gtfo-lore

[raw terrace]

rundown 7 had the free weekend

or do u mean that was the bigger spike

iiiii forgot that happened

was it 2020

damn

i guess it makes sense

[royal crow]

COVID was 5 years ago

Crazy

[eternal talon]

6, technically

[raw terrace]

i would still like that link to the page tho

[eternal talon]

more than half a decade ago

[ionic dune]

Well no, 5.3 is closer right?

[royal crow]

Its like 5 years and 4 months

[ionic dune]

I swear it was at the end of 2019 it became a thing

[royal crow]

December ye

[ionic dune]

Yea so that would be 5 years 4 months no?

Or am I counting wrong

Is it time for bed

[eternal talon]

covid was named by the WHO in february

[ionic dune]

Feb 2019?

[eternal talon]

first confirmed death was in france, feb 15th

was declared a global pandemic march 11th

[eternal talon]

yes

[ionic dune]

Damn

Nvm then

Retract my statement

[eternal talon]

like nam-v, shit spread fast

[royal crow]

I wish it was Nam-V

[ionic dune]

Apparently slower than namV

[ionic dune]

No u don’t

[eternal talon]

covid had an r-naught at 6.6 at highest covid omicron reached 9.5

nam-v is 19.

[ionic dune]

Yea

[eternal talon]

three times as infective

iirc highest ever recorded was measles, between 12 and 18

[royal crow]

"covid omicron"
Spooky name

[eternal talon]

the omicron variant, as opposed to delta, alpha, etc

like nam-v, it mutated a bunch due to anti-vaxers

just no-where near as nam-v's infinite strain

[ionic dune]

Im not sure about this but shouldn’t it be contagious instead of infective?

[eternal talon]

r-naught is just the number of persons one would expect a single person to spread it to

[ionic dune]

(The website I got the R-naught number from said contagious)

[eternal talon]

if a virus has an r-naught of 6, an infected person would be expected to have spread it to at least 6 other people

[royal crow]

Damn

[ionic dune]

But doesn’t infectiousness take into account stuff like spreading through parasites/mosquitoes whilst contagiousness is just human to human or am I tweaking?

[eternal talon]

i'm not an expert. that is @rocky wraith 's thing.

[ionic dune]

Fair enough

From the one Google search I did

[worn rivet]

hmm

[eternal talon]

i called it.
https://www.reddit.com/r/GTFO/comments/1jnhbh5/question_about_schaeffar_in_rundown_7/

[raw terrace]

schaefar

[eternal talon]

the issue with new players not knowing r7 is a completely different universe after playing alt://r6

going immediately from the schaeffer that listened to the conduit and works with the warden... to the schaeffer who bashed it's bloody brains in with a pipe and declared war.

[radiant root]

i want to say the issue is reddit

[eternal talon]

Nah, the game itself does absolutely nothing to inform you

Other than the letters "alt" there is no indication that the story and characters are different. There is no buildup for r8.

[worn rivet]

HEHE

[royal crow]

Schaeffar

[worn rivet]

It really shows how confusing gtfo's dual timelines can be.

[eternal talon]

More than dual, really, but it would have been so simple to explain... just to include a popup when entering r7 for the first time in the menu.

[worn rivet]

Correction, like 4 or 5 timelines or worldlines.

[eternal talon]

More than that.

[worn rivet]

Wait how many are there?

[eternal talon]

You've got OG, ALT://, Destination, Nightmare, Jungle Planet, The three earths in R6D4, the corpses from ALT://R6DX, and all of the corpses from R8

9+

Not including the spreadsheet log, with well over a thousand

[worn rivet]

9+, no god damm wonder people get confused

[eternal talon]

It's honestly not that complicated to explain broadly. They just dont.

[worn rivet]

Hmm,

And most of those are dead

Or inhabited by about 5 people

[eternal talon]

You've selected Rundown 7, which follows the original chronology of Rundowns. To continue the story introduced in ALT://Rundown 6, please skip straight to Rundown 8

[worn rivet]

And then they get confused by the second half of it.

Which leads them to watching lore videos

[eternal talon]

People are going to be lazy and look for lore videos regardless.

[worn rivet]

Cause most of them don't search for all of the obscure logs and look at random computer screens

[eternal talon]

My point is that it is simple as; GTFO is a multiverse. The original rundowns, which while still canon, are no longer in the game. The ALT:// rundowns released to reintroduce and remaster the gameplay follow their own universe running parallel to the original. These two universes, among others, clash in rundown 8.

[eternal talon]

They won't know the videos are wrong and won't bother searching for more information.

[worn rivet]

agreed

Like half of them miss big bits or leave out cruical info or sometimes don't mention which version it is

[eternal talon]

And they won't know this place exists so won't come here. It isn't even visible on the discord. It's opt-in.

[worn rivet]

It isn't, feel like that kinda should be, considering how confusing it is at time

[eternal talon]

I catch people occasionally on reddit, but I don't bother going through youtube.

[worn rivet]

And how cruical it is at other

[eternal talon]

Last time I did, Roanoke deleted my comments.

[worn rivet]

Like unless you look it up, there's an entire secondary you can miss in r8 and probably other rundowns

[eternal talon]

There is also the issue of removed logs and logs that have never been in the game to begin with

ARG logs not expected for them to be able to solve, as they were meant for the community as a whole.

[worn rivet]

Oh yeah, then there's all the arg's and google docs, like the kso one

[tough wave]

GTFO ARG that boils it down to santonian being an energy drink company

[eternal talon]

GTFO is a puzzle box. They've only made piecing together the lore harder over the years. On streams, they've said explicitly that they won't say anything about the story, and it is up to us to piece it together ourselves.

New players need us and our resources.

They just can't find us.

[worn rivet]

So they either do know it all and let us figure it out or don't know it and make stuff up slightly, hmm sounds confusing

[eternal talon]

Hence scraping reddit and linking back here.

[eternal talon]

They legitimately had a "lore QA" section of one of their streams that I participated in. Was the biggest nothingburger ever

[tough wave]

GTFO pisses me off cause of the wasted potential ngl

[worn rivet]

YAY, probably the first one

[tough wave]

There's so many cool concepts you can pull out of it but like

You have to physically go hunting for them, I hope they handle DoW lore better

[eternal talon]

DoW unironically seems worse than gtfo

Before the game has even released, they have that ARG website

I forget what they call it

[worn rivet]

Den of wolves sounds like hell and a box

[tough wave]

I enjoy ARGs fwiw

I think they're fun if they're done well

GTFO's just doesn't seem done well lmao

[eternal talon]

They're not meant to be solved alone.

[worn rivet]

Which by it being easier could make people compelled to maybe try gtfo out, and meet hell without the box

[tough wave]

I don't think most ARGs are

[eternal talon]

I think the Goldie cipher was done exceptionally well. It was a hidden message stokes sent to Howard, outside of garganta

[tough wave]

That's just one element of it tbf

[eternal talon]

Encrypted so kovac couldn't read it

The destination coordinates one was just a big mess of characters in a log, but it was a fun hunt to participate in, trying to crack it and find out what it was.

[tough wave]

I just hope they do DoW good

GTFO feels like a vestigial limb

[eternal talon]

They were the original developers of payday. I expect it to be at least a 5/10, probably not more than a 7/10, though.

[tough wave]

Payday 1 was the best payday ngl

[eternal talon]

Those kind of games just aren't my thing

[tough wave]

I like the vibe and atmosphere it has

[eternal talon]

Wait until early access, at least.

