gtfo-lore

[ionic dune]

Check temp lowkey

Dont want your cpu to die just yet

[autumn seal]

bit over 80C

[ionic dune]

Guessing this pushes it more than games

[autumn seal]

well yeah lol

unless the game's a bitcoin miner

[ionic dune]

Surely we can make it into smth that GPUS can process

[ionic dune]

gtfo moment

[autumn seal]

oh yeah that'd be way faster, but like I said I haven't learned any shading languages

and i'm not willing to go as far as to learn one for this lmao

[ionic dune]

Would it actually? I was memeing

[ionic dune]

Very true lmao

[ionic dune]

Tbf I don’t snow what makes things better for gpus or cpus

Gpus i know have more cores and such

[autumn seal]

numbers are what gpu's are good at

[summer mason]

all I know is 16gb of RAM is NOT enough

[autumn seal]

its not using much ram, that'd make it way slower

or any at al really

[ionic dune]

It’s enough to get by today (for normal peopel)

[summer mason]

and I should buy 2 16gb sodimms

[ionic dune]

No lmao

[summer mason]

no when GTFO

[summer mason]

wym

[ionic dune]

Isn’t everything just numbers

[ionic dune]

Have you seen the prices

[summer mason]

yes

[autumn seal]

yeah ram prices have tripled lol

[ionic dune]

🥀

W1l ive seen 32 GB ram kits for as much as like 500 usd

And i wasnt even looking for the most expensive

[summer mason]

200aud for 1 16gb sodimm is insane

[ionic dune]

Wait give me one second

[ionic dune]

That’s what i mean

[ionic dune]

What DDR is it?

[summer mason]

ddr4

[ionic dune]

100 usd here

[summer mason]

its for my laptop, I need to upgrade so I can not crash when GTFO

[ionic dune]

Close other stuff !!!!!

[autumn seal]

btw there's like 60 trillion years of unique password and I searched like 60 million in around 8 minutes, so it'd take like 5 hours to get to i32 max and astronomically long to actually go through all of them, I ain't finding a full 10 character match 😔

also this has noticeably heated up my room lmfao

[summer mason]

when I play GTFO I only have That And Discord bc I need to talk

[ionic dune]

😭

[ionic dune]

Vro doesn’t snow about the hidden tasks

[summer mason]

I do snow, but I have everything disabled

and im still 15.5gb when playing

[ionic dune]

Ain’t nor way gtfo and discord taking up 16 GB 🥀

[summer mason]

and it crashes so often

[autumn seal]

best i can do im afraid

finding the full string isn't possible on a cpu i think lol

[summer mason]

remind me to play when this happens

[ionic dune]

Surely ChatGPT can cook it up for gpus

[autumn seal]

sure

[autumn seal]

i won't stop you from trying lmao

[ionic dune]

Well i was gonna ask cahtgpt and see what it’d make, not at my pc tho so someone’s gonna have to remind me

Or i remote home to it and tell my mom to turn it on

decision decisions

[autumn seal]

anyway I give up on finding the full string but here's the code lol

[ionic dune]

Ill run this overnight one day maybe

🤔

[autumn seal]

even then it'll just go until it hits i32::MAX which isn't guaranteed to have the string

it can easily find 5 or 6 character substrings, but for full string matches you're gonna need something orders of magnitudes faster

someone I'm in vc with gave it to claude to turn into gpu code lmao

apparently you don't even need to rewrite it to c++ because there's a rust crate that does that

cpu is back at 65° 😌

it did not deserve this

[copper pine]

Just 3747377171 qol mods for gtfo and its possible

[tawny sedge]

i am fuster

[thin surge]

I agree with him

[copper pine]

Nah

He looks like someone named TomGoose

[tawny sedge]

great lore right?

[autumn seal]

oh yeah now that I greatly improved the speed and range of the algorithm, I can tell you that slendi (with that exact spelling) first appears in Year 30,136,850 - gonna take a minute
Found: SLEND-IZ7WR (Year 30136850, Week 16) (matched 'SLEND-I')

[raw terrace]

YAYYY

[next panther]

Does FROST-YBOII appear

Or with some letters replaced with numbers

Like FR0ST-YB011

[autumn seal]

I'd need to gpu accelerate it to find that out, finding a full string match is orders of magnitude harder than finding a substring with length <=6

[next panther]

Ya

[autumn seal]

it's gpu accelerated now

courtesy of claude, I have no idea how OpenCL works

though now instead of it being virtually impossible to find a full string match among like 30 possibilities (with various leet speak combinations) it'd take like 10 hours on average and 20+ in worst case

[autumn seal]

well I can already tell you that it, nor any variation of it, appears in the next 60 billion years

[next panther]

I guess I can wait

[autumn seal]

I've searched 170 billion years with no hits 😔

considering the sun dies in 5 billion years, I don't know how high our chances of seeing it in the game are

the first occurence of "DOW" is in year 2192...
Found: YXSQ5-NDOWC at Year 2192, Week 21

this can only mean that's the release date

[coral gorge]

Good work shiru
See you all in 200 years

[ionic dune]

Release date found 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

@dull crest we (shiru but I’m taking credit too) solved the Dow ARG

[coral gorge]

You are suggesting GTFO will not survive the end of this solar system
But surely someone will one day take the entire steam catalogue to another planet

[coral gorge]

why only you are taking credit?
Let’s just say all of us here provided… uhhh mental support and as such also have solved it

[ionic dune]

Cuz I’m a selfish prick :>

[ionic dune]

Only GTFO and Dow will be taken with

[coral gorge]

How evil of you

[ionic dune]

;>

[coral gorge]

truly the 2 best video games of all time, worth being immortalised

[ionic dune]

Frfr

[copper pine]

But then who will play them

When everybody dies

[coral gorge]

it will be the mythical 4 bot run
Where the bots finally master the game and beat it without a player even existing

[sacred maple]

neural network plays gtfo

[thin surge]

Its called a beginner lobby in R1A1

[coral gorge]

”the irl warden plays GTFO”

[coral gorge]

Hm
Possibly
But atleast the bots wouldn’t wake up every room

[oblique pasture]

I searched the next 1.436 trillion years, still no @next panther ascii codes to be found. This side-quest has been fun and kept my office warm, thank you.

[gray bone]

...Office?

[ionic dune]

Well it generates a lot of heat and their office prolly has the best pc/gpu

[gray bone]

I wonder how much power that took

[autumn seal]

he said about 600W while it's running iirc

and it ran for a couple hours

also for reference there's 3.6 quadrillion of passwords in total, which makes for around 70 trillion years

and we're searching for 32 possible leet speak variations of Frostyboii

[ionic dune]

What would be like the best specs for doing these types of puzzles? Got a 7900 xtx at home but don’t think vram will be the deciding factor

[autumn seal]

nick is using a threadripper and rtx 6000

[ionic dune]

Nevermind lmao

[autumn seal]

yeah lol

he got it to 400 Million years / second for one string and 140 Million years / second for 32 (all the frostyboii variations we're looking for)

if my math isn't off it would take 48 hours to search every password for one string with that and 4 hours on average to find a frostyboii variations

assuming consistent speed

[ionic dune]

Surely frosty would pay the electricity bill

This is sounding like mining bitcoin 😭

[autumn seal]

not too far off

[copper pine]

Yeah it definitly eats a ton of ram and occupies the gpu

[oblique pasture]

Surprisingly, no ram pressure. One core of cpu pegged, gpu almost completely pegged. <2gb of vram usage.

CPU spent its time transferring result sets to/from the gpu and checking if something was found.

Parallelizing the search space is way more efficient when finding more variations. Cpu is the bottleneck on one search term, capping the gpu utilization around 40%.

I stopped cause I figured 100x the age of the known universe is probably far enough. By the time we get near that horizon we should have better gpus and ram prices may even have fallen by then.

[coral gorge]

ram prices falling?
Maybe once the universe grinds to a stop

[copper pine]

Ram prices will fall once nothing will exist

Or we make every person get their memory wiped and remove all of the servers for every ai

[tawny sedge]

Big Lore news @thin surge i am in fact.... still fuster...

[thin surge]

Debatable at this point

[tawny sedge]

whats a deba table???

[eternal talon]

happy new year, my fellow slaves

[ionic dune]

Happy new year frostty 🫡

How was your new years?

[eternal talon]

i slept through it lol

i have a cat that doesnt like explosives

[ionic dune]

Unfortunate, we were gonna watch the horses but I got too sick to drive

[coral gorge]

happy new year

[coral gorge]

In a way, the best way to spend it

I made the silly decision to sit until midnight to watch fireworks
All the fireworks were behind trees so i saw nothing
Truly peak end of the year experience

[royal crow]

Climb the tree

[coral gorge]

Good idea, I’ll consider it next year

[past vessel]

@eternal talon Do we have a list of all non-KSO Santonian Employees available with their job titles if known?

