gtfo-lore

[eternal talon]

holy shit 200+ messages

note, that the "bugs under his skin" is likely related to parasitidae garganta, not nam-v.

it is the same scientific family as ticks and such

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parasitidae

[regal olive]

i left you a gift

:)

[eternal talon]

um, splash, in regards to the warden, we don't really know its motivations.

it being on our side in r8 isn't something we can really confirm...

as the alt://r6d1 log is without tense.

it could go either way.

additionally, the r2/r3 unit isn't like a conduit.

it was biological storage. we leave it behind at the end of the rundown (r3 that is)

[regal olive]

for what purpose?

the complex has datacenters and server racks

[eternal talon]

like many things, we don't have answers.

biocom is also partly biological, so it could be related to that.

[regal olive]

so wait if r2 and r3 weren't to create the friend then who made the friend

what led to him

[next panther]

i should learn a bit about the lore ngl

[eternal talon]

in regards to communicating to us over radios and the facility intercom, the warden is an alien.

it probably doesn't know english very well, and even if it did, it's entirely digital--

inside the systems of biocom

otherwise it would be long dead, like the rest of the collectors.

[eternal talon]

that's what the for dummies doccuments are always there for.

[regal olive]

okay, but how does creating a human help with english

also i think the warden likes dogs

[eternal talon]

it doesn't, not with learning english, but it can speak, and is... i guess partially invisible to sleepers?

they have a really hard time detecting the conduits.

[regal olive]

now that's interesting

[eternal talon]

also the conduits being human-based, they'd appear more like people, and less like monsters to us.

[regal olive]

finally an advantage of using a barely functional human vs trained soldiers

the conduit dies after that one conversation with chafi right

[eternal talon]

granted, schaeffer still killed it, but it is something

[eternal talon]

in the original universe, yes.

[regal olive]

that's funny

[eternal talon]

i think this is it

[regal olive]

q.q

[eternal talon]

this is mentioned in a couple places...

At first, when the creatures heard it, they tore it apart. As they ripped into it, it kept talking; trying to speak. It had no fear. Now the creatures don’t see it anymore, it walks through them like a ghost. If it has no fear it can’t be one of us. Next time I see it, I’m going to kill it.

[regal olive]

no fear?

well i guess fear and pain are not the same

wonder why the hell the sleepers wouldn't interact with it

maybe the conduits are infected too and they just slowly die as they live

[eternal talon]

It was a human, approximately. It was standing in the middle of a mass of creatures, and they weren't attacking it. The creatures knew it was there, but... pheromones? Temperature? Some kind of... social or behavioral characteristic? I don't know.

whatever the conduits are is mostly unknown. some kind of mutant, to be sure, because of schaeffer's descriptions.

warden's monstrosities created from the renmants of RISE.

[regal olive]

wouldn't call them monsters

fren shaped

very heavily malnurished fren but food doesn't grow on trees

[eternal talon]

if you had any other questions, feel free to ask them while i am here

[regal olive]

uuuuuuuuh

[eternal talon]

you guys went over a lot of stuff while i was away

[regal olive]

how many worldlines combined when r8 happened

[eternal talon]

we don't have an exact number.

last i calculated was something like 11?

don't quote me on that.

[regal olive]

11???

we know of like 5?

what is the giant dimension btw

[eternal talon]

OG, ALT, Destination, Nightmare, and the corpses of different versions of our squads

i think there was like 4 or 5 sets of corpses... including alt://r6

somewhere in that range.

[regal olive]

how do you know that these all combined

[raw terrace]

mwp shenanigan :3

funny funny

[thin surge]

Hence the vid in the works

[eternal talon]

OG and ALT is easy.
destination, because of this and r8e2.

nightmare worldline is also easy.

then for the corpses, its kind of self-explanitory.

[regal olive]

we see corpses?

like ours

[royal crow]

I smell lore

[raw terrace]

yeh

[royal crow]

Yes

[eternal talon]

there is also that one ceiling room...

[thin surge]

Fog Dimension from 2 logs too

[eternal talon]

a whole bunch of evidence. i'm not just pulling stuff lol.

[royal crow]

That's completely normal

[regal olive]

i wonder what it feels like to be mauled by sleepers

don't answer that

[raw terrace]

nomnom

[eternal talon]

there was that one zone where the ceiling was a flipped copy of the level below... i forget which one, and don't have a good picture.

[raw terrace]

r8a1

[eternal talon]

becoming a sleeper would be infinitely worse, i promise you that.

[raw terrace]

or r8a2 main

[regal olive]

every time we die i just imagine our guys sitting there and constantly getting slapped until we pass out

[thin surge]

68 or 67?

[royal crow]

You don't have a floor flipped ceiling? I do

[royal crow]

Oh, one hit is enough to instantly kill you

But you know
Gameplay

[regal olive]

we can tank like 7

[royal crow]

Yes

[regal olive]

no?

[royal crow]

Because gameplay

[next panther]

say that again

[regal olive]

explain how 1 tounge hit kills you

[royal crow]

In reality no one would survive more than one or two hits at most

[eternal talon]

personally, i think it'd be more likely that they'd want to convert us rather than just kill us

[regal olive]

other than infection

[royal crow]

They can bite you and take a chunk of your body

Tell me how you would survive that

[regal olive]

body armor

we wear apparel

[royal crow]

90% of our apparels are NOT armor

[eternal talon]

we'd be like, prime tank mutation material

[regal olive]

also it's tounges not like a buzzsaw

[raw terrace]

they have teeth

[regal olive]

they do but still

i don't think that's a one shot

[royal crow]

Looks like someone hasn't gotten bit and lost a bit of skin/body

[eternal talon]

the tongues also have mutated teeth inside those.

[regal olive]

correct but an animal bit isn't a OHK

excluding weakpoint hits

[eternal talon]

the tongues are like split and fused back together

its nasty

[raw terrace]

t thats what i meant

[royal crow]

Normal Sleepers are like 5x times stronger than the average human

[regal olive]

yeah right

[royal crow]

And we already have amazing bite strength

Imagine how powerful theirs are

[regal olive]

they have no jaw

we have amazing bite strength because we mew

we have jaws

they have none

[royal crow]

MEW? MEWING?

[regal olive]

it's just a tooth filled piece of intestine or esophagus or something

i imagine it's their guts

[eternal talon]

intestines are still there. the tongue is tongue.

just mutated wildly

parasitidae garganta plants its eggs in the hosts' intestines, also as seen in the picture

[regal olive]

i wish i could take my trusty wrench and fix gtfo

Fix the complex

fix world

fix namv

boom

[royal crow]

The engineer

[regal olive]

but then we wouldn't have GTFO

lmao

all the uncertainty makes me big sad

[eternal talon]

you know, technically, we could escape without nam-v, it'd just require a LOT of planning and time.