Gtfo has changed vastly in terms of vibes over the years

[tough wave]

I like heists and cyberpunk is genuinely my favorite setting, I think Mike Pondsmith is a genius, so heist+cyberpunk is cool

[eternal talon]

rip old lighting engine

The early early gtfo trailers look absolutely nothing like the game

[tough wave]

Fwiw I meant the vibe and atmosphere of PD1

[eternal talon]

It'd probably be the same case for dow

[tough wave]

I genuinely watch nothing about DoW cause ik it might be entirely different

I know it's a cyberpunk esque heist game

I've watched the one(1) trailer that came out a year ago or something but that's it

[worn rivet]

Everything in gtfo looks flamable

Like really, really flamable

[eternal talon]

Given how far down we are oxygen might be a problem tho

Not completely devoid, but not a high percentage

[worn rivet]

I wonder if the sleepers need oxegyn

[ionic dune]

doesnt every cell need oxygen?

cellular respiration thing?

[eternal talon]

I mean yeah, but living things also need food

[worn rivet]

good point, so just lighting the place aflame and staving them of oxeygyn could work

[eternal talon]

And destination has been devoid of animal life for billions of years

Worse if you consider inside the vessel for 65 million

[worn rivet]

Wait, that math isnt mathing

[eternal talon]

4.5 billion years

65 million x 85

[worn rivet]

No more the age of the known universe levels,

[eternal talon]

What do you mean?

[worn rivet]

Hmm

[haughty sigil]

no every cell does respiration

there are anaerobic microrganisms

[ionic dune]

oh yea plants

[haughty sigil]

but in this cash i my guess is that they would need oxigen

[haughty sigil]

what no

plants respirate

[ionic dune]

yea but like

in they own weird way where they take the oxygen they output

idk was a while since i did biology allow me

[haughty sigil]

no

its the same as ur own

the mitochondria are responsible for respiration

not the cell

the cell helps the mitochondria and the opposite

[ionic dune]

oh ok, thought the oxygen outputed from photosynthesis was used

[haughty sigil]

i dont know about that

but probably

cause oxigen if not used is toxic

[ionic dune]

or just released

infinite energy glitch? (no ik it comes from light sue me)

[haughty sigil]

they could just be lowering there pusles

[worn rivet]

Well the planets on destination could've evolved, using the little water they had access to that we know of, to only need sunlight.

[haughty sigil]

or heart rate

the therefore slowing down there metabolizm

[eternal talon]

For millions of years, thousands of meters underground, with no food, water, or even sunlight?

It's not just the virus and the parasite. They gotta keep their hosts alive

[worn rivet]

They might've ate eachother

[eternal talon]

For that long... I don't think you could physically cram enough bodies into the vessel

[loud urchin]

doesn't the combination of virus and parasite make the host immortal, or am i misremembering something and/or misinterpreting what's being said/asked here

[haughty sigil]

i mean its a game

go figure

for microbes trapped in ice thats defenetily possible

[eternal talon]

It does, but not to bullets and stuff. It just can't age, like lobsters. It not needing food, water, etc is unexplained

[haughty sigil]

but for large organisms its not possible

at least not with ur current undestanding of biology

it could be

but we dont know

[haughty sigil]

i havent read the entirety of the lore

so idk

[eternal talon]

Read the for dummies documents in the pins of this channel for the basics

I gtg tho

[haughty sigil]

cya

[worn rivet]

Quick question, do we know how many kso's there are in garganta?

[royal crow]

32k-ish

[worn rivet]

So that means, hm

[ionic dune]

8k ish teams

Or well

Idk

Some might not have survived the outbreak

[worn rivet]

hmm, how to use that

[eternal talon]

yes and no.

we know the complex has a maximum capacity of 32,000.

24,000 in the KDS-DEEP vault

and 8,000 scattered about the complex and in smaller vaults, ala r7a1.

[worn rivet]

So anywhere between 24,000-32,000

[eternal talon]

we do not know how many are still alive at this time.

[worn rivet]

Dammit, so any number

10 chambers leaves so much up to interpartion and guesses

[ionic dune]

is this "voice" the warden?

[honest summit]

Not warden himself, but biocom, that is under controll of warden

[ionic dune]

Is biocom also what allows the warden to ”control” us?

[raw terrace]

yeh

control chips

[ionic dune]

ye

[cold sphinx]

Finally

@coral gorge

Silksong

[gray bone]

wut

Did something silksong happen

[cold sphinx]

Go find out lol

Dont ask me

[worn rivet]

HMm

[ionic dune]

is there any "interrupted communications" from a team dealing/dying to a mom?

[plush nest]

R3D1 i think maybe?

[honest summit]

R8D2 very probably

...a Nest?
...we have No choice. SHE'S WAITING
...why...why?

[radiant root]

they react to light and sound!

[dense viper]

what's interrupted comms in the lore btw

[next panther]

Someone farting

[honest summit]

Other KSO that have failed the Mission? Last comms of survivors? Us from a different worldline?

No one knows

[ionic dune]

its just like them talking about their situation and the warden like listening in

[ionic dune]

^this too

but id like to think that its other KSOs that have failed the mission (randomly taken both regarding time and which teams coms), makes the most sense in my mind

[dense viper]

most comms sound like there is group of 4

"us" (og and alt teams) supposed to survive every rundown (before r8) right?

[ionic dune]

yea

or well

nightmare team not but thats also technically a diff team

[dense viper]

cuz early access r1-r2 promo included how many "prisoners" died there

narratively

i know it's just

uhh

promo

[ionic dune]

yea but also OG team built diff

so OG team succeeded

[ionic dune]

also i think they overstepped the amount of KSOs in gargantua

[royal crow]

Not really

You would need a lot of "guards" for a complex the size of 3 Mérida cities

[ionic dune]

yea but a lot of them prolly got turned to sleepers

and wasnt there like 34K KSOs left or sum like that?

[royal crow]

Specially since 1million people live in Mérida currently

[royal crow]

28k max KSD Capacity + 4k around the complex in different vaults

Remember KDS Deep is HUGEEEEEEEEE

[ionic dune]

yea and idk if this is the right thingy #the-warden message but they dispatched 1 million for one level

[royal crow]

That is just

The devs

Thats the amount of players that went into expeditions overall

[next panther]

8.45% success rate is wild for an a tier

[ionic dune]

i thought this was what we were talking about? or am i just too newgen?

[ionic dune]

yea lol

[royal crow]

Also i think it counts the player amount that re-tried the level

Lol

[ionic dune]

fair enough

but still

crazy

one would think ALT R1C1 has that

[eternal talon]

32,000 total, 8k outside of Deep. Where are you getting these numbers lmao

[plush nest]

Random number generator?

[royal crow]

Oh ya

I frogot

[royal crow]

I am an AI powered by Chat GPT

Actually

Lets ask Chat GPT about GTFO lore

[eternal talon]

It can read the fandom. It just can't reference and look between multiple logs at once, so pretty much useless

[ionic dune]

Ima run my own GTFO LLM so that I can ask it stupid questions

[plush nest]

How can I make meth? hypothetically

[worn rivet]

hmm

[worn rivet]

the melee weapons in gtfo have to be made of something insane, not only aren't they rusted but their not broken after killing hundreds of sleepers

[royal crow]

one spear is a knife on a stick

one of the hammers are 2 pistons glued into each other

one of the knifes is a hunting knife (not even made for combat)

the other spear is for a drilling machine

[nimble saddle]

they're made from nokias

[worn rivet]

Hmm, good point, them along with the various firearms don't even show a sign of rust which is strange

[royal crow]

the only melees that are actually weapons are the combat knife and the bats

[coral gorge]

Yknow maybe GTFO actually just takes place in Finland during an average polar night

and thats why our chatacters are such chads, they’re just finnish

[royal crow]

omg Cubix

[coral gorge]

me

[royal crow]

MINE MINE MINE

[worn rivet]

Was it hackett or woods that claimed to hear god?

