gtfo-lore

[eternal talon]

it's got a white stripe

[ionic dune]

Both are cutie pies

[eternal talon]

she likes to stalk.

(my pfp)

[ionic dune]

She’s hunting you

Blocking traffic

[eternal talon]

she has really really short legs.

it's impossible not to laugh when she tries to jump

[ionic dune]

😭🙏

Mine uhhh

[eternal talon]

she's built like a wiener dog

[ionic dune]

Does this sometimes

[ionic dune]

😭🙏

Blurred one is him hunting

[long glacier]

#408196129470152706-cat

[ionic dune]

Petition for them to add a cat channel

Petition for cats to be introduced in GTFO

[eternal talon]

#pet-pics

[ionic dune]

No but dedicated for only cats

[gray bone]

Sometimes I wonder just how big this server was for there to be so many different chats

[eternal talon]

it's an old game.

[ionic dune]

And the ones I have customized to be in always are white

Kinda

On the daily someone at least posts in pets or food, all of the GTFO chats usually are posted every hour or so, GTFO general and help is more frequent and tech and wiki I’ve not been paying attention to

[vagrant forum]

why does 71d1 have overload but not secondary?

[next panther]

bc their idea of overloads for the game were "adding a modifier to the expeditions"

so the current overload didnt fit secondary in their eyes

[loud urchin]

i don't think this is true, and is more likely to be conjecture from a bunch of people in the community

[next panther]

I was told this by the devs

[loud urchin]

and even then, half of it is just error alarms which isn't too much of a modifier

[loud urchin]

BUT R4B2 B3 WHAT THE FUCK

[next panther]

b2 fits it

i cant remember b3

[loud urchin]

ah yes going and finding 5 osips surely modifies this mission

doing 2 s1 scans, an alarm, a blood door, and a terminal command surely modifies this mission

[next panther]

oh

i messed upp the objectives

yeah idk

[loud urchin]

r4c2 c3 it just starts error alarms

[next panther]

but thats what they said to me

[loud urchin]

r4d2 is another error alarm

tbh i can't remember r4a2, that was another error alarm wasn't it

and so is r4a3

[next panther]

yeah

so they kept to it in most levels

[loud urchin]

then for r5 uhhh

r5a2, much modifier

r5a3 i guess was the fog that's pretty meaningless

b1 was a reactor

b2, more fucking osips

c2 was thunderdome

so ya it doesn't stick exceptionally well

[wanton moss]

What does “adding a modifier” mean?

Like, doing secondary changes Main route? Like adding/removing fog/gas, error alarm, darkness?

Also I think you meant to say secondaries, right? Cause in R4B2 Variscite Sec Obj starts error that lasts the entire level. I think R5A2 sec obj turns off the lights for the whole level. Although I guess R4C3 Overload starts constant charger wave after HSU scan. Or did I mix that up with secondary?

Maybe I should stop idk

[next panther]

No i meant to say overload

i think they just didnt really stick to it that well

[wanton moss]

Yeah I was getting confused thinking about it. Been watching a lot of recordings lately and was like “this one fits, this one fits, that one doesn’t, wait, is that sec or over?”

[ionic dune]

Do woods and co know before they get teleported that they will get teleported for the first time? Their reaction seems non existent

[raw terrace]

the lines got eliminated

they used to have dialogues

[ionic dune]

Does chatter reborn have the lines?

I listen thru that and uhh still seemed very like ”woah that happened, let’s continue like nothings unusual”

[raw terrace]

isnt there two lines one for going and one for coming back

but for example woods breathes heavily and says like "God bless us..."

maybs hackett just doesnt give a shit

[ionic dune]

And then ”did everyone get back” for woods

And that was all I heard when I manually imputed it

Is it cuz I didn’t get the rest of the lines from the bots?

[ionic dune]

Also fair enough on that part

I’d expected there to be like a ” where are we” type moment where they’re all talking to each other 🤷‍♂️

[raw terrace]

tbh thats not much this game either
but idk how the mod works so im not sure if ur missin lines

[ionic dune]

So far I’ve only gotten woods lines which is unfortunate as I think I need others with same mod to get the rest of the lines, also fair enough but it did feel quite tame

[raw terrace]

ur also in a team of 4 so consider ur groups own reactions on top

the voiceline there is moreso supposed to add to ur banter, ur own groups banter

while lines on r8 r7 are story focused for ur group to pay attention to

[ionic dune]

Oh fair, forgot for a sec that this is in fact a group effort game lol

[ionic dune]

Is Mr truths rant about the earthquake the mothership firing?