[royal crow]

time we don't have

[regal olive]

without namv?

elaborate

[eternal talon]

was about to say...

[regal olive]

you mean how in e2 we bring namv with us?

realistically

[eternal talon]

well, first, we'd need to seal off all of kds-deep, i mean, weld shut vents, doors, everything.

completely cut off all oxygen and everything

then kill everything inside,

[regal olive]

at what scale does the parasite live

[eternal talon]

wait a little over a month for nam-v to die out,

then make some kind of airlock with hydrostasis units to get into deep

sleeping in hsus in the airlock, and staying in them for a little over a month aswell

after that, it theoretically should be clear

but only theoretically

[regal olive]

the humble piece of poop on dauda's shoe:

(i kid)

[royal crow]

GTFO just needed some religious people that praise the sleepers and boom, we got a new dead space game

[eternal talon]

nam-v is really annoying to combat because of its infectiveness and transmission vectors.

[regal olive]

so is the consensus that with e2 we just went AYY who ordered a fucking PARASITE

[eternal talon]

primarly within infected hosts.

[regal olive]

and we kill another worldline

[eternal talon]

the virus renders the parasite immortal.

how they benefit eachother is simple;

[regal olive]

yeah but how big is it

if i saw one would i be able to hold it or kill it

are they microscopic?

[eternal talon]

nam-v kills and infects EVERYTHING really fucking crazy fast.
it runs out of "food" because it just nukes universes.

the parasite and nam-v are symbiotic.

nam-v makes the parasite and its host immortal, so it can just sit dormant, never running out of "food" between outbreaks.

in return, parasitidae garganta is basically unkillable as it has a universe-destroying virus ready to pop off whenever anything/anyone wants to disturb its nest.

[eternal talon]

no. they are quite large, given the size of their eggs.

once again, i link wikipedia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parasitidae

[regal olive]

So you could reasonably exterminate them

[regal olive]

Before the decon process

[eternal talon]

you'd have to, otherwise they'd render it futile

[royal crow]

Nom nom nom sleeper eggs

[regal olive]

Yeah but i mean it's practical

Well ""practical ""

Possible

[eternal talon]

its very very difficult, but possible

it requires a LOT of prep time

and time in general

which as pable says, we have... none of, in r8e2.

[regal olive]

Is this what happened

[eternal talon]

maybe an hour, tops, when we need months

[eternal talon]

no.

at least, it is not apparent.

we did, almost certainly bring nam-v with us, though.

[regal olive]

We didn't infect the new worldline???

Oh

So we're fucked

[eternal talon]

yes.

[regal olive]

Yeah

[eternal talon]

we will die slowly to nam-v,

dooming the formerly clean worldline aswell

[regal olive]

Slowly?

[eternal talon]

gtfo doesn't have a good ending.

[eternal talon]

a number of weeks.

[royal crow]

Durant was chilling and then we brought hell with us lmao

[eternal talon]

depending on how long we spend in rundowns 1-8 outside of stasis

[regal olive]

Poor durant yeah

[royal crow]

3 weeks actually

[regal olive]

https://tenor.com/view/spiderman-three-gif-19489818

[eternal talon]

i'm assuming average expedition time x number of expeditions?

i remember one of you did that calculation before

[royal crow]

We would also need to count some of the expeditions we don't play in the actual game

[regal olive]

Why does time out of hydro matter

[royal crow]

Like we killing Daylight team and shit

[eternal talon]

very true

[regal olive]

We did that?

[eternal talon]

nam-v kills you in a maximum of five weeks.

could be less, can't be more.

as long as we are outside of hydrostasis, that timer is ticking.

the damage is slowly building up on our bodies.

[regal olive]

Okay but doesn't hsu reset the timer because it literally kills it

[royal crow]

No

[eternal talon]

hydrostasis kills it, but it isn't a magical cure-all

[royal crow]

The damage stays

You can get rid of the virus but the damage to your body is permanent

[eternal talon]

we'd just reinfect the instant we leave the hsu

[regal olive]

So does the HSU remove the infection

It does right

[eternal talon]

yes. hydrostasus kills everything.

including us.

[regal olive]

So potentially

[eternal talon]

we are corpses inside hydrostasis.

[regal olive]

You could not comtract it again

So the timer is not ticking

[eternal talon]

if your hsu is quarantined for five weeks...

[regal olive]

We have masks on

[eternal talon]

masks are ineffective.

[eternal talon]

skin contact is a vector.

[regal olive]

Oh don't gimme that

[royal crow]

Nam-V went through the highest level of hazmat suits

[eternal talon]

all transmission vectors

[royal crow]

I forgot how is it called

[eternal talon]

everything except the vaccum of space, as per dauda's research

[regal olive]

Ttuth survived for 10 weeks OUTSIDE

[eternal talon]

scba

something like that

[regal olive]

Truth

[royal crow]

He avoided contact with EVEYRONE

[regal olive]

Including air water and food?

All transmission vectors right?

[eternal talon]

but it wasn't nam-v getting through that hazmat *

it was parasitidae garganta, eating through it.

[royal crow]

You know the virus just doesn't spawn everywhere

[regal olive]

My point is

It can be resisted

Look if our masks are shit why wear them

[royal crow]

Because of the air inside the complex

[regal olive]

They are detrimental

Yeah long term lung cancer big concern

[royal crow]

Bro

[regal olive]

What

It's some dust

Typical osha violation

Doesn't even have asbestos

Light work unironically

[eternal talon]

**...and our only defense is SCBA Level A suits when in NAM-V hotspots. Even with this level of protection, the parasites are finding ways in. **

[regal olive]

Someone didn't decon while getting out of the suit

How do you miss a parasite that big during decon

People must have been suffering so much

[eternal talon]

that much is true.

[regal olive]

I am impressed with mr. Truth

Like that guy made it far

Too bad he had to eat food

[royal crow]

I'm pretty sure in one of the worldlines he offs himself

In the other he just disappears

[regal olive]

There's 2 endings to him?

[royal crow]

ALT and OG

Yes

[eternal talon]

nam-v is just written in a way as if it is designed to win a powerscaling competition.

