gtfo-lore

[untold brook]

does that mean that the warden went with the og team?

[next panther]

he got pegged

[untold brook]

how could you know

personally i think the warden is a female

mistress warden and her 4 little operative dogs

[past vessel]

The Warden is a Collector/Collector program

(This is revealed in R6D1)

[ionic dune]

@midnight creek is my warden

[honest summit]

KDS is a Smoking hole infested by sleepers and the Elevator is destroyed. All of the ressources have been expended so it Has No other choices than to pull the Plug on itself

[raw terrace]

wardden probably just shutdown itself, letting biocom win as iit did not need to do anything else

[midnight creek]

big if true

[royal crow]

Gay

[warm bronze]

chat was it ever revealed what the cornerstone trials were

[raw terrace]

wuh

[warm bronze]

in one of Dauda's lore logs it mentions that they blackmailed him to join project insight by threatening to release the corner stone trials or something let me find it

"Interpol still has an active case number on him for the Cornerstone Trials, so he’ll be happy we disappeared him once he’s settled in to the work"

[raw terrace]

uhhh good question

[[Dauda]]

[amber nimbus]

https://gtfo.wiki.gg/wiki/Dauda

[raw terrace]

"This is likely related to the fact that Dauda worked for/with "unscrupulous drug companies" according to the official website."

[warm bronze]

yeah but that's like. not really what I mean. I was js wondering if we ever got like an actual solid report/log on the cornerstone trials 😮‍💨

[eternal talon]

I don't recall anything about it... so I'd give it a 40%.

If you want to be sure, feel free to go to the logs section of the wiki and CTRL+F around for any references to it.

[past vessel]

I've got one for you: what do we have on Cocoons?

[eternal talon]

because, like,

they ONLY exist in gameplay

we have actually no information about them in logs whatsoever

its just one of those things that is mostly a gameplay mechanic, that we have to do guesswork over

[past vessel]

Figures

There are several different sizes of cocoons, on this note

There is the R5A2 interrupted comms

The Mother areas are referred to as a “Nest”

but those aren’t necessarily cocoons, those are tumors attached to walls, ceilings, and floors which are identical to the ones on moms and tanks

Cocoons are also shown to respawn even Mothers, so

[past vessel]

List of enemies Cocoons have been shown to respawn:
-Striker
-Shooter
-Giants
-Big Shooter
-Shadow
-Shadow Giant
-Hybrid
-Charger
-Charger Giant
-Baby Striker
-Mother
-P-Mother
-Scout
-Charger Scout
-Shadow Scout
-Zoomer Scout
-Tank

Which leaves NM enemies, Flyers, Immortal, Kraken, and MegaMom

So I don't think it's due to any of the enemies we end up encountering in-game in combat/stealth

[eternal talon]

Floaters and krakens are legit aliens tho...

The respawn sacks might not have the material to recreate them

[past vessel]

Yeah. Just being thorough

Still, it would be NAM-V that made them, is that right?

[raw terrace]

most probably yes

but different universes different materials

[past vessel]

This is the key, I think yes

Different strains, same virus

Otherwise I don’t think there would be any reason Flyers never attack Strikers and such, they both spawn alongside and ally with them

[nimble saddle]

Isn't there a respawn room with nightmares somewhere in R8D2 or am I high

[royal crow]

They work like a hivemind perhaps?

[nimble saddle]

Or E2

[royal crow]

They are all different but the "same"

[past vessel]

I still need to beat R8D2

[nimble saddle]

I can help you if you need some

[past vessel]

Can someone check Z493 in R8E2

I think you might be right

Z494 might have a zoomer

[nimble saddle]

Wait what zone is that, the one with zoomers and nightmares

With a terminal with 2 commands

Aww why did I just get off pc I could've checked

[past vessel]

Z493 should be nightmares and Z494 should have a zoomer

[past vessel]

This would be awesome

[nimble saddle]

Just shoot me a dm whenever you need some help! :D

I'm always down to help

[royal crow]

Uma Musume reference?

@thin surge you forgot the 👍 reaction

Thx

[thin surge]

👍

[haughty stag]

Am I tweaking or do nightmare strikers respawn in e2

[past vessel]

I believe they do alongside nm shooters and zoomers. But I don’t have access to R8E2 to double check

[raw terrace]

they do

[past vessel]

Will add

[honest summit]

there are none asleep there. or am i missing something?

[past vessel]

Z493?

[honest summit]

493 has only normals, assortment of scouts and 1 mom + tank

(and shadows)

[past vessel]

how about Z494

[ionic dune]

What about z495?

[honest summit]

same, only from the alarm

[honest summit]

i am going to slap you

[ionic dune]

Do it

[past vessel]

I really need to beat R8D2...

[ionic dune]

Sounds k*nky

[honest summit]

bet

lets go

[past vessel]

right now?

[honest summit]

i have time

[past vessel]

sure

lets do it

[loud urchin]

if you give me some minutes i may go get laundry on then join

[ionic dune]

How long is R8D2?

[honest summit]

long

[past vessel]

with Sec, quite long

[ionic dune]

Nvm then

45 mins all I got🔥

[nimble saddle]

Hour and a half I'd say

Over an hour definitely

[ionic dune]

Yep I Defo don’t have time for it now

[loud urchin]

it took us 80min but we also dawdled a lot

[solar nova]

@eternal talon Does the hybrid have a mouth?

And if so, where is it?

Asking for a friend.

[past vessel]

Really appreciate the teamwork, you too @honest summit. No checkpoints needed

[past vessel]

The Hybrid does have a face and mouth, nose is right above my crosshair and the black blob is oozing from the mouth

[native veldt]

i understand it now

[past vessel]

same thing for chargers, but chargers also have a detached jaw that becomes part of their throat while possessing teeth. They also have red glowing eyes that are difficult to see unless they are awake and performing their tongue attack

[sacred maple]

In r5e1 the warden sends us to release the prisoners from KDS deep so it can have more assets to work with, does that mean that the warden was pulling prisoners from somewhere else or just only had the GTFO squad before R5E1?

I recall some of the mission briefings mention doing work for squads in other sectors prior to r5e1 but do we know where the warden is getting the prisoners from before that?

[past vessel]

R5B4 has us being a diversion of another team of KSOs. It was just running low on other teams

KDS Deep is not the only place HSUs for KSOs exist, they're just the most concentrated there instead of the others in sparse scatterings

[sacred maple]

Didn't Schaeffer get into an HSU at KDS Deep but then escaped when his team died? I assume the warden had access to kds deep at some point but then lost it, because Schaeffer gets into the pod during garganta being overrun

[past vessel]

Yeah, we had a discussion about this the other week, and I went through the relevant logs and contexts, let me link the conclusion

[sacred maple]

sorry, I didn't realise this had come up before recently

[past vessel]

#gtfo-lore message

-KDS Deep went under lockdown as Schaeffer closed the door behind him, and power was lost for at least a week so he could record the logs, but temporarily restored at some point after he jumped inside an HSU to avoid starving. 
-He was then be picked up by Biocom/The Warden alongside possibly other KSOs. 
-The power shut off again, and Warden access was ultimately lost until R5. 
-Otherwise he would be either dead on the floor or still sleeping in an HSU this whole time until prisoners reach KDS Deep in R5E1 and he wouldn't have ever been assigned to a quad. 

We obviously can't fully confirm it either way, and have to do some of the filling in like this. But this seems like the most plausible thing. The power had to have been (temporarily) restored at some point and Schaeffer was one of the lucky few who was brought out and became a KSO before his team was ultimately killed and he went rogue, taking shelter in his hideout we see in R6BX

He couldn't have found his own way out of KDS Deep, because then he doesn't go into an HSU and become a KSO, and an assigned one at that

[royal crow]

If you pay attention to R7A1 you'll see there's a room full of HSUs, there is multiple "vaults' or storage areas all around the complex.

[past vessel]

fun little lore drop

R6D1: Jump Gate
R7C2: Warp Gate

They are the same thing

Also worth noting that R7C2 Main Objective directly refers to Secondary

you do not gain access to it without opening that Bulkhead

[raw terrace]

ii dont get itt

r u saying r7c2 is in the same place as d1?

but like decayed?

