#gtfo-lore

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valid tendon
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I started with the Wiki, then when 10C did their lore streams a few months back I watched those. In the chat there you mentioned the Lore For Dummies so I came here and read that also. So really just trying to soak it all in

eternal talon
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And you may find the LFDs in the pins of this channel to be more helpful

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Ah

valid tendon
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Well, "all" up until where we're at anyway. Parts of the story have been revealed early since we've jumped around and due to the lore streams, but I don't mind that

eternal talon
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I mean yeah. The LFDs don't cover anything in gameplay.

valid tendon
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Now we're focusing more on playing linearly though before doing R8

eternal talon
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It's all pre-apocalypse

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The multiverse of GTFO is really fucking grim.

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If your universe/worldline gets nam-v, you are just ggs

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It's like the developers wanted to try and 1+ stuff like the Flood from Halo and the Markers from Dead Space.

valid tendon
eternal talon
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Oh, you mean from an IRL sense?

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I mean technically speaking the 16th century mayans somehow managed to beat it back so anything is possible I guess

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It really was capitalistic greed that doomed modern humanity in gtfo

raw terrace
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16th century? cuz like the americas discoverement was in 1530~
the mayas fell as a civilation around 900~

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hum

eternal talon
# raw terrace 16th century? cuz like the americas discoverement was in 1530~ the mayas fell a...

** In the 16th century, the Spanish Empire colonised the Mesoamerican region, and a lengthy series of campaigns saw the fall of Nojpetén, the last Maya city, in 1697.**
from Wikipedia.

**Mambo Media Services search query
Keywords: virus, Mayan, Maya, historic, flea
6,724,158 results returned. Filtered by relevance:

“Where did the Mayans go?” - Our Earth magazine 9/25/43

A new theory regarding the sudden demise of Mayan culture has been presented by Dr. Yvette Hernandez at the Anthropology Forum convention. Dr. Hernandez’s research posits that the Mayans were almost completely wiped out several times by an illness they referred to as “Flea Demons”. Though the interpretation of hieroglyphic stelae leaves much room for interpretation, Dr. Hernandez believes she has discovered conclusive references to mass deaths related to the illness on three separate occasions, right up to the 16th century during the occupation of Mayan territory by the Spanish Conquistadors…

“Superman, Superbug” - Medical Examiner 12/3/44

We’re at war. Right now. All of us. Our entire species. We’ve always been at war, and until recently we’ve been winning the fight. No quarter has been given to our adversary, yet no matter how often we drive the opponent back, they return with greater power and more tactical strength to assault us once again. Who is this arch-nemesis? What has been attacking our species since we first came down from the trees? Who is this enemy we cannot vanquish? Bugs. Bacteria. Viruses. Microorganisms. From the black death, to the Mayan Flea Demons, to Ebola and the SARS Covid outbreaks in the early part of the century, the Superbug always returns stronger and more resilient than before; so, what are we doing to fight them?...**
R5C3 "Superbug" log.

raw terrace
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damn fact checked

eternal talon
valid tendon
honest summit
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Erm aksually Alpha is the Alpha Version of GTFO 🤓

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Beta is Just R1 but incomplete

raw terrace
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t that

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:[

solar nova
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Folks, we need daily discussions in this channel.

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The totalitarian dictator that has taken over the server has already killed spoiler chat and media

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Lore is next.

past vessel
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I have been meaning to circle back around to the lore pages on wiki, did not forget BabyShooter

haughty stag
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Can we trade it in for media?

next panther
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^

solar nova
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I will fight for the lore channel's existence.

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We're talking in right now

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couldn't do that if it weren't around

loud urchin
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there's so much history here

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it's like the united states of america of the gtfo discord

ionic dune
eternal talon
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This channel is a community resource which, let's be honest, is deeply needed given how convoluted the game's story is.

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Even if it isn't actively used it is still a must-have.

ionic dune
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It’s all of these hange wannabe speedrunners that want this channel taken down

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First they got speedrunning taken down now they want this

unique canyon
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gtfo lore is still sacred

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I dont know why you would want it taken away

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gtfo is one of the best story games out there if only you let it be

magic matrix
valid tendon
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I agree as well that this channel is crucial to the community, the lore is so deep in this game and one of my favourite aspects. This is the only channel I visit on this server so I hope it doesn't go away lol

tough wave
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Hey, is there an image of Garganta?

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Like, the whole thing?

vagrant forum
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isnt garganta the size of a town?

tough wave
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I thought it was bigger

vagrant forum
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might be

tough wave
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Much bigger tbh

royal crow
vagrant forum
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not sure how you fit all that into one image

royal crow
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It's an underground complex so

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We don't really have an image

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But that's how big it is

tough wave
# royal crow

Thanks, ig, do you think the best way to show it would be a rundown screen then?

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Like as a conceptualization?

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I'm trying to explain wtf Garganta is to someone who isn't into GTFO rn

ionic dune
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That’s probably how deep it is

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Maybe even more

tough wave
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Thats what, a couple of miles down?

ionic dune
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I believe someone said it was 12x the size of a normal city

ionic dune
tough wave
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Alright so, the best way to really present garganta would be to meld all the rundown images together

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Stacked on top of eachother prolly

ionic dune
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^

vagrant forum
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images of the inside of the levels with the explanation that's its the size it is

ionic dune
tough wave
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Alright cool cool, thank you guys

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Trying to explain GTFO to the uninitiated is fun lmao

ionic dune
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Start with the basics, what we are working towards and who we are guided by

tough wave
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The warden, at first anyway

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Tbh I'm still not entirely solid on what we're working towards but I don't think you should tell me either

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I'm halfway through R5

ionic dune
tough wave
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Thank you tho

ionic dune
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🫡

tough wave
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Hang out here long enough you'll just learn shit

ionic dune
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Yep

vagrant forum
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also a2sec is a different timeline

ionic dune
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Yea

haughty stag
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This vro edit kinda tuff ngl

lilac island
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THAT WAS 9 MONTHS AGO

ionic dune
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Frfr

honest summit
haughty stag
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I have calamity brain rot

loud urchin
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omg is that tedit

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i love tedit

eternal talon
# tough wave I'm trying to explain wtf Garganta is to someone who isn't into GTFO rn

Garganta was originally a mine--and still is on the lower levels. That is what the Dig-Site tileset is.
The entire complex is huuuuuuuuuuuuge. It could house easily hundreds of thousands of employees.
The upper floors are likely all residential, cafeterias, bunkhouses, offices, etc. In the middle levels you have the section of the complex that was militarized; KDS-DEEP, the new headquarters for Kovac Defense Services.
After Santonian began finding alien artifacts, their parent company, Dreyfus, brought in Insight to study them. Insight converted a considerable part of the complex that was mining tunnels into labs. These are your Lab and Datacenter tilesets.
In its prime, it would have been like five or six new yorks, buried underground and bustling.

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sprawling for miles up, down, and across.

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if I had to compare it, i'd say probably something like the mars base in Doom 3. Industrial yet lively, with people trying to live normal lives

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Beneath the complex even farther down is the gargantuan wreckage of the alien space craft.

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that is... i think 2km down.

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The mass extends 2,215 (+/- 372m) meters from apex to nadir. Width estimate is 1,247 meters (+/- 208m).

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here is a picture from farther out.

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raw terrace
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MEXICO, MEXICO

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🎉

vagrant forum
eternal talon
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garganta (the complex itself) goes down roughly 1500 meters total, which is consistent both in logs and in selectable expeditions.

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for layering, i'd say the tiers (A, B, C, D, etc) are misleading. the empty space between them in the rundown screen shouldn't be empty space... it's just artistic license.

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if you go into the menu and start comparing the depths some of the expeditions are listed at... you'll see what i mean

vagrant forum
warm bronze
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does anyone have some kind of transcript for all of the dialogue/recordings in R8A2s secondary?

eternal talon
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Check the log and level section of the wiki.gg

warm bronze
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oh perfect tysm

severe fulcrum
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In some rundowns, both the level projections and.. like, the background-bottom-fog-somethings sometimes are of different colors
is there an actual lore or otheriwse reason for this?

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lower levels of 4.0 and yellowish fog-thing in 7.0 screens

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gray bone
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@eternal talon I don't know if there's anything about this anywhere, would you know?

thin surge
eternal talon
eternal talon
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OGR6 had a blue-ish fog.

