gtfo-lore

[main ibex]

I think they tried to weaponize it outright

There are sleepers in tubes with various invasive medical instruments in them as well, leaving me to believe at least extensive testing happened.

[floral stump]

It would make more sense if they accidentally stumbled into the mass of infectious creatures. Though, that wouldn't totally explain the use of bulkheads, security bio-scans, and large security parameters. They may have been put in place after they discovered the infection, though that would break the argument that the infection was found and then the dig was closed off. Would it have been discovered and then attempted to be contained, or is the infection and biomass's the reason for the mass deaths and leaving of the dig site?

[main ibex]

I believe the scans are intentional, specific movements unlocking sensitive areas basically ensures that the monsters cant access anything other than what they are. They could also be used as a sort of progress report for the Warden and his handler.

We know the Warden only wanted us to go deeper until we found the prenatal HSU

Then we were immediately tasked with basically creating an ultra monster, to my best guess.

[floral stump]

What do you mean by that?

[floral stump]

This portion I mean.

[main ibex]

Copypasted from wiki

In B1, multiple uplinks were created to retrieve the protocols for neural imprinting (used later). In B2, the neonate was depressurized and opened up for the neural imprinting procedure retrieved in B1. However, the DNA retrieved in Rundown Protocol Alpha that would be used for this imprinting was actually corrupted, so the prisoners were sent back down to the Protocol Alpha area in C1 to re-retrieve this DNA. Finally, the neonate was imprinted with the protocol from B1 and DNA from C1. After neural imprinting, the Neonate could be connected to the Neural Frame. The prisoners were sent to connect the imprinted neonate to the Neural Frame in D1, leaving the neonate behind to fight a boss Birther and finally escaping to Sector 4.

The "Neonate" is the prenatal HSU

[floral stump]

I see, would this suggest the Warden is creating something, or rather gather more data for someone higher up?

[main ibex]

I think the Warden is tasked with finding a final solution for
a. The biomass that surfaced
b. A permanent solution for hiding the complex and all its contents.

[floral stump]

That's interesting to look at it that way. I would have believed that the Warden is acting out of himself, his own curiosity or his previous position in The Complex (I'm assuming a position of leadership/management), instead of another high member.

[main ibex]

I do believe that the Warden was once a higher up, whether for San Inc, KDS, or maybe Dreyfus itself. If the Warden was acting alone, I dont believe we would have heard the variation of governments we heard in the interviews.

The gentleman interviewing Bishop in Valencia, Spain was no doubt American while the gentleman interviewing Woods has an overwhelming Northern US, maybe even slight French accent. (Canadian?)

Then Daudas interview

A literal powder keg

i had always theorized he was a warlord with private military experience, the unofficial "leader" of the prisoners

But now I think he was a scientist or researcher within the Complex, he uses the hearsay system in his log.

[floral stump]

A government connection would then be undoubtedly part of The Complex.

[main ibex]

Keep going bud, I love hearing fresh perspectives

Ive been lore hunting for 4 years now, I hear something new every day still

[floral stump]

I agree as well, the Warden definitely was a part of The Complex and it's management, unless Legion was somehow created and infiltrated The Complex without having any prior security details.

[main ibex]

I know that their HUDs are connected to the Complex in limited capacity, which means that whoever is pulling the strings of Legion has only limited access. Now whether thats limited access that was given or just because the Complex is offline is the question

[floral stump]

I've only recently got into the lore, I've known about the main portion of the lore (The warden, Gargantua, The Complex and it's complexities), however I too enjoy all the new discussions within the lore.

[main ibex]

Nice, dont trust anyone, especially yourself.

[floral stump]

My guess is that The Complex is in an indefinite lockdown, this would explain the lockdown doors, needed bio-scans, and lack of other human life. My guess is that The Warden and Legion have only so much access to the system, this could explain why you must set up networks and find specific creates of information, such as the 'HISEC' container in R5.

[main ibex]

Every theory I had 4 years ago has benn thrown to the ground and stomped. Accept your instincts as truth, but let them go as quickly as you thought them up.

[floral stump]

That's incredible, I've had my own thoughts and ideas changed, there is so much depth to it all.

[main ibex]

Only thing I got right is Bishop was a Sys Admin for San. Hearing your theory become concrete proof is a diff kid of bliss

Now finding out Hackett worked for KDS before volunteering, WHEW

His log also breaks my heart, every time.

Bishops I mean

[floral stump]

My guess is that Bishop found something or discovered and he was counted as a liability to Santonian.

[main ibex]

He tried to blackmail Davies

With info from spyware on execs laptops

But judging from his reaction you would assume he knew what the Legion program was, right?

[floral stump]

He most likely knew that something or some group was going to explore, the fact that he knew exactly what Legion is, most likely.

But I concur, Bishop was given probably the worst outcome for his audio logs; erased from life, and sent to a future of mental and physical trauma...

[main ibex]

Not even a record of birth, thats big ouchie

But thanks to that log we have a timeline for Bishop

, born in 2001, interned at San in 2017, 16 years of age, worked for 10 years before attempting to blackmail Davies, year 2027?

Imprisoned for 3 years by rebels in Valencia

Interview would have to be 2030 at the earliest

Thats 23 years before server room failure

[floral stump]

Yeah, if anything that furthers the discussion with a government connection, if Bishop was a liability, the government is really the only solution to an entire nuking of a person's existence. To add on, if the time line is correct, that would make Bishop at least 52 years old, that seems a little older than I expected.

[main ibex]

Feel fre to DM me anytime about GTFO lore, I breathe this shit, but I dont cough lol

Hydrostasis as soon as you enter Legion though, does that stop aging?

Hackett signed up just for that, stasis and a mind wipe. even his own superiors at KDS didnt warn him about Legion

and KDS was running security at the Complex when it failed, theres no reason yet for me not to believe that KDS knows about Legion

Actually now that I think about it, that could be a KDS representative in both Hacketts' and Bishops' interview

[floral stump]

KDS is what company name?
And I forgot about the hydrostatis unit's that would explain the aging difference that I forgot about.

[main ibex]

Kovak Defense Systems

Yeah when you drop you are pulled from hydrostasis

I once assumed that San Inc looked for an outside solution once Bishop was detained, but with his timeline now, I think KDS got involved out of desperation from Davies

[floral stump]

I remember KDS now, from a old lore video, KDS most likely had the technology/weaponry that the prisoners use.

[main ibex]

NO!

[floral stump]

What do you mean?

[main ibex]

Sorry, all of the prisoners weapons and equipment is severely outdated for the time

I didnt mean to yell

I get really excited

[floral stump]

It's quite alright X3

[main ibex]

For example

[floral stump]

Though, I would expect KDS to have some kind of function in the Legion program, the partnership could have ended after they found the prisoners though.

[main ibex]

The Buckland pump action you use is the exact same model that Woods used to commit his mass murder, and at the time it happened, the shotgun was '20 years old and no one had any clue how he got that kind of antique weapon on base"

[floral stump]

Oh my goodness

[main ibex]

TELL ME

YOU FOUND SOMETHING

[floral stump]

Oh

No, just never knew that >.<

[main ibex]

oh

lol

I get so excited

[floral stump]

It would make sense that Legion has older technology, they were first planned quite some time ago, were most likely not fully funded like The Complex was, and thus had little no grasp of the better weaponry.

[main ibex]

Or struggling for resources as the biomass rampages above ground?

We havent seen an outside news source this Rundown.

R4 gave us the earliest dated log we've seen, and its a news article.

R3 introduced us to a State of Truth, a radio broadcast from western US

What if the prisoners are our best hope?

Maybe the only hope

IDK if anyone has said it yet but there is a Garganta in Brazil

Widely known for the Mayan civilization that disappeared overnight, the same Mayan civilization that linked the earthquakes to the GFlu

https://www.britannica.com/place/Garganta-del-Diablo

[floral stump]

If the biomass did break to the surface, which it most likely did, then a widespread stopping of technological advances makes sense.

[main ibex]

Im not sure if it did yet. Thats just my theory

I think Dreyfus is desperate, I think they liquidated San after the server overheat, trying to forget the facility. But because of the flu and research already performed, they conducted the first iteration of Legion, with Schaeffer. After that failed, I believe they brought the program idea to the Warden, maybe he owed them? maybe hes the only one willing to arm them?

schaeffer stated multiple times he has no weapon so hes not new age Legion

Otherwise hed at least have CFoam launcher lmao

[floral stump]

That would make sense, a trade off of the project to the Warden.

[floral stump]

I agree as well.

[main ibex]

Mmmmhmm those are just my theories, any you have?

[floral stump]

I've mainly said all of mine.