[honest summit]

He never claimed that

[worn rivet]

I mean did the village thingy

Been researching diffrent mental stuff around that god thingy, and trying to figure out what it could've been

[honest summit]

Woods is religious and killed either mercenaries or Army people in the Name of god. Hackett slaughtered a Village and didnt feel a thing

Not the Same thing

[worn rivet]

Oh fuck, read that wrong

thought it was because he heard god and not in his name

[honest summit]

Woods: "God didnt Tell me to kill them. I killed them"

[worn rivet]

So not those ones then

I'm starting to think that he's probably either a functional pyschopath or similar

[honest summit]

https://youtu.be/bsCB9460TeQ?si=wSfgfSdZvC3Yh3Ev

[worn rivet]

hmm

[honest summit]

He is a fanatic

[worn rivet]

So, hm

A fanatical man drawn to murder alot of people

also Woods is lucky as fuck to have lived through all of that

[honest summit]

He is a man on a crusade against the entire world

[worn rivet]

A one man crusade fulled by pure psychopathy and, he calls alot of people brother I've just realised, hmm

[honest summit]

Amen

[worn rivet]

I like the others reactions to this log, they're all just like what the fuck

[worn rivet]

One says, "right not turning my back on woods for a while." the others are a little hard to hear because of my audios quality

now woods is slightly solved, now to figure out the others stuff and then maybe I'll attempt the mess that is schaffer

[worn rivet]

og woods calls the other 4 it a few times, and so does his alt version, I started to realise it after watching the end of r8e1 and how he calls the other 3 brothers also while researching some of his logs.

[ionic dune]

was this dauda writing or was this someone else (R4A1)

[eternal talon]

someone else.

[honest summit]

"By Ellen Barker"

[ionic dune]

fair enough i didnt see that lol

[frank shore]

what the hell happened here? who did it

[next panther]

me

[frank shore]

im serious

[next panther]

i would assume the snatcher that was in containment

[frank shore]

damn

i would understand if it was tank/pablo or sth but snatcher? doesnt feel right

[radiant root]

schaeffer has like a whole dialogue about how dangerous and different snatchers are

[frank shore]

link? source?
all i know or seen is that theres a YT video in gtfo archive or hearsay about schaeffer snatched someones corpse in r6 or r7

madox or something

[radiant root]

it’s in like r7b1 i think

check the wiki idk

[haughty sigil]

what level is this

[radiant root]

r7c1

[raw terrace]

it just gets surprised of encounterin one in r7b1

[radiant root]

yes?

that’s what i said

[frank shore]

Schaeffer
Hey! Ohh, what the…! Get away from him! What are you– what are you– Aah! What? What the… You guys need to watch out, there’s something out there… It’s something new. I was going to move Maddox… trying to do the right thing by him but… there was something there. I haven’t seen one like it before, it was standing over Maddox’s body, like he was a fresh kill. I was going to do something, but then it just… disappeared! Right in front of me! It took Maddox with it! I don’t know where it went or what it was but… it’s out there. Ooh, watch the shadows. Schaeffer out.

[worn rivet]

AHH, that's creepy

And perfect for a stalker type enemy

[raw terrace]

wish it was more of a log or so

:[

there was so much buildup to the snatcher which is cool but now with r5 is

is a bit aa

[worn rivet]

[eternal talon]

<@&408548765599793173> here too

steamEcommunity

[cedar eagle]

ty for heads up

[worn rivet]

It happend again, god dammit!

[ionic dune]

nooooo my gift card

[glacial karma]

smyh why dont they just vpn into like, singapore, to do an uplink
that way all the chargers and stuff spawns over there instead

[raw terrace]

cuz cuz a bomb detonates in their feet as soon as the terminal detects anything weird 🤓

[ionic dune]

Ik is prolly a joke but there’s no servers to run the vpns

Also speaking of which how does gargantua have electricity?

[glacial karma]

ok but then just ssh into a terminal at idk zone 892

(obv it is for gameplay purposes but it would b funny to imagine sending spawns into someone else's game by remote ssh lol)

[ionic dune]

Yea lol

Im not that great at ssh stuff icl

Done it twice to setup 3D printer thingy

[glacial karma]

well it's basically a terminal uplink xd

but u know the password already

[ionic dune]

Fair

But isn’t the data local?

Or well you could argue that the term ur ssh into is in Narnia

[glacial karma]

when u remote access locally its across LAN, which means ur router handles the connections locally and it doesnt need to go out there to big internet

[ionic dune]

Ye ik

I meant like

[glacial karma]

u can also expose and forward a port to public and ssh from elsewhere

[ionic dune]

The data we are trying to send via uplinks (if that’s even what we are doing)

[ionic dune]

Mfw Steve from Indonesia ssh into my pc

[glacial karma]

i imagine the facility has a big LAN setup tho cos otherwise data transfer would be so annoying

[ionic dune]

Maybe

I mean it’s very very large

[glacial karma]

oh tru

[ionic dune]

Size of two cities I believe

[glacial karma]

ur righ

[ionic dune]

Or it was two and a half

But also I think file transfers wouldn’t be that big of a deal

It is in the future

Prolly has some wonky cables that are relatively cheap

And idk if they’d transfer that large files

[glacial karma]

i guess we don't know what the warden is actually trying to do so impossible to guess

[raw terrace]

me when we turn on several reactors and use several cells

[ionic dune]

Fair enough (forgot about those), even before the first reactor we do have power though (but also shouldn’t the reactors need parts)

[raw terrace]

probs other teams before us

also do u think garganta just decided "we have a reactor lest not have like anything to make it work near it"

[ionic dune]

Fair enough

[topaz pebble]

I dont understand , in order to teleport we need the projector and 3 data am I right? , but why when I collect a data cube it seem we teleport instant?

[ionic dune]

we need 3 data cubes to teleport to where we want to go

but we can teleport without it

also frostty will prolly explain the rest that im missing

or someone else

[honest summit]

Datacubes are Not stable, touching them and hoping that they will Work is unreliable

With the Matterwave they can controll the teleport

Doing it on demand instead of gambling

[ionic dune]

Gambling mentioned?

[honest summit]

• it Could be the reason for the merging of worldlines in R8 after all the Matterwave collapses

By themselves the datacubes contain Data relaited to the other dimension

Iirc correctly it was place, time and the Speed of light

[topaz pebble]

in R8B1 we collect a data cube we teleport then why we collect all 3 data we can go back to where we start ? dont need projector ?

another 2 data cube that we collect from this dimension how we can teleport back to where we start exactly?

Sorry I m newbie.

[honest summit]

Those datacubes were used by the science Team for Exploration of different Dimension, so they still Had the Data on them. One was pbly to get there and another one back

Why are they in a random Box? Gameplay reasons thats it

[ionic dune]

a third prolly as backup/nothing on it to program it as needed

[topaz pebble]

So the 2 datacube from this dimension has data in those cube and those data is correct to go back where we start ?
How do they know maybe this 2 dimension have met before so they share coordinate ?

[honest summit]

Warden Has the Research Data provided by all expeditions be it succesfull or defeated

It Could have read that a Team went to another Dimension with two datacubes and failed, while conveniently there is one more datacube that leads to them

[topaz pebble]

So from your answer in this mission R8B1 where ever we teleport to other dimension (could be random) once we all collect all data cube it will ALWAYS back correctly? Because WARDEN provide data for those cube for every other Dimension?