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unique canyon
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I'm inclined to believe they are design choices

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R5E1 is located in beige-ish darkness even though R8E1, which takes place in the same lore location, is located in bright blue fog

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Although you could make an argument that the KDS Deep layer was permanently changed when the fog was vented at the end of R5E1

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The rundown mission selection has to be visualized somehow

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in reality you can visit many different locations in a single rundown like the mines, labs, spillways, gardens, etc

severe fulcrum
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like the reddish levels being full of enemies or completely overgrown

tough wave
eternal talon
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no problem. I am always here to help.

rancid holly
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Is there any lore reason or explanation for the sleepers bioluminecense?

eternal talon
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if i had to guess, it probably has something to do with the parasites and how they communicate.

rancid holly
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Ah that would be cool actually

honest summit
copper pine
gray bone
vagrant forum
copper pine
vagrant forum
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ong

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someone gets it

copper pine
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Fr

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Anyways time to eat more glowsticks

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So i can become a living glowstick and make my knife gameplay even more enjoyable

stone harness
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ok so, what are basics of the lore of this game

royal crow
stone harness
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thanks

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the fact that it is a PDF scares me

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oh well

ionic dune
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Is the tutorial canon?

royal crow
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Maybe not for the main characters but other KSOs

copper pine
ionic dune
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Yea like I thought about it and the nightmare path would be best explained if they all went thru the tutorial

plush nest
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I wonder at what level the warden was like “ok that’s not normal” after living through 6 expeditions completing all side objectives

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Or I guess at what point

royal crow
plush nest
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Oh the multiple world lines

royal crow
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We also knew from a long time ago

copper pine
royal crow
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Even before the outbreak

plush nest
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Ya never mind then

royal crow
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Project Insight scouted millions of worldliness and we were always on top

plush nest
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The chosen ones

royal crow
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Pretty much lol

eternal talon
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Any questions the documents don't answer I would be happy to answer here.

eternal talon
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(The first and only time you canonically play as them)

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With 32,000 total KSOs, your KSO is likely assigned to their own quad somewhere or is already dead after the evaluation and during gameplay.

ionic dune
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huh fair enough

eternal talon
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I just think it is a neat bit of trivia.

ionic dune
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yea

eternal talon
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I feel like I'm missing part of the conversation with this

royal crow
eternal talon
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Ah. For that, we genuinely have no idea.

royal crow
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My best guess is that he knew once he took control of biocom

eternal talon
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The greatest of poggers

ionic dune
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og is the one that gets out right?

eternal talon
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Yes.

royal crow
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ALT had a skill issue

ionic dune
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funny how the one team that worked against the warden actually got out

eternal talon
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There is so much I could say... but ultimately, it is the biggest shame we never truly got to learn more/see the collectors physically, or explore the vessel as a tileset.

ionic dune
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rundown 9 surely

royal crow
eternal talon
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We didn't even have definitive proof of their existence until ~r7 iirc. Something that was greatly annoying to me.

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But I will say I was a staunch believer of ancient alien (allen) theory from the start of r6.

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Also in hindsight, I have no clue why nobody noticed the ancient bridges in r6c1.

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Not even myself at the time

honest summit
royal crow
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We were a good resource for them

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He knew what we could do

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That's why he kept sending us over and over again

eternal talon
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I think a counter argument could be made for him sending us on distraction missions Ala r6c3... but then again he could have just expected it to not be a challenge for us

plush nest
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its just a dumb thought

royal crow
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He did sent us on like 10 "suicide" missions

eternal talon
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I'm trying to think... were there any missions it genuinely risked losing us?

honest summit
eternal talon
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Like a destination warp or what have you

royal crow
eternal talon
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Because on destination we are out of range

plush nest
royal crow
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Practically all levels where we get stranded in Destination

plush nest
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what a2 said

eternal talon
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I know r7d2 we are out of range... but by that point we aren't really working for it anymore

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Schaeffer is actively meddling

plush nest
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same with r7e1

royal crow
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We were not working with the Warden by then

ionic dune
royal crow
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R6C1, R7C3, R6CX

plush nest
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r6d4?

royal crow
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That too

plush nest
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or whatever one has the multple dimensions

eternal talon
royal crow
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He sent us there on purpose

plush nest
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anytime we pick up a data cube?

royal crow
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Not like the other times we get sent on destination by accident

eternal talon
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I mean it is a collector after all. It is his tech

royal crow
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Their tech sucks

plush nest
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good point, it could just read where the location is

eternal talon
plush nest
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ape together strong

eternal talon
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Case in point -> the weapons system in the vessel

plush nest
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really hope there is some reference to gtfo in den of wolves or something

royal crow
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Ignoring you know, the fact an entire wing of the complex got sent who knows where

eternal talon
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Insight was losing TONS of equipment to "malfunctions"

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Including at one point an entire wing of their lab

eternal talon
royal crow
eternal talon
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It's impressive that they did what they did... but it was ultimately reckless and had consequences they couldn't forsee

eternal talon
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They've made a true multiverse out of gtfo

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Having one corner be DoW wouldn't be surprising in the least

stone harness
unique canyon
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I'm pretty sure the warden did not realize that the team™ was the perfect team and then put them together

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more like fate pushed them together and then they had to become the perfect team

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we know that biocom could teach KSOs things that they should have had no knowledge of

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like KSOs knowing how to use C-foam despite not previously knowing the tool existed

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or Dauda suddenly being a trained shooter despite being a researcher

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From what I understand a grand majority of the KSOs died in hydrostasis or by other means and the crew is literally just the people who were built different and lived

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They also had no choice but to cooperate and keep going deeper because the world order has collapsed and garganta is one of the last places on earth with survivors

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As they say, work together or die together

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Also someone did mention this

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The warden sees the ksos as expendable and when they return from a mission, they just get sent to the next

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Theres no need to change out the members

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You keep going down the list of ksos who are alive until the objective is done or everyone dies

severe fulcrum
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yeah that's pretty much what happens

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also weren't the other ksos alive, and it's just that the process to wake them up is a bit complicated

unique canyon
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when you enter the hsu in this universe you suffer biological death and later get resuscitated

severe fulcrum
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I mean yeah

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suspended animation or something

past vessel
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@eternal talon I have a lore question surrounding this log from R4A2

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This is Matthew Aaron of the Daylight Mission. We have reached Garganta and have established a base camp on what used to be the sea floor. It's... disconcerting, knowing that the only thing holding back the entire ocean are these concrete walls. It feels like they might cave in at any moment. The entrance to the mine is drill hole into the bedrock. I'm guessing it's about 100 feet across. Looking into the hole is... unnerving, but impressive. None of us are excited about having to go down there. There's a smell coming up from that bottomless black pit. We know what it is, but we're not talking about it. There are 3 freight elevators around the perimeter of the opening. There's also several satellite buildings under the shadow of the sea walls: a triage center, a few military huts and a barracks, security checkpoints around each elevator, an area that looks like holding or containment cells, and storage depots. There's no people here. No bodies, nothing. If they evacuated the facility they left a lot behind - including a fueled Chinook. Captain Puente has stayed up at sea level. He said the men won't come down here. I don't blame them. We haven't found a way through their security systems yet. They're using biometric MFA protocols and multi-tiered network segmentation. It's going to take time to get to their medical records. Everything seems to be controlled by a program or machine called Biocom, but we're struggling to find a way into it. There are a few open areas in the upper levels that are accessible via stairwells. It's possible any survivors went deeper into the facility, but until we get control of the elevators and go down there, there's no way of knowing for sure. We keep hearing what sounds like motors or... winches, maybe? Lots of them. Whatever they are, they move fast. They're active for a few seconds, then silent for a few hours, then they start again. This goes on day and night. I'll report in once I have something more. Message ends.

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This is an incredibly important log to understanding how the facility is built off the coast (I checked, that continental shelf has the ocean <200 meters deep here)

royal crow
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Hmmmm?

past vessel
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My question is: what about all those holes punched through The Complex? How could we explain why the entire ocean hasn't long since completely submerged Garganta?

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Additionally, the wiki has this written down:

The Complex's location was first hinted as 21°08'57"N 89°29'32"W

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This resolves to a forested area approximately 25km inland from the coast

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The actual coordinates should be 21°24′0″N 89°31′0″W

raw terrace
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i believe thats why

past vessel
raw terrace
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i dont remember the log ✨

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frostty will eventually help me on that

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a

past vessel
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So with that in mind, would there be a mainland entrance as well

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I checked the real world area of those coordinates and it's in a forest

royal crow
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They had to start construction somewhere

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Starting IN the ocean would be near impossible

raw terrace
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also i imagine it started on sea water BUT they eventually went below the earth ok the coordinates that were shown
idk howwww realistic that is?