[dim scroll]

Did that chad really go through R4E1 without any weapon

[fervent lagoon]

hes too good at kiting

[burnt light]

I see you were talking about KDS and Legion and if it's possible the first know about the second. They do.
The log found in R5||D1||, Johanson literally comments about Legion. That guy is who contacted Davies back in R3 saying KDS was the perfect security solution or something like that.
There's more. One of the logs found in R5||B3||, the one where they talk about Bishop starts with

/Legion/Personnel/Ops/GO-1395/archives/correspondence/
and it's Davies writing. Maybe the people at only involved in the mining didn't know about them but I think everyone else did.
Note that mail is from 2028, which means the Legion program is much older than the Complex, or at least than the Garganta mine.

[floral stump]

Now that you mention that with KDS and the connections from other rundowns, it makes sense that Legion would have been a program of The Complex. Legion could have been a security program of The Complex, thus the vast connections to other national and foreign governments. Because of that when the infection got out of control or took over, Legion might have changed their mission directive to instead find data that may remain, and gather technology and objects of importance.

That would explain why Legion had interviews and audio records saved on data terminals within the complex and detailed logs of the Legion prisoners.

[main ibex]

also, the 2028 emails only confirm Davies sent Bishop to Valencia on purpose, there's no talk of Legion at all.

I found an email from Andre Piros to Johanson but thats all I found in D1

If Daudas first name is Abeo, I might have a timeline for him

[burnt light]

Is not the content, is where the files are located that Legion is mentioned.

Now that I think about it, seems a bit weird that those mails were the only ones found within a folder and not just laying around on in some lost terminal.

Maybe because Bishop just doesn't exist, they just archived everything related to him. Idk, I find it weird.

[burnt light]

You are correct. Share it with us, good person.

[main ibex]

I’m at work right now but will 100% reply to this once I’m off

[floral stump]

It may be possible that they archived everything, at the very least they most likely wiped all of his related files and removed his existence from the servers. We may learn more in future rundowns, possibly logs that go in depth to another interview or an in-depth report of Bishop's actions. You would think that a person who put spyware on a government connected mining industry would have more than just an audio interview to his name saved on the computer terminals.

Although, he is just one of the four main characters, he does seem to have the hardest connection to Santonian and Legion, he was a vital part of the operation later in the timeline and was by far the hardest off with being put into the program and spending his life in Santonian. It wouldn't surprise me if there is more detail in the future that explains even more of how Bishop affected the overall security of Santonian.

No way Santonian would have changed nothing after learning they had spyware installed for quite some time before learning about it.

[main ibex]

This right here, I'm currently trying to link Bishop being transferred to Valencia and Davies finally letting KDS take over security for the complex. I'm as sure as I can be that it's cause and effect. I just gotta prove it.

[main ibex]

It's nothing special yet, its my main focus of research right now. Them dropping a name for the Project he was forcibly recruited for has to be the answer, I just gotta dig.

[main ibex]

Imagine how incredibly intelligent Dauda must be to be recruited by San or Dreyfus for his crimes against humanity

[floral stump]

All of the characters hold some kind of ability, Dauda is all by himself though.

Insanely intelligent, beyond what I expected.

[main ibex]

And probably the worst psychopath of them all, judging from what I've found

He volunteered for Doctors Without Borders under the guise of making amends for Cornerstone, but Werner says,"Despite all his protestations, he did ask a lot about Insight - so yeah, methinks the doctor doth protest too much." Thats a Shakespeare line from Hamlet that means," I 100% don't believe the bullshit you are spewing." Implying Dauda may not actually care about what he's done in the past, he just wants to get back to what he loves doing. Being a Mad Genetic Scientist, I believe.

[main ibex]

Now understanding that Legion was a program at the Complex while it was operational does kind of lead me to believe that the prisoners aren't Legion anymore. How would the Warden gain control of ONLY the Legion HSUs when there are clearly thousands more on the same network?

[main ibex]

And does the Sigma and Tau references infer that 17 other experiments failed? Are the Genesis Operatives just an updated, supposed-full-functioning Tau?

[floral stump]

I would say that Legion still exists, just not as an entire operation. If Legion changed their directive and gave control to The Warden, it would make sense then why The Warden only has limited control and also would explain why The Warden has the limited number of HSU's.

[floral stump]

What do you mean by this, I haven't heard of the Genesis operatives or a Tau or Sigma.

[solar nova]

Do we know much about Kovac?

Sounded like a military?

[main ibex]

Greek alphabet states Sigma before Tau

sorry still formulating

[floral stump]

Ooooh, that's very interesting.

[floral stump]

We know that they are a defense company that at the very least has ties to Santonian for outsources technology and most likely some presence in the higher security cargo, such as the HISEC in R5A2.

Overall, Kovac/KDS are working as a company for/with The Complex and most likely left control of The Complex when the server explosions happened, and The Complex was deserted or destroyed as it is.

[main ibex]

KDS was finally hired after multiple attempts from their CEO to get Dreyfus to use them. I originally thought Davies A-001 was the CEO of SMC but we have logs from SMC pleading with Davies to let them help so I asume Davies head honcho at Dreyfus

[floral stump]

Indeed.

[main ibex]

KDS also developed the hydrostasis units the prisoners are launched from

Davies had just been promoted to A-001 when he dealt with Bishop, would explain why he made an example of him.

[burnt light]

Kovak has a military or mercenary branch too, ether as part of their Defence Service thing or as a completely different branch. Where Hackett used to work before joining Legion.

[main ibex]

yeee Kovak Defense Systems

[solar nova]

I wonder if Bishop was the contact in Dreyfus that the conspiracy radio was on about.

[vagrant sigil]

||resist secretly ||

[rich blaze]

Kovak approached Dreyfus/SMC around 2050, which is 20 years after the erasure of Bishop

[floral stump]

Something that's always made me wonder...

As far as we know, all Legion members have their minds wiped, or at least partially erased, then put into Hydrostasis Units until needed by the program. My question is, would it have been possible to have a audio log or interview that includes the four main characters: Hacket, Bishop, Woods, and Dauda, all speaking to one another before they had their minds erased. It would be a stretch to have an audio log exist, but it could give more insight towards the four main characters. Furthermore, it could help better explain Dauda's tangent in the GTFO trailer about knowing but not knowing those around him. Could he have been saying that they were familiar strangers, or simply that the other prisoners, he knows nothing about?

[main ibex]

I don't think it would be possible for that. Not only would allowing them to congregate before they're wiped and dunked be a MASSIVE security issue, the entrance of the 4 prisoners we play as into Legion spans several decades it seems. Bishop was in 2031ish, Woods in 2048, Dauda was recruited for Insight in 2050, I dont have a timeline for Hackett because he volunteered but I assume it's around the same time as KDS unveiling their HSUs to the public so I'd guess around 2040-2050

[floral stump]

I see, that would definitely make more sense.

[main ibex]

I swear I'm not just denouncing every theory you have lmao

[main ibex]

I realized today that when Dauda was recruited for Insight, Legion was already active with at least Bishop and Woods in it. Makes more sense that what the Prisoners are now isn't Legion

Also makes me wonder what kind of work he could in Cornerstone that makes him so valuable to an R&D program on potentially alien biomass'

[floral stump]

If anything, it's helping me to better create theories and better my timeline of events.

So thank you X3

[main ibex]

No problem, my man. I really appreciate you sticking around and actually conversating, most people just lurk

Not hating on you lurkers either, I love you guys too

[swift lily]

lurks

[main ibex]

Still loves you

[red steppe]

gets on toilet

prepare

[floral stump]

You too, I honestly didn't realize there was a whole mini lore community in the discord.

Always good to have others to talk about something as interesting as this.

[main ibex]

I be as active as I can here, the lore for this game makes os much sense its insane

Have you looked up Colt Island yet?

[floral stump]

What do you mean?

[main ibex]

Google Colt Island Sparta KY

[blissful helm]

@sinful robin

[main ibex]

I love both of you

[floral stump]

👀

That is insane.

[main ibex]

Tell me who it is.

[floral stump]

What do you mean by that?

[main ibex]

which prisoner is this log about

If you know dont say

Let my mans figure it

[sinful robin]

Good you were quick there, was just about to type ^^

[main ibex]

Lol Im always here for the boys

[blissful helm]

Ski11as is basically the lore mod

[main ibex]

Oh?

