but for strictly gameplay purposes, goop gone
#gtfo-lore
past vessel
yep
ionic dune
Is that R7E1?
past vessel
It's kind of a pattern that it is present when around Chargers
eternal talon
Is that R7E1?
yeah. me and beanz playing through it for the logs.
ionic dune
Yet to learn the names of missions
ionic dune
yeah. me and beanz playing through it for the logs.
R7E1 is goated mission
past vessel
Even as early as R1C2, that biomass follows Chargers being present
R7E1 is indeed a Charger heavy level
eternal talon
don't forget the tanks
ionic dune
Would Pablo be considered a charger + smth else combo?
past vessel
You see it in various environments, R1C2 is Storage, R7E1 is Labs
eternal talon
Would Pablo be considered a charger + smth else combo?
no clue. i know some people have theorized he is a really old tank
eternal talon
R7E1 is indeed a Charger heavy level
past vessel
It is worth noting that pablo has the exact same model as a Tank even though it may not look like it
eternal talon
ionic dune
Does R7 not have R7 in the top left even rn?
past vessel
That's OG R7
ionic dune
It is worth noting that pablo has *the exact same* model as a Tank even though i...
Its a tank without blobs
eternal talon
Does R7 not have R7 in the top left even rn?
wasn't until alt.
eternal talon
That's OG R7
... there is only ogr7
ionic dune
Wait R7 got a refresh?
past vessel
and by OG R7 I mean before ALT R1 (so no additional weapons)
eternal talon
yeah
past vessel
where it was just called E1 Chaos instead of R7E1 Chaos
ionic dune
Oh ye i get ya
eternal talon
That's OG R7
lotta old pictures :/
past vessel
Its a tank without blobs
the tumors are a separate model latched onto the back, but ye
The posture of pablo in comparison to the Tank has pablo's head lurching back as he walks
ionic dune
the tumors are a separate model latched onto the back, but ye
Well yea
past vessel
he basically walks looking straight up at the ceiling as far as the animation is concerned
ionic dune
Like that one buff guy walking gif
past vessel
bit further back lurched head but yes you get the idea
past vessel
you can compare sleeping Pablo in R8A2 Sec to a Tank and see they actually are one and the same
(minus the tumors and color of body of course)
eternal talon
sand
past vessel
So on that notion, because there is a Flesh Wall, and Pablo is encountered alongside a ton of Chargers and Big Chargers in Alpha Two if you teleport there, then recall the Charger dimension from R6D4 do the same thing with a Tank, I'm willing to consider Tanks and Pablo part of the Charger lineage
(they also charge in much the same way if you are in a different room than them but are in line of sight)
eternal talon
destination is bizarrely beautiful
past vessel
Frostty and Alpha Two, inseperable
eternal talon
eternal talon
wdym?
eternal talon
silica?
eternal talon
it is a LOT of sand.
eternal talon
puts the american dust bowl to shame
ionic dune
But thatās also a specific sand
eternal talon
i found a better version of that picture i posted before.
ionic dune
i found a better version of that picture i posted before.
Is that just skills of bulls?
eternal talon
Is that just skills of bulls?
oh you know, just americans making the american bison near-extinct to wipe out the indigenous tribes.
ionic dune
oh you know, just americans making the american bison near-extinct to wipe out t...
Bruh
eternal talon
Bison went from numbering an estimated 60 million individuals[a] before the 1870s to becoming nearly extinct in the 1880s. This was due to the mass slaughtering of bison during the 1870s, which caused the plains bison population to undergo a population bottleneck. The bottleneck resulted in a founding population of around 100 individuals, split into six herds, five of which were managed by private ranchers and one managed by the New York Zoological Park (now the Bronx Zoo). Additionally, a wild herd consisting of 25 individuals in Yellowstone National Park survived the bottleneck.
ionic dune
Average American moment
eternal talon
all to drive native americans from their home because colonizers wanted their land.
ionic dune
Tema we see a people we cannot oppress let us like idk wipe them out !!!!!!!!
eternal talon
kill the food they eat.
ionic dune
DAYM
eternal talon
the native americans generally couldn't kill them in traditional hunting combat, so they herded them and drove them off cliffs to immobilize them so they couldn't fight back.
these cliff formations are called "buffalo jumps" today
ionic dune
Kinda brutal way of getting food
eternal talon
then at the bottom of the cliff, several tribes would gather together to feast and make pemmican (a way to save the food long-term to prevent spoilage)
eternal talon
Kinda brutal way of getting food
brutal, but effective and infinitely safer than trying to confront a herd directly.
ionic dune
brutal, but effective and infinitely safer than trying to confront a herd direct...
Yea
eternal talon
ionic dune
I could never eat raw meat
eternal talon
I could never eat raw meat
...it could be eaten raw, but was mainly used in stews.
it was used as dried food in most arctic and antarctic expeditions
including the famous Amundsen expedition, which reached the geographic south pole.
ionic dune
They built diff
ionic dune
...it *could* be eaten raw, but was mainly used in stews.
Yea ion fuck with allat raw meat (non sushi) stuff, eva is tryna convince me to that raw ground beef is good for some reason
ionic dune
Lowkey fire though
severe fulcrum
then 1 for sure
I'd say 1 and some of 4
2 aren't human by any measure, 3 I wouldn't say really are human
regal olive
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amundsen%27s_South_Pole_expedition
This is the most interesting wiki page I've seen
It's written almost like a book at times instead of the consistent emotionless tone Wikipedia has
regal olive
Is ATX-U3B-99O the same woman as R7Y-PWM-539
This log has given me actual trauma
I don't understand it
Infection begins, baby is lost and removed
So what exactly is consuming this person from the inside
Twins??
In the first log she referred to it as "it", singular
Is it just the parasite?
Is this just what happens to everyone after infection as their bodies are filled with eggs?
I don't get it
raw terrace
think itsd the birth of a mother enemy
past vessel
What's growing
royal crow
Cute
past vessel
she says "the baby" in the log
regal olive
But in the previous one she takes it out
Removed it after it died
Due to acute namv syndrome
How do you even live through this
You're not staying conscious during this
So strange
raw terrace
You're not staying conscious during this
i think namv keeps u alive
so ur very much conscious as long as ur a sleeper
ionic dune
Isnāt it the parasite that keeps you alive?
raw terrace
which is horrific yes means every enemy in the game had a human alive
ionic dune
S m h
ionic dune
something somrthijg combo
Frfr
eternal talon
so ur very much conscious as long as ur a sleeper
*if the mutations haven't rendered that impossible.
-> the heads of strikers being split in half.
Mothers for sure, potentially shooters, it really is a case by case basis.
And as for keeping you alive, though it is from the symbiotic relationship, I'd credit it more to NAM-V than Parasitidae Garganta, since the main beneficiary is the parasite, not you.
You are just it's host. It's meat puppet to control and use to defend the hive and other parasites
Realistically, if a host is conscious (from brain or other sensory organs not being severely damaged from the parasite's mutations) they'd be as conscious as would otherwise be possible.
Wether you lost part of your brain to an industrial accident or to parasitidae garganta turning it into bone spikes, an extra mouth, or w/e, the result would be the same.
The only difference is you as a host are entirely severed from your body in a control sense. You are there, but very much now a passenger.
^ take everything said above with a grain of salt. It is all implicated from a quote from the developers, claiming that sleepers "aren't zombies", and extrapolating based on that.
It's not really possible to interview a sleeper... so this is the best we've got from a theorycrafting point of view.