[past vessel]

no, just that they are two interchangable terms

and this is from Dr. Stokes audio #4

Hearsay on. This is Dr. Stokes. This afternoon we detected a power surge in the translocation chamber.

the rooms themselves are called translocation chambers

In the same log, it does appear that there is only 1 MWP

She refers to it in a singular tense, and they had indeed lost it for a bit before it warped back

So, given that detail, I think it's reasonable to infer exactly what happened with the MWP between R6D1 and R7C2/R8A1: the only plausible things are that another team was sent to place/do stuff there, or it warped there similar to that log

due to the lack of bodies in the mission though, or any evidence someone was already there like say R2C2, I feel a bit more comfortable leaning on the side of "it warped there" because the MWP has datacubes inserted into it, and it has proven as an unstable thing to work with

I'm adding to the MWP page now

[past vessel]

We didn’t see the return but the Matter Wave Projector was on the mounting platform and the KSO was just standing there. He did eventually speak and he wouldn’t tell us what happened. I don’t know if he didn’t remember or he’d ordered not to tell us, but in the middle of us questioning him a man named “Piros” turned up, and led him away; just took him away. I mean, it’s good that we have the artifact back and we’ll scrape together whatever data we can from it but the only eyewitness we have, has disappeared into that mysterious Kovac area and no one here seems to have any idea what they do down there. I have so many mixed feelings: Relief that the device has been returned.

[eternal talon]

from steam trading cards.

[raw terrace]

thats a shooter isnt it

[eternal talon]

is it?

now you've got me second guessing.

[raw terrace]

[eternal talon]

none of these are labeled

[raw terrace]

looks like so

same egg

even positioning i think

[eternal talon]

god thats horrific

[eternal talon]

just randomly scattered around garganta. like the HSUs we find randomly in levels, or vaults ala r7a1.

warden had access to UP TO 8,000 before accessing kds-deep.

kds-deep housed UP TO 24,000

for a total of 32,000 in garganta

[past vessel]

Shooter Wave variant yeah

@eternal talon I just realized something: from the Dr. Stokes logs

Hearsay on. This is Dr. Stokes. I uhh… I have some thoughts on artifacts 13, 14 and 17. I’m referring to these items as “The Data Blocks”, my theory is that the Blocks hold digital data of some description. We haven’t found a way to access this data yet, but I have James working on an interface. The Blocks share design aesthetics with the Matter Wave Projector. As far as I can tell they are constructed of similar materials… Dr. Hammerstein disagrees, but he always does so… useless. I’m confident the Blocks are supposed to attach to the Matter Wave Projector, unfortunately the workers who discovered these artifacts also disappeared. The fact they can’t be found anywhere in Garganta and that BIOCOM literally has no trace of their BioSigs anywhere, is remarkable. I’m trying not to speculate too much but they went “somewhere”! We’re looking into the possibility that the behavior of the artifacts may be inhibited or regulated in some manner by Cretasium 77A. It has been found in large quantities throughout the fossil and it’s the only material that does not disappear when introduced to the… hello? Hello? Dr. Hammerstein? Uhm… where was I? Uh… pause recording.

We initiated a jump with the Matter Wave Projector but with the different configurations of the Data Blocks; they are navigation blocks. I don’t know how we can figure out where they go to without actually going there ourselves, but at least we know. What else? The silicon resin does temporarily block the jump defect, so that has helped. It decays pretty quickly as the Cretasium eats through it, but it means we actually can touch the artifacts at least.

So those black crystals we see in the MWP and possibly Destination, especially around Alpha Two... are Cretasium 77a?

[eternal talon]

honestly... i'm not so sure.

the MWP seems to use it as either a fuel source or a focusing crystal

and the floaters look like they might be eating it, given their backs strongly resemble the material.

it would also explain their limited teleportation ability.

it just doesn't make sense to me why you'd build your ship out of the crystals given the above.

(you wouldn't build a car out of coal)

also... dwon?

[past vessel]

I’m fixing it

[eternal talon]

it's funny to me that so many articles on the wiki say "are an antagonist of gtfo"

nam-v, parasitidae garganta, the collectors,

the warden is a "mysterious antagonist"

[past vessel]

This is actually a really good observation, they could be latching onto the Translocation Tether we use

[royal crow]

Dwon is an antagonist

[past vessel]

also all of those are official pieces of terminology directly used in-game

[raw terrace]

nam-v cant rlly b the antagonist per se can it? cuz isnt an antagonist defined as a character/thhing with opposite views to the protagonist?

[past vessel]

Matter Wave Collapses are seen in R7C2 and R7E1

[ionic dune]

~~not if you Brazil skip ~~

[past vessel]

is it a good thing or bad thing I can now recognize all of the Alpha Camps

[royal crow]

Nope, it can be anything that goes against the protagonist, either a person, group or object.

[eternal talon]

"Parasitidae Garganta,[1] Parasitidae Hammerstein,[2] or simply the parasite, is a parasitic outbreak which began in Garganta. In symbiosis with NAM-V, it is the primary antagonist in GTFO and responsible for the sleepers and other environmental hazards encountered throughout The Complex."

"NAM-V, the NAM virus, or the simply the virus, is a viral outbreak which began in Garganta and eventually spread across the planet. In symbiosis with the parasites, it is the primary antagonist in GTFO and responsible for the Sleepers and other environmental hazards encountered throughout The Complex."

[ionic dune]

More so striving against the main characters

[raw terrace]

okk so just against

[eternal talon]

if you trip on a rock in the middle of the road is it an antagonist?

[raw terrace]

idk whhy u put thhe def of nam v but

ok ksmdkms

[past vessel]

Like I know this is R6B1 Alpha Two

[eternal talon]

how far does this definition go?

[royal crow]

100%

[raw terrace]

"a person who actively opposes or is hostile to someone or something; an adversary."
hostile

[past vessel]

Moth is an antagonist for throwing

[ionic dune]

Like in ”md house” house’s addiction to Vicodin is an active antagonist, even though it’s not a lifeform

[ionic dune]

Protagonist*

[raw terrace]

whats even md house

my doctor house?

[ionic dune]

Actually nvm

[ionic dune]

Series

Very good one at that

[raw terrace]

isnt it dr house

[eternal talon]

btw, i didn't post it earlier, but this is the charger image from the steam trading cards. it doesn't have the gunk so you can see the face far easier

[royal crow]

Smash

[royal crow]

I think that's the name in Spanish of the series

[raw terrace]

house md

te mamaste

[ionic dune]

Yucky

[raw terrace]

but house

[past vessel]

MWP page fixed

super happy that all of that stuff is written down now

[ionic dune]

Dwon 🥀

[past vessel]

no single Jump Gate will tell you all of those terms

I had to go through all of them lol

[eternal talon]

what about the og jump gates?

[past vessel]

what about them

[raw terrace]

og r6?

[royal crow]

I ate them

[raw terrace]

yummers

[royal crow]

Tasty

[past vessel]

As far as I can tell, that's the same objective stack items as ALT

[eternal talon]

another angle of the... whatever collector tech with brighter lighting

[eternal talon]

the floater jump thing looks like a tiny black hole

i don't think i have any other pictures of it

[past vessel]

that Flyer observation about their backs is such a good observation

[eternal talon]

just barely -- at the back of this one

[past vessel]

if they've been eating the crystals they are all basically mini MWPs

[eternal talon]

oh i've got TONS of floater pictures. thems aliens.

[eternal talon]

...except they can't jump between worldlines, only to different locations within them, otherwise they would be in garganta prior to r6b1 (even if they didn't exist prior because the devs didnt make them yet)

[past vessel]

So does that mean Destination is within the same Membrane, just on some far off planet

[eternal talon]

both.

earth is in the earth.XXXXXXXXX membrane at the location of earth.

destination is in the destination membrane in the butterfly nebula. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NGC_6302

it is both a planet really fucking far away, and its in a different universe.

don't forget, time in that universe/worldline is 85x faster than in our own universe, as per stokes' logs

STOKES
It's not a relativity issue. This is a calculable change in the quantum frequency. Durant's time was running faster than our time. And not by a little - by a lot. Back of the envelope math is1 second in our quantum frequency is about 85 seconds in Durant's quantum frequency. I mean I
[4.4 second silence]
STOKES
I want to scream but I don't have the energy. There are places that pass through time at a different rate. This is multi-dimensional physics. This is a change in our fundamental understanding of the universe, or it's another universe, or there are multiple versions of this universe and we happened to pick up the trace of a different universe or
[6.7 second silence]

...

This is a change in our fundamental understanding of the universe, or it's another universe, or there are multiple versions of this universe and we happened to pick up the trace of a different universe or

[past vessel]

I will have to start editing the Destination page next...

