gtfo-lore

[golden hamlet]

the one between 68 and 70

i cant say more.

[devout geyser]

[golden hamlet]

that would be thought crime

[worthy cove]

why you looking at something you are not supposed to look at

[quiet lagoon]

what is the black stuff in the ceiling of c levels in r4?

[broken mason]

charger lasangna

but we dont know exactly what it is

[upbeat frost]

what does tumor contain in them (cuz they're moving), and why are they so important to the bosses

[twilit girder]

to be discovered

[manic shuttle]

READ THE DESCRIPTION!

[real pewter]

congratulation, you fucked the guy AGAIN

people are just... don't know how to read isn't it

[manic shuttle]

READ

[heavy lodge]

Oh... ":thonk_spin: gif here"

deleted :/

[manic shuttle]

:tapshead:

[dreamy spire]

[zenith lance]

I would love to however...

[zenith lance]

Also we need a sea cucumber emote

[cosmic python]

So what exactly is the "thing" the sleepers slap us with? Could it be their reproduction organ? I mean it looks like they carry eggs in their stomach and maybe they use the long "tube" to transfer the eggs into something else...how do the mothers produce eggs, you know?

[dim scroll]

if you mean babies, they come from their mouth

No idea about how the babies are made inside the mother though

Regarding the tongue, it feels like it's their whole intestine

[lilac island]

the tongue i think inhabits their intestines, as you can see that their intestines are distended

[dim scroll]

oh yeah i forgot their intestines are displayed outside

[upbeat frost]

there some teeth in them too

[worthy flower]

definitely looks like they could succ like lampreys on the complexes piping

[upbeat frost]

It's still a mystery how the shooters eat

[surreal lark]

I mean they do have a face

But I don't know if their mouth is functional

[upbeat frost]

they don't have eating organs from what I see

Striker type got tongues

[manic shuttle]

You'are seeing the mouth in that picture

[real pewter]

if you cut that tongue out, it's a snatcher

you're welcome

[upbeat frost]

oh, I wonder can strikers bite tho

[worthy flower]

sometimes i wonder if the mouth is simply an armored garage for the tongue.

[real flax]

Perhaps they used their teeth first, which would explain all the shredded bodies and bodyparts from the Sanantonian employees, but then developed the tentacles when they encountered the prisoners, as it gives them range.
If one applies the theory that mothers and tanks are armored as a result of the sleepers being shot by the prisoners, and developed the armor as a result, it could be something similar to that

[dim scroll]

Actually i wonder if they're in a hibernation state, thus don't need to eat as long as they sleep

[civic pelican]

that's a well-timed screenshot, i must say

[faint latch]

ant boy

[gusty vault]

shooters still have fully formed faces, albiet mangled to shit. They can probably still eat

[candid garden]

how do they go to the bathroom?

[gilded vine]

through the cracks in the floor 😳

[gusty vault]

Floodways

[real flax]

The fog is just sleeper farts

[blazing haven]

u make my world a nightmare i was talking about how i like sniffing the fog last game.I been sniffing Sleeper Farts da faq

[real flax]

then my work here is complete

[lilac island]

so does that mean the spitters are sleeper's ass?

[real flax]

@lilac island could be

[lilac island]

😳

[low leaf]

I wonder if there is a doc somewhere with the biggest theories 🤔

[wanton creek]

im

[solemn star]

Has anyone translated this cipher? https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/gtfo_gamepedia_en/images/3/3b/R3C1_Log.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20200614081228

Ahhh I see

[worthy flower]

@solemn star
yeah i uhh, tried a while back, its just not anything real. here's the spaget anyway though cause i went through the effort of trying.
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[red steppe]

decode: ogogoaoobbobogogaoaoa awoooga

[solemn star]

I respect the dedication clay. I would not have had patience to do that 😂

[devout geyser]

lol on the wiki i just put [corrupted]

its just random symbols

[graceful frost]

chimps aren't carnivorous so there isn't anything to discuss

[dreamy spire]

if you starve a chimp enough he might go ravenous though

right?

[flat halo]

No

[surreal lark]

yes monke hungree

eat human

[graceful frost]

Why would they starve? There's plenty of vegetation in the complex

[dreamy spire]

because

there is an impostor among us

[lilac island]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/635880894342889502/809744534673293322/d0c_mapper.gif

this is lore

[lilac island]

So uh what exactly is going on in GTFO? Mainly with the prisoners

Well, first with the Prisoners

[shadow igloo]

More or less completely unknown

Basically the complex is a mining facility. Or at least that was the cover story. Its located in the chixiclub crater(dino killer asteroid crater) and along side its sister site garganta are major sources of irridium. At some point in the past it succumbed to an infestation of vaugely human creatures of unknown origin. Now the prisoners, of which at least one is likely a former employee of the sites owner company santorian. Are being sent in by an entity called the warden to fill work orders toward an unknown goal.

That said, has anybody theorized about any potential signifigance to the fact one of thr sleeper poses is very similar to praying?

[real pewter]

that's already discuss

way about Alpha

[shadow igloo]

wasnt around for alpha, i joined for rundown one

[red oasis]

Lmao

[lilac island]

I did notice a lot of the enemies when passive take the positions as if they're praying

[random hinge]

Cthulhu confirmed

[high ingot]

I thought all of them had confirmed origins with the facility or at least three of them?

[shadow igloo]

to be fair, that was just a summary of what i know of. so theres likely quite a bit i missed

[high ingot]

That's understandable, and you know more then me.

Is there a pinned message or Google doc with all the info we have?

[shadow igloo]

theres at least one youtube video out there. but last i knew its only up to date as of rundown 3. i can try and find it for you

[high ingot]

Please, that would be nice.

[shadow igloo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4IwQnPXO0A

[high ingot]

Thank you.

[wide oak]

I never saw it as praying and instead saw it as them resting their head on their hands cuz they're sleeping

[high ingot]

I've also seen it as more of a resting position than anything else. Gives them the ability to up and move quickly but they aren't using a bunch of muscle to hold themselves up.

[shadow igloo]

It is, it only goes up to r3. But its enough for a basic summary

[shadow igloo]

Its def praying, i'll get a screenshot next time i notice it

[worthy flower]

recognize the efficiency of the slav squat as described by Boris

[shadow igloo]

Judging by the logs. It seems it may be a mutagen virus. Its at thd very least a pathogen

"We have launched a task force to investigate reports of a virus spreading among workers at the lower depths. While we have found some isolated cases, the outbreak is mostly contained and cases are limited to a small, more vulnerable subset of our workforce. Despite what you may have heard, the situation is very much under control. The vast majority of you should fear no threat from the virus, and indeed will likely be asymptomatic. The NAM-V virus poses no threat to you, or to your health."

"While the NAM-V virus is still new to us and we have much to learn about it, any claims that the virus can cause depression, self-harm, or any disturbing psychotic episodes are misleading and incorrect. You have nothing to fear from the NAM-V."

Also with the schaeffer logs, what do you think the odds are we go rouge in future rundowns

[worthy flower]

I still cant accept the virus logs as anything other than rona shitposts.

I dont think anyone will go rogue until Schaeffer is dead

[shadow igloo]

Best lead we got to be honest. It is possible its a red herring but until we get information pointing to otherwise

I doubt we'll end up killing shaeffer tbh. He does seem wildly unhinged though so who knows

I guess it depends on if the prisoners are loyal to the warden or want to escape.

Maybe schaeffer goals will take the place of the bulkheads in r5. Who knows

[royal gull]

I don't understand. Do you mean that the related nam-v logs found in R4A3/B3/C3 were only an easy lore-wise opportunity to include an infection ? Or something else ?

[lilac island]

Oh no

[broken mason]

we may have already killed him ,or attempted to; opening floodgates and such

[shadow igloo]

Nah, i scincerely doubt it. That would be a legendary waste of time, and potential setting him up and making the logs just to kill him and leave the loose tie unresolved.

I refuse to believe the writers are that incompetent given how good the rest of the game is. It would be final season of GoT level fuckery

Its in the name of the rundown for godsake. "Contact" who else could it refer to. And why go to the effort if your not going to use it

[broken mason]

he could still go further in the lore, he doesent need to be alive

[shadow igloo]

I realize that response comes off pretty hostile. But i'd actually be angry if thats the route they take after all this setup

[broken mason]

premade logs, equipment stashes, links to truth AM and other places

I would be ok with it provided they still did something with him

[shadow igloo]

The idea just gives me a distinct feeling of what even was the point then? Ya know

[broken mason]

true, we'll just have to see how it plays out

[shadow igloo]

I'd be okay with him dieing as long as we get at least one rundown of working with him to get an actual plot rolling. The small hints of a bigger picture are neat. But the game cant survive on intrigue forever me thinks

Eventually people will get sick of the drip feeding. Especially with the long dev time between run downs

[broken mason]

yeah prolly

[solemn star]

If he dies then he dies. He may not be the first, or the last. He kinda talks like hes schizophrenic too. But yeah I don't think its a virus. Just seems like a nod to covid (in a bad way obviously).

[shadow igloo]

The virus logs allude to the virus causing mental instability and psychotic episodes

We also have a mental stability "stat" post game and on launch

[solemn star]

Could just be another part of the issues within the complex. In the logs you can hear coughing from the one patient too if I remember correctly. I don't think its directly responsible for the creatures however

[shadow igloo]

Who knows. Again strongest lead we have at this point. And the fact we have infection + the mental eval reading at least alludes to it being a mechanic in the future

[broken mason]

I think NAM-V is prolly an actual story element, especially seeing as the devs said they didnt intend for R2 'infection' to coincide with covid

[shadow igloo]

The mental issues in the sites have been a plot point since r1 iirc

[solemn star]

Honestly I dont think the virus is a strong lead on it at all. If anything our strongest leads are this https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/gtfo_gamepedia_en/images/c/c7/R4C2_Log_2.png/revision/latest?cb=20201113000933

I asked my friend who is going through med school what all of these chemicals are and he said this. Will screen shot in a second

[broken mason]

bunch of nervous system stuff innit

for making new tissue within an hsu maybe?

[shadow igloo]

Well the virus originated at garganta. Not the yucatan site. And the data centre implies to me a huge amount of processing power. Which is weird for a mine. So likely there is a lab of some kind in the complex. Santonian was also eager to help solve the virus issue.

The complex was probably part of the vaccine research initiative. And it escaped at some point.

[broken mason]

we have lab tilesets

[solemn star]

^

[broken mason]

mine must have been mining as well as R&D

[shadow igloo]

Oh yeah i remember surgery tables

The virus does clearly effect the nervous system

[solemn star]

https://gtfo.gamepedia.com/Locations

[shadow igloo]

Perhaps santonian decided to play god and accelerate the virus's effects with the growth chemicals

There are also sleepers in tubes as decorative sets iirc

[broken mason]

doubt it

[solemn star]

To me parasite seems much more likely

[broken mason]

from what i understand of cells viruses would not respond to those hormones the same way a real cell would

[shadow igloo]

But if the virus inducing cancer like mutations

[twilit girder]

what could force the intestines to push out of their face to eat directly with it

[broken mason]

parasite is interesting tho, its like it turns the whole body into a platyhelminithes with teeth

basically morphing the body halfway into something else

[shadow igloo]

Whatever it was, santonian knew about before the fall. And they where at the very least fucking with both in the same labs

[broken mason]

i wonder if you can do that via viruses, change genetic code that much

[solemn star]

Personally I dont think those are intestines in there anymore. Looks like its more likely to be part of the parasite if anything. Because I dont see any other organs when you smack a sleeper. Only egg like things

[twilit girder]

viruses inject their ARN

[shadow igloo]

Look up crspr. Anything is possible. Especially 30 years in the future

[twilit girder]

that change the ADN of the affected user

[broken mason]

oh yeah you can do it manually sure, but can you get a virus to do it

[shadow igloo]

Maybe they did

[twilit girder]

if you work with a virus to make the genetic modification, then yes?

