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devout geyser
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wow this is crazy

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this is 2 days after the AUTOGEN log

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sleepers existed in the complex at this time

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and we can put an end to "maybe schaeffer just calls them snatchers"

hot burrow
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I see sleepers in there

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KSOS

devout geyser
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kovak security officers

hot burrow
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Ok

devout geyser
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the ones that were being trained or "coded" from the sigma/tau gens

hot burrow
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I hope we some more logs talking about sleepers

devout geyser
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assuming they were caused by the garganta flu or nam-v virus, they must have been discovered somewhere between december 16 2052 and october 7 2053

hot burrow
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I’m picturing a lot of text logs talking about strange looking humans and audio logs of staff being attack by them

worthy flower
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so i guess this was where he pissed off that dude who erased him.

finite vine
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shafe is bishop?

graceful frost
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I like this theory that bishop is just Schaeffer putting on a British accent. Then we can reasonably conclude that Britain does not exist.

slim fractal
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sheffy hitting a stogie?

lilac island
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But what's strange is : "They sent a probe in to inspect the chamber" Could it be were are coming different sleepers than those who Kovac is already fighting ? Because the way it's said, it seems to me that KSO were constantly fighting against them

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this passage seems the refer to the pits across the complex, maybe the one we were talking about tomorrow ?

"I don’t know what it was though. Some kind of energy blast that fucked up anything in its path and left behind these molten passages. Like shit isn’t mad enough already on this job, now we got laser beams shooting at us."

slim fractal
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could be in the past and we might be a few months or years since then

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molten passages im assuming are the drop shafts

lilac island
slim fractal
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idk, doesnt take long for metal too cool down

burnt light
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So, is this Art Chaperon a new character, or he's Artus Charapon but they wrote the name wrong?

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Also, thank you very much @devout geyser good sir for the timeline

harsh saffron
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he has the same id and "art" is probably just what schaeffer calls him

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nvm Schaeffer calls him "Artus"
he just signed his own email with "Art"

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im dumb ^^

ocean spindle
# slim fractal idk, doesnt take long for metal too cool down

It depends. If it’s well insulated the rate of heat transfer will be slow, also if deep levels of the complex are also emitting heat which is rising this will slow cooling. Primary methods of cooling will be convection and conduction.

For example I work in the metals casting industry and our sand molds for 35,000 pound parts take 3-4 days to cool down to ambient.

I could see it taking a few weeks but I doubt a year or even multiple months. Though it would take an actual analysis and data on how large the complex is. Obviously the larger it is the more convection can carry the heat to other areas and conduct it out through the rock

The earth is a rather large and constant temp heat sync, despite rock being a generally poor conductor.

slim fractal
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yea thats what i meant

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that it wouldnt take that long

lilac island
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And now we have the first letter of Schaeffer First name : J

harsh saffron
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I think hes the one writing the email before the 2 "biocom" reports, his Id is C067.
according to that, his name would be "John Schaeffer"

hot burrow
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New audio log leak

dawn sedge
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oooo where

hot burrow
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ludvig leaks

dawn sedge
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oh bruh im an idiot

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lmao thanks

hot burrow
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Looks like we might get an R5 extension

frail jay
hot burrow
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😢

orchid hemlock
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The lore grows deeper

manic shuttle
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Lmao extension good joke

brave thunder
manic shuttle
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Straight clowning

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See you next month boyz

frail jay
orchid hemlock
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This will lore the lore

brave thunder
manic shuttle
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S O C I E T Y

frail jay
manic shuttle
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squint's eyes

10 CC

brave thunder
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well, at least this time before the break, they did not post a coffee machine

manic shuttle
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LMAO

regal pagoda
brave thunder
# regal pagoda Pretty much the same thing

I have to disagree. At the time when they posted the coffee machine there was almost three months without any news at all, but now ... Wait a minute... Its been two months without news, oh...

regal pagoda
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Yeah they're pretty much just fuelling the R5ext hype to keep ppl on the game right now

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even tho theres wont be an ext

lilac island
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And about the actual log ? Because it's the topic in this channel, its Bishop waking up by someone (The same person from the previous log ?) from probably hydrostasis ? And she order someone to inject him a syring ( N33S ? Didn't understand clearly)

junior kite
cobalt jewel
junior kite
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i know it exists... i wanted to know who he meant by this "The same person from the previous log ?"

lilac island
junior kite
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Jordy?

lilac island
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It's her ?

frail jay
junior kite
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I don't think it's her in this new audio log

frail jay
hot burrow
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I hear it

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She sounds the same in both

junior kite
lilac island
junior kite
lilac island
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The Doctor name during this interview is not said

frail jay
burnt light
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Jordy was the man talking in the log from R4A1, I don't remember if the doctor was named

hot burrow
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she was not named

frail jay
lilac island
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But in this cas, Why did he said during the log of R4D2 that he was send by the Warden ?

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If he's not Crazy, is it possible to think that the Warden is Someone or something that he know ?

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Maybe Davies or Clinton ?

lilac island
junior kite
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or what if he was a kovac security officer? (just a thought)

lilac island
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Anders Johanson for exemple

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Do we know for who exactly is working Dean Lockwood ? For KDS directly ?

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In fact, something else just hit me

burnt light
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Since those mails about Bishop from Lockwood and Davies were from 2027-28, and they used the SMC mail server, he probably works for Santonian.

devout geyser
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we already know he works for santonian cause he is the author of the santonian website

lilac island
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"What if I- Listen... I was in a group, there were four of us" Schaffer said that during the log of R4D2, but are we sure that he's talking about a team like us ? A team of four prisonner send into the complex ? The fact is, during another log it's said : "It is recommended that we move from a 3-shift workforce to a 4-shift workforce. " and what if Schaeffer was with his team during the big lockdown ? And he was never send by the warden and he is here from the beginning ?

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I began to find his role paradoxical, and the possibility that he had some responsibility in the construction of the mine and Garganta and being send by the warden at the same time

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But we miss "one" piece, he is always refering to the Warden ? But what is a Warden ? If we interpret it has a Warden of a prison, and by refering to what Jordie from R4A1 log's is saying about what is Garganta, a prison, could it be possible that the Warden is the big head behind Garganta ? Mr Davies ?

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(Schaffer is the only one using the name "Warden" right ?)

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I miss the Lore about the Warden, the sure information we have about him

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(Yeah, I know I'm going too far and extrapolating a lot)

hot burrow
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In the 2017 trailer woods mentions the warden

lilac island
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But are those trailers canon ?

harsh saffron
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I mean the name has to be kinda official since the objective texts in game start with "//:DECODED WARDEN TRANSMISSION"
So I guess its not just a nickname given to the boss of Garganta by the prisoners

lilac island
lilac island
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Since some of the prisonners might know him ?

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Like the "Shadow broker" From mass effect ? (Pls don't hit me if it's not the english name, I don't know it)

harsh saffron
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all logs so far are from the time before the evacuation, so maybe hes also just someone/something that took control after the facility was abandoned
But yeah probably also pretty neat for covering your identity

lilac island
harsh saffron
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good point

lilac island
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And what damn mean D-Lock Block Cipher ?

harsh saffron
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just the encryption for the emails, nothing special ^^ (I think)

lilac island
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I hope >_>

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And how many person has a Tier 5 authorisation ?

devout geyser
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4 that we know of

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!wiki Characters

amber nimbusBOT
harsh saffron
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So far we had 4 ppl with an A-Level id:
Janson Davies A001
Dean Lockwood A047
Andre Piros A134
Angela Carneige A106
Don't think anybody outside of those got tier 5 as an exception ^^

burnt light
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Wait, my last message was deleted?

lilac island
harsh saffron
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yeah, I could see it for a second

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thought you deleted it instantly

lilac island
devout geyser
lilac island
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Sender:   Ellis Carnegie 
Receiver: Angela Klein A106 
Date:     June 8th 2052
Subject:  Behavioral anomalies among Sigma gen```
harsh saffron
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yup, that one

shut mountain
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Yep crosslink deleted it accidentally because of a bad coma

burnt light
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Oh well

shut mountain
# burnt light Wait, my last message was deleted?

In the last log, Schaeffer says "I thought the walls were going to collapse and we’d all be drowned then I remembered I built them", so he seems like one of the workers in the mine.
At some point before the 13th of Oct, he kinda hacked into the hearsay system to listen to what was happening with the Insight team before the big explosion.
Maybe they caught him and was put in one of the 4-man teams we know.

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Here u go

burnt light
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Thanks Hackett_Heart

shut mountain
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Anytime! Do let the mods know if a message was deleted by crosslink, i know bad comas can cause it to think its a website link sometimes

lilac island
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So, there is alittle mistake in the wiki, and it may lead to some confusion since Ellis carnegie and Angela Clein are not the same people

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And about the fact Schaffer is a worker, yes and no

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He seems to not be just a little worker, but someone higher, because of his authorisation tier, and also can be understand thanks to this log :

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From:        John SÃIøùñ&5o C067
To:        Andrew Clinton B035
Date:        August 17th 2051
Subject:    Final depth reached
 
Mr. Clinton,
 
We hit the main shaft target depth of 1500 meters at 03:30am. I called but your assistant said you were not available.
 
