impacts were there to avoid more schaeffers.
and being a higher tech bluetooth eyepiece
languid walrus
Is the Warden most likely an AI or computer?
placid basin
It’s an organisation
worthy flower
could be both an AI and a person.
placid basin
Definitely not an AI
worthy flower
i think we need more logs that call out the warden in specificity
languid walrus
A person directing orders through an AI?
languid walrus
Is there anything that explains what kind of infection the fog and the spitters give?
Like, if untreated, do people start mutating?
worthy flower
last i checked, the sleepers weren't entirely native
languid walrus
Native as in what?
worthy flower
if i were to guess, the infectious aspect was the primordial origin of the sleepers, the infection fog being the true nature, or part of the primordial and native aspect of the complex.
languid walrus
||Is this a Dark Pictures: House Of Ashes kind of deal where the enemies actually are aliens that came from an asteroid that crashed into Earth?||
worthy flower
we dont know
if i were to guess, at the very minimum, the infection fog is from the impact.
languid walrus
How do you explain the large biomasses on the ceilings in some expeditions?
worthy flower
Daudas doing.
languid walrus
What do you mean by that?
worthy flower
he was the one doing human experiments with the fog in general
perhaps the black goo is what it looks like when the fog loses its airish nature
languid walrus
So he's an antagonist?
worthy flower
like with the addition of hydrocarbons.
i dont like to use the word antagonist
I liken him to someone like, uhh, an incompetent Gordon Freeman, or Otakon (mgs1).
the right person in the wrong place.
now, because of the hydrostasis, he's a shell of who he formerly was.
languid walrus
Are there any audio logs that feature him talking?
worthy flower
the character log in A3. i think he has some in A2, not sure.
i never did the A2 logs in game, so i cant remember.
languid walrus
Are the character voice lines in game kind of broken in terms of lore elements?
worthy flower
as to their nature of personality expressed through their way of speaking?
languid walrus
Like how on Dauda's wiki page, it shows that he has lines for reacting to the other characters' audio logs in A3? But I don't recall ever hearing them when someone did play one of the logs.
worthy flower
it might be datamined content
as there are a lot of unused character voicelines in the files.
its quite probable they recorded them, but never really implemented what they needed for them to react to the voice logs
languid walrus
Is it against the rules to talk about the voicelines?
worthy flower
hell if i know or care.
placid basin
The reaction lines are bugged that’s why it’s not in-game
It’s fine if you wanna talk about it
worthy flower
datamined or not, people regularly disect datamined content in other games as if it were canon.
there are often large portions of games that are still mostly functional but left in, but in a deactivated state, simply because removing it would break functioning content.
languid walrus
Will they fix voicelines in the future?
worthy flower
will they fix anything?
i feel like that's a loaded question.
the only answer anyone could realistically is, eh, maybe.
thats for any game really.
placid basin
I don’t think that’s considered datamining, those voiclines are in the audio logs in your game files. They are just bugged out and didn’t play it at all
Fixing it doesn’t matter tbh. The next rundown will have new lores which is gonna be different audio logs and stuff. All they can do is to prevent the same thing to happen in the next rundown
ripe axle
am I behind on things or is the terminal on the santonian industries website new? cause it has logs to read there
most corrupted but one has some stuff to read
placid basin
They have all the logs from previous rundowns if I remember correctly
And there was a pre R5 log to introduce booster
worthy flower
am I behind on things or is the terminal on the santonian industries website new...
they've been there for quite some time now.
ripe axle
ah ok
placid basin
So keep an eye out on the website
worthy flower
sometimes they'll leak the next rundown date with the remaining decryption time on some of the logs.
astral flax
And there was a pre R5 log to introduce booster
joe baiden
do we know why there is big mother?
like experiment or?
honest merlin
Theory: the NAM-V virus is lethal, but the mutation caused by it only kills the infected. However Dauda did experiments trying to keep the mutated people alive to see what the mutation would lead to, and the result was sleepers. That's why in the log where he seals himself in hydrostasis to escape sleepers he claims, referring to himself: "He dies in his sleep! But not by the hand of the evil he brought upon the world!"
celest pagoda
Theory: the NAM-V virus is lethal, but the mutation caused by it only kills the ...
It should be noted that its possible NAM-V was actively mutating regardless of the Garganta experiments. In the CDC log it was stated 'cellular mutation expected' in regards to the NAM-V cases in Florida
honest merlin
It should be noted that its possible NAM-V was actively mutating regardless of t...
Yes, but I meant that the mutation without Dauda's influence simply killed the infected, but didn't turn them into monsters
honest merlin
so virus?
It wasn't a reply to your question, just about the origin of Sleepers in general
celest pagoda
Yes, but I meant that the mutation without Dauda's influence simply killed the i...
Oh no I get that my man. My point was that Dauda might of been messing with something that was already on the brink of some crazy mutations, and what he and his team did may of pushed NAM-V over that point at a faster rate.
Also, how NAM-V ended up in Dade County Florida, going off our current guess of Gargantas local, is real confusing.
I can only assume that the whistleblower or his fellow escapees made it, in some part, to freedom, and were infected.
OR
Florida is close to our best guess of Gargantas local, and personal infected with NAM-V went to Florida for unknown reasons by aircraft.
honest merlin
Also, how NAM-V ended up in Dade County Florida, going off our current guess of ...
Whatever the case, due to the virus being highly contagious and very fatal, it is possible that the whole world except the prisoners are dead.
Which again, makes me think that The Warden is a failsafe AI that was tasked with finding a cure in Garganta.
High level Santonian and Kovak officials are probably in hydrostasis in this scenario, waiting for The Warden to find the cure.
My top lore related questions I wish to get dev-told answers to:
- Which year the game events are set in?
- What is the population of the world (humans, not sleepers) during the events of the game?
- Is The Warden an AI?
- Are the prisoners we play as clones that have their memories transferred with Cortex Interface in case of dying?
celest pagoda
Also, how NAM-V ended up in Dade County Florida, going off our current guess of ...
Ok, after a little digging I might have the answer.
Garganta personnel were in Dade County Florida because one of the storage hangars is located in or near that area.