[eternal talon]

not that I have

but i figure you could probably assemble quite a few names from the combined total of logs

it'd just take... a while

i figure the most annoying of that would be cross referencing logs that mention the same characters with new information

[past vessel]

alright, I can get to that

[thin surge]

We have 1 log that lists some of the main mentioned characters with their job title but outside that you'd likely have to scavenge through the other logs by dimension to pick up their titles and designations. I could look here in a bit at which log specifically has the list of names (not 000)

[past vessel]

yeah, I interpret 000 log as KSOs for the most part (since it clearly mentions at least a handful of known KSOs)

[thin surge]

Ill lyk when I get home and can look at my spreadsheet. I believe it has several of the Insight, SMC, and KDS employees on it

[north obsidian]

how long would it take to finish reading the longest log in r2b2

[solid swan]

Long

[ionic dune]

Like 5 mins

You don’t need to read the entire thing though

[ionic dune]

(That’s whilst spamming a key)

[ionic dune]

Unless you really want to (logs achievement only needs you to ”open” the log)

[north obsidian]

ive already done the logs achievement

i was simply curious

[next panther]

Yeah like 5 mins or smth

[thin surge]

If you actually want to read it, its incredibly repetitive and boring but viewing all of it at the terminal load speed takes about 5 mins of holding enter

[north obsidian]

what is there to read

just names and random locations

they probably just had a it randomly add names ids locations

no way someone would type allofthat

[raw terrace]

addin to that question in questions with questions

[royal crow]

Omg Slendo

[raw terrace]

cuz chafi said some true stuff in c2, "do you think they would want copies of themselves in the new universe? would you? they ar you! what would u do?"

if alt was gonna betray og, og just did it firstt

[raw terrace]

hih!!!!

[royal crow]

But most importantly
ALT isn't the perfect team they suck
OG is better

[thin surge]

Names, universe/Membrane IDs. Pretty much nothing terribly important since nearly every important dimension isn't mentioned in them

[vagrant forum]

what is the black crystal in the mwp

and is it the same as the crystals in alpha

[eternal talon]

yes

we don't know what it is.

[past vessel]

We do know that the Data Cubes contain Cretasium though, right? Due to R8B2

[raw terrace]

yes

crretasium platters

[warped bloom]

On the wiii it says the crystals are alsi cretasium 77a tho

[eternal talon]

i'd need a sauce for that

because i don't believe it personally

[warped bloom]

https://gtfo.wiki.gg/wiki/Destination it says "Throughout Destination, various black crystals can be seen near cliff faces. This material is Cretasium 77a, the same material used in the Matter Wave Projector and Data Cubes. The backside of Flyers and Big Flyers are also crystalline with the same structure, implying they eat these crystals to explain their teleporting capabilities."

[eternal talon]

the wiki isn't a source

i meant the log/logs that the wiki is quoting

[warped bloom]

well then the wiki is wrong

[past vessel]

I can update it in a bit

[eternal talon]

I'm not saying it's wrong

I'm saying I don't think that is true but I don't know and I'd love to see in the logs as to why the wiki says that

Maybe it's true. Idk

[thin surge]

We dont get any description on the crystals that appear besides that brief one where it talks about them merging with KDS tech shortly after teleportation experiments start

[warped bloom]

well it references 2 logs that dont say anything about the projector

[past vessel]

Datacubes are what it means, I see

[royal crow]

So

Cubes?

[warped bloom]

well one log does show some scientist suggesting the crystal could be caterium

cretasium

[next panther]

I think it’s cobblestone

[thin surge]

Now we're getting somewhere

[eternal talon]

It was my thought (understanding) that cretasium was a metal-like material that the ship was mostly made out of

Like how we build buildings out of steel and concrete

That it, as an alloy, simply was mistaken for iridium

And that cretasium-77a didn't really have significance beyond that

• just it being a generically super good structural material that the collectors used to make stuff out of

Not that it had any direct/important significance to the data cubes, mwp, artifacts, etc

[warped bloom]

Well i read that the data cubes contained cretasium "platters"

[raw terrace]

i remembs chafi saying it

onnnn r8b2 i think

[eternal talon]

so, like a stand?

you're not really selling me tbh

how's the video btw cluck?

[ionic dune]

I sure hope not considering human trafficking is illegal :3

[eternal talon]

'selling me on the idea'

it's an expression

[ionic dune]

I know

Was being cheeky

[eternal talon]

if anyone is selling anyone it's the american government selling inmates to kovac

which checks out lol

[ionic dune]

Very true

[warped bloom]

no

[eternal talon]

a platter by definition is a plate

[warped bloom]

theres multiple definitions

[eternal talon]

so like a solid, round, hunk of metal

because i'm thinking like u235 platters

[warped bloom]

schaeffer is hinting that its like the discs on a hard drive

[eternal talon]

We need to erase everything off the datacubes before we write new navigation components to them. Project Insight research indicates datacubes contain magnetized Cretasium platters and are susceptible to intense magnetic fields. That means a degausser should wipe all data on them. I've had the Warden drop you into a Material Refinery sector. You should know there are reports of "membranous deformities" in this sector. I don't know what you'll find down there, but only refinery terminals have a degausser option, so here you are. I also don't know what will happen when you subject those datacubes to a high frequency AC magnetic field, so... good luck.

hmm

one sentence is far from specific

[warped bloom]

hes either saying wipe the data on the datacubes or frrom the platters. but he is saying "them" after mentioning the platters so

[eternal talon]

and i still don't see what it has to do with the crystals

the crystals power the MWP, not the data cubes

the data cubes are used to make the mwp not do random jumps

[warped bloom]

well i was responding to this about the data cubes

[eternal talon]

i'm not too sure how hard drives work, let alone alien hard drives

but if it's like burning data into a disk

the disk just could be made of cretasium

[warped bloom]

all i found about creatasium being linked to the crystals is a log about some scientist called Marcus saying "I don't know much about geology, but the rock looks crystalline to me. Perhaps this is the Cretasium substance I have heard about? but thats not a direct confirmaiton

[eternal talon]

We’re looking into the possibility that the behavior of the artifacts may be inhibited or regulated in some manner by Cretasium 77A. It has been found in large quantities throughout the fossil and it’s the only material that does not disappear when introduced to the… hello? Hello? Dr. Hammerstein? Uhm… where was I? Uh… pause recording.

**The silicon resin does temporarily block the jump defect, so that has helped. It decays pretty quickly as the Cretasium eats through it, but it means we actually can touch the artifacts at least. **

**Sector analysis complete. The mass extends 2,215 (+/- 372m) meters from apex to nadir. Width estimate is 1,247 meters (+/- 208m). As suspected, it is largely made up of the newly discovered Cretasium 77a material, and surrounded by a thin membrane of iridium. Further analysis is required to determine if the material composition mirrors the artifacts. The data suggests the composition of the "egg" is not identical to the artifacts, but shares properties. This suggests a similar origin.

Core composition analysis follows:

cretasium 77a: 38.60%
oxygen: 27.34%
silicon: 12.12%
aluminum: 5.13%
iridium: 3.32%
sodium: 3.26%
calcium: 2.57%
potassium: 2.10%
magnesium: 2.03%
titanium: 1.14%
hydrogen: 0.93%
phosphorous: 0.77%
carbon: 0.54%

+trace strontium, barium, manganese, fluorine, sulfur, zirconium, tungsten, chlorine, copper, nickel, nitrogen, zinc.**

nearly 40% of the entire ship is cretasium

it's gotta be structural

there is like, no other way imo

like we use steel, iron, concrete, wood, etc

just more advanced

aluminum

etc

[warped bloom]

well theyre aliens

[eternal talon]

yes

https://tenor.com/view/aliens-gif-16079147420940215315

ancient aliens

[warped bloom]

well our hard drive platters can be made out of aluminum

[eternal talon]

yeah, that's not solid enough as a straight source. that's just an in-character guess

it's interesting that he calls out that it's crystalline though

since the corridors of the fossil are described to look like lava tubes

(ala a volcano)

which... i don't think obsidian would be crystalline

it's more like glass, no?

[warped bloom]

yes

[eternal talon]

Additional: Several large, clear tubes can be seen on the true color gamma print, starting at the approximate center point of the mass. They do not appear to be lava tubes; the composition materials are too dense to be affected by any heat generated by volcanic activity.

**These locations are collectively known as "the Inner". This area has a separate classification due to evidence of geologic compacting and sedimentary settling. This implies an ancient impact or explosion. You may read my report titled [redacted] for further information on those findings.

Having pinpointed the location of several chambers in zones [redacted] and [redacted], I have approved a comprehensive mapping and exploration of those zones. I am certain these chambers are not the result of natural geologic processes. An initial report, by one of my staff (not me) suggested they were lava tunnels. I have rejected that conclusion as there is no evidence of volcanic activity in this area and the chambers are too symmetrical to have been formed by any natural mechanism.

I believe we are looking at evidence of [redacted]. I am confident that the chambers were been constructed by [redacted], though, as yet we do not know how or why they were made. Certainly, a great mystery for me to tackle.

I have ordered any objects found within the Inner to remain in situ for the time being. It is my responsibility to establish protocols for all future explorations, so we will start as if we were freshmen archeologists, shifting soil for the first time. We will organize and classify first, then once more is known we shall consider excavation, removal, and transportation. As I believe any artifacts we find will be [redacted], we will need to stay alert to the possibility of [redacted].
**

the only thing really similar is they are both shiny-black materials

though the crystals on destination go near-full transparent in sunlight

look at this

[severe fulcrum]

I've actually never been to destination myself so I can't say for sure, but couldn't these be highly reflective instead of transparent?

based on this image

[eternal talon]

How have you never been to destination!?

[severe fulcrum]

trouble getting friends to play lol

[eternal talon]

Also it depends. I have more pics that I'll post when I get home.