We’re in the process of dismantling the vertical mole and lateral drilling will resume on the 20th once environment filtering has completed. We’ll be using the Nyxos pulverizer tooth sets for all of the new laterals, and can work 12 excavations at a time. We expect to make rapid progress on the levels between 800 and 1500m in the next few months. Work on the lower floors will be slower according to Geo, but I’ll keep you in the loop. Once Geo comes back with new data, we’ll go back to the main shaft and should be able to run both the lateral and vertical excavations at the same time.
 
Thank you for the security bump. It’s so much easier to speak directly to Amara and the Nyxos team. I will be informing them when each lateral is completed so they can start building out the interiors as they did in the upper floors. I have been informed that Cntrl have T2 clearance, so I’ll keep them in the loop as they expand the grid.
 
Once we’ve vented and cleared each floor, all mining personnel will be housed underground, which will reduce traffic in and out of Garganta as requested.
 
Can I get confirmation on tour length for the mining teams? A few of them are a little nervous about being in the hole for too long, and there are rumors spreading that it’s a six month tour minimum. I’d like to squash these rumors as soon as possible. Or confirm them. I just need to know.
 
John
harsh saffron
lilac island
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How do we know that Dean Lockwood is A074 ?

harsh saffron
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alias:int_server.1024_ciph.A074.tier5.a_clinton.flagged
thats the beginning of an email send by lockwood

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and in this case the "A074" is the id of the sender, since andrews ID is B035

lilac island
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Oh, I understand now

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But what about

alias:int_server.1024_ciph.tier5.exec_branch/APirosA134.flagged

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The structure is different, and the Log with it is quite strange

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Because It begin with the name, and end by the same name

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Mr. Girauld#(*&&(*cdvw

$@s7re[]_93f###fortunately_,_there_is_no_sign_of_contin$r$yu**[[9)
report_as_follows:

I have authorized several new PRDM booster mods to be given MUTED
classification. This brings the total numbe$ppw%]]_. These have proven
themselves to offer substantial benefits to the operatives with no
known costs. I’ve marked 6 Genesis operatives as test #%$^ so we can
study any long term usage issues, the rest will be sent to the field
as instructed. Therev^rw_$$[...but I can approve muted boosters for 
field use.

With regards to the prototypes, the attached document lists every mod
classified as Schedule X (which we are labelling as BOLD for
administration purposes). These do offer increased performance over
muted, but I cannot vouch for_93f#*&7re[ unreliable and won't activate
unless the conditions are just right. They should be fine if you have
a specific need, but understand that the operative will need to keep
in mind the requirements needed for the serum to take effect. Work
continues.

There is also a growing list of AGGRESSIVE boosters 
(rejecte*J($#J(*&FD We really have no use for these as they are not 
cost efficient. While the performance benefits are extraordinary, they 
are ultimately dangerous and frankly, toxic. I have sent a batch to 
Gar*&)(^huijhi&^R&^tbut I must reiterate that I do not approve of 
their use. I cannot be held responsible for the results.

It@#$ppI_rqw@@mm]]important that we dispose of the serum used in any 
aggressive booster mod as there may already be an underground market 
develo9942())*hw^%$&recreational_use. I hav$&fgr4%*the term “aggros” 
is already being used. They can be traced back to us, so please be 
extremely careful with them.

Sebastien Girauld, Operative_Scie*&#@_Dire%^&

[Corrupt blocks detected. Check physical drive]
harsh saffron
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yeah, im kinda annoyed but that, we have 4 versions of this header and for some of them, the id and/or name is from the sender OR the reciever

lilac island
harsh saffron
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I think in that mail hes asking sebastien for a continuation of an report he send him before
and then below is the actual report, ending with sebastiens name

lilac island
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You're Probably right, I struggled a bit to understand it (I've spend the last couple of day inside the Lore, (pls send help T_T))

harsh saffron
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Mr. Girauld, Unfortunately, there is no sign of continuation of the report as follows:
Doesn't sound right but I think its something like that ^^

lilac island
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And at a moment, Schaeffer talk about cntrl (Control ?) Do we have any clue about what it is ?

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And also, Who is Kishen ? (From the charcter list in the wiki)

harsh saffron
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CNTRL is one of the smaller companies, they produced most computer-related stuff; like the terminals and the hacking tool

lilac island
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Why did I forget that ? '^' blblblblblbl

burnt light
lilac island
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Why did they supposed that ?

burnt light
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Because it sounded like Jordy said "Kishen" or something, as if he was calling her, but actually he didn't.

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It was almost like a year ago, I don't really remember.

lilac island
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Sender:     Anders Johanson (A029)
Receiver:   Harriet Lorde (B273)
Date:        September 5th 2051
Subject:    Excavation confirmation
 
Ms. Lorde,
 
I have been informed by Mr. Clinton that I should speak to you regarding the schedule for 
KDS Deep. As it stands, work is not due to start until March. The assignment was approved 
on the 6th October last year, and the main shaft is deep enough for the laterals we have r
equested, so what is the delay in getting the excavation started? Our temporary hangars ar
e just that – temporary. BIOCOM and our other equipment is sensitive to both temperature a
nd pressure. They require the correct environmental conditions to function at maximum effi
ciency. The hangars do not offer that environment, nor do they offer enough space for our 
needs.
 
We too have a schedule to keep, and we need to be moving into our new residence by the end
 of 2052. Work needs to start on the assignment immediately.
 
I am confident this misunderstanding will be rectified, so I will arrange the move into ou
r permanent residence for January 1st, 2053.
 
If you have further questions, please speak to my associate Mr. Piros (A134).
 
Anders Johanson```
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So Johanson as also a Tier 5 Authorisation

harsh saffron
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and another one

alias:int_server.1024_ciph.tier5.kds_ops/HLordeB273.flagged

Harriet,
That’s a BIOCOM access key. BIOCOM is a self-governing DI entity. I don’t run it. No one “runs” it. If it needs more power, it tries to get it. Other than that I have no idea why it made this request. If you have any more questions, run them by a flagged supervisor first. I’m busy keeping you alive.
Andre
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D-Lock Block Cipher
alias:int_server.1024_ciph.tier5.kds_ops/APirosA134.flagged

Mr. Piros,
I have been alerted to multiple attempts to access Garganta’s power control system.
This system is, as far as I know, entirely off-limits to KDS and yet, as you can see below – you are attempting to reroute power to unit B-7 (that’s KDS Deep) for some reason. Had the system approved the request, the grid would have overloaded and almost every subsystem in the entire facility would have shut down.
Care to explain?

PCS alert: *unauthorized access logged*
Date: 04/05/2054
AccessID#: 29$525GVTHR2%456FS
WRDN: override
Request received:
generator_A-01, redirect(HSU vault)
generator_A-03, redirect(HSU vault)
generator_A-05, redirect(HSU vault)
generator_A-07, redirect(HSU vault)
Request denied. Limits exceeded. PID override false.
Request received:
generator_A-01, redirect(HSU vault)
generator_A-03, redirect(HSU vault)
generator_A-05, redirect(HSU vault)
generator_A-07, redirect(HSU vault
Request denied. Limits exceeded. PID override false.
Request received:
generator_A-01, redirect(HSU vault)
generator_A-03, redirect(HSU vault)
generator_A-05, redirect(HSU vault)
generator_A-07, redirect(HSU vault
Request denied. Limits exceeded. PID override false.
Port closed.
Please contact a CPDS administrator.
gilded vine
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We finally have a terminal 1100m deep

lilac island
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Wow, Biocom is a kind of AI ?

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holy shit those mf new audio logs

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boooooy howdy is dauda's log interesting

topaz flare
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poor bishop

lilac island
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it would seem that dauda was caught on the tail end of the evacuation and couldn't make it, or whatever evacuation protocol was hastily put into place didn't happen fast enough, or excluded him on purpose, leaving him no choice but to put himself into hydrostasis as a means to avoid death from the sleepers as they tore the place apart

carmine tendon
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More logs on A3

rich blaze
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R5A3 Log

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This is actualy huge

lilac island
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531008 in the file name

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not file name

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the timestamp

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this mention of temperatures being as high as they are is a direct parallel to that of auto_gen_status.log, which is 3 days after that email on 53/10/11

carmine tendon
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The audio log..

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God...

lilac island
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and, also importantly, that log directly mentions the evacuation protocols sent out literally the day prior iirc

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those evac protocols are found scattered on environmental terminals and are randomized, but if i recall correctly are dated to 53/10/07, 4 days before the bio tracker logs that also show up on randomized environmental terminals and the auto-generated server room status log that had emergency distribution to all connected nodes on the intranet

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aaaaand importantly again

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it mentions schaeffer in that log too, as it's directed to him

rich blaze
lilac island
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meta3.date_stamp(531008)

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53/10/08

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october 8th, 2053

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this is definitely not a random number

rich blaze
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Yeah, the rest is formated like postgresql timestamps weirdly

lilac island
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yeah the other half of that, i dunno

rich blaze
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actually nvm

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could be 09:24:19

lilac island
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actually yeah, that makes sense

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i almost was gonna suggest it was the time of day as measured in something like milliseconds or something

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the C067 in there is the label of how far someone is up on the totem pole of clearance, do we have any other characters who have this show up as theirs, like say andrew clinton?