[blissful helm]

He’s beenn following it up since r1

[sinful robin]

Wdym, all i do is collect logs like a maniac

[blissful helm]

Lore enthusiast u can say

[blissful helm]

maniac is the right word choice mhm mhm

[sinful robin]

I only collect logs, then let others actually figure things out

Too much work for me

[main ibex]

Ive only been in game since R3 but I've lore hunted since then, the real life applications are so uncanny I'm addicted

[main ibex]

That's God's work, as Wood would say

WE STARTED DRILLING THE COMPLEX IN 2016

In real life, its insane

With the same guise, mining purpose for iridium removal

Like WTF

In 2019 we had conspiracy around the Lancarna airbase woods shot up

And the fact that the exact same model shotgun he used is a choice in every Rundown infers that his mind wipe worked fully, but in his early mind wipe days he cut himself repeatedly, with religious symbols

if thats him then Legion recruits (for lack of a better word) had a classification level and log in the Complex

[main ibex]

This has puzzled me for a few days but I think I might have a theory. The file path could have originated somewhere else and then been labelled Legion by Hearsay.

So sorry for the late reply, I needed something tangible to reply

[burnt light]

The hearsay system wasn't installed until the 2050s
I mean, it could be an automatic process but the timeline here seems wrong and it's the only log with a directory path

[main ibex]

Oooo you right, maybe its a log from an older system and needed a file path to integrate?

[floral stump]

Woods?

He seems to hold some religious aspect to him, the story seems to be identical in nature.

[main ibex]

Yessssss!

Pushed his mother off a cliff, then shot his older brother.

[floral stump]

Holy...

Woods is definitely the most "insanely" driven.

[main ibex]

Or watched his mother kill herself then shot his brother, either way

[floral stump]

Still, that mental impact would have been beyond belief.

[main ibex]

But he didn't care

He needed to cleanse the Earth before, now he swears that's not him, maybe the mind wipe worked on him?

[burnt light]

The log about the Colt curse is probably Hackett's, since Colt is an Irish island and Fingal, where the newspaper seems from, is a county in Ireland.

Now, that part about religious scars, would be great if they'd confirm somewhere it's really about Woods.

[burnt light]

Anyway, since Chase isn't doing this anymore, I did. Idk, maybe it will be useful at some point

Also, if he doesn't update the timeline, I'll do it myself

[tame goblet]

Alpha mission was actually 427 ft! that's 130 metres. Literally unplayable until you fix that graph.

[devout geyser]

who said i wasn’t updating them

[clear elm]

thank u queen

[burnt light]

Beta maps depth were also in feets, then appear in meters in R1. So feets are a lie now, and also I thought kinda the same happened to the Alpha map.

[tame goblet]

Yeah I'm only joking. It's a good graph!

[graceful lotus]

when even deeper is less deep than the C tiers

[gilded vine]

;=;

[graceful lotus]

hi friend

[surreal lark]

inb4 next lowest level is "deepest"

[floral stump]

Most likely, if his previous mental state was wild enough to have him commit mass murder, and now he's at least somewhat calmed to the point of teamwork and understanding, the mind erase would have had some significant impact on him. I would say not a total mind erase, but enough to let Woods understand himself better.

[main ibex]

Colt Island is actually in Sparta Kentucky USAA. I won’t ruin it for you but Google Map it 😊

[oblique bay]

so is there an E level for rundown 5?

like after you be D1

beat*

[timid lance]

no

[main ibex]

E1 should be where Schaefer is mucking about

[worthy flower]

considering we just missed him last time, i think we'll catch up to him this time.

[graceful lotus]

I wish they would bring back the R1/R2 style interrupted comms

it feels like the prisoners are going insane rather than a functional team

[remote stag]

I'm waiting for us to go so deep we'll dig through the other side of the world

[main ibex]

I’m at work but I 100% will reply to this when I get off. I have a theory involving this statement.

[graceful lotus]

Mmk

dont read too much into my statement though

I was just saying that the old interrupted comms made the levels sound creepier

[main ibex]

Yeeee I know what you’re saying. Their comms becoming better might be because they are actually becoming a better team, assuming they haven’t actually died technically and are successfully moving through the complex.

[burnt light]

I look it up again and the first result I got is the Irish island, same as before. So I did a bit more research this time.
According to Wikipedia, there are 5 places named Colt, the only island being the Irish one.
So I moved to Maps. Since it only shows 5 possible results, I can only find those 5 places named Colt Island.
There are 3 Colt Island on the US. The only in Kentucky as you mentioned, one in Massachusetts and one in Alaska.
Then, there are 2 Colt Island in Ireland. One in Skerries and one in Galway.
For what I've seen, the KY one is a camping site and the one in MA is a park. The ones that might, just might, be populated are the one in Alaska and the one in Galway. But I'd say that doesn't really matter since the devs could have said "ah, yes, there's a house here now"
Now, "Focus on Fingal newspaper". I've found 6 places called Fingal. The first being the Irish county. Then there's one in North Dakota, three of them in Australia and the last one in Canada.
The log says "pubs and taverns of Skerries". I've looked up Skerries too. There are some Skerry and some Skerries, but let's focus on the later. There are a couple of places with that name in Northern Ireland, in Ireland, in Scotland, in Wales, in South Georgia and in Australia.
About the log, it also says "Skerries locals (the nearest mainland town)". That Skerries place is near the island. There is a place called Skerries in County Fingal that is like 5-10 minutes away from Colt Island.
I would say the log is talking about the Irish place, and since Hackett is the one Irish character, that story refers to him.

[main ibex]

Oh. I’m at work and can’t research right now. Will 100% get back with you when I’m off. Off the top of my head I know the log references that there’s only one house on the island and when you look at the Kentucky Island it only has one house.

I think this is an awesome insight and I can’t wait to dog into it

Dig*

[main ibex]

My mans I would like to personally thank you for pointing this out to me. It is an awesome feeling finding something new out. I 100% zeroed in on the fact that there's a Colt Island in Woods' hometown and didnt even think twice about it. Thank you again!

Also his brothers name was Cormac, which is an Irish name.

[royal gull]

thanks you chase mate, that is some useful chart

[devout geyser]

...

[dreamy spire]

[graceful lotus]

we've been known

[floral stump]

To bring up an old conversation @main ibex, something I've noticed from replaying R5A2; there's an even greater reason to suppose that a biomass would be the most likely suspect for the bent metal and deep shafts throughout the levels. Specifically in R5A2 the ceiling has a ginormous biomass over the hole of the shaft. Other levels have smaller forms of this biomass, but this is the largest mass I've seen.

[graceful lotus]

R3 had some really really massive biomass

[floral stump]

That's true, I didn't think too much about other rundowns.

[main ibex]

I'm starting to think that the biomass "pulsed" over time, breaking through the Complex slowly. It might still be pulsing, judging from the extent of destruction this Rundown.
April 2049 was the earthquake. possible pulse
April 2052 The suicide rates starting rising exponentially within Garganta. possible pulse
I may be reading too much into the dates but it seems a pattern is being formed. This one is still pretty low on my list to research though.

[solar nova]

Kind of weird that lab and datacenter aren't overlapped as "tech" but storage, refinery, and dig are?

[main ibex]

Could be beacause the labs and datacenter were ran by Project Insight. In company emails they talk about Insight like its a seperate corporation, not just a R&D lab

As usual, I'm about to head into work, I will 100% respond to anyone that responds when I'm off.

[solar nova]

Talking about ^, but neato.

[main ibex]

Sorry man

[solar nova]

All good, lol

[main ibex]

I think it’s interesting how they talk about Insight
We might actually have the 3 Branches of Infrastructure needed to make this complex possible
Construction=SMC w/Ryxos
Research=Insight
Development\Big Monies=Dreyfus

[solar nova]

If we label every environment based on if at least one room from it is used, as it seems is done w/ lab and data, should be...

Alpha: Storage

R1
A1: Storage
B1: Storage
B2: Refinery
C1: Refinery
C2: Storage
D1: Refinery

R2
A1: Dig
B1: Storage
B2: Refinery
B3: Dig
B4: Storage
C1: Storage
C2: Refinery
D1: Dig
D2: Refinery
E1: Storage & Dig

R3
A1: Lab
A2: Dig
A3: Refinery
B1: Storage & Dig
B2: Refinery
C1: Storage
D1: Lab

R4 + R4Ext
A1: Datacenter
A2: Storage & Refinery & Dig
A3: Refinery & Dig
B1: Lab
B2: Storage & Dig
B3: Lab & Datacenter
C1: Lab & Datacenter
C2: Storage & Refinery & Dig
C3: Storage & Dig
D1: Refinery
D2: Lab & Datacenter
E1: Refinery & Dig

R5
A1: Floodways
A2: Lab & Datacenter
A3: Storage & Refinery & Dig
B1: Storage & Refinery & Dig
B2: Lab & Datacenter
B3: Storage & Refinery & Dig
B4: Floodways
C1: Floodways
C2: Lab & Datacenter
C3: Lab & Datacenter
D1: Storage & Refinery & Dig
D2: Lab & Datacenter
E1: Dig

[graceful lotus]

why is half of R5 empty

also what does lab and storage (and refinery now that I think about it) look like?