[eternal talon]

yes, realistically every "membrane" that gtfo calls it, is its own universe

i started the trend of calling them "worldlines" because that is the specific type of multiverse that gtfo seems to follow closest
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_line

[past vessel]

yeah I just use official terminology whenever possible, can include fan terms

worldlines as a term is steins gate

[eternal talon]

not wholly unique to steins;gate, and didn't originate from it.

its just one of many different multiverse theories purported by science.

[past vessel]

I guess I should say popularized by outside the general field of theoretical physics itself

[eternal talon]

steins;gate itself has its own spin on it and also isn't entirely accurate.

popularized? abso-fucking-lutely

if you hear "worldline" 99% of the time you jump to steins;gate if you know about it.

[eternal talon]

yeah

a lot of the actual math and science of it goes... way over my head.

hell even the wikipedia article is hard to read lol

"Almost all science-fiction stories which use this concept actively, such as to enable time travel, oversimplify this concept to a one-dimensional timeline to fit a linear structure, which does not fit models of reality. Such time machines are often portrayed as being instantaneous, with its contents departing one time and arriving in another—but at the same literal geographic point in space. This is often carried out without note of a reference frame, or with the implicit assumption that the reference frame is local; as such, this would require either accurate teleportation, as a rotating planet, being under acceleration, is not an inertial frame, or for the time machine to remain in the same place, its contents 'frozen'." - wikipedia

unfortunately... gtfo doesn't take the easy route, and does include the hair-tearing of multiple dimensions.

it's really fun to ramble on and on about this kind of thing

and gtfo lore in general.

[past vessel]

makes grasping such concepts a bit easier

[eternal talon]

what, having an old hermit around with years of lore experience/digging?

it's hard to believe this game is already over half a decade old. closer to 7 years than 5.

[past vessel]

GTFO's lore is really good but it is a herculean effort to put it all together because it is told largely out of order and obscurely/through environmental clues

[eternal talon]

haha, it really is a pain in the ass

but i love it.

[past vessel]

its kinda hard to put things together when a not small number of missions have you do stuff really fast

being able to run/fly around in peace helps

[eternal talon]

i think its both harder and easier than it used to be. particularly in relation to the really early rundowns.

because there is more information all-together, but you have to put more effort in to get it all.

not to mention the removed stuff...

im not sure of any other game that has the same sort of problem

[past vessel]

the final log in R6D4 has you access that terminal during a permanent surge alarm

[eternal talon]

maybe starcraft 1... i know the old ports that had unique campaigns are considered canon

[past vessel]

theres no way I want to read that in the moment

[eternal talon]

print screen moment.

[past vessel]

LogLibrary moment

[eternal talon]

nah, back in the day we used to SPAM this channel with .pngs

it was all done in-game with screenshots

i think i've talked about this before.

when a new rundown would come out, (particularly pre-alt://), we would race and try and see who could get the most logs on day-1.

but mainly it was to collect info as fast as possible

[eternal talon]

its how i got really good at door cheesing lol.

cheap tactics because the logs > gameplay

[past vessel]

also includes an in-built audio player for the audio logs

[eternal talon]

yeah, plugins like that just weren't a thing we used.

i know i used a bit of cconsole in the alts, but r6 and r7, it was vanilla.

i think... i played through every rundown at time of release except ogr4 and ogr5.

[past vessel]

cconsole is my sanity saver for quick checking stuff for documentation

"how many of this type of enemy in this zone/what spawns from this alarm"

[eternal talon]

thats not... you know its random right?

number of enemies is either setspawn, or it is weighted

and you'll get a random number between X and Y

[past vessel]

it's pseudo random

[eternal talon]

scouts, mothers, tanks, that kind of thing is usually setspawn

[past vessel]

some missions like R4D2 Sec have a chance to spawn more or less Scouts than normal

[eternal talon]

the rest is usually weighted

[past vessel]

Mothers like in R7E1 can be overwritten by the matter wave collapse due to bug

Tanks are set in every instance I can think of

R1D1 also has a chance to not spawn a third Scout in the final alarm room

this isn't the case in R5D1

It took me 5 resets to get a Big Shooter in the Cocoons zone of R6D1 yesterday

so yeah, stuff like that

[eternal talon]

something like this

"EnemySpawningInZone": [
          {
            "Difficulty": 6,
            "GroupType": 0,
            "Distribution": 2,
            "DistributionValue": 0.7
          },
          {
            "Difficulty": 4,
            "GroupType": 3,
            "Distribution": 1,
            "DistributionValue": 1
          }
        ],

(ignore specifics, not from vanilla)

[past vessel]

I can look at the datablocks but ultimately I also like to look in-game in case something isn't working properly

right now I still don't know why the PMom gets deleted so often in R7E1 if she spawns anywhere outside of A in her zone

[honest summit]

I remember Hearing the explaination that the Zone Has a Lot of tight Corners, and when the Game tries to respawn it, it can rotate enemies slightly, and If that causes her to Clip into a Wall or Something it cancels the spawning

but it doesnt sound plausible since she does not respawn even if she was in the open

[honest summit]

its not tied to the room either, it can also happen if she is in A

[past vessel]

This is the clincher, yeah

[past vessel]

Did not know this part

[warm bronze]

I have a few questions regarding destination and a few of the extended r6 levels
particularly, in AX we go to Alpha three I believe, then in BX we need to download genome data from A%"1?P4 F+A n a symbol I aint got on my keyboard
obviously its Alpha F--- but I'm curious as to whether you guys think its Alpha Four or Alpha Five, but also are the naming conventions stations/bases on the Alpha planet wherever that is?
Cuz I was looking at photos of alpha three and what i was assuming to be alpha four n I have a photo of a large fan on A3 and the one up top in A4.

basically: what is the alpha # naming convention all about, and are Alpha Three and Alpha Four basically the same location

[past vessel]

I believe Frostty knows this one

[royal crow]

We never go to alpha 4

R6B1/R7E1: Alpha two
R6CX/R6AX: Alpha three
R6D1/R6C1: Alpha one
R7C2: Alpha six

Also the "alpha bases" were outposts made by other investigation teams when they were exploring Destination.

Before everything went to sht

[warm bronze]

ah, gotcha!

[raw terrace]

w wroong one

:3

wrong channel

[runic shell]

mb

[past vessel]

Add R6C1 as Alpha One, and change R6B2 to R6B1

And R7E1 as Alpha Two

The other Alpha I’m wondering about is R8B2

R8E2 I also think is Alpha One

[royal crow]

Fixed, now I guess you could use it as a copypasta in the future

[royal crow]

I don't remember this one

[blissful kraken]

corrupt scan teleport in reactor

[royal crow]

Can someone check which alpha is it?

[vagrant forum]

destination was already compromised by namv & parasite right

[raw terrace]

r7b3 i believe

[royal crow]

I don't remember that one either lol

[raw terrace]

the krakn tile in e2 was like a big barrel wasnt it

[past vessel]

R7B3 is just a cave

[past vessel]

Yes, it's Alpha One merged into the Complex

[raw terrace]

same as r8e2 tp isnt it?

ccorrup scan

[royal crow]

OH

Yeah i see now

[past vessel]

yes, the corrupt scan is just a TP to a cave arena

you don't actually warp to Alpha One in R8E2, it's just part of the complex due to the merging

R8B2 shows us the correct pronounciation of Cretasium 77a

It's creh-tay-see-um as Schaeffer says it

R8B2 is a destroyed version of Alpha Three

The crane has collapsed into the megavent looking fan off the cliff edge, but the rest of the outpost camp is the same

R6CX is still Alpha Three it looks like to me-- but the bottom underneath the crane off the cliff

it's all destroyed come R8B2, and this destroyed silo is where the Kraken rises out of during this mission

[eternal talon]

As far as I was told, it is basically one of those giant tubes from the dig site tileset... the ones you walk through occasionally? Just scaled up 9,000,000x and rotated to sit vertical

[royal crow]

Lol

That's actually very clever

[eternal talon]

I don't have a picture of it so cant say for certain

[honest summit]

Can confirm, it does Look pretty goofy

[bleak skiff]

does anyone here know how the secondary of r8a2 fits in with the general lore of the game or how it can be explained overall?

[past vessel]

Not canon. A “what if” dream scenario. It’s impossible to access under normal circumstances

The OG and ALT team don’t make contact until R8C1

[bleak skiff]

so it technically does not exist physically if its a dream / nightmare?