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wait, no, clinton's is B035

rich blaze
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Davies is A001

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lemme check

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Artus(The one writing the message) is D017 (at least at the time of Hearsay creation)

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Boris Stanovich C066

lilac island
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oh shit yeah you're right, the one sending the message is the one who clinton sent to set up the hearsay system

rich blaze
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Amara Gabris N002

lilac island
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N class is separate

rich blaze
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Angela Klein A106

lilac island
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N class is exclusive to employees of nyxos iirc

rich blaze
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So if we're going on the totem pole of responsabilities

lilac island
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actually, c067 must be schaeffer

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if we already know that artus is D017, then it mentioning C067 and schaeffer, that must be his clearance level

rich blaze
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Clearance level is after the "rank"

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J.Scaheffer is Clearance 4

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which is enough for Hearsay blueprints

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and Artus is Clearance 2, as evidenced by

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The Hearsay schematic and attached papers are for tier 4 clearance only. This is 2 tiers above your current clearance level, so I expect you to handle this with the utmost caution and discretion.

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We need other logs

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and I can't go down (yet)

lilac island
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bishop's audio log in A3 mentions the N33S_endocrine-stimulator

rich blaze
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There's something like it

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Found something on a patent

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Full-length light chain amino acid sequences of the endocrine

        DIVMTQSPLSLPVTPGEPASIS
    CRSSQSLLRSSGYNYLDWYL
    QKPGQSPQLLIYLGSNRASGV
    PDRFSGSGSGTDFTLKISRAEA
    EDVGVYYCMQQQEAPLTFGG
    GTKVEIKRTVAAPSVFIFPPSD
    EQLKSGTASVVCLLNNFYPRE
    AKVQWKVDNALQSGNSQES
    VTEQDSKDSTYSLSSTLTLSK
    ADYEKHKVYACEVTHQGLSS
    PVTKSFNRGEC```
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It is used to creates antibodies against Sortilin

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What is Sortilin you may ask

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@lilac island tagging you here cookieblob

lilac island
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interesting information, and i wonder if that does play a role in some way, but it seems like its just used in the log to make bishop alert and sorta "wake him up" like a bucket of cold water to the face 😔

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good find on info for it though, i never was able to before, should keep it on hand in case it comes into play more later

rich blaze
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I don't have the log on hand to help you out with that one

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so I just happened to search whatever fitted the bill here

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Sortilin also has ties to neural systems

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so you know, might be

snow yarrow
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anybody know what's the ||KDS DEEP||&||"Synchronously awaken all available KSOs in KDS Deep 1"||mean in ||E1||?

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like who or what is || KSOs||

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is the Kovak Security Officers?

rich blaze
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can you please post the logs? 🥺

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Cause I can't play atm but with context I might help

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<@&408548765599793173>

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Wow that was fast thanks

slim fractal
heady mortar
rich blaze
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List of current Employees with (ID?)/Accreditation Level that we know of :
Janson Davies A001 - Class 5
Anders Johanson A029 - Class 5 (Probably KDS ops too)
Dean Lockwood A074 - Class 5
Angela Klein A106
Andre Piros A134 - Class 5 Exec Branch
Andrew Clinton B035 (Multiple mentions)
Harriet Lorde B273 - Class 5 KDS ops
|| John "Shafe" Schaeffer|| C067 - Class 4
Boris Stanovich C066
Artus Charapon D017 - Class 2
Gianna Hilton D043
Jordy E257
Gus Addisson E431
Amara Gabris N002 (Nyxos?)

lilac island
rich blaze
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Apparently

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He signs it that way in R3 message

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On the other side we have :

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Three instances where Clinton uses it

lilac island
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It's strange that they have the same one

rich blaze
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I thought so too, so I added the one on Johanson cause he's the one that could be dropped since he's the first tag to be mentioned

burnt light
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The characters wiki page seems to be outdated. Yesterday log in the Santonian website said Anders Johanson (A029)
Maybe the R3 log where Anders' id is B035 was a mistake, or means something else in that case, or was a previous idea that was later scrapped

devout geyser
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andrew clinton is b035

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anders johanson is a029 as seen in the santonian log

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so im guessing the devs may have gotten it mixed up

rich blaze
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Yeah I'll modify, I also added Harriet Lorde

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This should be it, feel free to tell me if we need to update it cause I only got one A3 log and none of those below

rich blaze
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but yeah, it crosses with what the people said, since Shafe is Class 4 Clearance and C-Level, he's definitely not some random, heck even Artus who's Class 2 and D level seems to be running teams

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Also, Kovacs going in defense against the sleepers, that's a new thing

rich blaze
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C3 Log

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2nd R5C3 Log Part 1 :

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2nd R5C3 P2

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3rd log R5C3

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Yet another R5C3 log, for those who might be sensible to this TW : Written description of Suicide

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lilac island
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rest in fucking peace jordy

dreamy hornet
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I think that may be the most f'd up log so far unless I've missed something worse

rich blaze
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This is beyond messed up yeah

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I'm on and off Kenny and URa's stream so I muight have missed more logs

feral meadow
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my boy jordy

pulsar crater
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rip jordy

slim fractal
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why would he do such a thing pepeHands1

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was that woods?

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i thought he did religious killings

dreamy hornet
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That is also fucked up but there's something about someone saluting then walking into a meat grinder that is extra disturbing

pulsar crater
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its like a "ive done my duties, now I die i cant take this anymore" almost as if the things he saw started to become too much for him

carmine tendon
feral meadow
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next time u drop in look into the air and fire ur gun 7 times in honor

rich blaze
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R5D2 Log

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rich blaze
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Other R5D2 Log

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gray veldt
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I just noticed that C3 has a drop target of 1100, did anyone try typing RESIST in the terminal like the guy said in the log on C2?

graceful lotus
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IT DOES

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wait I"m dropping into it right now give me as ec

hasty pier
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there's a schaefer audiolog with a passcode that unlocks with resist

rich blaze
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He's compltely bonkers in it as usual

dark walrus
rich blaze
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but apparently, he managed to overcome Hydrostasis memory regression

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Might be, might not be

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Highly likely though

topaz flare
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question: is anybody else heartbroken about how things going for bishop?

slim fractal
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yes

topaz flare
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the poor man is getting destroyed here

rich blaze
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You know what's worse, if I understood the log correctly

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the endocrine is to make him REMEMBER

topaz flare
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well no

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it seems like its a program to see if they lost there memory or not

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funny thing is that dauna most likely didn't get his memory wiped

rich blaze
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Well, the N33S

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is here to fight things on the neural level

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fight a protein known for Cancers, but also Alzeihmer

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Hydrostasis has similar problems of memory loss, the units might be here to fight that and avoid him losing more bodily functions, but it also happens to work on memories

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I guess with enough problem hydrostasis could probs make you have big neurological problems such as forgetting how to talk, which this thing is against

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you see what I mean?

burnt light
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So did anyone found that terminal under 1100 meters Schaeffer was talking about? The one we have to enter the command RESIST in?

hasty pier
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it’s another audiolog

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he basically rants about how we could form a resistance against the warden or something along those lines

wraith tree
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i guess it a corp cuz checking the logs in r3 and r4

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"Note: Goods received by KDS representative #00118-G at Zone 45 Area B checkpoint as per instructions."

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extension could explain what KDS is

lilac island
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I made the drop and listened to Schaffers audio log if that hasn't been discussed

soft tartan
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I believe it stands for Kovak Defense Services

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I think it also says it on the b3 cargo

lilac island
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Schaffer talked about two people, one named Colin and one named Garrett. Apparently Colin knows the name of the Warden and Garrett isn't talked about too much

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Schaffer also says that (I'm paraphrasing from my notes) "us rats should to talk each other, find a way to break out of the complex"

wraith tree
lilac island
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I also checked on the wiki for a Colin and a Garrett mentioned and nothing came up. I'm gonna wait a few days for something to pop up

wraith tree
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there are logs up there in the chat, trying to check them if you found anything

lilac island
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Schaffer also mentioned that both Colin and Garret couldn't remember anything on command but memories popped up.

burnt light
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Damn, I was expecting more from Schaeffer.
Yea, Colin and Garrett are new names, unless they are mentioned in any of the logs released in the website. Maybe some of his old partners?
KDS is Kovac Defense Services. They seem like Garganta security or something similar, or working directly with Santonian and Dreyfus. But they also have a research brach, Kovac Research. They have been mentioned in a couple of logs in this R5

wraith tree
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hype for e1 logs now lol

fervent lagoon
wraith tree
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||red cross is new now ||

rich blaze
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Yep, although it's understandable considering the circumstances of 2049 and how Santonian came to be in possession of this "1.5mile wide" sinkhole

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You guys can take a guess on how large that sinkhole is compared to the city

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Also the quake was cataclysmic (9.8)

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Considering how far it got felt (as per R4 logs)

simple pelican
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can someone send the audio of the schafe log in c3? we are still yet to find that terminal

fervent lagoon
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when did shafe become a hip teen

solar nova
solar nova
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Does RESIST do anything on C3?

lilac island
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Yeah, it unlocks a terminal that's locked. There's an audio file to play on the terminal

solar nova
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||At what point do we put it in?||

real pewter
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you will see, you can't miss it

gilded vine
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Yes

solar nova
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Well, we didn't see it.

graceful lotus
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use 'look'

real pewter
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the only thing you have to do was check terminal

dull orchid
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anyone knows where da pw is hahaha

queen mango
dull orchid
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ah

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schaffers pw

graceful lotus
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is it A2 or C3

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*A3

gilded vine
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??

lilac island
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Resist

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C3 password is resist, A3 are apart of the mission

fervent lagoon
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do we have this E1 log here yet?