Dade County is at the edge of Florida, and is only a ~2 hour flight away from where Garganta is likely located.
We know they were flying in equipment to the facility, but we also know transportation of said equipment from one of the hangars was delayed due to flooding caused by "Hurricane Orwell". Knowing Florida, a Hurricane flooding a hangar located there is easily believable. It's very possible that infected Garganta employees were going back and forth from that hangar to the facility, being the reason for the NAM-V cases in Dade county.
*And of course, a hangar located there would be convientient as hell to get stuff from
dull gust
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worthy flower
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scenic ether
what if gtfo lore is so sparse on purpose?
the devs made it like that so they could steal ideas we come up with
peak frigate
astral flax
no
frail pollen
Damn got us figured out
quick grove
Love the game and the lore behind it but damn am i confused on whats going on
Because youtube videos are so confusing these days man
@frail pollen
Oh god
rich blaze
Theory: the NAM-V virus is lethal, but the mutation caused by it only kills the ...
There is also the parasitic infection and signs of mutation even without the experiments. NAM-V is both Viral and parasitic
quick grove
There is so much juicy lore to dissect here i don't know where to start
gilded vine
from R1
pulsar crater
Chronologically
@gilded vine
I think alot of what chase has set up
paints a clearer picture at times
if you try to go from R1 -> R5 looking at all the logs not when they happened etc
feels like a big jumble.
lilac island
An idea, we are just experiments again and again
lilac island
Random thought there are normal doors security doors bulkhead doors and the warden doors are high security doors
topaz flare
Random thought there are normal doors security doors bulkhead doors and the ward...
and
lilac island
and this proves my point that the warden was a high ranking member of santonian
topaz flare
well its not called warden door
its called apex door
doc confirmed that (dont have his massage) also ya warden is a highranking member
cause he knows whats going on down there
and only highranking or level 4+ (i think i dont remember anything about lore anymore xd) knew about sleepers and the a virus
wanton willow
Are they still mushroom based or was that old lore
astral flax
wait
what does KDS deep stand for?
and why its deep?
so like Kovac Defence Services Deep?
wtf
dim scroll
The whole command you have to input is KDS_DEEP_CRISIS_OVERRIDE iirc
So deep may be related to the crisis rather than the service itself
dim scroll
The whole stuff that happened in the complex ? lol
gilded vine
It's actually KDS Deep 1
it's like a silo for all the KDS operatives
I believe thats the case
from logs I read
honest merlin
Yeah, it was meant as storage for all the HSUs for prisoners / legion soldiers.
lilac island
wait maybye the warden was working on the legion program
solar nova
wait maybye the warden was working on the legion program
It's speculated that the warden is the digital intelligence mentioned in the logs attempting to access KDS deep.
pulsar crater
but why would it attempt to access something it full well couldve had access to through Kovac?
snow yarrow
Rather than accessing it through kovac, I personally prefer a brute force overwrite
Since every time you enter the game, the begining cg shows "Security protocols are overwritten" stuff
lilac island
It's speculated that the warden is the digital intelligence mentioned in the log...
The warden might also be a representative of KDS or an ai that's a representative of KDS and a high ranking member of santonian
At least in gargantua anyway
lilac island
Since every time you enter the game, the begining cg shows "Security protocols a...
And possibly has been denied access to KDS
solar nova
but why would it attempt to access something it full well couldve had access to ...
It's not allowed to. The log in question specifies that the action it requested would have diverted power from everything else, which it wanted but nobody else wanted apparently.
lilac island
The power diversion might have been caused by gargantuas computer
At this point we don't know
solar nova
The power diversion might have been caused by gargantuas computer
Well, it's diverting it to KDS deep, or wants to.
snow yarrow
so what is biocom? I saw someone said biocom is Warden in the previous chat
is there related log or something?
fervent lagoon
Biocom deez nuts
snow yarrow
lol
snow yarrow
https://www.notion.so/Power-Control-System-Alerts-2909f58bdedc4c3a8570f3d6ad3309...
ty
But I don't see much biocom/warden relevance in this log (I mean relevance about biocom=warden )
cuz the wrdn could be anything right..?
devout geyser
well we have no clue if it is the warden, but this is just the log explaining what biocom is
snow yarrow
oh oklol
snow yarrow
btw what is DI entity?
gilded vine
I think we initially thought it meant digital intelligence
gilded vine
ah
fervent lagoon
im looking into it now, its a programming thing
who wouldve guessed
but there is no way that isnt the warden
it looks like its just a way to connect a bunch of classes together easily, so does that mean it has control over the complex?
quick grove
im wondering is there gonna be a dedicated tab where you can read or listen to past lore you have found ?
gilded vine
Probably not, but there is a website where you can access all the lore as if it was in game, and theres also a dedicated website for all the lore categorised chronologically and by content
quick grove
may you send me the link you very much kind sir
lilac island
Imagine r7 stuff before r6 released
Btw can someone post the most up to date timeline of gtfo
harsh saffron
the pinned one by chase should still be perfectly fine tbh
lilac island
Ok
devout geyser
i recently updated some stuff :)
lilac island
fun
astral flax
i recently updated some stuff :)
😭 😭 😉 😉 🍞 🍞
lilac island
wait are they adding bread?
tame goblet
Sick, gotta get me that sour dough
lilac island
what regens 1% health
hardy scaffold
I didn't even realize that you made a timeline, Chase. I also made one a few weeks ago that I've been using to keep things organized. I'll have to compare the two someday to see if I missed an important date/event.