[ionic dune]

yes, though warden sees the coordinates in the cubes (probably through staff storing the coordinates in logs) and from there knows which cubes to grab

[honest summit]

Provides as in the one who Programmed them? No, He only Has the Research logs of our scientists that were editing them

But He does know how exactly the Matterwave jumps works since it is either a collector or was created by them

So Like Human knowledge + Alien experience

[topaz pebble]

You mean a team was sent to there then we teleport to take back 2 data cube. If this condition make sense why we back correctly because 2 cube must have coordinate to comeback.

[honest summit]

Yeah thats what i Said earlier

One to Go there, Second to retirn

[topaz pebble]

we cant produce more data cube?

[honest summit]

Its alien technology found in the inner. The casings are manmade, but the black Crystal is Not Something we can replecate

[ionic dune]

i believe we dont know how to or dont have the materials/tools to do it

[honest summit]

Honestly in E2 we dont know how they even Work since we dont plug them in anywhere. Maybe you Just have to have them on you at the TP moment

[ionic dune]

i thought u had to plug them into the MWP (mater wave projector) but i havent gotten that far yet so

[topaz pebble]

Is it possible every dimension has 3 data cube ? because almost every other dimension has infection ( from Alien aircraft )

[ionic dune]

probably not due to the fact that there are infinite dimensions

also isnt there more than 3 data cubes in ours?

or well ALT//::

[honest summit]

As in laying somewhere on the ground? Maybe. Assuming its Like with Dr Durants Expedition that they Got some with them there might be a Lot scattered through dimensiona

[ionic dune]

there has to be one dimension where there are like only 2 or 1 though?

[honest summit]

That is in the realm of specilation

[ionic dune]

fair enough

[raw terrace]

they go into the mwp

u can see them on the model

the ends of the data cubes fit into it

[eternal talon]

Warning: I may have been compromised; do not click any links from my account in the near future just in case

[next panther]

im getting my $50 steam gift

[radiant root]

😨

[raw terrace]

[eternal talon]

it wasn't from a link. it was a random friend request. i know there is an exploit going around regarding them. i've blocked the user, and am about ~60% suspicous, but better safe than sorry.

[ionic dune]

give me my 50 euro

did you accept it or whats the way to avoid it?

[eternal talon]

i accepted the friend request without thinking.
only way to reliably avoid it is to ignore all friend requests from users you don't know.
the reason why i'm not 100% certain is the user was in two servers we share; GTFO, and the PT server, so 1: it was a compromised account already stolen, or 2: it was a genuine person who sent the FR by mistake.

[ionic dune]

and youve never talked to them?

[eternal talon]

no.

[ionic dune]

🤷‍♂️ hoping for the best

[eternal talon]

no fucking clue who the person was, just that we shared two servers

GTFO, which is public, and PT, which, while public, is really hard to find.

[ionic dune]

i dont even know what PT is lol

[eternal talon]

projekt thermonuclear, my gtfo mod.

[ionic dune]

oh ok

[eternal talon]

it's only linked in HC modded here, and nowhere else

[ionic dune]

whats the mod about?

[eternal talon]

it has its own story and a bunch of unique features.

basically a PMC hired to investigate and destroy a secondary site of Santonian's, in the antarctic.

[ionic dune]

sounds fun

might try it once im done with regular gtfo

[west pebble]

Generally there should be no way for someone to gain access to ur account just by using a friend request

If you want to make sure that no one other than u can get access to ur account setup 2factor authentification and you'll be ok

(do keep in mind tho, even with 2FA you can still be hacked if u are insanely careless so still try to keep some general boundaries with internet shit)

[gray bone]

Hey i did that to
Some yukino person friended me

[ionic dune]

i got hacked via installing a OS that wasnt that great lol, average moth moment

[gray bone]

I thought they were still around so i just accepted it after some dead silence

[next panther]

LMAOOOO

[gray bone]

is there something i should know?

[gray bone]

No, seriously, did I say something wrong?
I genuinely don't see them around much these days

So i was really weirded out by the friend request

[wanton moss]

Buddy just wanted to reach out.

They were like “I haven’t talked to Golden in ages. I should see what’s up.”

[wanton moss]

Is your mod wildly more difficult than vanilla GTFO? Do you need 4 man team or can you bot solo/true solo?

[eternal talon]

it's balanced for duos, without bots.
i'd say its on par with vanilla, if not a little bit easier. it has 16 expeditions. 6 of which are solo only.

it stopped being developed a couple months ago, but is in a mostly finished state, barring voice acting.

[wanton moss]

Damn you made voice lines and everything?

[eternal talon]

i had a couple people perform voice acting in the mod -- the majority of characters were still left unvoiced.

it was developed over the course of a couple years

[ionic dune]

Goddamn

[wanton moss]

10C better make you an honorary story creator for GTFO 2.

[ionic dune]

Created a new game basically

Dlc thing

[eternal talon]

i barely consider it a total conversion. enemies and tiles are still the same as used in vanilla, barring one exception.

[wanton moss]

Loremaster Frostty knows so much lore he created more GTFO.

[eternal talon]

some mods add entire rosters of new enemies.

[ionic dune]

Lol yea

[ionic dune]

Still you’ve kinda made a Dlc for the game (only not official)

[eternal talon]

feel free to play it and tell me what you think. i love watching vods of people and their completions/first runs.

thats really one of the only reasons i worked on it for so long

it started as a two-person project, mind you

between me and Myresa

[ionic dune]

I’ll see, I’ll prolly run it once I’m done with regular but I might check it out if I’m too stuck on regular

[ionic dune]

Whose Myresa?

[eternal talon]

@clever night

i do not recall how i met them. we haven't talked in a very long time.

[ionic dune]

Fair enough

I’d assume they’re not an active GTFO player anymore?

[eternal talon]

i have no idea.

[ionic dune]

Fair enough

[eternal talon]

i don't play gtfo anymore either

[ionic dune]

Yea I can see how it turns dreary/boring after a while

[eternal talon]

i just stick around for the story and universe.

[ionic dune]

It’s one of those complete once come back in 2 years type game

[ionic dune]

It is a good story

[eternal talon]

eh... i find the pre-apocalypse infinitely more entertaining than anything going on during gameplay.

[ionic dune]

I mean for me I thought I wouldn’t go into the lore that much but here I am (still haven’t gone that much but I thought I’d just play the game)

[wanton moss]

I just ask Frostty dumb questions and hope he doesn’t hate me lol

[ionic dune]

(Same lol)

[eternal talon]

what is your question?

[ionic dune]

”How does gargantua have electricity?” the like 10 reactors we start

Smort

[ionic dune]

^ source

[eternal talon]

callback to the turrets from Aliens that almost certainly inspired the sentries in-game:

[ionic dune]

A10 warthog ahh gun

[wanton moss]

Yeah that turret scene is how I feel when playing Reactors.

[north obsidian]

frosty have you completed the entire game?

[eternal talon]

you forgot the extra T, but yep

[north obsidian]

done all the levels?

[eternal talon]

yep

[north obsidian]

ok

[raw terrace]

gamer

[eternal talon]

*cheater

literally half of r8 i god mode'd through

i'm not affraid to say it--i don't care about the gameplay

[honest summit]

any thoughts about completing it legit just for fun?

[eternal talon]

i did most of the earlier rundowns legitimately. i just got bored of it.

if i didn't care for the lore, i would have left a looooooooooooooooooooong time ago.