Or the best I've got, at least.
coral crescent
i understand that the hydrostasis is why theyve survived the infection
but what about food and water
cuz not only is there just none to be seen
but theyd have to take off their masks too
and then theres bathroom questions, and like-
idk lol
honest summit
i understand that the hydrostasis is why theyve survived the infection
but what ...
we are getting pickled in the yummy yummy sauce
lean edge
Yeah i remeber reading that in a log
coral crescent
oh so it's like a womb/umbilical cord machine?
I mean still begs the question of the long-term effects from wearing a mask for so long
as well as the bathroom stuff
but neat
also a bit of a silly question, I know LOL
regal olive
i understand that the hydrostasis is why theyve survived the infection
but what ...
Hydrostasis actually delivers nutrients to you
you do seem to heal and recover during it despite being dead
fluid circulates around
scientists actually used this in the complex before the inevitable collapse
instead of eating drinking and pooping, you have a mask on permanently, literally never take it off ever, and then just stay satieted via hydrostasis
AKK-3XW-EEB
...I haven't removed my gel-mask in 2 years, other than changing the filters....
coral crescent
surely that wouldnt work for all employees though
arent prisoners part of the legion program the only ones who go into hydrostasis?
regal olive
officially yes
but with a ton of people dead there is plenty of extra space for them
coral crescent
makes sense i guess
regal olive
it was not encouraged as official operating proceedures but the people that lasted the longest regularly went in HSUs
"a few hours" regularly
coral crescent
neato
regal olive
this also explains why our quad isn't starving
we "eat" inbetween missions
and we don't have to poop because we haven't used in stomachs in 5 years or something
thin surge
surely that wouldnt work for all employees though
arent prisoners part of the le...
Not always. When the virus started getting bad bad and Garganta was getting overwhelmed, some employees of SMC went into hydrostasis to try and survive
eternal talon
instead of eating drinking and pooping, you have a mask on permanently, literall...
i'm confident you are misreading that log, and i haven't even opened it yet. 100% efficiency in anything is a pipe dream.
regal olive
efficiency?
thin surge
AKK-3XW-EEB
This log is Nolan Connor talking about how he wears his mask at all times to avoid infection and does not have anything to do with hydrostasis outside of saying he enters it for a few hours at a time to prevent infection
eternal talon
efficiency?
in this case, 100% of the nutrients / elements / minerals of what you are consuming being absorbed by your body.
regal olive
if he has not removed his mask in 2 years, how is he eating
regal olive
in this case, 100% of the nutrients / elements / minerals of what you are consum...
who said it had to be 100% efficient
thin surge
if he has not removed his mask in 2 years, how is he eating
He literally says with the exception of eating
eternal talon
who said it had to be 100% efficient
...you... you did.
instead of eating drinking and pooping,
"other than changing the filters"
regal olive
...you... you did.
```
instead of eating drinking and pooping,
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where did i say "100%" or "efficient"
what does this even have to do with it
i'm not following
eternal talon
do i need to pull up the definition of "instead", or do i need to describe to you how our bodies absorb nutrients and convert what we eat into fuel?
eternal talon
regal olive
okay
eternal talon
** as an alternative to something expressed or implied : rather**
regal olive
does the alternative have to be exactly as effective or efficient as the originaal
thin surge
do i need to pull up the definition of "instead", or do i need to describe to yo...
While youre at it describe your eating habits while describing how your friend is dead and you are likely to be soonš“
regal olive
show me the part of the definition that says that pls
eternal talon
there will always be loss. our bodies, the microbiomes in our guts, etc, will never convert everything we eat into fuel. there will always be waste.
regal olive
where in that definition does it say "the alternative must be equally efficient/effective"
let me know
after we're done talking about the definition of "instead" we can also talk about hsus
eternal talon
in hydrostasis, our corpses are suspended in quote "This is without considering the counteragents and neutralizers we use in the amniotic plasma."
regal olive
where in that definition does it say "the alternative must be equally efficient/...
still haven't answered this
i never said anything about 100% equal in effectiveness, you pulled it out of nowhere and then got mad about it
eternal talon
1: the amnioitic fluid would provide us with nutrients, water, etc.
2: we are dead, so how are we being given nutrients?
for all intense and purposes, nothing should change about us while in hydrostasis, if i'm understanding it correctly.
regal olive
i don't know
eternal talon
i never said anything about 100% equal in effectiveness, you pulled it out of no...
and we don't have to poop because we haven't used in stomachs in 5 years or something
regal olive
yeah and how does this imply 100% equal effectiveness of HSU nutrients to eating real food
you can have a worse solution work
you understand that right
eternal talon
you are giving me whiplash
regal olive
can't spell whiplash without splash
you are also giving me whiplash and i don't understand where we are missing each other's points
thin surge
yeah and how does this imply 100% equal effectiveness of HSU nutrients to eating...
You are arguing a point that has no evidence in logs and misinforming people with it
eternal talon
on the topic of the workers, very very few of them would have ever gotten the opportunity to use hydrostasis.
else kovac would have just killed them.
regal olive
You are arguing a point that has no evidence in logs and misinforming people wit...
the evidence is our quad not starving to death over the course of the game, the scientist not removing his mask for over 2 years without starving
eternal talon
so they would be consuming food and drink normally.
as for our KSOs, yes, we are suspended in amniotic fluid which would do that, however, we are dead, so it can't do that, so idk.
regal olive
i agree that this is a contradiction
but i don't see another explaination
some nutrients must be delivered because we heal between runs
and we aren't dying from malnourishment
you can't do 80 expeditions without eating, you're just gonna die from exhaustion
HSU is magic anyway, so it's not hard to excuse it being a little more magic in terms of this as well
if that makes sense
what solution do you two propose for this problem
because i don't see a more reasonable one
eternal talon
i'd say, like other things, it is simply a plot hole / error.
when its convenient for the story/lore, we are dead in hydrostasis.
when its convenient for the story/lore, we are getting nutrients and rest in hydrostasis.
otherwise, we just don't consider the contradiction and ignore it.
if we had to stop for every error in this game, we'd never have any theories. there are SO MANY ERRORS
regal olive
okay so
eternal talon
do you agree, cluck?
regal olive
i'm going to continue saying and believing this is true then
because it fixes the plot hole and makes the log make sense
eternal talon
i'm going to continue saying and believing this is true then
saying and believing what, specifically?
regal olive
that we "eat" via hydrostasis
eternal talon
we, as ksos, yes, i'd agree.
as to the survivors... i'd just say he takes off his mask to eat but otherwise has it on at all times
thin surge
do you agree, cluck?
Yes, but saying your idea is the truth instead of clarifying its theory is important to not misinform
eternal talon
occam's razor is my favorite.
eternal talon
Yes, but saying your idea is the truth instead of clarifying its theory is impor...