It’s in R6B2

[royal crow]

No

Thats just an earthquake caused by the long time crashed ship
After that earthquake a massive deposit of idk what element was discovered

Thats when and why Garganta was built

[ionic dune]

indium or sum like that

oh ok

[coral gorge]

indium lmao
Thats one hell of a name

[acoustic ferry]

All of these lines eliminated because “they didn’t want lore forced on them”

What a bunch of bullsh

[coral gorge]

Real

especially looking at R8

and R6D1

which all have lore „forced”

[acoustic ferry]

Im still figuring out how having character voice lines is forcing lore

Ignoring those door sections

[coral gorge]

Im still trying to figure out why they botched all the R6 lines

which where legit really cool

[acoustic ferry]

Which had mandatory 5 min logs or whatever

[coral gorge]

Oh yeah

thats valid that they moved those to terminals

cause those sucked

[acoustic ferry]

But they could have just added triggers that played them whilst you were just exploring

Now no one’s gonnna listen

[coral gorge]

I mean, i kinda got used to the logs on terminals formula

but some could be in the middle of the level

especially the Scheaffer ones

[acoustic ferry]

And I’m still figuring out who is this part of the player base that complained about that

Im yet to find one

[loud urchin]

it's a real element

but it was iridium here iirc

[acoustic ferry]

Can I play with others with the chatter reborn mod?

[gray bone]

Yes

[acoustic ferry]

Also how many voice lines were removed?

Like roughly

[loud urchin]

removed, or never implemented? either way people probably don't have an accurate answer

[acoustic ferry]

Removed

[eternal talon]

voice lines... i know in r5, at least, each character had a couple for their and others backstory logs...

so like 16

but i don't really know more than that.

[cunning light]

A few of them were replaced when the alt:// rundowns came out, I believe

Or maybe when the voice command system was implemented ? Around 1.0 ?

[eternal talon]

some people if i had to guess, prefered roleplaying as their ksos

and didn't want a characterized story

remember, back in ogr1-ogr2, there was practically zero identifiable information about the characters

[cunning light]

The idea behind the character chatter during gameplay was not bad, but it was quite hard for it to hit home

[eternal talon]

they were just inserts

and in regards to people not talking about it, it's an old, mostly settled issue.

it is what it is

[ionic dune]

Yea confused them cuz I thought it was a real element

[loud urchin]

both iridium and indium are real elements

[eternal talon]

this game, in its incredibly tiny niche, sells itself as a super hard coop pve experience

[ionic dune]

Oh well, I blame them sounding the same then lol

[eternal talon]

people i don't think came to it for the story ala dark souls, but the uniqueness

[eternal talon]

i can't tell you how many times remembering borderlands has fucked that up for people

[loud urchin]

there was something about an unknown substance being named something or other 77a iirc

but i couldn't tell you about that

[eternal talon]

cretasum 77a

or cretasium 77a

one of the two

[loud urchin]

ah

[eternal talon]

it is a partially iridium alloy.

[ionic dune]

I’ve only heard of indium until today so that’s why I thought it was indium

[eternal talon]

hyper strong alien metal

the ship's hull is made out of it.

it's what was detected on deep scans

i think the artifacts are also partially made of it

but dont quote me on that one

Cretasium 77a

The silicon resin does temporarily block the jump defect, so that has helped. It decays pretty quickly as the Cretasium eats through it, but it means we actually can touch the artifacts at least.

We’re looking into the possibility that the behavior of the artifacts may be inhibited or regulated in some manner by Cretasium 77A. It has been found in large quantities throughout the fossil and it’s the only material that does not disappear when introduced to the… hello? Hello? Dr. Hammerstein? Uhm… where was I? Uh… pause recording.

[ionic dune]

So it’s corrosive

Or whatever that one’s called

[eternal talon]

So, I took it upon myself to conduct a physical inspection of our FO network, and have found something I can't explain. In several locations (schematics attached) the optical cables have somehow enmeshed with the surrounding rock. I don't know much about geology, but the rock looks crystalline to me. Perhaps this is the Cretasium substance I have heard about? Whatever it is, it is enmeshing itself with the BIOCOM network infrastructure and affecting ping times. The system is running fine, but I thought you should know. I don't see how it could be considered a security risk, but there are places where our physical network is - for want of a better word - vulnerable.

[ionic dune]

Is this why you can’t ping across zones?

[eternal talon]

no, this is how biocom supposedly "hacked into" biocom.

all of the bulkheads were sealed far later.

oh

i can't read

[eternal talon]

maybe

i don't know

[ionic dune]

😭🙏 me when

[ionic dune]

Its a fair theory in my mind, only question is why query would work but not ping 🤔

[eternal talon]

We need to erase everything off the datacubes before we write new navigation components to them. Project Insight research indicates datacubes contain magnetized Cretasium platters and are susceptible to intense magnetic fields. That means a degausser should wipe all data on them.