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but considering the complex is like a new york but in depth and witdh, possibly

past vessel
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yeah fair enough

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so those 3 freight elevators mentioned in the log... that would also explain why some expeditions and rundowns would (possibly) be stacked on top of each other/lead to the same areas adjacent, such as R8C1/R8C2 and R5E1/R8E1

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OK, I think I am beginning to see how this all fits together in terms of architecture

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The Complex is very wide

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underneath the seabed and onto mainland

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And then the Daylight Mission logs clearly state they only went down 300m (I'm assuming the seafloor is their 0m and not sea level)

royal crow
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They got cooked by us

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Daylight team had skill issue

past vessel
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I did also check the shallowest depth of the missions we perform in GTFO:
R1A1, at 421m
And the deepest:
R7E1, at 1411m

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KDS Deep is at 984m which surprises me, it's not that close to being the deepest area of The Complex we visit in-game, instead being in a sort of mid-range depth

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As a footnote: I saw a previous discussion in here where the supermajority of The Complex goes down only 1500m, and The Inner is beyond that at the lowest depths, ~4000m at the most. I did see the log saying The Inner consists of 2 sectors

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(this also makes sense because the deeper you dig the temperature gets insane)

raw terrace
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kds is probs MUCH larger than we give it credjt for, r5e1 and r8e1/e2 are just access points

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take that into account

eternal talon
past vessel
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please do point me to the correct log

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🙏

eternal talon
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ALT://R2 21B-789-RD4.LOG

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**D-Lock Block Cipher
alias:int_server.1024_ciph.tier5.med_core/GHammersteinB014.flagged

Dr Hammerstein,

The trace analysis on the residue found in the shafts after the October 12th event has been completed. It was mostly molten rock and metal, the composition of which confirms the blasts were high energy focused QGP streams, at a temperature that was only thought to have occurred during the Big Bang.

According to the BIOCOM navigation data supplied by Mr. Piros, the streams appear to have been deliberately targeted at areas where security operatives were engaged with the creatures during the attack. The QGP streams originated from the Inner but the creatures had by that point overrun much of Garganta, which is why we see such a wide spread of shafts across the facility.

Interestingly, none of the shafts created by the QGP streams caused flooding in the facility. The streams stopped short of the seabed, except for several shafts which penetrated the seabed within the perimeter of the sea walls, so no flooding occurred. This seems unlikely to be a coincidence. Unfortunately, one of the streams did hit the helipad outside hangar 3, which is where Mr Clinton was believed to be. His death would have been instantaneous. The results suggest this was a weapon. Whether it was aimed at us or the creatures is not clear, but it did turn the tide in our favor. Kovac drove the creatures back to the Inner shortly after the blasts (or the creatures retreated voluntarily – we only have a single Kovac report to go by and that paints them as the heroes of the October 12th event).**

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**The trace analysis has left us with more questions than answers.

  1. Who or what fired the streams?

  2. We have created quark-gluon plasma in hadron colliders, but nothing even close to this power or temperature, so how were the QGP streams formed? Is there a machine or artifact we have yet to find?

  3. This level of exotic matter control is beyond our understanding of the physical laws of the universe, so how was the intensity of the sub-atomic streams controlled?

  4. Was the purpose of the streams to kill us, or the creatures? It worked in our favor to control the onslaught, but we lost hundreds of people in the blasts (though some may have been lost or taken by the creatures).

  5. If the purpose of the blasts were to kill the creatures, why? Does something else see them as a threat?

Nolan Connor B229**

eternal talon
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i'll post a pic in a sec...

eternal talon
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(pic 2)

past vessel
eternal talon
past vessel
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To call Garganta "underground" is only partially correct, given all this, because it's also under the seafloor

eternal talon
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i'm sure the blast made getting into the complex far easier... (going straight down a shaft rather than miles and miles of horizontal elevators)

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that's why it has infrastructure built into them

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(expedition start)

past vessel
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On this note, I notice some depths on missions are odd compared to the map of the Rundown

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take for example R5A3, compared to any of the B tiers

eternal talon
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i wouldn't trust the in-game image of the rundown screen.

past vessel
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yeah, thought so

eternal talon
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we actually talked about that the other day.

past vessel
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it's just for visual ease rather than actual cross-section

eternal talon
eternal talon
past vessel
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I should create a list of the expeditions by depth

eternal talon
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lmk if you need anything else.

past vessel
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Will do. I had no idea R4's logs were so rife with critical details, like the R4B2 log talking about how even outside Garganta, there are coastal Santonian camps near Chicxulub and Progreso (the two real world coastal areas named)

eternal talon
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ocean currents are likely the reason why it hit both the UK and the US near the same time

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fuckin fish man

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people get sick with "the stoops" and get sent to the relaxation camps on the surface.

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a lot of... lets just say idiotic decisions doomed humanity in the gtfo universe.

royal crow
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Eh

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I can see that happening in real life

eternal talon
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just stupid.

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i agree, would totally happen irl.

past vessel
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Oh that's right, for posterity, another tidbit that should be added to wiki is that Garganta translates to "Throat" in English

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will add that

eternal talon
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i feel like it's also a pun on "gargantuan"

past vessel
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yeah it's a fantastic name for it honestly

eternal talon
honest summit
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Do we know If its the only structure housing KSOs?

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Like we ourselves are Stored in a structure at the surface

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So there might be the one big KDS Deep and maybe a couple of KDS Not so deeps

ionic dune
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I think you’d have at least one KDS not so deep since we are dropping down after exiting a HSU, is it far fetched to say we are hopping in and out of KDS not so deeps or just one?

severe fulcrum
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I'd say it's (the whole crane/storage thing) either movable or there are multiple

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since at least I think that we actually drop through multiple different shafts

ionic dune
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Thing is we play levels where we run to a diff extract then entrance

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And no way that crane can move that quickly

severe fulcrum
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true

next panther
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There is 100% multiple

elder sable
next panther
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wrong channel dawg

elder sable
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def not

next panther
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my bad king

elder sable
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we adore frosty

next panther
copper pine
ionic dune
royal crow
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Where we get Maddox and Henri

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It's very likely theres more HSU vaults scattered around the complex

eternal talon
eternal talon
ionic dune
eternal talon
eternal talon
eternal talon
severe fulcrum
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I wanted to say that the crane could have issues moving around this quickly but actually

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if they built it with the intention of having it move around it could work

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like on rails or smth

eternal talon
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It's important to remember that there are tons and tons of pits, and none of them are at at the same elevation.

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The weapons system stopped just short of the surface, but the surface of the earth is uneven.

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Some of the pits, notably below the ocean, didn't breach at all

severe fulcrum
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I've only read that short of the seabed, was land also untouched?

eternal talon
severe fulcrum
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I think it says somewhere that some areas on the surface were breached but they were inside some seawalls

eternal talon
#

It mentions none caused flooding. Nothing about other shafts not breaking.

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Besides, that ocean platform only has one hole.

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The daylight team mention it.

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So the others effectively have to be on the mainland

severe fulcrum
#

alright

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daylight took place after garganta was overrun right?

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or like on the verge of collapsing

eternal talon
#

After it had already collapsed.

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Their team was killed by us (yes us)

severe fulcrum
#

like specifically Woods Bishop Dauda and Hackett?

eternal talon
#

So it was after the warden completely took over and thus after the lockdown and thus after the collapse of garganta

eternal talon
severe fulcrum
#

yeah that checks out

past vessel
# eternal talon Yes.

I could add this to the Daylight Mission page, but is there a clarification it was them? I guess all other KSO teams are dead by this point, and that's why we are eventually dispatched to KDS Deep

eternal talon
#

On my phone rn so can't share unfortunately

past vessel
#

I'll go ahead and check R8 logs

eternal talon
#

On the wiki's r8 logs page search for our kso designations with CTRL+F

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It's either r8 or one of the later alt:// rundowns. Shouldn't take long to find

past vessel
#

WKH-N2E-TAZ (R8D1)

PCS alert: unauthorized access logged
ACCESS -BIOCOM -29$525GVTHR2%456FS
WRDN: override
authorized…
connecting...
Instantiating BIOCOM.net(CLI)...
synchronizing...
current time: 14:32:13 06:13:57
idle time: 199 days, 23 hours, 7 minutes, 13 seconds
ready:_
\Root?_
\Root\location data\triangulate\event(unauthorized_access_01ZY33d2)
triangulating...
location established
Initiating bioscan...
12 entities found
assigning resources...

quad B452 assigned: Bishop GO-1395/ Woods F-2056/ Hackett O-4711/ Dauda T-3701

\Root?_
\Root\resources\lib\format
formating resources...
validating stack...
stack is empty.
\Root\resources\ops\stack_update
updating...
GO-1395 status: Seek and Destroy / F-2056 status: Seek and Destroy / O-4711status: Seek and Destroy / T-3701 status: Seek and Destroy
executing mission...