[broken mason]

oh shit i just realised there were talks of using viruses to disseminate genes into pests to make them sterile several generations later

perhaps santonian tried to do this but make their workers more productive or someshit

[shadow igloo]

Arent some virus's associated with increased risk of certain cancers? Or am i crazy

[twilit girder]

yes

[broken mason]

very likely, damn anything causes cancer

[twilit girder]

THE HPV is a sexually transmitted disease that put the patients at higher chances of cancer

[shadow igloo]

You get cancer several times a day. Usually its non viable and the cell dies or your body catches it

Cancer is the standard risk of cell division

[broken mason]

yes

which is in turn caused by any cell damage

[solemn star]

I think its less about cancer, and more about the chemicals stimulating growth in general, based on what they were put into. Its possible though

[broken mason]

yes

[shadow igloo]

Well if the virus causes non viable mutations, and they where trying to stimulate growth of non viable cells. Its likely the two combined accelerated something the virus didnt normally do. Out of control

[solemn star]

If I had to guess, probably trying to grow a parasite inside a human. Seeing how it turned out, and then modifying it until it is viable. How it spreads (if it spreads) is beyond me. I think its probably a big parasite that spreads the eggs to humans.

[shadow igloo]

The mental degradation, combined with rapid cancerous growth could do some nasty things to a person

[broken mason]

I'm kind of of the mind that humans become the parasite rather than being infected

[shadow igloo]

The prisoners can get infected, but arent treated with the hormones so dont become sleepers. But say if the worker population where treated at some point say in an aresolized form. Like the fog

The only thing that gets me is i doubt mutations on the level of the creatures is accidental. It has to be designed

[solemn star]

Well yeah, I think there is no doubt that its human experimentation with what we have seen in the labs. And neonates, plus hsu's

[shadow igloo]

I end this minirant with the point a pretty major company that has its hands in everything. Likely including santonian. Was also getting into genetic manipulation. Being responsible for the corn in the radio show

[solemn star]

You know, I think its possible its more than one product. Maybe not solely a parasite, maybe not solely a virus, maybe not solely a form of cancer. Its a possibility to be more than one

[broken mason]

Dreyfus does seem to have fingers in every honeypot

[wide oak]

That brings up the question of what exactly Dreyfus does for Santonian, or how the companies are related

[solemn star]

Well a megacorp just wants profit and power right? So why not have a majority share in every company?

[broken mason]

I'm pretty sure santonion was one of Dreyfus many puppet companies or brands

[shadow igloo]

Im leaning toward Nam-V being manipulated to cause specific mutations. Then being forced into overdrive with accelerated reproduction of the resulting cancer cells. Now not nessicarily humans. What if the modified virus was injected into lamprey?

Theres your parasite

[broken mason]

Mayyyybe

[shadow igloo]

The tounges do resemble lamprey. They even have the teeth

[solemn star]

We have plenty of examples of companies in the real world doing really shitty things to make money, so if they have a pretty straight forward reasoning.

Question is why go through the trouble of making a virus when you could just do genetic modification in general and allow it to reproduce on its own?

Look at the mother, the thing shits out sleepers for a living

[broken mason]

Virus is faster

[shadow igloo]

I dont think they made the virus to be honest. I think it was a legit outbreak at garganta. They just took advantage

[broken mason]

People may only have 2 children, but if you are infecting 5 people per person infected it in real business, also viruses cause changes in the living population

[shadow igloo]

Also a virus does spread quickly. Nam-v being new. There was no natural resistance. Easy fire and forget

[solemn star]

Maybe not the original virus though. But if they did take advantage of it they made it into what is was

[broken mason]

Probably possible, they have the tools and the motive

[solemn star]

Anything is possible to be honest lmao

[broken mason]

Yeah we don't know enough about gtfo science

[solemn star]

Based on what I think, this thing right here puts eggs into people

[shadow igloo]

I think were on to something at least. Either is a better guess than alien parasite off ancient asteroid lmao

[broken mason]

I also think we got somewhere here

[shadow igloo]

The devs did already say its not aliens iirc. So it makes sense it was made right here in the complex from existing earth life

[solemn star]

where did they say that?

[shadow igloo]

Dont have a source anymore. Read it months back here in the discord

[solemn star]

Then I'd still take it with a grain of salt

Not to dismiss it, just don't want to assume anything

[shadow igloo]

Found the qoute here https://gtfo.gamepedia.com/Enemies

[solemn star]

ah cool

[wide oak]

I don't remember where it was said, but I know that when they were coming up with the concepts for the monsters the design philosophy was something like "they're not zombies, not aliens, we don't know what they are but they're disgusting"

[broken mason]

Yes

[solemn star]

I think aliens is a bit broad though, just because it isnt aliens doesnt mean they didnt find something in that crater that had life in it.

[shadow igloo]

It says to me it originates from earth. Whatever these are. They are earthlings at their core

[broken mason]

Possible, do viruses disintegrate or dehydrate at all?

Alien virus, human hosts?

[shadow igloo]

The heat from atmospheric entry plus the impact would likely destroy anything on the asteroid

[broken mason]

Maybe the virus was chillin in the rock and some worker breathed it in through dust

[shadow igloo]

Virus's are protines that can denature

[broken mason]

Prolly ay

[solemn star]

But what about alien viruses 😏

jk lmao

[broken mason]

Hmmmmm

RNA would be too different surely

[shadow igloo]

Chixuclub being the location is probably a red herring. The complex and garganta are irridium mines which the areas are rich in. Probably nothing more than that

[broken mason]

Likely

[shadow igloo]

Plus if it was alien and dormant down there. It wouldnt be adapted to interface with human cells

It would need to evolve along side us

[broken mason]

Yes

[solemn star]

Oh heres kinda a thought

Maybe not explicitly for what the cause is, but the drugs cause unregulated cell growth, and the game does explicitly mention tumors. Benign tumors are abnormal growths that serve no purpose (ala google) So I think its obvious the heavy mutations are due to the drugs

[wide oak]

What was so important about iridium again?

[solemn star]

hard drives baby!

[shadow igloo]

Theres that other log that mentions anchient civs experiencing mass deaths due to disease following fault lines opening up in the same general area

[broken mason]

Iridium started being used in a large companies hard drives cuz it was waaaaay faster and the price for iridium made it immensely profitable to mine

[shadow igloo]

Something like 7000$ an ounce right?

[solemn star]

@wide oak https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/gtfo_gamepedia_en/images/d/d5/R4B2_Log.png/revision/latest?cb=20201113000817

[broken mason]

Something like that I think

[shadow igloo]

Wow i was way off lol

[broken mason]

$2863

[solemn star]

This is also gtfo timeline. Which is far in the future. So estimated values in our time will surely be off

[shadow igloo]

True, inflation and all

[solemn star]

or value

[shadow igloo]

Both likely

[solemn star]

Still have yet to find why malachite and variscite are important

if they are even important that is

[broken mason]

Might just be mentioned cuz b levels are green lul

[shadow igloo]

Sounds like random names to me. Doesnt really fall in line with rundowns theme. But i wont discredit any signifigance

[wide oak]

So Santonian dug out the Chicxulub crater for Iridium and used that space to make a research facility for scary viruses

[broken mason]

Basically

[solemn star]

Maybe its a red herring but it feels off to mention outside of the fact that its a mining company.

[shadow igloo]

The virus was already infecting the mines. Makes sense to build the lab there to keep it there

[wide oak]

WUH OH

[shadow igloo]

Especially if your experimenting with using it to make monsters

[solemn star]

I hope r5 brings us a slightly more definitive answer to causes

[broken mason]

Yes please lol

[shadow igloo]

Dreyfus again had its hands in everything. Think they could be making them as part of some kind of defense contract?

[solemn star]

Because we can ponder for months about the causation and never come up with anything substantial other than "oh well it could be"

Yeah they have no use other than decorative shit. They are currently useless otherwise, except for malachite making a form of copper from when I looked at it. Loosely what I remember, so dont quote me. So if they do have value why

[wide oak]

Y'know, what if we do meet Schaeffer in R5? How's that gonna work? Are we gonna come across an NPC?

[broken mason]

Glass

[solemn star]

Honestly I hope we dont meet an npc

[wide oak]

Yeah imagine an escort mission

[solemn star]

I'd rather not. WoW has scarred me

[wide oak]

There's absolutely no way they're doing an escort mission but the thought terrifies me regardless

[shadow igloo]

Now that i think about it more though. The wardens role in all this? Where is santonian now? Why is everything automated and why is the warden reliant on prisoners. Youd think santonian would have more interest in securing their investment

[broken mason]

We can't have access to Schaeffer cuz we'll just mag dump him lol

[wide oak]

I thought the whole idea was to keep it under wraps to make sure the fact the facility is infested with monsters never reaches the public

[shadow igloo]

Think its name is literal? Not as a prison keeper. But as a caretaker ai for the complex?

[worthy cove]

we actually have escort mission

[wide oak]

Schaeffer sentry, new r5 weapon

[broken mason]

Looking carefully at some dialogue we are pretty sure it's a group of people

[solemn star]

I think we will better understand that once we get a more in depth time line. If we are playing 50 years into the future of the events in the facilities then a lot of questions get raised

[wide oak]

Targets Schaeffer exclusively

[broken mason]

True it gets the Frame halo on it

[shadow igloo]

Even with labs in the facility the data centre is more in line with a super computer. Thats a ton of power for simple data storage from research.

Plus its logo is seen on some of the most heavily secured doors in the facility. Couple that with its seemingly intimate knowledge and familiarity with the systems. Including subsurface coms

[solemn star]

We call them warden doors. Their actual name is apex doors im pretty sure

[wide oak]

^

[shadow igloo]

Tbe warden doors have the same symbol as the avatar of the warden bot this server had

Odd choice to choose that for its avatar before they ever showed in game

[broken mason]

We still have warden bot

[solemn star]

Yes and they since changed it because people like us doing this

[shadow igloo]

Guess i forgot then

[solemn star]

https://i.imgur.com/aAVR8bY.jpg

[shadow igloo]

The facility is decaying. And it likely has limited control. And needs human intervention at points as a failsafe

You dont give ai's full unrestricted access. Thats just asking for skynet

[solemn star]

The warden could just be some sort of dystopian police force too. Forcing the guilty to go down and investigate their mess. Far fetched but I like my own theories

[shadow igloo]

Unreliable narrator i know but schaeffer and every other direct mention of it i can think of refers to the warden as the. Singular

[solemn star]

Names of organizations don't have to be plural

[wide oak]

Do you think the government knows about what happened in the facility?

I thought that the warden was trying to keep it a secret, so he sent down random dudes that already had some connection to the company instead of actual trained soldiers

[solemn star]

I feel like its most likely a megacorp controls the world. So if dreyfus owns countries then chances are yes.

[broken mason]

Not likely, Dreyfus prolly pulls some pretty big strings

[shadow igloo]

What i mean is the warden is probably not meant to have access to those systems. And needs to brute force. The failsafe being a human staff needed for certain systems

[wide oak]

So Dreyfus is trying to hide this from the government, that seems a lot more plausible

[shadow igloo]

Again the facility is decaying. If systems have gone offline it would have no way of knowing the status if certain locations. Hard drives and data storage can fail.