[acoustic ferry]

It seems they didn’t know what to do with the characters and so when they realized they needed to have character development we already were at r6

[eternal talon]

r5, but yeah

[acoustic ferry]

Also id they’re inserts why even name them?

[eternal talon]

nonono

[acoustic ferry]

Why aren’t they just random prisioneirs

[eternal talon]

i'm saying they were treated as inserts by the community,

[ionic dune]

Is ALT r5 the first lore focused?

[eternal talon]

i'm not speaking for 10cc

[acoustic ferry]

Oh ok

[eternal talon]

even back then we knew bishop wrote code for the santonian industries website, and a couple other minor things

just not genuine backstories

that'd come far later

[ionic dune]

Did the Facebook page come later?

[eternal talon]

all we really had? was the official character descriptions

[eternal talon]

i'm entirely unfalimiar with this so cannot say.

i'm assuming the single-paragraph character discriptions were released extremely early on.

** BISHOP, FRANK GO-1395
A lifetime ago, Frank Bishop made a losing bet. He’d robbed, kidnapped, and trafficked in a bid for fortune and power.
This time, it was blackmail, but things didn’t go to plan. His target turned the tables, condemning him to years of brutal captivity.
The torture and deprivation he endured ended with Bishop suffering an even worse fate: Hydrostasis.
Now, unable to remember the man who destroyed him, he’s left with only the rage and mistrust that sustained his tragic existence.

HACKETT, AIDEN O-4711

The first person to admit Hackett isn’t cut out for this world is Hackett. Even as a child, his feral mind was a deadly force.
When he joined the military, discipline loosened the grip of his dark impulses, but nature always finds a way.
Inevitably, Hackett’s instinctive cruelty was unleashed on a peacekeeping mission that couldn’t have gone more wrong.
Clear-eyed about his actions, Hackett knew that redemption would cost him life as he knew it.

WOODS, ISAIAH F-2056

Isaiah Woods was a religious man of honor and courage who saw too much.
The brutality of combat changed him from a spiritual man to a ticking time bomb.
When his fuse finally burned down, he went on a rampage and justified it as divine retribution for the evils he saw around him.
Even now, with no memory of the carnage he wrought, he feels the presence of God flowing through him. Some fires burn too deep to smother.

DAUDA, ABEO T-3701

A brilliant young mind. A groundbreaking researcher. A pillar of the scientific community.
Nigerian-born psychopharmacologist Abeo Dauda was all of those things before his obsessive ambition broke his moral compass.
Dauda’s blindness to the human cost of his experiments made him indispensable to unscrupulous drug companies.
As long as they stayed out of his way, he didn’t question them.
By the time he realized the depravity of the people he worked for, it was too late.
**

[ionic dune]

I think there’s a command in the terminals that brings up a Facebook page

[acoustic ferry]

Even without remembering anything the og team still manage to be terrible people

[ionic dune]

Can’t remember if it was bishop or dauda though

[loud urchin]

FB was bishop

[ionic dune]

Aight

[ionic dune]

Don’t they have the same/very similar backstories (also they lose their memory after hydrostasis, and yea there’s a reason they’re in a prison)

[acoustic ferry]

Ogs are worse

For various reasons which I don’t know

[eternal talon]

by the tiniest margin

[acoustic ferry]

Did alt ever know they were talking to another Shaffer that was coordinating some other team?

[ionic dune]

Wasn’t it based on how they are when we are playing?

[acoustic ferry]

Before the Schaefer’s died

[ionic dune]

And when OG abandons alt?

[eternal talon]

yeah, the logs, as you mentioned, have minor differences, which could be argued to be more or less morale

but its roughly even

only a slight difference\

they are the same people, after all

[acoustic ferry]

Woods is still a psycho?

[ionic dune]

Aren’t all of them? (Maybe not bishop depends on if he’s actually guilty)

[eternal talon]

Woods
I know. I knew before you did. I am going where he needs me. I will be ready. When the plague comes, I shall be rescued from the lion's mouth, and he will lead us from the darkness. For though there may be many of me, he is one.
Interviewer
Well, we’ll see won’t we?
Woods
I will see. You will die.

---

Interviewer
And those marines were the enemy?
Woods
Yes! Or… Listen, I knew every one of them. Apostles of the devil, to a man. They celebrated it, rejoiced in the chaos of their deeds. I did give them a last chance to hear the word before their judgment, but they chose to remain deaf.
Interviewer
Did they laugh at you?
Woods
They did not seek forgiveness. That is what matters.