[regal olive]

The one is where after he dies his bunker goes boom

[eternal talon]

same with the collectors

they are just... wildly op

[regal olive]

It's not suicide

After he's dead he will destroy himself to prevent infection from him

Because he's based

Did everything right except murder his wife potentially and have a dog potentially

[eternal talon]

in the OG universe, only nam-v got out. in alt://, both nam-v and the parasite did.

in both universes, the mayans somehow managed to prevent total univsersal destruction in the 16th century.

[regal olive]

and yet og dies and alt lives

Where's the justice in that

[eternal talon]

there is nothing just about gtfo.

[regal olive]

I try to ignore that

[eternal talon]

it's greed and ego, all the way down

from dreyfus, to hammerstein, hell--to the very reason the apocalypse happened

[royal crow]

If you think about it, the Mayans won because there wasn't really many people to infect

Back then human communities were extremely scattered throughout the land

[regal olive]

It you think about it the mayans is a stupid plot point

Namv would have killed everything

[eternal talon]

on the contrary, i think it'd make a better gtfo 2 than the alternatives.

[royal crow]

How would GTFO 2 look

[eternal talon]

mayan suicide squads entering the caves opened up by the earthquake

[regal olive]

Playing as a mayan?

[eternal talon]

taking out as many as possible, knowing you can't return to the surface

its credited as why the mayans died out, in the gtfo multiverse

their war with nam-v and the parasite.

[royal crow]

Mayans did had more devastating melee weapons than we do nowdays

[eternal talon]

"flea demons" as they called them

[regal olive]

No lol

[royal crow]

Yep

[regal olive]

We have steel

They didn't

We win

[royal crow]

I said devastating not durable

[eternal talon]

obsidian is sharper than steel

[regal olive]

And fragile

We're not doing surgery here we're cracking spines

[eternal talon]

you'd be surprised.

[regal olive]

Would i

[royal crow]

One hit of their weapons were enough to completely cut someone's stomach open

Or almost take off limbs

[eternal talon]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macuahuitl

[regal olive]

Yeah so are ours

[royal crow]

Realistically only the hammer

And even then it's just a gameplay element

[regal olive]

If we had access to actual current melee instead of improvised melee we would wipe the floor with them

[eternal talon]

*we are also ksos, with significantly enhanced physical strength and durability.

[royal crow]

Do you have the links saved somewhere ready to send? Lol

[eternal talon]

no, just remembered what they were called.

i've got two monitors and have memorized more.

[royal crow]

Crazy

I didn't even remember the name

[eternal talon]

gtfo lore is my hobby

[royal crow]

This is Mayan lore tho

[eternal talon]

mayan lore is gtfo lore.

[royal crow]

Actually Mesoamerican lore goes hard too

[eternal talon]

its a part of the history, its a part that must be memorized.

and you really can't deny how interesting this war is, given its only briefly mentioned in two logs

[regal olive]

I will continue to deny it

[eternal talon]

and i will continue to think it's a badass concept that should be explored in a sequel/prequel.

i mean, there really isn't much for competition in that regard

maybe a pre-apocalypse game during the fall of garganta when there are still people about in the complex?

[regal olive]

It would be modern gtfo but you have medieval reskins

Yea that'd be good

[royal crow]

I mean

Mayans didn't have guns

[regal olive]

How did they even know what they were fighting

[eternal talon]

i wish we could have seen the ship

[royal crow]

Make a modded rundown :3

[regal olive]

The facy we didn't is extreme sad

[eternal talon]

...i have

[regal olive]

Make another one

[royal crow]

About the inner

[eternal talon]

i''m nowhere near talented to make custom tiles like that.

besides, i'd rather see something canon.

[royal crow]

With enough time and VRAM everything is possible

[regal olive]

Max depth is 4km so we're gonna max you out at 1.4 ok

Cool

Let me go to hell

You already gave us hell in a2 sec

Make it about the inner with some mine themed tiles

Instant S tier level

[eternal talon]

nah... the inner is like, propper space ship.

black obsidian walls

nothing even remotely human-looking

also fucking huge rooms

[regal olive]

I want the deep tunnels

[eternal talon]

the collectors must have been tall af

[royal crow]

And hot

[regal olive]

Why do you think so

[eternal talon]

The revealed chamber extended 43 meters to the north, measured 27 meters at the widest point (east from the point of entry), and rose up to 15 meters high.

[royal crow]

Oh my god

[regal olive]

Could have been a septic tank

[royal crow]

They were FAT

[eternal talon]

artifacts were recovered from the chamber.

[regal olive]

Could have been a garbage bin

(they recycle so very little trash)

[eternal talon]

given how advanced the collectors are... i hate that i can't argue with you.

their garbage might as well be planet-destroying weapons compared to us

[royal crow]

Do you think they use windows for their computers?

Or Linux?

[regal olive]

Linux

Obviously

[eternal talon]

holograms.

[regal olive]

They can't speak to humans

[honest summit]

What If Warden was their Bonzi buddy

[slow night]

Wait are melee weapons not cannon?

[royal crow]

Yes?

[slow night]

Wack

[royal crow]

How did you end up at that conclusion

We were talking about how melee weapons break limbs and stuff
And realistically only the hammer is able to do it

At least in one hit ofc

[slow night]

I assumed exaggerated for gameplay

[loud urchin]

has it gone circular in some weird way

[slow night]

Not they dont fuckin exist in cannon

[loud urchin]

there's the entire thing of "the prisoners are souped up on a chemical/steroid mixture to be stronger"

that has to be taken into account right

[royal crow]

Yes

[eternal talon]

wait wait wait wait wait... are we fucking arguing that sledgehammers don't exist?

what is the topic?

[royal crow]

😭

We were talking about limb breaking with melees

And I said realistically speaking only the hammer would be able to do that

[eternal talon]

for a normal person, yeah

i'd say pretty much any weapon other than the knife would be feasible given ksos.

and maybe spear

[raw terrace]

spear tho

[royal crow]

Bat would most likely still take a couple hits

[raw terrace]

kinda pointy stick removes meat of the bone

[royal crow]

Spear would impale enemies

[raw terrace]

nuhuh witha good hit it can be more meatyy

also

i would magine sleepers meat iis softer

cuz decomposition to a point

the skin seems pale

[eternal talon]

idk... how many swings does it take you to break an inch thick padlock with a bat irl?

[raw terrace]

and they are deformed

[royal crow]

Meat? Probably
Muscle? Unlikely

[raw terrace]

ñom

[royal crow]

Like idk, never tried it

[raw terrace]

one cuz im real based :3

and cool

[eternal talon]

i feel like it'd take dozens, at least

[royal crow]

Alright Slendo, I'll test it at your house lock

[eternal talon]

ksos can break it in one.