Link to mine: https://www.sutori.com/en/story/gtfo-timeline--nvae3E7n3mFVRFR4or4pyXrq
analog frigate
i have some approximations in terms of the unknown date logs, at least the ones listed in Professor Scaler's timeline:
the email from Dean L. to Andrew C. about the NAM-V virus being called improperly by employees is most likely a couple months past august but not too close to october, since they first need to discover the connection between the suicides and the virus, then for a rumor to start circling around. it seems that it's most likely before october and definitely before december 16th, because most corporations will send such an email to "calm" the situation down. also that email to all SMC employees on the 16th has to be 2053, since they can't exactly send such an email after a year of the virus and most likely sleepers roaming around.
the CDC report talking about the NAM-V virus is most likely early 2053, but i am not completely certain. it is still unknown when the connection between the suicides and the virus were made, at least they were made since the wording within the Dean L. to Andrew C. NAM-V hints at that a connection was most likely made.
the email from Dean L. to all Garganta workers about Project Insight taking over deeper operations is most likely not long after the report on april 7th, 2052, about a large biomass found while mining. they probably would've liked to keep it quiet and secure so no panic about that finding happens.
the email from Dean L. to Andre P. about keeping an eye on someone is most likely mid to late (ish) 2053. i am not completely sure but i'm trying to dictate from the Garganta lockdown procedure.
the email from Ron Sullivan to Dean L. about how subject infected by the NAM-V virus always die and there is no known cure is most likely not too early or late from the CDC report about the virus. i'm not sure how to back that up but it's what makes sense to me.
that's all i can say for now. sorry for the giant text
lilac island
I didn't even realize that you made a timeline, Chase. I also made one a few wee...
you forgot the redirect generators to hsu vault
solar nova
i have some approximations in terms of the unknown date logs, at least the ones ...
March 26th, 2052 is the first log we have that mentions Project Insight, so that's probably a more precise date for around when "Project Insight Update" was sent.
-If we want to speculate, the March 3rd, 2052 log, "Hearsay Installation Schematic," is suspicious. The log between Clinton and Davies suggests that Clinton is, in some fashion, not particularly happy with Project Insight, so perhaps this log is a reactor to them earlier that month, prior to us seeing an explicit mention of them.
-The log from August 17, 2051, "Final depth reached," states that the target depth at the time was actually 1500m, while we know from later logs that they're eventually going over 500m below that depth.
-Deep scan is actually performed after-the-fact, the email being sent on April 7th, 2052 suggesting that they'd already found something by now, likely not detailed in existing logs. This log also explicitly suggests that the "egg" is their new drill target from then on, explaining why they went under 1500m.
Getting more logs after October 7th, 2053 is going to be the most interesting, as everything after the Lockdown Report is when shit is getting interesting.
-"Heading for the Core" is most likely a post-lockdown log, as it implicitly mentions sleepers.
From Analyst Report (December 12th, 2052):
The upward trend began in April 2052, and surged dramatically throughout the year.
This is our best information on the start of NAM-V's spread. Interestingly, Project Insight seems to have come onto the scene prior to NAM-V making its presence known, suggesting that Project Insight was first-and-foremost founded and stationed in Garganta for the purposes of studying anomalous materials, not diseases or creatures
Earliest associated dates:
8/51: 1500m is reached
4/52: Project Insight is mentioned
5/52: "Egg" becomes a drill target
5/52: NAM-V symptoms become statistically significant
12/52: NAM-V symptoms are recognized
10/53: Lockdown
Also, I've somehow only now realized that the "lava tube" comment in the DeepScan log suggests that there are pre-existing tunnels/passageways within the "egg." Perhaps this will be an environment we'll see in-game at extreme depths at some point?
analog frigate
could be. although "lava tube" means it's maybe flowing, so it's just a channel for sleepers to move and stuff
who knows, its v1.0 so
maybe will be more grand
solar nova
could be. although "lava tube" means it's maybe flowing, so it's just a channel ...
My understand of lava tubes is that, while lava forms it, they are typically empty after-the-fact. Essentially, lava tubes are a natural cavern left behind by volcanic activity.
So, the implication is that these are empty caves left behind by ???
the log implying that volcanic activity is unlikely, so they're a bit out of place.
solar nova
who knows, its v1.0 so
They have had a ton of downtime to work on something, level design seems to be pretty fresh on the roadmap, but could also just be back-end changes.
Wouldn't hope for anything that nutty for 1.0, but I wouldn't turn it down.
analog frigate
yeah that would be good
lone cairn
analog frigate
March 26th, 2052 is the first log we have that mentions Project Insight, so that...
also for the "Final Depth Reached" log, it's weird how the continued digging even though no other logs show signs of a reason to do so. the next depth update we get is the "MSL Biomass Composition and Size Report" (not the actual name) which makes it seem like there is something missing
also the digging time doesn't really make sense. they mine 75m a month and if we use the mass log as a timestamp, they should've reached it in about 6-8 months
i imagine the new logs will reveal at least some of the missing period during the discovery of the mass
kovak higher ups would surely talk about this worrying discovery
because we go from virus being around and some suicides but generally fine, to chaos with sleepers dwelling in the lower levels
slim fractal
Sounds like dead space
devout geyser
yeah i’d like to narrow down the dates of the undated logs but i’m just waiting for more lore to come out
analog frigate
yeah, currently i only have approximate assumptions with 1-3 months accuracy
r6 will be exciting for lore
analog frigate
i imagine they will build on, with everything currently established it makes no sense to restart
devout geyser
yeah i mean retell it
analog frigate
ah
devout geyser
i just want to know what happens with schaeffer
analog frigate
yeah, but then how exactly will we know if he got out? maybe a log with fleeing personnel or something?
solar nova
also the digging time doesn't really make sense. they mine 75m a month and if we...
Well, the time between the MSL report/DeepScan and the lockdown report is pretty much exactly 15 months, quite a long time. The time between the breaking ground and final depth logs is roughly 12 months. It took more time to drill under half of the distance. If I had to guess, it has to do with the material down that far being significantly harder to drill through, slowing expansion at that depth down to a crawl. Also, we have to consider that the new target depth is being approached while NAM-V is infecting the work force, which, according to logs, is considerably reducing productivity.
analog frigate
yeah now that i think about it. this "cretasium " is still undefined so things might be slower
also i forgot to take into consideration real world problems like heat, servicing at such a depth and all the suicides and such going on
as well as the sleepers
solar nova
March 20th, 2051 is the "New equipment needed" log I had in mind.