[ionic dune]

Isn’t that him being psychic?

[eternal talon]

him knowing future events, yeah

[ionic dune]

Eagle said psycho

[eternal talon]

thats this one.

[ionic dune]

Oh

Yea fair enough

[acoustic ferry]

Are those the two different logs from alt and og?

[eternal talon]

og:
Recruiter
Hmm. (deep breath) And those marines, I suppose they were the enemy.
Woods
Yes, I spoke to them, each and every one when they arrived in Larnica. These men reveled in the chaos. I reminded them to their oath to the lord, but they could not hear me.
Recruiter
(breath) Did they, didn't do nothing?
Woods
They offended GOD! I found them to be lost and without hope! The godless, on the slaves, on which upon hell is built. The godless have forgotten the commandment, the godless FEED the Devil! The question is, why weren't you there to kill them?

[eternal talon]

both from alt

#gtfo-lore message and #gtfo-lore message are og/alt versions of the same log, well, a snippet of it

i can post the full audio if you want

[acoustic ferry]

The main difference is that woods seems to give them a chance before he kills them in the alt version

Whilst the og one doesn’t

[eternal talon]

i mean... og "reminded them of their oath"

[acoustic ferry]

Oh yeah ur right

Then I don’t see a difference

[ionic dune]

Its mainly that og betrays alt

[eternal talon]

would alt:// have betrayed OG though?

[acoustic ferry]

That is the question

But the thing is

[ionic dune]

I do not remember lol, only that one did the other

[acoustic ferry]

I know ogs betrayed them, but they didn’t know if the alt team was going to die

That meant losing the cubes

[ionic dune]

Wait which side of r8 is alt and which is og?

[eternal talon]

left is alt:// right is OG

[ionic dune]

Cuz it’s right side abandons left side

[ionic dune]

Iirc*

[eternal talon]

no?

e1 dies.

e2 escapes

[ionic dune]

E2 is on right side?

[eternal talon]

an't read again

e2 is on right, yes

[ionic dune]

And E2 abandons to get out no?

[eternal talon]

apparently cant type either

[ionic dune]

Honestly

Im so confused rn

[eternal talon]

#gtfo-lore message

@acoustic ferry ALT://
Interviewer
Maybe you just need to go home for a bit? Get away from combat? I see your father is still alive? Perhaps you could visit him--
Hackett
Go home for a bit? What the fuck is wrong with you? Why the fuck would you ask me to go see my father when you have no idea what kind of man he is, or what the fuck I'm going to do to him if I ever see him again? Your job is to shuffle paperwork and make sure the pens don't run out of ink, love. Stick to your fucking lane. Now where do I sign before I run out patience with you?
Interviewer
Yes, of course. Follow me. End interview.

[ionic dune]

The nightmare path is not helping with my confusion

[eternal talon]

OG:
Interviewer
Maybe you just need to go home for a bit, get away from combat? I see your father is still alive. Perhaps you could visit hi-
Hackett
No I... can't do that. I got some bad memories from that place. I go back there, I'm pretty sure I'll shoot that fuckin' bastard in the head. (chuckles) Nah... No, I really think that this is the best way. I figure I'm gonna die on one of these missions anyway so, before I cark it, I'm thinkin' that this might be a bit of redemption, y'know? I mean... If I don't know who I am or what I've done, then am I still guilty, y'know? That, maybe if you wipe my fucking brain out I would come back better.
Interviewer
But you won't remember any of this.
Hackett
Look, if you're not gonna take me then just fuckin' tell me, alright? I don't have to be here, y'know.
Interviewer
Yes, of course. Your case is... fascinating. We will take you.
Hackett
Lovely. Good. Let's get on with it then.
Interviewer
Yes. Follow me. End Interview.

[eternal talon]

with what

[ionic dune]

Does alt betray OG?

[eternal talon]

no

OG betrays alt

[ionic dune]

Aight

Also why is there a nightmare path?

[eternal talon]

r8a2 secondary

you die at the end of it

[ionic dune]

Oooooh you meant like that yea mb I misinterpreted ur question

[eternal talon]

the plot can't continue if the characters are dead

[ionic dune]

Im thinking if I should do it or spoil it for myself

[eternal talon]

its a horrific spin on the evaluation

[ionic dune]

Apparently I can’t read either, thought you meant alt betrayed og😭

[eternal talon]

enemies you'll never see anywhere else

its neat

[ionic dune]

Huh

[eternal talon]

not much else

[ionic dune]

I might go and do it if I can complete it with bots

Don’t think people generally go for that secondary

[eternal talon]

bring at least one scattergun.