100%.
regal olive
i consider it to be true
eternal talon
it's always important to note that these errors exist and how they impact other information
thin surge
because it fixes the plot hole and makes the log make sense
They had access to eat in the 1.5 years before KDS was widespread in the facility and using HSUs more, who's to say they didn't still just have food
regal olive
They had access to eat in the 1.5 years before KDS was widespread in the facilit...
because "i haven't taken my gel mask off in 2 years"
thin surge
And I havnt rode a bike in forever, its not a literal absolute statement, it has not been an infinite amount of time since I rode a bike.
regal olive
he wasn't doing hyperbole
eternal talon
I've remained as isolated as possible, and I don't have the virus yet which is... unexpected. There are a few of us who have avoided infection, and we've all followed the same pattern. Bare minimum of contact with any other staff. Full protective gear outside of our quarters.
thin surge
Explaining his eating habits wasnt the point of the log, it was Explaining how he misses Rebecca Stokes and will be meeting with SMC (Dreyfus) higher-ups to see the cure progress
regal olive
if what he said is true
and you don't have to take many mask models off to change filters
thin surge
he wasn't doing hyperbole
What evidence do you have of this?
eternal talon
what proof do you have that the universe didn't suddenly pop into existence last thursday?
regal olive
i was going to say if we're gonna do radical skepticism about inconvenient parts of logs
this all falls apart
we have to take logs at face value because otherwise literally nothing is certain
"oh this plot hole was actually just lies by the log writer" problem solved
eternal talon
we have to take logs at face value because otherwise literally nothing is certai...
and yet, some of the people in logs are unreliable narrators
regal olive
he seems pretty fucking reliable
thin surge
and yet, some of the people in logs are *unreliable narrators*
Hammerstien as example
regal olive
he's not hammerstein
he hasn't been infected, there's no paranoia or schizo behaviour
it's just a guy
thin surge
he seems pretty fucking reliable
Well you cant say because you must use face value according to you
eternal talon
he seems pretty fucking reliable
my guy, its the end of the world, he's literally losing all of his memories, he's trapped right next to what might as well be the judeo-christian hell...
i could go on
regal olive
yeah and the face value is that he's a reliable source of information because his voice and tone is steady, he isn't infected so his brain isn't wrecked, and he's just talking to himself so he has no reason to lie
eternal talon
i'm going to lean hard on occam's razor with this.
thin surge
Its not a stretch to say they eat in the facility. By your logic, how does anyone in the complex eat? There were still active employees and very few used HSUs because SMC denied the effectiveness of it
regal olive
occam's razor says
"the most simple explaination is probably correct"
notice that you still need an explaination
which you don't have other than this
thin surge
notice that you still need an explaination
Youre basing it on nothing besides "I think so" and deny anything we bring up
eternal talon
the most simple explanation is that it was simply hyperbole or a slip of the mind.
regal olive
Its not a stretch to say they eat in the facility. By your logic, how does anyo...
regularly, and thus most of them got infected
only a few haven't, and those that don't did the same
eternal talon
the most simple explanation is that it was simply hyperbole or a slip of the min...
or- like a dozen or logs, were just written with errors in them accidentally.
regal olive
the most simple explanation is that it was simply hyperbole or a slip of the min...
so what's the explaination of how prisoners recover inbetween missions and don't starve to death over the course of GTFO
eternal talon
this just reminds me of the "meters vs miles" debate, where one of the logs was wrong, as confirned by calle, that claimed garganta was some absolutely absurd size
regal olive
Youre basing it on nothing besides "I think so" and deny anything we bring up
i'm not buying the unreliable narrator about this specifically
regal olive
so what's the explaination of how prisoners recover inbetween missions and don't...
please do answer this btw
it's not just the single log
i used that as an example
thin surge
it's not just the single log
Then provide the rest
regal olive
so what's the explaination of how prisoners recover inbetween missions and don't...
. . . . . .
this massive monolith of an example
which still has no explaination other than what i'm saying
eternal talon
eternal talon
their muscles should be jelly after 2 expeditions at tops, and dead at 3.
thin surge
Whats the explanation of why cells are in the complex where they are? You dont have a log for it? Then they were moved specifically all by Henrikson and placed where he wanted
regal olive
anyway
eternal talon
sometimes there just isn't an answer
regal olive
everything happens because of something
thin surge
sure sure
Please explain the plot holes of Andrew Clinton sending an email after hes dead then
regal olive
i don't know
eternal talon
everything happens because of something
regal olive
we're also not talking about whatever that is
why do you hate this concept so much
why are you so opposed to this explaination
does it destroy some other aspect of lore and is incompatible with the bigger picture
i don't think it does
thin surge
Your talking about hypotheticals and claiming them to be the truth. Its not opposition, youre presenting theory as fact, thats the bigger issue
regal olive
it's just an extra puzzle piece that fits nicely on the board
eternal talon
it's because you can't prove it, we can't prove it, and the easiest answer is that it's just a goof.
it should just be let go.
regal olive
how much proof is enough proof
eternal talon
how much proof is enough proof
to the degree of saying someone hasn't eaten in years and has been using some kind of "gel-mask" to get their complete caloric intake + nutrients?
i'd say at least a paragraph, or something explicit with more info than an off-hand comment.
thin surge
More than "it makes sense to me"
regal olive
whoa
eternal talon
for something like that, it has to be said outright, with absolutely zero theorizing
regal olive
wait are gel masks used to take in nutrients?
eternal talon
wait are gel masks used to take in nutrients?
that is what you are implying, no?
thin surge
Hes implying the HSUs provide nutrients and thats how Nolan Connor was sustained at the time
eternal talon
Hes implying the HSUs provide nutrients and thats how Nolan Connor was sustained...
um, that's the same issue with KSOs, but i'd say it's more plausible...
regal olive
i'm assuming the "gel-mask" is just another type of mask used to filter air
i never said that the mask feeds him
i said HSU feeds him
eternal talon
i said HSU feeds him
infinitely more plausible
eternal talon
but still something that should be said with a "probably"
regal olive
i'm crashing out
thin surge
um, that's the same issue with KSOs, but i'd say it's more plausible...
Again I'd go back to the explanation of how is everyone else in the complex alive with very limited HSU use especially for virus elimination. Without direct proof however you cannot say thats what it is outside of theory
regal olive
Again I'd go back to the explanation of how is everyone else in the complex aliv...
you can be alive and be infected, for a while
and the complex is a massive facility so you can quarantine entire sectors easily to keep the infection away for a time
the log says only "a few" have avoided infection
eternal talon
Again I'd go back to the explanation of how is everyone else in the complex aliv...
i'd say probably scavenging. we know there are full-size cafeterias (though if schaeffer's logs are anything to go by, they are likely all overrun already), or eating vegetables from gardens like those pumpkins or smtn
^note the word probably
eternal talon
you can be alive and be infected, for a while
...up to five weeks, yes.
eternal talon
and the complex is a massive facility so you can quarantine entire sectors easil...
ehh... debatable.
nam-v makes it really fucking hard.
regal olive
does that not count as infected if it's incubation
thin surge
nam-v makes it really fucking hard.
Plus their quarantine zone didn't last very long
regal olive
you can at least slow it down a lot
eternal talon
isn't incubation up to months
um, let me look that up rq... i know if your immune system beats it, it will go dormant for a while to mutate itself, but i don't know if that is already included in that 5 weeks determiner.
thin surge
does that not count as infected if it's incubation
The claim that the HSU is feeding him is the issue. We already know HSUs rid you of the infection over time. Without anything to prove the nutrients part its just theory for that
regal olive
there was a study that had the result of
regal olive
The claim that the HSU is feeding him is the issue. We already know HSUs rid yo...
okay so
frostty disagrees with this
as an FIY
so you just committed the same sin as me
eternal talon
it's true, the logs explicitly mention amniotic fluid several times.
regal olive
now hang on a second cowboy
thin surge
frostty disagrees with this
With what part
regal olive
you said HSU never cleared infection and only froze it
regal olive
With what part
that HSU clears namv
eternal talon
as for our KSOs, yes, we are suspended in amniotic fluid *which would do that*, ...