[solar nova]

Pressed enter early on accident.

[graceful lotus]

ah lmao

[solar nova]

B2, every zone outside of extreme and overload is lab.

[graceful lotus]

ah that makes sense

[solar nova]

D1, every zone outside of extreme is refinery.

B1, the zones that the key can spawn in are storage.

[graceful lotus]

ah that makes sense

so digsite is R4A2 high?

[solar nova]

No, that was storage.

[graceful lotus]

huh

I feel like datacenter and floodways have pretty unique and recognizable layouts

but everything just feels like a mix

maybe that's because I started playing in R4

[solar nova]

It was a lot more recognizable R3 and prior, when almost nothing was mixed.

[graceful lotus]

I see

wait is R3A1 refinery or labs

[solar nova]

Lab

[graceful lotus]

I see

[solar nova]

datacenter didn't exist yet

[graceful lotus]

mmhm

so when there's green pillars and arcs everywhere that's probably labs

whats a recognizable difference between storage and dig site?

they're both very dirt-y

[solar nova]

They're pretty different?

[graceful lotus]

actually now that I think about it

wait A2 extreme is digsite right

[solar nova]

Which rundown?

R4?

[graceful lotus]

yeah

whoops sorry

[solar nova]

First zone is digsite, second zone is storage, the left and right zones are storage, the ahead zone is dig site again.

[graceful lotus]

ah

I see

wow no wonder I'm confused

I thought they limited to one theme one objective

[solar nova]

Naw, it's room by room really, but usually contained to zones and such

[graceful lotus]

pain

is there anywhere I can find like pictures of each theme

wait is this storage or digsite

[tame goblet]

B3 pathfinder dig site

[graceful lotus]

I see

okay I'll stop bugging you guys

thanks for the help

[tame goblet]

Maybe you can find each theme on the wiki

[graceful lotus]

oo good idea

[solar nova]

Storage is lots of shelves, boxes, and squarish layouts.
Refinery has lots of silos, elevated catwalks, and verticality.
Digsite is tunnels, uneven terrain, large cargo crates, etc.

Lab is a lot of lab equipment, glass containers, and plant beds.
Datacenter is a lot of servers, wires, robotics, etc.

Not on wiki for some reason.

[graceful lotus]

ohhh so most catwalk things are refinery I see

so E1 is mostly digsite but that room next to the first S1 is refinery right?

[tame goblet]

Nah that’s all digsite

[graceful lotus]

oh

pain

I see

[tame goblet]

I think refinery was in extreme

[solar nova]

R4E1 is mostly dig site, it has refinery rooms in the room w/ generators, some of extreme, and some rooms right before the final S1.

[graceful lotus]

got it

thanks for the help

[solar nova]

Not sure what room you're talking about specifically, first zone is entirely dig site.

[tame goblet]

Dig site best environment

[graceful lotus]

this bad drawing if it makes sense

the one on the bottom

[tame goblet]

Is that the last s1 or the second s1?

[graceful lotus]

first one

wait

second

the one next to the windy path going up into the fog

[devout geyser]

!wiki Locations

[amber nimbus]

https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/Locations

GTFO Wiki

Locations

This page lists the Locations in GTFO.

[solar nova]

No pages or images.

[devout geyser]

then add them yourself

[dreamy spire]

[burnt light]

So we have some work to do then

[main ibex]

Most def

[silver vine]

Hum, am I the only one who's hearing banging on pipe in C1, in either E_112 D or E_113 D.
It's just one really loud bang

[graceful lotus]

That's probably just ambiance, I doubt it's like the R4B1 banging where Schaeffer tells us HELLO in morse code

floodways has a lot of ambiance

[silver vine]

Ok, it's just I've been spamming C1 lately and it's a pretty consistent behavior. Every time you walk in those rooms, you have the loud bang, so I was wondering since R4B1 had something similar, and C1 is close to 1100m deep

[graceful lotus]

if it's just one loud bang it's probably just ambiance

if it's multiple then there's maybe something there but seems unlikely

[silver vine]

Just one and lonely loud bang, thanks for the answer 😉

[solar nova]

Does sound as if it's a sound trigger.

[harsh saffron]

Don't know if this has been here for a while and pointed out already:
The 'Corrupted' archive on the Santonian website received another corrupted log (doesn't seem to be a log from in game R5, based on the name) and its going to be 'restored' in 2 days and 15 hours.

[real pewter]

what

[gilded vine]

They are right

[real pewter]

website link

[gilded vine]

santonianindustries.com

[hybrid nova]

when i copied that link my pc crashed

[gilded vine]

how

[hybrid nova]

idk

it just crashed

Ehh

thats normal right?

[gilded vine]

Yes

[hybrid nova]

that the website is a terminal?

lol

[gilded vine]

Thats the point

[hybrid nova]

wierd

[gilded vine]

Type cd <archivename>

[hybrid nova]

Audio and text logs?

[gilded vine]

yep

All the logs from previous rundowns

[hybrid nova]

Seems to be prisoner logs

[gilded vine]

hm

[hybrid nova]

They seem insane at most

jesus

[gilded vine]

yeeee

[hybrid nova]

hmmm we got .css

shell source code

F. bishop

hmm

[gilded vine]

If you want to listen to the prisoner logs themselves its in a2

[hybrid nova]

ok

Oh look at that

Bruh

In 1 of the logs there are talking about a virus

they are really wanting people to think its harmless

i guess its dangerous

[surreal mason]

Does anybody know if the corrupted log in the satonian industries website could perhaps be Base64 text since its all giberish?

Im just saying a theorie

[burnt light]

It's probably just random characters. Base64 code usually ends with == or =

[graceful lotus]

I mean plug it in and see if it works

[surreal mason]

I tried but i did not really give me anything good

[graceful lotus]

I see

[surreal mason]

Welp looks like that theory was a flop

[graceful lotus]

points for effort

[surreal mason]

But im still positive that the giberish text has something behind it

I mean everything has a reason right?

[graceful lotus]

I think it's just purposely gibberish

I think the whole reason it's gibberish is that so you can't read the message

[surreal mason]

Hmm yhea

Well thats a shame

I thought i was on a lead

[graceful lotus]

it was a good attempt ;3

[surreal mason]

Hehe

But wait

Maybe it could be another form of code

I could ask someone thats good in coding

Theres not just Base64

[graceful lotus]

I doubt it

[surreal mason]

I mean its worth a shot

[graceful lotus]

I didn't go through hours of fnaf and doki doki for nothing

true

[surreal mason]

Ah ok

Your one of the few people that looked up the secrets

Respect

[graceful lotus]

:3

[burnt light]

They have used rot47 once, they can do it again. I'd be cool if they do it again. Or maybe something similar.

[raw perch]

what is rot47

[rocky shuttle]

A type of caesar cipher

more specifically shifting the characters by 47

[lilac island]

what would be the biggest holy shit reveal you can think of with regards to the monsters in gtfo

i think for me it would be hearing this voiceline from system shock 2 when finally getting through R5C1's first apex door and seeing so many sacs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4IlVMpRWLQ

[regal pagoda]

Anyone looked at the santonian website yet?

[frail jay]

Yep , a new log has appeared in the CORRUPTED folder which will be available in 13 hours

[lyric spruce]

whats hot on the lore block?

[wispy creek]

There's a bunch archives from previous rundowns*

Go to the Santonian Website, and click the logo

Anyone's got a clue who schaefer is?

[graceful lotus]

runaway prisoner

not much else

[celest pagoda]

Probably that the monsters aren't just acting out of some kind of need to defend each other or a queen, but that something is actually driving them forward. Something that isn't just a queen controlling them for the purpose of making sure the virus/the monsters stay alive, but something that is smart and has an end goal, and is using it's horde as a means of getting to it.

[lyric spruce]

so they're just a hive mind basically

a really spiky, pasty, gross hive mind

[celest pagoda]

Kind of. When I think hive mind in regards to the monsters I really do think that's a possibility, but the mind itself is still just as animalistic as its horde. What'd be surprising to me is that if there was something REALLY smart behind all of them, maybe even something very old and evil.

[graceful lotus]

kind of doubtful if you look at the sleeper patterns

if you killed one, why doesn't the whole complex start running at you instantly

but it's a cool theory nonetheless

[lyric spruce]

yeah, tru

[worthy flower]

probably because security doors.

kinda gets twisted when you ask, why are there only 30 enemies cap, when you do an alarm.