Outside connections are cut based on the screens in the data centre. So the warden would be reliant on potentially damaged or destroyed local memory

[wide oak]

R4A1

[broken mason]

We could be back many years after the sleeper incident

[solemn star]

Thats what I'm thinking

[rich blaze]

I don't think Dreyfus could keep the problem under wrap, the governement must be in it imho

[solemn star]

We do have to do uplinks on key terminals to an IP, could be the way to retrieve information

[rich blaze]

You cannot just make thousands of people disappear without someone in the gov asking questions

[wide oak]

If the government was in on it, they'd send proper soldiers

[rich blaze]

They'd have to explain why they use soldiers for it

[wide oak]

Maybe they trained Santonian employees?

Rudimentary training

[solemn star]

Why use soldiers when you could use a disposable lot of prisoners instead. Thats a lot of people you need to keep quiet especially if they are professionals. Better if they die so they cant talk after

[rich blaze]

Also, as for the warden not being an AI
The intro confirms it
The AI is actually saying we should retire, and SOMETHING overrides it

[shadow igloo]

If the data centre also doubles as the wardens processing core. It very well could exist solely within the complex.

And if it was a caretaker ai it wouldnt need to know about cold storage. Just systems relevant to its duties. Like life support, power, and atmospheric conditions like we see. Anything else it would need to force its way into. Or require us to set up connections for it like the uplink terminals

Also keep in mind all of its communications are more like code than how a human would speak. We know it can send audio data in text form through the cut off transmisions. So it likely cant talk

The garbled beeping ish noise?

[solemn star]

I don't know if that is the warden talking as much as it's radio playbacks from other expeditions

[shadow igloo]

Got a link?

[rich blaze]

I definitely wrote reports that would sound like the warden in term of Phrasing

[solemn star]

Could just be flair then. Need ambient sounds.

[shadow igloo]

Thats just an automated eval system. The warden is us overriding it and sending the prisoners down anyway

At least in the rundown menu context

[solemn star]

I mean I don't think it explicitly needs to JUST be AI. There could be a team (maybe a sector of dreyfus) used as a task force in conjunction with an AI.

So many things in this game dont need to be simplified to one thing. It can be more than one.

[shadow igloo]

I still feel likd we'd be better armed and equiped than half a bag of ammo and some rsmshacle wrapons if it was backed by corporate

Whoever/whatever the warden is. Were all its got

[solemn star]

Once again, why use expensive shit, when you could just use cheap disposable shit that is likely to be as expendable as the prisoners themselves? Theyre not trained professionals like they said in the doc

[wide oak]

So whoever's sending us down is doing it against their will?

[shadow igloo]

A sentient ai could be considered an individual. Once its making informed decisions based on its own perogative. Its no longer just an object/construct

[shadow igloo]

Against our will. Were prisoners, the complex is our prison. Its our warden

[wide oak]

Ah there we go

[solemn star]

Would you willingly go on a suicide mission? Im being a bit cheeky but its the same principle

[wide oak]

And why just a team of four?

[shadow igloo]

Only 4 hsu's on the drop cage

It has room for 4 + cargo

[wide oak]

Good stuff

[shadow igloo]

Them can refer to a single person though

[solemn star]

Just as the warden can be a name for an organization as I said before

[shadow igloo]

Especially being followed up with a singular term

[wide oak]

I don't think it's sending random prisoners down, I know it might be because 10CC has only designed four guys but maybe there's a reason it's the same four every time
The trailer suggests that kinda

[shadow igloo]

Wasnt it "isnt" i'd have to go back and check

[wide oak]

Dauda talking about "waking up" after supposedly dying, like it was a bad dream

[shadow igloo]

Could be a reaction to repeated Hydrostasis. Could fuck with memory formation

[wide oak]

What do you mean? I thought the trailer was implying every death was canon

Though that wouldn't make sense, the facility resets every time

[solemn star]

There is neural interfaces that you inject every time you boot the game.

[wide oak]

Resets every death, I mean

[shadow igloo]

The dream state specifically. My b. Its implied we go right back into hydrostasis imediately after each expedition. That cycle of short stasis followed by short periods of awake. Coupled with exposure to a virus that fucks with the mind

The memories of the prisoners cant be taken as gosple.

[wide oak]

Ah right, they are very very unstable after all

[shadow igloo]

Probably three. Schaeffer implies were a new group after his died

[wide oak]

For representation theory, there's one thing for and against it

The warden constantly talks about prisoners being expendable, so it makes sense that there'd be a lot of different guys

But if every death is canon, why aren't all the doors destroyed/opened already when you come down if another group of prisoners have been here before?

[shadow igloo]

I dunno, the warden seems distinctly inhuman to me. Plus whatever it is. Its not operating with the blessing of corporate. Its very clear were all its got. And what we can scavenge is all weve got

It cant even spare a full set of full mags reserve space

[wide oak]

Also

I have problems believing these prisoners are scavengers or trying to survive

[shadow igloo]

Every gun ends up with less than a full mag if you dont reload at all before running dry

[wide oak]

Woods has a sleeping bag I think? But it's right back to hydrostasis after an expedition

Also, it seems like there are multiple cage drop spots

[shadow igloo]

Probably left overs from thd original concept when we where scaving things to sell

[wide oak]

Maybe when we're in hydrostasis, the warden attaches us to another cage and drops us in

But then man there are a LOT of giant holes ripped right through the facility

Did the warden do that? These seem both incredibly ramshackle but also intentionally designed

[shadow igloo]

No, it almost looks like something dug up. Maybe those biomasses we see starting in C level

Theres one in the bottom of the drop pot of c1

[wide oak]

Yeah I saw a biomass in C3

[shadow igloo]

Did you notice how parts of the facility seem to have been built over/around pits that damaged the facility?

I remember a bridge crossing one in a c level

[wide oak]

There's the end of C1 and there's A1 extreme but I don't think that counts

[shadow igloo]

It might be the end of c1 im thinking of

[last bridge]

B3 has it

[shadow igloo]

Evidence points too the fall being a slow process at least. Santonian knew about everything and continued anyway

[wide oak]

Corporations, man

[shadow igloo]

Then just abandoned the base

Dropped everything and left

The hsu's still contain survivors

Its why i stand by the warden being a caretaker ai. On its own having to make due with just us

[real flax]

I do believe I remember the last terminal uplink on R2B3 said something about security being breached. I always assumed the constant R2C2 alarm was because (lorewise) we triggered something in a previous mission.

[broken mason]

that or warden is big brain and every mission is a distraction for something else

[real flax]

The sleepers are mutated frog people.
There is a frog that has translucent skin, and you can see its heart and stomach. Kind of like how the sleeping sleepers react when you alert them, you can see and hear their hearts beat.
If this translucency would mutate, thats how we get shadows.
Frogs can stop their hearts completely while hibernating and even survive being frozen. Much like the state we find the sleepers in.
The mother births dozens of baby sleepers at a time. And in several levels, there are the tumors, that like on the mother, moves like something is inside them. Frogs lay hundreds of eggs. Plus the sleepers are filled with pods when you split them open, maybe a less effective way of procreating than a mother spawn.
A male frog can latch onto a female to fertilize her eggs, and the mother seems to be two humans merged together, which we talked about earlier in the lore channel.
Strikers have those long tongues, just like a frog. And the sounds they make is like a croaking frog.
Just waiting for them to start jumping around.

[broken mason]

oh shit

Frog theory >>> Chimp theory

[royal gull]

At first I was like what happened to the lore section?, but this is actually interesting to read this much about frogs and sleepers

[shadow igloo]

Go back a day or two. We had some great theory crafting about the origin of the sleepers.

[mighty crest]

Did we rule out these sleepers can be made from the fact that iridium is radioactive

[dull notch]

||In D2 we see the room the tank spawns in is full of Santonian employees without shirts. why is this and why is the room after filled with neonates?||

[dense saffron]

I don't think those are santonian employees, but those are definitely what's inside the HSU's

[dull notch]

I need a picture of their uniform, I swear I saw insignia

well in any case, I wonder what happened

Its like they were experimenting with the herbs on the neonates and they mutated out of control

[hallow vault]

kinda looked like hospital gowns or something to me

[shadow igloo]

Def hospital gowns. Supports my experimentation theory

[hallow vault]

i was thinking it was a mass hospital or something

or maybe a quarantine facility, even

either way the room seems too small to adequately care for that amount of people

[high ingot]

I read within one of the pinned comments that the virus was "isolated" and "taken care of." So the quarantine idea is likely.

[rich blaze]

Iridium has radioisotopes like any other atom, which are radioactive, but most Iridium found naturally is stable and is split in two isotopes I193 and I191.
Most radioisotopes of Iridium have at Max an half life of 250 years, which would make it statisically almost nihil that some would happen to be detectable in the Chicxulub.
They also decay in things that a Mining company wouldn't ignore, like Rhenium Osmium and Platinium

[rich blaze]

To give you an idea of how improbable it would be, using this calculator which uses the half life decay formula https://www.calculator.net/half-life-calculator.html?type=1&nt=&n0=6513536590000000000000&t=65000000&t12=250&x=82&y=25
Using 65 000 000 Years with a 250 years half life (The best half life iridium radioisotope has).
Assuming that the metorite was basically 100% iridium radioisotope , and being a perfect sphere of the biggest diameter estimation for the Chixculub meteor (81km) and the Iridium density (22.5g), that means that of the flaming ball of Iridium (which would weight around 6 513 536 590 000 000 Tons) falling there, there would still statisically be none left by the time we get here. So considering it probably was not 100% iridium nor a 81km diameter sphere, I think we can discard it safely

[solemn star]

I think its likely that a ton of people in the facility were aware that whatever they were growing inside the neonates, and fostered to its final mutation got out. So they all ran to that spot and promptly got slaughtered.

Where they were is probably where they did some experimentation and tried figuring out what they could do mutation wise

[broken mason]

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[coarse moat]

Got it, thanks.

[weary cliff]

okay this is something i noticed when me and the boys were playing on C3 - Cuernos, and i only caught this because funnily enough i had just started the endocrine system garbage in my anatomy class, but the objective is to collect some vials of glucagon hormones for the warden, and now i'm just plain curious about what the hell the warden needs with that sort of stuff, since glucagon is basically the opposite of insulin and we were required to collect insulin-like growth factors from a prior mission (that i can't remember)

[broken mason]

we are all curious lmao

R5 and full release = a complete mystery

(not to say they are coming together but damn takin a while)

[still ether]

im fine with waiting longer if it means it is done as well as they say it will be

[fervent lagoon]

if r5 isnt full release (which it most likely isnt) there is a good chance that r6 will be 1.0 👀

[hasty pier]

doubt

[fallow canyon]

what version is it on now?

[still ether]

i wonder how much replay-ability will be in the final release

[hasty pier]

i don't think the version number is significant

there's just so much on the backlog that i don't see resolved in 2 rundowns

1.0 is obv going to be full release

isn't the game in .56 anyways?

not sure how they would go from .56 to 1.0 in 2 rundowns

[lilac island]

so you see

[hasty pier]

that would be a very large jump

hm, you're right

r2-r3 was 0.18 - 0.25 though

not sure if there is a trend that we can extrapolate to find the full release date

unless r5 is significantly larger than i'm expecting, i'd imagine the game's full release will get pushed into the first half of 2022

[fervent lagoon]

thats because r3 was rushed and not great

if i had to guess r6 will probably be around november

it is a possibility there are no more delays

[dreamy spire]

theyre probably gonna have another summer vacation is my guess so id say december late

[fervent lagoon]

depends how big r5 is

[dreamy spire]

drue

[worthy flower]

throughout this rundown the warden has been having us collect various similar medications, among growth accelerators and inhibitors.

the warden is making something nasty from the sleepers.

we specifically have GLP and OSIPs from objectives, the rest have been mentioned in logs

[solemn star]

So this is something else that might peak your interest. This is all one order so I think it's safe to say that they were growing things in the neonates https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/gtfo_gamepedia_en/images/c/c7/R4C2_Log_2.png/revision/latest?cb=20201113000933
Long story short they are all growth stimulators that allow cell growth even if it isnt viable. And tumors are (ala google)
'a swelling of a part of the body, generally without inflammation, caused by an abnormal growth of tissue, whether benign or malignant.'