^
regal olive
according to frosty it doesn't, it just freezes the infection in place
thin surge
"Rids you" (gets rid of)
eternal talon
you said HSU never cleared infection and only froze it
hydrostasis kills everything. nam-v included.
the damage done by it builds up over time.
it doesn't heal you.
regal olive
hydrostasis kills everything. nam-v included.
but you said when you wake up, it also wakes up and resumes
so it doesn't actually clear it
or get rid of it
eternal talon
but you said when you wake up, it also wakes up and resumes
nam-v? if i did, i apologize, that is wrong.
eternal talon
you're likely to get immediately reinfected from the outside of your hydrostasis unit
but nam-v itself doesn't survive hydrostasis
regal olive
so hsu DOES CLEAR NAMV
eternal talon
so hsu DOES CLEAR NAMV
yes. but it doesn't reverse the damage.
regal olive
thin surge
Yes but doesnt cure you. You can catch it just as easily
eternal talon
you will die to nam-v eventually, even with hydrostasis
every 20 minute excursion will build up.
regal olive
okay good
eternal talon
cell by cell, dying.
regal olive
because i also thought this was true forever but apparently it wwasnt
regal olive
but now it turns out it is true
eh you'll make new cells when you wake up
or whenever you heal or whatever
eternal talon
if you lost a leg, hydrostasis wouldn't generate you a new leg
thin surge
Not many in the 20 to 30 minutes of exposure
eternal talon
eh you'll make new cells when you wake up
depending on the length of time exposed to nam-v...
it's a lot of guesswork (regarding this specifically)
we don't know enough of it to the degree of an hour-by-hour breakdown.
regal olive
so we straight up have a way to defeat namv via hydrostasis
sure you receive dementia
and it doesn't work as scale
eternal talon
so we straight up have a way to defeat namv via hydrostasis
again, yes and no.
thin surge
so we straight up have a way to defeat namv via hydrostasis
Kind of. Its not a solution though, just a temporary help
regal olive
if you go in, get out, and don't get reinfected, aren't you now just.. good
you should be fine
eternal talon
if you go in, get out, and don't get reinfected, aren't you now just.. good
correct.
thin surge
if you go in, get out, and don't get reinfected, aren't you now just.. good
Staying uninfected is the issue
eternal talon
if you are infected with nam-v, enter a HSU, have your pod isolated for however many weeks for nam-v on the outside of it to die off, and you exit the pod, you will be golden
(minus any damage you had already sustained)
eternal talon
not nam-v.
regal olive
is namv damage special
eternal talon
is namv damage special
it's a gigachad.
eternal talon
it mutates your cells like a cancer.
thin surge
why is the damage permanent
It fucks the genetics of the cell, like cancer
thin surge
it mutates your cells like a cancer.
As I was typing lmao
eternal talon
As I was typing lmao
same brain cell aaaay
regal olive
frostty what is your professional opinion on the abortion logs
eternal talon
frostty what is your professional opinion on the abortion logs
you are gonna need to elaborate on that.
regal olive
i can't stop thinking about this fucking thing
so the woman who was pregnant, got namv and then a miscarriage
thin surge
you are gonna need to elaborate on that.
Think its fog Dimension/R8 spaghetti logs
regal olive
removes the fetus
and then later something inside grows anyway and starts consuming the person
which shouldn't be happening because the sleeper baby was gone
if it ever was one
thin surge
removes the fetus
It cant be applied to the main 2 universes for the same reason the other, other dimension logs cant be. Its a snippet of a different dimension
regal olive
ooh
thin surge
No further explanation than the logs themselves itself sadly
regal olive
one is alt woman one is og woman
you mean
and because worlds crashed into each other
we have both
okay
eternal talon
i don't remember the exact contents of this log to which you refer, but if you are infected enough to have a fucking sleeper growing in you, you've probably got more than just the one parasitidae.
regal olive
i don't remember the exact contents of this log to which you refer, but if you a...
it's not uhhh
i meant that the events don't rationally follow
thin surge
we have both
We cant confirm that though. Its likely fog Dimension because of it being the same woman in the 6D4 log
regal olive
fog dimension?
eternal talon
fog dimension?
one of the jumps with the corrupted data cubes in r6d4
thin surge
fog dimension?
3rd dimension you teleport to in R6D4
regal olive
o
regal olive
now i'm gonna have to find the damn log
thin surge
Anything R8 becomes a pain in the ass to sort because its a como of likely every dimension they teleported to incorrectly
eternal talon
Anything R8 becomes a pain in the ass to sort because its a como of likely every...
it's impossible to tell what is specific to what, yeah.
thin surge
Only reliable one is the 6D4 one, the other 2 are guesses
regal olive
wait there's no pregnant lady log in 6d4
eternal talon
r8 is š
regal olive
oh i'm looking at OG maybe
thin surge
oh i'm looking at OG maybe
Alt
regal olive
yea yea
thin surge
Og 6d4 has no logs
eternal talon
god, if i belonged to the OG worldline and was a survivor on the surface, having r8 happen and having the surface infected with sleepers i'd be pissed
you were fucked, then you were good (potentially), then you are fucked again
regal olive
seppuku
thin surge
god, if i belonged to the OG worldline and was a survivor on the surface, having...
I think it'd be a little funny to get a 1 mission dlc as a random group on the surface
regal olive
so
something funny
namv has caused an infinite amount of suffering through membranes too
because it's everywhere
eternal talon
namv has caused an infinite amount of suffering through membranes too
technically not infinite, but yeah
eternal talon
because it's everywhere
no,
thin surge
Not everywhere
regal olive
everywhere*
eternal talon
in every membrane that HAD IT
it became the dominant lifeform
not that every membrane had it
regal olive
yeah i mean mostly everywhere
so if our membrane had NAMV why couldn't we teleport to another solar system and had to hop universes
eternal talon
so if our membrane had NAMV why couldn't we teleport to another solar system and...
that's... that's what r8 is about.
thin surge
so if our membrane had NAMV why couldn't we teleport to another solar system and...
That was the plan, Schaeffer fucked it up
regal olive
if namv can stay burried in the ground for 65 million years waiting for life to develop greed
surely the vacuum of space can keep it away
eternal talon
also we almost certainly brought nam-v with us anyway.
thin surge
surely the vacuum of space can keep it away
No confirmation on it because we dont get Dauda's test results in a vaccume
regal olive
that's... that's what r8 is about.
in r8 we jump membranes, i mean why couldnt' we go to another planet in the same universe
thin surge
in r8 we jump membranes, i mean why couldnt' we go to another planet in the same...
Risks the chance of NAM V
eternal talon
in r8 we jump membranes, i mean why couldnt' we go to another planet in the same...
1: we don't know if the mwp can do that or if it always has to jump worldline when being used.
2: what cluck said.
3: we gonna die from nam-v anyway lol
thin surge
Without NAM V present there is not a chance of it going wrong. (However it doesnt really matter in the end because we got it when we leave )
visual oasis
Are all the levels names specific to the levels content? Some of them Iām curious to see how they are related
eternal talon
it says clean :)
infection mechanic is not nam-v.
raw terrace
Are all the levels names specific to the levels content? Some of them Iām curiou...
usually yes or a nod to an enemy, lore or whtev else
regal olive
i didn't know
thin surge
surely GTFO is the universe with good endings
Not the playable oneš
raw terrace
u can ask about any
regal olive
what the fuck is infection btw
raw terrace
what the fuck is infection btw
infection
eternal talon
infection mechanic is not nam-v.
this has been proven definitively thanks to syringes.
raw terrace
nam-vn't
eternal talon
also disinfection packs/machine lmao
regal olive
infection is the kush
thin surge
Are all the levels names specific to the levels content? Some of them Iām curiou...