[eternal talon]

Just solo r6b1. If I can do it, so can you

[severe fulcrum]

playing with people here got me through R1 and a larger part of R2

great move on my part to join

[eternal talon]

I could spend hours there. The vibes are incredible

Very desolate and alone

[thin surge]

they are lightly transparent with surface light still bouncing off a little bit

[eternal talon]

reposting an old quiz...

Answer: ||.....2063.....||

Answer: ||......Dean......||

Answer: ||......Maya......||

Answer: ||........Teale........||

Answer: ||......Artus......||

Answer: ||....32,000....||

Answer: ||........Florida........||

Answer: ||...2042...||

Answer: ||.Capreolatus.||

Answer: ||....NGC 6302....||

feel free to post your scores below!

[ionic dune]

I feel like this one could use some rephrasing 😭

[eternal talon]

the current date/time of gameplay isn't known.

which one of those dates is closest to the most recent 'known' time

[ionic dune]

Ye but like one could interpret it as to now

Instead of in game date

[eternal talon]

i mean i guess, but this is #gtfo-lore

[ionic dune]

Ye ik

I got 4🥀

Should’ve remembered which civilization it was

[eternal talon]

||isaiah is woods' first name||

||dean lockwood is an important lore character, but not a kso||

[ionic dune]

Yea I just didn’t snow if it was part of OG quad or not

[raw terrace]

only the last one wrong qwq

[ruby meadow]

We twinning

[loud urchin]

i did not click on the polls, but 8/10

failed: who doesn't work for/on insight, where is destination located

[copper pine]

10/10 (totaly didnt read spoilers 1st trust)

[warped bloom]

No spamming 😡

[eternal talon]

it's automatic

blame discord

[royal crow]

https://tenor.com/view/oguri-cap-uma-musume-gif-4423954536754592947

[gray bone]

oguri nap

[tawny sedge]

For all those that were paying attention to the major lore news;
Sad to announce that I am infact.... not @thin surge

[thin surge]

This is news to me, Ill have to add it to the vid

[loud urchin]

next round of news: white is not black

the signs were there all along for those who paid mind

[past vessel]

@eternal talon Is this log from R7B2 incorrect?

alias:int_server.1024_ciph.tier5.high_core/APirosA134.flagged

From: Anders Johanson A029

To: Andre Piros A134

Date: August 08th 2053

Subject:

Unless you get approached about this matter, no further action is needed on your part.

Anders.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

D-Lock Block Cipher

alias:int_server.1024_ciph.tier5.med_core/AJohansonA029.flagged

Mr Johanson,

On August 8th at 07:48 a Santonian employee was discovered in the hydrostasis unit storage area

Mr. Piros has advised me of your request for more Kovac involvement in future expeditions. The current approach to operative debriefing, situation training, and resource management will not scale well for your proposed usage. However, we do have a command system that will fit your needs.

BIOCOM. Managing operations through BIOCOM would ensure full coverage for all future expeditions, coordinate additional stationed security posts throughout the facility, and provide round the clock protection or surveillance for all POIs within the theatre of operation (currently Garganta itself and the red zone on the peninsula). BIOCOM is a DI that will take control of resource tracking, supply management, objective specific training, operative briefing, and rapid response deployment.

That's the pitch done. The long and the short of it is BIOCOM handles things better than any human can. It doesn't sleep, doesn't make bad decisions based on compassion, and unlike human COs, has a 100% success rate for all fifteen of its deployments (if you need to know more, we'll have to do some paperwork). It still requires human oversight to handle some of the more sensitive ethical considerations, but even that can be pre-programmed to fit your ruleset.

It would take a few months to transition over. We should start now.

Anders Johanson```

From Johanson to Andre Piros, so the email should read the first line as "Mr. Piros,"

Or, the end of the email shouldn't have the Anders Johanson, one of the two

it reads a bit weird to me

[eternal talon]

i can't say if it's from that specific expedition, as there are simply too many to remember.

it looks like a forwarded message

like it was written, sent out, then attatched to a note and sent to piros.

oh

i see the problem now.

yeah, that looks like a typo.

though i'm uncertain who the intended original recepient would be, if it was indeed piros or otherwise

[opaque jay]

Not sure if this is really a lore question but does r8e2 finish in a different part of KDS deep than r8e1? R8e1 looks identical to r5e1 but r8e2 looks quite different and I can’t quite figure out why

I say identical, excluding the huge crater

[raw terrace]

R8E1 is on the same place as R5E1 yes, u enter through a side hole in the wall

R8E1 is if im not mistaken above both tho

thats why the cylinders the same but diff

or maybs its below i dont remember

[next panther]

The door that’s next to where you grab the cubes in e2 is the door the e1 team comes through

[raw terrace]

oh is it

wait no it cant

r5e1 doesnt line up nor r8e1 since its the same layout

r8e2s is vastly different

[past vessel]

R8E2 is directly underneath both R8E1 and R5E1 with the latter two sharing the same 2nd to last zone and all three missions sharing the exact same final zone

[raw terrace]

maybs im misremembering

its been a while

[past vessel]

In R5E1, you cant go downstairs because the railings aren't raised/lowered

In R8E1, you cant go downstairs because the downstairs is destroyed and you arrive in there directly after the OG Team escapes

[raw terrace]

and where the whole other room in r5e1

[past vessel]

it's embedded in the wall

[raw terrace]

M

[past vessel]

the power has been long since turned off in KDS Deep and the doors are all closed

you have no reason to enter the portal room canonically at that point but it's there

prisoners dont have the MWP yet anyways

[raw terrace]

in the wall

aaa

[past vessel]

do you need me to drop in

[raw terrace]

nuh

i have a screnshot

hold on

[past vessel]

I am dropping in

[raw terrace]

ok maybe

yes pls

i dont see it

ando was a cutie and took a screenshot of my r5e1 run but its high ksks

[raw terrace]

ON THE WALL

i cannot tell what the 2nd image is ngl

i csannot distinguish any angle

[past vessel]

I am on the top level looking down at the elevator for this maintenance platform

remember that R5E1 and R8E1 take place at the exact same mission drop elevation of 984m

and R8E2 is just a little bit beneath that at 1004m

all three missions end up in Z545 and through correlation of being able to see and stand in the destroyed portal room in R8E1, you can therefore come to a definitive conclusion that this is the exact same depth of KDS Deep's massive canonical verticality

[raw terrace]

so it is omg-

iive been living a lie

[past vessel]

it is a very cool way of demonstrating how the complex is connected on a much larger scale

[eternal talon]

different layers. KDS-Deep is fucking huuuuuge
**The board at Santonian have decided that the offer is acceptable.

Santonian will allocate a further 30,000 sqm of space for KDS Deep. This is in addition to the existing area you have allocated for Legion storage and the Biocom installation.**

• DGV-788-OMG

outside of r5e1, we've only seen/been to a tiny portion of it. though i can't say for certain because it extends up/down into the fog, there are likely several of these vaults in DEEP alone.

i'm not sure if r8e1 shows the same chamber as r5e1

i think it's supposed to, level generation not withstanding, but i can't say for certain

and r5e1 doesn't have the warp gate and stuff

so a minimum of two vaults.

(r5e1 and r8e2)

[eternal talon]

are we sure about that? obviously the tile wouldn't exist because it wasn't modeled by 10cc until r6, but was there a door there and stairs that perfectly line up?

[eternal talon]

idk... it's a bit murky. you never go into the portal room in r8e1 iirc.

so you can only ever see r5e1's room and r8e2's.

r8e1 ends in a giant pit full of rubble with a broken freight lift that has come crashing down from the ceiling.

it's also not perfectly ahead like you would expect... the pit is... offset?

this is just judging from my pictures though, i havn't played in a long time.

add all of this with the matter wave collapse, it's a PITA to tell what is what for sure

[opaque jay]

Makes sense. I guess I assumed that r5e1 and r8e1 were the same considering the similarities (catwalk) and the rooms leading up to zone 545, or at least that’s what the devs intended

[past vessel]

Unit B-7 being the other canonical name for KDS Deep

[eternal talon]

i should mention for clarity, that there are also smaller localized vaults outside of DEEP, as seen in r7a1.

all in all, garganta has storage for 32,000 ksos.

24k in deep, and 8k outside it.

[opaque jay]

Dayum

[eternal talon]

whether it actually has 32,000 ksos... is unlikely.

a large majority would have most likely died during the last few years of human resistance in garganta

[eternal talon]

true, but in the context of that log (dealing with generators and power supply) and the fact that it was built into garganta later and wasn't a part of the original plans, it's probably simply a designation for that sector and it all runs on the same grid/generator.

...which makes me question the 'b' in b-7.

r5e1 isn't anywhere close to a b-tier expedition in elevation.

[past vessel]

the elevations for tiers in R5 is pretty wack, just look at the elevation for R5A3

[eternal talon]

unless garganta is structured something like this, i guess

add or subtract letters, add or subtract floors.

[past vessel]

from this screenshot, once you get past the crashed HSU elevator that we can recognize from R5E1's extraction tile, that's the end of the cylindrical column we typically see, and beyond that, the big central pit, is where the translocation chamber would be slated to be alongside where the door would be and maintenance bridge

the OG Team takes all that with them

and thankfully this part is clearly visible

[eternal talon]

still weirdly offset tho

oh, i do have a picture from the top of r8e2

[past vessel]

hard for me to get pics inside jungle without triggering the end credits

[eternal talon]

yeah that cable structure is... different

[eternal talon]

it's pretty much all gm_flatgrass terrain in the distance.

no substance, just geometry

like destination, sadly

just diff textures

[eternal talon]

strange. no clue why the hole is shifted 20 foot to the left.