Apparently, they hit something that is slowing their progress by a lot. Presumably better tooth sets on the drills gets them through it, but it wouldn't be far-fetched to assume that progress is much slower at this point, especially when we know that these new tooth sets are also breaking acc. to "Incident Report." I'd assume they're hitting something, probably cretasium, that's making it harder to progress under 2000m
That's not even considering the extra cost of transport down there compounding with everything else.
analog frigate
kovak is big, but the costs of upgrading everything to the point of 75m per month still would be extreme to them
solar nova
Dreyfus, you mean.
analog frigate
ah yes
im sorry im not completely familiar with everything currently
still have reading to do
solar nova
All g
analog frigate
also if the mining speed went from 75m to less than 1m per month, then going from 1500m to 2000m+ would be exponentially harder
solar nova
Presumably it's not that slow, the email is requesting better equipment after all, but it's definitely not 75m a month after that log.
analog frigate
also at the end of the email they Gianna says "Can you speak to Nyxos? See if they have any tooth sets using stronger material?" so it's not far off to assume that what they are using is top of the line
analog frigate
also if the mining speed went from 75m to less than 1m per month, then going fro...
correction* less than 1m per day aka less than 30m a month
solar nova
I agree, they've probably hit peak efficiency after that and can't get much better.
analog frigate
if she isn't sure if there is anything better, then most likely
hardy scaffold
you forgot the redirect generators to hsu vault
Where is that log from? I might not have ever seen it, which I would be surprised if that was the case with how thoroughly I combed through the terminals.
devout geyser
Where is that log from? I might not have ever seen it, which I would be surprise...
it's the only log that's not ingame
it's on the santonian website
ugh i want a lore bot that we can just do /log <name> and itll post a little embed with it
or /tag Project Insight and pop up all the info for it
lilac island
that would be very convenient
finite vine
My understand of lava tubes is that, while lava forms it, they are typically emp...
the mention of lava tubes was probably just used to describe what the passages looked like. also if the new environment in r6 is like an alien nest kinda thing, that would be dope.
frosty tide
I mean the timestamps might be accurate because note that drills dont have unlimited durability and there could be complications that may not have been logged in terminals. (ie unreported inefficiencies and common workplace accidents)
worthy flower
note drill?
slim fractal
thanks
worthy flower
i think whats happening is that whatever cretasium deposit they hit was significantly harder than the cutting edge (hehehe) tools they have at the bottom
frosty tide
also looking for a good team for lore searching when r6 starts up
fervent lagoon
.t lfg 
ruby lakeBOT
Sorry, unable to find a tag named lfg .
fervent lagoon
rip lol
languid walrus
also looking for a good team for lore searching when r6 starts up
Checking every terminal, every nanometer of each expedition?
dreamy basalt
So I don't really know if it's been confirmed or not, but I'd like to ask,
Is the main room in C1 a gardening space? If so, what were they growing?
harsh saffron
So I don't really know if it's been confirmed or not, but I'd like to ask,
Is t...
Don't think we have that much lore about the actual environments at all. Exceptions would be some special rooms like the E1 ending but that's about it.
lilac island
well we can only theorize
languid walrus
I been brainstorming what that place's purpose could be.
What do you think the plants seen in the lab levels are of?
dreamy basalt
What do you think the plants seen in the lab levels are of?
Well, it could be a source of food.
That, or maybe for oxygen.
There's also a possibility it could have connections to what made the Sleepers what they are, but I haven't gotten to that thought yet.
solar nova
What do you think the plants seen in the lab levels are of?
Might be testing them for something, there's a bunch of composition data on different plants, and there are plant samples we're retrieving for some reason (presumably the Warden wants to view them for something?).
dapper pine
Could be the virus's effects on flora and such.
pulsar crater
could also be a complex analysis on plant growth to look at environmental conditions :)
dapper pine
Could see what plant derrivative or something could neturalize it or something of that sort.
astral flax
Corona time
lilac island
would like to know the sleepers location
gilded vine
What lore
gilded vine
Its always that way
normal raft
Is that the new countdown timer 👀
dim scroll
Yo can't wait to play rundown 6 in a hundred years
finite vine
literally all of the rundown 5 logs are corrupted. why.
brisk nexus
because R6 is not out yet lol, the same was with the logs for R4 before the release of R5
dim scroll
dw 1.0 will bring us into a higher plane of existence where corruption doesn't exist anymore
lilac island
i feel like before r6 drops the r5 logs should become available like backup server restored in kds_deep all logs available
smth like that
gilded vine
Rundown logs become available on the day of the new rundown right
lilac island
maybye
solar nova
Rundown logs become available on the day of the new rundown right
That would require they remember to update the website.
Hey, roadmap is active, might be on time.
slate coyote
> FILE IS CORRUPTED. RESTORATION PROCESS FINISHED IN: 36201 days 16 hours
Timer went down: >> FILE IS CORRUPTED. RESTORATION PROCESS FINISHED IN: 7223 days 13 hours
graceful lotus
someone do the math time find out the ratio between gtfo universe time and real time to find out when they're going to be restored
oh wait that means r6 is tomorrow
slate coyote
If i am not completely brain-dead this means arorund 3220 Days/Hour
gilded vine
So 2 days
slate coyote
Made a mistake, didn't consider that the Message was from yesterday. That means its somewhere around 852 Days per hour thus it could be in 8,5 hours done
(edit)
The timestamp on the files are different... since i don't know which file the post of MIT is from the calculations are wrong
graceful lotus
maf id hard
gilded vine
maf id hard
No u
wary portal
Why is the scout invincible when he screams
brisk nexus
Personally, I don't have any new logs anywhere yet
The dates for all r5 logs have shifted
real pewter
achive006
gilded vine
06 is there which is a start
lilac island
corrupted is r7 now?
gilded vine
Not yet
lilac island
sad
gilded vine
Not until r7 drops
brisk nexus
gilded vine
Wait the corrupted files are different now?
gilded vine
I thought that didn't happen till new rundown dropped
pulsar crater
oooh fuck
gilded vine
Calling out america :^)
dense saffron
6 days
gilded vine
ah
dense saffron
I should really put together a bot that auto scrapes these
Since it does get requests to a backend
I can just setup a bot that pulls it like, once an hour
gilded vine
MY EARS fucking hell
dense saffron
M4a moment
gilded vine
US-DOD-RED1.LOG
US - Department of Defence - Red1?