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found it

eternal talon
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Yep

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I have so much of this lore completely and totally memorized 😭

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Half a decade of effort will do that

past vessel
#

That's good because I want to triple check before updating lore pages. They're in real need of updates. My targets now are Daylight Mission, The Complex, and The Warden.

eternal talon
#

Missions like r6c3 we are literally being a distraction for another team

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And r6's extention explicitly mentions other teams iirc

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Granted, a LOT of the total 32,000 are probably dead, yes, maybe even up to 80% of them, but not all.

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(I mean dead dead, not hydrostasis dead)

past vessel
#

Right. Forgot about R6C3 mission comms, that does make that clear

eternal talon
#

We are a distraction ringing a dinner bell because otherwise the sheer number of sleepers would be too much for that other quad.

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So to some extent, the warden knows how good we are and is willing to use us on riskier expeditions than others

eternal talon
past vessel
#

Will make a mention that even before the events of R1A1, the team of 4 we play as have long since been active as KSOs proven by the R8D1 log, which takes place in 2057, six years before the events of the game in 2063

eternal talon
#

So close, yet so far.

past vessel
#

That’s an interesting perspective to think about, there’s no way the Warden would have let us leave Garganta at the time, so the Daylight Mission team’s bodies are still just laying there in some upper sector/seafloor basecamp

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Even if they have been dead for 6 years

eternal talon
#

Daylight theorized that everyone fled deeper, but kept being halted in their progress by biocom

royal crow
#

I smell lore

eternal talon
#

It's likely our quad met them at one of the blast doors. I'd say no more than 100 meters from the surface.

eternal talon
past vessel
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Gotcha

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Daylight Mission does mention they made it ~300 meters down, so was thinking anywhere between 0-300m our team met them

eternal talon
#

It's likely their corpses, if they had any use, would be taken by the sleepers... the... whatever the fuck they called them

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Daylight had their own weird name for them

eternal talon
past vessel
#

chichiricu

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Güijes

Güijes

Güijes (also known as Jigües o Chichiricúes) are mythical creatures in Cuban folklore that live in bodies of fresh water. Although their physical description varies between sources, they are often depicted as short-statured, black skinned hominids. Some depictions resemble stereotypical African pygmies, while others resemble monstruous, hairy...

raw terrace
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chixculub

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a

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nevermind

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CUBA MENTION

past vessel
#

It’s based on this

eternal talon
past vessel
#

I can’t say I blame those Cuban military folks, the Wave variant of the Striker indeed fits most of the basic criteria of this folklore creature

eternal talon
#

I'd say so yeah

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It's funny.

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The merch store gave us a wave variant baby (I actually have one from before they went out of stock forever) yet that variant is never seen in game

past vessel
#

The baby striker plush?

eternal talon
#

Which implies a wave variant mother

eternal talon
past vessel
#

I also have one

eternal talon
#

Poggers

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I have the baby and a hardhat

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Love this game so much

severe fulcrum
#

osha certified bebe

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that kinda hardhat?

eternal talon
past vessel
#

I unfortunately missed out on the santonian cooler. I would have bought it instantly

severe fulcrum
#

yeah but it's this kind of work safety thing

eternal talon
severe fulcrum
#

this kind of hardhat

past vessel
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10 Chambers if you are reading this go ahead and restock that

severe fulcrum
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(they won't)

eternal talon
#

Fuck it, make a full scale locker

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You want a cooler? We'll give you a whole ass refrigerator

severe fulcrum
#

regarding the number of KSOs still alive, fuck 98% of them could be dead and that still leaves a bunch for the Warden to poke around

eternal talon
#

Yeah

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We just have nothing to say any specific numbers

royal crow
eternal talon
#

Already covered, pable

severe fulcrum
#

the Warden doesn't know either it just knows he can use AT LEAST one more team

royal crow
#

Ah

eternal talon
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Lmao

severe fulcrum
#

one more thing do we actually see those blast doors that would seal the complex or have we only read about them

eternal talon
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Only read unfortunately

severe fulcrum
#

cause they aren't just security doors right

eternal talon
#

Like so many other things

severe fulcrum
#

pain

eternal talon
#

[[The vessel]] [[The inner]]

amber nimbusBOT
eternal talon
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Oh that's right. I forgot we had an actual wiki bot

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Those aren't articles

past vessel
#

those pages do not exist yeah

royal crow
#

I blame Bishop

eternal talon
#

Damn bishop, getting so lazy with his code, the entire santonian website bricks months ago and nobody does anything to fix it

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(I did actually bring that up to the devs on a livesteam, but unfortunately it seems like it will remain dead forever)

severe fulcrum
#

the sleepers got to the servers

past vessel
#

I'd also like to come to an understanding about the various vendors that Santonian contracted. Namely equipment from Nyxos, Dreyfus. And then the weapon manufacturers like Drekker, Shelling, Bataldo, Omneco, etc.

severe fulcrum
#

one of the hammers is also omneco's

eternal talon
#

Well, dreyfus owns santonian, for a start

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Dreyfus also owns insight

past vessel
#

SMC = Santonian Mining Company surely

eternal talon
severe fulcrum
#

I used to think Insight was like a scientific project within Garganta

past vessel
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(I've seen that abbreviation thrown around)

eternal talon
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Santonian mining company, santonian strategic investments

royal crow
#

Does Santonian have a food industry?

severe fulcrum
#

damn phone keyboard doesn't let me write quickly

eternal talon
#

KDS, KR

Kovac defense services, Kovac Research

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There is a medical subdivision of santonian I think... I just don't remember what it is called

severe fulcrum
#

a lot of the weapons are propably either mass ordered or from a contract

past vessel
# royal crow Does Santonian have a food industry?

This is something I would love to know myself. There has to be a food supplier somewhere. We don't ever see a single bathroom or residential housing in-game, and the only thing I found foodwise are the coffee machines

severe fulcrum
#

I'd guess

past vessel
#

I should check those coffee machines for logos real quick

eternal talon
#

When the alien stuff started being found santonian called dreyfus who called insight who moved in to garganta. Even up to the end of the timeline, santonian kept doing their thing and digging with bore drills, even as insight studied the artifacts and conducted expeditions into the ship

severe fulcrum
#

but their whole business there was the supposed iridium deposites

eternal talon
severe fulcrum
#

which turned out to (at least partially) be the vessel

royal crow
eternal talon
#

You had me about to link the for dummies doc there for a sec lol

severe fulcrum
#

wait so did they actually get down to it or just started finding stuff before

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they did cause the QGP blasts

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right

eternal talon
#

That richtofer got artifacts from and lost an eye to

severe fulcrum
#

with the giant empty space that shouldn't be there

eternal talon
#

(Lost an eye to his recklessness with the artifacts, not the chamber)

#

But yeah, hammerstein was doing full on expeditions into the ship

past vessel
severe fulcrum
#

so they did get down there

eternal talon
#

He hauled tons of specimens out of the ship and sealed them in glass and formaldehyde display cases

#

Specimens from the collector's collection. Different species from different universes

eternal talon
royal crow
#

I just realised
Why are coffee machines scattered throughout the complex

severe fulcrum
eternal talon
eternal talon
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Don't disgrace indie

severe fulcrum
#

true do excuse me

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anyways what I wondered about was what did santonian do after digging into the hunk of alien metal

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just mine to the sides and expand or

eternal talon
#

Hammerstein kept stealing credit and naming things after himself

severe fulcrum
#

yeah

eternal talon
#

That's insight's problem

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We just dig

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With our massive drills

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Day and night

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Dig dig dig

severe fulcrum
#

"as this was all found by the good and humble me, it shall be called... MY collection"

severe fulcrum
royal crow
#

Rock and stone?

severe fulcrum
#

rock and stone

eternal talon
eternal talon
severe fulcrum
#

and that "I suppose it is as good a name as any"

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right

eternal talon
#

Parasitidae Garganta? no...... PARASITIDAE HAMMERSTEIN

past vessel
#

Is the Hammerstein collection all the glass cases seen in labs?