[ionic dune]

its more of a nightmare than actually existing

essentially "what if they took a wrong turn"

[bleak skiff]

does it at least make any sense regarding the lore from dr. hemmerstein and all that?

cause its apparently his creature study or something like that

[past vessel]

It’s the same dialogue as the tutorial

just under very different circumstances

[bleak skiff]

okay thx

also for r8b4 is the main or secondary canon? Technically its the same result but in one case Schaeffer is the one to cause the meltdown instead of the prisoners

[past vessel]

@eternal talon will be able to answer this one better

It’s “canon” by technicality either which way you slice it, the meltdown happens regardless of who does it

Personally? If Schaeffer was able to do it all along instantly and remotely why request to have us do it

[bleak skiff]

it was probably still difficulty / risky for him to do it himself since the secondary was actually quite hard and I assume he had to do something similar and just tried to avoid that to keep himself safe

cause it was never specified how exactly he triggered it

[past vessel]

If you skip Secondary, he says “fine, I’ll do it myself” and immediately triggers the fuel rods lowering and subsequently the Main alarm plays. But you can go wander back over and see that the bulkhead is still sealed. He doesn’t have to confirm the sequence afterwards unlike when we do it, otherwise there’d be a surge alarm active locally. He did it remotely, and instantly

And no combat/gunfire is heard from his end either

[honest summit]

Pretty Sure the normal Tutorial does Not mention Hammerstein and is more focused on KSO eval

[past vessel]

Hm, I will go check

[past vessel]

its a combo of both of these two half pipes

[past vessel]

Subject T-0000 has arrived. (Subtitles are incorrect)

Objectives are displayed in the top left corner of your BIOCOM visor. Proceed.

Subject must proceed.

Signs on walls establish current location.

Text in the top left corner indicates that the door provides passage to the specified zone.

Security doors require a bioscan. Pull the lever to commence the scan.

Stand inside the hologram.

This door requires a keycard. Locate a computer terminal to pinpoint keycard.

At the terminal, use the Keycard ID and the PING command to pinpoint the keycard. (Subtitles are incorrect here)

The green symbol indicates an objective stack checkpoint has been reached. Subject, congratulations.

Approaching hostile entities. Subject must observe stealth protocols. Stay low, turn flashlight off. When hostile glows or pulsates, stand still.

Eliminate hostile entitity using melee weapon. Hold weapon tightly to charge a heavy blow.

The threat ahead exceeds subject capabilities. Observe evasion protocols. Proceed with caution.

Use doors to secure vulnerable positions. Close the door.

Subject must return to the main path.

Resources in the theatre of operations may be limited. Scan your locations thoroughly, and resupply where possible. Subject is recommended to take ammunition out of the ammunition pack and reload firearms.

This door has an alarm. Prepare for combat before pulling the lever.

Warning! Imminent combat threat. Opening this door will trigger an alarm. Multiple hostile entities will be released and continue to assault the subject while the alarm is active. Remain calm, and deactivate the alarm. No additional help will be provided during this exercise.

This threat exceeds subject capabilities. Proceed to the extraction point immediately.

R8A2 Secondary:

Welcome. You have been selected as incentives for Dr. Hammerstein’s creature activity study. Please proceed.

Security doors require a bioscan. A successful bioscan does not require a living incentive. However, you may pull the lever to proceed.

The incentive has opened the door.

Eliminate hostile entity using melee weapon. Hold weapon tightly to charge a heavy blow.

Several hostile entities have been placed before the incentive.

Dr. Hammerstein appreciates your sacrifice and commitment to Project Insight.

Your continuing existence is providing valuable datapoints to Project Insight. Please open the door to complete your contribution.

Your survival depends upon immediate extraction. Please enter the bioscan to initiate mere simulated survival. 

You have reached the end of the creature activity study. Dr. Hammerstein thanks you for your participation. Your sacrifice ensures his continued success as the leader of Project Insight.

If you wish to congratulate yourselves on a job well done, you should do so now.```

[thin surge]

Any word on if the wiki will fix the large amount of missing dialog for R8B4-E2?

[past vessel]

These would go on the logs page, correct?

I can transcript them

[thin surge]

I dont need them, I got them practically memorized but I just noticed thay they were missing again.

[past vessel]

R8B4 is the interesting one because there’s alternate dialogue that makes it such that you never hear some if you never do secondary

Given the contextual tone of the start of R8C2 compared to how much more calm Schaeffer is, I almost feel like just R8B4 Main is the canon

It’s the grey area level

[past vessel]

This is a deep lore question:

Because Log 000-000-000 does NOT contain the membrane data of Rundown 8 from the Project Insight Archive Key, surely these records have to be incomplete, right?

and are from ultimately an earlier status report

[ionic dune]

As someone who just recently read thru the log idk

[severe fulcrum]

perhaps the archives are incomplete

[eternal talon]

this isn't something gtfo specific, so take this with a massive grain of salt,

but according to world line theory, there'd be a practically infinite number of universes.

good luck fitting that into a log.

the records being incomplete is a fact.

even deciding to make a record or not... makes more worldlines because of those choices/variances in decision

in addition, R8 is not normal

its a spaghettified mess of about a dozen different worldlines.

it's a miracle the multiverse doesn't just blue-screen

[past vessel]

not to mention, R2 is a fair bit long ways away from R8

so the statuses would be not up to date either

[eternal talon]

consider alpha one underground in garganta.

on earth.

not on destination.

even between worldlines, that is light years of distance.

how much of space is empty?

even a single grain of sand being replaced with the center of a star or part of a black hole from god knows where would be catastrophic

its near unimaginable the chaos on the surface

space being a vaccumm... each instance of even air being replaced would cause a small explosion just from the void being rapidly filled immediately after by the surrounding atmosphere

its best not to think about it imo.

the fact that we only hear a couple explosions/collapses during r8?

is nothing short of a miracle

earth might as well could have just poofed out of existence, being replaced by space in its entirety.

collector technology is fucking terrifying.

and these are the EXILES

imagine a proper, actual, collector civilization

We have been in exile for 2-point zero-6-6-3-8-8-8-5-2 times 10 to the power 15 Seconds. We have been waiting.

when you exile someone, you don't generally give them weapons or material such that they could attack you back

that in and of itself tells us the vessel... its weapon system--everything (at a temperature that was only thought to have occurred during the Big Bang.) they don't consider a threat

monkeys looking at a monolith.

its incomprehensible

the greater collector species would be beyond dyson sphere level.

[past vessel]

you know what's a bit silly about this as well, spatially speaking it BARELY misses R8E1 I believe-- like other side of the wall off the edge of the bridge tiles before the checkpoint would be the Kraken arena. But I don't think you're even supposed to see that in normal gameplay by any stretch so it's fine

[eternal talon]

utter statistical chaos.

[past vessel]

R8E1 is on the same floor, adjacent to KDS Deep as R5E1. And then R8E2 is directly UNDER KDS Deep as R5E1

which gets a bit dicey when it comes to the far zones with the reactor as Secondary. It's a wild, chaotic insight into the true stacking nature of the complex

[eternal talon]

its possible that parts of it are just fucking gone (r5e1) at this point

additionally...

we could probably overlay the maps together

using the vault as the centerpoint

to see where they hit/overlap

though... given the time between r5e1 and r8e1/e2,

(i mean development/irl time here)

10cc might not have...

you know, it might be a bit fucked.

it wouldn't surprise me.