dense saffron
WRDN unlocks next week
pulsar crater
seems like R6 soon
dense saffron
Guessing we're about to see the fall out of the NAM-V leaking and the activation of the warden
gilded vine
Something I never asked but surely been thought about is what do all the letters mean
EBDT shows up a lot
celest pagoda
OK, so I'm damned certain im right about my theory relating to the storage hangars now
Now we KNOW that the virus in Florida is Nam-v and not a red herring
pulsar crater
?? we have known that??
celest pagoda
The symptoms match up
Fraky bone shit going on is exactly what was happening to NAM-V victims in Garganta
pulsar crater
the connection between Nam-V garganta and Florida
has been known
it was theorized people escaped to Florida
brisk nexus
celest pagoda
Well I thought that too
pulsar crater
iirc it was even mentioned
celest pagoda
Yes, the state of Truth guy who tried to escape Garganta (and his palls)
I thought thats how it got to Florida orginally too
dense saffron
EBDT shows up a lot
In universe it's a type of encryption
gilded vine
In universe it's a type of encryption
what about CRP and STAR then
celest pagoda
but if my guess on Garganta local is right, it makes no sense that only Florida is facing an outbreak
hold on a sec
pulsar crater
That is just what we have in lore
The cdc national alert system was in logs
found on chase's website
.
celest pagoda
I know my man, but I think Santonian had a storage hanger near Dade County, wear the first cases of NAM-V showed up
and other logs back it up
pulsar crater
I mean it could be assumed
but like I said in that linked message
dreyfus, kds and sanatonian do not exist just within garganta
they have their hands in the metaphorical cookie jar globally
it couldve been assumed after valencia
celest pagoda
I know, and thats why they'd have storage hangars all around the globe
we KNOW they do cause they had one in Belarus
pulsar crater
KDS also run multiple correctional facilities across the globe, including the US, Russia, Saudi Arabia, and Brazil. Their detention methods are frowned upon by lawmakers in the European Union, but despite the distaste many Brussels politicians have for KDS, they will have a seat at the launch party.
Further proof of multiple operations/operating locations
dense saffron
There's literally an audio log where the state of truth guy is talking to escaped workers who fled to Florida iirc
There were being hunted by a chopper
In dauda's log he says they're all infected and there's no escape
I feel like we can fill in the gaps here
dense saffron
Yes
pulsar crater
so it could be assumed he put himself into hydrostasis there to avoid the situation
Nam-v could be the cause of the mutation however without more lore we can only assume and theorize
dense saffron
Wdym could be
gilded vine
so it could be assumed he put himself into hydrostasis there to avoid the situat...
Don't forget the audio log where you physically hear him lock himself into a hydrostasis unit to avoid the sleepers
pulsar crater
i swear there was no confirmation that Nam-V was the cause
celest pagoda
If the whistleblower DID escape and make it to (presumably) the Mexican/American Border, he would of had to go all that way to reach Florida. And as its likely he was infected as many workers were, he would of spread that ALL over that path. This is where I got stuck until i read into some logs a bit more carefully
dense saffron
There's a log talking about the same effects in relation to nam v
pulsar crater
why wouldnt he go to cancun and catch a ship?
dense saffron
If the whistleblower DID escape and make it to (presumably) the Mexican/American...
I think the complex is located closer to florida
pulsar crater
or a plane
why would he take such a roundabout way?
unless they went and sat on airports and boats
dense saffron
i swear there was no confirmation that Nam-V was the cause
There's a log talking about the effects of nam v
celest pagoda
he got got by the guys, but the Virus reached Florida anyway
pulsar crater
link me pls i must go back to hw
dense saffron
Look on the log site
pulsar crater
would be more likely
celest pagoda
That red point is where Garganta is likely located, and the other point is Dade County
Where the first Nam-v cases cropepd up
A short Flight, supplies n and out fast
celest pagoda
Yes my man, thats where its near
but right here are the exact coordinates of the Merida Sinkhole
the reason SMC wanted in on Merida in the first place
pulsar crater
Theres a bigger chance he had to take a roundabout way to florida though
IF I was KDS and I knew we had escapess and I knew their identities
why wouldnt I go lockdown the airport and sit on it waiting for them?
a flight while the quickest doesnt make sense if you take into account the amount of resources they have
pulsar crater
he infected someone along the way?
and they acted as a transmission source? straight out of plague inc B)
celest pagoda
whoever is in charge of transporting stuff back and forth from Hangars to Garganta DID take that flight path
and they were infected
pulsar crater
depends
if nam-v was such an issue couldnt it be assumed everyone took health precautions especially if youre dealing with deceased infected
dense saffron
They did
The logs tall about how even in full environmental suits the "parasites" the source of nam v, kept finding their ways in
dense saffron
And that the viral content of nam v keeps rising even after parasite removal
celest pagoda
It states transport from one of the Hangars was delayed due to a "Hurricane orwell"
dense saffron
I know way to much GTFO lore
dense saffron
School: 
Gtfo lore: 
pulsar crater
that part
dense saffron
Literally the only reason I play the game is for the lore LMAO
pulsar crater
lore adds an extra level of depth to the game that you cant get through playtime
celest pagoda
It seems to match up perfectly that Nam-V starts on the surface in Dade County. The convivence of a hangar near there is one thing, but one of the hangars being hit with a hurricane is another. Dade County is near the edge of Florida, and Hurricanes probably hit it like tank.
dense saffron
Anyways, back to work
celest pagoda
I think thats how the surface outbreak got started, some transport group uknownlingly infected the whole darn town
fervent lagoon
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Thanks
pulsar crater
ehhh
fervent lagoon
Almost missed it
pulsar crater
depends on the path of the hurricane
as a floridian
it can kind of go multiple ways
a direct hit on dade county is a rare occurrence unless you get weird crosswinds and such
they couldve just been hit by really bad rain bands or outer edges of the hurricane
that really is more likely
most hurricanes either go up the Gulf of Mexico and hit Alabama, Louisiana or completely miss the bottom half of Florida and move up the eastern side and just give us really bad rain/ wind
fervent lagoon
Thats nice
pulsar crater
but it also depends on the enviromental factors such as water temperature
idk how it is in 2050 but if global warmings as bad as it could be for us
within the universe
then hurricanes could be double the strength due to higher recorded water temperatures, warmer climate etc
just depends
source: trust me bro
celest pagoda
Idk man, with how many things are falling into place it cant be a coincidence
pulsar crater
im not saying it is
but from a genuine standpoint hurricanes really say fuck you to dade county and go around it
it really does have alot to do with water currents and winds
devs just need to come tell us if the hurricane was a direct impact or not 😔
now if the NAM-V was found in like Tampa
and then a hurricane hit there
id believe it
celest pagoda
the SOT guy said there he was supposed to head to Tallashasse right?