#

I remember the log talking about wanting to showcase them

eternal talon
#

The data cubes, the matter wave projector, etc

severe fulcrum
#

what about the ones we find for boosters

#

some minor curiosities?

eternal talon
#

Those are artifacts, yes

severe fulcrum
#

Warden be like "oh nice you guys found my dads cup uhhhh have some drugs"

eternal talon
#

The warden is a collector and rewards us for collecting them with booster drugs. Why it wants them back or what it plans to do with them? Who the hell knows

past vessel
#

Very interesting, so they do have a canonical purpose

severe fulcrum
#

Warden "haha prisoners I laced yo shit"

eternal talon
past vessel
#

I remember watching early gameplay trailers and demos where there weren’t artifacts, it was instead various plant/dna samples. And in the final game that’s only ever seen in R5A1 Secondary

severe fulcrum
past vessel
eternal talon
past vessel
#

My best hypothetical regarding the artifacts is The Collectors are basically implying the equivalent of “hey that’s my stuff”

severe fulcrum
#

a lotta pieces of candy laced with eepy

eternal talon
severe fulcrum
#

I don't think it is

past vessel
#

I am so glad you know the exact phrasing because I read that excerpt just last night

severe fulcrum
#

i'm not sure how to write it

eternal talon
severe fulcrum
#

"oh yeah that's a program of mine that I plugged into the Underyork"

past vessel
#

It’s a log from R6D1

eternal talon
#

Specifically alt://r6

#

Og r6 schaeffer pipe'd the conduit in the most satisfying audio log ever.

#

WAAAAAHHHHHHH

past vessel
#

Schaeffer
Hearsay on. Here goes... I'm not going to hurt you.
Conduit
Humans are friends. I am a human.
Schaeffer
I think you are a clone. Are you?
Conduit
Clone. Yes! We are not so different.
Schaeffer
Did the Warden make you? Why?
Conduit
A biological conduit for humans. This unit will speak for us.
Schaeffer
Us? The Warden?
Conduit
No. The Warden is of us. This unit is of us.
Schaeffer
You control the Warden? Who are you?
Conduit
We travel. We project. From before, and after, through the membranes.

severe fulcrum
#

makes you think how common the virus/parasite duo is really

eternal talon
severe fulcrum
#

cause in universes it exists in it's almost ALL life

eternal talon
#

The virus is what destroys universes

severe fulcrum
#

THE WHOLE FUCKIN THING

severe fulcrum
past vessel
#

I will have to take a look inside the little artifacts we collect, I know there’s tiny things suspended in them

severe fulcrum
#

but anyways in how many universes does it exist

eternal talon
severe fulcrum
eternal talon
#

We don't know how many universes because there are almost infinite universes

severe fulcrum
eternal talon
#

(Effectively infinite)

royal crow
#

Plot twist: they do it on purpose until they find a race that can fight the sleepers

past vessel
#

effectively infinite membranes where the virus does and doesn’t exist

severe fulcrum
#

that'd be pretty fuckin rude but also make sense

eternal talon
royal crow
#

What is infinity

severe fulcrum
#

a ton

#

of ____

copper pine
severe fulcrum
#

bit yeah if the collectors really just looked for someone to help with the virus that'd be pretty rude of them but also make sense cause then they could fight back

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though I assume it would still be hard af

eternal talon
#

The virus has basically an infectivity of 100% and a lethality of 100%. There is no escaping it, it can transmit through everything, and will mutate itself to counter your immune system. The only problem is it eats through its "food" way too fast and dies.

severe fulcrum
#

it's not like at quantum level tho, right

eternal talon
#

The parasite X virus relationship is unique is that namv makes the parasite immortal. The parasite is the namv's bottomless fuel tank

past vessel
#

The Collectors are clearly capable of continuance through being able to to project/transfer their consciousness through Conduits/Units

#

Where is that other log…

severe fulcrum
#

in theory some like filters fine enough could be made

severe fulcrum
#

cause it was like

eternal talon
#

Not invulnerable

severe fulcrum
#

the virus has somewhere to sit back and enjoy, and the parasite can fuckin photosynthesize or something

eternal talon
#

It doesn't age and if uninjured, can effectively live forever

severe fulcrum
#

that makes more sense

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but it's still like you can take the head off a sleeper, sure, but hit it a few more times and it dies anyway

#

(assuming a giant here)

eternal talon
#

Lobsters irl only die because as they grow older and larger, it requires more and more energy to molt and they tire themselves to death

severe fulcrum
#

and no other cause of death was found?

eternal talon
#

If they didn't have to molt they could just go forever

severe fulcrum
#

outside of those caused by humans

eternal talon
#

...and other animals? Lobsters are effectively immune to cancer.

#

It's just diseases and being eaten

royal crow
severe fulcrum
#

oh shit

#

oh so diseases are still a problem

eternal talon
#

Their telomeres repair themselves

#

Ours dont. That's why we age

severe fulcrum
#

yeah makes sense

past vessel
#

R6C2 log, found it

eternal talon
#

/can die of old age

past vessel
#

Hearsay on. Kovac Defense Services had a cloning program called Rise. They wanted to mass produce soldiers instead of using recruits, and they were getting pretty close. They managed to produce living specimens, but they were weak and didn't survive. I've been trying to figure out why the Warden has had mercenaries gathering resources and samples from the Rise program, but it wasn't clear... until today. I saw something. Someone. It was a human, approximately. It was standing in the middle of a mass of creatures, and they weren't attacking it. The creatures knew it was there, but... pheromones? Temperature? Some kind of... social or behavioral characteristic? I don't know. Then a quad of mercenaries came through a security door and before the creatures attacked them, this human - clone; I think - reached a hand out to them. Then the creatures attacked the mercenaries, and by the time the chaos was over, the clone was dead and so were two of the mercenaries. The clone clearly didn't want to hurt the mercenaries. It was trying to communicate. It was weak and looked like it was dying, but... If I see another one like it, I'm going to try to talk to it. Him. Yes, him. Hearsay off.

eternal talon
#

Do not be fooled.

past vessel
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do clarify

eternal talon
#

...ARE NOT CLONES.... USES EXISTING GENETIC MATERIAL...

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Search that ^

severe fulcrum
#

the Unit was artificial

eternal talon
#

One of the og rundowns logs

severe fulcrum
#

but not a clone I think

eternal talon
#

Rise take a sperm and an egg, mutate them a bit, then grow them really fucking fast

#

Like, completely and totally impossible IRL fast according to our biologist

#

(Yes we have a biologist, his name is @rocky wraith )

severe fulcrum
#

a real smart bunch of beans

past vessel
#

So is that what the Seeds mentioned in R7D2 mission preview is about before being diverted by OG Schaeffer

eternal talon
#

Exactly!

gray bone
eternal talon
#

They are quite busy irl.

#

Like pable and cubix, he is a lore fanatic and a friend of mine.

past vessel
#

So does it go Seeds -> Neonate -> end of R7D1 result

eternal talon
#

Yes.

rocky wraith
severe fulcrum
#

summoned

eternal talon
#

Neonate. R7d1. Growth speed. GLP2. Impossible irl. Go.

severe fulcrum
#

cue the "release the baby" scene

rocky wraith
#

Yeah, limited by the DNA replication speed and by the bioenergetics of rapidly assembling all proteins into the required macrostructures because of second and third order reaction speeds, protein chaperone requirements and glucose requirements for transporting relevant nutrients

#

Proteins have many pitfall traps they can chemically fall into during formation into their secondary and tertiary structures. Because of this they require longer times to form carefully under the right conditions with the right structure and sequence

#

While these speeds are impossible irl, it is very cool to watch it grow fast with the thermals in game

rocky wraith
severe fulcrum
#

so basically it's limited by how fast DNA replicates and protein making speed cause gotta be very careful

eternal talon
#

"are not clones"

rocky wraith
eternal talon
#

"rise uses existing genetic material"

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Booting up my pc.. I'll find it in a bit

rocky wraith
severe fulcrum
#

succulent

past vessel
#

I guess what I figure is— even if by the in-game magic it is possible there, it would absolutely be disastrous/unstable long term, which I guess is true enough given that all the Conduits/Units we encounter are withered and frail, dying quickly

rocky wraith
eternal talon
#

I love the fact that gtfo draws in experts.