Sometimes, a lot of the time its just thematic over explanatory
visual oasis
u can ask about any
R3 C1 Alpha
regal olive
lets see what chatgpt thinks
raw terrace
R3 C1 Alpha
that one is cuz it was the GTFO alpha level re-made for rundown 3
visual oasis
that one is cuz it was the GTFO alpha level re-made for rundown 3
Oh thatās neat
eternal talon
Are all the levels names specific to the levels content? Some of them Iām curiou...
most of the time, probably.
thin surge
what the fuck is infection btw
"Infection injury" incurred by using the syringes (mentioned once and not again lol)
regal olive
"Infection injury" incurred by using the syringes (mentioned once and not again ...
but it's also in fog
eternal talon
what the fuck is infection btw
stuff.
thin surge
but it's also in fog
Another unexplained thing
visual oasis
All the R4 B levels, Malachite and Chrysoloite and whatever
regal olive
just floating around midair
regal olive
but we do know it isn't nam-v.
i know >:)
i think i remember having this exact conversation
i hoped maybe something was discovered
thin surge
All the R4 B levels, Malachite and Chrysoloite and whatever
More thematic, usually the best descriptions are on E levels as far as name
7E1 8E1 8E2 and 4E1 and examples
raw terrace
All the R4 B levels, Malachite and Chrysoloite and whatever
i think all B tiers have gemstone names,usually to a reference to something like the color
malachite i bellieve is green
and b1 is green infectious fog
regal olive
malachite i bellieve is green
it is infact a mineral
eternal talon
i hoped maybe something was discovered
at this point? the train is out of track. we've got what we've got.
visual oasis
More thematic, usually the best descriptions are on E levels as far as name
R2 E1 CRIB is because the neonate is a baby right?
raw terrace
yes
visual oasis
Or something like that
raw terrace
the crib of da baby
thin surge
at this point? the train is out of track. we've got what we've got.
I mean, there always the change calle responds to the 5 questions I asked lol
thin surge
R2 E1 CRIB is because the neonate is a baby right?
That or the fact it makes pubs cry like babies lol
raw terrace
the crib of da baby
thats also why r7d1 is called mother, we raise a baby
visual oasis
That or the fact it makes pubs cry like babies lol
Indeed
regal olive
That or the fact it makes pubs cry like babies lol
bro we were trying 2e1
regal olive
a fucking guy kept waking EVERY ROOM
visual oasis
thats also why r7d1 is called mother, we raise a baby
Ohhh
regal olive
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COdoHpU_a8U
he dabs btw
visual oasis
a fucking guy kept waking EVERY ROOM
Still need to do that level
thin surge
a fucking guy kept waking EVERY ROOM
Play with infinity he'll get you the clear on his favorite level
thin surge
Still need to do that level
^
visual oasis
Idk how T-nepia did it solo
raw terrace
tnepi the
tnepi
regal olive
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COdoHpU_a8U
the conductor hits the dab as it drifts
visual oasis
Is he human? Does anyone know for sure
regal olive
Play with infinity he'll get you the clear on his favorite level
i've cleared it, i was playing for fun
eternal talon
didn't that guy quit GTFO then make an hour long video ranting about it (10cc) on yt?
thin surge
didn't that guy quit GTFO then make an hour long video ranting about it (10cc) o...
Different guy
visual oasis
Different guy
Who was that
eternal talon
i know the game is shit and full of errors. I enjoy it anyway.
raw terrace
i know the game is shit and full of errors. I enjoy it anyway.
so true
eternal talon
https://youtu.be/4eMNkLxFqfI?si=3xdhFVkTqvKKET9u
lmaoooo
thin surge
Who was that
Do be warned more context to the story is needed so take what is said with a grain of salt
eternal talon
gtfo is... such a complete mess at times. but it's our mess
regal olive
it's not ours
visual oasis
If I was a trillionaire I would buy another rundown
eternal talon
i haven't been here literally over half a fuckin' decade to pull out now.
thin surge
i haven't been here literally over half a fuckin' decade to pull out now.
Pull out game weakš
raw terrace
just for nothn
visual oasis
True
regal olive
man
eternal talon
Pull out game weakš
it was me, i did the ogr1 c*m foam
visual oasis
What are some good mods
regal olive
i spent 5 hours doing nothing
thin surge
moddin b freee
But think, R9...
regal olive
it was me, i did the ogr1 c*m foam
can't believe it was white
raw terrace
What are some good mods
occlusion š„
visual oasis
it was me, i did the ogr1 c*m foam
Man og cfoam
raw terrace
But think, R9...
i can do it mahself surely
eternal talon
can't believe it was white
proof is in the.... pudding?
regal olive
proof is in the canister
raw terrace
proof is in the GLP-2
visual oasis
But think, R9...
My idea would be to make it less story oriented and back to more doing missions for the Warden
raw terrace
my ideas are a mix
visual oasis
proof is in the GLP-2
In the OSIP
eternal talon
What are some good mods
Projekt Thermonuclear
raw terrace
some very story leaning levels but mostly r6 type shit
eternal talon
(totally not self-advert)
thin surge
some very story leaning levels but mostly r6 type shit
R6 sniper surely?š
raw terrace
R6 sniper surely?š
yeah in my notes it kinda is but less ammo
eternal talon
r6 literally RKO outta nowhere with how much story it had in it.
visual oasis
R9 would have the hardest levels
thin surge
r6 literally RKO outta nowhere with how much story it had in it.
"Too much and force fed" according to some
eternal talon
i spent so much fucking time on that rundown lmao
thin surge
R9 would have the hardest levels
R9E4 incoming
eternal talon
"Too much and force fed" according to some
oh i know, i think i told you about some of it
raw terrace
R9 would have the hardest levels
water would in fact make things wet
eternal talon
it's why alt has basically no in-level audio
the devs cut it and put most into terminals
thin surge
oh i know, i think i told you about some of it
Yeah, plus there's another vid over it thats funny
visual oasis
i spent so much fucking time on that rundown lmao
Danggg only 4 clears of Crypto though, disappointing
thin surge
Not as funny as some GTFO reviews at R6 that complain you have to work together, but still
thin surge
Danggg only 4 clears of Crypto though, disappointing
@eternal talon hes got a point, its a good level
eternal talon
Not as funny as some GTFO reviews at R6 that complain you have to work together,...
some of the posts on steam discussions are funny
thin surge
some of the posts on steam discussions are funny
Most of them are why I didn't buy it for a hot minute
eternal talon
<@385612298045358082> hes got a point, its a good level
look, my computer was (and still is) laggy af when loading. i have a hard drive.
if i could get past the first section of d4, i could usually beat it
but just dying while at 2fps sucks ass
thin surge
look, my computer was (and still is) laggy af when loading. i have a hard drive.