[raw terrace]

how bout i test u at my house instead

[eternal talon]

the strength difference between a normal human and a kso is just unreal

[royal crow]

At least invite me to dinner first

[raw terrace]

poor :c

[eternal talon]

*one uncharged swing, even

[royal crow]

Yeah but we still have limits

I mean

KSOs

We as characters

You know what I mean

[eternal talon]

regardless, about weapons being canon, they 100% are.

you could realistically find any of them in the complex, most likely.

the spear would probably be the hardest to find

but potentially doable.

[royal crow]

I'll invite you then

[raw terrace]

:D

[royal crow]

Spear does sound like the best weapon to actually fight sleepers

[eternal talon]

honestly? i'd go bludgeoning damage 10/10 times.

[royal crow]

Thousands of years of evolution, and spear is still peak

[eternal talon]

you've seen how little flesh/muscle mass they need on limbs and still can keep going

piercing just isn't the way to go

[royal crow]

Yeah but you also need to keep your distance

Being face to face with a giant or anything bigger than a normal sleeper is extremely risky

Hell, even chargers would demolish you

[eternal talon]

i guess you've just never heard of a quarterstaff...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quarterstaff

6-9 feet long, with a metal tip on one or both ends

[royal crow]

Cool

I need one

[eternal talon]

a "big stick" has been a concept people have used since before spears existed.

checkmate.

clubs, cudgels, bludgeons, etc

[royal crow]

bigger = more powerful

But would you find a weapon like that in the complex?

[eternal talon]

a stick?

[eternal talon]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanabō

[royal crow]

A stick durable enough and big enough to use as a "quarter staff"

You can't just use anything you find

[regal olive]

Spears are the ultimate medieval weapon and i will hear no more of this heresy

Spears take advantage of the biggest thing in warfare, just being really far away from someone

However given the range of sleepers you can't really outrange them with any melee

So this advantage of spears kind of doesn't matter too much

Unless you're dealing with chargers potentially

Also I'm relatively unsure of how well you or I could swing a sledgehammer at a sleeper

[static ember]

yes and no...

sure, the spear is the easiest to use and most effective weapon in the hands of a newbie

and yes, it is also abuses the biggest thing in warfare

[regal olive]

Outranging people is really good

[static ember]

well, i'm not angry

nor annoyed

you have a point, and i agree

but i don't agree enough, thats just it

i... think...

[regal olive]

What do you think is the best melee

[static ember]

in gtfo or in general?

[regal olive]

From ye olden

Or in general i guess

[static ember]

THE KATANA!!!!!!!

FOLDED 10 THOUSAND TIMES!!!!!!!!!

BECAUSE JAPAN STEEL WAS ASS

just kidding

[regal olive]

Wasn't Japanese steel really good

[static ember]

actually, no

[regal olive]

Because their ore was super pure

[static ember]

they had to fold it a lot when forging because of how bad it was

[regal olive]

That's not the story i learned from YouTube

[static ember]

me neither...

well, llllet's agree to disagree on that topicc

about melee... it mostly depends on technique, IMO

[regal olive]

There is a video of a spear fending off 3 katanas because of range

[static ember]

but in general, to whoever is handling, i would say a spear, yes

i would argue that the javelin is even better (which is a kind of spear anyway, so point still stands)

why? beccause it takkes advantage of the biggest thing in warfare, being as far away as possibllle

[regal olive]

https://youtu.be/y3TBhWXnbGs?feature=shared

[static ember]

you literally throw a arm-sized arrow at someone

[regal olive]

The art of throwing shit

[static ember]

i mean... guns are literallly the epitome of throwing rocks

[regal olive]

Yea

So are tank shells

They're basically arrows because that helps with penetration

I think the stinger spear would be the best thing yoj could have in gtfo

[static ember]

the only issue with spears is if either someone grabs it or someone gets way too close

[regal olive]

Jab a sleeper and tear that thing out and hopefully cut them in half

The super close issue is also for swords tho

[static ember]

but not with knives/daggers!

which, btw, are amongst the worst melee weapons in general

[regal olive]

Yea

[static ember]

because you have to get up close and personal...

so, the ultimate weapon would be a collapsible spear

short as a knife (pointy and stabby!), but also extendablle to be a big ass spear

but alas... we do not have the materials to make a durable one...

maybe the hacksmith will come up with a way to do so, or NASA... hopefully

[eternal talon]

A telescopic spear would have terrible durability

Not to mention you wouldn't be able to use it like a spear...

Because of the difference of height between layers, you couldn't hand slide.

One of the main (one handed) maneuvers with a spear is thrusting toward, using momentum and catching the spear just before it hits... effectively throwing it while still in hand.

Your hand would get caught on the first groove.

Also I'll die on the hill that spear + shield is superior to wielding a spear in two hands.

[eternal talon]

https://youtu.be/9Ix6sYSeBA8?si=R-31S4yfLm4xlXWK

[regal olive]

thrusting tutorial

[honest summit]

Change that spear to a hellebarde and wielding it in 2 hands would be so much better

[copper pine]

very usefull guide for spear mains

and i like it

[regal olive]

.5 .93319 .93

only god knows what that means

[shrewd violet]

line moment

[royal crow]

I wonder what are the lore implications of the diabolical scan line

[past vessel]

Had to have been fun clocking into work at Santonian

"yeah I work past the Secondary Bulkhead"

[ionic dune]

proceeds to run for 5 mins

[sacred maple]

I was watching a speedrun of a mission once and joked with a friend that these were the santonian employees who knew exactly where the scans would be because they worked in the complex every day for several years

[ionic dune]

Prolly true ngl

[raw terrace]

how many tiimes we got to say the complexwent on lockdown D:

and that sec scans wasnt the usual

[ionic dune]

Imagine they have full team scans

Would that be like

500K people needing to fit in one small ass circle?

[vast scaffold]

What if, it is to verify that you are human? some Dumbass sleeper wouldn't be abled to open a door that way, even if he can somehow flip the door lever

[raw terrace]

to verify u got permit to enter i imagine

its a bioanalysis at the end it figures out ur identity

warden- and schaeffer- does give us permits that otherwise we wouldnt have

r8d2 demontrates it

[regal olive]

Can you imagine like if the dumbass warden could just put alarms on silent

I wonder what all these sleepers and biomass feeds off of

Something in the inner is juicing them up maybe or is it just the nice glowing warmth from the nuclear reactors

[eternal talon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w99uV0G2lAk

[regal olive]

Going years without food has gotta be a little hard

Like at least a little

[eternal talon]

we have chemical soup in the hsus. we will be fiiiiine

[regal olive]

I get the parasite is immortal but the human body

Not that

Sleepos

Let them snooz

[eternal talon]

ah.