[fervent lagoon]

i think that would fall under "gameplay mechanic" instead of lore

bruh moment

[tame goblet]

bruh

[gilded vine]

What does it all mean this log

[blissful helm]

probably some sort of teaser for ext

[fervent lagoon]

place your bets, new enemy, guns, or both

[gilded vine]

It's referencing dreyfus and kds being present for a manned spaceship journey to mars

[blissful helm]

new enemies

[gilded vine]

GTFO in space???

[blissful helm]

are the logs restored?

[gilded vine]

it is

[fervent lagoon]

unfortunate spacemen

[blissful helm]

nice

[fervent lagoon]

they restore in 40 min

[blissful helm]

aight bet

[fervent lagoon]

nvm im dumb

they are restored now

ig it was just off a bit

[gilded vine]

Thats the main bulk of it

[fervent lagoon]

^ directly above that block

[gilded vine]

That too

[blissful helm]

still corrupted for me 🗿

[gilded vine]

DST

[fervent lagoon]

this is pretty early in the timeline

interesting

[blissful helm]

No leak

damn

[gilded vine]

indeed

[fervent lagoon]

it is a leak

r5.5 is just amogus

[blissful helm]

we going to space boys

[gilded vine]

tank in space

[carmine tendon]

Did i missed something or what the hell is Red Alpha?

[rich blaze]

It's what appear to be a rocket to Mars using Hydrostasis, launched from Kourou,France by the European Space Agency

[real pewter]

it's me but red

[burnt light]

Small detail, I don't know if it's significant or just a mistake, Kovac is written like "Kovak" in that last log.

[royal gull]

Imo lore guy simply misspelled Kovac/Kovak.

[carmine tendon]

Idk if it already answered but, why they growing plants on floodways?

[graceful lotus]

because that's where sun has reached the lowest levels of the complex

where's there's light there's plants

[carmine tendon]

Huh, i see

[graceful lotus]

I mean sorry for the terrible answer

it's pretty hard to describe

it just kind of makes sense

[half thistle]

Something I noticed from listening to Bishop's audio log is his association to Mr. Davies and Valencia, which actually connects to the log found in B3 which notes that Janson Davies has a "friend who is hoping to visit Valencia in a few weeks"

could be coincidental, or this log could be referencing Bishop

[regal pagoda]

we've got the audio log from d1 somewhere?

the one with the password?

[royal gull]

Yes it is a direct reference to Bishop. It's a cynical way to speak about an opponent you want to silence.

[placid basin]

C2

[regal pagoda]

I though he was giving the password in C2

and you'd then have to put somewhere in D1

[placid basin]

Nope

[half thistle]

d1 isnt 1100 meters deep

[placid basin]

Not deep enough lol

Yeah

[half thistle]

he specially notes the depth, could be e1

but might be next rundown, too

[regal pagoda]

welp, we need to wait the extension then I guess

[placid basin]

It doesn’t have to be E1. We know the depth does not associated with the difficulty. Some of the B Tier is deeper than the C or D tier

[half thistle]

true, but i wouldnt be surprised if it is

[regal pagoda]

yeah but if its not in any current maps

[half thistle]

indeed

[regal pagoda]

gonna be in the extension

[royal gull]

Yup, "resist" command may also be a new mechanic; as we need bulkhead key for a secondary objective maybe resist under 1100m triggers a specific event no matter the tier/level

[half thistle]

indeed, though i suspect itll be more lore based overall

might unlock new objectives for the rundown as a whole, who knows, maybe ones that support the opposition to santonian

[lilac island]

yeah hivemind is highly unlikely due to behavior already mentioned like the fact that killing one doesn't wake any others, or that waking one doesn't immediately wake them all unless one screams. they definitely work off of functioning individuals, the horror of "something doing something and using them as pawns to achieve that" might come in the form of how and why they were created rather than something akin to the nihilanth from half life

[half thistle]

quick clarification question for anyone here but the game takes place in the Chicxulub crater iirc. Is Garganta the name of the facility we play in or a seperate facility entirely?

because from my viewpoint, it seems Chixculub is the crater and the operation related was the mining side, and whatever garganta is might be the building/lab side?

nvm one quick search told me that garganta is the name of the facility xD

[graceful lotus]

garganta is the name of the mining company that was researching the crater

whoops saw the last message just now

mb

[floral stump]

Garganta, meaning throat, is the hole that was dug, basically the overall site and everything included. The Complex is the facility and all of it's passages, bulkheads, everything man-made.

[graceful lotus]

ah

[lilac island]

santonian is the mining company, with parent company dreyfus, with at least one of the aims of the project being finding high amounts of iridium to at least act as a cover for the project's other aims, which are unknown, or to pay for itself, or to just generate money.

iridium is the aim not just because of it showing up as a percentage on random screen readouts, but a log stating that the high amount of iridium being used in new electronics is causing its price to skyrocket

and iridium is so dense that the only natural locations to find it on earth is at meteor impact sites, as the earth's own iridium would have sunk to the core during formation

[gray veldt]

I love how Santonian is a play on Sanitarium. Like it's blatantly intentional.

[lilac island]

it's not blatantly intentional

santonian happens to be the name of the era in time where i'm pretty sure that chicxulub crater was created

actually no

it's the time about 20 - 30 million years before the meteor hit

but it's in the same era as the mass extinction event caused by the chicxulub crater

it's not a name that was made up to be a play on anything, but is a name taken after a geological time frame in which the location of the complex was created, i think it's more that someone was nerding out looking into the details of the chicxulub extinction event, and then saw the name and it stuck out to them so they used it

[fluid cairn]

question: what is the legion program? does it have anything to do with the cortex interface injection at the intro and us being in stasis when being dropped into the complex?

[fiery hornet]

Saw a picture on my friends Instagram of humpback whale and it reminded me of the shooters. Fun fact the bumps on a humpback are known as tubercles.

[lilac island]

it's not 100% pinned down yet, but the legion program is what the prisoners are in. they have their memory wiped, are used presumably to test hydrostasis, and are used as essentially an entirely expendable private army/bed of human test subjects for various experiments

[quiet flint]

So, yall probably know about the santonian industries website, where you can access logs from previous rundowns. They updated it with the logs of rundown 5, but they seem like they are encoded. I am thinking that these are either the logs we have in the rundown that they havent let us access through the website yet, or they are other pieces of lore that we are ment to decode. Website: https://www.santonianindustries.com/

[unborn steppe]

Probably waiting until Rundown 5 Extension so they can make all the logs available at once

[red steppe]

ight boys its time to wait 100 years

[quiet flint]

lmao

[burnt light]

Neither the names nor the number of logs display in the webseite match the names or number of logs on the game.
Might those be something new?

[regal pagoda]

only 36 363 days and 4h? I was expecting more

[manic shuttle]

waiting for r5 extension be like

wha the warden doing?

[quiet flint]

codecracking time?

[hybrid nova]

give that thing more ram

then maybe its faster!

[dim scroll]

@fair lion why would naming a monster with 2 different words be fine according to the lore ?

Is it to lure the warden ?

[fair lion]

I don't know what's the case for ours specifically but in games story overall

There could be no official name, different groups use different ones

Maybe there is one but it changed from the time Schaeffer was prisoner

Or maybe it's different factions with different names overall

This whole names deal doesn't work too well to start with when devs say whatever the community calls them is what they're called

[surreal lark]

It’s like how all enemies are sleepers

But not all enemies are strikers

[fair lion]

That's also one possibility

[dim scroll]

In that case either Schaeffer & Hatchett were in the same group before (which is why they supposedly call them snatchers), or hatchett & schaeffer suddenly decided to name them snatchers for some reason

[royal gull]

The way people give names to things depends on the context and situation. We call most of the monsters sleepers for two reasons: first thing it's the way our characters talk about those monsters, second is related to their behaviour: they are sleeping. For other monsters that our character do not speak out loud we refer to their main and/or obvious characteristics as nicknames: big striker for bigger versions of monsters that strike us down, chargers for monsters that runs towards us, etc.
My opinion is that whoever came down before us in the complex, as Schaeffer did; they certainly nicknamed monsters due to their distinctive behaviour/physic. A snatcher would be some kind of monster able to grasp or seize something or someone.