#

We used to have a guy who worked in disaster cleanup, too

rocky wraith
severe fulcrum
#

me watching the humanoid in front of my very eyes fall apart into dust

eternal talon
#

Believe me, I've been around long enough to go down a decent number of these rabbit holes

past vessel
#

I like that it goes to such advanced levels, so it feels much more like a realistic probability that there is research occurring even with some creative liberties taken

#

I wish the Terminals would go much more in depth but for fast gameplay that would be a bit much

rocky wraith
past vessel
#

There’s a really good example of that too

#

The final log in R6D4

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That Terminal is only accessible during a permanent Surge alarm

#

It’s why I use LogLibrary plugin so I can access the quick reference window and read/listen to logs directly in-game

gray bone
eternal talon
# eternal talon Booting up my pc.. I'll find it in a bit

**D-Lock Block: unauthorized access… logging
WRDN: override
ACCESS -BIOCOM -29$525GVTHR2%456FS
Instantiating BIOCOM-net(CLI)...
ready:_
authorized…
connected…
\Root?_
\Root\RETURN query “rise” -root -tree -int_server.1024_ciph.tier5 -all

0BC451A3EF #0255 - “... are not surprises when we get down there…”
24D077E29B #1606 - “... the spectral analyzer is eventually going to speed up…”
A2A223BTRE #0422 - “... should come as no surprise that there are several…” - flagged
0BD121CDA2 #5843 - “... going to avoid crises like this in the future we need…”
104366A2A7 #0093 - “... details on the Rise project will be sent to you through D-Lock…” - flagged
0EA33D16E2 #1604 - “... can only theorize as the nature of the material, but best guess…”
33B606C8EB #3021 - “... need to accelerate the growth of the Rise embryos if we are to…” - flagged
25D078D11C #1606 - “... applaud your enterprise, but this is not the time or place to be…”
AAD223BC80 #1002 - “... can complete the Rise project with your help. Imagine the possibilities if…” - flagged
B6A108AC43 #4913 - “... are not clones. RISE uses existing genetic material, but the resulting…” - flagged
134A6B31DE #0326 - “... even the KSO was surprised by the ferocity of the attack. We managed to…”
C48AD7B203 #1984 - “... going to require additional HSUs for Rise. Lockwood has been snooping…” - flagged
…more**

eternal talon
past vessel
#

Oh yeah Frostty

#

2nd log in R6D4 while I’m at it

#

Is that log referring to Schaeffer or another John?

eternal talon
#

(you gotta specify og or alt:// man... i have seperate folders...)
different john.

past vessel
#

Alt, yeah

#

The log of where the woman is pregnant

#

And then I think there’s another log of it I think in R8B4?

eternal talon
#

same john, but not schaeffer.

eternal talon
# past vessel And then I think there’s another log of it I think in R8B4?

**../BIOCOM
audio intercept
meta3.date_stamp(530525.112430)
concern begins/..

VOICE 1
Please, make it stop. The blood... there's so much — and the stench. It's alive. I told them! Look at what you have done. But you wanted this, you fucking bastard. You—
It's taking me. Bit by bit, the little one. Chomp and spit it out. I'm too soft, not much left of me soon. Not by the morning. When the noises leave. Can't be long now... Where's John? John! John! Your fault. Help me, John. You need to cut. A knife. I need a knife.
Need to open me up. Rip. It out. And then... you know what you need to do. Not too pure are you? No, not you. You're the worst. You're— Fuck. Fuck! No time.
I’ll do it myself.

../BIOCOM
personnel files updated
alert system flagged
concern ends/..**

raw terrace
#

yum

eternal talon
#

mothers are... visceral.

#

^ for more reading

past vessel
#

So, with these two comparisons, that’s an ALT log read by both teams right

#

ALT R6D4 and then the OG team reads that in R8B4

eternal talon
#

r8 is a jumbled mish mash of different universes, so yes.

#

which i affectionately call the "🍝 worldline"

past vessel
#

Kinda wish R8 did more of what R8B2 does with merging with Destination

#

That’s the only mission where it happens

eternal talon
#

no?

#

r8e2 has the entire alpha one site

past vessel
#

Oh, right duh

eternal talon
#

literally the entire mountaintop

past vessel
#

I have only reached through R8E2 up until Secondary

#

(Haven’t beaten R8D2 and have been significantly updating that wiki page as it needed quite a bit of info)

eternal talon
past vessel
#

“The Gang Dooms Another Universe Because They Didn’t Take A Shower”

eternal talon
#

you get it.

#

it'd require a lot of prep to not take nam-v with us

#

and being mid error... time is the one thing we didn't have

#

that world, just like earth, will end up like destination.

severe fulcrum
#

massive oof

eternal talon
#

you know, were it not for the whole apocalyptic disease thing, destination is quite beautiful

20220119212754_1.jpg
#

a very chaotic place.

#

sandstorms that rise higher than mountains

severe fulcrum
#

I haven't yet played there but from this image it looks like just some extreme desert

eternal talon
#

it is.

severe fulcrum
#

so quite livable

eternal talon
severe fulcrum
#

more than earth anyways

eternal talon
#

not much plant life, mostly just thistle.
no non-infected animalia.

20220121164302_1.jpg
#

the original species native to this world are long extinct.

severe fulcrum
#

wait so the virus can get plants too?

#

oh nvm

eternal talon
#

not as far as we know, it can't.

past vessel
#

I’d say probably no, given Gardens and Floodways

severe fulcrum
#

but it's so adaptable that even if it wipes a planet and after millions of years something new emerges, it's fucked anyways

severe fulcrum
eternal talon
#

the floaters and kraken have been flying around for hundreds of millions of years on destination.

#

no life could evolve again that wouldn't be instantly destroyed.

severe fulcrum
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oh yeah if they're that old too

eternal talon
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we can only imagine what the floaters and kraken would have looked like uninfected

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as they are ultimately the last glimpse we can get of whatever life was native here

past vessel
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How about the Nightmares?

severe fulcrum
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fuck-off gigantic lifeforms

eternal talon
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there are debates... but most people consider the nightmare worldline to be one that has progressed much farther than our own.

severe fulcrum
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that would make sense I think

eternal talon
past vessel
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It’s also something I think about— ALT Team never experiences R7, so they go R6D4 -> Maybe stuff we don’t know or hear about -> R8A1

royal crow
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ALT R7 is never a thing because Schaeffer is with the Warden

eternal talon
severe fulcrum
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r7 is schaeffer's rebellion after he kills the conduit in ogr6.

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alt://r6 didn't kill the conduit.

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so no rebellion

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half of r7's missions are replacing the conduit that was killed and the other half are active rebellion/schaeffer meddling

past vessel
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Timelinewise I am presuming each OG and ALT rundown takes place at the exact/very similar timeframe

eternal talon
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but i can't say anything.

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not for something concrete/factual for the wiki.

past vessel
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We just don’t know what ALT team was doing when OG was doing R7, that’s a lot of time for them to be doing nada but hey chilling in hydrostasis isn’t something they are unfamiliar with

severe fulcrum
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they could just literally have R8 relatively right after R6

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since I think MWP doesn't just travel between places and timelines but also time itself

eternal talon
royal crow
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i will never shut up about it

royal crow
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You travel to a worldline before/after X or Y events happen

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But its NOT time travel

eternal talon
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some worldlines (like destination and the jungle planet) have different rates of time

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destination it is 85x1.

severe fulcrum
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oh so different worldlines can be, like, moved relative to others time-wise?

severe fulcrum
eternal talon
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they are different universes. different laws.

past vessel
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There is something concrete I do know: They don’t tend to move that fast when they aren’t required to. You can see this in R8D1/R8D2 when after entering the Spitter zone in D1, OG Team talks over Biocom. In R8D1 that room is filled with Chargers and Big Chargers. In R8D2, you have to wait about 80 seconds for them to issue that terminal command while you deal with a crazy surge of enemies, so that tells me ALT team stealthed the room because you can pull that room and issue that command in under 30 seconds

eternal talon
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destination is faster, jungle planet is slower.

severe fulcrum
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is it confirmed that the "constant" stat is c/light speed or not

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cause I think I read that somewhere (not here) but it was a speculation

eternal talon
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STOKES
I mean, assuming this data is correct - and even if our equipment were damaged in some way it wouldn't give us false readings, it would give us nothing - but assuming it is correct that means that wherever Dr Durant and his team ended up, their clocks would be running faster.
[2.6 second silence]
STOKES
It's not a relativity issue. This is a calculable change in the quantum frequency. Durant's time was running faster than our time. And not by a little - by a lot. Back of the envelope math is1 second in our quantum frequency is about 85 seconds in Durant's quantum frequency. I mean I
[4.4 second silence]
STOKES
I want to scream but I don't have the energy. There are places that pass through time at a different rate. This is multi-dimensional physics. This is a change in our fundamental understanding of the universe, or it's another universe, or there are multiple versions of this universe and we happened to pick up the trace of a different universe or
[6.7 second silence]
STOKES
This is too big for me. I don't know who to talk to. If I go to Hammerstein he'll take over and want the credit. I don't care if he gets it but he'll slow the process down trying to curate it to his gain. If I tell Howie then they'll see my email and everyone will know and I'll lose control. I mean they are listening to everything so
[2.8 second silence]
STOKES
Hearsay off.