[regal olive]

What is their sustenance

[honest summit]

cannibalism

[eternal talon]

its a bit... plot-holey

[honest summit]

yum

[regal olive]

They don't attack their own

Otherwise the complex would basically be empty

2 guys click at the same time and then they start fighting because they woke each other up

Then the rest of the room joins in because now everyone else is also awake

Scouts would be nuked from orbit across the complex

"SHUT UP DAVE"

I wonder if you could tame a sleeper

Like a shooter

[honest summit]

its up to your interpretation here. They do be hybernating so they can take at least some time without needing for nutrition

[regal olive]

Yeah but it has been multiple years and they do move every few seconds

[eternal talon]

also the destination variants

[honest summit]

defang a striker and call him lamar

[eternal talon]

despite being millions/billions of years apart

they don't attack one another

[regal olive]

Clown recognises clown

Parasite

[eternal talon]

that's slavery.

[regal olive]

If(hasparasite) == true

[eternal talon]

sleepers aren't zombies -- the people are still in there

[regal olive]

I don't wanna hear this helkish eternal conscious suffering again

[eternal talon]

again?

[regal olive]

Yeh

[eternal talon]

did i already link you the rant about the mothers once before?

[regal olive]

No

[eternal talon]

they probably, no, almost certainly, have it the worst.

[regal olive]

I've seen it

This is another account

[honest summit]

wide opened ribcages is not so poggers

[raw terrace]

funny face :]

[regal olive]

I'm confused on whether the mom is one thing or 2 things combined into one thing

[raw terrace]

is one ttthing

[eternal talon]

two different people.

think angler fish

[raw terrace]

oh

[regal olive]

yay

[eternal talon]

vestigial male

[raw terrace]

is it ksmdkm [[Mother]]

[regal olive]

So much fun

[amber nimbus]

https://gtfo.wiki.gg/wiki/Mother

[regal olive]

Taking inspiration from trees i see

[raw terrace]

doesnt the model without tumors only seem like one

[past vessel]

Do we need to update the mom page

[raw terrace]

uh imgs maybe

the gallery is lacking

[regal olive]

I'm inclined to believe that the skull is just full of eggs

And the lights are off

Everything else in their body's full of eggs

[eternal talon]

i mean that's just hopefully guesswork.

[eternal talon]

we can see the outline of their faces beneath the membranous hood

[regal olive]

Looks pretty normal

[raw terrace]

just one person yeh

[regal olive]

Why are these different

Well no the first inage has another pair of hands

[eternal talon]

one person doesn't have two sets of arms...

[honest summit]

its front and backside

[eternal talon]

i have no clue how you came to that conclusion

[raw terrace]

possible mutation :D idk

[honest summit]

there are 4 sets of arms, if not more

[regal olive]

4 sets?

[eternal talon]

multiple [redacted] for maximum baby production?

[regal olive]

You mean 4 individual arms

How does the parasite even source that

Also i think it's unnecessary

One unit has some million sperm cells

I don't think multiple would matter

I also wonder what's up with all the tumours

[eternal talon]

i meant of females.

[regal olive]

Mmm maybe

[eternal talon]

i mean regardless, the rate at which they reproduce is NUTS

[regal olive]

I don't even know why they reproduce

[eternal talon]

sleepers throw themselves in massive waves to defend their hives.

they don't use tactics, they use mountains of bodies

[regal olive]

In the sense that new grown up sleepers just hatch out of the ceiling

[eternal talon]

my idea with that is redundancy

[regal olive]

I don't think babies grow into anything

[eternal talon]

though, it is hinted if i remember correctly that mothers and tanks aren't entirely natural mutations

[regal olive]

Dauda you fuck

[honest summit]

Megamom can birth Normals

[eternal talon]

bonk dauda

[regal olive]

There's one of those in the whole game

[eternal talon]

which is even weirder.

but then again, r7d1 fundamentally breaks a ton of biological rules with the unit/neonate

[regal olive]

What happens there

[eternal talon]

@rocky wraith

you'll either get an instant reply or get one in 2-3 business days.

[regal olive]

Beans hwat the fuuuuug

I'll look at wiki

[eternal talon]

he is our resident biologist.

irl

[eternal talon]

something about this game has had a tendancy to attract experts in certain fields in the past.

i know another person, punkthulu worked in disaster cleanup

[honest summit]

bodyhorror

[eternal talon]

but they haven't been active in years

[eternal talon]

yeah, but the speed at which it develops is biologically impossible

[regal olive]

This?

yeah i guess

[eternal talon]

read through this.
#gtfo-lore message

[regal olive]

I feel inclined to excuse this

They didn't have to add the animation to accidentally break biology and it has no other implications

[past vessel]

fandom wiki >:(

[regal olive]

What else do you have

[honest summit]

it would explain why Project rise clones were not lasting for long

[past vessel]

[[R7D1]]

[amber nimbus]

https://gtfo.wiki.gg/wiki/R7D1

[honest summit]

trusty #gtfo-chat that will definitelly not misinfo you

[raw terrace]

the other actually supported wiki

[eternal talon]

"B6A108AC43 #4913 - “... are not clones. RISE uses existing genetic material, but the resulting…” - flagged"
OGR6 HPF-4NP-UNK

[past vessel]

I’m the one who edited that exact excerpt in the screenshot

[regal olive]

Yay

How do you feel

[past vessel]

The R7D1 page still needs some updates too

[regal olive]

I wonder why the complex decided snipers and long range rifles were needed

Granted some rooms are big

But rifles will easily reach

Maybe for hostages

[past vessel]

kill employees trying to run away in the jungle

[eternal talon]

helecopter pot shots

[honest summit]

i assume its standart issued equipment for all sorts of tasks including for the ones outside of the complex

[past vessel]

When considering typical weaponry for security enforcement never really goes beyond pistols, SMGs, and basic rifles, the implication presented by weaponry such as machineguns and sniper rifles is much more sinister as to the militaristic nature of Kovac Defense Services

[eternal talon]

also, the penetrative power of snipers might have been thought to be neccessary to deal with tanks and franks

[past vessel]

When was the first encounter with Sleepers in the complex

[eternal talon]

remember, they were fighting against the sleepers and slowly losing ground for a few years

[honest summit]

they use hollow points tho, it is for human targets

[eternal talon]

i don't remember. at least as early as 2053, given OGR6 DT-E105-009

it was a good while. a few of the logs describe kovac escort teams for insight's scientists

[past vessel]

So that means it was for about… 3 years, given the Dauda log of him being put into an HSU and saying the facility is overrun?