[shut mountain]

This does make me wonder how the "Scouts" name was given to the scout specifically. I currently assume that the characters are put in and out of HSUs when needed, so the likelihood of hearing it from some other prisoner else is low, especially because its a "collectively" accepted name for the scouts in game. Did they do a fuck up at one point that resulted in them calling them scouts, or did the name came to be due to past events that we as players are not aware of as of now

[fair lion]

That is interesting but i doubt we'll get the kind of world building that would answer this

Heck who says everyone calls them scouts

Maybe it's just these few dudes

I also find it interesting how all these sleeper names don't even refer to anything of the sort outside of context

Say snatcher without sleeper context could be thought like something that kidnaps people for those experiments

But this is probably irrelevant

[shut mountain]

Yeah we probably aint gonna get an answer. One part of me is sad about it, however the other really likes it. I like it when games leave the window open for people to have headcanons about stuff

[fair lion]

I like it when there's tons of details that players can read like in doom 2016

[shut mountain]

Would be nice if GTFO had a "Collected Data" section or something. Prisoners would need to play the game more and more to unlock more data about the environments, enemies...etc.

[fair lion]

If they ever had time to make that

[vale lava]

Indeed that is a good idea like many other games have available for smart players that want to learn more about enemies, weak spots, lore and more

[eternal sail]

I’m good with some details being vague and left to the players’ imaginations.

[tame zealot]

the creatures in gtfo look similar to something scp like. just a thought. but it would be cool if theres a connection

[devout geyser]

<@&408548765599793173>

[vestal delta]

thanks luv

[frigid zenith]

It would be cool if they had a connection to scp

Like if the foundation existed in the gtfo universe

[gilded vine]

Someone could make an scp based off of this but lore is hard

[frigid zenith]

It can be hard at times

Not all the time

[gilded vine]

you'd probably have to make some sacrifices to make it coherent considering we don't have a full picture ourselves

Then again that is kind of the point of scp

[frigid zenith]

True

[devout geyser]

<@&408548765599793173>

[timber birch]

back of a terminal

[carmine tendon]

well, thats interesting

[burnt light]

CNTRL Technologies is the company behind terminals, electronic locks on doors and boxes, and iirc also the hacking tool

[astral flax]

yes

[frail jay]

lul new logs in r5 archive

[gilded vine]

Just a couple

[devout geyser]

jeez

[burnt light]

All of them are corrupted. They differ in restoration time. The number of logs on the web still doesn't match with the logs in game.

[cedar eagle]

<@&408548765599793173>

[clear elm]

thanks

[eternal sail]

So being new to this, the lore, while vague and mysterious, one thing I noticed is the “upward curl” of the metal, as if something erupted from below. I don’t know if this has been discussed. What do some of you vets think?

[ruby lake]

That action was successful.

[cedar eagle]

<@&408548765599793173>

[real pewter]

hmmm

[mighty crest]

oh, i noticed that too. I wonder, if anything, if it means something

[lilac island]

it's been discussed at length, but there is no absolute conclusion. line of best fit is it has something to do with the catastrophic overheating of the server complex as seen in the auto_gen_status.log, which also coincides in date with the random wall bio tracker logs showing unknown biomass infesting the complex.

[eternal sail]

This game is wild. Love the whole vagueness of the lore.

[lilac island]

it's getting less vague over time as different details emerge

like the fact that the evacuation protocol for the entire complex occurred like 3 days before the inciting incident

which happened iirc October 7th, 2053

[lilac island]

or was it October 11th

i can't remember now, it's been a while

[rich blaze]

11th

[celest pagoda]

Looked up the dates the countdown timers correspond to in the Archive 005 list. Maybe I'm looking too far into this but does anyone else think this could be some kind of code? These logs and dates are in the same order as the website had them.

[dense saffron]

These are the logs from the current rundown, so presumably once the next rundown's date is announced they'll be given actual unlock times

since the next rundowns date is unknown currently, they're set to impossible numbers

similar to how the in game rundown countdown timer got set to like 9999999 for april fools

[burnt light]

There are 15 logs in this rundown, but 22 on the website. Even if those are just placeholders, the number doesn't match.

That kinda bothers me. Also the names are different.

[red steppe]

anyone know if theres some hidden meaning to the designs in #game-announcements message ?

[frail jay]

I think not (but if you are completely fanboy and schizophrenic, then you can try to see the layout of the level or levels from a top view, but this is hardly)

[red steppe]

i think im the second one

[red steppe]

yea those definitely look like map layouts

maybe they're doing an extension 👀

the description in D1 does seem to hint one

really not sure about the first screenshot being a map 'layout'

looks too small to be a level

actually all of them look pretty undersized

[rose cradle]

maybe they can be connected into one?

[twilit girder]

the top pic in just on the bottom right over the rundown button

[hot burrow]

I see it

[rose cradle]

oof yeah i can see now

[twilit girder]

2nd on the left

[hot burrow]

ya

[twilit girder]

3rd is on the right, but part of it is missing

part of it is moved to the top right

[red steppe]

oh

my entire idea got shut down so quickly\

lmao

[hot burrow]

<@&408548765599793173>

[frail jay]

New corrupted log

[hot burrow]

Hell ya

[tidal wraith]

noice

[carmine tendon]

[proven merlin]

owo

[frail jay]

As always

[devout geyser]

they manually change the file in the backend lmfao /j

[frail pollen]

Yeah, we have someone sit there that has to manually change it at the exact second it "decrypts". it's a tough job, but someone has to do it.

[devout geyser]

...

maybe it's in 16 minutes

[slim fractal]

[devout geyser]

yooo they finally did their job and swapped it over!

[rocky shuttle]

1100 meters when?

[frail jay]

By the way, two more corrupted logs appeared in the r5 archive : WKRP-817-CIN.LOG and
EBET-743-HRD.LOG (the first two from the top)

[carmine tendon]

2 new corrupted log

on CORRUPTED

BCOM-3EG-2419.LOG Is 1 day 5 hours

BCOM-3ED-0946.LOG is 2 day 2 hours

[lunar berry]

Any pdf or document on the lore so far?

Im new and interested

[real pewter]

pin

[carmine tendon]

Today's got me thinking

the logs in ARCHIVE005 was 24 right?
what if that log was the R5 expansion log?

There are 15 logs in this rundown for now

[regal pagoda]

there is no R5 Ext

[hot burrow]

I hope we get one

[placid basin]

It’s just a myth

[hot burrow]

like bishop

[regal pagoda]

They said there wont be anything new on the roadmap until after the summer break

So nah

[carmine tendon]

could took after summer i mean

[gilded vine]

Damn they dumb as hell

[real pewter]

where are we then

this is for 2000+ meters down

[floral gulch]

I see schaeffer in there

[frail jay]

Yep "j_schaeffer"

[lilac island]

Does it mean that Schaeffer was working inside Garguanta before it was abandonned ? And now he return ?

[real pewter]

i think it's mean that

[harsh saffron]

I think he just stayed down there

[real pewter]

schaeffer was working at garguanta

[lilac island]

He was already working for someone else than santionan with Arthus, the "mutual boss" seems to refer it

[real pewter]

and also 2000+ meter

[lilac island]

Yes, it's deep

[real pewter]

well

[lilac island]

And the fact that the place is about to collapse is also mentioned

[real pewter]

at least, if we ever get there

no cell objective

the place will be fking hot

[lilac island]

I don't see any date, except that

[dawn leaf]

Question for you guys. I'm new here and trying to figure out how to get into a group lol.

This is the only place that seems active.

[lilac island]

#how-to-matchmake

Everything is explain here

[dawn leaf]

I see. Thanks.

[lilac island]

2053/10/08 ?

at 9h24m19s ?

[lilac island]

With a high tier authorisation

[harsh saffron]

that makes sense, the lockdown report hes referring to was from 2053/10/7

[real pewter]

he's also need to be higher up

to be able to open all the lock door on his own

[lilac island]

Without triggering alarm ?

[real pewter]

ye

we are just "volunteer"

[lilac island]

Why the warden don't gave us those kind of authorisation : Reponse, not be like Schaffer

[real pewter]

while schaeffer

somehow just go through all B C D tier

and even E

he has high stat with better equipment then us

[lilac island]

During R4D2 log, he say he was send, like us

"What if I- Listen... I was in a group, there were four of us. They're all gone. But I think there are others. Maybe you, if you're hearing this. "

But another log make a reference to gorup of 4 people

[harsh saffron]

ok true, fair point

just assumed he was forgotten down there when everybody tried to leave

[lilac island]

The 4 peoples group might have been something already established by santonian (Don't remember which log)

[lilac island]

Not impossible, during the same log, he said he as memories lost

"This is... my name is Schaeffer. That's- (laughing) That's all I know. (stuttering) I don't remember. (grunting) Focus... Yeah, I know. "

[lilac island]

I'm dumb, I didn't understand what you've just said

He might have forgotten things du to the virus, and the infection ?

[lilac island]

And it's alos possible that they leave without him, same log :
"I must- maybe they think I'm dead! What if they've come for me? What if I'm giving myself away here?"