[ionic dune]

That scattergun is gonna be on me

Cuz fuck the bots respectfully

Friendly fire as if we look like sleepers

[ionic dune]

Seems like OG is controlling his emotions better

[ionic dune]

Also prolly gonna take two months or so to get good enough to actually do that level but idk, I put a lot of prestige on higher rundowns rather than the tiers (even tho it’s not working like that)

[acoustic ferry]

Alt seems much more aggressive

[acoustic ferry]

Nightmare path?

[ionic dune]

Apparently r8a2 secondary is a diff path, team dies on it so yanno it just start and stops there

[acoustic ferry]

The ogs ?

Or alt

[ionic dune]

I think it’s the alt

Iirc r8a2 is on the left side

But alt is essential for OG and OG is essential for alt

[vagrant forum]

afaik r8a2 sec is a completely different timeline

not og or alt

[eternal talon]

Eh, neither worldline 'exists' anymore as of r8, they've all merged into one, but yes

R8A2 is set in the nightmare worldline

I don't think it's fully merged with the others into r8 at this point, like destination wasn't

So the teleport is justifiable

[ionic dune]

Fair

[ionic dune]

But they split from alt right?

[gray bone]

I believe the general consesus is that nightmare is just another team

WIth no particular inclination towards either OG or ALT

[ionic dune]

Oh so when they drop it’s another team?

[gray bone]

Afaik they simply aren't part of the discussion as a team that really interacts with the lore outside of that one mission

Since you know, at the end they do die

[ionic dune]

Yea

Well

I’ll have to play it

[honest summit]

One of the Moderators that is Close to devs described it as "What If Prisoners took a wrong Turn"

[ionic dune]

Fair enough (I have trust issues with you specifically)

[honest summit]

[honest summit]

#gtfo-lore message

[ionic dune]

Fair

[honest summit]

riddle me this, in R8B3 we hear the B2 Dialoge First, but how can it be First If we have Not accuired the DCs From B1 yet

Unless, its Not in real time, but a pre prepared recording that we have triggered

[coral gorge]

Yeah its an issue

Its wrongly done

[plush nest]

Pretty squishy metal, can chew it as well

[ionic dune]

oh yea thats why i remember it lol

[worn rivet]

Time anomly would be the best explantion i can give.

[coral gorge]

me when the devs themselves get confused about their timeline and fuck shit up

[ionic dune]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/585063132553281556/1205962700182659133/real_speach.gif

[raw terrace]

my theory was the data cube travel between b1 and b2 changed our times

[royal crow]

Wdym times?

Worldline travel isnt time travel

🤔

[raw terrace]

idk red world shenanigan

[ionic dune]

the log with a guy locking himself in an HSU, is he Schaeffer and who is Art?

[worn rivet]

Do you have a voice clip for it or was it a text log.

[ionic dune]

both, ill send the text log

[worn rivet]

Okay, i will be able to figure it out from their

[ionic dune]

or well, i dont have a recording software

[worn rivet]

I...dont know

There's 3 people it could be

[ionic dune]

its fine ill ask frostty when i see him online

or you could tell me those 3 for now

[worn rivet]

1 is henrikson, not likely but it could be, 2 and 3 are the 2 versions of schaffer, most likely option.

[ionic dune]

who is henrikson again?

also its on r6b2

forgor to say that

[worn rivet]

He's orignal schaffers assitant, who's control chip schaffer deactivated, and in r8 after saying he will help the prisoners cause of the meltdown plab, got beaten to death with a metal pipe.

[ionic dune]

wasnt the guy that got beaten to death in r7a1 or was that a diff person?

[worn rivet]

In the last mission we hear him, you can find his id covered in blood and the pipe in a room nearby where the audio plays, also the next mission schaffer says "Henrikson! Henrikson! Oh yes, Well what's done is done start the test prisoners." From my knowledge, no that's the wardens conduit

[eternal talon]

this is schaeffer

art is his best friend

er, was his best friend

[ionic dune]

oh ok tyty, it did sound like him

[ionic dune]

does woods say "alright got no surprises" or "alright god, no surprises" when he enters a room? (no bio on woods)

[worn rivet]

does he sound to have a british accent or a diffrent kind of one.

[ionic dune]

hes the one we are playing as

[raw terrace]

woods is a northamerican man

[worn rivet]

Then it's not bishop, so maybe

[ionic dune]

also woods is the only one that believes in a god so yanno

[worn rivet]

that is a good point, probably is woods

[ionic dune]

also its or that i was asking not whom

[worn rivet]

huh

[ionic dune]

idk if its "alright got no surprises" or "alright god, no surprises"

[worn rivet]

Second one fits the god aspect with him being relgous and all of that, first onehmm.