[past vessel]

that part I am not wholly sure on either

[eternal talon]

because it isn't just the explosion--it was a hole already

[past vessel]

yeah

part of knowing the lore as much as I do now makes me kind of dislike that R8E1 is called Valiant even though it is a fine name

because this is not Valiant Chamber

[eternal talon]

no lmao

[past vessel]

Kovac was specifically denied access

[eternal talon]

still, i wish we got to see the ship.

[past vessel]

Valiant would be perfect for an expedition to Valiant Chamber

[eternal talon]

get bent automod

[past vessel]

it's gotten me a couple times too

[eternal talon]

whenever i copy paste from logs, i put it in bold

that is straight lore being blocked lol

[past vessel]

Does Project Insight have any notable facilities with a rough equivalent to KDS Deep

because as far as I know it's just the Translocation Chambers as their primary

[eternal talon]

you know, i actually have no idea...

also 'translocation chamber' simply means the room a teleporter is in.

etc

[past vessel]

yep

aka portal room

[eternal talon]

as to their labs, we know they exist, because they lost equipment,

but i don't think we ever got a meaure of scale

let alone where hammerstein, stokes, durant were working

back during ogr6 i had the impression that that was what r6c1 was,

because of the intercom audio tapes,

but in hindsight that doesn't make much sense given the tileset.

[past vessel]

yeah, they are usually tied to Tech environments with the exception of R7C2 and R8E2 which are Mining environments

[past vessel]

my question is what are datacubes doing in Floodways, that seems like an awful place to store them canonically

something like R8B1 feels much more appropriate

[eternal talon]

i agree, but then again we found the mwp just on a random shelf in storage in a r7 secondary.

like it's some scp safe-class object

[past vessel]

only way to explain that (especially since R7C2 has power near completely turned off and bulkheads all sealed) is that it warped there as mentioned in the stokes log

that they can warp when touched

[eternal talon]

well that's the issue...

in pretty much all instances when they've been touched, r6a1, r6c1, r6d4, etc, they follow the standard rules; teleporting to a different dimension as well as location

at least in the case of r6d4 it is another universe's garganta, but still

[past vessel]

oh hey I actually didn't catch this before

Stokes log #1 from R6C1

[Hear]say on. This is Dr. Rebecca Stokes. I’ve just arrived from Houston and have joined Project Insight as the new Analysis Overseer. I’m going to be working my way through the Hammerstein Collection, item by item over the next few weeks. Okay, let’s start with artifact 7 of the collection, the Matter Wave Projector. “The team have coated the artifact with a silicone resin to prevent further accidents.

[eternal talon]

yep, clearly though by the time of gameplay the circumstances have changed.

'further accidents' likely alludes to the lost cowerkers and lab section.

[past vessel]

Hearsay on. This is Dr. Stokes. I uhh… I have some thoughts on artifacts 13, 14 and 17. I’m referring to these items as “The Data Blocks”, my theory is that the Blocks hold digital data of some description. We haven’t found a way to access this data yet, but I have James working on an interface. The Blocks share design aesthetics with the Matter Wave Projector. As far as I can tell they are constructed of similar materials… Dr. Hammerstein disagrees, but he always does so… useless. I’m confident the Blocks are supposed to attach to the Matter Wave Projector, unfortunately the workers who discovered these artifacts also disappeared. The fact they can’t be found anywhere in Garganta and that BIOCOM literally has no trace of their BioSigs anywhere, is remarkable. I’m trying not to speculate too much but they went “somewhere”! We’re looking into the possibility that the behavior of the artifacts may be inhibited or regulated in some manner by Cretasium 77A. It has been found in large quantities throughout the fossil and it’s the only material that does not disappear when introduced to the… hello? Hello? Dr. Hammerstein? Uhm… where was I? Uh… pause recording.

[eternal talon]

'well enough alone' is pretty much the motto of gtfo

so many mistakes and reckless/selfish actions.

[past vessel]

Hearsay on. So, I figured out a way to; eh not me, I mean one of my team. Nolan was it? Uhm, Nolan figured out a test we could run on the artifacts that might help us understand; I CAN HEAR YOU OUT THERE! I TOLD YOU I DON’T WANNA BE DISTURBED! HELLO?! [Sigh] We initiated a jump with the Matter Wave Projector but with the different configurations of the Data Blocks; they are navigation blocks. I don’t know how we can figure out where they go to without actually going there ourselves, but at least we know. What else? **The silicon resin does temporarily block the jump defect, so that has helped. It decays pretty quickly as the Cretasium eats through it, but it means we actually can touch the artifacts at least. **

so by the time we get it the silicone has likely worn off

[eternal talon]

#i just touched a weird thing i found in the tunnels and now i'm in dune. pls help

[eternal talon]

i mean hey, this also helps prove crystals =/= cretasium

as the crystals are inside the mwp, not the shell

then again, smc built the shell around whatever the device originally was...

[past vessel]

silicone resin is clear/cloudy, almost like glass in appearance unless dyed

[eternal talon]

i'd suggest it being corrosive, but that wouldn't make sense for a structural material that makes up...

cretasium 77a: 38.60% of the ship.

i know some alloys like brass (copper) are antimicrobial

but that is a bit different

[past vessel]

given that is such a substantial part of the ship, and Collectors traverse across membranes doing their collecting thing, it definitely isn't unreasonable to assume Cretasium is across every Membrane that Collectors have been to

additionally, in R8E2, you do see those very crystals all of a sudden even though they are NOT in KDS Deep

[eternal talon]

i mean, that's one argument

the other argument is that they load the fuck up, floor to ceiling, with it between voyages like submariners do with food and supplies

i like this back and forth. it's good to talk lore occasionally.

[past vessel]

these massive crystals are suddenly jabbing into the translocation chamber

[eternal talon]

lmao clipping

is this post jump to jungle?

[past vessel]

yep

only post jump

[eternal talon]

the collectors did have these coordinates saved,

maybe it isn't that rare, but just uncommon?

i mean earth doesn't have it, so it isn't every world

and it'd be weird if the same mineral with the same bizzare properties appeared again and again with frequency

like...

coal, for instance, is very fucking rare in the universe, but super common on earth

any planet with plantlife would likely end up with coal sooner or later, but it's that plant life that's the biggest hurdle that makes it rare

[past vessel]

Yeah

[eternal talon]

so it could be all of the planets they had saved had the material so they knew where to go to stock up

the only time we go to other earths are when the data cubes are corrupted

ie; wrong data

idk.

[past vessel]

The most curious thing about these crystals to me is that they are on the Flyer/Big Flyer’s backs

[eternal talon]

honestly, i don't find it too confusing.

they can teleport locally.

they probably just have some biological means to do what the collectors use them to do technologically

[past vessel]

Yeah, they do demonstrate that as early as R6B1

A sort of rift appears and the Flyers come through

[past vessel]

this is the direction I was thinking as well

[eternal talon]

obv, they would have taken over the multiverse in the some 5.5 billion or so years (i forget the number translation)

if they could teleport between worldlines

[past vessel]

Not only does it appear they can do so, but they FOLLOWED us after the return matter wave jump and they just keep pouring in

[eternal talon]

we left the mwp in the machine

r6...c3? we served as a distraction so (presumably) another team could go get the mwp for us to use it in r6d1

...so they'd have an easier time collecting it.

just floaters instead of, the horde we deal with

[past vessel]

“damn it team we left the interdimensional door open”

[eternal talon]

that'd've been cool as a sort of 'bonus mission'

playing the other side of r6c3.

an 'oops all floaters'

aren't there two missions where we are a distractionary force?

[past vessel]

R5B4

[eternal talon]

what's that one for? do we know/can we guess?

[past vessel]

where is that elevation list I had…

[eternal talon]

so they can do an r1c1 in an r5?

(a comparably easy reactor in a hard rundown)

[past vessel]

What is TDS analysis?

looking through more stuff

[eternal talon]

@rocky wraith

[past vessel]

For R5B4, I can see this being for two main reasons: diverting enemies exactly like R6C3 is for another team, or diverting the enemies from another sector we visit

[honest summit]

i assume it has to do something with this. Prolly Artifacts solved in something, or even related to the birthers?

[eternal talon]

counterpoint to 2: if we are diverting them to kill them, why not just kill them there?

[past vessel]

R5C2 Overload is confirmed to be for unlocking doors for another team

[past vessel]

very true

[past vessel]

something like this for the purposes here sounds like trying to determine water/solution quality for another purpose

It’s specifically referring to the GLP-1’s you get in that same mission

[honest summit]

Alternatively there is also Thermal desorption spectroscopy, but i am not sure why would warden need to do that

[rocky wraith]

allo

[honest summit]

Greetings

https://tenor.com/view/winston-gif-27177732

[rocky wraith]

yo

[rocky wraith]

for my best guess(I havent looked at the story in a while), this was when we were getting a bunch of reactants and DNA samples right for the clone?