o h
ok
yea now im a bit confused lol
pulsar crater
i just know too much abt florida
personally
im not downplaying you
i just went off on a stupid tangent
your point about it being in dade county
and a hurricane hitting it confirming
with hurricane orwell
makes sense
celest pagoda
no man you good, goin back n forth is good so we can figure this confusin stuff out
pulsar crater
im just saying
from my personal standpoint
it wouldnt make sense to put a warehouse so close coastally
IF it was you run the risk of a hurricane fucking your supply
celest pagoda
This is now where I am left with questions, how long did it take for Nam-V to spread here?
pulsar crater
well
celest pagoda
IF it was you run the risk of a hurricane fucking your supply
Quick n easy transport
celest pagoda
IF it was you run the risk of a hurricane fucking your supply
but also that yea thats a good point
pulsar crater
travelling from the top of florida to bottom?
celest pagoda
ye
pulsar crater
its like 8 hrs
celest pagoda
oh
pulsar crater
depends on traffic
speeding etc
really is ~9 hrs non stop
if you have a toll card
celest pagoda
Well considering Nam-V was stated as havin an "r naught" of 9, apparently that means its super darn infectious
pulsar crater
you can also catch a flight
pulsar crater
ok not to get political
but if you look at the spread of covid within florida and then think about that in terms of Nam-V which from all accounts is more infectious
celest pagoda
and we know the CDC stepped in a l i t t l e late, because apparently Nam-V cases were diagnoses improperaly as "Hermasky pudlak syndrome"
pulsar crater
just imagine.
celest pagoda
dear god
pulsar crater
it easily could hit critical mass lmao
would be like plague inc but a whole state.
so the spread being 14 cases
is just weird
most likely hiding numbers from public
zzz
finite vine
I bet the wardens objective is to find a cure for NAM-V.
fervent lagoon
do you think the audio log is going to be in R6? I swear i can hear the ambient terminal noise in it
leaden dagger
I bet the wardens objective is to find a cure for NAM-V.
would be interesting, but the complexes were already evacuated or died so a cure wont be very useful, unless its running rampant thru the entire company and any other possible complexes. but an interesting idea
could tie in with some of the DNA samples that are taken and some of the HSU's, could be infected personnel that were trapped with the hope of finding the cure
finite vine
It might be a world wide pandemic
leaden dagger
thats true, it could be
i feel the warden could find much easier accessible ways to find a cure then though
unless it was a constantly evolving pathogen
i feel maybe there was some extremely fucked human experimentation going on in some places which is why we need to retrieve that lost data, maybe
celest pagoda
Just gonna quickly mention this;
Now that we got more proof NAM-V is out on the surface (evidently beginning in Florida) I feel the line "Connecting the virus to our facility could lead to Public Relations disaster, and also casts a pejorative light on Santonian, Project Insight, and Dreyfus Industries.", Means that at the time this log was made, the outbreak had just started recently. (Also, NAM-V is described as "new" at this logs time, and regardless if that's a lie to the public, it could mean the virus is new specifically to the public outside of Garganta.)
Problem is, we dont have a date for this log, and the closest we've got relates to origin of the term "The Garganta Flu" which was coined at sometime before December 12th, 2052.
Because if the outbreak hadn't yet started (or the public hadn't yet known), there would be no reason to prevent anyone connecting NAM-V back to Garganta.
dense saffron
Just gonna quickly mention this;
Now that we got more proof NAM-V is out on the ...
Presumably was sent before the 12th email about nam v, since that email seems to be in direct response to this one
gilded vine
My prediction for the next log to be unlocked: us-dod-red1.log is that it has something to do with the civil war that was mentioned in the character log
Either that or the outbreak mentioned in the audio log has created sleepers and requires intervention from the military
finite vine
wasn't red 1 the name of that mars mission? or am i trippin
gilded vine
I don't remember that much
but
it seems a bit too convenient for US Department of Defence Redcon 1 to fit
probs is that space mission tho
celest pagoda
If this log talks about red-1, I feel like it's going to mention something went horribly wrong on the spacecraft, given what we know about hsus and the effects of being in stasis for long periods of time.
slate coyote
If this log talks about red-1, I feel like it's going to mention something went ...
what do we know about that?
boreal sleet
the Logo during the new leak, have we ever seen something like that ?
dim scroll
i don't think so
But the hexagon shape itself (not the hook) reminds me of something but idk if it's from that game or another one
gilded vine
I think its just a spray
brisk nexus
I think its just a spray
Yeah, it's a painted symbol on top of a normal door, probably a tag for loot related to character customization
the same new gloves as in leek
topaz flare
So no one's going to say it may be Schaefer?!?
harsh saffron
So no one's going to say it may be Schaefer?!?