[vagrant forum]

so we know how some major levels are positioned relative to eachother because kds deep is very important

do we have any reference on any other levels?

i know some other r8 missions we get info because they pass through the same zones

[raw terrace]

mostly only on r8 ngl
b2/b3, c1/c2, d2/a2/a1

and r5d1/r1d1 i guess

even if the tiles r different sommehow

oh beta and r3c1

[past vessel]

The R8A1/R8A2/R8D2 situation is the most unique of the bunch. All 3 of them take place on the same floor. R8A1 and R8A2 only share the same zones as the gardens tile where you can look up and see basically a mirror of the lower half. The actual doors connecting the two levels mutually is in emergency lockdown in both levels

R8D2 on the other hand is only sharing Z51 with R8A2 (the zone where you run the terminal command to lower the cooling rods is the same exact terminal used in R8D2 to drain the reservoir)

And then you can stack on a fourth to this by technicality; R8D1 is just underneath all three of those missions by ~23 meters in drop cage depth and we know they’re absolutely close because ALT Schaeffer goes to the upper floor where the events of R8D2 occur

[tidal minnow]

where does the r8a1 door connect with a2

[past vessel]

Zone 67/Zone 68

[tidal minnow]

i think you could probably add c2 and e2 as the team is going to them without the elevators lore wise i believe

theres ~150m between all of them actually

[past vessel]

R8B4: 1143m
R8C1/R8C2: 1364m
R8D2: 1254m
R8E2: 1004m

Yeah that’s a bit far unfort

[tidal minnow]

wonder how they fare in that timeframe and how long it is

[past vessel]

I have to imagine it’s quite shortly afterwards give the whole meltdown thing

I really enjoy visualizing and putting perspective on missions like this in ways you typically don’t see or really think about much in normal gameplay

The most obvious “this is on the same floor” is probably R8C1/R8C2 because it’s the first time both teams talk to each other

[tidal minnow]

could be cool to combine the maps

[past vessel]

yeah I think that’d be good for the ones where we know they’re on same floor/directly on top of another mission, can look into that

[tidal minnow]

i think itd just be r8a1, r8a2, r8d2 along with r8e1, r8e2, and maybe r5e1

r5e1 deep and r8 deep are the same zone right

[bleak skiff]

is there an explanation on how the kraken in r8e2 ended up in the complex? cause before that they were only seen after teleporting

[ionic dune]

Iirc we teleport the kraken or smth like that (not entirely sure though so take this with a grain of salt)

[thin surge]

Due to the dementions collapsing in of eachother from repeated misuse of the teleportation tech, the Kracken was likely brought into the complex at the time of R8B2. Outside speculation however it's not outright said.

[royal crow]

Spaghettification of multiple worldlines does funny stuff

[thin surge]

Working on more horse pics, the pool has dried up as of recent

[plush nest]

That’s terrifying

[severe fulcrum]

they would be beyond the fucking universe

if they really were exiles in that sense of the word

I mean they're pretty close anyways

wait... the time stated by that unit, put into years, is about 65 million
so when they crashed (iirc)

they were either "exiled" and launched straight into a planet
or.. idk

[royal crow]

They were exiled
Funny sleeper outbreak in their own ship
Crashed into earth
Wiped out the dinosaurs

[severe fulcrum]

so they were exiled to try and contain the outbreak?

and if so wouldn't it be better to fly them into a star or smth

[royal crow]

We don't know

They never said why where they exiled

[severe fulcrum]

is it possible that first they crashed on accident
(I assume no since they would have to be stupid)

[royal crow]

The most realistic theory is that they made NAM-V as a biological weapon and then were exiled from their species because of this

Since some of the ingame logs talk about how Nam-V is designed as a biological weapon of mass destruction

[severe fulcrum]

I mean yeah it is pretty fucked

but I feel like this is kind of a bold statement

[cold sphinx]

me when alexo keeps rambling about a plot hole

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1363703959596040192/1410403663998095450/attachment.gif

[royal crow]

Good morning old man

It's like 9PM for you, go to sleep before you hurt your back

[cold sphinx]

erm its actally evening

[royal crow]

I do not care

[cold sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/scp-gif-16108160277186701218

[royal crow]

[cold sphinx]

yea u do

you always come back

after everthing

[royal crow]

I c*m back *

[cold sphinx]

its still you

[honest summit]

@cold sphinx being active for more than one evening?

impossible

[cold sphinx]

ye

wana join?

[honest summit]

[cold sphinx]

i accidentally rage baited @fathom moon i think

i was saying "pipedown lil bro" to the chargers

im so sorry that got him

[royal crow]

Gay

[honest summit]

holy. Linking facebook to your discord is some real balls

[cold sphinx]

real

[nimble saddle]

I haven't seen you play GTFO in a while Kaiser

[fathom moon]

huh lmao

[cold sphinx]

did i?

[ionic dune]

LF3 R5C3 https://discord.gg/VMCWHWtk

[fathom moon]

lol i leave cause i need to go and play a game with other people and someone called me in discord hahaha

[cold sphinx]

ohhhhhhhhhhh ok

[honest summit]

.t lfg

[ruby lake]

Hello! If you are unaware, we have Looking For Group (LFG) channels to help users group up and play the game. They are located here: #lfg-north-america / #lfg-latin-america / #lfg-eastern-europe / #lfg-western-europe / #lfg-asia / #lfg-oceania / #lfg-africa / #lfg-beginners / #lfg-middle-east.

If you are unsure of how to create or join a lobby, please see the instructions here: #how-to-matchmake.

[ionic dune]

i really dont wanna pub 😭

pubbing has made me not play this game

kinda brazy

[honest summit]

Sounds Like a Skill issue

[ionic dune]

it is

[fathom moon]

it was a tournament i had to attend l4d2 tournament hahahaha

[cold sphinx]

cool

[royal crow]

Brazy? Is this a new lingo I'm not aware of?

[ionic dune]

its like 2022 lingo or somewhere like that

[honest summit]

🅱️ razy

[royal crow]

Damn

You are old

[ionic dune]

A2A plz plz plz pub this level with me

[ionic dune]

im under the average

i think

[royal crow]

Hell no

[ionic dune]

😔

[fathom moon]

can someone help me finish r4 c2?

[royal crow]

Yeah I'm older than you

[ionic dune]

unc

[fathom moon]

overload and everything

[ionic dune]

whats the objectives?

forgor the level

[fathom moon]

get the samples

15 of them

were on the complex

then secondary

we get the id

theres gonna be 3 class surge alarm

2 of them are resources

and then the overload idk what we do there

i never got past overload

[honest summit]

watermelon

that starts the error

[ionic dune]

if its the one im thinking of i dont want to mb

[royal crow]

LOL

[ionic dune]

yea no i dont have the energy for that level lol

[fathom moon]

its pabulum hahaha

[past vessel]

It’s the one where you took more fall damage than damage from enemies

[royal crow]

I need to see that run

[honest summit]

ngl sounds about right

[past vessel]

It was the run where I realized you never give moth med except during an alarm/reactor

[ionic dune]

common knowledge

[past vessel]

@eternal talon What is the correct spelling for Woods' first name?

[raw terrace]

holy shit dont say i got it

abeo dauda, frank bishop...

fuck

no i dont remember it kdmskd

ohh Isaiah woods

smh

and Aiden hackett :3

[past vessel]

Yeah so here's the problem with that

Every entry in 000-000-000 spells it Isiah

[raw terrace]

isiah woos

:3

silly devs

[raw terrace]

even the complex masters and dreyfus couldnt with spelling

[past vessel]

It is supposed to be Isaiah Woods, right?

because of this

https://gtfothegame.com/prisoners

spells it as Isaiah Woods

[royal crow]

Isiah is probably the pronunciation and Isaiah the actual name

[raw terrace]

i thought u pronounced isaiah as it reads

nevermind

i was wrong

[past vessel]

it's pronounced "Eye-zay-ee-uh"

[royal crow]

Yeah

Isiah

[past vessel]

checking for regional alt spellings...

[past vessel]

This doesn't work phonetically, as far as I can tell, with the pronounciation

[royal crow]

A lot of names don't work phonetically

[past vessel]

I was blown away when I found out the US/UK pronunciation of the name "Chloe" goes from "cloh-ee" to "cloh"

[royal crow]

Cloh

[past vessel]

drop a whole syllable

[raw terrace]

clo

:3

[past vessel]

Ah OK I found it

Isaiah is the traditional Hebrew spelling, most known
Isiah is pronounced either in the same way or "I-zy-uh", spelling appears to be an uncommon US spelling

A couple of real world American athletes bear that second spelling

I should probably add this to Woods wiki page

Both are correct, but the latter is far more uncommon

[hard linden]

I didn't find anything

[copper pine]

Sean

[honest summit]

"not every story has to have significance, ya know? Sometimes uhh, you know, sometimes a story is just a story. You try to read into every little thing and find meaning in everything anyone says, you’ll just drive yourself crazy"

[eternal talon]

https://tenor.com/view/outer-wilds-echoes-of-the-eye-eote-swagguy47-spoilers-gif-23315210

Missing information doesn't mean lack of information. Just because we haven't been able to solve it doesn't mean that it is nothing.

Why else would it be a log? Genuinely.

You can't even argue it's there to set a scene because of how seperate the logs are from the gameplay, and placed in seemingly random order.

I'm confident that eventually, someone will solve it. It is the literal last thing left in gtfo for us as a community to solve, that potentially can be solved

[next panther]

https://tenor.com/view/outer-wilds-echoes-of-the-eye-eote-spoilers-prisoner-gif-27048450

[eternal talon]

We've got tons of plot holes in the logs sure, but unless 10cc just completely cocked this one up, if should be solvable

[eternal talon]

https://tenor.com/view/outer-wilds-owlk-owlks-dance-owlk-hooters-gif-27636129

Outer wilds is truly incredible.