[warped bloom]

when i search up tds i get something else 🇺🇸

[past vessel]

yes, we are gathering DNA Samples and lots of GLP-1's at this point

[rocky wraith]

If its for helping make the clone, then accurate ppm measurements of samples after years of degradation is necessary because it allows us to see how many plasmids are in the samples so it can not completely screw up the creation of the clone

somethiong along those lines, essentially checking the integrity of the ingredients we have gathered at that point

Much of what is in garganta is not in great state. Making sure your solutions are dissolving correctly helps

[past vessel]

especially since I know GLP-1's usually need to be refrigerated and we don't actually get them from fridges, they are just in lockers and boxes

(Note: there are such fridges in Labs)

[raw terrace]

we do divert aggresive biomasses if they are too strong, like r4d2
so maybe this was moreso to bring em little by little

[rocky wraith]

yush. in-lore we can imagine that the GLP-1 is preserved appropriately with a selection of chaperone proteins in an inert solution

[rocky wraith]

I think it was diverting so another team can sort out electrical issues

while we can kill all thats there, if more are on their way, theyd be after us, not the team checking issues

[honest summit]

idk, if it truly were to divert power, warden wouldnt just lock us in and wait 30 minutes

[raw terrace]

well thay was option 1

of the convo

i was arguing for option 2

[rocky wraith]

not diverting power. diverting aggressive masses of enemies

[honest summit]

i see what you mean now, misread this line

[rocky wraith]

Remember that the masses of enemies are technically infinite. Which is why they cant just be outright killed for an area

they can only be diverted

[rocky wraith]

like the whole, overlapping gargantas because of mwp

[past vessel]

I mean even aside this, Cocoons are capable of generating absurd amounts of biomass incredibly quickly

they are shown to be able to respawn every enemy except Flyers and Nightmares

[rocky wraith]

yup, but not all areas have cocoons

and neither do they retain their aggression

[past vessel]

I really, really wish we had more details on Cocoons lorewise

[past vessel]

Except for R5B3 Secondary it's all dormant stuff yeah

[rocky wraith]

mood. there's a lot that is just up to me to interprit for the chat

[past vessel]

The sheer concept of Cocoons existence is mind boggling from a lore perspective

they can respawn Moms, pMoms, and Tanks just as fast as anything small

(this is moreso a gameplay mechanic but still)

[rocky wraith]

might work more as a stronger pull for enemies across multiple dimensions to travel through dormantly

[past vessel]

that they are able to detect when stuff has been removed from beneath them and respawn them usually under 40 seconds when not in proximity

because they won't do anything if you never kill

[rocky wraith]

yup

[honest summit]

I Wish they stayed Close to the Initial concept of a deep asleep sleeper in a mystery Box Cocoon

[past vessel]

wdym

[honest summit]

We still have the datablocks in the Game for them being enemies you can Deal damage to

Unlike the spitters

Its unfinished tho, trying to damage them will Just Bork the game

They are also Standing upright, Not Just hanging from the ceiling

Alternatively they maybe Could have been Like a stationary mother, but idk man

[autumn seal]

your taskbar is atrocious

[eternal talon]

it's hard to believe gtfo is almost 7 years old now

[raw terrace]

:O

[eternal talon]

i first started playing this game as a teenager, back in 2019.

during ogr1

[cold sphinx]

I started behind u half a year

Also hii frostty

[north obsidian]

have you still not done all the levels

[thin surge]

If the answer to the previous question is no, lmk, can get you the rest with the goon cave lol

[eternal talon]

of r4 and r5? no lol

i haven't played gtfo in the better part of a year

i jut check the lore channel every day and talk here with the community.

[eternal talon]

what the fuck does that mean?

[thin surge]

Me, and The Goon Cave, will help you clear at some point then

[eternal talon]

nah, i don't really have any interest in finishing all the content

the lore has always interested me far more than the gameplay

[thin surge]

I mean R4 and 5 are some of the least fun levels in the game.

[loud urchin]

you must remember, what frostty says is true and they spent many a hour racing friends doorbuggung levels to reach lore logs

[north obsidian]

r4b3 gotta be the most boring level

[raw terrace]

r4b3 and r3b1

✨

[warped bloom]

no r4c2

[raw terrace]

c2 at least has a fun ov and sec

[midnight creek]

3-4 surges back to back 😭

in infectious fog for 2-3 of them

[raw terrace]

the big gaming :]

[raw terrace]

GUYS ITS AN ELEVATOR

OFC ITS AN ELEVATOR WDYM ROOM WITH NOTHING

i had been told so many times it hhad "nothihng and it was empty"

ITS AN ELEVATOR

IT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE OFC U WOULD WANT 2 OF THEM ON THERE

[warped bloom]

So what if u look up the hole

[raw terrace]

oh that one is just a light tho

[ionic dune]

God said let there be light

[royal crow]

https://tenor.com/view/oguri-cap-space-gif-11382715306459455387

[eternal talon]

also, on a completely unrelated note, Dauda was an absolutely horrible person!

idk about the rest, hackett probably just needed a good therapist...

but dauda deserves the hell he ended up in.

[ionic dune]

Well didn’t one of em burn Red Cross workers and such?

And an entire village?

[eternal talon]

Interviewer
Well it's common for veterans to suffer post-traumatic stress when they return from combat. Looking at your file, you have seen a lot of action. Perhaps you need a break.
Hackett
Oh no, it's not that. It's that I don't care. It just... doesn't affect me anymore. Like... Look, last posting, Kovac sent me up to Delbaran, hm? Little Kurdish village in western Iran? Well, used to be Iran y'know. So I was told I had to keep the villagers in check, right? And these poor bastards were terrified that the Republic Forces or what have you were going to take over the village and kill every last one of them, so I was told to keep them there until an envoy could evac, right? The thing is, I was also told I couldn't let them leave. Now, they had to stay in the village, so we knew where everyone was. But these people were shittin' bricks. So, some of them took it upon themselves to run.
Interviewer
So you were upset when you failed your mission?
Hackett
I didn't say I failed. I shot 'em. Ended up killing about 20 of them. Maybe more in fact, when we think about it. The thing is, I just... don't give a fuck, y'know? And that's not right, is it? I think I might be, like y'know, broken or somethin'.

i don't recall any of our four being stated as having participated in the burning of the red cross workers and infected before garganta was constructed in ixil.

[ionic dune]

Wasn’t it the earth quake and Red Cross were helping out and someone torched them?

[eternal talon]

**Gustavo,

Thanks for dealing with the Red Cross. They have been removed from the area
and we can get back to business. One thing - they didn’t get to Chicxulub,
and we have. Looks like your evac teams didn’t even touch this place. What do
you want us to do with the bodies? There’s a lot of them. Not sure what
killed them but our med team assures me it’s not toxins.

Let me know. We can burn them if you want.

Andrew.**

**Burn them.

G.**

[eternal talon]

yes.

the same fault line / earth quake / event / thing that caused the mayan outbreak in the 16th century

the merida fault line iirc

[ionic dune]

Ye

Wasn’t that woods or someone in the squad

[eternal talon]

unless it's been clarified in more recent rundowns and i'm not remembering, i'm not sure.

[ionic dune]

I remember Hackett being the only real half okayish person cuz we don’t snow if he got framed or if he actually blackmailed or whatever

[eternal talon]

from alt:

**Gustavo,

Thanks for dealing with the Red Cross. They have been removed from the area. Looks like your evac teams didn’t make it as far as Chicxulub. There are a lot of bodies still here. What do you want us to do with them? We can just burn them if you don't want to deal with it.

By the way, our med team assures me they did not die from toxins. Did you use a virus or something?

Andrew.**

**
You may burn the bodies.

The government would never knowingly expose our citizens to any toxins, viruses, or other harmful substances. They likely died from causes related to the earthquake. Please be more careful with your accusations.

G.**

from alt SoT:

Host
We? You work for Dreyfus?
Caller
No. I mean, yes. I worked for SMC but I’m out, man. I had to go. They’re… they’re burning bodies down there…
Host
Burning bodies, what do you mean?
Caller
They got these explorations, right? They’re digging into something down near Chicxulub--
Host
Chicxulub, that’s the town they took over, right?
Caller
Yeah, well it’s a town and that big crater, right? Down in the Yucatan--
Host
Right, we’ve talked about that on air--
Caller
Yeah well, they’re poking around down there and finding all kinds of weird stuff. People going crazy and coming back all mangled and--
Host
Mangled? What does that mean?
Caller
Like mangled, mutilated. Bones bent and broken, skin changing into I don’t know what… that’s why they’re burning the bodies, to get rid of the evidence.
Host
What happened to them?
Caller
I don’t know. We thought… my colleagues thought maybe they found something. You know they’re mining for iridium, right?
Host
Right, but does iridium exposure do that to a body? We don’t know exactly--
Caller
No man, it's not the iridium! That’s what I’m saying! They found something down there!

[eternal talon]

the person with blackmail on dreyfus was Bishop

[ionic dune]

😭me when i don’t snow lore

Anyways

Ye bishop only one that I remember was like half decent as a human

[eternal talon]

Woods shot up an army base in the name of god and kovac got him from a penitentiary.

dauda worked for insight and conducted human experimentation with nam-v and parasitidae garganta to determine its limits.

hackett... had mental problems

[ionic dune]

Well ig Hackett is fine then

Don’t trust my own brain

[eternal talon]

woods canonically has the mandate of heaven*, which is funny.

[ionic dune]

With god by his side he shall survive

Or smth

[eternal talon]

Woods
You cannot kill me. It is not in his plan.
Interviewer
We’re going to send you somewhere to get some help.
Woods
I know.
Interviewer
It’s a new program, designed for people just like you, Woods.
Woods
I know. I knew before you did. I am going where he needs me. I will be ready. When the plague comes, I shall be rescued from the lion's mouth, and he will lead us from the darkness. For though there may be many of me, he is one.
Interviewer
Well, we’ll see won’t we?
Woods
I will see. You will die.