"It may be Schaefer"
topaz flare
I think it is
Like come'on who else is going to go down there and spray that on a door
harsh saffron
exactly, don't think the warden comes down into the complex to tag random doors ^^
topaz flare
And the tag looks different than any tags we seen
Meaning it could be the resistance logo?
brisk nexus
Like come'on who else is going to go down there and spray that on a door
At least a hundred other prisoners we awakened on r5e1 could have done this
harsh saffron
yeah but they don't set up schaeffer for 2 rundowns, and then let some random guy be our contact
harsh saffron
he was a foreman or something, overseeing the construction/drilling of the complex (if I remember correctly)
heady crescent
leaden dagger
could be painted on from previous prisoners too
or painted before the whole complex fell to shit
frosty tide
The paint job is a little rushed but professional
leaden dagger
yeah
i think one thing that'd make it a bit more clear is whether its an alarm door or not
given the area it was in it doesnt look like it would be?
analog frigate
it could be
analog frigate
we don't see if it is elevated like on b1
leaden dagger
those alarm doors
yeah
if it was an alarm door it would probably be objective based mostly
analog frigate
it most likely isn't drawn by previous prisoners though
frosty tide
Yeag
leaden dagger
true
frosty tide
It also wasnt a part of the original door
leaden dagger
i feel like it might've been from before the complex completely fell
or yeah, could be schaeffer, but im not sold on that
i think R6 would be too early to really throw us into him like that
one thing to note is the fog is relatively dense there
so this is probably not the A1 level
analog frigate
i imagine it is related to state of truth
leaden dagger
was state of truth inside of the complex? i thought they were external
analog frigate
they are but they could've influenced some of the workers inside
leaden dagger
ah okay, that could be true yeah
so maybe it has something to do with evidence they have?
analog frigate
please elaborate
leaden dagger
could be a sector that has evidence that state of truth collected, or propaganda against the media, idk something like that
analog frigate
ah like an internal rebellion?
leaden dagger
leaks that they did
yeah
cause in a place like that, almost bound to be internal rebellion
with Nam-V going around too
trust in the company was probably real low
analog frigate
i don't imagine so, since we would have some more files of worry by anders or davies
but it is possible
leaden dagger
we may not have been shown any of those yet though
analog frigate
could be higher up emails
analog frigate
also by an earlier shot we can theorise more on it
it is most likely a higher security door, so alarm
would explain why it is marked
leaden dagger
wouldnt make sense though bc no other alarm doors have been marked before
its gotta do with whats behind it, rather than its security
analog frigate
yes
leaden dagger
but yeah, judging by the area it probably is alarm
analog frigate
that's what i meant by higher security
leaden dagger
not much stuff on the walls or ceiling here though
leaden dagger
must be an earlier level?
analog frigate
the fog isn't toxic in any way since the camera would wobble a bit
leaden dagger
thats true
analog frigate
some parts of maybe B
leaden dagger
its design does look similar to some B levels of R5
analog frigate
in C the fog is still not toxic but is thicker so that eliminates it
leaden dagger
yeah, thats what im thinking
ima do some editing to the photo to see if it reveals anything
analog frigate
maybe if the contrast is put to max for the entire video it would reveal something more
i will try and make it a gif that i can send
leaden dagger
nothing is really revealed
maybe a wall to his right
a little light fixture in the top right kinda reveals?
burnt light
Usually zones around 70 are tier A ext/over or B high by R4 and R5 logic. There are a couple of exceptions so that might be wrong.
frosty tide
yeah
analog frigate
good reasoning
it appears there are more stuff when you increase the brightness a lot
i will send it in a moment
leaden dagger
sounds good
leaden dagger
75 B?
leaden dagger
yeah i see it
leaden dagger
thats true
analog frigate
analog frigate
true
the same line appears on both markings
so it is not just the environment
here it is as clear as i can get it
burnt light
It's probably the Santonian logo and name. They put it in every sign.
analog frigate
it might be an exclamation point
analog frigate
It's probably the Santonian logo and name. They put it in every sign.
this one looks like a straight line
leaden dagger
yeah
burnt light
analog frigate
ah
analog frigate
yeah that is probably it
leaden dagger
makes sense why it looks like a line
ok nice
wonder if theres anything on https://santonianindustries.com
that looks like the door marker?
analog frigate
there are no santonian markings on any of the doors
at least the security ones
apex doors also bear no marking
but the font is alike
it could be made by someone else and designed on by santonian
judging from the seemingly made by them normal doors, they could be the ones that make security doors as well
leaden dagger
yeah true
analog frigate
apex doors also have the style that santonian uses
sadly there is no way to prove that they make anything like that without some logs
a clearer picture
leaden dagger
kinda looks like a scope reticle
analog frigate
a broken one
analog frigate
are reactor rooms octagonal?
leaden dagger
somewhat yeah
analog frigate
let's see
no
they aren't
is there even anything except some scope reticle that is octagonal?
leaden dagger
but it does look a little similar
because
recall the flooring style inside the room
its a circle in the center
analog frigate
oh yeah
leaden dagger
with edged ramps
not exactly like that painting but similar
and there have been different reactor room layouts before so
not entirely ruled out?
leaden dagger
although in a way it does appear to be painted from a stencil
with such straight lines
leaden dagger
wonder if that symbol has shown up on any monitor screens before?
analog frigate
probably
if we knew the depth that this is then we could confidently say that it is the hearsay system
leaden dagger
yeah true
analog frigate
they worked on lower levels like 1.5km
leaden dagger
no it was like an AI thing im pretty sure
wasnt that talked about in an audio log from R4 or R5?
finite vine
yea it was from r4. when the audio log was over the therapist said "hearsay off"
leaden dagger
yuh
finite vine
like she was talking to the recording software or something. i think it is also used to monitor things.
leaden dagger
similar to the prisoners states shown after a run too maybe?
analog frigate
then what was the crew sent out to clear the lower levels of the facility?
they were kovac security but i remember there being some name
leaden dagger
heres the audio log
for it to be the terminal recording, thered have to have been a terminal in the room
which would be kinda weird?
but the reverb is pretty big in the file
so i guess that could make sense
analog frigate
the room walls are made of ceramic with cement behind them or steel
leaden dagger
maybe that was the wrong file
analog frigate
the room sounds about 10m x 10m in size
finite vine
if there was not a terminal in the room then what was recording them? there would have to be a terminal in the room
leaden dagger
microphones...?
security system
anything really
a laptop
could be anything besides a terminal itself
the terminals are just connected to the servers
finite vine
whatever it was recorded on, it probably used the hearsay system.
analog frigate
there is no proof of any data carrying objects besides the terminals though
leaden dagger
it could all be one huge net, which makes sense since they were making huge data servers
petabytes big
leaden dagger
there is no proof of any data carrying objects besides the terminals though
but the logs that are on them
they dont correspond to the location
analog frigate
but then it's odd how we have not seen a laptop or anything else anywhere that would make sense
leaden dagger
couldve been taken with them
solar nova
there is no proof of any data carrying objects besides the terminals though
Depend on if Hearsay is on terminals or just something rigged everywhere.