So pretty much I think we can make an educated guess that the neonates were being used to grow things like the mother and tank because they specifically have tumors on their back.

If I had to guess the warden needs to get samples of the drugs we need to collect for some sort of verification. It could be for a ton of reasons depending on what you think the warden does.

[weary cliff]

i especially find it funny how i was in the middle of doing some homework garbage and my friends invited me to play gtfo, i get on and see the mission objective and it's like "hey wait i just read about that like 3 minutes ago"

[gusty wagon]

about your last sentences, i think the warden could definitely be attempting to replicate the conditions of growth for the mothers and etc., or the flesh masses on the cielings seen in C levels
because the neonates seem like well-equipped growth sims, they could probably simulate many, many variances of the underground conditions, or ones suspected of producing variant sleepers, or potentially harbouring live samples of the biomass or other things, rather than frozen samples taken from earlier levels. these biotics could have been extracted by previous prisoners and placed inside to be kept alive in a contained way, or conditions simulated over long periods that couldnt be reproduced in above ground labs to grow it naturally by exposure to spores or however they "plant" themselves

[solemn star]

I see it either as three ways:
1.) The warden is trying to cover up the catastrophe that happened in the facilities.
2.) What you said
3.) The warden is an investigative body trying to verify that there is direct evidence linking the situation with the other companies to hold them responsible

[lilac island]

only theory i've had for this is that we're grabbing some stuff that could be related to the neonate

[broken mason]

?

[lilac island]

i have questions on mother babies

normal sleepers have a host they build on, creating strikers, shooters, etc. But the mother’s babies, they don’t have any host foundation that they built on, Non parasitic, independant creatures.

my question is, what do they become once they grow? One theory i have is that these mother babies grow to be the giants. If the giants was created with a human host foundation, whatever the complex is infested with would require to be able to manifest bones, extra skin tissue, and blood vessels in order to turn a normal human into those towering beasts we see. Which is gonna be pretty difficult to achieve, and very time consuming. I think these babies just grow to be the giants, and this sleeper species’ normal size are giant level. The small ones were small because of the size limitations of aa human host

theory number two, they grow into not yet released types of enemies.
The mother form would probably take quite some time to mutate into. After a successful mutation, it would need to go through pregnancy, then release babies, which i doubt would’ve had a high survival rate judging from the lack of nutrient sources and unfamiliar environments. So the actual “pure” sleeper forms, without a host foundation would take lots of time to form and would be forming at the deeper parts of the complex, judging on how the deeper we go, the more heavily mutated these entities are. Once the rundowns go deep enough, we would start seeing creatures completely inhuman. absolutely no recognizable features.

actually scrap theory one, mothers clearly have a human foundation, but it’s been mutated beyond recognition, same goes for the tank. Whatever they are, they’re definitely capable of generating more organs and bone structure.

another question just came to mind, are the babies the mother spits out fully incubated? It looks like the mother spits them out in a hurry, a desperate attempt to either try and save whatever she’s carrying, or trying to save herself from dying by releasing them. if the babies were fully incubated and able to survive, why would she carry them? Is the mother’s baby caring technique similar to that of a kangaroo?

[solemn star]

I guess my only question is to your first point: Why do they have to be a host attached to a human being? They have such intense mutations that it could make sense for them to just be strictly from the mother and they just arent properly at term yet.

[lilac island]

I thought the sleepers were supposed to be former humans?

Under the assumptions that the big lumps on mothers and tanks back are cancer tumors, there must be some limit on how far the mutations could go on a human host
Sleeper turning/mutation and growth would probably cause cancer, since the amount of growth, extra tissue, etc wouldn't be exactly our bodies idea of normal

Ok the amount of questions im getting are getting out of hand: do the sleepers that have human hosts keep them technically alive or just consume them

I crave more info on their biology

[solemn star]

I mean we don

I mean we don't have an exact idea on their origin story yet, so its kind of all theory crafting. It could be anything for all we know.

[broken mason]

I crave something to lore about

[rich blaze]

As of now, there has been no physical evidence of the NAMV Virus on the affected people (cf. medical report), any idea on why it'd be the case, despite the flu like symptom?

[gilded vine]

Lore about why the Gavel is bad :^)

[broken mason]

Which people, the ones we see in the complex are half sleepers and the team aren't confirmed to be in the complex at time of outbreak

[rich blaze]

The workers before the event which prompted the shutdown, in the years 2052-2053

They suffered flu like symptoms and "wandered" yet the doctor in charge never found any physical evidence of it in the available reports

[broken mason]

Huh I didn't know that, perhaps the recovery time is so fast they are better by the time the doctor comes around?

Or doctor has incentive to say all is well even when it's bad

[rich blaze]

He clearly doesn't, considering he recommended to shift from 8 hours shift to 6 hours and said that around 8 thousand hours of production were lost, with loss of efficiency on those who remain.

[lilac island]

Ive noticed some strikers grab their head as if having a severe headache when they're woken up

[real flax]

Thats because their heads are split open...

[broken mason]

you might even say they are experiencing a headsplitting headache

[lilac island]

It seems skin tissue on sleepers are weaker than that of an average human
Considering how a prisoner can drive an entire hole through a giant's chest or remove the upper body of a striker with a hammer swing, whatever the people in the lab contracted, does it cause decay in the original skin? Or does it create newly grown tissue that's weaker than a human

[solemn star]

I mean if you look at the places you smack holes into, you can see it is clearly very different than the inside of a human in terms of body composition.

So whatever their flesh is im sure its not entirely human at all.

[graceful frost]

You're exactly right. It seems to be more comparable to a chimp mutation than a human one. Judging from the frequent appearance of plants and the variants within the family genome (distinctly size and shape), it seems the virus that inhabited the complex might have come from either chimps or are a cause the chimp mutation itself.

[solemn star]

How do you draw the conclusion its from chimps?

Or chimp like

[rich blaze]

There are also Teeth like thingies in the middle of their bodies, the size of a fist approximately (At least on the normal ones)

[solemn star]

Do you have a picture? On strikers you mean? Because the only teeth I see are their heads

Because I see no teeth outside of their face on either of these pictues https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/gtfo_gamepedia_en/images/2/2c/Archer2.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20191028002821
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/gtfo_gamepedia_en/images/3/3f/Splitface_3.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20191028002530

[rich blaze]

It's on the insides when you bisect one in 2, I'll try to take a screen while waiting for a game to pop up

[devout geyser]

those are eggs

[fervent iris]

/spores

[devout geyser]

they used to fall out of sleepers when you hit them

[slim fractal]

[rich blaze]

@solemn star Here are two example, it look like Cartilage/bone tissue

[fervent iris]

they still do but they're rather small spheres that burst on landing

[rich blaze]

Welp, there goes my thinking out of the window

This means that If it's parasitic, it must wait for the host to die, which could explain the wandering and the hazing towards the lower levels,where most of the sleepers that could kill them be.

Because while I doubt the ability of the Santonian doctors to foresee at the time undetectable infection, well they shouldn't be able to miss things like this on scanners or things of the sort (CF. the doctor report)

[solemn star]

Yeah they're eggs or something. Honestly I think the most simple solution is the mothers create them somehow. Like some sort of genetic coding to produce them. I am on the fence about parasites being the way they reproduce because unless we have some DnD level body transformations (like ilithids do with human hosts) I think the easiest explanation is the mothers.

Could even just be tumors inside of them

[rich blaze]

But there's some corpses changing, and some not at all

,hmm, well, what if all the corpses around the tank are emaciated because the tank "absorbed" the flahs of the corpses?

[red steppe]

potatoes

[covert estuary]

for me, the striker/big strikers come from the mothers while the rest of enemy variants come from human host infection(maybe human experiments?) because aside from them the others still retain some sort of human host features and they are the only ones with scouts to be have shadow variants which could be a defense mechanism mutation

[solemn star]

Well I think human experimentation is certain. If shooters are created through that I wouldn't be shocked. I am curious to see how they will explain shadows, because that is pretty intense. inb4 shadow boss. The spitters are also a curiosity. However the only three things I think we can 100% draw a conclusion on is mothers, tanks, and strikers. The tank and mother are just straight up human experimentation with all the growth factors they have been doing stuff with along side of the neonates. and the mothers birth the strikers some how. Everything else is TBD.

[median snow]

can someone fill me in on everything we know so far? if you do pls @ me

[rich blaze]

We can't discredit either some corpses turning into strikers
Also is there a clear "Sexual dimorphism" or is the Male Strikers Female shooters completely debunked?

[rich blaze]

A recap of most logs is in the pinned messages of this channel actually, you can also read the log on the wiki pages of the different rundowns

[median snow]

aight thanks

[solemn star]

My main issue with that theory is how are they gaining enough mass to become full sized sleepers again then?

[rich blaze]

It's kinda the same problem with babies

[solemn star]

fair enough

[rich blaze]

They can't just gain mass from the mother, and there's a lot more to fill than from even partially eaten corpses, so Tumour/whatever growth could finish the job

[solemn star]

its certainly possible for sure

[rich blaze]

Both could be possible too, but then what happens to the clothes? :/

[lilac island]

Yall think sleepers always sleep to conserve nutrients? Alien or not, as long as they're alive they'd need nutrients. Running around the facility won't exactly be the best way to go to achieve this. So i think their sleep is a type of hybernation. They've been down here for quite some time, and would've probably picked the area clean of food sources, what do yall think

[covert estuary]

perhaps the experimentation was with the blob thing that is on c2 extreme roof, then things went wrong ,mother(or maybe an enemy that we did not met yet due to the fact that there are multiple mothers in the facility and i doubt they would make a lot of them in experimentation) spawned a few babies they started to eat the scientists that were close gaining mass to be normal/big strikers and from there an exponential grow,mothers fog infected some turning them into chargers and so on

[craggy sandal]

you happen to have a picture?

[covert estuary]

there is a fleshy mass that covers the room's roof at the entrance of extreme in c2 i dont have a screenshot

[craggy sandal]

oh that stuff

yeah that has been around for a while, i think even in rundown 1

[craggy sandal]

The room with the tank at the End of D2 is pretty hard evidence regarding human Experiments

Although i doubt that the entire infection or whatever it is is human made. I think they uncovered something deep in the mines which kept spreading upon being "freed"

[solemn star]

I mean just looking at the neonates and the fact that we have growth hormones being ordered to the facility is plenty. Along side of the tables in the labs area that have blood and bodies and equipment that looks a bit nefarious.

[vapid brook]

The site where the mine is located is an ancient asteroid impact, which is also why there is a huge concentration of platinum. Maybe that asteroid brought more than just minerals.