[ionic dune]

Og or alt?

[eternal talon]

alt.

[ionic dune]

Alt was the one that escaped right?

[eternal talon]

no.

[ionic dune]

So he was right

Oh

😭

So he was wrong

[eternal talon]

For though there may be many of me, he is one.

even in OG, his belief was strong, albeit hidden better.

[ionic dune]

Lowkey what woods is talking about sort of sounds like his god is OG woods

I wish I could wipe GTFO from my memory so I could replay it

[eternal talon]

play outer wilds.

[ionic dune]

Well currently I wanna see if reanimal is doable solo

[past vessel]

See schaeffer’s bucket again for the first time

[raw terrace]

reanimal!!! 🔥

[plush nest]

I mean he does admit that he is not well, so that’s a good start

[thin surge]

Played through twice with all achievements, its very doable solo

[ionic dune]

my controller broke

waiting on replacement part

[thin surge]

Good game, few small bugs that mostly were patched alr.

[ionic dune]

Ye half watched spiff play thru it and seemed like only one bug

[thin surge]

There's 1 big softlock still in the game but unless youre speeding, you shouldn't encounter it

[ionic dune]

I like to take my time with story driven games

Like hk skong and mio

[thin surge]

Its a time. 5 or so hours 1st time through

[ionic dune]

Doesn’t seem that bad

[eternal talon]

how be ye video comin'?

[thin surge]

behind another large project thats in the works atm.

[past vessel]

@eternal talon I think R1 and R2 take place in 2063, just like R3

The "Dots and Dashes" is obtained in R1D1, and is confirmed to be Schaeffer (in the vents above, I presume?)

We know Schaeffer’s quad was killed and he defected in 2063

ALT:R2E1
76Y-TTF-FWW

WRDN: override
ACCESS -BIOCOM -29$525GVTHR2%456FS
Instantiating BIOCOM.net(CLI)...
ready:_
authorized…
connecting...
\\Root\?_
\\Root\RETURN NAVDATA QUAD: Z30-Q2631A
Scrubbing KDS database...
Quad found.
Objective stack updated 2063.04.14.03.24.37
Fetching NavData…
Fetching...
NavData located
LAST KNOWN LOCATION
Zone_32 Area D
History:
Zone_30 Area A
Zone_31 Area C
Zone_32 Area A
Zone_32 Area C
Reading BioSigs…
--------------------
Quad resources: Schaeffer T-3894 / Allen GO-0085 / Cobb O-2038 / Elliott O-1095
--------------------
Reading current stack execution...
T-3894 status: Combat / GO-0085 status: Evac / O-2038 status: Evac / O-1095 status: RESOURCE NOT FOUND
Enquiring...
ZONE_32 Area D
Aggressive biomass detected...
Reading current stack execution...
T-3894 status: Evac / GO-0085 status: RESOURCE NOT FOUND/ O-2038 status: Evac / O-1095 status: RESOURCE NOT FOUND
Enquiring...
RESOURCE NOT FOUND
Reading current stack execution...
RESOURCE NOT FOUND
Recall override...
RESOURCE NOT FOUND
Pinging...
RESOURCE NOT FOUND
Enquiring...
Status unknown. Resource lost.
Updating KDS database...```

And that all happened in April 2063

[thin surge]

that was my assumption with how R3 and R4 play out that they're very close together in the timeline. R5 is harder to place,

[past vessel]

Yeah the later ones are harder to confirm but also given Schaeffer has untethered himself from The Warden/BIOCOM entirely, I don’t see him waiting more than a few months before he enacts his plan (R7/R8) while he’s figuring out stuff in his hideout in OGR6CX/ALTR6BX

especially since from the scenery, it's clear Sleepers have tried to get into his hideout/fallen asleep on top of it and he had to kill them, he is just simply not going to survive for years on end

Also on this note, a couple things about Schaeffer's hideout:
-His bed is an Operation Bed ripped straight out of Labs, it's identical both mattress and blanket
-The food cans in his hideout are the only place we see definitive food canisters in the game. I looked deep into the logs and there is one mention of an Agra Foods which is owned by Dreyfus Industries, no logo on the cans themselves though other than the orange/brown stripes on the side
-The sheets of paper are just gibberish unfortunately except the ones that can be clearly read in-game

[eternal talon]

i figured all main rundowns would be ~the same year

r3 was simply the only one we had a specific date for / could prove

[past vessel]

Yeah I'm thinking the same the more I read

[eternal talon]

also... BED?

[past vessel]

In R6B1, there's another 2063 date from a log talking about unauthorized access from June 2063

[eternal talon]

a) i dont remember that, b) how the hell did he drag it all the way down there?

[past vessel]

yeah pulling it up now in Unity just to show it's identical

here they are as seen in-game

he found a clean mattress and clean bedsheets from one of these OR tables and took 'em

[raw terrace]

do u think he wore those clothes

[past vessel]

considering they are at the foot of his bed I would bet probably

Took me a second because the Schaeffer version spells his name as "Scaffer"

[raw terrace]

affeh

[thin surge]

I assumed between a year and 2 just because of unknown time between missions (atleast in the OG timeline)

[lone beacon]

I'm guessing this is relating to the last log in the game in R8E2, the one in the Kraken zone

about the incubation period being up to 12 months

also I wanted to mention; I don't remember it being mentioned anywhere in the logs about how humans mutated and what their characteristics are, ||(I think I only remember there being a log about chargers or something but that's it)|| so I would appreciate if you could point me to that 'cuz I'd actually be interested in reading up on it ||(or refreshing my memory incase I just forgot)||

also I think it's funny that this lore video I'm watching about GTFO just assumes it's a fungus when one of the literal first logs in the game mentions it's a virus and a parasite lul

[raw terrace]

its a rundown 3 log, think a2 or a1, describes strikers shooters scout and chargers

[[ALT://Rundown 3.0 Logs]]

[amber nimbus]

https://gtfo.wiki.gg/wiki/ALT://Rundown_3.0_Logs

[raw terrace]

plspls

yay

[lone beacon]

it is kinda vague or the scientific names kinda make it hard to tell which ones it's talking about

but thanks

[midnight creek]

gallus reptus and gallus jaculus are probably strikers and shooters respectively, and then gallus capreolatus and gallus horridus are definitely scouts and chargers, respectively

[eternal talon]

Do Not rely on YT or reddit for gtfo's lore

[lone beacon]

yeah lol

kinda figured that much

it boggles down to "this is my headcanon"

[eternal talon]

roanoke's video has been wrong since the day it was posted, and he's gone out of his way to delete comments correcting him.

its why i'm no longer subscribed, despite loving his previous videos on movies

its dishonesty, plain and simple.

the 'bad ending' of gtfo, as my meme eluded to, is the fact that we are all infected with nam-v

we've doomed the jungle universe, and the last of humanity, just by going there

in our selfish (and futile) attempt at survival, we've caused extinction

[past vessel]

@eternal talon btw corrected wiki for accuracy last night based on discussion in here

[eternal talon]

i know the wiki always has had a lot of little errors/inconsistencies, but again, don't take everything i say as fact. i'm not infallible. i just happen to have been around here the longest and memorized most things.

the logs, as frustratingly unconcise as they are, are all we have at the end of the day - and all the ambiguity they bring.

we shouldnt take one particular interpretation as fact imo

mine, or otherwise

[past vessel]

I didn’t get through all of it, it’s still got a lot of inconsistencies or thought trails

[eternal talon]

but we should mention them

[past vessel]

Just a significant chunk

[eternal talon]

yeahhhhh

[past vessel]

A good example is the ~680 years thing and potentially multiple Destination Membranes

[eternal talon]

its a mess.

there is no one good way to manage it

just point out connections and observations/drawn conclusions, but dont pick a side without... i'd say almost certain proof, given logs

like i like the 'collectors' page

[past vessel]

What I’m doing is presenting the ambiguities by sticking to facts, and then fostering the thought provoking nature it provides. Regarding the ~680 years matter:
-Stokes mentions napkin math with the 1:85 timescale difference and doesn’t even know if it’s definitively correct. We should similarly question it.
-Possible that the singularity of membranes in R8 messes with the timescale. We don’t know
-Possible that different Destination Membranes exist with different timescale factors. We don’t know

[thin surge]

With that time gap though we could also toss it up to R8 timeline funk, especially with how the MWP is sposed to work through both locations and time. (R8B1 being a prime example). (Also very likely its just a number tossed out to show how absolutely unrecoverable EF-01 was for Insight

[past vessel]

Glad we both think that. OG EF-01 was unrecoverable

[thin surge]

I like @eternal talon 's Bishop theory so gotta have the ALT be semi recoverable lol

[lone beacon]

yeah I kinda got that vibe from him when he compared his theory to another where he said Doomguy was the Doom Slayer and anyone that opposed him he presented with a nerdy ass voice

like anyone that disagrees with him is immediately wrong

even when you got clear evidence of the contrary

[lone beacon]

yeah figured lol

the last log eludes to that

[sacred maple]

Is it clear if The Warden helps the OG team to escape in R8E2 or is the intel non-diegetic for the sake of gameplay (like the admin override info, the reactor and waste flush info and the doors all being openable after Schaeffer's rant about credentials in R8D2)

[raw terrace]

we know warden wants to help considerin that it is there in the first place

remember, OG warden has been overriden by a trojan virus which gave schaeffer partial control

ALT warden is moreso coming through and helping

or well- more like helpin us know what to do since it isnt doing a whole lot either

[sacred maple]

I thought there was just a single warden spanning all membranes

[raw terrace]

i mean - thats a good point actually

but either it is still there and helping us somewhat, we just dont know to what extend anymore

chafer was on control of the HSU lifts but we drop onto D2 and E2, that could be warden

[sacred maple]

I suppose if the warden knows that the alt team have been told to go to kds deep by "Schaeffer" then it knows something is going down there

given that it responds to active threats during missions it could be assumed that it has some amount of active surveillance throughout the complex

[thin surge]

it has complete control of BIOCOM and hearsay, it sees and hears everything in Garganta

[raw terrace]

even if its control is hindered, it p much knows, it does supervise both teams

it did sort of set up both teams at the end -

it didnt care wwho lives, just that someone does

[thin surge]

As far as multiple, there is likely multiple versions of the collectors over several dimensions (given that the collectors ship with active presence is in both dimensional logs, OG and ALT)

Rundown 8 is hard to assume much due to there being a minimum of 5 dimensions mixed at that point in time. We also know that this is not what the warden had planned and is more of a retaliation to Schaeffer's actions.