I'm glad you also enjoy it, frosty with one t.

@dull crest can you verify for us (not asking you to give us the answer to it—just if there IS an answer) if there is actually a solution intended to this log?

#gtfo-lore message

I forget where it is in game... alt://r1? @past vessel

[past vessel]

ALT R1B2

in the refinery hallway before reaching the hub leading to both HSU zones

[eternal talon]

I know it's the one terminal in a really weird corner that you'd otherwise never notice

[past vessel]

yep

[royal crow]

At this point I wouldn't be surprised if the devs themselves forgot about the solution

[eternal talon]

Well no, but they should know if there IS one

And if there is, then it can simply be down to brute force even if the intended solution is lost.

For whoever on the lore team made that log surely they'd know if it has meaning or if it's just babble, even if they themselves don't know what the meaning is

It'd to do with how they were instructed to create the log in that case, surely

In other news, mire, how is progress coming along on the Destination page rewrite?

[dull crest]

What is the question exactly?

[royal crow]

@dull crest is about this log

We are curious if it has a solution

[next panther]

They are wondering if they should spend 6000 hours bashing their heads against a wall trying to figure it out or if theres nothing to it

[royal crow]

Pretty much

[eternal talon]

nailed it like the romans

[ionic dune]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

[next panther]

nailed it like ur mum

[past vessel]

It was mentioned a few years ago in here but I will iterate on it: Plant Samples are Kovac Defense Services on their label, mispelled as Kovak. I have to presume their purpose is for HSU management, given R7A1

[royal crow]

Dumbass got hacked

[next panther]

who

[royal crow]

U

Jk

It was a random user posting one of those Musk giving 2500 USD scam

[past vessel]

Which mission comms line up again? R8B2 and R8A2 Main or R8B3 Main?

It isn't R8B1 that lines up, I don't think

[thin surge]

In 8B2 you can hear the warning from the end of 8B3 main (implying that the 3rd data cube brings you to a point in the future) . this is also backed up by you hearing the end audio for 8B2 midway through 8B3 (the 4th data cube brings you back into the past slightly)

time travel and such is supported by the Dr. Stokes Super position log that discusses this as a possibility for how the MWP, and in turn the data cubes, work

@past vessel (just forgot to hit reply)

[past vessel]

Thank you, this will be fun to chronicle on wiki lol

by time relatively, we practically never spend more than a matter of seconds in Destination for how someone back in The Complex would notice it, due to time passing 85x faster on Destination

[thin surge]

We don't go to destination though, its unclear but it could be the nightmare dimension due to them first appearing there

Plus going forward in time to going back could be explained by the super position explanation since we weren't directly controlling where (and with Schaeffer's voiceline) and when we were going

[past vessel]

in R8B2 Sec? That's the top portion of the Alpha Three camp. But you are right, there are Nightmare Strikers that attack during the Kraken fight

[thin surge]

I messed up my thought lol, In R8B1 we hear the end of B3, no time travel funkyness, End of B3 we hear B2 again, not time travel funkyness mb

[raw terrace]

at the middle of b3 we hear the end of b2, at the end of b3 we hearr the ending of b1

so

something is funk there

[past vessel]

I’ll go revisit those levels and chronicle them like I did tutorial dialogue

[honest summit]

https://youtu.be/mlIqZlz_HCM?si=qHiZsdIsqhAddpU_
https://youtu.be/WpAJDfxDwU0?si=LZvQgCPMUb065zpg
https://youtu.be/CUtCxEW5fB4?si=sXUvg58tSM5x9wLT

3rd one is used on the Bridge after the apex door in B3 and 1st one is reused after finishing the uplink

[sullen pecan]

I surely remember there is bodies spawning in R8B2 of our team being dead(from other dimensions?)/ But last time when we were in R8B2 there was no bodies spawned and I was dissapointed because of how important it is to witness them when you go through it the first time(i was there with newbies friends). Is there any reason or action to spawn them or is it just rundom?

[past vessel]

You can see them in R8A1 and some other places. You can actually see dead bodies of us as early as R6CX, and by the time of R8 there are many dimensions beyond even OG and ALT coming together in singularity and you can see these dead bodies throughout R8

They are also seen in R8D1

I would have to double check R8B2 specifically though

[sullen pecan]

So they are rundom spawn

?

[past vessel]

no, they are static game objects guaranteed to be there

R8B2 mainly has corpses of sleepers and nightmare esque beings

I was the one to check and find the Nightmare Baby Striker is the one to be found in R8B1 before eventually being encountered in R8A2

I just wasn't looking for corpses of us

[sullen pecan]

So maybe then I just forgot where they need to be. But unfortunately there were none but I totally remember when I was playing it the first time I found bodies but this time there were none

[past vessel]

I can get back to you on this, can check in-game in a little while and fly around looking for them

I will find them if they are there

[sullen pecan]

Or really? Thats something new to know

[past vessel]

yeah the curled up soccer/football sized curled up corpses on the floor of R8B2, there's a few of them and they are dormant Nightmare Baby Strikers

[sullen pecan]

It would be very cool. I would be very thankful to just know where they are to properly carry my friends newbies through main missions

[past vessel]

I can also tell you the balls on the ceiling of R8B2 are dormant parasite nests lol

basically beehives equivalent more or less

[sullen pecan]

Really? Lmao

[past vessel]

We had a discussion about the hanging corpses as well. It is notable that every single enemy except Flyer variants and Nightmares can be found in zones with Cocoons, and those hanging corpses sure look like a nightmare version of them

[past vessel]

yeah, Parasites are a cut enemy from R8 but they are in the game files. They would come out of these nests and latch onto prisoners, we dont know much else about them

[royal crow]

Weird

The bodies are static

They should be in the big room

[past vessel]

like the big room shortly after teleporting to nightmare dimension?

[royal crow]

In the room where you do terminals

And defend against 3-4 different directions

[sullen pecan]

Damn that would be very cool I wonder why they removed them. I always wondered why they were lit up in thermal and know I know xd

[past vessel]

There are several cut enemies with remnants like this

are you aware of the R5A2 OVL siren scream

[sullen pecan]

Can it be because of mods? We use MTFO to stabilize or connection because of somehow it fixes it

[royal crow]

No

[sullen pecan]

.>

[royal crow]

Mods don't mess with props

[sullen pecan]

What is this?

[royal crow]

You probably missed them

[sullen pecan]

We looked everywhere. There were none of them(

[royal crow]

That sucks

[sullen pecan]

Oh. My. God.

[past vessel]

Siren is another cut enemy and that scream is the only place you hear it still in vanilla

[sullen pecan]

yeah I was VERY dissapointed( And we came back again to the mission and again there were none bodies(

[royal crow]

Do you have a picture of the room?

[sullen pecan]

You mean with room with terminals where you teleport severals times?

[past vessel]

Oh my bad I was referring to R8B1

silly me

[royal crow]

Mhm

The square room

[past vessel]

R8B2 is weird because it doesn't actually put you in the same instance

it kinda has a stack on top of itself

[royal crow]

There should be a woods and Hackett in there lying around

[past vessel]

yeah

[royal crow]

Funny game dev stuff

[past vessel]

yeah they basically duplicate the tile instead of changing the old one lol

[sullen pecan]

Yeah I mean the same thing. I surely remember them when I was doing it my first time

[past vessel]

for gameplay/lore purposes they should be considered the game

in terms of game dev it gets really silly

oh pablex did I tell you I found what looks to be another Alpha Camp way OOB in R8B2

[sullen pecan]

What does it mean?

[past vessel]

another version of the tile above it

[royal crow]

Another?

[royal crow]

Wtf

I didn't see that last time I was OOB in that level

[past vessel]

this is off the side of the cliff behind the broken fan where the kraken spawns in Alpha Three behind the rocky cliff

it does not match any other Alpha Camp

at first I thought it was Alpha Six but it isn't

this is alpha six

[royal crow]

Probably some cut content

A small open world Destination level would have been cool tbh

But performance already tanks in Destination bad

[past vessel]

probably either what was supposed to be Alpha Four or Alpha Five

no way to confirm, but it's out there

Found the bodies

they are in the sandy version of the room

not the default version of the room

[honest summit]

It does look like R7E1. Is it Alpha 6 over there?