[eternal talon]

last dated log is 2056, november.

ogr6's WRU-TYR

the one i linked before was in january 2053

i don't know if its the first, though

it's too late for me tonight and i don't feel like digging.

[past vessel]

Gotcha

So that’s at least 3, almost 4 years then

[royal crow]

I smell lore

[cerulean python]

what lvl is this for

[copper pine]

R7D1 i think

[cerulean python]

ooooo thats what that was i c

[rocky wraith]

wassup?

[regal olive]

Explain r7d1 and how that breaks biological science

That's why you were summoned basically

Or don't if you don't wanna

[rocky wraith]

basically the rapid growth and development of the neonate is wayyyyy to fucking fast

2 secs

[past vessel]

Could link the previous time you mentioned it in here

[rocky wraith]

Here is a brief explanation

and here

[regal olive]

Does this lead to any particular theories or something

Or is it just an inaccuracy

[rocky wraith]

no theories, its basically a part of the future science. But there are a lot of fun little tidbits that we worked on over the years to work it all out

[past vessel]

I’ve actually got another bio question: what about the biomass generating specimens seen throughout the labs environment dormant in tanks

[rocky wraith]

Oh yush!

I can explain those

So a standard procedure in figuring out how organisms work is to look at their proteins, DNA, and phenotypes(the physical presentation of characteristics). But looking at them is not enough to work out what they do. So a standard thing we do, is cause an error or mutation in a particular gene and then grow the organism as normal. You can then watch its development and see how missing that gene has affected its development, eg. if the developing organism is suddenly developing tumours all over, you can then infer that the gene might have something to do with DNA repair or replication. ETC.

Sometimes the mutation will just cause the organism to die, which isn't very helpful, so sometimes we introduce activation proteins instead into these genes to trigger them to fail later in development when we want them to, to then get a better idea of what's fucking up and why.

I surmise that these tanks are filled with the mutated versions of sleepers that the scientists are experimenting in this way to work out how the parasite/virus/organism genes are functioning in order to control it or work out cures etc

Just my 2 cents

[past vessel]

🙏

[rocky wraith]

The mass in the centre is acting as a womb and placenta to supply nutrients

hope it helps

[past vessel]

That does help a lot, thank you

[static ember]

there IS a log stating that the parasite and NAM-V mutate super rapidly and wildly. could it be the case that those are actually natural ocurrences?

i mean, they have the tech to bore a massive facility, so they sure have the tech to analyze genes directly

[rocky wraith]

Double check that it uses the specific word 'mutate' because I dont quite remember that and means something different than adapt

[static ember]

going

there, "... extent of viral mutation ..."

the whole log

https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/ALT://Rundown_1.0_Logs#834-786-872

lliterally the first log, lol

they definitely have the tech to "see" genomes directly, it is stated in one of the rundown 1.0 logs as well

even a geologist can do so, they being gallius hammerstein

[severe fulcrum]

there is a non zero chance that no the fuck he can't, and instead he just claimed that

hammerstein is an ass

[static ember]

fair enough

i actually got the "wrong" log

those are not from alt// rundown

by skimming the ccorrect logs, they look like to be the same

at least the ones from alt r1

[static ember]

they're in 205X, so they should have the tech anyway, no?

[severe fulcrum]

they could in fact do, I just don't think hammerstein saying he did something means that he did

[royal crow]

i smell lore

[static ember]

damn, schaffer is gay

like, literally

[severe fulcrum]

like "maybe they could but THIS EXACT THING isn't the right piece of evidence"

[static ember]

makes sense

[rocky wraith]

Oh yeah, normal gene sequencing will allow that, but telling what they actually do is why they have all the tanks

[rocky wraith]

Pretty neat, but you also have to remember that naturally occuring mutaitons are 90% deleterious and 10% addition (Gain of Function) mutations. Which mostly turn out to negatively impact the host. Researched mutations that are artificially put in by scientists are intended to 'knock out' the gene from having an effect. While many normal mutations may have little to no effect whatsoever

The gene shuffling is present in many of our species including us, (see somatic hypermutation for antibody creation), but the form and function that this high rate of mutation the parasites and virus tend to have are seemingly towards adaptation to increase infectivity

[static ember]

i''ve heard about somatic hypermutation, it's so cool

are you a biologist? biology researcher? something sciency and saucy?

i didn''t know that fact about natural mutations, but, in hindsight, does make a lot of sense

[regal olive]

He's dauda from another mauda

[eternal talon]

the fandom wiki.... mire is gonna kill you

[eternal talon]

yes he is.

[past vessel]

:(

the fandom wiki could have a log saying Woods likes to play with his pet flying squirrel before missions for all I know

no one is upkeeping it and it has a lot of misinfo on it by now

[static ember]

;-;

[raw terrace]

do u prefer ghostly or mire :3

[eternal talon]

Ghostly is an adjective and mire is a noun.

It is the correct way.

You wouldn't call me lostty.

[ionic dune]

I lowkey call him ghostly 😭😭😭

[eternal talon]

learn proper grammar

[ionic dune]

Team is this where I pull out the trilingual card?

But anyways I usually call people the first part of their name

Funny

[eternal talon]

I took French and Japanese in high school

[ionic dune]

Cuz that’s usually the one that is like

Irrelevant

[ionic dune]

Well by those definitions I’m quadlingual

Maybe 5 if you count my limited French

[eternal talon]

Ich parle decent 日本語

[ionic dune]

😭

[eternal talon]

I only speak a tiny bit of German though. Heritage.

[ionic dune]

So thing is I can like understand and be understood by Norwegians, Danes is slightly worse, Germans are also slightly worse but I could prolly survive

[ionic dune]

https://tenor.com/view/jose-mourinho-mufc-manchester-united-gif-19038875

[eternal talon]

More like my grandmother was fluent, and my great grandmother was German herself.

I spent a lot of time around my grandparents as a kid

I've never taken a course or anything. I only know basic phrases and words

[ionic dune]

Huh fair enough

My dads Finnish but like I don’t know a lick of Finnish

And I’m not really a part of the Finnish culture

So I rarely call myself Finnish

[raw terrace]

ok loremaster

[eternal talon]

Are all the members of the jedi council just called "master"?

You didn't think that through.