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wraith tree
lilac island
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ngf protein clusters were used iirc on hackett as well

rich blaze
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It's pain but it is reseachable

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Ye

snow yarrow
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wait what is Cretasium..?

rich blaze
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Probably something related to the meteorite that created the Chixculub Crater, so probably ore veins with more Iridium than usual I guess

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Sleepers seem to come from chambers, and also Thermal Anomalies (as per log) are the ones that created the upward explosions
KDS is holding people in from outside and sleepers out below, Project INSIGHT (Under Dean Lockwood, who's A-Level) goes in those chambers and sometimes it laser beams up things (it did at least once, provoking the auto log you see everywhere by taking out the main server room on October 12 2053)

snow yarrow
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so basicly

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Cretasium

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are kinda like

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a new kind of metal..? or material?

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or it just mean Cretaceous lol

rich blaze
snow yarrow
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lol

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maybe it just like the Vibranium in marvel lol

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An original stuff

rich blaze
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Considering how accurate they have been so far, I think we're still in this kind of things

steep goblet
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r5c3 is now the deepest stage in the game?

rich blaze
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I think so, never seen lower before I think

burnt light
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It's the lowest and only one so far below 1100

snow yarrow
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do we have this log?

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devout geyser
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how many logs have been found so far

rich blaze
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A lot

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There's at least 3 on C3

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1 on D2 1 on E1

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1 on A3

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  • 2 Audio ones at least in A3 and C3
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I have posted those Kolohe's team encountered

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so B4 is uncharted and could have some

devout geyser
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in 9 days i will put them all on the wiki and the timeline hmmNice

snow yarrow
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weeeeeee

rich blaze
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idk if you've followed but there's a lot of info on things

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What provoked the explosion and things like KDS and Insight being involved
Also World lore
and SMC corrupting the Mexican governement and burning the bodies of the dead from the earthquake (which we also have the dimensions of the sinkhole)

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And also a closure on the Chixculub/Garganta Conundrum

devout geyser
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i’ve read them all, just can’t post them cause NDA 🥴

rich blaze
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ohh

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lmao I forgot you were one of the 🐛 chasers

devout geyser
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is that a joke about my name

rich blaze
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Anyway here's a map of the sinkhole compared to Northwestern Yucatan, with Merida on the map
It seems to have completely engulfed the Chixculub Pueblo village

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devout geyser
rich blaze
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It wasn't an intended pun

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Isn't the role bug Chaser?

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oh no

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it's bug catcher

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oop

devout geyser
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bug hunter LOL

snow yarrow
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lol

rich blaze
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lmao oops

topaz flare
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bug chaser why does that sound like a movie XD

slim fractal
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Gavel🐛

snow yarrow
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lol

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btw the KSO=Kovac Security Office right..?

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so it's like a bunch of robot thing?

rich blaze
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Officers, I recon

snow yarrow
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√

royal gull
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I couldn't hear it correctly due to the 20+ sleepers in the fog...

rich blaze
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oh yeah that one, I heard it okayish

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It "teases" about the E1 log

royal gull
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gl with the room dude, mine was full of rave sleepers ready to slap

graceful lotus
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someone explain the woods log

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so apparently woods is already with legion in this log?

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and his mind has been wiped several times until he doesn't believe in god anymore?

unborn steppe
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There is a log mentioning that they had to “reset” woods multiple times due to self harm. It seems that they can’t wipe peoples personalities and they’ll always keep certain parts of their character. The characters can react to their log (from a2) being played. Woods swears to god that he’s not the man in his log even though he is. Bishop comments on Hackett’s log that even after the wipe they “didn’t take the arsehole part out”

graceful lotus
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apparently they were testing this memory wipe thing with hackett's A3 log

rich blaze
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Note that memory wipe is probably affected by the Endocrine thingy used to sometime wake the people from Hydrostasis

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so it's not wipe per se but more put neurally away if it makes sense

unborn steppe
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Yeah I have a feeling the 4 characters were part of the initial group of prisoners. The woman tells Bishop that he’s a Genesis class operative. I wonder if Dauda is actually in a better state since they found his pod after the facility was overrun.

graceful lotus
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apparently all the names of the prisoners were given to them

rich blaze
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Bishop's his real last name though

unborn steppe
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Don’t think so atleast not for Bishop. In his origin log it’s confirmed his name is frank bishop

graceful lotus
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wait I may have misinterpreted it

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so hacketts first name is aiden apparently

rich blaze
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Also we got Schaffer's full name, and since he seems to have been involved with legion, it makes sense that he forgot about everything except his name

graceful lotus
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that's interesting

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bishops log was pretty terrifying

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apparently he kept some of his memories

rich blaze
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He did kinda poke out of his weight tbf

graceful lotus
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what does that mean

rich blaze
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Oh wait, you're talking about which log?

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A2's?

graceful lotus
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A3s

rich blaze
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I didn't get the audios on those

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sadly

graceful lotus
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ah

rich blaze
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but Bishop punched above his weight by Blackmailing fucking Davies as an Intern

graceful lotus
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yeah

rich blaze
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busy week, so only got the logs Ura and Kenny came across, didn't get to play them myself

graceful lotus
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I can record them if you'd like

rich blaze
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I mean don't go out of your way for them :(

lilac island
# unborn steppe Yeah I have a feeling the 4 characters were part of the initial group of prisone...

genesis means origin, meaning that as far as we know, only bishop is a genesis operative, and that genesis operatives were the first generation of legion operatives. dauda cannot be a genesis operative in any capacity, as he put himself in hydrostasis, knowing what it does and what it would do to him, as a desperate means of escape on 53/10/11, as he was left behind during the emergency evacuation of the facility and didn't want to be awake for his death. it can be presumed based on his recurring nightmare involving restraints, people being violent, and injections, that his nightmare is of his work on the legion program, doing the horrible things that happen to those operatives. with hackett, the project must have already been ongoing for a regular security officer to hear about it and be able to volunteer for it, and with woods, it's likely the same case, considering the "program for people like you" sort of thing must have already been established for it to have been introduced to woods in that way

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though, with woods i think the log talking about relgious self harm might state directly that he was a genesis operative, so i might be wrong about him

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it also seems that the prisoners were additionally reset prior to the rundown protocol, as they seem to have been being trained to be proficient soldiers, as is leaned towards in the second log with woods

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however, this aspect of being trained "just to value the mission above all else and strive for combat" doesn't seem present in the characters during the rundown protocol

lilac island
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bruh

finite vine
lilac island
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bruh

twilit meteor
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Speculation af.

Wondering if the depths of the rundowns are non-chronologic. Perhaps resets happening each time? Each rundown could potentially be non-deprecating in a timeline this way.
Perhaps they're clones of the genesis?
They mention everything is infected. If the clones come out infected because the 'genesis group' is, then it'd make sense to discard them casually after having them do some job before they contribute to the sleeper population. Some of the degredation might be 'copy' degredation.

Schaeffer is one of the only constants, he (and his own group of 4?) don't seem to have been involved in resets. Making an important distinction between the nature of that group and the prisoners. They're something to look at to try and grasp at anything concrete now.

Shit, maybe the warden is some kind of memory extract.
Stuff gets real fun when you get to abstract identity from presentation!

lilac island
# twilit meteor Speculation af. Wondering if the depths of the rundowns are non-chronologic. Pe...

memory issues consistent with a reset having happened at some point in schaeffer's time are present during his messages, and schaeffer himself and his group being gone is a practical show of clones not being a thing. it DOES ask the question of why we keep playing the same characters, but i think it's just that failed expeditions are written off as not being the actual playable characters but instead nameless, faceless prisoners lost in the dark

fading shoal
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Speaking of Schaeffer, are there any more audio logs in rundown 5 left by him?

full vault
lilac island
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could be, but the parallels certainly are there, the insides of hsus look almost like beds, they have restraints, they often get injected with things during questioning and the like, as well as the idea of the people in restraints trying to attack and being agitated, are all distinct elements shared by both dauda's nightmare and the interactions with the operatives seen in the other three logs

lilac island
weary spindle
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so I've played this game for maybe a week now and the only lore i Know is that I am a prisoner.

pulsar crater
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Is there an updated lore sheet detailing everything?

weary spindle
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In the pinned there is a few things I think

brisk niche
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Do we have any written script for the audio logs in A3 and D2?