That'll do it. That mission and D/CX are system checks
raw terrace
i just overfixated on gtfo so weirdly cuz i knew about it since likee r5, saw r6, got obsessed by the end of r6, bought in r7
eternal talon
r7d1 memory leak was ASS
visual oasis
if i could get past the first section of d4, i could usually beat it
What like the first layer?
eternal talon
i literally only played that level once
thin surge
r7d1 memory leak was ASS
So Ive heard
eternal talon
What like the first layer?
error alarm + surge door
goes on until you pick up the first datacube
eternal talon
after that it is a lot slower and more tame
visual oasis
error alarm + surge door
Ah yes
eternal talon
that level is VERY front-loaded
thin surge
will i ever experience it i wonder
You should, most levels in R6 are free
visual oasis
Still found it weird they use meatballs for that error alarm
raw terrace
d4 had that beginning "are u good enough"
eternal talon
at least attempts are fast, i suppose
regal olive
the only r6 i dont' have is d3
thin surge
that level is *VERY* front-loaded
More sandwich, the ending is rough without funny foam
eternal talon
Yeah, plus there's another vid over it thats funny
link?
thin surge
Watched it months ago, id have to find it
eternal talon
Most of them are why I didn't buy it for a hot minute
i just remember that one boomer complaining about woke in fucking gtfo
regal olive
anyway
it's been fun arguing about this for 3 straight hours
i gotta go to bed because i have to wake up in 1:30 horus
hours
eternal talon
40k?
raw terrace
i just remember that one boomer complaining about woke in fucking gtfo
woods gay
thin surge
i just remember that one boomer complaining about woke in fucking gtfo
My favorite is the guy who's argument was that because its consistently hard and not $10, its bad
eternal talon
how's that video coming along anyway?
lose your voice yet?
you said you had hours of stuff to go through
thin surge
Have to start some recording over bc popping on S/K/C was annoying me. I have 2.3 hours of voice recorded and I'm halfway through lore, starting ALT at some point, 2 other vid ideas might come first because of how much more work this vid will be
eternal talon
still wondering how you are tacking that. We've discussed before the issue with summarizing, so much stuff depends on knowledge of other stuff - its hard to not stop every 10 seconds to go explain this other thing for prerequisite knowledge
thin surge
still wondering how you are tacking that. We've discussed before the issue with ...
Its coming with an explanation of certain things as it continues, not literally everything (eating habits and suchš“) but the important things for lore and story progression
eternal talon
for anyone bored, here is some lead pipe action
raw terrace
NO FRIEND
metal pipe
eternal talon
waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
will never. not. be. funny.
eternal talon
NO FRIEND
_metal pipe_
over here meming on an infant's last moments
thin surge
Shoukd have just listened (not thatd he'd understand(potentially))š
thin surge
over here meming on an infant's last moments
Big ass infant lol
eternal talon
that's a key differentiator between OG and ALT://
eternal talon
Big ass infant lol
well you know what i mean. mentally, they are still kids.
thin surge
that's a key differentiator between OG and ALT://
I have it as the nexus that shifts everything (game story, not prior lore)
raw terrace
well you know what i mean. mentally, they are still kids.
isnt it more like time cuz mentallly its warden sort of and cloning is just, adullt but deformed
eternal talon
isnt it more like time cuz mentallly its warden sort of and cloning is just, ad...
units =/= the warden.
the warden is(?) a collector.
raw terrace
ok ,collectors or or something kdmskm
eternal talon
the units are/were human
raw terrace
u know what i mean
thin surge
Just a clone given info by the warden with the audio logs it had access to to speak
eternal talon
Just a clone given info by the warden with the audio logs it had access to to sp...
B6A108AC43 #4913 - ā... are not clones. RISE uses existing genetic material, but the resultingā¦ā - flagged
test tube babies.
thin surge
Just like me fr
regal olive
Hello lore chat
Have we solved the last arg yet to get another meaningless log that contradicts half the game
past vessel
@eternal talon Vedder has been found
They were present solely for all of OG R1
I showed slendi the other day and meant to post here
thin surge
They were present solely for all of OG R1
I'm thinking it could be another contracted company (like during the construction) that got filed out for questioning anything. Why they'd make the same type of light from a different company is a little odd
loud urchin
the world of OEMs
past vessel
I'm thinking it could be another contracted company (like during the constructio...
yeah
dry marlin
Does anybody have a link to the website that has all the logs from both the original and ALT:// rundowns? I remember it had cool file browser interface
amber nimbusBOT
ruby meadow
[[Bucket]]
amber nimbusBOT
eternal talon
Found it https://www.notion.so/GTFO-Lore-Database-94aac69799e14948b3f9f418761c6c...
yeah, i don't know if this is up to date anymore.
raw terrace
it dooesnt seem to be
it doesnt include slug or short rifle or burst piss oon the weeapons thing
think it stopped after alt r6
regal olive
burst pissed-on
thin surge
yeah, i don't know if this is up to date anymore.
not 100% and has several that are mislabeled per dimension and placement in the timeline.
radiant socket
Found it https://www.notion.so/GTFO-Lore-Database-94aac69799e14948b3f9f418761c6c...
oh the lore in this game got me fucked up i wanted to look up some basic info about the player characters and ended up spending the last 2 hours going into deeper and deeper rabbit holes
haven't even gone through half of the text logs yet, just read the main wiki page contents for most of the characters and events
autumn seal
yeah the story is great
past vessel
The deepest depth we know of that is confirmed is 4200m (The Inner)
The deepest depth visited in game is R7E1
eternal talon
haven't even gone through half of the text logs yet, just read the main wiki pag...
Feel free to read the two "Lore For Dummies" documents in the pins of this channel.
It may be more time efficient for you.
regal olive
The deepest depth we know of that is confirmed is 4200m (The Inner)
Pretty sure it's 4020
Not that it matters
I always like to imagine the inner being extremely infested but it can't really be
Since people did go on expeditions
past vessel
alias:int_server.1024_ciph.tier5.phys_ops/PDeckerC085.flagged
Decker,
Here are the stats as of July 2053. So many unknowns - much of this is best guess.
General admin: 11,000 sq/m (offices, meeting rooms etc)
Habitation: 28,000 sq/m (dorms and private)
Recreational: 4,000 sq/m (rest areas, leisure spaces)
Medical: 14,000 sq/m (includes topside clinic and evac station)
Services: 9,000 sq/m (transit, power, water, environment control etc)
Utility & Access: 160,000 sq/m (utilities, access tunnels)
Mineral & Ore processing: 325,000 sq/m (mostly iridium and platinoid processing, some specialist facilities not explained in the directory)
Material research: 205,000 sq/m (can't get in to these so who knows?)
Storage & shipping: 485,000 sq/m (mostly topside and upper levels)
Modular Enterprise space: 315,000 sq/m (this is that Project Insight space we discussed, and something called RISE)
BioEngineering facilities: 90,000 sq/m (Hammerstein weirdness)
Affiliate allocation (Nyxos): 45,000 sq/m
Affiliate allocation (Rockford): 20,000 sq/m
Affiliate allocation (McCallister): 3,000 sq/m
Affiliate allocation (Kovac): ? (can't find ANYTHING on this, but there's several levels of excavation they have completely taken over)
Affiliate allocation (Unregistered): 185,000 sq/m (not specified, but we're still not allowed in)
Deepest point: Shaft 17b 4200m (we may have gone deeper. The drill never stops)
Largest natural void: Valiant Chamber 7,364,250 cubic meters (latest numbers, they're still exploring)
Largest excavation by volume: Probably KDS Deep? KDS Deep location was approximately 4,000,000 cubic meters before Kovac rescinded record access.