[rich blaze]

It's Iridium
Yeah there's also the Roof in D1 third zone.
Hormones were also to improve productivity through IIX syringes ( cf log)

[worthy flower]

Something something iridium halflife

[craggy sandal]

Might even be the one that wiped Out the dinosaurs? I Just remember it being somewhere in mexico

[craggy sandal]

Im not saying there was no experimentation, Just that the Origin isn't human

[rich blaze]

Iridium in fine has no half life problem in its stable forms (Ir 191 and Ir 193) , apart from the radioisotopes (which emit radioactivity due to instability), but yeah there's no problem about it being iridium unless it's radioactive from the iridium

[rich blaze]

It is said indeed that it's the Chixculub meteor that we're talking about, the one of Dinosaur fame

[craggy sandal]

Nice

Inb4 dinosaur sleepers

Imagine raptors with Split heads charging you instead of naruto runners

[rich blaze]

I think any dinosaur at the time near the meteor would have been wiped off way beyond recognition for a possibility of splitters :p

[craggy sandal]

One can dream

[shadow igloo]

Its 100% not alien. Not only have the devs said so in a interview, but your right. There is not a cold day in hell of chance that whatever this is survived atmospheric-entry let alone impact.

[rich blaze]

We agree here

My pet peeve is of fongic origin, but I'm unsure

Basically Cordyceps but better represented than in TLOU?
The wandering in the lower areas towards the angy sleepers
The push towards death
and big things are basically from the experimentation on it

[shadow igloo]

Im leaning toward that nam-v virus being modified to cause cancers/mutations. The site was recieving shipments of growth hormone and a specific chemical associated with cancers that increases the reproductive rate of non viable cells.

The bosses do have tumors. And the growths inside sleepers could be tumors as well.

You can find our discussion on it further up

[rich blaze]

And of course, the log I wanted a leg on has no year :(
Syringes seem to use it to give boosts
It'd be hard to think that it'd be 2053 but on the other hand no other year would make sense

On the other hand, I'd find it weird that they'd do that if it completely goes out of control as early as October 11 just after the syringes mail September 25

[shadow igloo]

I find it interesting the syringes give infection, though i havent really found a way to fit them into my theory yet

In the end it comes down to the virus being used for rapid gene modding in someway

Heres a basic summary with some facts found in the logs.

-a thousand or so years prior in the general area of the locations that will be mentioned ancient civs would experience periods of mass death to desease on a cycle directly following earth quakes involving fault lines in the area

-today santanonian(the complex's owner company) is a puppet company/front for a mega corporation called dreyfus. that has its hands in every major industry. from consumer electronics to articulture to genetic modification. they would start 2 irridum mines in the area. one in garganta brazil. the other in the yucatan peninsula. specifically the chixiclub asteroid impact crater. these would become garganta, and the complex(the one we play in)

-sometime in the early 2050's a previously unknown virus called Nam-V would begin to spread among the worker populations of garganta and the complex. initially downplayed by santonian. the virus would cause mental illness, psychotic episodes, and a drastically increased rate of suicide among the workers. earning the name "the stooping cough" now you should note our infection levels and mental eval stats in game launch and post game.

-santonian intrigued by the new virus would begin to use the complex as a research facility in an effort to study Nam-V and produce a vaccine

-shortly after shipments would arrive at the complex. of which would include congeners for a common mutation among cancers that increases the reproduction of normally unviable cells. and growth hormones

[rich blaze]

If it's 2052, the syringes don't make sense for a virus which has no info until December of the same year
If it's 2053, then everything goes to hell in two weeks between September 25 and October 9

[shadow igloo]

heres where the speculation begins

I believe Nam-V would come with an increased risk for cancer. and that santonian under orders from dreyfus would manipulate Nam-V to cause specific mutations, and be released into the complex through the life support systems(indicated by the infectious fog) this cocktail of growth hormones would then be administered to the worker population under the guise of being a vaccine. the consequences of which would be rapid mutation and mental degradation, resulting in the deformed feral creatures we know as sleepers. Things would go well for a time judging by sleepers being kept in stasis in the labs of the complex. however the spread would get out of hand forcing santonian to abandon the complex leading to where we are now an indeterminate amount of time later

[rich blaze]

Do we know for sure that Garganta is in Brazil?

For me it always was in the general Mexican area of Chixculub

[shadow igloo]

No idea personally, but if the shoe fits i'll go with it until evidence of otherwise comes to light

[rich blaze]

Because for me, Garganta is on the mexican Area due to the R4A1 audio log, and Andrew Clinton has also been implicated in both disaster relief at Merida, and in the construction of Garganta

[shadow igloo]

The exact location doesnt matter in so much, as long as it is still within the general area described in the r4a2 log imo

So far at least my theory is the closest to an actual chain of events supported by the logs ive seen though

[rich blaze]

Do we have the exact info on what the CRYO case, the OSIP and GLP do?

in terms of proteins

[shadow igloo]

Nope, not without further info. I imagine the cryo is just that. Long term safe stowage for the infected

[rich blaze]

Nah, I found it, cryo is "Insulin-like growth factor I, protein" which corresponds to this thing : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insulin-like_growth_factor_1

[shadow igloo]

Based on the neonatal hydrostasis pod. Think the sleepers come from infected newborns? It would make sense. I doubt the mutations we see would come from adults. But if the process is started in the womb.

Gives precedence for the mother birthing formed sleepers

[rich blaze]

Found this for GLP : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glucagon-like_peptide-1

For OSIP, there's a lot of proteins using that name, can't really do much without a number behind it, a query might help on it, but some are used for Cancer treatment

[shadow igloo]

And back to the cancer

I dont think that angle can be denied at this point tbh

[rich blaze]

I need the exact number tho, but I can't check it
Yeah Cancer might be a good angle

[winged eagle]

sex is the question

[shadow igloo]

Who knows, they could be on a cycle of activity and hybernation for all we know. We just happen to always come down when they are inactive.

Maybe these are just the sentinels and theres a whole civilization worshiping the meteror. Only way to know is for r5 to come out and to get in there and find the clues

[vivid rain]

This theory has actually got me on the subject as well and I’ve pieced together something that may actually make some sort of sense? Let me know feedback…

I’m fairly certain what is causing the mutations is indeed a cancer - A carcinoma (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carcinoma) that attacks the endocrine system (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endocrine_system) and more specifically enteroendocrine cells (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enteroendocrine_cell), as it even makes mention of “hormones or peptides” which we also see reference to in the OSIP and GLP objectives.

Striker mutations could be explained by adrenal infections, shooter mutations by thyroid

[rich blaze]

GLP actually uses those systems to cut Hunger and cryo growth hormone has a link to cancer so I guess it's not farfetched at all, I wonder how you linked the mutations to different organs, but I can understand where your reading comes from.
We also need to get more info on the OSIP number (I'll try to query it) to see what it actually is, since there's a number of OSIP proteins which it can be linked to

[rich blaze]

Sadly, OSIP does not seem to be used irl, there is a Delta Sleep Inducing Peptid (DSIP), which has interesting properties such as :

• Delta sleep (Deep sleep) regulation in rabbits (Contested now)
• It acts on Endocrine
• It reduces stress
• Found in bigger levels in people with Depression or with Ponderal Surcharge
• Affect electrophysiological activity, neurotransmitter levels in the brain, circadian and locomotor patterns, hormonal levels, psychological performance

Also there is an OSIP named molecule, but since there's no omega sleep, it cannot be the one in game, which is used as an anti cancer thing to Remote kill cells and inhibit growth of the cancerous cells

So if we go for the cancer theory, it could be a mix of both
Because I don't think they are cartoony villain, so OSIP could have been used to counterbalance the tumor growing thingies

[shadow igloo]

I dont think theyer cartoony villian either to be honest. Controled mutations arent nessicarily a bad thing depending on what your going for. But playing god has ways of backfiring and something very clearly got out of hand

[rich blaze]

I definitely think it's more mining related, and syringes might have played a part into it

[modest dawn]

<@&408548765599793173>

[gilded vine]

Is 2056 an important lore year or nah

[rich blaze]

Nah, I don't think we got dates for years after 2053 don't we?

[gilded vine]

Aight

[rich blaze]

The last thing we got was the main servers overheating October 11 2053 iirc

[gilded vine]

😩

[golden hamlet]

has anyone heard of the secret lore?

[red steppe]

believe me
we all have

[dreamy spire]

[reef shoal]

So can someone tell me what exactly the lore of this game is? Is there a page online with the details? or a pdf?

[vocal cove]

👀

[topaz flare]

well....

we don't have a lot to go on

[rich blaze]

but most of it is in the pinned messages, the rest is pure speculation

I just cannot wrap my mind how OSIP is the only thing incorrect from real life, unless

EUREKA

The only way it can hold together, is that the sleepers (or people in HSU) are in a state of Omega Sleep, which is unlike everything we saw
OSIP are a way to induce it like DSIP are able to introduce Delta (Deep) sleep

To help everyone understand why it is Called Delta Sleep
There must be an omega brain wave pattern

if they are tied to sleep as OSIP description seems to hint to, that means they must be below Delta, somehow
That wouldn't be farfetched considering we have Hydrostasis

(Please tell me If I do make some sense, or if I need to explain it more,,,)

[harsh saffron]

Sounds pretty reasonable ngl

[rich blaze]

I think we can draw a pretty good theory, with what Kolohe said earlier

[reef shoal]

thats pretty interesting

[vivid rain]

Combining a theoretical "omega brainwave" induced via OSIP's with hydrostasis by the HSU - That would result in the ultimate incipacitation... no brain function or fluidity in your body - you are essentially dead while still being alive and accesible.

[rich blaze]

Even when EEG is flat, some brainwaves have been found to happen during Coma, They are called Nu-complexes
It's not far fetched that Omega could also be along those lines, apparently (cf Koreger et Al. Human Brain Activity Patterns beyond the Isoelectric Line of Extreme Deep Coma)

[lilac island]

What exactly are hydro stasis units and why do we have to ride in them at the start may i ask?

[rich blaze]

Why feed prisoners when you can put them in stasis when you don't use them?

Also lessens the risk of any possible rebellion

[real pewter]

when you need something to be done, just pull them out
they have 0 memory of everything happen to them.

[lilac island]

OSIP would likely be the case for Hydrostasis specifically. It's noticed that vital signs are only shown regarding a person in Hydrostasis after having been "resuscitated", implying that vital signs are so low that they're practically immeasurable, making Hydrostasis an artificial form of cryptobiosis, wherein metabolism is slowed to an extremely low degree to keep a creature in stasis. Creatures like the tardigrade exhibit this behavior.

If taken out of an HSU without being resuscitated and going through the correct process, the body doesn't have the biological functions to handle being able to start back up, so your vital signs would likely just straight up stop since they're already so low. This would explain the corpses littered around the tank at the end of R4D2, beyond just being killed by the tank, they were physically ripped out of their HSUs by the tank and died to not having bodily function enough to just wake up.

[rich blaze]

I had the theory that he used them for organic material, but I guess it works too

[solemn star]

might also be why us as prisoners have masks on. Helps keep the water out of our eyes and it looks like there is a vent to connect an oxygen tube of some sort

eyes/nose/mouth

[worthy flower]

you drop straight out of your hsu in combat gear.
imagine the stank.

[lilac island]

that would make sense but all the bodies are intact as far as i remember

[lilac island]

possible that the masks are bespoke for prisoners as a means of HUD + comms to the warden, also including connection to the HSU, though iirc bodies ripped from HSUs dont have anything similar. the neonate brings up its own interesting case, too, as it's in a vacuum sealed system that also feeds tubes to its body

[rich blaze]

They seemed Emaciated iirc

[lilac island]

true

[lilac island]

actually yeah no if they were being used for biomass in any respect they would have been ripped apart

skin, muscle, bone, it's all organic material, there would be absolutely zero reason for the sleepers or the tank to just imperfect cell their ass

if a creature that just used any organic material to feed their brood invaded the earth, it wouldn't just be humans or animals that would be gone, every blade of grass, a lot of the dirt, manure, trees would all be broken down too, anything that would feed on just organic material would get it wholesale, there'd be no exception as to what kind of organic material it'd be

[vapid brook]

Good thing there isn't much organic matter deep in the earth. Hope they never breech the surface.