[honest summit]

understandable

[eternal talon]

this game might as well be a book to me

[ionic dune]

Is the reactors we are starting up nuclear reactors?

[nimble saddle]

Yes, in R8E2 and E1 it says that "a nuclear menltdown is in progress"

By "it" i mean Gangarta's system

[ionic dune]

Fusion or fission reactors?

[ionic dune]

biocom?

[nimble saddle]

No idea

[nimble saddle]

I think on the subtitles it says "Garganta's defense system"

so i'm not sure

i would have to check

[ionic dune]

👍

I’d assume fusion reactors due to the amount of reactors we are running with, two and a half cities would prolly only need a single fission in the future

[raw terrace]

nah not biocom, biocom only works for our hud and stuff, that voice is just like the alarm system of garganta

u can see it all over r8 saying different news

as if it was still operational

[ionic dune]

Aight

[raw terrace]

garganta has a surprising amount of reactors for what it is

but maybe i don't know the scale of reactors

maybs they small reactors

[ionic dune]

Yea maybe

Or maybe they require an insane amount of electricity

[eternal talon]

Keep in mind--garganta isn't just wide, it is also deep.

It's like 5 New Yorks stacked on top of one another.

[raw terrace]

5 new yorks wouldnt need 15 reactors but who i am to judge [if its even that little]

[eternal talon]

New York uses an average of 50,000 GWh per year. (NYISO 2024)
A SMR produces a yearly output of ~2.6 GWh. (energy.ec.europa.eu)
Reading the Wikipedia page for SMRs, I'm fairly confident this is the kind of reactor used in Garganta, as nearly all reactors look and function the same. (not saying with certainty, just my opinion) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small_modular_reactor

(example image)

I don't think we have a log that confirms the type of reactors used in game, unfortunately.

there is all of this hoopla, but i haven't been able to get any concrete references from it.
**ENGINEERING & POWER

All Containment Material Silos (CMS) to be unlocked and available for free use as needed. This includes Water, Sand, Clay, and Boron silos. Containment procedure guidance posters to be clearly visible upon accessing all CMS locations.
All satellite power generators (gasoline, nuclear and geothermal) to be switched to low power mode, with both the automatic maintenance and self-calibration cycles set to 14 days.
All Jefferies Tubes to be depressurized, then welded shut and appropriately tagged.
Reactor 1 to be set to low output mode with the priority mode set to coolant pumps.
Reactor 1 thermal trips to be set at 50% of peak load.
Reactor 1 containment doors to be secured.
Do not weld the containment doors at Reactor 1.
Do not weld the containment doors at Reactor 1. (this information is presented twice in the department handbook - C066)
Sarcophagi to be deployed at Reactors 2,3, and 4. Override clearance set to Class A personnel only.
Containment doors for Reactors 2,3, and 4 to be welded shut.
ENVIRONMENTAL CONTROL

Flush and seal the cooling tubes for the auxiliary cooling system, use the C67 or C67B procedure.
Air Intakes diverted to only use green tagged locations.
Green tags at intake locations may only be applied once the location has been physically inspected and decontaminated using DeVac procedures.
Complex standard temperature set to 18c. Tolerance set at +/- 4c.
Diurnal Illumination System Control(DISC) service disabled. If the Emergency Lighting Grid(ELG) does not initiate immediately upon DISC shutdown, it must be manually initiated from the Level 3 Environment Control Center.
ELG power feed diverted to Reactor 1. Priority set to “Motion Detect” for all floors (note that floors under Project Insight or KDS control control may retain their own ELG power priority. This is intended).**

[ionic dune]

Wow

We are using a lot of energy

[eternal talon]

keep in mind these are very small reactors--like the ones we see in game.

it makes sense, as they'd have to drag them this far underground

[ionic dune]

Yea but I meant like 50000 GWh times like 7

Theoretical numbers btw

[hasty aspen]

has anyone here read the log in r8a2 secondary?

the one with mr. truth

[next panther]

yes

[hasty aspen]

How relevant is it to the story?

Because of how well it's hidden, i would feel like it might reveal something that i am not realizing

[gray bone]

relevant as in to the lore itself or to us, the players, listening to the warden and trying to gtfo to another dimension

[hasty aspen]

to the lore

[honest summit]

Not at all relevant. Its more of His Background Story on the reason why He is so defias and hellbent on broadcasting truth

It Takes Just one terrible Summer Job experience...

[hasty aspen]

ahh

i see

mr truth backstory being hidden behind a sleeping immortal is kinda crazy lmao

[royal crow]

isnt that log a meme log?

im pretty sure its a meme log

[hasty aspen]

what would make it a meme log tho

[royal crow]

well
fist of all A2 Sec isnt canon

[honest summit]

Yeah it is funny how the Log that you tried hard to get without waking the room Up is Just Mr Truth flipping burgers

[royal crow]

yeah i cant find the log but it was just

so dumb

[hasty aspen]

well it gives a reason to why he is so against the goverment and how he doesn't like being used by others

[royal crow]

holy shit i cant find GTFO Wiki.gg

[royal crow]

all of the results are from fandom

[hasty aspen]

wait there is a wiki.gg site for gtfo???

[royal crow]

yes

we moved from fandom

thank god

[hasty aspen]

fandom is sooo bad

but the popularity of it makes it hard for wiki.gg to appear in search results

i have the plugin that replaces fandom with wiki.gg but it seems it doesnt work with every game

[honest summit]

Mr Truth gets a Summer Job at a failing fast food Chain, Not enough income so the Chain must Close, Mr Truth helps to Bring it Out of the shithole. Many years later, Plot Twist: owner is a sussy baka and lies to freshmen every single year that they are closing down

[royal crow]

Mr Truth had a rough life even before NAM-V

poor guy

oh hey i found the full log

holy shit its so long

i aint reading all of that

[honest summit]

Not every Community is on it. Most of them have their own Domains

[hasty aspen]

thats true but i mean even their own domains struggle to appear sometimes as well

[honest summit]

Fandom plague is real

[digital wedge]

😭

[eternal talon]

anybody need any lore?

[raw terrace]

please sir, i want some lore

[ionic dune]

"why do they look like they do" (sleepers looking like virus) - my friend Olivier

[opaque crown]

10,000g of caffeine

[eternal talon]

the mutations start with the virus. without the parasite, these mutations just kill them.

with the parasite, it just keeps going down the path it already was.

example being the tons of corpses of people who died from NAM-V in the complex, they've all got the start of that "split head" that the striker does.

beyond the ititual mutations, the parasite just drives it to where it needs to be.

be that a striker, a giant, a charger, etc

[ionic dune]

ty

[plucky laurel]

yeah sure, how did the entire virus start and what's happening above the ground?

[ionic dune]

Everyone going insane from the virus/extinction of the human race is prolly above ground, dunno how it started only that a parasite went on an alien spaceship and traveled a couple of dimensions eating every dimension it traveled through

[plucky laurel]

good to know, I'm guessing the 4 prisoners are sent down to either figure out whats happening or to find whatever cure or smth?

[ionic dune]

Nope, escape (also we don’t really know what the warden wants us to do)

The wardens helping us escape it seems like though

[plucky laurel]

what're the rundowns do? we going deeper and deeper into the core of the planet?