I'll fill in the blanks if I get KDS clearance. Or maybe I'll just walk in like I own the place ;/
Igor```Aha
I see
So
Does the name of r8e1 have anything to do with valiant chamber
Or is it just a coincidence
past vessel
Iāve wondered the same
regal olive
I think it's just a fitting name
Wonder what they did with all that dirt
That's a lot of dirt
To excavate
I actually wonder
Why is there even dirt down there
Isn't it all bedrock at that point
sacred maple
I think that's a coincidence because they mention KDS deep independently of valiant chamber here and R8E1 takes place just outside KDS deep
unless the two areas are connected
raw terrace
maybs its just a reference to thevoid of the exploosion too
like they are now similarr
past vessel
R8E1 doesnāt really have a chamber aspect to it unfortunately, itās partially Digsite and mostly Storage with no new tiles until the very end which technically doesnāt count anyway
raw terrace
wellvaliant chambers a void soo maybs thats what it means like, kds is now a void too
maybs its looko in too intoo it ksmdkm
and its just, the word
past vessel
KDS Deep isnāt the same as valiant chamber, it was excavated
I would think valiant chamber is akin to the inner itself (speculation)
raw terrace
nuuh
how do i explan this
so, valiant chamber is natural void, so like big open space im assumin
kds turns into a void, a big open space, cuz it- epxlodeds
so r8e1 name is a reference to it now being eithher the biggest void or just- a void
past vessel
thin surge
I think this may be closer to the meaning for the name since its a sacrifice (while not being 100% needed) so that the other team can escape......kinda
eternal talon
I'd love to learn moreāanythingāabout the collectors and their struggles, particularly regarding their ship, the crash, and the shenanigans thereafter
regal olive
Hey weird question but
Can sleepers transmit the varus
Sane scheaffer says "somehow you have avoided infection but that won't last if you start interacting with others"
Like
We are already interacting with sleepers by spilling their guts and blood on us
Why did he say that
If sleepers don't transmit it
That might excuse the ending
Also
The parasite is big right
As in
It has to be on surfaces
It can't be mid air
And the virus can only survive forever in the parasite
Sooo maybe the complex is actually clean?
It's been years
Any namv outside of parasites is dead
Maybe staying clean was easier than expected
If you just avoid the parasites
gray bone
Isn't the whole complex infected, and the only reason we survived is because of the HSU killing the virus inside us every time?
regal olive
Yes
But we've been asleep for i think 5 years before the events of gtfo
Namv on its own can't survive forever in the air and surfaces
It dies out
gray bone
Does it?
gray bone
And the parasite is in the sleepers, right?
gray bone
With most of the people above ground having been turned into sleepers
regal olive
In alt
gray bone
Well with the matter wave collapse who knows honestly
gray bone
I mean there are artifacts within R8E2
Don't those carry the virus/parastie?
autumn seal
new gtfo theory just dropped: maybe everything is actually fine :) (trust me bro)
honest summit
All in le head
severe fulcrum
I mean it's not confirmed we were infected in the end right
regal olive
It's tacitly implied we aren't
Scheaffer says we're clean earlier in the rundown
End screen also says clean (i know that infection isn't namv)
past vessel
It's tacitly implied we aren't
Has to be referring to NAM-V with his statement here (he addresses the ALT Team). It's impossible to avoid Infection due to R4E1 and R5E1
eternal talon
Can sleepers transmit the varus
yes.
eternal talon
Any namv outside of parasites is dead
yes... but as they exist in areas, the virus infinitely breeds itself within the sleepers, then spreading to the surrounding area via exhalation, sweat, etc. Point is, anywhere there is sleeper activity it would be constantly reasserting itself just by it being there. Same reason why if a family member is sick, you generally shouldn't be around them or use things they've used.
eternal talon
Isn't the whole complex infected, and the only reason we survived is because of ...
(effectively yes but also no) I have to say no because there are entirely seperate zones, mostly near the surface, where there aren't any sleepers, but we never go to those places so they dont really matter for the argument.
regal olive
Sane scheaffer says "somehow you have avoided infection but that won't last if y...
any ideas on this
eternal talon
Scheaffer says we're clean earlier in the rundown
earlier in the rundown, at that specific moment, maybe.
regal olive
if the sleepers just took ivermectin NONE of this would have happened
eternal talon
but also recall that schaeffer is 1: crazy, and 2: doesn't know jack shit about the virus and the parasite.
eternal talon
we (as players) know this stuff because we've read every log. you could argue even our characters wouldn't know a lot of stuff
well actually...
they'd know nothing
because hydrostasis
you get what i'm saying.
we are the 4th dimension
regal olive
i am getting what you are saying
eternal talon
wait it's alt sheaffer?
either or, honestly. neither of them are in a solid state of mind.
one is just less crazy than the other
regal olive
i'm pretty sure that alt scheaffer is completely fine
eternal talon
if you went through what he went through, and came out fine, i'd say you are just a sociopath
regal olive
okay but that doesn't change that he is rational, composed, and speaks clearly
OG scheaffer forgets he murdered a guy
eternal talon
both schaeffers have roughly the same history pre-garganta, during garganta, and ~their quad before breaking free.
regal olive
ALT scheaffer understands the whole plan
regal olive
if you went through what he went through, and came out fine, i'd say you are jus...
i don't like this
regal olive
meh
okay i guess
well look this is before he yanks the chip
right?
after he sounds fine
regal olive
there we go
he's acting insane because he has an artifical voice in his head that's fucking him up
eternal talon
regal olive
dude he sounds fine
he is very lucid
especially given that he has no memory and just removed the chip
eternal talon
hm. regardless, as mire said, he was communicating with the alt:// team, which isn't relavant for the ending, but also because maybe we just werent infected at that specific moment.
i don't know.
regal olive
i was gonna ask something else
i forgot
oh yeah i was gonna theorycraft about all the snake oil selling in the outside world once namv got out
i wonder if it would be better or worse
probably worse
eternal talon
what do you mean?
people being lied to about a miracle cure to something that'd kill them anyway?
definitely worse.
regal olive
during covid we saw a surge in conspiracies to sell remedies for profit
i wonder what it would look like for namv
eternal talon
during covid we saw a surge in conspiracies to sell remedies for profit
and every last bit of it is incredibly immoral.
eternal talon
immoral?
remember that, in the case of covid, some people can't be vaccinated people without proper working immune systems, for example.
regal olive
i'm joking
eternal talon
antivaxxers or people that think they are okay when they 100% aren't put others at risk.
regal olive
and every last bit of it is incredibly immoral.
because this didn't need to be said
i would have loved like a simulation of namv or a timeline
more in depth
eternal talon
i would have loved like a simulation of namv or a timeline
there was one. a really good one, on youtube.
regal olive
was or is
regal olive
yay
eternal talon
yay
the misinformation stays in flocks, yet the actual good stuff gets forgotten or removed.
a tragic reality.
regal olive
big sad
eternal talon
why the fuck don't we use NVGs instead of flashlights?
you are telling me a world-wide PMC doesn't have a single pair lying around in their HQ?
eternal talon
just say it
past vessel
every time you drop into a level your flashlight is coming from your torso and not your gun/headlamp until you swap weapons at least once
eternal talon
isn't that the same as when you have hammers out?
past vessel
nope
eternal talon
we certainly ain't rocking carbide lamps
past vessel
melee weapons use headlamp, same as all big pickups like fog turbine and hisec cargo
eternal talon
where DO those lights come from?
royal crow
every time you drop into a level your flashlight is coming from your torso and n...