[rich blaze]

It could also be a scientific procedure that drains it
Also for the dirt, ever looked at C2 and D1 ceiling? :p

[lilac island]

i'm fairly certain that they look emaciated because even on lowered metabolism, your body would still be metabolizing, and thus still need food, just far less of it. when bears hibernate, they eat a lot of food and then just lower their metabolism so that their body will be able to take the time of the whole winter to metabolize the food. the people found ripped from their stasis units are emaciated, though we have 0 idea exactly when the game takes place, nor to what degree their metabolism is slowed, so it could have been decades since those people have actually had food to metabolize, making them essentially in a state of starvation.

beyond that, we see corpses that have been ripped apart or brutalized and bloodied all the time in the complex, and with the teeth on the tank's many tongues, what reason would it have to spare the skin and drain the body when it would get more organic material by also eating the skin

as for the biomass ceilings and floors, it could be eating dirt i guess, though its rather convenient that it seems to stick to tunnel mouths. its probably one of the most unknowable things down there

[rich blaze]

It's why I think we'll get a sentient room boss at some point
But Yeah I see your point, depends on if the tank was fed or if it fed itself, which is probably something we'll have no definite answer on

[covert estuary]

what if the ceiling biomass is used for feeding the sleepers

[red steppe]

mmm sleeper yogurt

[compact agate]

^I hate this

[lilac island]

does this mean something?

probably rundown 5 getting teased or?

[gilded vine]

The april fools bit was the 35 year timer, apparently this broken timer has shown up before major updates like new rundowns

[surreal robin]

How was it with the old rundowns? How long did it take for the correct timer to arrive?

[gilded vine]

idk I saw someone post about it earlier today

I'd assume its like this for a couple of weeks and then the final timer comes out

[surreal robin]

ok

[gilded vine]

Lets turn this into 2077 release :D

[daring tendon]

They haven't even finished A \ B tier dev yet, I'd give it 6-8 weeks

[neat thorn]

Well, I think they did, it's just not displayed in the Roadmap. It's last update was on February 17th, about 1,5 months ago. I doubt that they still haven't finished with the A/B tier (incase there were no major issues)

[fervent lagoon]

they are probably around making D and testing B or C if i had to guess, ive been paying close attention to the builds in the steam database

[daring tendon]

I feel like 10C arent a company, that won't take a few minutes changing the colour indicator on their website for their roadmap?

[real pewter]

or they could do it like Gunfire, put a pop up in game and say R5 soonTM if you want

would you like small update every week, or big update in a few months

[wraith matrix]

nah, devs are too busy to do something like updating the roadmap. takes a lot of work to change the color of tiny boxes every so often

[real flax]

I think it was rundown 3, the rundown came out and had been out for awhile, before they updated the roadmap to show it was released...
As for the timer, Im pretty sure there was a broken timer since rundown 1, that updated to one week before the next rundown

[manic shuttle]

Theyre working on it

Play other game

[broken mason]

gtfo is not really a "main game" game in my opinion, you come back for each rundown, beat every level you can, watch vids of the rest and come back when the game is alive again

[neat thorn]

well when you stop working on the levels you tend to fail, it might be - But when you are eager to beat a level and don't give up after the 2nd try, it will take way longer. Also I wouldn't consider the game as "dead" then when you are just not playing it xD. And if you spoil yourself with the content in deeper levels/objectives then it might indeed just be boring. But hey, your game, your way to play

[manic shuttle]

I considet gtfo my main game but even then after youve done everything like learning the levels and stuff theres usually nothing to do

And burn out settles in

[tall anchor]

gtfo is fun as all hell but defo not my main game either

[fervent lagoon]

not dead, hibernating

[lilac island]

it has yet to have had proper progression systems added in that will improve replayability, though the optional sectors improved it greatly for my friends and i

[late basalt]

@lilac island

What’s the name of the system named in one of the audio logs. It’s on the tip of my tongue but I’m forgetting for some damn reason

[frail pollen]

hearsay?

[late basalt]

Yeah

[lilac island]

Am pretty new here but from what iv experienced sofar it could easily be a main game just add more things to do or maybe more hardcore shit to it? 😄

[tall anchor]

absolutely, for sure, the game has a lot of possibility, just it’ll take its time

[wanton cargo]

whats the best guess for what the cargo is in d2 overload?

[red steppe]

probably something like the yogurt cups from C2

[rich blaze]

Well, the best guess we can have is by querying it

Does anyone knows what it does when you query it?

[timber birch]

On D2, there are bolts on some of the floor tiles. Why would you need to bolt floor tiles? 🤔 🤔

[timber birch]

nothing interesting

[red steppe]

now these are the real questions we should be asking

[timber birch]

On D2, there are cables spilling from some overhead machine. However, there is nothing for the cables to plug into- there is no lower machine with receptacles, and there is no wall outlet. Some may posit that the machine was removed during the emergency, but someone took the time to stack cans where the former machine would have been- not something one does while being attacked by tongue zombies.

Furthermore, it is doubtful such a machine could or would be removed. The area is incompatible with any sort of vehicular lifting, and the machine would have been impossible to lift by hand. It wasn't dragged either, as there are no skid marks. Furthermore, there would be no reason to removed such a machine. It would had to be custom for the purpose, and if it was no longer needed, it could have simply been deactivated.

Ultimately, there is no rational explanation for those cables to be there. This proves the entire game is some sort of fever dream, likely taking place with Dauda's head as an allegory for his mysterious past, which is of course, a messy love triangle.

[vapid brook]

Restraining straps. Probably for cylindrical objects or ||REDACTED||.

[timber birch]

On many of the corpses one can find throughout the complex, the feet are bare. This does not make sense- the pants of the corpses are intact, but the shoes have been completely removed. The shoes would be the hardest article of clothing to remove, so one would expect only them to remain, not the opposite. The tongue creatures chewed only the shoes off, but left the feet intact? They even have all 5 toes on each foot- not one was nibbled off! Why would the tongue beasts take such care if they were simply devouring or attacking the staff? Why would they only remove the shoes?

Well... we know why. We know what the motive here is. We know why someone would remove only the shoes.

Tongue zombies are fucking gross.

[lilac island]

or they're from brazil

or idk, isn't there a joke about how you know if someone died if their shoes came off during the event that killed them?

[queen adder]

Well, I am guessing the infection period takes a bit, maybe they felt very sick, feverish or something. Took shoes off to regulate body warmth. Or something like that

I am guessing entire parts of the complex were on lockdown, meaning people were trapped down there.

[trail knoll]

maybe all of this happens in a brazil's underground facility

[harsh spire]

roadmap updated and c tier work started

[real pewter]

they could have started C tier before

[harsh spire]

ok?

[fervent lagoon]

Doc has said that the roadmap is currently not being updated consistently, pretty sure they’ve been working on c for a few days

He has also said they would make sort of an outline of each level before going back and polishing them all up

[rich blaze]

Didn't he say at some point he just handed it over and it would be better updated and revamped?

[frail pollen]

We started C tier over this past weekend, and a better process was put in place to update it

[polar gale]

Consider me interested to see what system changes you've made. I'm beyond intrigued to see if it changes the gameplay and if so how. It's been on my mind since spotting it on the roadmap

[fiery lance]

I just want to keep descending into nightmare hellscape facility

they can take as much time as they need as long as it keeps freaking me out.

[wanton cargo]

Have there been any repeat zones yet?

[real flax]

Zone numbers have repeated. Many rooms are the same in different levels as well. But only level that we went back to, was the alpha/R3C1. But it was different too with more rooms and infection fog. The text for R3C1 literally said the DNA retrieved during the alpha was corrupted so it had to be retrieved again. And the text at the start said the level had changed

[rose cradle]

not sure if anybody noticed this already, but this still image from the newest teaser looks to show a point of view from you laying on a gurney and the faces of doctors looking at you

[slim fractal]

[red steppe]

now that i look at it

that's definitely representing what you just said

[rich blaze]

Their clothes look like the corpses in D2

[wraith matrix]

Tbh I saw this and just thought it was the 10c logo

[harsh spire]

well in nearly every country medical staff has green or blue work clothes

[rich blaze]

True, but those are not present elsewhere, weirdly

[rose cradle]

yeah they're called scrubs, but that image does immediately remind me of D2

[civic pelican]

Oh yeah D2

[red steppe]

what about the veins that you can barely see

[broken mason]

Might be superposition of next image flash, or the veins you can see in your eyes from bright light

[rose cradle]

i like to think of the teaser as some sort of “life flashing before your eyes” type thing even if it might not make sense

[surreal lark]

might be schaefer's POV

[gilded vine]

Oh yeah schaefer was a thing

[neat thorn]

jeez you are right. I thought it maybe has to do sth with the 10C logo, but yours make more sence

[rose cradle]

lol yeah i thought that was the logo at first too

[neat thorn]

But that all would kinda Support the theory of not being down there in Person, but rather be "linked" to someone else's body

[real flax]

It might show how the neural interface works

[upbeat frost]

could be the new intro?

[rich blaze]

I hope the new developments will help the theory we made here about OSIP and Hydrostasis

[lilac island]

yoo wait where is that teaser at?

[hasty pier]

#game-announcements

[lilac island]

uhhhhhh huuuuhhh... i just see a still image in there, is this an older video or did i overlook something

[hasty pier]

that's it

[lilac island]

i don't see that still image that was posted, is the april 29th image what people are talking about?

whatever, either way doctors being seen is new and interesting

[rose cradle]

#gtfo-media message

[lilac island]

that's the good stuff

i see a rundown 5 diamond, and the psychological encoding logo is very reminiscent of something we've seen a few times

nFrame encoding is done through means of a needle being inserted into an object, either a data sphere, or the neonate

the neonate had info about DNA read/write on it, and the psychological encoding logo being that of a brain with a needle in it kind of suggests a similar or the same process as what was done with the neonate and/or the data sphere

it would support the idea that DNA is being used as a means of information storage, and instructions in the case of any kind of psychological, or even physiological encoding

also a really close closeup shot of an eye

the frames in order look to be uhhhh, first one is a microscopic view of cells and/or the bloodstream

a closeup of an eye's iris and pupil

i don't know about the third one, but if i were to take a guess, it could be either a map of blood vessels or a map of nerves

the fourth one is also hard to tell, but i think it's a view through a microscope of a slide

frames five and six are of doctors looking down on the viewer

that psychological encoding frame, i couldn't really tell you for sure, a bundle of wires, an artificial model of a brain, it could be a lot of things

and the last frame is impossible to decipher, at least for me

notable though, the entirety of it is from someone's perspective, which is kind of obvious on it's face, but you can see the blood vessels of the eye surrounding the frame, and also notable is that there are scanlines on the video

[last bridge]

Probably just a trippy view of a prisoner getting their cortex implant

[lilac island]

could well be, could also be from someone like schaeffer's perspective

[rich blaze]

Looks like Eels too?

[lilac island]

ehhh, i mean yeah, it does but i don't really know the reasoning for it, if it is surely it'll come up again later

[rich blaze]

I mean Eels have been in lovecraftian horror, but apart from that, Maybe its in relation to the "sewers"?
It also makes me think of the water enemy in Hunt

[lilac island]

water devils are terrifying

[rose cradle]

in the last frame, what i can vaguely make out is what looks like a spine? the middle white part kinda has that shape and look of one

i’m not sure what else it could be, after all the spine carries the spinal cords which are nerves that connect to the brain and throughout the rest of your body

[lilac island]

oh yeah, that makes sense

[blazing dawn]

Is lore for this game gonna come out?