[ionic dune]

The missions before R6 can be explained as ”we are doing X to allow us to travel deeper” and the ones during R6 and after have their own lore (the yellow ones)

[ionic dune]

Not the core of the planet but deeper and deeper into gargantua

Frostty will give better measurements of how large gargantua is but I believe 2-5 cities have been thrown around

[plucky laurel]

I'm seeing plants and growth, scientific material and dead mutated people down here

did the virus make its way down or was it like that in the first place

[ionic dune]

The virus did that

[ionic dune]

^

Or well the plants/growth is just natural when stuff’s abandoned

[plucky laurel]

I see

[ionic dune]

And since the staff got wiped out (except people in KSO’s because KSO’s kill everything inside it and then revives the people sort of) it becomes abandoned

And the prisoners that the warden (I mean other than the players) don’t really have time to do gardening whilst defending a reactor

Im not great in biology and it seems like the lore guy that was into biology has moved on to different things but I believe the plants can still grow due to the fact that sleepers actually do cellular respiration but that they hibernate when sleeping so its not much, I believe (and this is just based on what I think would be logical) that they get glucose and such from other prisoners or staff that they’ve killed

Though it very well could also be that the sleepers are feasting on their own fat and muscle

If they in fact do cellular respiration

[ionic dune]

And the Co2 that sleepers produce would be taken in via plants

But also ig that generators running on diesel/whatever could also be a Co2 emitter (don’t know what they run on though)

[raw terrace]

ok now that i hape time for the record KDS stands for Kovac Defense Services, they were a mercenary group that defended garganta :3 @plucky laurel

[placid monolith]

what's going on up on the surface? i know that like everything is dead, but are the creatures roaming around up there?

would sunlight hurt them?

[ionic dune]

nah

they survived in space

where UV light is quite prevolent

[placid monolith]

i wanna know what's goin on up there

okay wait

is each rundown a separate hole?

i initially thought they were all in the same hole just at dif depths

i know they're in the same crater tho (i think)

[ionic dune]

same hole diff deepness

[placid monolith]

ah

[loud urchin]

The complex is one big thing

the shafts we drop down, who knows, probably not the same

[placid monolith]

are those levels where there's natural light and flora near the surface?

[royal crow]

Rundown/level have different holes

There's multiple holes where we drop all around the complex

Sometime between the start of the sleeper take over and garganta fall they started using the holes to move faster around the complex

[placid monolith]

goootchya

i just spent like 40 minutes reading through older messages in this channel lmao

[royal crow]

There's a lore document for dummies

[placid monolith]

i honestly love the whole idea of gtfo's universe

[royal crow]

Pinned messages

[honest summit]

[placid monolith]

just read it ;0

very insightful

[eternal talon]

We don't entirely know the origins of the virus, just that either the collectors created it, or came across it while traveling the multiverse. It became symbiotic with the parasite, and killed everyone on their ship. Their ship drifted until it crashed into earth, etc.

Anything and everything on the surface is dead. I'd reccomend reading the "for dummies" documents in the pins of this channel for additional information.

[eternal talon]

We are KSO, basically biological robots kidnapped and implanted with neural chips that prevent us from disobeying commands sent to us by BIOCOM. We are barely human anymore -- our free will mostly stripped away. At most, the warden/biocom has 32,000 of us.

Though we drop from the surface, we aren't from there. We are tools. It isn't until r8 that we cut the chains.

[eternal talon]

Not to the core of the planet--but to the vessel, the alien ship that crashed. Once again, id recommended reading the "for dummies" docs in the pins.

[eternal talon]

Depends. In the original universe, no. Only nam-v had gotten out. Warden sealed all the bulkheads before the parasite could escape --also effectively trapping any and all survivors within garganta.

In alt://, the warden failed to do so and we did know of confirmed sleeper presence at least so far as in the Caribbean

R8 is a combination, a spaghettified mess of a ton of different universes, but it is likely in a similar state to alt://

[eternal talon]

There are hundreds of holes. Big and small. They were created by the blast of an alien weapons system that was accidentally triggered by expedition teams going into the vessel.

As for your question, depends. R7 is a different universe entirely to the alt;// rundowns, being the last of the og universe that is still playable

R8 is also it's own universe, comprised of a bunch of others (og and alt included)

I think it's more for visuals than anything.

[eternal talon]

We've never been to the surface levels of garganta so I'm not sure what you mean. Our primary entrance/hole is on an ocean platform, several miles off the coast.

[eternal talon]

#gtfo-lore message

[ionic dune]

chonker of a project

[raw terrace]

mexico te llevo en el corazon

[placid monolith]

pretty cool that it's an ocean platform

but yeah i wish we could see the surface

[eternal talon]

If you've played minescraft, it's basically like that. Big concrete walls to the ocean floor and drained the water in the middle. From the daylight expedition logs, it has a handful of minor buildings and tents on the surface near the pit, and a couple helicopter pads.

[placid monolith]

oh! interesting

what about like.. the entire rest of the world tho

like cities etc

[eternal talon]

The deadest of deads.

They've been dead for about half a decade before r1a1

[placid monolith]

i know everyone's dead, but did the parasite make it up there

[eternal talon]

We are (probably) the last humans on earth

[honest summit]

I think the Most notable Part is the KDS that we get pulled from

[placid monolith]

reminds me of SOMA in a weird way

[eternal talon]

#gtfo-lore message

[placid monolith]

very depressing

[royal crow]

At least in Soma there is hope

In this game? Not really

[placid monolith]

oh mb i didn't see this msg

[placid monolith]

i meannn.. idk if I'd call that hope

depends on how you define humanity ig, but that's the entire point of the game, so

[royal crow]

The Wau did nothing wrong

And it is in fact
The last hope for "humanity"

[eternal talon]

ignoring the entire scene where the last human is being kept alive by the wau and is begging you to kill her

[royal crow]

Yes that sad

[placid monolith]

yeah there's several instances of that

[royal crow]

But think about it
The only reason why the Wau does that is because its still pretty new, the monsters, those horrors, etc what if it has time to develop?

It could replicate or help life similar as we know it in a future

[placid monolith]

well

[eternal talon]

The wau is the way it is because it's meant to be a representation of an AI that takes orders too literally

It keeps you alive, but you aren't alive

[honest summit]

Imagine Just Like in Soma we would enter the inner and meet warden

[placid monolith]

without human intervention to correct it's mistakes/bad habits, it will not do that successfully

[eternal talon]

You are basically strapped into permanent life support

[honest summit]

Think about it, we also have the conduit, Just Like that Dr that were working with the ai

[royal crow]

Inner Deez?

Gottem

[placid monolith]

there's not gonna be some random moment where the wau is like "oh hey hold up that's not really life, lemme make you able to move on your own", so it'll just continue to do what it's doin

[royal crow]

Yes I know

That's why I said develop

[placid monolith]

guh

[royal crow]

It won't do it in like a couple months or years

It can take centuries or thousands of years

Probably millions

[placid monolith]

what's gonna push it to develop tho, it needs actual outside influence

[eternal talon]

Think about it for a second though, pable. If what it is doing is "working" according to its goals, why would it risk changing it?

[royal crow]

Maybe not change it but do it differently

Just like the same

But in another more "natural" way

[placid monolith]

unless it manages to access records of human psychology, humanity etc and somehow come to understand what people are besides living organisms, then nothing would change

[eternal talon]

So long as what it is doing is "keeping humanity alive", it will keep doing that indefinitely

[royal crow]

Okay let's be honest
You think the Ark is like

The best option?

[placid monolith]

and i think all that info is burnt and gone

[royal crow]

That shit hits a rock and it's gone

Everything is gone

[placid monolith]

What other choice do we have :c

[eternal talon]

No. Maintenance would take it down given enough time.

[royal crow]

Nothing really
And I think thats what the game wants you to feel

[eternal talon]

But then again, nothing is eternal.