[ionic dune]

yea cuz i can make sense of both, its just which one it is that im pondering over

[worn rivet]

I wonder if radation can effect those turned by the parasite and NAM-V

[worn rivet]

I would love to get my hands on a version of the virus that cant kill to see what it could do to creatures.

Imagine the potential

The advancments

[ionic dune]

Dauda is that you lol?

[warped bloom]

schaeffer

[honest summit]

Hammerstein

[worn rivet]

IT'd be fun

[worn rivet]

I wonder why the warden or schaffer didnt try and blow the complex up instead of whatever plans they were running on.

like a solid chunk of their problems would've been solved

[coral gorge]

wdym

the warden wants the complex to exist

or atleast, for the time being

[worn rivet]

If not all of it even a little bit of the complex being gone would've stopped alot of stuff.

[coral gorge]

and alt scheaffer wanted to save himself and others from nam-v, which the surface is also kinda fucked

[coral gorge]

i mean… when? Like at the very beginning of the outbreak?

aso just as a side note, you would prolly need a fully size nuke to blow up the complex

its city sized after all

[worn rivet]

yeah, at the begining of the outbreak minimizing what it can reach or stopping it would've helped.

like depending where you destroy, could've stopped it's spread for a time

[coral gorge]

i suppose the warden needed the equipment
Also in OG the warden does manage to limit the spread of nam-v

or atleast the parasite

which doesnt escape in OG

[worn rivet]

That parasite that bonded with NAM-V is intresting

[coral gorge]

yeah thats a very interesting thing
Also pretty cool

makes it way more interesting that its 2 diffrent things, so you can have nam-v without the parasite and vice-versa

[royal crow]

I do not think nuking a underground facility with a virus would actually help

Chances of it getting out are high

[coral gorge]

I mean, do we know wether radiation kills nam-v?

i forget if they tested that

[royal crow]

Even if they did

[coral gorge]

overall, the best they could count for was to burry the complex

[royal crow]

It would still get out eventually

[royal crow]

Place a giant rock in front like the Mayans did with the ship

Problem solved

[coral gorge]

you would have to hope that:
All sleepers get turned to ash
The parasite is dead
And nam-v dies out on its own

[coral gorge]

real

[royal crow]

Considering how Nam-V survived billions of years, i don't think some radiation will kill it

Or even die on its own

At all

[coral gorge]

Its a virus
Without a host it WILL die

eventually

[royal crow]

eventually

[coral gorge]

and radiation should ensure no new hosts enter the environment

[royal crow]

Yeah i think it dies in 5 weeks without a host?

I forgot

[coral gorge]

(except possibly humans)

[coral gorge]

we know it dies without an alive host due to HSU

where the pod „kills” you, so nam-v also dies

[royal crow]

Yeah but what i wanted to say is that it dies in 5 weeks on the environment without any external influence

I forgot if it was 5 weeks or not

[coral gorge]

I dont remember ngl

i think 5 weeks was the time it takes to kill a person?

frosty would have to answer that

[royal crow]

Going to the original question

Nuking the complex is not a solid idea

[coral gorge]

Or atleast, not perfect

you’d prolly need a couple nukes

since i imagine nukes have a way smaller radius of damage when detonated underground

• high risk and whatnot

[honest summit]

Tbh it would Just make the entire structure collapse, crushing everything under the weighth of the earth

[worn rivet]

I doubt anything under the destructive explosion of a nuke could destroy the sheer size of garganta and it's levels

[honest summit]

at its prime, probably. but since it is a swiss cheese because of those shafts, it is much less stable

[worn rivet]

Spinny chairs are fun

to use as weapons

[eternal talon]

you'd need much bigger given it is underground.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underground_nuclear_weapons_testing

[eternal talon]

we do not.

but i'd think humanity would try anything to kill it, including radiation therapy

(ala cancers)

i suppose it'd depend on the level of radiation

but ultimately we don't know.

[eternal talon]

pretty much

[eternal talon]

it did so with the parasite, and sleepers. hosts from within the ship, and the destination infected had the floaters/kraken

[eternal talon]

it is fatal within 5 weeks. it can live on surfaces for... let me actually check that

subjects exposed to locations that had been contaminated up to 4 weeks prior to exposure still
contracted the virus.

so slightly less.

about a month

[worn rivet]

hmm

I wonder what kinda stuff the parasite can do other then make sleepers.

[wanton moss]

Show me the infected animals!

Go all Resident Evil on me!

[raw terrace]

me when the dog

[plush nest]

Didn’t it survive in space?

[ionic dune]

Inside of Aliens who were on a ship (afaik), it prolly has increased radiation resistance but barely anything living is safe from extreme radiation

[eternal talon]

For a time on the drifting derelict, yes, but the ship was likely still mostly pressurized until it crashed

[tough wave]

The Complex is under the ocean/gulf of mexico partially, isn't it?