[past vessel]

R7E1 is Alpha Two

[honest summit]

it is very close to it, just covered in sand

[past vessel]

It's closer but not quite. The hut on the left doesn't lead to a non-grated floor unlike Alpha Two, which is all grates aside that one part covered in sand down the central stairs

Neither Alpha Two or Alpha Six use the flooring pattern seen in that one OOB of R8B2, that's what I'm trying to find

[honest summit]

this one looks like the one

just missing some of the solar pannels

it even has that lift shaft in the back

what was R7C2 again?

[past vessel]

that's Alpha Six

it's what I originally thought it was too

but it also lacks the flooring pattern seen in that OOB one

Alpha One does use this pattern on the ceiling

[honest summit]

mmm

[past vessel]

so it's valid, but it's also not Alpha One, the layout is not remotely similar

[eternal talon]

Reminder: because none of this is visible in-game without exploits/mods, it isn't canon.

Same goes with the "parasite" thing you mentioned earlier.

Also, btw, SUPER misleading given parasitidae garganta. Cut content isn't canon and should be clearly labeled.

I'd say it's a fair criticism for outsiders to consider posts written by you at this point to be from an informed standpoint

The same as me.

[eternal talon]

This line here specifically.

Unless nakazevatel was in the know (and I don't know this person—they very well could be) they would most likely assume you are talking about the parasite and not cut content that very few know exist.

I know I myself immediately assumed you were talking about parasitidae.

[past vessel]

It is visible without mods. You just immediately turn around at the cave arena after doing the 1st of the 3 termials, and look through here

As for the Parasite Nests, I'll loop @sullen pecan back in: the reason I know that is because of the game object name. It is the same method by how I got to know exactly what type of equipment is used in the Labs environment under the Aelfo name (they do the various lab equipment for the most part).

It is never referred to in any logs or by the characters in normal gameplay. We know a lot of the objects are dormant/dead though and they show up on thermals, so it does pose at least some small warranted discussion since it sure looks like an enemy waiting to pop out but it doesn't, in a quite literal sense in the case of the Nightmare Baby Striker. Please do take it with a grain of salt, since it does reach into speculation on cut content because so many canonical elements are part of cut content lurking under the surface

UPDATE: Parasite Nests are referred to in the sound files, the asset is called tentacle_base.

[sullen pecan]

This is in R8B2? Cant really understand what area is this

[royal crow]

The big room where you do terminals but the sand version

[sullen pecan]

Unfortunately lost the point of all this but I Im just glad Im not the only one who noticed this when I was olaying it my first time😅 I remember we were really scared and confused when we first time teleported in R8E1 and there were that oarasites from the ceiling and I pointed that they are lit up in thermal. Despite the fact that they do nothing but they really messed us up first time when we were scared to death to stand up or to take steps somewhere I remember that clearly) And also it is always cool to speculate it can go really interesting sometimes even if there is no point of it its just fun)

[sullen pecan]

Now I feel bad because I watch at this screenshot and getting the feeling Im just dumb and missed the area TWO times when was searching the room😓 Might really just be my bad attention

[royal crow]

Nah dw

I also didn't notice the first couple times until someone pointed it out in here

Usually you won't be paying attention to the ground when fighting for your life lol

[sullen pecan]

Oh wait so is it like after the last third terminal or after first/second terminal room?

Because we were trying to find it at the end when terminals were done. But there is breaks between terminals activation damn I really needed to try maximize it. Can be just really my bad in that moment and not the glitch in game or something

[regal olive]

so, what was the warden actually doing all this time?

r8 shows us that in the end it tried to save as many humans as possible by teleporting them into the new dimension

but why did we have to spend 3 whole rundowns making it a conduit for that?

the plan to GTFO seems to have worked fine without a working condiut

[raw terrace]

it seemingly needed the conduit to communicate its plan- it needed a human work force of some kind, as when OG r6 chafi encounters the conduit and kills it, the warden goes to make a new one

meanwhile alt just skips to the tp plan

chafi was somehow important for the plan

[regal olive]

why would it need a conduit to communicate in a facility full of speakers

there has to have been a better way right?

maybe just send KSOs as people and instruct them on what to say

they wont mind

[raw terrace]

to communicate uhhhh not rlly?
as "warden" it is purely a virus of the BIOCOM system
also im pretty sure the mind control of KSOs is more of mental manipulation tactics, u know- making the subject ddo what u say convincing them, but its still not perfect

chafi broke off control- as we did in OG

so maybe it wasnt safe enough

especially for someone as... volatile as schaeffer

[regal olive]

yeah but what i mean is that if the goal of the conduit was simply a vessel to talk to scheaffer and get information across, there has to have been an easier way than growing and entire new human

maybe it was trying to experiment with human growing so that the new dimension could have been repopulated rapidly or something?

[raw terrace]

schaeffer pulled his control chip, i dont think there was many ways to comm aanymmore

[raw terrace]

no, that was KDS deep is for

[regal olive]

say gex

aren't KSOs overwhelmingly men

if not exclusively

the 000 log might actually have info on that who knows

[regal olive]

well if the crappy conduit human was able to find him, why not the trained soldiers that work in groups?

[raw terrace]

tbh i think as chafi, soldiers couldve been volatile
they do what warden asks out of wanting to live, but they even commited suicide mid mission

do u think they wouldve been- calm? seeing a human like chafi unplugged? and chafi maybs wouldve fought back- bit of a gamble

however, clone that u can talk through directly and its made to "die" so u can just get ur point across

[regal olive]

i mean it can't possibly have gone that badly

[ionic dune]

Say Gex

[regal olive]

also why was scheaffer even that important

can't the warden get some previously engineer or smart guy to remove his chip

via order

[raw terrace]

chafiwas a prevously engineer/smart guy

[regal olive]

chafi

:D

[raw terrace]

just in og maybee the warden wasnt expecting to be

beated to ded :3

[raw terrace]

chafi :3

[regal olive]

wild that if he had downloaded instagram we could have saved 3 rundowns from happening

although idk when the plan of "grow baby" started happening

R1's goal is to just get to R2 for some reason

could just be exploration

[raw terrace]

r2 end is the neonate

[[R2E1]]

cmon bot

[amber nimbus]

https://gtfo.wiki.gg/wiki/R2E1

[raw terrace]

thank u

[honest summit]

Shaeffer is Not important for the plan. He is a Potential obstacle that already did Trigger multiple Alarms and put KDS into a lockdown. He is a sly Rat so He Has been avoiding KSOs

[regal olive]

yeah i know

[raw terrace]

thats tru forr the og

[regal olive]

replying to slendo

[honest summit]

Same is for Alt

[raw terrace]

i guess maybe he just was seemedas a thrreat in the OG andthe warden tried to rationalize with it via conduit

[regal olive]

so why all this effort?

[raw terrace]

but

ded

[raw terrace]

mm

wonder why chafi is important enough for the alt warden

[regal olive]

i mean that at what point did the warden go "right, we're growing a human"

when did it start that plan

r1a1?

r2a1?

[raw terrace]

uh we no know, r6 conduit was pre-made

r3 neonate stayed on theeee neothing

maybe r3 allowed conduiti production

we dont kno

[honest summit]

To try and reason. It might use violent KSO, but it still tries to preserve humen

[regal olive]

no what i meant by that question is when did it decide that this was the plan

did it know from the beginning that this was the plan all along or did it stumble upon the opportunity during exploration

[raw terrace]

warden knew about the rise prograam since it just knows about eveerything BIOCOM does probs, but the plan prrobs was mid plans

at the end ithink wardens maiin concern was KDS deep

[regal olive]

we both need a new keyboard lol

[raw terrace]

yes

help

[regal olive]

all the double clicks

[raw terrace]

my e r t i h l keys r broken

kill me

[regal olive]

i usually just slam them and they work again after

[raw terrace]

stupid mac

[regal olive]

it's just dust on the contacts

[raw terrace]

went to phone fuck it

:]

[regal olive]

my keybooard has served me for years and i love it

i will only let it die once it can no longer serve

one of the best purchases ever, typing on it is still very fun and enjoyable

[honest summit]

In R4D2 we See a bunch of conduits piling Up. My theory is that it tried to create some, but due to Project rise being Not completed yet it took it some extra time to improve on the Work so that they dont die that quickly

[regal olive]

hm

you reckon that dababy was used as a clone for all those?

[honest summit]

Maybe thats why we were collecting Data on birthers

[regal olive]

you mean the moms?

[honest summit]

Who Else? Tanks?