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Its so hard to catch up to these emotional dialogues

lilac island
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did dauda's first name get revealed, i forget

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found it

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abeo

lilac island
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i'm not 100% sure on the stuff thats put as unintelligible, as it's hard to put my finger on what it would be

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This is doctor Abeo Dauda, I am making this recording because I am not going to survive this, final punishment for our... for my actions. the [unintelligible] are taking over, [unintelligible] are unable to contain them. they are destroying garganta, killing everyone -- there's nowhere for me to run! there are no more helicopters, and even if we could leave, we all carry the virus now. we die by our own hand. I am putting myself in Hydrostasis. The creatures are not able to break the pods, but I will have no way to open it once I'm in, so these are my final words: I am-... I am sorry, for what I have done, for what I have become. It was for science, I thought, but no, I put progress ahead of ethics, I see that now. But I wanted us to learn, to understand, I did not know the price it would- [doors breaking, alarm blaring] Dreyfus Industries: it is my dying shame that I worked for the devil. A fitting end this life without morals is for me to forget everything I have learned, everything I know, and by mercy, everything I have done. [more doors, creatures slamming nearby door] They come! I do not have the courage to face these demons! In my final hour, Doctor Dauda is revealed as a coward! He dies in his sleep, and not by the hand of the evil he brought upon the world! May all gods, forgive me! [hydrostasis unit closing, door breaking, creatures cut off recording]

pulsar crater
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is the creature screams we hear the sleepers?

lilac island
#

yes

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they are actually the exact same sounds we can hear in strikers when they attack

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and the door slamming is made of the same noises used for blood doors

pulsar crater
#

so it could be assumed that the virus we see discussed in many emails/logs could be what created both the sleepers and the dead melting humanoid forms throughout and dauda was experimenting on people with said virus or?

lilac island
#

the virus seems to be in some way related, but not causally to the creatures

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it might actually be the other way around, that whatever the creatures are coming from produces some sort of virus for humans, as the text log in ZONE-373 of R5C3 talks about a virus having wiped out the mayans

brisk niche
pulsar crater
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but then that begs the question, did the earthquake knock loose something that released it

brisk niche
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I am trying out the D2 one though, Some words are just unintelligible which drives me mad 😦

lilac island
brisk niche
pulsar crater
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it*

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A3 audio log

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transcribed

lilac island
# pulsar crater but then that begs the question, did the earthquake knock loose something that r...

from what i'm seeing from revealed logs, it looks like what happened is that the earthquake could have been caused by something that's there at chicxulub, but is just seen as a humanitarian disaster, which dreyfus gives aid to as a way of getting their foot in the door to set up the very lucrative iridium mining facility of garganta, and that their deeper mining is what released whatever is going on

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yeah you can get to an additional 4 character audio logs in R5A3, it's easy enough that you can solo it since there's no alarms or anything up to that point

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dauda's is during the inciting incident which left the complex as it is, presumably on 53/10/11

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he didn't make the evacuation, and was essentially left behind, and he saved himself by putting himself into stasis

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woods' is an interview asking about his beliefs, with heavy implications that because of something called BIOCOM, they know that he's been cutting religious symbols into his body. this requires a reset to mitigate, so they want to make sure this isn't going to require a reset, and woods states that he doesn't believe in god if it gets in the way of him being able to see combat, before asking if he's been reset before

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hackett's goes into him not remembering anything, as his emotional detachment makes those memories far harder to maintain over a long period of time, since the emotions of a memory tend to be what makes a memory easiest to keep, he doesn't remember his brothers or his father. he doesn't know where he is, the interviewer states that he's in a clinic for memory loss. he says something like "oh good you're gonna help me get my memories back", and the interviewer says "no we're trying to make sure you lose them", and then he is put back into hydrostasis and put on NGF protein clusters and serotonin

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bishop's starts off with him being too drowsy to give a proper response, whereupon he is "woken up" with an N33S endocrine stimulator shot, he is unable to remember his name, but he eventually remembers everything when he is told about being in hydrostasis, he begs to be let go, he's given a sedation shot, and he brings up that he wants to see janson davies through slurred words, which surprises the interviewer before he is put back into hydrostasis, kicking and screaming

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the fact that they get injections and are held in restraints, with hackett being particularly combative and implying he would attack the interviewer if he could, makes strong parallels with dauda's nightmare

lilac island
pulsar crater
lilac island
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it's in zone 373, through the class 3 cluster alarm door on R5C3

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it's the only terminal in that zone

pulsar crater
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ah alright

rich blaze
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Also, not that they actually lack in firepower or something

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They're just taking the brunt of the attacks while Project INSIGHT stirs whatever's in the chambers below

royal gull
upbeat frost
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so the lore goes even deeper now

dawn sedge
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My understanding was that Dauda put himself into hydrostasis and somehow his hsu unit was recovered by the warden and thus he is being used in a similar way to the other prisoners?

rich blaze
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Eeyup, iirc he has international warrants on him, so they can do easily do that without drawing attention

dawn sedge
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Exactly: everyone who the warden has used has some dodgy backstory that they can use as leverage to get them to do what they want

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Dauda clearly is now revealed to be a scientist who helped create the monsters and that explains his nightmares

rich blaze
#

Also : there's a lot of Ex-Mercs (as per the log on the UN statement on the matter) from dodgy companies in MENA much like there were French/Belgian Mercs in Eastern and Southern Africa in the later 20th century.

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Kovak who's with SMC is the most prominent and shady company

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They could deffo disappear some people

dawn sedge
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I reckon Woods was previously part of KDS or some other mercenary group but somehow fell out of line (maybe religion) and thus becomes a prisoner

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Yes exactly

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There are clearly resources in place that could recover Dauda’s HSU from the depths

rich blaze
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Woods was in the active military actually

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Hackett's the one who was a merc

dawn sedge
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Oh I see fair enough

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But I thought the most recent woods log revealed something that sounded more Merc than soldier

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‘The mission’

rich blaze
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and he volunteered after some incident where it's strongly implied they kept guard to a village before they were massacred

dawn sedge
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‘Resets’

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Ah I remember now yeah

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Well I thought about woods that he was discharged, shot up the camp, then got hired shadily to become KDS

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And that audio of woods is after his massacre he committed against the marines

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He’s talking to a merc commander or something (As in the most recent audio)

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That was my understanding

rich blaze
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Yeah, I haven't been able to hear em

dawn sedge
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By merc group I meant AFTER discharge

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Ah I see no probs dude

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Deffo give them a listen they’re hella interesting

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Daudas is so full of emotion it’s kinda freaky

rich blaze
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I'll sure do

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Honestly, props to the VA

dawn sedge
#

Voice actor the goat seriously

rich blaze
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Also, remember the R4A1 audio log guy

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?

dawn sedge
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I genuinely felt freaked out hella

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Hmmmm idk I only played a little amount of R4

rich blaze
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There's a new log about what happened to him after his psych evaluation

dawn sedge
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O shit

rich blaze
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genuinely the most disturbing piece I've read in a long while

dawn sedge
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Wait the dude who was going crazy and asked for discharge from gargantua?

rich blaze
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Ya

dawn sedge
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*garganta

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Ah sick

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I’ll have to give that a read

rich blaze
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It's oop there, if you search my messages on this channel

dawn sedge
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I’ll have a look

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Also the new log with Hackett reveals that it was HIS brother who died in the curse of colt incident

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Here’s a screenshot from the wiki of the previous transcript

upbeat frost
#

what is curse of colt?

dawn sedge
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He is being tested in the new audio log to see if the names of his three brothers evoke a reaction

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Curse of colt is a text file about an incident in Ireland where a kid died on an island

upbeat frost
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oh

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thanks

dawn sedge
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His brother’s death probably traumatised him and made him who he is

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And then they wanted to make sure his memory wiping was successful by ensuring he didn’t remember that traumatic event

upbeat frost
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do we have any ideas how the sleepers are created now?

dawn sedge
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In fact, bruh, the kid who shot him may have been Hackett

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Uhhhh not quite I think?

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But probably due to a virus Dauda engineered

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Or helped create

upbeat frost
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since I heard sleepers in dauda's A3 log

dawn sedge
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A virus most likely developed from alien biomass in the crater (but that’s just my speculation)

upbeat frost
#

interesting

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can I talk about E1 here?

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like what is the influx protocol

dawn sedge
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No idea mate sorry

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Lol trying not to spoil it for myself but I know there’s no chance I’ll reach it lmao

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All I know is that KDS is the acronym for a merc group called Korvac Defence Services/Systems/some other word starting with S I can’t remember

rich blaze
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Sleepers have been apparently dormant in chambers near the Geothermal anomaly in the log, KDS have tried to stop them here and there and were doing okay until they got laser beamed up and sleepers could just got wherever they wanted

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the virus for now is unrelated to them apart that it provokes suicidal thoughts and self harm

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@upbeat frost Here's what I think it is according to logs and things cookieblob

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And for Influx protocol, I'd need to see E1 objective footage to do so, but I have my own ideas on the matter

dreamy hornet
#

Wait so sleepers were already there at the site before the excavation began?

pulsar crater
#

Was it confirmed that on October 11th 2053 there was an explosion

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or was it just the main server room exceeding 38.999°C

lilac island
#

not just an explosion, but also the outbreak and event causing what happened in the complex

graceful lotus
#

39C isn't that hot

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California has had temperatures this summer exceeding that

graceful lotus
#

you can hear the banging throughout the tape

burnt light
#

"BIOCOM is a self-governing DI entity"
Anyone knows what DI means?

pulsar crater
#

Honestly, I think they’re hitting some kind of geothermal mass but everyone’s too afraid to say anything. If our probes are closing in on a geological anomaly with unknown properties, I feel like energy spikes, temperature fluctuations, seismic activity, and a shared sense of doom and fear would be a big tell, right?

lilac island
# pulsar crater But temperatures exceeding 38.999 degrees celsius could just be the biomass movi...

it is that in part but not entirely, if there's temperature fluctuations caused by it then when what happened there happened that likely would go unchecked and be more severe, which could cause an explosion. as for how i'm certain that it is the entirely the event what left the complex in it's current state, randomly generated terminals will have biotracker event logs dated to 53/10/11, the same date as the auto_gen_status.log, showing "unknown biomass" in different security zones. with dauda's second audio log happening during the event, and being able to hear sleepers breaking through, it can be safe to say that what caused the emergency distribution of auto_gen_status.log is the event which left the complex in it's current state

heavy lodge
#

Anyone got any ideas about what influx protocol in e1 does? After the protocol initiated the sound coming from deeper part of the hole, was it the sound of air coming in (as “influx”)or a roar from some sort of unknown biomass below?

dense saffron
rich blaze
wet condor
#

Yo any cool lore from E1?

rich blaze
fast radish
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I beat it

heavy lodge
#

I have a feeling that for the next rundown. Instead of having ABCDE levels like previous levels, we will start from that E1 “dropdown point” to levels like EFGHI 🤔

royal gull
#

not sure if anyone already posted it, found in E1

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lost ore
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parasytes?? wow. this is some "the Strain" like thing

eternal sail
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“Demon tick”
Indeed

stiff yoke
devout geyser
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no but i can write it

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has it been posted here

rich blaze
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So it is parasites

lilac island
brisk niche
# rich blaze So it is parasites

I think it's still the virus causing the mutation, since the logs revealed that hazmat suits can stop the nam-v viruses but not the parasites.