[real pewter]

he got brainwashed

like the rest of us

not because of the virus i think

[lilac island]

If he was already inside and forgotten, it might make sense

[lilac island]

Have you proof about it ? Clue yes, but proof ?

[frail jay]

Or maybe he got fucked up from loneliness or is it the consequences of erasing the memory of those who participated in the "LEGEON" program

[real pewter]

do you have proof about the got the virus?

we're both speculation

[lilac island]

Same, just some clue

[real pewter]

but at least we have a hint that they all are brainwashed

[lilac island]

Sorry if I seem agressive

And did we have some clue about the warden seeing everything we did through our eyes ?

[real pewter]

all 4 player only know their names

like schaeffer

[lilac island]

During our expedition, are they doing any reference to the surface ?

[real pewter]

no

i think not

[harsh saffron]

I mean its also possible its just: -Went down with a group
-The rest of the group died
-he stopped contacting the warden/hes unable to leave alone
-The warden obviously assumes hes dead and keeps sending the next group

[real pewter]

we got brainwashed when we got capture by santonian or something like that

[lilac island]

It maybe Far-fetched but, considering that the whole squad was send inside for the first time together, during R1A1 (Or before if the beta rundown is canon), the squad was already making reference to sleeper and scout, without having any knowledge of them ? (Or it's just due to the gameplay ?)

[frail jay]

Perhaps just a game convention

I am sure the canon will be shoveled at release

[harsh saffron]

maybe they get a cute briefing video, then they get put into hydrostasis and then they just get woken up at some random point ^^

[lilac island]

It's also possible, for the 3 first point I could agree, for the last did we know if what the warden send us to do is in order to kill schaffer indirectly or not ?

[real pewter]

they don't know what a charger is

they only know sleeper and scout

they called all of them sleeper

birther? nope

tank? nope

[harsh saffron]

Some ppl assume that some objectives (R4E1 for example) have the goal of flushing schaeffer out, or just kill him
we never got the a direct command tho, he is never mentioned if I remember correctly, this new log is the first time outside of his own recordings

[real pewter]

well

[lilac island]

Ok ok

[real pewter]

he's still alive tho

[harsh saffron]

yeah we are just bad at our job, if the job is to kill him ^^

[lilac island]

(And never mention any snatcher, like Schaeffer did)

[real pewter]

wait

he did mention snatcher

it's in R4E1 log

[lilac island]

He's the only one

[real pewter]

he's the only one knows what a snatcher is since

[lilac island]

But I'm still thinking Snatcher is just a synonym for sleeper

[real pewter]

he's the only one survive

[lilac island]

A new mob, or a synonym, both could be true

[real pewter]

he's the only person alive through all the level in R4

that's why we don't know what a charger is

what other creature is

we only call it sleeper because we keep getting reset?

[lilac island]

Yup, but if our squad is theorically the same since the RBeta (If the name is correct) I ask myslef : What append after the extraciton scan ?

Are we just put again in cryostasis ? Bring back into somewhere else ?

And put in cryostasis after when the Warden need us once again ?

[real pewter]

ye

we're getting locked up in hydrostatic

or

"we're all are a clone"

[lilac island]

But it seems weird to me to put us in cryo after each mission, if we are the same one during every rundown

[lilac island]

I read some people talking about it, the theory is about R4D2 tank room ?

[real pewter]

we didn't even know what hydrostatic is

[real pewter]

ye

[lilac island]

Hydrostatic ?

[real pewter]

ye

[lilac island]

We had some information during the previous log, about Mars if I remember ?

[real pewter]

we're in hydrostatic the whole time

i think

[lilac island]

And I think there is something interesting about the name of the log, what EBDT mean ?

I may just overthinking, but could we get some hidden information inside the logs name ?

[harsh saffron]

Btw about the "clone/same group/consciousness transfer theories"
In the Interview between Hackett and Woods
Hacket says: "there is a new programm woods, desinged for ppl just like you"
So are they looking for ppl with a crazy mindset?
Good physical attributes?
Survival experts since woods just survived a whole bunch of stuff?

If we have an answer to that, it should be clearer which theory about the player chars is correct

[lilac island]

What I found really strange with those theorie (Since we don't have character customization) is the fact that we always have the same outfit (But if the devs are adding it into the game later, this counter argument would be destroyed)

cloning don't include clothing

[harsh saffron]

I think there could be some meaning there since its strange that some logs just have a completely different structure in their name

[opaque glade]

EBDT - Emergency Blast Data Transfer maybe?

[real pewter]

i mean like, you just put body in with outfit, transfer your mind in

done so

[lilac island]

And I also asked myself, since which date IRL should we consider things canon ? Are the old trailer canon or not ? Is the beta rundown canon or not ?

[lilac island]

And how did you get the outfit from our dead corpse inside the complex ?

I don't think they have 1000 Hacket outfit in stock

[real pewter]

you don't need it to be a dead corpse

you only need a body with fully function

and transfer the brain intel in

so we could have multiple hackett

[lilac island]

But it don't answer to how do you get back the cloths

[real pewter]

you don't need to

[lilac island]

Except that I agree with you

[real pewter]

the equipment they gave us are just miner stuff

just give them another one

clothe and outfit aren't that hard to get

[devout geyser]

wow. i cant believe i never figured that out

[real pewter]

since this is in the future

[lilac island]

For every of us, every time, the exact same outift ? It sound strange despite all

[lilac island]

It could be it !

[real pewter]

we're all wear the same shirt to go to school at my place

so it isn't special for me

even in jail, everyone wear the same outfit

just different size

[lilac island]

But every character has a different outfit, I should have a screen of a whole squad

[real pewter]

well it's kinda easy

stick to the lore itself

[real pewter]

hackett work for santonian

so he has santonian logo

woods got capture by some company

[real pewter]

so he has their company outfit

same with bishop and dauda

we have santonian, dreyfus,

[lilac island]

It still seem strange to me, because it still mean they must have in stock many of those outift

[real pewter]

i forgot the other 2 companies name

there are more than 2 companies

ctrl?

[harsh saffron]

ngl I think its just for looks, having everybody looking the same would be kinda lame

[lilac island]

The one who build Garguanta

[lilac island]

Yes, we probably overthinking it

And it's juste due to the game itself

[harsh saffron]

or the game is just pov of this insane crew that gets everything done after some other groups failed already

ah w/e ^^

[real pewter]

well, like i said

[lilac island]

Also possible

[real pewter]

how can the warden have so many "prisoners" in store

if they died, just send the next group of people

you have to store them in something

and when you started the game

you came out of a hydrostatic

[harsh saffron]

oh the storage is in one of the r5 logs actually

the d1 log I think

[lilac island]

And it would explain why we don't have to eat, drink or sleep (Except the fact that it's not intented to be in game)

[real pewter]

and also

before you drop down from the elevator

you "woke" up

[lilac island]

"BIOCOM"

[harsh saffron]

We will begin BIOCOM installation in hangar 4 immediately after. Once it is up and running the pods can be safely moved into the new storage space. We will have space for 8,000 pods by December, and a further 24,000 by March 2052. At your discretion, the first KSOs should be ready for deployment by the start of 2052. The Sigma and Tau generations are currently being coded for Garganta security operations.

[lilac island]

Waking up from Hydrostasis

[devout geyser]

KSOs - Kovak Security Officers?

[harsh saffron]

or science operatives

[lilac island]

And we could bring the debate to "Why the hell do santonian have so many HSU with so many people inside ?" Probably some human experiments for cloning ?

[lilac island]

I knew the answer, but in my mind it's related to Kovac, yes

[real pewter]

all of these company are connected to each other

[lilac island]

Where do we had the names and informations about our characters ?

[real pewter]

A2 logs i think

[lilac island]

But we knew them before ?

[real pewter]

no

[lilac island]

What

[harsh saffron]

I think the names were given out by the devs, since we also have some quotes about each of them

[lilac island]

But when and where ?

Are we sure that's their true name and not nicknames ?

[harsh saffron]

I mean we had their last names for some time (looking it up rn where they are mentioned first)
And im pretty sure since the a2 log for bishop for example, that these are the real names and not just nicknames, wouldnt rly make sense for a interview with a "criminal" to keep calling them by nicknames

nvm its probably in some interview, thats a bit much to look through ^^
but we also have the podcast on youtube with the voice actors of all the chars, so I would say its pretty reasonable to assume that the names are confirmed to be the actual names

[lilac island]

Ok ok !

Is Mr Davies, the CEO of Santonian ?