You guys don't have a flashlight coming straight up from your torso?
past vessel
the light is misaligned ingame and it's coming from the middle of your chest
until you swap at least once
this happens on every single expedition
100% of the time
adjacently
eternal talon
furthermore, i think if this game were even semi-realistic, we could be way more resourceful as quads; molotovs from stuff scavenged from kitchens, etc.
past vessel
every time you reload cancel your flashlight on your gun becomes misaligned until you reload without cancelling. This also reduces the flashlight cone slightly
most noticeable with hel revolver, but there are several others where it's quite apparent
this also occurs 100% of the time by reload cancelling at all
eternal talon
most of them are blind. why don't we just make spike traps that they charge into while trying to chase us?
past vessel
spike traps are mentioned as one of the original ideas they had for the game as part of the 10 year anniversary
(this has no lore significance since it's never seen or mentioned ingame, but it is something 10 Chambers thought of too)
eternal talon
i know they said they'd never add a stealth ranged weapon, but a crossbow would be pretty fuckin' convenient
regal olive
why the fuck don't we use NVGs instead of flashlights?
Why don't we keep both our headlamps on and our guns lights on
Why are our flashlights all so remarkably terrible
Why can't we take LRF with us between missions
Grenades
regal olive
where *DO* those lights come from?
Head
If the game was semi realistic everything in the complex would be dead
There would be no sleepers
They all starve
gray bone
where *DO* those lights come from?
You're hallucinating lights due to HSU side effects
in reality your flashlight's been broken for years, the light is your coping mechanism
plush nest
I like this version
solid swan
in reality your flashlight's been broken for years, the light is your coping mec...
We do play as 4 mouth breathing scitzoids so it doenst suprise me
solid swan
in reality your flashlight's been broken for years, the light is your coping mec...
We do play as 4 mouth breathing scitzoids so it doenst suprise me
ionic dune
We do play as 4 mouth breathing scitzoids so it doenst suprise me
vagrant forum
in reality your flashlight's been broken for years, the light is your coping mec...
We do play as 4 mouth breathing scitzoids so it doenst suprise me
regal olive
-# we do play as 4 mouth breathing scitzoids so it doesn't suprise me the voices are loud
eternal talon
-# we do play as 4 mouth breathing scitzoids so it doesn't suprise me ...
why is your text backgrounded?
loud urchin
-# it's a thing one can do
eternal talon
vagrant forum
yall speak too quiet
eternal talon
# yall speak too quiet
vagrant forum
eternal talon
lore chat is getting quiet again.
past vessel
it's actually been quite loud today just a lot of scam bots
eternal talon
ah, well those def don't count.
vagrant forum
lore chat is getting quiet again.
which person in gtfo would be the best at playing gtfo
ionic dune
lore chat is getting quiet again.
its loud from scam bots š
eternal talon
which person in gtfo would be the best at playing gtfo
probably bishop, as he is most familiar with computers.
vagrant forum
bishop my goat
eternal talon
iirc he built the now dead santonian industries website
its sad all of the exclusive lore and stuff like that there is now dead
(first hand sources, i mean)
there is no longer a way for people to get it other than archives, or verify that archives are correct by comparing to the originals
ionic dune
if im gonna be honest woods has that main leader type energy imo, prolly just me not reading into the lore thouhg
eternal talon
and yet he is faulty - a reject.
either used up and intended for disposal, or a failure that was never intended to be deployed prior to collapse/kovac becoming desperate
bishop is the genesis operative of our quad
ionic dune
hmm maybe woods is that like gifted child but ended up falling just short of their abilities
eternal talon
his faith in the judeo-christian god is likely his reason for rejection.
ionic dune
maybe
eternal talon
Interviewer
Do you believe in God?
Woods
I am proven in combat. It is what I train for.
Interviewer
Do you think there is someā¦ some entity, some power that controls everything? A supreme being that governs our lives?
Woods
No.
Interviewer
Good. Because if you did I would have no alternative but to order a reset, and probably issue a Fault class designation. Do you want that?
Woods
A Fault class designation? Do I want that?
Interviewer
No.
Woods
I understand. Are we done here?
Interviewer
Yes. You can go back to your pod. Was there something else?
Woods
Have I been reset before?
Interviewer
Focus on your work, Woods. That is all that matters. That is what you train for. That is your purpose.
Woods
Understood, brother.
^ (from alt)
Recruiter
Do you believe in God?
Woods
I don't think I understand the question.
Recruiter
Do you think there is some entity, some power that controls everything? A supreme being that governs our lives?
Woods
No.
Recruiter
Good. Because if you did I'd have no alternative but to order a reset, and probably issue a fault class designation. Do you want that?
Woods
I don't know. Do I want that?
Recruiter
No.
Woods
Then I don't believe in God. We done here?
Recruiter
Yes. You can go back to your pod.
Recruiter
Was there anything else?
Woods
Have you ordered a reset on me before?
Recruiter
Focus on your work, Woods. That's all that matters. That's what you trained for. That's your purpose.
Woods
Understood
^ (from og)
ionic dune
yea, forgor they rejected him for that reason š¤
eternal talon
yea, forgor they rejected him for that reason š¤
i'm not saying it as a fact; i don't know it to be at least.
the two logs i posted say he no longer believes,
but given what they do say, and his current classification, i think it is probable that something changed between when these logs were made and current.
ionic dune
yea
regal olive
why is your text backgrounded?
-# the voices are listening
kindred forum
Thanks for the answers, Frosty.
You've been a great help.
rocky wraith
Yeah, its pretty much able to infect everything. as in EVERY carbon based biological with antigens
solid swan
Who is the person who talks in R8 release trailer? The person sounds really interesting and it feels like it's one of the characters inside the game but I don't really know who
past vessel
Dauda
solid swan
Dauda
That makes so much more sense
He def sounds the most scitzo out of every character so it for sure fits the trailer
regal olive
Zis place iz beeeeg
It's hard to say who's the most insane
The least insane is bishop
Dauda had zero mortality
Woods were insane and committed a mass shooting
Hackett also committed a mass shooting but that was fine because he was on mission
Take your pick
Dauda was a soulless psychopath who experimented on people
Woods was a soldier who had a mental breakdown and killed his own
Hacket was a peacekeeper who gunned down civilians during a mission
Hackett at least seems to have felt bad for it because he seems like he was suicidal
Bishop is just there because he's a dumbass and tried to blackmail the richest man on earth
autumn seal
Hackett also committed a mass shooting but that was fine because he was on missi...
"that was fine because he was on a mission :)" lmao
regal olive
It's more justifiable than a random mass shooting
autumn seal
he killed 23 civilians and felt no remorse, then turned himself into legion because he figured himself a psychopath
and dauda did very much feel remorse
regal olive
Hm
honest summit
Hackett also committed a mass shooting but that was fine because he was on missi...
He Shot people and didntfeel a Thing. That Guy is a Psychopath lmao
honest summit
Idk there are No Time stamps to say anything for sure
Could be a couple of days right after, Could be years 
honest summit
and dauda did very much feel remorse
Isnt that Daudas recording?
autumn seal
yes that's why I said dauda did feel remorse
honest summit
and dauda did very much feel remorse
Nvm didnt See that message
solid swan
and dauda did very much feel remorse
Yeah I feel like dauda definitely fits the scitzo test
I still think he is the best character for GTFO
eternal talon
and dauda did very much feel remorse
I love this line because it also helps to prove that the humans are still very much alive in there.
regal olive
Is there a lore reason why jonkler didn't hit the griddy on the sleepers in r1a3
eternal talon
Is there a lore reason why jonkler didn't hit the griddy on the sleepers in r1a3
he was too busy gettin' wasted with frank.