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Those parasites are at least carrying, even probably incubating these viruses.

upbeat frost
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parasite can be other stuff other than worms right?

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so the parasite attach to people then people get the virus?

snow yarrow
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Maybe parasites are just a form of transmission...?

royal gull
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Parasites : an organism that lives in or on an organism of another species (its host) and benefits by deriving nutrients at the other's expense. It can't be a concept or a form of transmission if it really is a parasite. It has to be an organism.
My theory is that SMC excavated an enormous cave they names Deep Reach for iridium at first. Seing there's living organism deep down below in an enclosed system they used laboratories for research. Those organisms can survive and reproduce on their own in a minimal environment (no sunlight, no reproduced oxygen, no sustained food) or survive for a very long period of time in a kind-of natural stasis, which would greatly benefit SMC for star travelling.
They continued the excavation, asking Dreyfus for more investments, even though they found hostiles down there. They also found parasites with an infection carried by some sort of flees that passed through specialised suits.
It spread to the entire complex and to the surface when employees got the fuck out with helicopters.
BOOM parasites everywhere.

rich blaze
rich blaze
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<@&408548765599793173>

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Godspeed as usual 02love

rich blaze
# royal gull Parasites : *an organism that lives in or on an organism of another species (its...

Your theory is interesting, although one of your basis seem weird because of the timeline
Since Deep Reach is within Garganta , if that stasis you talk about is assumed to be hydrostasis, Kovac was already at human tests in 2045, way before earthquake or Deep Reach happened.
Also I don't agree with you on the helicopter's purpose (for me it's for KDS tracking them) but we don't have strong evidence towards one or the other solution

royal gull
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Thanks for they reply @rich blaze, about the spread to the surface I'll check my logs again. Here's one of the logs also in E1 about what seems to be nam-v spread on the surface. I'll also make notes about the helicopter part and the timeline with hydrostasis 🙂

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rich blaze
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Oh, This one was not on the lore channel before, this is news, thanks for sharing 02love

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For the helicopter, it seemed like it was scurrying for the whistleblower (Assuming we're talking about the same log)

royal gull
rich blaze
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Yeah it's deffo that CDC

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So now we have another 2054 log

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nice

royal gull
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I don't know if this log was also shared, found it in D2. It's about Dreyfus's responsibilities regarding SMC and operations in Garganta.

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upbeat frost
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so what happens to the world above the complex?

royal gull
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I assume someone spread the nam-v at some point during evacuation regarding this log #gtfo-lore message

devout geyser
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rip then i cant post it yet

rich blaze
solar nova
rich blaze
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Huge earthquakes that then put diseases that killed the Mayans

solar nova
rich blaze
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yup this one

molten tundra
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It's interesting that the log posted above notes them having only found a way to ease the pain of the infected rather than actually curing infection. If it refers to the same infection mechanic we interact with in-game, It seems strange that seemingly functional disinfection stations exist and are widespread around the facility.

finite vine
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I highly doubt that the infection talked about in the log is the infection mechanic in-game.

graceful lotus
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same

brisk niche
pulsar crater
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Anyone have a recording of the A3 Bishop audio log?

graceful lotus
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unfortunately not yet

graceful lotus
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?

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is this a troller

molten tundra
# finite vine I highly doubt that the infection talked about in the log is the infection mecha...

If that's the case, that's notable too - first that there's not one but two separate infections related to the parasite with different behaviors, one of which can be treated and the other not - and also because the log talks about how even their best hazard suits were incapable of preventing infection with the worse, untreatable disease, and that we've somehow also avoided encountering it while exploring the facility and fighting presumably infected individuals.

burnt light
pulsar crater
burnt light
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Also applied some noise reduction to get rid of the background buzzing. I can go back record them again if that's a problem.

graceful lotus
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damn this man is committed

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let me save those really quick

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thank you so much

pulsar crater
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Thank you!

wicked cedar
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so is nam-v what turns people into the sleepers, and is a different infection than the one in the fog that can be removed with disinfection stuff?

finite vine
rich blaze
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It is weird, considering they say they still manage to make them do menial work before death

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and no mention of post death things

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then again they could burn the bodies to avoid that

pulsar crater
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they do burn bodies

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in the state of truth AM audio log the caller mentions how they burn bodies iirc

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and mentions how they sequester workers and dont let them leave

burnt light
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I've noticed a couple of things going through the Santonian website.
I did some name comparing and the logs in archive005 seems to be just the R5Ext logs. If that's true, there are some logs that we haven't found yet. I guess 6 of them are the audiologs, so we might have 2 logs more in the Extended, unless I forget how to count.
Also, there's a log missing in archive004 that is on the wiki, the one about iridium prices.

rich blaze
pulsar crater
rich blaze
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Yes, for all we know we gotta go down to find stuff to stop the NAMV haha

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but yeah, such a disease would be extremely deadly with the current population density

pulsar crater
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2000M mission incoming "Find NAM-V sample and transport it to forward extraction point"

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4 man carry

royal gull
pulsar crater
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<@&408548765599793173> scam link

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multiple channels

tidal wraith
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Appreciate it

pulsar crater
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np

drowsy pebble
rich blaze
# burnt light

You can feel the hatred dripping. Man Litteraly coming through with the power of hate

unborn steppe
# burnt light

Damn the noises coming from Bishop inside the pod at the start. Sounds like he was crying when they put him in and when the pod was flushed his body just kept going.

unborn steppe
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This has probably been discovered but I'll mention it anyway and that's the fact that the Legion generations are by year. Bishop is a Genesis gen and he was put into Legion in 2031-ish (R5B3 log set in 2028 is about Davies moving someone to Valencia, Bishop talks about being held captive for 3 years before being "rescued"). Following the logic that each generation is by year then the Sigma gen ( 18th letter of the Greek alphabet) would be 2049, the year after Woods committed his mass shooting. Woods is implied to be Sigma gen since one Sigma operative is suspected to be self harming for religious reasons.

devout geyser
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oh wow

graceful lotus
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"Moved State of Truth Audio Log to E1 where it belongs"

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which one is this?

hasty pier
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d2 mother room

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it's the interview one with the employee(?) who escapes and talks on the radio

heady nebula
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the end of nutsack

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😭

wet condor
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Is C3 the deepest level in the game so far?

eternal sail
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This is some serious lore holy crap. You all are my heroes

worthy cove
wet condor
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Because apart from the badass huge terminal room there isnt much

worthy cove
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its the level that Schaeffer mentioned in C2

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and gave you a password to type in

wet condor
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Just listened to that log

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pretty cool

wet condor
rich blaze
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It mentions a depth

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and this depth is only reached by C3

worthy cove
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You come find me brother. Go deeper; below... Below eleven hundred meters... That, that will put you close! Yes! Smart, see? You find a terminal and enter the code: “RESIST”

wet condor
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Ahhhh Awesome

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Nice touch

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Id thought E3 would be much deeper than it actually is

graceful lotus
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ah yes E3

golden dune
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So we looking around c3 and typin in RESIST into every terminal?

graceful lotus
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there's a password protected terminal

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i forgot which zone

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but the code for that terminal is resist

golden dune
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Youve seen it? Did you try the code?

graceful lotus
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yeah

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it's a schaeffer audio log

golden dune
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Do you recall if you had to do extreme and or overload to find it?

graceful lotus
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high

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C3 doesn't have an overload

golden dune
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Sweet. Gonna find it with the homies tn.

graceful lotus
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good luck!

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it's not that hard

golden dune
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Wonder what "secret" schaefer was going on about.

graceful lotus
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I think you only need to do one or two alarm doors

golden dune
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Thanks!

wet condor
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Just found a log in C3

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Not sure if it has been archived yet

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Earthquake in 2049 created a sinkhole, perhaps this is the hole we are entering the complex by?

graceful lotus
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interesting

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maybe true but I think it's unlikely

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If I'm not mistaken the constructing of garganta started before 2049

wet condor
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Another C3 Log - Schaeffer's backstory perhaps

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Another C3 log damm

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And another one

golden dune
wet condor
golden dune
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Gotchu! Thanks for clarifying.