[raw terrace]

shure

:3

[loud urchin]

hehehehehehehe not me

although some people do call me andro

[ionic dune]

That’s cuz ur nick on this server is goat

I don’t look into people’s bios that much

[past vessel]

@honest summit @royal crow got some clarification on that "OOB Alpha Camp" in R8B2 Sec when looking through the cavern entrance if you turn around after teleporting for the first of the 3 terminals. It IS an Alpha Camp: It's a partially loaded alternate Alpha Three. Not sure that it's the same Alpha Three as where the Kraken fight takes place in R8B2 Sec though because the same sightline is used on the final teleport to the Kraken fight itself

you can see all of this from inbounds

you can hover over both alpha three and that OOB one to compare, it's the rightmost 2 buildings

[honest summit]

say, during the Kraken Fight there is a cave the sleepers are comming from. Is it similar to the cave we tp to?

[past vessel]

the Nightmare Strikers, correct? they come from the South end of Alpha Three. I think so-- but I'd like to verify that later today alongside the cave the Sleepers come from in R6AX, since that is also the same part of Alpha Three

[honest summit]

Didnt have time to write Till the end

[honest summit]

Cause i Could Imagine them making a Low quality Version Just to Connect the two arenas without the need to Render everything

[past vessel]

https://gtfo.wiki.gg/wiki/Rundown_6.0_Logs#PTJ-CRU-909

@eternal talon

I can't believe I missed this one

I mean they built these concrete walls, nearly 20 meters high right onto the seabed floor and then drained out an area that’s almost 15 acres, that’s… 10 football fields of seafloor exposed. The contaminants they have leaked into the surrounding waters are incalculable.

[severe fulcrum]

what is this clearing that yet wasn't

the height above water?

[past vessel]

nearly 20 meters has to be just the water depth. That's way too shallow for safety purposes, a small wave would flood the place

15 acres is a plot of ~246.3 meters squared, but we know that structures like this should be circular

[raw terrace]

idk i did not study to be an engineer

[past vessel]

you should study to be a door closer!

[severe fulcrum]

I'd think they mean that they extend 20m above water

but now that I read that 2nd and 3rd time

[past vessel]

This is an alternative interpretation and would be more akin to oil rig height before the platform

[severe fulcrum]

that would be reasonable

idk how deep the ocean even is at that locatiob

to take the other interpretation into account

[past vessel]

10-11 fathoms

[severe fulcrum]

how much is that

hold on I can use google

yeah I don't think that's enough for the whole wall

that would leave like nothing above water

[static ember]

couldn't Garganta be partially underwater?

the rain in the beginning of each mission might just be the water trickling down a clear-ish dome?

i mean, if it is at sea, no equipment could withstand seawater for that long without repairs...

and it's is not like they have capable automated repair drones, even though they appear to have robots in the labs section

[static ember]

it would also explain why it is never daytime in Garganta, because there is no natural light

[severe fulcrum]

I doubt they would do that

[static ember]

so the prisoners always go down at night?

i mean... it does have some sense

[severe fulcrum]

a dome wouldn't make sense cost-wise as well as construction-wise I don't think

[static ember]

the sleepers... sleep?

[severe fulcrum]

it could be night time, could be heavy cloud cover

or some man-made catastrophe

[static ember]

structure wise, it makes sense. it may not be a clear glass-like dome

[severe fulcrum]

I don't think "sleep" is a good word ironically

[static ember]

that makes rain forever?

[severe fulcrum]

maybe not forever but just in the 'right' moments

[static ember]

no, i mean they have a cicardian cycle, they "sleep" at night

[severe fulcrum]

or just for a very long time

what the fuck does cicardian mean wait

oh that

[royal crow]

It is partially under water

[severe fulcrum]

I think they just hibernate and don't even have any idea of a cycle

[static ember]

problem solved!

[past vessel]

La Vena is off the coast, most of, if not all other entrances are on mainland

[royal crow]

There's an entrance above the water with an helipad if I'm not mistaken

[static ember]

where does the HSUs reside in Garganta then?

the ones with prisoners

becase it is always raining

[royal crow]

Oh

That's just gameplay flavor

The raining doesn't mean anything

[static ember]

no lore related?

[royal crow]

It just looks spooky

[royal crow]

No

[static ember]

like, being underwater, or the NAM-V/parasite combo sleep in the rain...

[royal crow]

No

[static ember]

damn

[royal crow]

It's just gameplay flavor to make it look scary

[static ember]

this game is completely unplayable

[past vessel]

sleepers can survive in water

we do know that

[static ember]

survive, sure, but awake and angry?

[past vessel]

yes

[static ember]

not sleeping then? damn

[past vessel]

both

[static ember]

i mean, sure, if they survive awake, why not asleep

[past vessel]

you can get Sleepers entirely underwater in R8A2

[static ember]

lol

do they float?

[past vessel]

lemme drop in

turned on markenemies to show it wasnt a corpse

you can get sleepers semi-regularly here

[royal crow]

Sleepers take baths? No way

[past vessel]

only place in the game too

(there are actually puddles of water in Gardens, Floodways, and even the Destination cave arena and they can be found sleeping there too)

this is just the deepest water

[severe fulcrum]

no need I guess

why be awake and do nothing when you can hibernate and fuckall

[visual oasis]

Is there any lore reasons on how different alarms attract enemies in different amounts? (Surge, normal, diminished)

[past vessel]

The best explanation we have is volume/frequency meant to cordon off higher security areas. The full spectrum is Diminished, Normal, Moderate, Strong, Extreme, Surge

[visual oasis]

I see! That’s interesting. Didn’t realize there were more levels in between

[past vessel]

The Sleepers were being fought against for a couple of years before the fall of garganta, so it isn't entirely unreasonable to surmise such during training exercises like as seen in the tutorial and R8B3

[raw terrace]

in r8d2 it does mention Db levels and affects the enemies

[regal olive]

normal moderate strong extreme?

i have never seen those

[raw terrace]

u will do

later

:3

[past vessel]

Normal is just any alarm that doesnt have those suffixes

Moderate is also like almost the same as Normal, just slightly different interval

[regal olive]

the wiki doesn't mention them

just diminished and surge

[past vessel]

the alarm page probably needs an overhaul at this point

[thin surge]

Its missing about 60% of the alarms I mentioned in my script, with a ton of the info missing completely off the wiki

[past vessel]

That figures

[shrewd violet]

do we know if dataspheres are just storage devices? i had a crazy theory that they're human brains that have been repurposed as storage units, which is why data has to be injected into them

[severe fulcrum]

they're for sure not human brains

[past vessel]

It would be really funny if they were, because in the objective room of R5C3 and R6CX, that central mainframe is just a giant datasphere

you can just barely make it out underneath the monitors, much more visible in noclip to see

I've always interpreted it as The Complex's form of SneakerNet

[royal crow]

i live inside of there

[raw terrace]

which tile?