[eternal talon]

yes/no

Garganta's main entrance, where the dig started, is just outside of the town of Ixil

the complex was dug straight down from this point, probably with elevators, horizontal lifts, trams, etc

and it continued this way for a long time

[tough wave]

Isn't Ixil right on the Yucatan peninsula?

[eternal talon]

after hammerstein's expedition triggered the blasts and the holes were opened up,

https://www.google.com/maps/place/97343+Ixil+Municipality,+Yucatan,+Mexico/@21.1539065,-89.4913036,15z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m6!3m5!1s0x8f55d68518c3dc8d:0x65b2468b6201ec1e!8m2!3d21.1523747!4d-89.4818193!16s%2Fg%2F122x8d7r?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDMxOC4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

[tough wave]

Yeah, it is

[eternal talon]

there are hundreds of holes. most either breached the surface (where there was land) or stopped just short of the seabed (under the sea)

one of these holes under the sea, a few kilometers off the coast, would become the new primary entrance

[tough wave]

I think your best move would be flooding Garganta, if you want to destroy it.

[eternal talon]

with sea walls built up and helipads/buildings, that portion of the ocean floor would be drained, and the hole exposed

that is the hole where the daylight team etc entered the complex.

of all exposed holes, most had infrastructure built into them to make moving cargo and personnel easier

these are the holes/loading screens we drop into the complex in

[eternal talon]

maybe, but that carries risks aswell

nam-v already made it to the UK via ocean currents

[tough wave]

Oh, sure.

[eternal talon]

sea water and ocean life flowing down could just spread it worse

sleeperized fish

[tough wave]

Destroying the place in any regard is like, unfeasible in that manner

[eternal talon]

in ~2059, the warden sealed all of the exterior bulkheads/doors.

[tough wave]

Nam V is super invulnerable best virus ever with no counterplay except Mayan obsidian swords

[eternal talon]

as it stands, it is sealed

[tough wave]

I don't think dropping a nuke on the complex would cleanse it either

[eternal talon]

in ALT:// the parasite had already made it out by this point (so kinda pointless) but in OG it successfully prevented the spread of the parasite from leaving the complex

[eternal talon]

no it's too deep and too wide

garganta is fucking huuge

[tough wave]

Yes

I am aware

I mentally picture Garganta like Levant Mine

Just a lot bigger tbh

[eternal talon]

^ maps

[tough wave]

(Levant Mine)

Just some sprawling underground hellscape

That keeps going in more directions

[eternal talon]

pretty much.

[tough wave]

Ramped up to sci fi slave labor size

[eternal talon]

the deeper down it is mostly mineshafts

further up is living quarters, offices, labs, cafeterias, etc

it would easily have a population of over 100k on-site permanently

it had 32,000 KSOs

that's 3 security officers for every 10 people.

that ratio seems a bit high

but then again KOVAC moved their headquarters there, to KDS-DEEP

[tough wave]

Tbf I imagine the KSOs existed primarily in their beds

[eternal talon]

so its possible the number is even higher

[tough wave]

Good for storage space solutions

Does GTFO ever explain exactly what hydrostasis does

Or what like

[eternal talon]

yes

hydrostasis essentially functions as follows:

[tough wave]

Conditions have to be promoted inside that pod to create the environment for it?

[eternal talon]

1: you and everything inside is killed (including bacteria that would rot your corpse).
2: you are suspended in amniotic fluid
3: you are pumped with chemicals and otherwise preserved.
4: when needed to be woken, you are "revived" and administered hydrokinetic fluid to prevent your muscles and organs from melting/degrading.

that's why it works to kill the virus

[tough wave]

So what part of that kills NAM-V?

[eternal talon]

everything dies.

**The breakthrough that Kovac Research hopes will answer these questions
is called Hydrostasis - a process that allows humans to be held in a
state of suspended animation for weeks, months, even years at a time
without suffering any ill-effects. The nuts and bolts of the process
are a closely guarded secret, but sources speculate that the procedure
likely uses a synthetic amniotic fluid to sustain and protect the body
while it is in an induced comatose state. In this state, the body is -
for all intents and purposes - dead, but no cell deterioration or
physical decay occurs. For the human in Hydrostasis, the heart, and
time, stops.
**

[eternal talon]

step 1

hydrostasis isn't cryostasis

it preserves your corpse then brings you back to life... somehow

[tough wave]

But like

Alright

So if you're in a pod and they fill it with amniotic fluid that doesn't like "kill you"

It would suck

[eternal talon]

you'd drown

but we don't have any records of the pod failing like that

(though if it did happen, it'd make sense KOVAC would cover it up)

[tough wave]

So does NAM-V drown with you then?