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Very interesting stuff. That last one is brutal.

wet condor
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There might be more though im not sure

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Does anyone know?

gray veldt
sinful robin
rocky shuttle
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wait i thought d2 was only a text log

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wait this is c3

graceful lotus
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c3 is schaeffers

solar nova
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D2 had an audio log, moved to E1 now.

rocky shuttle
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Oh, wait you right. I mixed up c3 d1 and d2

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Lmao

graceful lotus
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wait so iridium isn't the cause of mutation?

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that changes a lot of things

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apparently a group of people escaped too?

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was it the person from the R4A1 log?

royal gull
rich blaze
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it omits the sleeper parts, which makes me think it might be longer to create

warm pike
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So virus = suicide disease/unwellness,
Parasite = mutations? I think Im getting this

sinful robin
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Don't know if anyone needs them but once again gonna throw this in here for all of you.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1zzu-UmFOnlzDzdnlXTIxv8oxP339158l?usp=sharing
Folder containing what I think is all of the logs of both base R5 and Extension. The extension logs are somewhat poor quality but still readable. Might still be missing some logs and if that's the case please let me know which and preferably on what level I can find it if you know

silver vine
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Insane job

royal gull
silver vine
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Where is the Log in B4 ? Didn't know we had one there

sinful robin
silver vine
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i always go left side :^)

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The only time I went in right side we didn't find terminal

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But thanks for letting me know

sinful robin
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Could potentially be another log in 184 as well. Don't remember if i checked the terminals there or not

sinful robin
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quite far in

silver vine
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And do we know who is this Gustavo (the sender of the email) ?

sinful robin
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Pretty sure they've been mentioned a few times but don't know where

silver vine
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Yeah same 😦
Well I'll check rn 😉

sinful robin
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and response to that

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Two logs from R5E1

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Also from R4C2

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silver vine
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There is also before. I'm looking at the timeline and 4/15/2049 earthquake hits Gulf of Mexico.
04/20/2049, a mail is send to Gustavo Peres from Andrew Clinton, proposing help regarding the situation

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I'm guessing Gustavo Peres might be the Mayor of the city of Yucatan or something similar

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Giving lands, getting rid of The Red Cross in the area. Sounds like he has power over the region

sinful robin
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Could be

rich blaze
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Yucatan is a region

scenic wagon
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so what does the Influx Protocol represent? what does it do?

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do we know yet?

dim scroll
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No idea but considering E1's ending it seems like the fog completely disappeared

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As if a gigantic vent started working

gilded vine
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I mean it said "Simulataneously activate all KSOs in KDS Deep 1

graceful lotus
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What happens if you dont step into the scan at the end of E1?

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I checked fireblades and the koreans but both teams ran into extraction directly like us

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I saw in the koreans the fog was beginning to be cleared but I have no idea if there was like an ending after

gilded vine
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Everyone just wanted out

surreal lark
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nothing

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it spawns nothing

gilded vine
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Not spawns but animation wise

royal gull
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Nothing happens except the vent animation. You can even go back and startle tank/:mother for fun

graceful lotus
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ah I see

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you know just so there's a proper error alarm the E1 ending should make the whole complex sound an alarm

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and wake the mother and tank

gilded vine
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I mean no point

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it'd take them too long to get to you

graceful lotus
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true

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but just for the sound

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and the panic

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imagine pulling that then hearing the mother/tank scream

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btw are you guys planning on doing another level or you guys just chilling

gilded vine
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We vibing

graceful lotus
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I see

wicked cedar
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Dauda says in his A3 log that he’d rather die in his sleep than “by the hand of the evil he brought upon the world”. So are sleepers the result of Dreyfus’ work? Is it possible that NAM-V doesn’t even cause people to turn into sleepers, but whatever experiments Dreyfus were doing went totally out-of-control and caused it to mutate into this new hostile lifeform?

graceful lotus
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I dont think the experiments spiraled out of control

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but rather they found something that caused these mutations

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the E1/former D2 log is something to look at if you haven't yet and it points at something that there's more to the lore than we've seen so far

graceful lotus
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whoops sorry for ping I forgot to turn it off

scenic wagon
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I wonder who was talking to the radio station in that log

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and what happened to them

graceful lotus
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I want to say its the R4A1 log if you know who I'm saying

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but that's just a wild guess

scenic wagon
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Scaeffer hasent appeared in any R5 logs has he? there is an E-mail from I think... Artus adressed to him but never any replies from him

pulsar crater
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there has been the C2 Log as well as C3

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both audio logs

scenic wagon
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ah, havent got a chance to listen to those yet. completely forgot about them

pulsar crater
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afaik those are the only instances where he appears in the RD5

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although I could be wrong

graceful lotus
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yup

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you're correct

pulsar crater
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I mean i could be wrong as in there are logs we havent found that the bug hunters know of but cant talk about

scenic wagon
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hey Dusk, what level does your custom status come from again?

graceful lotus
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D2 :3

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funnily enough it's one of the only levels I havent beat

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pain all my friends are so far into the rundown and I'm left behind ;;

pulsar crater
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where is the log that mentions hazmat suits but things still getting into them

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I remember seeing it

graceful lotus
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hazmats?

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not sure

pulsar crater
molten tundra
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the log from e1

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i don't have it on hand, lemme see if i ccan get it

scenic wagon
pulsar crater
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or another

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whoops

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wrong one

molten tundra
pulsar crater
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ah thank you

scenic wagon
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I like how Sullivan ends his memo with "WE NEED MORE NARCO'S"

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IK why. but it could have been worded better

pulsar crater
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theyre the only pallative care that works

scenic wagon
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im aware. the fact that the ending of the message bluntly states they need more makes it seem like they need it for illegal stuff.

molten tundra
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i think this log, combined with the lockdown procedures log both explain why you'd find so many syringes and medical supplies lying around in general places for general use, but also why they'd be locked up in various areas quickly rather than put in say, special medicinal closets or wall mounted first aid containers, or in pharmaceutical areas

scenic wagon
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context does that

pulsar crater
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Isnt there a syringe log

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yeah one sec let me get jt

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EBDT FRAGMENT 29FH-011 START
ENC: D-Lock Block Cipher
Sender: CJ Mortimer
Receiver: Scott Weaver
Date: September 25th E$€!
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Syringes

Scott,

I’ve managed to increase the duration of the IIx drug effect - it now improves the user’s fast-twitch muscle power for 8 seconds. As you suggested, it’ll come in handy for occasional mining situations where the cables for the pneumatic tools can’t reach. A miner can just take a hit of the FTF booster syringe and smash the rock with a sledgehammer.

I know if the boost lasted longer it would be more convenient, but there are some ugly side effects that start popping up when I try to extend the duration of the effect. Just tell the miners to use the time well.

Regarding the “Injury Infection Liquid Pharmacon” syringe (“I2-LP” for short), the severity of the side effects are seemingly random and I haven’t found a way to get rid of them. I’ll keep working on it.

CJ

ENC://

EBDT FRAGMENT END

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it wont format

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mobile sucks

devout geyser
pulsar crater
scenic wagon
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why 4 days in particuler?

pulsar crater
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NDA

scenic wagon
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NDA for WHAT? they arent releasing anything in 4 days

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AFAIK

pulsar crater
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Bug hunters

molten tundra
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is it about the

pulsar crater
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have to wait x amount of time before releasing anything

scenic wagon
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wait. so... uh. what are the bug hunters doing RN again? thought they were inactive for RN pending R6

pulsar crater
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They are afaik but chase cannot release his database of updated lore from RD5 & Extension

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for 4 days

scenic wagon
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but we already have all of the R5 stuff released 😄 how does that work? (legalese isnt my strong suit)

pulsar crater
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ill dm u

shut mountain
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Bug Hunters have a blackout period after each rundown /extension release to not spoil anything for people. They have had time to test and play stuff in advance and in order to not ruin the fun for other players they have this period.

scenic wagon
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o

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so its like that whole dont post spoilers for things for X amount of time til after release

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mkay

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anyways. im tired, im off to beds. later

sterile linden
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i think my favorite lore theory is that the warden is actually the devil and we are just in hell

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or just SCP foundation

graceful lotus
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maybe we are the scp

frail pollen
sinful robin
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@scenic wagon There's a text log in D2 where he sends a E-mail to Andrew Clinton. He also does respond to Artus in another text log also found on A3

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Oh, and another one from A3

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His response to Artus

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rich blaze
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Artus mentions 2k deep

sinful robin
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It's possible we will be exploring levels reaching that depth during the next few rundowns

rich blaze
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Yep, Chambers have been found there, and there are the causes of the big molten path we go through

sinful robin
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In E1 we also initiate some Influx Protocol (whatever that means) that seems to clear out some heavy fog in the depths giving us access to those sectors

gilded vine
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Still what are KSOs

pulsar crater
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Kovak security officers

gilded vine
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So activating the Influx protocol revived the ksos?

pulsar crater
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unsure really

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im not even sure KSO means kovak security officer

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i just assume that because at one point they speak on KSO's shooting sleepers

gilded vine
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Maybe it's the robots

pulsar crater
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They've got KSO's holding off sleepers left and right

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maybe youre correct

gilded vine
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We shall have to wait and see until r6

pulsar crater
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it may be robots due to being paired with a probe

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would make sense

rich blaze
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Considering what's around

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I think it's more likely that they're mercs

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Who stood there until lower levels were sealed

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They could be prisoners too and this could be a lore explanation for customisation coming in next rundowns 👀

burnt light
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The KSOs were mentioned in that log about the thousand of pods that were moved, along with the Sigma and Tau gens. Since those seems to be groups of people, KSOs are most likely the same.
Kovac Security Officer make sense, not sure what else could it mean.

pulsar crater
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wtf

rich blaze
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yes

molten tundra
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are those big metal sheet wall things with the hinges and joints, supposed to be giant doors that explain how the vehicles traverse the facility?