It likely came to the conclusion that letting the ALT team die while protecting the OG team and the HSUs in KDS would have a higher chance of continuing life than the alternative of saving them.

(Huge grain of salt on this as much of it is speculative and cannot be confirmed)

[raw terrace]

"a retaliation to Schaeffer's actions" condiserring wardens on crutches by r7e1 i dont think it wwouldve been able to

i think it was just a mwp collpase out of its unintended or bad use

cuz it malfunctions, several times

[thin surge]

it is far from on crutches, Schaeffer has limited control of BIOCOM that was pretty easily taken from him in 8B4. Schaeffer in the OG dimension is also fairly incompetent when it came to controlling it, especially after killing Henrikkson. With as short of a time period that R8 takes place in as well, he likely didn't have much control of BIOCOM for much time at all.

[raw terrace]

that has to be out of something else, as in a2 and b3 we do his bidding no problem and only starts functioning again after interactin with the ALT in b3, flashin for a second

[thin surge]

What would it be out of? Shaeffer starts his plan, The Warden then sends the ALT team to do A1-B2 in preparation of the teleport. It only took control back when Schaeffer was actively going to harm the complex shortly after B3.

It likely didnt see anything Schaeffer was doing as a problem up until he risked the lives of those in KDS deep

[past vessel]

It also continues to function for the OG Team in R8C2 quite a lot

[raw terrace]

i mean he risked lives already per draining the coolin tanks - it woulld be just weird that if its sorta capable it lets itself be trojan'd

like - what for?

[past vessel]

slendi what

[raw terrace]

all of this started out of saying that the warden caused the dimensions merge

out of a retaliation to schaeffers plan

which i i said i dont think so cuz the warden wouldnt have that much power to do that

[thin surge]

not at all what I said

[raw terrace]

"Rundown 8 is hard to assume much due to there being a minimum of 5 dimensions mixed at that point in time. [...] is more of a retaliation to Schaeffer's actions."

u used the same wordin

wdym

[thin surge]

I said that it took control back when schaeffer started his plan, not that is caused a dimention merge

[raw terrace]

a retaliation implies a conscious decision made by something to take revenge against somethng else - madge

[past vessel]

the membranes convergence/singularity/merging is far more likely due to many versions of ourselves haphazardly using the MWP and Data Cubes, it's even discussed in R6D1 Logs when Schaeffer is talking to a Conduit that the Collectors want to teach us how to use them properly, something Project Insight failed to do and barely knew what they were doing before Garganta's fall

[raw terrace]

DAS WHAT I SAID

[raw terrace]

aa

[past vessel]

The Warden retaliating against Schaeffer definitely happens by the time of R8B4 for the OG team, in the meantime the Warden seems to be fine for the ALT Team during this interval as they say nothing or hint that anything is wrong

There's no corruption on their BIOCOM visors, either (ALT Team) until R8E1

[raw terrace]

i wanted to say - mmaybe its just a collector in the membranes but mutiple wardens, but idk how that would work

cuz ALT and OG lived fine separately with their own versions

[royal crow]

nuh uh

[raw terrace]

:[

pls ass help

[royal crow]

how can my ass help

[raw terrace]

uh
not allowed to say

[thin surge]

again Ghostly, not what I was going against, I'm well aware the merge happens before R8, I was saying that The warden took control back of the OG team in retaliation of Schaeffer starting the meltdown plan. How you pulled that I said the merge is the retaliation is beyond me lol

[raw terrace]

ur wordin was v unclear

if both of us got that then something is up with that sentence

.... also i doubt warden is like, "revengful"

it only looks for life to continue, and saw chafi as an obstacle for that

hes just so slimy to kill, since wrdn cannot even trace his location

[ionic dune]

Meow

[raw terrace]

:O

[past vessel]

I was agreeing with you and just notioning for slendi

[thin surge]

Fair enough, I was mid level while reading/ typing lol

[past vessel]

R8 has a lot happen really fast with still a lot of ambiguities

I'm having to be real careful on wiki with it

[thin surge]

My guess is around 2-3 days for the whole thing, given diolauge but the time travel and really funny time differences between E1 and E2 doesnt help.

[past vessel]

Yeah I have to imagine the events are faster than other Rundowns, there's hardly any time to waste

Naturally, multiple Wardens exist (across Membranes) and the concept of that isn't really discussed in depth

[thin surge]

(not being entirely serious) but you could toss the time difference in the E's to being that the team simply got the WR speedrun in E2 but over 20 mins faster lol

[past vessel]

to what extent things get merged/overwritten, such as what Membrane takes precedence or if things coexist

so true

The only example we have of coexistence are OG/ALT Teams and both versions of Schaeffer

I guess the dead teams we find too, their bodies are fresh

[thin surge]

could be the teams from the other universes we potentially* know exist in the mixed one

Could also just be random KSOs since equipment is likely standard across the board

[past vessel]

In all cases, it doesn't appear that an individual person undergoes singularity, their alternate versions are just effectively "spawned" into the membrane seemingly without their immediate knowledge since Schaeffer doesn't even directly discuss it at any point and Nightmares are never referred to by name, but prisoners still recognize them as Sleepers

[past vessel]

R8B2 , other versions of ourselves can be heard shouting and gunfire off in the distance as the ALT Team, and that can’t be the OG Team since they’re in R8B4 at the time

[thin surge]

With the teleportation, it could happen at a different time as well, especially since we end that mission (B2) midway through B3. I wouldn't rule out the OG team being who we hear, it could be during the cell zone scan or the class 4 in that mission

[past vessel]

Not saying there wouldn’t be other KSO’s too of course

[thin surge]

Also a possibility, I'm assuming that like the other 3 times we hear other shooting that its meant to be the OG team

[past vessel]

The other times absolutely

The reason I have some measures of questioning specifically the B2 one is because the other times, it’s just the muted gunfire in other instances, no clearly distinguishable verbal callouts, and I don’t think we hear ALT’s gunfire in B3

[thin surge]

the only bit we hear connected to them is on the bridge. I see the discrepancy

[past vessel]

yeah that's what I recalled offhand as well

[eternal talon]

let me be clear - Schaeffer's trojan DOES NOT AFFECT WARDEN. It affects biocom. warden controls biocom, despite biocom constantly trying to erase warden. It is two puppeteers controlling the same set of strings.

biocom itself has been pretty much helpless for a decade

warden can send orders against schaeffer, but so can schaeffer against warden. the ksos just get conflicting sets of orders on the objective stack - they are all equally valid

the thing is, schaeffer is a not-so-sane human and warden is an alien. schaeffer can only be a nuisance for so long, until warden figures out how to get around his meddling/junk objective stack updates.

its just in the middle of this fight for control over biocom we (as og) are able to disconnect ourselves, imo

otherwise warden would have been easily able to step back in and stop us

warden v schaeffer, schaeffer v us.

schaeffer killing henri in r8 was a catastrophic blunder on his part

[thin surge]

Schaeffer killing Schaeffer was catastrophic blunder #2

[eternal talon]

also, on the other topic, we dont know if the warden has a physical form waaaaaay the fuck down in the ship, or if it is an entirely digital consciousness

if there is multiple wardens or just one, i dont think it makes a difference

it would still bat for team collector

if multiple wardens in r8, just means schaeffer gets fucked faster

as schaeffer has proven, he doesnt trust anybody - not even himself (literally)

multiple wardens would just big brain together

[thin surge]

I was basing it on how both dimensions have the collision. They could have merged together upon dimension merge as well forming the giga-warden

[eternal talon]

...don't think i'll ever get over not being allowed to see the ship/inside it.

so much fucking potential

[thin surge]

GTFO 2: Mayans* in The Inner

[eternal talon]

remember it was a process. alt://r6dx has corpses

i wont argue whatever at the start of r8 was a straw.... but still

[thin surge]

Still think that teleporting in 6D4 is what broke it, especially with how much and how many dimensions you tleeport to, several of which appear in R8 logs

[eternal talon]

potentially, but og still had r7 so idk.

[thin surge]

R7, but no logs in 6D4 OG

[eternal talon]

which one?

[thin surge]

Nightmare bishop is alt one

[eternal talon]

idk about that. i just know the alt bishop isn't alt bishop, cus' of the mask.