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(for destination)

severe fulcrum
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Stokes took quite a bite

eternal talon
eternal talon
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thats why durant and co are still alive at the end of r8.

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between us and them, their time is moving slower.

past vessel
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Oh yeah, Frostty, I know you’ve talked about R8A2 Sec not being canon (and it can’t be because the prisoners have no idea what the code is), but what about the R8C1 server farms, they can’t enter both

eternal talon
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so while all the shit is happening at garganta, by the time we warp there at the end of r8e2, relatively little time has passed

eternal talon
past vessel
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R8C1 is the fog cycling level where the OG team hands the ALT team the Project Insight archive key via the mutual zone. ALT Team then needs to make a choice between the Main or Overload Bulkhead to determine which server farm they go to

eternal talon
# eternal talon

when bishop was stranded on destination with druant and his team, and he didn't warp back for two weeks, it means he was stranded alone on destination with no food for two years

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yay, another plot hole!

severe fulcrum
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I can't remember the date of their travel

eternal talon
past vessel
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That would mean Overload bulkhead then

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(Server Farm 2)

eternal talon
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no deaths, first try, all optionals.

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that is the canon for our team

past vessel
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You get Main completion just for picking up the Project Insight Key, which server farm doesn’t matter, but to get Prisoner Efficiency, you must pick Overload

eternal talon
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r8a2 is unique because the secondary has its own ending/fail state and you can't complete main afterwards.

past vessel
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It’s also impossible for OG team to know the code to enter Sec, and even for ALT team it’s impossible to know because you have to beat R8B2 twice

eternal talon
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(being able to even get into r8a2 secondary would require time travel, so it's best to not consider it)

severe fulcrum
eternal talon
severe fulcrum
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gtfo is literally and figuratively extremely deep

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as is it's lore

eternal talon
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it needs flow charts and flow charts to piece it together

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it is a complicated, jumbled mess full of contradictions, plot holes, and red herrings.

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but it is our complicated jumbled mess of contradictions, plot holes, and red herrings

severe fulcrum
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I'd wear it like a medal

eternal talon
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i've been here for over half a decade and I don't plan on leaving anytime soon.

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gtfo lore has been my hobby since 2019

past vessel
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It's really surprising how much we DO know once it's all unscrambled

eternal talon
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not even the game, just the lore

past vessel
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obviously still a bunch of unknowns

eternal talon
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i haven't played in over a year

eternal talon
past vessel
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Frostty carry me through R8D2 Sec please

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🙏

eternal talon
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the highest tier expedition i've ever solo'd without bots is r6c1.

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i got decently good at soloing because of r6b1. I LOVED just roaming around destination exploring every pixel

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but i'm not great.

severe fulcrum
eternal talon
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here are my ogr6 stats

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past vessel
eternal talon
past vessel
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OK good, because the reason I mention that is the Alpha Two camp

eternal talon
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also i'm the f*cking loremaster

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if i haven't beaten it, i've noclipped through it in god mode to get the deets

past vessel
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it's nighttime in Destination, and R6B1 is when you first visit Alpha Two during daytime

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in R6B1 you only encounter flyers but in R7E1 the area is full of Chargers and Big Chargers

eternal talon
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there are no enemies in the day version until you trigger the terminal, so i enjoy that more.

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it is also larger, because the cave isn't blocked by charger gunk

past vessel
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fun fact about that gunk

eternal talon
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i'm also not soloing pablo. fuck that

past vessel
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it's referred to in the files as InnerFlesh

eternal talon
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and the kraken is called squidward.

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chargers are bullrush

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etc

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i've done some dabbling.

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i made my own mod a couple years ago.

eternal talon
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this was probably from one of the rundown log hunt competitions

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(when a new rundown would release, people would race to see who could get all of the logs first)

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(a massive wall of .pngs would fill this channel every release day)

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it was a fun event.

past vessel
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@eternal talon just did some more research: Aelfo is the logo on that coffee machine

eternal talon
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i have some logos if you want them

past vessel
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yes I do want these

eternal talon
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then take them

past vessel
eternal talon
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mine is better

past vessel
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mine is smaller

eternal talon
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mine is upscaled and has music

past vessel
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I should actually try to guess which mission that is from

eternal talon
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i have no idea lol

past vessel
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I already guessed which mission the Tank wiki image is from correctly, it's R6D3

eternal talon
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looks like floodways

severe fulcrum
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what my mom sees at 2 am (I crave chocolate)

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also I'm stealing this gif

eternal talon
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lmao

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the song is Everlong by the Foo Fighters

past vessel
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From running around Digsite tiles, I see several common names: Santonian (obviously), Omneco, Aelfo, Nyxos

loud urchin
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look at the lights

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or did that mostly get removed

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cornell industries was it

eternal talon
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It's funny to me that nyxos managed to get their equipment into a completely different universe but never knew about it

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The first human stuff in another universe, let alone another world, is nyxos stuff....

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But they don't and will never know

eternal talon
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It's REALLY hard to see

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Have to noclip inside the glass in one of the reactor tiles

severe fulcrum
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now I think about it

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are real reactors of any actual brand or how is it

severe fulcrum
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and it's the only familiar thing in sight

past vessel
loud urchin
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the best company in the game

past vessel
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@eternal talon so, I didn't realize this until now while editing: there is no Project Insight wiki page.

eternal talon
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Huh

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That's strange

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It's one of the four most important companies

past vessel
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just a little omission

severe fulcrum
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saul goodman type shit

vagrant forum
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saul goodman: shit

copper pine
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Walter H. White: what

past vessel
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D-Lock Block Cipher
alias:int_server.1024_ciph.tier5.high_core/sec_A_all.flagged

The GPR scans are complete and we have a good approximation of the size and shape of the object. It is clear from these scans that this is not a natural geological formation, therefore the use of the term "fossil" is appropriate when discussing the object in official documentation. Please refrain from using the word "vessel" until we have made an official determination on the origin of the object. It has been noted that several prominent members of the PI team have been using this incorrect terminology.

We will focus primarily on the existing tunnels and passageways with the aim of mapping out the entire fossil. Once the vertical shafts have been surveyed and mapped, they can be used as transportation shafts to access the deeper areas. You may have seen several KDS Deployment Conveyors being installed throughout the facility. We will be using these conveyors for all expeditions from now on. If you have not used a conveyor before, it can be alarming and cause some discomfort at first. However, the system has been successfully used for operative deployment thousands of times without issue. I have been assured that any discomfort passes after a few drops. The deployment conveyors are the quickest and safest way to access unexplored locations, so get used to using them.

Onward and downward!

Dean Lockwood A079

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R6B2 log

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hmm

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so is the area considered "The Inner" with "the fossil" and "vessel" being the names for the ship

eternal talon
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yeah

past vessel
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Here's another question I have: Why do we have Surge, Moderate, Strong, and Extreme alarms? These Alarms directly refer to the amount of enemies that show up, instead of referring to Bioscans (they are usually a Class I Sustain Scan). These Alarms are part of Biometric security measures in place in Garganta.

If The Warden had full control over security, why have us do Alarms at all? And especially in particular, why have Alarms that would give away enemy density?

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In addition, I made significant updates to the Daylight Expedition Wiki page, and I'd like it to be proofread:

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[[Daylight Mission]]

amber nimbusBOT
raw terrace
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as of the designations, its more probs the biocom visor putting it in a way we can understand, but same as in d2, they are louder and so attract worse enemies

past vessel
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That's what my preliminary guess is, too. It's the volume of the alarm

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or the proximity of that alarm as in to how much adjacent security it trips

eternal talon
# past vessel Here's another question I have: Why do we have Surge, Moderate, Strong, and Extr...

1st bit: idk.
2nd bit: because the warden doesn't have complete control over everything. There are certain parts of the complex it doesn't have access to that it needs us to give it access to (kds deep is an example). Furthermore, r7d2's biocom server room tells us that biocom itself is still fighting back and has been trying to delete the warden repeatedly, even to this day but the warden keeps rebooting the system

past vessel
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(Going to be updating the Alarms and Warden pages next)

eternal talon
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Alt has sleepers on the surface. OG didnt.

past vessel
eternal talon
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"Matthew Aaron's research team descends without the Cuban military, " do we know if the Cuban military even still exists at this point?

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""Patient Zero" — a 33 year old male employee of Santonian Mining Company and member of Project Insight. " both?