[slim fractal]

yee yee daze

[shut mountain]

Posting this for @devout geyser cause he made this timeline, but the bot does not like him.
https://www.notion.so/GTFO-Timeline-0e93a62e8cfd44b3a36beb4ab245a2d0

[harsh saffron]

Davies was the CTO of dreyfus industries in 2035 and he was promoted in 2028

[harsh saffron]

ok thats super sick

[devout geyser]

[lilac island]

We know it from which log ?

[carmine tendon]

you're telling me that AUTO-Gen status report was actually canon?
goddamn

[lilac island]

And amazing timeline !

[devout geyser]

check out jan 25 2028 and you can see it

[harsh saffron]

the promotion is from the mail between davis and lockwood about sending bishop to valencia (58ZP4.LOG)
the cto stuff is from the news article about the mission to mars (from the santonian website EBDT-TYUF965.LOG)

[lilac island]

Ok ok, and the fact it's Dreyfus ? Also the Mars log ?

[harsh saffron]

jup

One is Janson Davies, CTO of Dreyfus Industries. Perhaps that is not so surprising
given that Dreyfus seem to have a hand in everything these days (and Davies himself
is a known space fanatic).

[lilac island]

Oki ! So Davies work as CTO of Dreyfus, and also inside Santonian ? (Or at least he has some high tier authorisation)

I know he work with them, but he is a proper member ?

The accreditation A001 is quite strange, the log of R2 was found inside some dreyfus related terminal ?

[harsh saffron]

Maybe hes the cto of dreyfus but was also put in charge of the operation in garganta and thats why he has the "highest" ID

[lilac island]

Probably

I'm actually discovering Lore piece that I never heard of, like the one about the Curse of Colt which don't seem to be related to anything ?

[devout geyser]

curse of cult is about hackett's backstory

[lilac island]

Ow

From where this piece of Lore come ?

[harsh saffron]

R5B2

just a normal log

[lilac island]

I absolutely missed it '^'

And how do we know it's related to Hackett ? Is there another reference to this curse ?

[harsh saffron]

Colt Island is close to ireland, hacket is from ireland ez
(also works for his age and that he talks about doing stuff that should upset him and that he wouldnt want to go back to his father)

since he killed his brother and his mother ^^

[lilac island]

So we don't have absolute proof of it, but it's probably him ?

[lilac island]

During the interview of the 4 charcaters?

[harsh saffron]

jup

would be strange to have a log in r5 for every character except for him and then just to have a random story about some kid from ireland

[lilac island]

Ok ok

[slim fractal]

nah it makes no sense

its probably there to throw us off

[harsh saffron]

would be pretty funny ngl, we just find this kid in rundown 34 and nobody will remember this log ^^

[lilac island]

The log about mass shouting is about who ?

And OPN is mentionned, what does it mean ?

[slim fractal]

woods

he killed a bunch of people

🙂

[lilac island]

I read that ... he went crazy at this moment :/

(I might have question about acronym, because I'm not familiar with them since their in english)

[harsh saffron]

opn is "one planet network" a sub section of the mambo media news wire network
they also have the "Focus on Fingal newspaper"
"A fractured History"
and "Science weekly"

[lilac island]

Ok ok, thx

[harsh saffron]

np ^^

[lilac island]

For now, the strangest log I've read (Or read again) is EBDT_E110-111.LOG, maybe I'll get the answer later

>>ENC: Private encryption//SMC mail server
From:       Andrew Clinton B035
To:         Janson Davies A001
Date:       September 05th 2049
Subject:    Re: Found it
Attachment: g_schematics.pdf

Mr. Davies,

Sorry for the delay. Crazy busy. Blueprints attached. Est. construction time is 20 months. Drilling in August 2050.

Andrew Clinton B035
>>ENC://
>>EBDT FRAGMENT END

The log about Dauda is the one with Médecins sans frontières ?

And what exactly is the D-Lock Block Cipher ?

[lilac island]

Got my answer

While I'm reading, I still don't know if the main shaft and Garganta is the same thing, or two different things. It llok like that the main shaft and the iridium mine is here to hide garganta

[lilac island]

Also, during the Log 33IO6.LOG

[devout geyser]

garganta is the complex, the main shaft is the elevator shaft we drop into every expedition

in the middle of garganta

and that log is their schematics/plans for the complex

[lilac island]

But at the beginning of some mission (Can't tell which rn), there is a floor of biomass at the bottom

[slim fractal]

could have filled the holes drilled by the moles

there could be more shafts too, would explain through expeditions

[lilac island]

It's more likely, but I think it's strange, there is hole inside the facility ? And when you watch around the start, there is always ruins of the facility, If I remember well, there is no clean cut in the rocks

(There things that I can't explain by word because my english is so bad)

But the spike around the spawn, it seems it was made by the bottom, not by a drill

By an explosion or something

[slim fractal]

there was an explosion, could have been from the one that started the lock down

and since there were many vertical shafts made by the moles it would make sense

could also have been from biomass moving up through the complex

[lilac island]

So, the pit from which we came at the begenning of the mission isn't the main shaft, but how can we explain the installation at the surface ?

[devout geyser]

we know there are multiple shafts from the expeditions with forward extractions

[slim fractal]

wdym instalation

its probably how they brought people down

[lilac island]

The what ?

[devout geyser]

but i think the elevator is the main shaft, the biomass was just an aesthetic thing for the game

[slim fractal]

and moved hsu's

its just an elevator

whos gonna walk 1km+ stairs

also large shafts for an operation like that would be good for logistics

[lilac island]

the main shaft is an elevator, but not the pit where we descending, I don't think it is

[slim fractal]

you can move large amounts of material through a wide opening

its one of the shafts

the one we spawn from doesnt need to be the same one every time

theres probably multiple of them

and if we keep going down the pit has to be a shaft that was widened

probably from the explosion

a cable cant just make bends

[lilac island]

You think the shaft we are descending have been originally made by a drill, and after widen by an explosion ?

[slim fractal]

yes

doesnt make sense to make them afterwards

how would they do that and find a pit

[lilac island]

But how could we explain that every pit have been widen by an explosion ?

[slim fractal]

the complex blew up...

Auto-Gen Network Status Reoprt

[lilac island]

But every of them ? It should have collapsed already (Which could probably append when you read the last log)

The explosion should have really massive

[slim fractal]

i dont think they would have collapsed

probably looked for oxygen to spread and since theres zone doors it couldnt reach the whole complex

and only the area with the shafts got affected as it travelled upward

[lilac island]

If it was powerful enough to widen that much every pit, in hundred of meter thought the shafts, I think it should have, you have signe of this explosion at only 200 meter depth, but also at 800 meter and more

[slim fractal]

did you read all of the logs?

[lilac island]

Why ?

[slim fractal]

it goes down really far

[lilac island]

more than 2000 yes

[slim fractal]

and also, the explosion probably wasnt as strong coming up

its also a game and needs to have liberty in what it does

[lilac island]

That's were the lore limits are, what is for the game purpose and what is not

Because if it wasn't that strong, for the upper level, the starting room can be a little damaged and for the lowest, very damaged

But actually they are all damaged the same

[slim fractal]

probably so they dont have to redo assets and make all new tiles for different depths

we're still in EA

[lilac island]

Probably

[slim fractal]

and the team is small

[lilac island]

But one big question is :
What caused the explosion?

[slim fractal]

faultline

most likely

[lilac island]

Don't know what it is

[slim fractal]

earthquake

[lilac island]

Oh, ok

But an explosion ? One of the reactor explode du to an earthquake ?

[slim fractal]

i thought you read the logs?

[lilac island]

Still yes

I know it's an explosion

But the exact reason of that explosion

The earthquake could be one of the cause, but alone it can't make an explosion

Except is some gaz are released

[slim fractal]

probably severed services

[lilac island]

What exactly is the Hearsay system ? A private system of communication with the surface ? Or totally something else ?

[finite vine]

I think it is just a system to record messages

[lilac island]

In a log, Davies seem to say it's much more important

And during R4C1 Schaeffer seems to try to make it work but it doesn't

[finite vine]

I mean what else could it be besides a system to record messages and communicate with other terminals around the complex.

[devout geyser]

it’s for recording messages and interviews and probably spying on conversations too

[lilac island]

You are probably right, after all the name is litteraly Hear what's he say

[cunning light]

Another log appeared in the Corrupted folder, HIST-D22-K.LOG

1 day, 6 hours

[nocturne kindle]

This thread is so long and hard to keep up with- is there anywhere that shows some collected lore in a more concise arrangement?

[royal finch]

You could use youtube-

i've seen many youtube videos explaining in depth GTFO lores

its much less confusing lmao

[placid basin]

Wiki

[placid basin]

GTFO 👀