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that's my initial thought but then you can sometimes see concrete walls behind them through the cracks so like

gilded vine
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Do we have a page or smth for all the lore sorted chronologically

molten tundra
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there's a logs sheet i believe chronological, pinned, but i don't think it has some of the more recent big reveals from this rundown

gilded vine
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I c

lilac island
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also holy shit

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sleepers being mentioned by name before the inciting incident is hugr

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OH SHIT

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the date on that is also hugely important

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53/10/13

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this is the first date we've seen that takes place after 53/10/11

molten tundra
lilac island
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it might not have been all at once then, biotracker logs still are dated to 53/10/11, so SOMETHING was getting around the complex in different places, we just don't know if that is the outbreak, or if it was just an outbreak, or if some locations were considerably more "safe" than others for the outbreak. the energy blasts seem to 100% be the reason for the elevator shafts being the way they are, with the topsides of the elevator shafts being semi "repaired" to have structure instead of just melted and bent upward

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and yeah idk

molten tundra
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Has anyone figured out why fog repellers would have been so common around the facility (and why fog itself would be so common)?

gilded vine
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Dust

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Real question is why is some fog infectious and some not

molten tundra
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If the fog repellers are just called that for gameplay reasons and they were used on site for dust dispersion i guess that could be an explanation for why they existed, but it doesn't explain why the fog is everywhere.
I personally lean towards them being called fog repellers because that was pretty much always their intended use though. If the fog is being produced by the creatures, it could make sense that it'd be encountered down there naturally and need removal.

I'm also uncertain as to how necessary portable repellers like that would be for dust alone in a mining operation, especially when it seems like around the mining areas heavy stationary ventilation stuff existed - but maybe i'm uneducated.

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of course, if the fog was down there already naturally, then you'd think any heavy duty ventillation stuff built would deal with it then too. but if the idea is short term coverage when say, exploring caverns or something that weren't mined out and heavily inhabitated or something, that'd track from where i'm sitting
did any of the logs discuss their usage for dust repulsion or anything like that?

gilded vine
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No clue but I vaguely remember a log in particular mentioning fog repellers

molten tundra
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hmm.

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do you remember if it call them that, or if it just referred to them as like portable ventilation devices?

gilded vine
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I think it was an R4 log so I can have a looo

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Look

gilded vine
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and here's the other

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molten tundra
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so
that's interesting

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they call them fog repellers internally, but mention using them to get rid of dust, which either implies to me that their primary function was fog repulsion as a retail product and that they're being repurposed here, or.... i'm not sure what.

gilded vine
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could be being used for both

molten tundra
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right

gilded vine
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might just be that the fog is a byproduct of fine dust

molten tundra
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thing is, fog is water vapor

gilded vine
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Fog could be a slang term

molten tundra
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as someone who grew up in a place with a lot of dust storms you don't really confuse the two

gilded vine
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Considering they had slang terms for NAM-V

molten tundra
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and i'd be surprised to see the slang show up in an automatic report you know?

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unless its a code word or something

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like that'd imply the people writing the software to generate the official reports are using the slang terms in there alongside formal verbiage

celest pagoda
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The NAM-V Virus:

  • Origin: Unknown
  • Cause: Unspecified Parasite
  • First major mention in Garganta: December 16th 2052
  • First appearance in Garganta: Workers among the lower levels who became infected
  • Possibly the cause of the Sleepers
  • 14 cases of infection in Dade County, Florida were observed on a unknown date
  • NAM-V has an R0 of above 9. R0 essentially represents the spreadability of a virus, for example covid-19's R0 was in the range of 1.5 - 6.6. This of course means NAM-V is highly contagious.
    Symptoms:
  • Depression, self-harm, psychotic episodes: No in depth description given in initial log
  • “Wandering” and “Daydreaming”: No in depth description given in initial log, however it was stated to be more frequent with construction teams among the lower levels
  • Ossification: The turning of cartilage in the spine (Each spinal joint is surrounded by cartilage) and the meniscus (The rubbery cartilage that makes your knees bend and act as shock absorbers, such as when you fall) into bone. According to a log found in R5E1, This ossification begins at the brain stem and spreads rapidly, with no apparent way to stop or even slow the spread.
  • Cognitive Reduction, meaning when a person has trouble remembering, learning new things, concentrating, or making decisions. According to a log found in R5E1, this symptom shows up “within a few days”, within a few days of what is unstated but this can be assumed to be initial infection. According to the same log, affected subjects were reportedly able to continue menial work for several weeks before succumbing to the pain and physical disability
  • Acute (intense) Neuralgia: Intense pain along the course of a nerve, typically at irregular intervals, especially in the head or face.
  • Anaphylaxis: A severe, even life threatening allergic reaction.
  • Malacia: The softening of bone
  • Decrease of pigmentation: The whitening of the skin, eyes, and hair.

Heres just a big dump of NAM-V info I was able to scrap together

gilded vine
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Where would suicidal thoughts come into this

molten tundra
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there were logs that talked about depression and suicide as a potential side effect of infection of the virus iirc

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massive suicide rates among infected workers

gilded vine
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With the guy walking into the drill

molten tundra
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although honestly that could just be a side affect of the intense pain they experience from the ossification

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i'm still left wondering why there's two seemingly separate infection types floating around, one of which we were ready to treat with disinfection stations and one of which we had no countermeasures that worked against - as well as how we've managed to avoid the latter

gilded vine
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What, NAM-V and the infection we experience in the game?

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What if they are the same, and we have discovered a cure but a moment too late and all of it was left there when everything went to shit

hasty pier
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or maybe the prisoner's bodies don't last long enough to suffer the long term consequences

gilded vine
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I mean the bodies that we find strewn around the complex could be people who survived the infection but didn't survive the sleepers

molten tundra
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when we know some of the debilitating symptoms set in within weeks

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i think the "clone" theory has also fallen out of favor at this point which is also the easiest way out for that

gilded vine
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Whats to say that the prisoners are disinfected upon returning into their hsus

molten tundra
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nothing, but the prisoners we play as supposedly have survived all of the missions we sent them on, and if they weren't somehow treated and were infected with nam-v as described in the logs, they shouldn't really be able to keep operating at this point

hasty pier
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i don't really believe that the prisoners we play as have a 100% survival rate tbh

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the warden explicitly mentions that some missions are expected to have high death tolls, and sends us in anyways

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maybe we're just supposed to suspend disbelief but there has to be some sort of consciousness upload/cloning or something along those lines

molten tundra
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people explain that away as "other prisoners die before warden sends in this team"

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although like

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after 4 rundowns of the ace team perfecting every mission

gilded vine
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Why not just send us in first

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xd

molten tundra
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you'd think it'd figure out that they're absolutely cracked and that they're gonna have no problem with any of these missions

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and would just send us in first

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to save time and resources

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idk

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i personally think the cloning or remote-consciousness-control theories make a lot more sense in that regard

gilded vine
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This is a problem in a lot of these types of games, why is it always the main character that survives everything

molten tundra
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i mean

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the main character surviving can be suspension of disbeliefed

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the claimthat lots of death happens though

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when as far as we see only hte main characters do the missions

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like, master chief surviving everything he does can be explained by him being a crazy badass in power armor and with genetic tampering

hasty pier
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that's a little different though

molten tundra
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but if a mission said "we had 3 master chiefs die here today"

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you'd be left scratching your head

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and thats sort of the issue we have here

hasty pier
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we're explicitly told we're just prisoners, not some crack team of elite soldiers

molten tundra
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but on the other hand, people point to logs of prisoners being explitely lost on a personal level

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which they see as an explicit contradiction of the cloning / remote-control theories

gilded vine
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It could also be that multiple expeditions are occurring simultaneously and that we are doing an expedition as the death toll is building up

hasty pier
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wait what logs mention prisoner's dying for good?

molten tundra
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there was one regarding another team of prisoners

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i'll try to dig up the names

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i don't have the logs themselves

hasty pier
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well

molten tundra
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stuff about "schaeffer"

hasty pier
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he was seperated from his team and disconnected from the cortex interface

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he's on his own by choice

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it could be that the clones only have their memory copied on successful extraction

molten tundra
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that seems like a pretty bad design philosophy, and its almost certain they'd just have backups around

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there'd probably be more than one schaeffer running around if that was the case

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the isolated one(s) and whoever gets uploaded next

hasty pier
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who's to say there isn't lol

molten tundra
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i'm not saying that, i'm not super versed in the "anti clone theory" arguments

hasty pier
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we do missions that occur at the exact same time as other missions, as seen in many of the distraction-style expeditions

molten tundra
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but i've seen a lot of people here who seem strongly convinced its not a thing, even though it conveniently answers a huge amount of the questions we have

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You'd have to ask them if you want to see more i guess

hasty pier
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at the end of the day it's all headcanon anyways for now

molten tundra
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search for "clone" or "clone theory" in this channel and you'll see the stuff im talkin about

hasty pier
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we won't have definitive answers for a minute

rich blaze
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Personally I think clone is HC until Canon confirms it to be fair

hasty pier
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hc?

rich blaze
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Headcanon