[past vessel]

R5C3 corrupted uplink room

[regal olive]

is there a lore reason for why R4 has this redness on the hole

also does each rundown take place in different holes

[raw terrace]

ye sort of, diff parts of the complex

[regal olive]

what about the redness in r4

[royal crow]

It looks cool

[raw terrace]

gaming

same as some rundowns have fog or not

[severe fulcrum]

from what I asked around it's just cosmetic

and yeah we use a bunch of diff tunnels for infil

as well as exfil

[regal olive]

it's interesting that garganta which is where everything started outlasted the world

even before gtfo's rundowns

the world fell before the complex did

and it's even more interesting that this is believable

while being ironic

[royal crow]

I mean

Garganta has super soldiers

The ability to make clones and use their parts to heal their soldiers

They had HSUs

Alien technology

Etc

I doubt the rest of the world had this

Also it's way easier to lockdown a complex made of halls and rooms than you know, countries

[eternal talon]

Wild animals can get infected too, and they don't care about borders

[icy totem]

chimp/shrimp theory will rise again

[regal olive]

they took our jobs

[eternal talon]

Tell that to draft horses and oxen.

[regal olive]

they took our jobs, horses and oxen

[past vessel]

@eternal talon I read another very interesting log from ALT R4C1

unfortunately I can't even post it because it gets filtered

G62-988-G2Q

[ionic dune]

why does it get filtered?

[past vessel]

alias:int_server.1024_ciph.tier5.phys_ops/PDeckerC085.flagged

Decker,

Here are the stats as of July 2053. So many unknowns - much of this is best guess.

General admin: 11,000 sq/m (offices, meeting rooms etc)
Habitation: 28,000 sq/m (dorms and private)
Recreational: 4,000 sq/m (rest areas, leisure spaces)
Medical: 14,000 sq/m (includes topside clinic and evac station)
Services: 9,000 sq/m (transit, power, water, environment control etc)
Utility & Access: 160,000 sq/m (utilities, access tunnels)
Mineral & Ore processing: 325,000 sq/m (mostly iridium and platinoid processing, some specialist facilities not explained in the directory)
Material research: 205,000 sq/m (can't get in to these so who knows?)
Storage & shipping: 485,000 sq/m (mostly topside and upper levels)
Modular Enterprise space: 315,000 sq/m (this is that Project Insight space we discussed, and something called RISE)
BioEngineering facilities: 90,000 sq/m (Hammerstein weirdness)
Affiliate allocation (Nyxos): 45,000 sq/m
Affiliate allocation (Rockford): 20,000 sq/m
Affiliate allocation (McCallister): 3,000 sq/m
Affiliate allocation (Kovac): ? (can't find ANYTHING on this, but there's several levels of excavation they have completely taken over)
Affiliate allocation (Unregistered): 185,000 sq/m (not specified, but we're still not allowed in)
Deepest point: Shaft 17b 4200m (we may have gone deeper. The drill never stops)
Largest natural void: Valiant Chamber 7,364,250 cubic meters (latest numbers, they're still exploring)
Largest excavation by volume: Probably KDS Deep? KDS Deep location was approximately 4,000,000 cubic meters before Kovac rescinded record access.

I'll fill in the blanks if I get KDS clearance. Or maybe I'll just walk in like I own the place ;/

Igor```

[regal olive]

what's so interesting about this

[eternal talon]

I've seen this log before.

[ionic dune]

the abbreviation for cm^3 is the male seed in this log

[eternal talon]

It gives very rough calculations for garganta's size.

[regal olive]

whuh

[severe fulcrum]

isn't it "just" how much usable area they got

so it's still pretty up in the air regarding like how long it goes in different directions

[eternal talon]

this is also "as of july 2053"

so it is outdated, even so.

[olive birch]

Do scout feelers come out from the head or the back?

I know in the game it is from the head

But is it supposed to?

By the Physiology

[regal olive]

Charger scouts bend down to feel

So maybe it's different

[past vessel]

any scout variant can bend down

if you immediately cause a scout to tendril out again the animation becomes funky and it comes out from their shoulders/torso for some reason

[ionic dune]

how i thought of it were like the "stones" on the heads are supposed to be tendrils

[past vessel]

papillomas

[regal olive]

i'm assuming it's around the bottom of the neck

they're stored in the torso

and they come out through there

they don't really fit inside the neck or head

it's a lot of 🪱

[regal olive]

Do we know how chargers form

[raw terrace]

just another one of the virus mutations, i believe its canonically a colagen like substance the one that covers them?

but same as shadows just nother funny mutation

[regal olive]

Shadows are weird

[visual oasis]

Is it connected to the weird glowy ceiling that you first see in R1C2 and other charger levels?

[raw terrace]

most probably
we dont know what the ceilng is, but takng the enemies work lik a hive, maybe soome protection as the keratin coat seems to protect

and the ceiling seems to be of the same subtance

[visual oasis]

Very neat, always enjoyed that bit of environmental storytelling

I don’t think shadows share anything like that other than always showing up with reactor deactivations

[raw terrace]

shadows share the capability of making us make theories on hoow they exist KMSDKM

[past vessel]

In the Nightmare Dimension there is different goop on the ceiling where this would otherwise be

[raw terrace]

headcanom is thats just ummesesary growth like a moss

like mom tumors, just a plague

[past vessel]

I mean I think it’s just the nightmare strain of growth plain and simple

[honest summit]

In R7E1 it is used twice and in both cases enemies come Out of it. So my theory is that its Something sleepers can travel through Like the Blood evevators in DMC 5

[past vessel]

The Nightmares are a different strain of sleepers

[past vessel]

Oh yes the flesh walls which also appears in nightmare dimension

[raw terrace]

huh where

[honest summit]

Brazil and reactor

[raw terrace]

oh a2

[raw terrace]

no i keant where in r8

but yes those two

thats true

[past vessel]

R8A2 Sec final area

Prisoners actually pass through that one

[raw terrace]

i already had answrted myself

smh

[raw terrace]

no we pass when there isnt one and then we look around and its there

[past vessel]

Yes so you passed thru it

[raw terrace]

as a2 happens in a much mote infected dimension i woulsnt b surprised it just gets made

[past vessel]

If you walk backwards you can see it immediately

[raw terrace]

um
fucking gameplay

[past vessel]

um you