finite vine
just from a design perspective, it makes sense for a company to have a universal computer/ terminal system connected to a net.
leaden dagger
the terminals are clearly mounted in the ground
leaden dagger
just from a design perspective, it makes sense for a company to have a universal...
facts. especially in 2050+
analog frigate
Depend on if Hearsay is on terminals or just something rigged everywhere.
hearsay is most likely connected to their servers
this is a corporation we are talking about
every worker's device is to be monitored
leaden dagger
a megacorporation* no less
unlimited power in a sense
with how connected the whole complex is
with governments, corporations, etc
analog frigate
they would have a server connection from every device
which would mean the hearsay system is installed on everything
leaden dagger
with data leaks bound to happen too
yeah
organization controlled too probably, to find out who knows too much too
burnt light
There was a log, a mail from Clinton to Artus that said "Please ensure that there is enough room in the communication conduits on each level to install the necessary cables for this system" talking about the Hearsay, so whatever exactly is and wherever is connected to, is pretty much everywhere
leaden dagger
good find good find
analog frigate
by communication conduits they most likely mean terminals
but then they need to connect them to the servers
which are most likely external to gargantua
since we never see them or get logs about their power usage
which would definitely overload the system
leaden dagger
that's true
leaden dagger
by communication conduits they most likely mean terminals
it could be anything though really
analog frigate
actually it could be wireless or wired connections to the servers
solar nova
by communication conduits they most likely mean terminals
I don't think this assumption is fair?
analog frigate
yeah i realised it most likely would be a middle point from a device to the servers
leaden dagger
yuh yuh
analog frigate
i've been thinking about what the symbol means
the motivations of it being made aren't a lot
no one that isn't trying to go against santonian and kovac would vandalise doors
leaden dagger
facts
analog frigate
the possibilities are: schaeffer doing stuff or people following him, or followers of state of truth
general unrest from the virus and suicides and sleepers don't seem to be enough for people to rebel
pastel knot
was about to ping mods 😔
burnt light
About the symbol, it might not be like someone's symbol. It's drawn on a door, not on a random wall, so it's probably saying something about the zone behind it. Got me thinking what kind of symbols need to be drawn on doors. And since we don't know if that drawing is unique, there are others in different places or is just one of many symbols, I have a couple of ideas.
In cases of disasters or outbreaks, searching teams use symbols to warn others about some area or building. Those are usually an X and some info about dates, survivors and such. And then some variants with circles or squares.
And then there was the Underground Railroad, that network helping slaves a couple centuries back. For what I know, they used different symbols to indicate if places were safe, where to go and similar.
So, even tho I don't think there is like a prisoner organisation within the Complex led by Schaeffer, maybe some living people might want us to know if there's something valuable behind that door, if there is a higher concentration of toxic fog in the area, or even if there is the exit.
finite vine
by communication conduits they most likely mean terminals
a “conduit” is an engineering term for basically a pipe that holds or protects wiring. so the communication conduits he was talking about are just giant pipes that hold wires and cables.
finite vine
i've been thinking about what the symbol means
if the symbol is linked to character customization, then it probably just does not have any lore related to it... it might just be there to inform people that there is an piece of clothing/ etc behind the door. if that is true, idk if that was the best way to do it imho.
leaden dagger
good points
gilded vine
Friendly reminder that the next pre-R6 Log drops in 2h and 12m
leaden dagger
can u share it here when it drops?
gilded vine
Will do
solar nova
EBDT shows up a lot
EBDT are referred to as "fragments" most of the time. If I had to guess, it's likely some sort of compression algorithm or an encryption algorithm, and EBDT either refers to the algorithm or is some sort of file extension (akin to .zip).
This might be it: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/typography/opentype/spec/ebdt
gilded vine
I c
solar nova
Hmmm, this might not be right, apparently bitmaps are image-related.
EBET (twice) and EBST (once) are also used. Fragments are not mentioned, but the "Re: Final Depth Reached" logs use EBDT w/out mentioning fragments either.
gilded vine
Maybe come R6 we might see some more information about what it actually means
solar nova
I'm thinking a bit about the nebulous energy bean mentioned in the pre-game biocom/Schaeffer logs, and I'm wondering if this energy beam thing that potentially drilled all of the rundown holes is something similar to what shooters are firing off, just in a far less extreme form.
gilded vine
It's possible
and maybe the blue light of scout screams is a different form of that energy
solar nova
Could be, haven't really thought of the scout scream as anything besides a loud noise, but it probably is some sort of special signal that's drawing some dark pigmented sleepers into the area from very far away.
gilded vine
It's probably a low energy form of light, like a microwave
Whilst shooter projectiles are more massive
solar nova
They're definitely stretching naturalistic explanations w/ shooter projectiles and shadows.
solar nova
So it is a digital intelligence.
gilded vine
Thats been confirmed now
Kovak is receiving money from multiple international organisations
@leaden dagger Lore here
manic shuttle
so whats the discovery?
gilded vine
First of all we have a date
July 3rd, 2047
Idk much about the timeline to see how beneficial that is
solar nova
I'll check
cursive moss
Isn't this the first log dated in 2047?
gilded vine
Secondly, we knew Kovak was shady and that people didn't like them that much, but this shows the sheer scale of the KDS company
solar nova
Big blank are between some news articles and Woods's shooting. Most noteworthy event is the Merida quake on March 1st, 2049.
gilded vine
It also shows that all KSOs are part of legion?
solar nova
solar nova
It also shows that all KSOs are part of legion?
Apparently. None of them are there voluntarily, it seems, so KSO never refers to an officer or actual staff.
gilded vine
The Warden has been in operation since at least 2045
solar nova
It's in this time frame, more specifically.
solar nova
superman superbug
Just a media article.
solar nova
April 11, 2041 is when Kovac gets hydrostasis, so we know Legion comes about sometime afterwards.
gilded vine
What I don't understand in the more meta part of this is why logs are being released at seemingly random intervals