[royal crow]

God
Soma is such a fucking masterpiece

[eternal talon]

Go play Outer Wilds

[placid monolith]

fr fr

[royal crow]

One of the games that just doesn't leave my mind

[placid monolith]

me too :c

[honest summit]

I mean, from the Perspective of Wau, Ark is nothing but a Programm. Its Not a Person, Just a Echo of its existence

[honest summit]

Have you read the novel? It was pretty good, can really advise to read it

[placid monolith]

but yeah it's fucking sad bc its not like the survivors on the ark can actually get out of it or influence the real universe in any way shape or form

so once it's gone, it's joev

[eternal talon]

The ark is just delaying the inevitable.

[placid monolith]

mhm

[eternal talon]

Humanity's time was gone -- as far back as the asteroid

[placid monolith]

that satelite scene at the end, with its music had me geeked off the yipper when i was younger

genuine crisis

[eternal talon]

It was just desperate stragglers holing on refusing to let go

They needed to embrace the end. Outer Wilds moment

[royal crow]

Everyone would try to hang into something

even if it's something stupid

That's part of our nature

[eternal talon]

Well then maybe I'm broken. You can't fight against the universe. You can only enjoy the ride for as long as it lasts.

[royal crow]

Simon and Catherine pretty much knew it was all over anyways
Yet they don't think about it and just try to get a slight bit of hope

[eternal talon]

it's also why I think religion is a sham it's people refusing to accept that this is all they have.

Something like a heaven or a hell would be infinitely worse than not existing, and I think that is something catholics don't actually think about. Eternity is a long time.

[royal crow]

Eternity just sounds awful

[eternal talon]

A trillion years isn't even 0.00000000000001%

[royal crow]

I mean
Even on a paradise I would get tired

[placid monolith]

yeaaaaahhhhhhh this is part of why i hate religion but that's a whole ass topic of it's own lmao

probably best not to get into that

[royal crow]

Yep yep

We already got off topic with Soma

[placid monolith]

mhm, mb lmao

[eternal talon]

Back to gtfo, in the context of the surface, there really isn't much left.

[royal crow]

You can read Mr Truth story

[eternal talon]

The earth is doomed to end up like destination is today,

[royal crow]

It's very interesting and tells a lot about how things play in the surface

[eternal talon]

And as per the collectors own words -- our universe will eventually be wholly consumed by the virus.

[placid monolith]

when the epic group takes the mwp to the clean worldline, what is it like there? i saw the ending like 1 time but didn't get a good look at the environment

[royal crow]

It's just jungle

[placid monolith]

i know that there was the team of scientists there

[eternal talon]

Any universe where the virus was present, eventually became entirely consumed, in 100% of known cases

[royal crow]

Trees, vegetation, flowers

[placid monolith]

and then we tp'd there and 99% fucked it

[eternal talon]

That's another thing; e2 isn't a happy ending.

We almost certainly brought the virus with us

[placid monolith]

yeah i mean

[eternal talon]

It's just open ended

[placid monolith]

how would we possibly not be infected, theoretically

[eternal talon]

If not in or on our bodies, then in the wreckage of KDS-DEEP that the warp dragged through with us

[placid monolith]

what was the range of that tho i wonder

[eternal talon]

Range of what

[placid monolith]

like

how big of a blast radius for the warp, for lack of a better term

[royal crow]

You can see it on E1

[placid monolith]

probably doesn't matter but just curious lol

[eternal talon]

Iirc it was just the storage vault itself, yeah

[royal crow]

A bit more than half of KDS Deep vault

[eternal talon]

I have pictures, but on my phone rn

Unless you wanna dig through my posts in this channel to find them

[placid monolith]

so basically like..

even if they were quarantined instantly when they tp'd

[eternal talon]

It'd still get into the air

[placid monolith]

the virus would spread through the air, yeah?

mk

yeah that sucks

[eternal talon]

It's airborne, waterborne, surfaceborne, Jason Borne, it's an "omnipotent force of nature"

[royal crow]

Goku but in Virus

[placid monolith]

wouldn't the mwp tp the air as well

lmao

[royal crow]

That's actually a good question

[eternal talon]

Given the cave doesn't instantly implode from the vacuum, yes.

You've seen over-pressure submarines

[placid monolith]

the airborne virus IS a physical thing, even tho it's microscopic and such

[eternal talon]

It's like that

[placid monolith]

yeah

[royal crow]

How so

[placid monolith]

so yeah ig there is a 0% chance we didn't bring it with us

[eternal talon]

Look up what happens when a submarine goes too deep

The inside pressure and the outside pressure are mismatched. The hull can't hold. Everything violently gets compressed

[placid monolith]

bc if it didn't tp the air, there would be blank space at our tp destination when we tp there, and the air around it would instantly compress into the empty space

[eternal talon]

A vacuum is the same. The surrounding air will instantaneously fill it

[royal crow]

Ahhhh

[eternal talon]

*with violent consequences

[royal crow]

Okay yeah i got it know

We would basically implode

Yeah makes sense

[placid monolith]

so yeah ig it's less open-ended than i thought TwT

didn't the collectors want us to escape tho? or am i silly

wouldn't they have thought of this

[eternal talon]

While the warden is a collector, we dont exactly know it's motives

It's debated.

[honest summit]

@eternal talon yk what i was thinking about? What If the infection we get in Game is Not even a Virus, but a literal lung infection after breathing in all of the noxious gasses that are around the complex. Maybe they reason why the Disinfection works is Not because it disinfects, but washes our Air filters

[royal crow]

Maybe they want us to infect more worlds for them to study

Who knows

[eternal talon]

Could be to try and help us escape, could be to have us infect a new worldline for it

Personally I don't trust it

[placid monolith]

nah they have like 2048202034 worldlines to study

[eternal talon]

The infection mechanic is not nam-v.

[placid monolith]

there's no way it wouldn't realize that the infection would 100% come with us tho

[eternal talon]

I did a full breakdown of this once with cited sources

[royal crow]

For a virus that hasnt been stopped or cured
They would need a lot of worlds to study

[honest summit]

Not the point

[royal crow]

Or looking for some sort of life that can fight it

[eternal talon]

Then what is?

[placid monolith]

I've been wondering this, I'm just going to assume it's aids instead

[royal crow]

I like how a lot of people don't know to difference between gameplay and lore

[honest summit]

That its Not biological hazard

[royal crow]

Games are not lore accurate 100% of the time

[placid monolith]

i only started playing like 5 days ago lol

also btw with the tp thing, even if not for the air, all the blood and stuff that we get on our clothes and whatnot from killing creatures, is infected

so it's mega joev

[eternal talon]

Have you read the for dummies docs? They don't contain gameplay spoilers. They cover the basics of pre-apocalypse lore

[placid monolith]

yuh! i read it earlier

i like how it was put together

[eternal talon]

Some of the KSOs in those hydrostasis units were likely class-F "infected" as well, compounding the issue

[placid monolith]

how do we define class-F

[eternal talon]

Woods is also class F, but that's mainly due to his religion

[loud urchin]

i love phenoxymethylpenicillin 125mg/5ml oral solution

[eternal talon]

Class F means faulty.

They were rejects from the legion program or ksos that were too infected to continue to fight

Kovac primarily used them for organ harvesting and transplants

[placid monolith]

ah.

[eternal talon]

If the complex didn't fall, woods likely would have met this fate

[placid monolith]

i haven't played r8 yet ofc so I'm assuming the "vault" is filled with hsu's and such

[eternal talon]

Cut up on a surgical table to "repair" other KSOs

[eternal talon]

24,000 of them, yes.