🫃

[regal olive]

idk maybe birthers was some kind of experiment that was done before the mess

dauda had his fair share of fun

[thin surge]

we know it created several that interacted with sleepers and got torn apart, as well as at least 1 that was killed by a legion group.

moms and tanks are likely just results of the mutations the virus would cause combined with time or with creatures from other dimensions

[regal olive]

legion group??

[honest summit]

KSOs

[regal olive]

doesn't warden control them?

"yo don't fuckin shoot the guy please"

[thin surge]

yes and no

[regal olive]

it controls the thing that controls them

biocom

[thin surge]

sets the objective stack, but we have logs showing that KSOs dont follow it 100% of the time

[raw terrace]

smh what i said

[honest summit]

They are mindless drones getting Fed with commands

[raw terrace]

biocom is probably working as "realistic" mind control does, basically manipulation that its not failsafe
it works well cuz most KSOs are blank pages, but it still fails ocassionally

even r2c2 is the product of a team doing something dumb

tripping an alarm

[honest summit]

The three Red ? Is probably Warden going "Huh?"

[regal olive]

i wonder how differently things would have gone in GTFO if that one guy didn't escape to florida

[regal olive]

"what the hell are these idiots doing again"

[thin surge]

likely the same just slower spread.

[raw terrace]

uh like the alt probs

[regal olive]

what happened in alt

[raw terrace]

where theres human alive but barely

instead of OG, all ded

[regal olive]

wait was the guy escaping into florida the OG

[thin surge]

wasnt the first with the virus, but jsut the first one to be out of the complex (besides the Mayans) with it

[regal olive]

wait how do you even escape from a complex that in the sea what

i still don't buy the mayans tbh

[raw terrace]

how do people escape prisons in the middle of islands

:[

[honest summit]

dont. they are not for sale

[regal olive]

namv can kill worlds and you mean to tell me that people 5000 years ago just had that disease

and it magically didn't spread everywhere

[thin surge]

the world wasnt as interconnected as it is now

[regal olive]

namv is magic

it spreads through every mean including wildlife

[ionic dune]

generally most diseases didnt spread that much during the myans

[regal olive]

namv is not most diseases

it has an r0 of 13 or something absurd

[honest summit]

Moth was there. He can confirm

[ionic dune]

yep

[ionic dune]

nah kenny was there im just relaying info

[regal olive]

a wolf would just eat the corpses and then spread it

or it would rot into the water source

or maybe just infect the damn trees

namv knows no bounds

weren't there some logs in the complex that said that even with hazmat suits people were getting it

[ionic dune]

didnt they fight it with like magic or smth?

[raw terrace]

how do i tell you that a literal fever was contained in europe and started a massive pandemic in latinoamerica on the times of conquista

thats kinda ur proof right there ksks

[regal olive]

iirc they would send sacrifical warriors against the monsters who would decapitate them and bury their heads in the ground and then the warriors wouldn't return

[regal olive]

namv isn't like these

[thin surge]

only mentions of them we get is that they experienced an earthquake and died likely form the resulting famine and disease spread

[regal olive]

it would just go into the sea and infect the wildlife there and eventually show up everywher

[thin surge]

no mentions of it ever infecting aquatic life so cant say for sure

[regal olive]

we know it can infect animals

i don't think we have a reason to believe it can't get fish

also kraken if that counts for anything although probably not

[thin surge]

we think it can, no log outright confirms it outside speculation

[regal olive]

Dr. truth

that's how he dies

[raw terrace]

kraken is an alien

[ionic dune]

wasnt it a rabid dog?

[thin surge]

Mr. truth only thinks he got it from his dog, not research logs ever mention infection outside of people.

[regal olive]

it was his own dog

[raw terrace]

an alien infected by namv but an alien

[regal olive]

he hadn't seen a human in months but his dog got sick (presumably from namv) and then he also got sick

and started dying

he says "so yeah apparently animals can get it too"

[raw terrace]

didnt he shot his wife on the same argument

[regal olive]

that was earlier

[thin surge]

likely killed her out of delusions from having NAM-V for a while

[regal olive]

no way

it's 2 logs

1 where he kills his wife and the next is when he's sick

and his last one

[raw terrace]

i think namv does infect animals but maybe it dod wipe out a big sector from mexico and died upon the dessert or the mountains- at the end wikdlife does end at some point

mayans are just based like that

[regal olive]

built different

so wife kill is VER-T96-3UN
gets sick in B5R-T76-QLP

[thin surge]

Nam-V isn't just instantly killing you. It can take weeks to do anything outside of hallucinations and body pains. While its possible his dog died from it and that he got it from his dog, the delusions he has earlier, including the increased paranoia are symptoms of NAM-V

[regal olive]

i don't think he would have lasted this long with namv

we don't know the time between these logs but like i think it's relatively clear

what delusions?

[ionic dune]

didnt the delulus make him kill his wife?

[regal olive]

yeah but that was it

no seeing shadows or bugs crawling on his skin

[raw terrace]

the delulus kdmskd

[regal olive]

or even distrust of his dogs

[thin surge]

paranoia around "them" making those close to him turn against him, believing a different date for the earthquake, remembering having met people he has never seen. He likely had NAM-V for a while and jsut because he didnt see bugs under his skin, doenst mean he didnt have it. Edgar Soweta when being interviewed by Dr. Teale recounts seeing something just appear out of the darkness and disappear without a trace, Hammerstein starts distrusting all of project insight (in ALT) after mentioning he has been sick for a long while, and Dr. Teale starts hearing a noises that are not there. The delusions are not all the same for those who get NAM-V

[regal olive]

:I

so you think he had NAMV when he killed his wife?

i assumed it was just loneliness and his general mindset

he was a conspiracy theorist so he would be extremely distrustful as a rule

and in that situation where being with someone infected means certain death

i mean shit man i'd probably do the same

he was mainly driven by just a will to survive more than his love for his wife

It could also have been seen as mercy

[thin surge]

He isn't this paranoid about those closest to him in previous logs and only after having to travel (likely due to KDS intervention) shows any sign of being different. This includes all of the delusions previous mentioned.

[thin surge]

while its unknown what dimension the log is from, R8A2s Mr. Truth log has him trying to justify the killing to himself but believing that he might have been mistaken in the moment of killing her

[regal olive]

oh right that too

we have mr truth logs from both?

[thin surge]

we have Mr. truth logs from at least 5 diferent dimensions

[regal olive]

five what the hell

[thin surge]

OG, ALT, Nightmare, Giant, and 2 logs from unclear dimensions

[past vessel]

yep

OG and ALT are far from the only membranes after all

they're just the 2 membranes we play as in-game for the most part, briefly visiting others

[regal olive]

what is nightmare and giant

[past vessel]

Nightmare is part of the singularity that is R8

[regal olive]

we have logs from the a2 sec?

[past vessel]

no, the Mr Truth Log is in R8A2 Main

[thin surge]

secondary*

[regal olive]

uuh

[past vessel]

it's on the flooded terminal

in Z69

the actual Sec log is a Dauda log

[regal olive]

does the code for a2 sec still change weekly

[thin surge]

its the one taking place in 2056 where he talks about what happened to him in his past and what he'd like to do with the show

[thin surge]

it will for the next couple thousand years, yes

[regal olive]

32 bit integer moment

[past vessel]

OH I'm thinking of R8A1 nvm

R8A2 Sec is correct

[thin surge]

ye

[past vessel]

R8A1 and R8A2's mutual area is a bit odd

[thin surge]

whats your thoughts on Hammerstien's and Andrew Clinton's logs that both happen after they died?

[regal olive]

was was a2 sec exactly

[past vessel]

I genuinely hadn't cause this, when did they die and is it explained by the singularity

[thin surge]

likely just a perspective switch where we don't see what happens to the OG team in that time (likely just them doing the res of the main) and we see what happens to the team in the Nightmare dimension

[regal olive]

what is the nightmare dimension

[past vessel]

A2 Sec is just another bad end really

a "what if"

[regal olive]

they were sent to their deaths by that stupid researcher but after everything was already gone?

like i don't get it

[thin surge]

Clinton dies in October of 2053 during Hammerstein's audio experiment, Hammerstein dies later on while exploring the inner with Nolan Connor

[thin surge]

different dimension and we only get context from the 1 Mr. Truth log set in 2056, way later then when he started his show previously

[regal olive]

so we have no idea what was going on in nightmare dimension

[thin surge]

we have no clue what is happening in nearly every additional dimension outside of OG and ALT

[past vessel]

yep

let me link the text

#gtfo-lore message

look at the difference in dialogue of OG vs Nightmare (R8A2 Secondary)