[daring tendon]

Its strictly related to the player base finding it, within the maps

[blazing dawn]

Damn, I bet they can make badass lore for this game. I’ve been trying to piece shit together in my play through but it always seemed incomplete so I thought I would ask

[rich blaze]

I mean we pieced together a few things, made a few theories
But most of the lore is scarce and so we have little to base ourselves on apart from a few offhand logs and Items descriptions @Rafiki#6969

[frail pollen]

There's some really, really, really deep lore.

[rich blaze]

I wonder how far our fledgling of theories are from the actual reality

[topaz flare]

that you guys don't give us? or you already did which one?

[slim fractal]

dont the terms have lore or am i missing something

[frail pollen]

We're only 1.5 years into the games life. I hope you guys aren't expecting a majority of the story to be revealed.

But we are ramping up the amount of lore we are giving you guys, plenty is coming in R5, and I'm going to be sneaking something from Simon's recording booth next week for you guys

[slim fractal]

i'd say it's more like dark souls type lore which is nice having to look for it yourself while the things that are going on in the background arent shoved in your face.

[lilac island]

its more in depth than dark souls is, it takes a lot of info and things from real life or things that would generally be grounded, believable and realistic for a futuristic setting

[rich blaze]

Yeah, I didn't expect to look biology scientific articles lmao

[topaz flare]

i mean im not a developer but in my opinion the lore part of the game can be far greater than what it is at the moment but i am hopeful

[slim fractal]

im sure they dont want to reveal to much

and sprinkle it throughout each rundown since where not even out of EA

[shut mountain]

Me omw to harass D0c until he gives me Hackett lore

[vocal cove]

You should be, it’s worh it ❤️

[lilac island]

it always has been worth it up to this point

it's a drip feed but thats what i'd expect, not only from the fact that the game is still in early access, but also as a prisoner going through dingy, dark, infested tunnels where your life is not only expendable but expected to be expended

[wraith matrix]

I personally would not get your hopes up for any major reveals, even past early access. Only reason is because the devs want people to speculate on the dripfeed of barely explained things that we've seen. Another is because anything major would ruin the mystery of trying to understand what is actually going on behind the scenes.

[lilac island]

Hey guys long time, how's it going?

[lilac island]

depends on what you consider major @wraith matrix

schaeffer is major imo

[wraith matrix]

How?

[lilac island]

its a prisoner other than the four playable ones, confirming that prisoners aren't just cloned

it establishes a rule surrounding how the prisoners work and helps to establish their position in the world, though we don't have even close to a full picture of things

[wraith matrix]

Doesn't really seem significant, as the clone theory made no sense to begin with. There being other prisoners was basically already confirmed the second we saw a mission that said "High death rate estimated."

[broken mason]

8 frames
1: some kind of topographical map or maybe flouresence microscopy of cells
2: what looks like an extremely close up eye
3: RUNDOWN 5.0, some kind of black and white explosion
4: AMONGUS, uhh just some black and white shapes tbh
5: 6 nurses standing guard 'round the side of your operating table, there are a lot of lights or radiation emitters hanging over us, with some kind of apparatus in the middle (perhaps similar to R3D1 and R4C1's needle machines) (big spook, what could this mean)
6:psycological encoding, with an emblem of a needle in a brain. some kind of tentacles in the blue background? (also spooky)
7:the most abstract of any frame, if i had to guess id say the thing on the bottom left is a golden masked guy with a sword on his back, being guided by a god or the warden (red, top left). where the golden guy is us and the red thing is the warden.
(throughout all these frames there seems to be the same set of scout tentacles superimposed over the images
8: black square

i am now gonna go thru the theories ive heard on frame 7

Original:

Overlord theory:
the big red thing in the top left is the warden looking over the team (the golden masked guy with the sword on its back) and is guiding them to do his bidding

Spine theory: its just a spine in the middle surrounded by colours and shades

[manic shuttle]

among us

when the warden its sus 😎

[late basalt]

[broken mason]

yeah lil bit sussy

sus theory

[lilac island]

amogus

[broken mason]

@junior kite thought that there was a big striker looking thing in the body of a D2 guy, maybe a bit of a stretch

[lilac island]

Bottom right, looks like a person with a white gown

[broken mason]

o ye

theres a suprising amout you can pull form this image

liek these two

devs prolly laughing at all these wrong guesses but im too smoothbrain to go dig up some real lore from the menu ambience or something so

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[chilly prairie]

they prob saving it for full release

[junior kite]

I meant this. This looks like a facepalming big striker

[broken mason]

kinda having a hard time seeing it ngl

[solemn star]

I have a hard time seeing anything, its like shapes in clouds in the sky 😂

[slim fractal]

need glasses?

[solemn star]

Nah its more specifically the last frame. Just incredibly abstract to draw a couple things from that. Not insulting the people theory crafting but its almost like ink blots to me. See what you want to see

[topaz flare]

than lets hope we gonna get a hell of story if thats the case

[paper jasper]

there's a teaser for r5?

[junior kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/585063132553281556/829779355172339742/6bHssR5VSztohG_g.mp4

[heavy lodge]

The structure behind the prisoners... Is it some sort of new gateway or sewage tunnel thing??

#social-feed message

[hallow vault]

looks more like a bank vault door or something like that

[real flax]

Probably new kind of door. Maybe they will lock behind you or something to cut you off from using certain ways to kite or extract. maybe thats why the "way back wont be as easy" as they said.
I thought it would be cool with like a long tunnel, where you have to progress through the tunnel and it closes behind you.

[frail pollen]

looks more like ||a plane, or superman||

[manic shuttle]

ya'll analizing things too much lmao

[worthy cove]

^

[manic shuttle]

literally its just the effect of the screen

if they wanted to show us more they would do it already, also among us

[red steppe]

||planes|| confirmed for rundown 5

[junior kite]

idk, maybe my deuteranopia tricking me

[dim scroll]

no

[trail knoll]

amogus

[vocal cove]

That’s Batman

[twilit girder]

it cant be, IM BATMAN. -NANANANANANANA

[lilac island]

based lore confirmation

[wanton cargo]

I think the picture means we are getting white glow sticks next

[dim scroll]

nice

Wait till we get rainbow glow sticks to make everything happier

[covert estuary]

what if it is a distorsion of rickroll video?

[rose cradle]

i’m still gonna go off on my theory that white middle part is a spine, but also that red blob at the top looks to be the bottom portion of a heart, which means this is a view of someone’s chest (??)

[dim scroll]

On my side it looks like an X-ray vision of someone's throat, with the red part being the skull & the white spheres on top being the eyes

The black part on the upper center being the teeth

[junior kite]

[paper jasper]

Eye pupil

first frame is eye pupil then, rundown 5.0, then some circular lights that looks like an operation room, then "psychological encoding, and then a spinal cord frame

so i'm guessing there's some doctors operating on neural link

on the prisoners

[sand granite]

Something I've noticed is that the hole (where the cage is being dropped) seems to be made from the bottom up to the surface, and I'm curious why

[last bridge]

only reason i could think of it severe explosive damage

[solemn star]

I mean it could also be a drill that then pulls upwards.

[sand granite]

True, but it doesn't look clean like a drill, and the hole doesn't have grooves that I can see

[solemn star]

Yeah, I dont know what it is. Seems kinda crazy that it would blow open a hole that perfectly upwards too. But who knows.

[sand granite]

Also, does anyone try to listen into the static audio when you select an expedition? I don't have tools to do so

[solemn star]

I think its been decoded awhile back. Might be able to find a youtube video

[sand granite]

I see, I'll look for a link or something for that then

Why is the warden using prisoners? And what kind of deal are they using to keep the prisoners from ||suiciding?||

[lilac island]

pretty sure that the deal they're using is biological

as in, the only thing stopping them from killing themselves is the fact that they don't want to die, so they just push forwards in the hopes that they can eventually get free

or at the very least, back into hydrostasis

[bright epoch]

So what exactly are these neural links in the prisoners?

[shadow dove]

its a bulkhead door m8

[broken mason]

nah its defo something else, different material and no pins

[sand granite]

I think that it might be the "HUD" we can see, because I don't see anything special with their goggles/masks or, it might be a thing that's keeping them in a tight bond together

[stoic rock]

"One of you dies? All of you die"

but expedition success contradicts that

[vestal delta]

Yall keep this channel on topic please, and dont mention nsfw stuff which actually breaks discords TOS

[junior epoch]

Even if we mention feet pics? 👉🏻👈🏻🙄

[topaz laurel]

fair enough, sorry if I derailed

[real flax]

Sleeper feet?

[topaz laurel]

been staring more at sleeper cheeks lately - the ugly part of being stealthy

[junior kite]

so uh... there is a big hole in the whole complex, I think it was caused by a steam explosion, which damaged several pipes (that would explain the fog)
and since it is partly a mining facility, more toxic substances enter the water, and if it starts to evaporate, an infection mist is created. and there is that R5 image
where is a ton of fog at the bottom of the map, probably because you have to activate a command on an A3 overload to open flood gate, with this command a
a lot of water goes to the bottom of the complex. and if that's not enough, there's the B3 overload where the disable filters command needs to be activated, so it's probably going to be a good little infection stuff... at least that's my guessing 👉 👈

||basically, rethinking this whole thing, it doesn't sound so logical, but had to think about something under the shower||

[slim fractal]

we all know the big worms from Gears of war did a cameo

[shadow dove]

Maybe thats an ok explanation for the normal fog but i think there is a little more behind the whole infection part since normal poisonous stuff from underground doesnt infect you really.
||and one more thing to think about is the guys wear gasmasks and it doesnt help them against the infectious fog. maybe it goes through the skin?||

[solemn star]

Yeah and you can clearly hear them coughing when theyre in infection/taking infection damage too

[vapid brook]

Or just clearing crap out of their lungs because of irritation. Y'all never been exposed to a persistent irritant before?

[lilac island]

Their masks don't have visible filtration, I think they're masks that get hooked into their HSUs while in stasis.

[sand granite]

What about the goo blobs? The thing that infects you. Also Fencing man, that does make sense, I have to agree with you on that

[junior kite]

some masks have built-in filters, i'm wearing one on my pfp

[lilac island]

is there a clearer view of that?

you can usually still tell where filtration is happening with built in filters

i think thats just one of those respirators made to deal with dust, right?

i don't think its rated for chemical irritants

[slim fractal]

those full masks have attachments for filters on the side

whether its rated for chemicals is dependent on the filters you attach

[lilac island]

of course, but there is no visible external filters on the masks of the prisoners

[vapid brook]

Even then, if the gas is corrosive the mask may not help if it isn't rated for it.

[lilac island]

it might just be dust respirators intended for miners, with fog repellers being made for the ultra-fine dust that defeats those masks

[rocky zephyr]

It's for sure the new enemy type.

[foggy wadi]

spooky

[rose cradle]

yoooo pterodactyl head

[agile ermine]

I think its noodles with a new hair tie.

[rocky zephyr]

Noodles..mmmm

[tropic shard]

looks more like whale meat in that rendition

[steady pilot]

the hell is this, is this what I think it is?