[placid monolith]

that's a lot

[eternal talon]

The other 8,000 are scattered randomly about garganta and in smaller local vaults Ala r7a1.

[placid monolith]

how often do they get yoinked to be used?

I'm surprised they didn't all die in missions

[eternal talon]

The warden was primarily using ksos from local vaults until r5 when we got it access to DEEP

[royal crow]

A lot of them did
Thats why we get sent

We are like the group of people to get the job done

[eternal talon]

We don't know how many it currently has (how many are dead)

[placid monolith]

the gaming squad

[eternal talon]

The best in the multiverse

[placid monolith]

c:

for another 4 weeks, at least

[eternal talon]

Lmao yeah

You know, on that jungle planet with durant and co, there is another bishop

The one from alt://ef01 that didn't return

[gray bone]

didn't he die or smth
I always assumed he wasn't stranded there and just died somewhere else

[placid monolith]

what the tuna

idk what ef01 is so I'll have to see

[eternal talon]

Neither died.

[royal crow]

The Bishop that came back is a different bishop

Not the timeline original

[placid monolith]

interesting

[eternal talon]

In OG, bishop was the last survivor of his team (they went to destination), he rambo'd there for TWO YEARS

[placid monolith]

isn't destination the sand planet

[royal crow]

Yes

[eternal talon]

In alt://, he went with the team to the jungle planet. A bishop returned, just like in og, but it wasn't the same bishop that left.

[placid monolith]

how did he not get infected over 2 years

[eternal talon]

In other words, the playable alt bishop in the alt rundowns isn't alt bishop

Alt bishop is making margaritas with cavemen scientists in the jungle

[placid monolith]

huh, wait so

[eternal talon]

Because plot reasons (no reason)

[placid monolith]

durant and everyone else

were they not infected

[eternal talon]

Durant and co left before the outbreak reached critical mass

[placid monolith]

how did bishop get there and not bring the stinky virus with him

[eternal talon]

They were the last hope for humanity rebounding -- On a different planet

that's why r8e2 is a bad ending

[placid monolith]

hmm..

that part makes sense

[eternal talon]

Not only did our OG crew not survive, but they fucked over the last living humans

[placid monolith]

what exactly happened to bishop tho, did he go through the mwp to get to the group?

therefore fucking over the group before our group did

or am i silly

[eternal talon]

Bishop was simply a part of the ef01 expeditions.

He was one of the ksos in the quad sent with the scientists to protect them

[eternal talon]

I don't know what you mean

Ef01 happened like ten years ago. Bishop, three ksos, durant, a couple dozen scientists, all left to jungle planet. They left before nam-v overran the complex

Two weeks later, "a bishop" returned, from God knows what universe

We have no clue this bishop's origins

This is the bishop in the playable alt:// squad

[placid monolith]

ig he doesn't know his origins either lmao

[eternal talon]

The alt:// universes' REAL bishop is still with durant on the jungle world

[royal crow]

Knowing that Bishop is part of the perfect squad he is one hell of a Bishop

I love that silly dumbass

[placid monolith]

so this is something that happened before the entire alt line of rundowns

[eternal talon]

(Only the OG universe quad is the perfect quad.)

Alt get fucked in r8e1

[royal crow]

ALT is in the same level

They made it so far

[eternal talon]

Yeaaaaars ago

[royal crow]

The only reason they died is because OG fucked them over

[placid monolith]

alright that's what i was confused about

[eternal talon]

Gameplay is 2063

Ef01 was like mid-late 2050s

[placid monolith]

did they die? or just get stranded after og fucked them over

[eternal talon]

Who?

[placid monolith]

alt

[eternal talon]

This is mostly r8 gameplay spoilers

OG trick ALT and steal the data cubes, teleporting without them and leaving them to die to an endless error alarm

[placid monolith]

that

is vile

[eternal talon]

Alt actually has unique dialogue during that final stand

And there is no extraction -- the level ends when the last man falls

They die

[placid monolith]

wait so

are there like.. 8 players in that mission? lmao

[eternal talon]

No

[placid monolith]

how does that work

[eternal talon]

Basically, you are one door away from the other team

[loud urchin]

it's split into 2 different missions, you play both parts in different missions

almost together, but forever apart

[placid monolith]

OH

[eternal talon]

In r8e1, you are holding out, give the cubes, hear the teleport, then the door opens, you make your final stand

[placid monolith]

that's so fucked ._.

[eternal talon]

In r8e2, you make your way up there, take the cubes, teleport, etc

[placid monolith]

was there no way for them to make it back to the elevator thing

[eternal talon]

I mean... that'd be dependant on the warden wanting to rescue them

It didn't send the lift down

[loud urchin]

to play devil's advocate, there was a risk of mutually assured destruction should the 2 teams ever meet

[royal crow]

lets say they do

but what happens next

no MWP

no KDS Deep

no way to survive

[loud urchin]

you can see schaeffer meets schaeffer, and from that go "yeah maybe we shouldn't meet these other guys, bad stuff should happen"

don't think you can puport that any of the characters are of sound mind

[placid monolith]

why couldn't they all work together :c

[eternal talon]

Shouldn't OG's mwp be floating around somewhere technically?

[loud urchin]

because the game is a dystopia

[eternal talon]

Since r8 is a mishmash, shouldn't it have multiple?

[loud urchin]

the point is there is no happy ending ever

[royal crow]

there is just one MWP per timeline

and R8 is its own own thing

[eternal talon]

Yeah, and r8 is a bunch combined tho

[royal crow]

even if they are all together they should "follow" the same rules

since its A timeline

[gray bone]

but the timelines merged or smth right
isn't there supposed to be more mwps then

[eternal talon]

We find tons of bodies of ourselves from different worlds

[royal crow]

yes

but X timelines make A timeline

its just one timeline made of multiple

it should follow the same rules as any other timelines

[eternal talon]

The mwp isn't the holy grail--as long as they weren't all in the exact same spot, they should all just move over, same with the bodies, no?

[placid monolith]

yeah wait if we find the ones bodies and stuff, theoretically we could find alternate-

yeah that

is there a time difference between timelines

[eternal talon]

Depends but yes, usually

[placid monolith]

ok so basically

they would absolutely be in dif places

bc the earth moves as it rotates and revolves around the sun

[eternal talon]

That's technically not how the spaghettificiation works...

Because we've got destination terrain underground on earth

[placid monolith]

i just mean position vs position wise

[eternal talon]

But destination is a planet in the butterfly nebula 3k light years away

The entire galaxy by that logic should be getting fucking HAMMERED

[placid monolith]

yeahhhh

[eternal talon]

Stars appearing where they never were, black holes, random bits of empty space suddenly being in the center of planets, etc

Chaos

[placid monolith]

i meannn.. technically with any time difference, that should be the case

actually no, even without the difference lmao

things would be.. silly...

[eternal talon]

that streetlamp is now the center of a super-novaing star

[placid monolith]

mhm

atoms would literally tp inside of eachother and split

and everything would fucking implode

[eternal talon]

spaghettification

🍝

[placid monolith]

guh

[eternal talon]

The writers at 10cc were high on something else

Also this is just more..

what if kds-deep was built 6 meters to the left in one universe so now there is an entire nother perfectly intact teleporter

(Disregarding the teleporters in other expeditions like r6b1 and r6d1)

I think... it's "somewhat limited"

Since it's only about a dozen total worldlines merging

And not all of them

[placid monolith]

erm.. hmm

there should be multiple mwps then.. hopefully