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"Shortly after this broadcast, whilst attempting to download the medical records database, the Daylight Mission team notices a process running on the local Terminal as "WRDN". [6] The entire expedition team is ultimately killed by Woods, Dauda, Hackett, and Bishop.[7]" there is probably a better and more concise way to word that

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"It is internally known by Santonian Industries as sitting atop a significant iridium deposit known as La Vena.[8]" I like the inclusion, but ultimately feel it is a bit misleading because we know it isnt an iridium deposit. It's a mo'fuckin space ship

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"While not completely confirmed, it is likely that the coordinates of La Vena are at 21°24′0″N 89°31′0″W at the center of the crater a few kilometers off the coast." I know you said "not completely confirmed", but where is the "partially confirmed" source for this?

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"Matthew Aaron's broadcast details that the expedition team was unwilling descend beyond 300 meters deep.[5] This depth is calculated from the base camp on the seafloor level, and not sea level." technically we do not know this to be true for certain, right?

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"It is not made fully apparent why The Warden had the Daylight Mission team killed. However, a likely possibility is that The Warden assumed the team was attempting to hack into and take over the facility." I don't like this assumption. I think simply saying that they would have interfered with its operations in garganta and had them killed to prevent this variable woukd be better. The warden is an alien being beyond us, whose motives are all over the place. Not best to speculate with so little info imo

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I don't immediately see anything else... but I'm probably missing something. I usually am.

past vessel
eternal talon
eternal talon
past vessel
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2057

eternal talon
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Most of the governments of the world should have either fallen or gone complete isolationist by then

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Strange.

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Have you double checked? Are you certain?

past vessel
# eternal talon *""Patient Zero" — a 33 year old male employee of Santonian Mining Company and m...

He was an employee of the Santonian Mining Company, he was 33 at the time he contracted the virus. He fled Garganta on... shit where is it... on 28th December 2052. Santonian were tracking him, well, Kovac were, and they believe he may have made it as far as Florida, which is where the CDC issued its first alert on January 11th 2053. This has to be him! It has to be. And they knew it all along! My god. They knew it all along. We found an internal email saying as much. Santonian knew about the virus and said nothing. Then they let it escape. It's not clear how the patient caught the virus. We don't have the medical records yet. He was working on something called Project Insight. We're still working on getting into that database.

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maybe can be phrased better...

eternal talon
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I mean I guess someone can have multiple jobs but for whatever reason that irks me

past vessel
# eternal talon Have you double checked? Are you certain?

This is Matthew Aaron, operations lead for the Daylight Mission. I am recording this message at… 11:37am, April 28th, 2057. We have reached the port of Progreso and established an operations base in the cruise terminal. Unsurprisingly, this place has been abandoned. There's no one here — no one in the city at all, as far as we know. Getting here was a nightmare. The US government, what's left of it, offered no help. We were stuck in Tampa for two weeks until someone in the Cuban government heard our broadcast and offered help. They have kindly provided transportation, and a military force to protect us. Of course, we took them up on their offer. If getting through Florida is any indication of what's to come, we are going to need all the help we can get. They picked us up in Fort Myers last week. Imagine that. The Cuban Navy land on US soil and no one cares. We got to Pregreso 2 days ago, and have already managed to lose Dr. Wilkins. I'm not sure what happened, he must have just wandered off. We have a squad out looking for him. Since landing our military escort has reported sightings of… well the soldiers are calling them "chichiricu", but I don't know what they are. According to Captain Puente they are coordinated and highly aggressive. I have asked the soldiers to capture one but they tell me the creatures disappear before their corpses can be recovered. Not disappear… vanish, maybe? It's probably a translation issue. Regardless, I have yet to see one and… well, the local fauna is not our mission. Our mission is NAM-V. The viral load present in the corpses from the city is massive. The virus has been here a long time. We've also found several mass cremation sites that we think haven't been touched in maybe 8 to 10 years, so I believe we are on the right track for finding the origin of this virus. We will be taking the boats to Garganta tomorrow. I don't know what we're going to find there, but I'm… hopeful. I will report again once we get there.

eternal talon
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But from the looks of it they went the isolationist route

past vessel
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ah alright, but yeah I did double check

past vessel
eternal talon
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*this type of thing

past vessel
past vessel
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can nix

eternal talon
past vessel
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yeah I've looked at those confirmed coordinates

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it's in a forest near the village of Ixil next to a cemetery

eternal talon
past vessel
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This entrance obviously can't be there though since it's off the coast

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and they still refer to it as Garganta

eternal talon
past vessel
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yup

eternal talon
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The ocean platform isn't the only one, and probably wasn't even the first

past vessel
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probably the least damaged one by this point since it's not on mainland

eternal talon
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I mean yeah... but we have logs from during the construction of garganta

past vessel
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which ones?

eternal talon
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There are a few. On phone rn

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Check og rundown logs

past vessel
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alrighty, no rush. I can take a look but will be making those edits first. Most of what I did last night was adding more sources and expanding the details because Daylight Mission really is incredibly important

eternal talon
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My point is, we know we drop down multiple holes because that's how we get to different parts of the complex. It's not all down one pit.

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There is infrastructure built into however many of them

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The ocean platform isn't special in any case except the fact that it is in the water

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Kovac had complete military control over the Yucatan

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There could be hundreds of holes that reach the surface, given how frequently we see level tiles that show them

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We don't know the primary entrance

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And the complex is so massive, that any "primary entrance" would just be a huge bottleneck

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Cities don't only have one road leading into them

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Think of garganta's scale

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While we can only guess why daylight chose that entrance,

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It is exposed to the air. (I mean from drop down most/all are because of the rain), but still

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An ocean platform would be more easily noticeable while searching than a bunch of concrete buildings surrounded by trees

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Idk

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I'm just saying. Don't put too much focus on the platform. It is one of many.

past vessel
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Probably to escape the smell and ambiance of the piles of corpses that are littering the streets/mass graves which would increase their chance to exposure, but that’s pure speculation

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Good call though. I’m making revisions now

severe fulcrum
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I can't remember it and don't know where to dig so
some virus and parasite infested bodies, lore-wise, disintegrated into little more than fluid after being damaged enough while others lasted, why was that?

eternal talon
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### Entry: Gallus {genus}
Poss. intro? fix end bit
/quote
There are cross-species behavioral distinctions that separate all species within the genus. The dark-skinned variants tend to be more active hunters, suggesting the darker pigmentation is a product of natural selection. They are harder to see and therefore more successful predators. The light skinned breed are still vicious and will attack at the slightest provocation, but they do not seek the prey as actively, they are more disposed to sedentary, almost somnific, behavior. They wait, and strike when roused.
/quote
ALT://R3A1 - 7GY-HYP-SDW

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In gameplay, all sleepers disintegrate for performance reasons.

severe fulcrum
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yeah but is the lore explained anywhere

eternal talon
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in lore, only the red subspecies do.

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as we find corpses of white subspecies

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as to why they disintegrate?

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???

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?????

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??

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?.

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i hope that answers your question

severe fulcrum
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sorry I got kinda lost in the sauce

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what I mean is that why lore-wise some disintegrate and some don't

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if it is actually explained anyhow

eternal talon
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the answer is .

severe fulcrum
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satisfactory

eternal talon
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nothing -- we don't know.

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or at the very least I don't know

severe fulcrum
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bit of a shame but I guess we can't know everything

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and this just happens to be one thing

eternal talon
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have you heard of the Schaeffer Discrepancy?

severe fulcrum
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I don't think so at least not of this name

eternal talon
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okay

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so have you read the R6 extension logs?

severe fulcrum
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uhhh don't think so

eternal talon
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okay, lemme post them. gimme a sec

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then i will continue.

severe fulcrum
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alright give me a moment

eternal talon
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this is how, in the original worldline anyway, schaeffer became the schaeffer we know.

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and why he is alive while *practically nobody else is.

severe fulcrum
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venting to kds deep

eternal talon
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"When I got here, I – I'm a fucking idiot. I closed the door so they wouldn't find me and now I can't get it open. I'm stuck in here, and I'm going to starve to death."

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Rundown 5, in its entirety, is about resources.

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The warden trying to regain access to KDS-DEEP so it can access the 24,000 KSOs housed inside from before/during the collapse.

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Schaeffer caused the lockdown.

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so let me restate: Rundown 5 is about lifting the lockdown and restoring power so R5E1 is possible.

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at the end of R5E1, we visit this very room.

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The Schaeffer Discrepancy is essentially, a question.

How did Schaeffer escape from the his Quad and the Warden BEFORE the Warden had access to his HSU, which was inside the KDS-DEEP Vault?

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it's a plot hole.

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there are many pieces of missing information in gtfo.