[past vessel]

original ALT bishop is completely AWOL

[eternal talon]

alt bishop is in jungle with durant

imo

[past vessel]

hey frostty can I show you something cursed I found

[eternal talon]

Woods
I know. I knew before you did. I am going where he needs me. I will be ready. When the plague comes, I shall be rescued from the lion's mouth, and he will lead us from the darkness. For though there may be many of me, he is one.
Interviewer
Well, we’ll see won’t we?
Woods
I will see. You will die.

this is funny because alt:// woods dies, while og escapes

[eternal talon]

sure

[past vessel]

nightmare shooters have stubby arms and a tiny shrunken head

you can still see them both in normal gameplay

I just have the tendrils turned off to make it easier to see

only the nightmare shooter is like this

[eternal talon]

ive seen this before

[past vessel]

you aren't meant to see them though, in the code they tried to turn them off and hide them with the tumors on the side, but the problem is if you try to turn them off they ragdoll like crazy upon death

the nightmare scout they were able to successfully remove the head and the arms are better hidden, because it's bigger

and to loop this back into lore, it gives me some insights as to what composes Nightmare physiology versus their normal variants

All Nightmares lack a distinct head, but that doesn't mean they can't have faces, as seen with the Nightmare Giant and Nightmare Babies

But I don't think any logs ever indicate their composition, not even in R8B1 which is in Labs

(unlike the normal variants)

[eternal talon]

at least the host is no longer suffering?

[past vessel]

a positive spin on it

another thing about them is there is absolutely no difference between wave variants and hibernating variants of nightmares we encounter

whereas the hibernate and wave variants of the normal counterparts have known confirmed differences and were studied

[eternal talon]

a unique subspecies?

[past vessel]

A different strain causing their specific mutation, yeah

normal sleepers never attack Nightmares and vice versa, and are often found together throughout the latter half of R8 even

and just like wanting to see the ship in The Inner, it really makes me think there's more Nightmare enemies we just end up never encountering

The existence of the Nightmare Shooter AND Nightmare Scout would give fair amounts of credibility to the idea of a Nightmare Big Shooter existing, especially since there is a Nightmare Giant so the size isn't an issue

[eternal talon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFRj_Z5uTMY

[thin surge]

All convos with Frosty come back to the thing lol

[eternal talon]

i love the thing, what can i say

its a classic

btw, did you ever watch all that 2011 prequel stuff i sent you?

[thin surge]

watched it months ago lol. back when I started my new job

[eternal talon]

its a damn shame

[thin surge]

cpuld have been a goated movie

[eternal talon]

i still think its okay, but yeah, 100% coulda been better without studio bs

[past vessel]

are High/Main Extreme/Secondary Overload ever discussed in any logs? The only place I can think of is R4A2 interrupted comms

[eternal talon]

i dont remember

[past vessel]

Clearly they exist in canon, and it's not just a gameplay element, given characters are talking about it directly

[thin surge]

Not really, kinda just a gameplay thing. they mention the KSO doing things outside main stuff but not in the compacity of the gameplay

[past vessel]

but it also doesn't seem to apply to everyday operations

it seems like it would be a KSO only thing

"Yeah I work in the Overload Sector"

sounds real wack

[eternal talon]

what about 'threat level'

[past vessel]

threat level does very much so sound realistic during the fall of Garganta or if areas are contaminated

[eternal talon]

i feel like gtfo as a whole could pretty easily be an SCP

[thin surge]

GTFO but SCP would be cool if done correctly

[past vessel]

the scariest part of GTFO is that no toilets are ever seen during the events of the game except Schaeffer's bucket

[thin surge]

wdym, R5D1 is a big enough shit level to cover it all lol

[eternal talon]

are we thinking keter?

[thin surge]

For most yes

[eternal talon]

or apollyon?

[thin surge]

Kracken and flyers might be apollyon

[eternal talon]

i mean straight up, garganta n' everything

[thin surge]

for everything prob apollyon just for the lack of containment options for some things

[lone beacon]

I thought it was a good movie and it had some interesting ideas like synthetic body parts being discarded but they REALLY should've went with the animatronics they made and practical effects

damn shame

I think some of the people that worked on it ended up making a similar movie with practical effects but it didn't really do well

but yeah the 1982 movie is an undisputed classic and what I like the most is how realistic the characters all act given the situation

[eternal talon]

@indigo cliff 'GtfoLoreForDummies' in the pins of this channel

Any questions it doesn't answer for you, I can explain directly.

[lone beacon]

it would absolutely be Apollyon

it's uncontainable and world-ending

sorry I didn't see the messages earlier lol

[past vessel]

Why does Kovac park so many of their vehicles in Floodways, which is prone to having vast amounts of water/possibly waste water within it? Are they stupid?

Memes aside, I would think they would do so in Storage mostly

[haughty tree]

Hello, i have played the game for a while (around 300 hrs). Up to D difficulty and i just started replaying it with friends. Redoing some rundowns reminded me of a lore question i can't seem to find the answer of so i though i would ask here, in case anyone is kind enough to answer

Why are we looking for a neonate hsu ? What is it exactly ? What are we doing to it ? And how does that help us ?

[ionic dune]

I’m guessing youre at R2?

[haughty tree]

Well, currently yesbut in the past, i played up to R7 and did a lot of mission depressurizing, opening and doing other stuff to it and i never quite understood why

[ionic dune]

So quick rundown is that neonate is a baby in a HSU and we are doing some like DNA sampling and stuff on said baby

And depressurising it is like prepping for said sampling methinks

Frostty prolly got better lore info on the baby

[copper pine]

We are prepping it for a life speedrun

[ionic dune]

Truke

[copper pine]

Truke?

Fluke?

Hollow knight reference?

[ionic dune]

Hong Kong reference?

[copper pine]

China reference?

Asia reference?

Wait a minute

Earth reference?

[ionic dune]

Truke

[raw terrace]

r7s neonate has a diff purpose than r3s neonate
the complex before the rupture had a program to breed and create clone soldiers using neonates, but they failed cuz of the clines decomposing too quickly, and now it's repurposed by the wrdn for another purpose, which is clear if u read the R6D1 initial log [cof cof do its v cool]

as for r3s neonate, we dont rlly know as it stays connected to a machine, where it presumably is today

well not today- but it stayed there forever

maybe it was a necessary step on the cloning process, or to open sectors, we dont know

[copper pine]

Maybe in r3d1 we actually put the baby in its actual bed to sleep forever

[ionic dune]

Isn’t that were you grab dna and stuff for it?

Making its mommy mad

[raw terrace]

uhhhhh well not its mom but sort of

[ionic dune]

Ok that was like

Joke

[raw terrace]

well smh

u should know i dont know comedy

[ionic dune]

Meow meow meow

[haughty tree]

Yeah, i heard of the clone programm but it just that given the context of the event of the infection. I don't understand how this programm can help with anything really. I don't really see how it can help open door or find a cure or anything...

[ionic dune]

Well gargantua has a war/arms company as coowner (or whatever you want to call it), also if you can figure out how to create infinite manpower well youll become extremely rich (also if you want to you can just send in infinite waves against the sleeper given youve got enough time)

[thin surge]

Project RISE (the cloning program) was a long term goal of KDS well before they were in Garganta.

Their original intention was to have a way to add members to the Legion program since they were under a little scrutiny for using incarcerated people.

In the context of how we used them, R2E1-R3D1, its likely that it was to gain access to previously inaccessible parts of the complex, or provide more data to assist in creating an effective clone for the Warden to use to communicate.

In R7 its a little less clear since we dont finish out the rundown doing what the warden wants. Its likely to further the cloning technology though as OG Schaeffer didnt take too kindly to his interactions with the clones in OG R6.

Since the events of R7 don't happen in the ALT universe, I'm inclined to believe it was to potentially make a better clone

[lone beacon]

as if the morals of using clones as security/soldiers wouldn't be scrutinized lol

[raw terrace]

ok fine
wrdn used it to communicate with schaefger

thats what happens in the r6d1 log

[next panther]

my favourite character shaefger

[raw terrace]

a conduit [the clone] speaks by the warden

[raw terrace]

aefer

[copper pine]

But then Shaefger later finds Maddoxed but that guy didnt last too long so Shaefger gets Henry son to help him out

[honest summit]

https://tenor.com/view/aneurysm-hhhhomeboyyyy-kings-dark-tidings-saga-by-kel-kade-reaperleviathan-head-explode-gif-3022634959257200428

[copper pine]

The price of reading slendos sytle of texting

[raw terrace]

:[

[cerulean python]

<@&408548765599793173>

[warped bloom]

?

[eternal talon]

Sometimes spam or sketchy links get posted here.

We just ping the mods and they delete them.

It's the same with most of the other channels

[warped bloom]

how do i know they didnt just randomly ping mods 🤔

[honest summit]

the 🫡 stamp of approval

[thin surge]

Careful using that, someone might get you banned for it🫡 🐴

[honest summit]

dont threaten me with good time

[vagrant forum]

become the new samdb

[thin surge]

<@&408548765599793173> here too

[ruby meadow]

When did your pfp evolve?

[thin surge]

Last night

Dave and Rams too

[ruby meadow]

I thought Ram was still working in the mines

[eternal talon]

Do you think you could 2v1 (you and a friend) a KSO irl? No weapons, pure fisticuffs.

If not, how many of your folks would you need to bring im' down?

Speaking of which, what is a good measure of strength and endurance for the average KSO?