[neat thorn]

a big ass revolver mag? ^^

someone mentioned it looks similar to a lamp at a doctor's office

[queen adder]

Its an operating table

You see the faces of doctors in medical gear, blue surgical hats and masks

They circle around the operating table

[neat thorn]

lmfao I haven't seen that until now xD

[queen adder]

I could be wrong ofcourse

[topaz flare]

no you are correct

[neat thorn]

but it does look like it, at least for me ^^

[topaz flare]

the rundown name is in there as well if you really want to go look

[neat thorn]

really?

[topaz flare]

here: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/585062984619917342/830095693947469824/unknown.png

its most likely the name or name of something

[hallow vault]

is there any reason why we would think its the rundown name

[topaz flare]

theory

[hallow vault]

i figured it'd be a one-word name i guess

[neat thorn]

hm idk if that is the rundown name tbh

[topaz flare]

you say that like they give us something cool smh

[hallow vault]

r3 was "the vessel" so i suppose it could be possible

[topaz flare]

at least we can look out for a story kind missions like R3 but in diff ways

[queen adder]

"Psychological encoding" Creating fake, artificial memories. Is what I'm guessing

[topaz flare]

no

[queen adder]

Must be to let the prisoners they send down, to know how to operate the doors and such

[topaz flare]

its how warden sees what we see and how he ends our life

when ever you go down you can't die but if everyone go down you will die thats because warden pulls the switch (in my head cannon anyway)

or it will be another theory of mine clones

[queen adder]

Encoding, In psychology. Is your brain creating memories out of sensory input

[steady pilot]

me neither xD, I thought it was some sort of snatcher

[queen adder]

That is what Encoding is

[topaz flare]

you can see the coding with members of team and some others say i remember things

thats why clone theory works

[queen adder]

So this psychological encoding, is most likely implants and artificial memories. To help the prisoners complete their mission

maybe some fear suppressors

[hallow vault]

yeah for example the flavor text for r3c1

[topaz flare]

most likely or the original team memorys

[hallow vault]

the team remembers the alpha level

[queen adder]

Yep, one of the reason this game is a die and repeat game.

Memories between each team getting carried over

[topaz flare]

the most we hear of remembering things is the 2017 vid (that i love): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vSYJckIfi8

[queen adder]

you, the player. Is the memories.

[steady pilot]

But could it be possible that

The original team is still alive, just on a HSU, and then their mind is being injected in other prisoners so they can take control of it..?

[neat thorn]

i have heard of that theory, too

[steady pilot]

And then when those prisoners die, it is dead but the ones controlling it is still alive?

[queen adder]

Transference

[topaz flare]

there is a theory that sleepers can talk and it came from same vid

heeeee this is why i hate the lore in the game so little for so many

[steady pilot]

but the schaffer (dunno if right spelling) was able to survive and maintain a bit of his sanity, then could it be that they lost connection to his interface and was able to regain control of hisself

[topaz flare]

maybe and his survival is because (i think) he has a security bypass keycard

from somewhere

[neat thorn]

who is the schaffer?

[topaz flare]

the story line person that came with the R4.5

his logs are around levels (audio logs)

[neat thorn]

ahhhh

[topaz flare]

give me a moment

you can find it here https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/Rundown_004

[neat thorn]

yeah, Ik the logs just didn't know that the one you can hear on them was called like that

[steady pilot]

D2 and E1 logs were schaffer's if I'm not mistaken

[topaz flare]

yes and C1

[neat thorn]

what about A1?

[steady pilot]

Oh... C1 was Schaffer's?!

[topaz flare]

D2 surge door and E1 somewhere in the fog and C1 you can't miss it

[fallow canyon]

which one was the E1 log?

[steady pilot]

Havent personally seen D2 schaffer log

[neat thorn]

the one the snatcher got mentioned

[topaz flare]

schaffer running away from something

[steady pilot]

but E1 is at the end of the 2nd security door

[topaz flare]

cause its behind a surge door

[steady pilot]

The one with the multiple stealth team scan

[neat thorn]

me neither, didn't know there was one in D2 tbh ^^

[steady pilot]

yea, haven't tried D2 PE xD

[topaz flare]

its not behind PE

[steady pilot]

Its behind Overload, innit?

[topaz flare]

its the first generator door at the first class 5

[neat thorn]

is it the one in the Class V alarm room?

ah kk ^^

[topaz flare]

and sadly we don't have a keycard to get passed so we had to go in the hard way aka deal with the alarm

[steady pilot]

ahh..classed doors...I remember when they implemented a class 9 alarm on a B level 🤡

[topaz flare]

yes also no one ever goes in the surge alarm door but if you go in there its not only the log there is: supplys/fog turbine/big chargers/and the log

[steady pilot]

and it was an error as well xD (after the scan)

[topaz flare]

R2 was peak game cause it was hard

and annoying and bs and everything

[steady pilot]

yep.

[neat thorn]

i was only joining in January this year, never have seen the other rundowns except in videos, but that's not the same 😦

[topaz flare]

its kinda for greater good that you don't see them again

[neat thorn]

^^

[dull orchid]

r2d1 best stage ever

[hallow vault]

god that map was fog hell

getting downed by the spitters over and over

[real pewter]

just don't get down silly

eat all the ammo bag, medic bag on the map and then start swimming

[late basalt]

not that you were there :)

God R2D1 was such a good level

[wraith matrix]

Didn't R2D1 have that completely optional side zone to get cells with like 7 or 8 scouts

[devout geyser]

yes it was great

[wraith matrix]

literally there just for people to flex on each other

"Nah bro, I'm gonna get all these scouts before you"

[late basalt]

lol yep

[sand granite]

I found some audio on yt on the Schaffer

[magic bronze]

yeah

[sand granite]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bR-TScnigy8

[magic bronze]

people upload it to youtube

[sand granite]

Here, take this on the audio logs.

[graceful lotus]

does 'the long journey to the center of the earth' mean anything?

before you load in a lobby that text appears where the [Level: Name] is supposed to be

[worthy cove]

r1a3

[devout geyser]

just a placeholder

[lilac island]

Are the enemies people? Well were they people would prolly be a better way to phrase that. If so what happened? I was thinking ||that maybe these were people who were infested with some sort of parasite? The big worm-mouth that shoots out of their face is what makes me think that. The "mother" makes me question if these are just born as what they are? Is anything even canon with this?||

[calm drum]

The thing that shoots out of their face is known to be their intestines though no?

[lilac island]

Thats why I was asking if anything is canon, has this been explained?

[rich blaze]

Not in the canon

but Kolohe came up with an interesting theory about mutations induced by cancers, creating the sleepers as we know them

[manic shuttle]

Most believable theory its that is a parasite since it has teeth in ot if you slow down a recording

Kinda like a leech, it is more noticeable on big strikers

[calm drum]

Considering what else it's done to the body it doesn't seem like putting some teeth on the end of the intestines would be very difficult relatively speaking

[lilac island]

Intestines would not be tough enough to do what the mouth tubes do though. Intestines are pretty limp and weak compared to how muscular and tough a worm would be. Also a worm would be able to move freely about (what I think the "heart beats" are, the worms moving in the body cavity) but an intestine is pretty much just loose. So you would not be able to shoot it out, pull it in. Ya know?

[twilit girder]

what if there was a mutation that made muscle grow on the intestine

[lilac island]

Could be, but (as far as I understand) there would be little biological reason to do so. A parasite seems far more likely to me.

[cyan laurel]

A terminal in A3 talks about a virus spreading among workers at lower depths that caused aggression and self harm in workers that had contracted it. im betting the mutation is a result of whatever that virus was

[lilac island]

Oooo! Thats interesting! Explains the gas masks too! Didnt even think of that. This game def has me hooked already lmao.

[rich blaze]

Also : the thing against a parasite would be the fact that logs said there was no physical way of detect it and they were only calling it an epidemic with the symptoms
It's probable too that the thing that broke the camel's backs are actually the syringes
Considering they are either the last log before the start of the epidemic or the last log before everything went to hell (Depending on the year, which doesn't appear on the log)

"I know if the boost lasted longer it would be more convenient, but there are some ugly side effects that start popping up when I try to extend the duration of the effect. Just tell the miners to use the time well.
Regarding the “Injury Infection Liquid Pharmacon” syringe (“I2-LP” for short), the severity of the side effects are seemingly random and I haven’t found a way to get rid of them. I’ll keep working on it."

[civic pelican]

so that's what the 2 stood for

[silver vine]

2 I : Injury Infection

[lilac island]

i figured that the tongue was inside of the intestines, which is why the intestines of the strikers are distended

[lilac island]

Thats pretty interesting! So its confirmed as a virus than? This game keeps getting better and better in terms of lore! Thanks for putting this out here!

[lilac island]

That could also make sense, though I'm not sure what would act as the tongue in the instance. I doubt it could be the actual tongue because the tongue is connected to your jaw. I figured they were bloated due to having a massive parasitic worm in them lol. Like I said earlier, that's what I thought the heartbeat was too, the worm getting agitated and moving around (and becoming bio-luminescent).

[rich blaze]

Now, they could be wrong too, we just don't know what it is

[lilac island]

Oh fascinating.. I just picked up this game so Im fairly new to everything and haven't seen much for myself yet. I'm eager to see how this develops further! A viral infection would make more sense than a parasite in the case of it being harder to detect.

[rose cradle]

has anybody found a connection between the items found in the one year anniversary video with anything?

[lilac island]

Deeper you go more crazy and much severe alterations happen

[graceful lotus]

honestly made in abyss vibes

[dim scroll]

yee

[pseudo dock]

Hey guys - not sure if this is common knowledge, but I didn't see it on the wiki so I'm assuming not. If you go to the Santonian Industries website (https://www.santonianindustries.com/) and click the logo, then click the "missing image" icon, it opens up a terminal. There are several folders in the root directory, ARCHIVE001 to 003 contain logs from the first 3 rundowns, ARCHIVE004 is still "corrupted" (and will be restored with the release of RD5, presumably containing the RD4 logs). The final folder, called "CORRUPTED" contains one file which will have it's restoration finished in 2 days, 22 hours from now 👀

[frail pollen]

[rich blaze]

The terminal definitely was not known to us
Especially the files

[devout geyser]

all of the work i did... adding the logs to the wiki.. for nothing...

😭

thats amazing though.. i wonder what the corrupted file will be

[rich blaze]

So Monday at 8PM CEST

[devout geyser]

yeah seems like it

[wraith matrix]

woah

[pseudo dock]

It's still much appreciated! I enjoyed reading through them when I first got the game

[rich blaze]

Aye, it's still very helpful, considering we dug this out, well, only now

Speaking of things we probably missed out there in the open, did anyone try to contact Santonian?

[pseudo dock]

brb applying for a Santonian job via email

[acoustic harbor]

I can honestly say I've used the wiki to find out what log was released when and on what expedition... my personal documentation of that stuff was a bit lacking. So it wasn't for nothing - you've helped the devs even!

https://tenor.com/view/embarrased-cover-eyes-i-cant-watch-shy-dont-want-to-see-gif-13668598

[wraith matrix]

lol

[pseudo dock]

How long has the Terminal feature been on the website?

[devout geyser]

omg haha my purpose has been fulfilled

[wraith matrix]

I'm not sure tbh but I feel like it would have been mentioned before

probably

its too obvious to not be noticed soon after it was done

[pseudo dock]

To be fair, I stumbled upon it completely by accident. I was discussing GTFO lore with a couple friends, and the website author easter egg came up. One friend clicked on the logo, saw the broken image and made a remark about it. I didn't remember that being a thing before, so I did the same then clicked it again for fun, and boom terminal opens lol.

[wraith matrix]

would be pretty funny if it had been there a while and nobody noticed because they haven't updated it in so long

[kindred geyser]

see you guys again on monday lmao

[manic shuttle]

This is some quality hype for r5