Or

[eternal talon]

like pretty much everything else

[eternal talon]

you don't drown from the amniotic fluid

amniotic fluid is like womb fluid

its the same term

that babies are in before being born

[tough wave]

Ik, I'm the person you talked to about this entire process before

[eternal talon]

we don't know how it kills you and everything else

it just does

[tough wave]

I see

So

It kills NAM-V and you "somehow"

[eternal talon]

and then only revives you

[tough wave]

In a way that you can't nessecarily properly explore

[eternal talon]

granted, it isn't a cure, and leaving hydrostasis you are likely to immediately get reinfected again

if dauda and schaeffer are anything to go by, it'd also forcibly implant you with a KSO control chip

[tough wave]

Also fwiw liquid breathing doesn't nessecarily kill you, just in GTFO it does

[eternal talon]

that and the memory loss... it's not exactly a great solution

[tough wave]

I'm not saying it's the solution per say, but it implies NAM-V either drowns, or dies to some chemical solvent, or can't sustain without a living host

[eternal talon]

we know it can only survive without a host on surfaces for a matter of four weeks

it isn't immortal on its own, like it is with the parasite

the immortality is something related to their symbiosis

[tough wave]

So you seperate the virus from the host which is simple till things like Pablo

[eternal talon]

yes and no...

according to cdc, on the surface at least, it was basically impossible to do so

[tough wave]

Lmfao I got automodded

[eternal talon]

even if your immune system beat it back, the virus would go dormant within you, mutate itself, and hard counter you

[tough wave]

If Kovac wasn't a donkey grim dark sci fi company they'd have just made robots for this

What's NAM-V gonna do to a robot?

[eternal talon]

KSOs are basically biological robots. we are slaves, kidnapped from US prisons. they don't care

[ionic dune]

(average profit driven cooperation moment)

[eternal talon]

well, thats not entirely true

they cared enough that they started working on RISE, because of how fast they were losing KSOs

[tough wave]

I'm saying wires and metal wouldn't prove a suitable host

[eternal talon]

but RISE is just making KSOs faster

[eternal talon]

i agree

but maintenance would be a bitch

because nam-v would just sit on the robots for a month before anybody could get close to them

[tough wave]

Would it really be more of a bitch then using a human body? Whether or not GTFO acknowledges it Bishop is gonna need knee replacements and neosporin shots

[eternal talon]

both suck

i'm not sure which sucks more

[tough wave]

The one that proves to be a suitable host

[eternal talon]

right, but how do you know a robot is safe?

[tough wave]

I get why Kovac is the way it is

For atmosphere and lore

[eternal talon]

you'd have to clearly identify each robot as each, and...

you couldn't make them all look the same

[tough wave]

Why not?

[eternal talon]

that's a disaster waiting to happen

i thought it was clean!

[tough wave]

Sharpie numbers on their heads

[eternal talon]

this one was one that was in the infected zone yesterday!

i didn't know!

[ionic dune]

sounds like one of those intercepted messages

[eternal talon]

there is also a thing with that...

they didn't.

when a KSO was unusable, they salvaged it

cut it up, used the organs for transplants,

stored the meat in freezers

if you can't fight, you get recycled

we aren't humans in the eyes of kovac

we are tools.

[tough wave]

How is that functionally different from using a robot except for the fact that you want to use people

Kovac was just run by a moron tbh

[ionic dune]

you dont need to spend resources to code it and stuff, less prone to buggs

[eternal talon]

idk. you could argue some moral reason, using inmates

whereas robots werent ever evil

[tough wave]

Just gotta wait years for one

[eternal talon]

the overwhelming majority of KSOs were US prison inmates and undesirables.

[tough wave]

There is no moral justification for using an inmate for this tbh

[eternal talon]

our quad are mostly a band of outliers

[tough wave]

Whatever someone did in prison it isn't morally worse then what kovac is doing to people

Qualifying anything as "undesirable" then taking its right to do anything is uh

Morally reprehensible

[eternal talon]

i used the term undesirables mostly for cases like bishop

the in-lore answer is inmates

[ionic dune]

sort of, prisons are filled with people and sure you have to "break" them but its easier than coding a robot (then comes the question to if you could copy paste the code), also cheaper which in the eyes of kovac is prolly what they want

theyd prolly get paid by prisons to take their inmates

[eternal talon]

chucking them in a box for two years i wouldn't really qualify as "breaking them"

its passive

just don't lose power

[ionic dune]

🤷‍♂️, even if its passive you still break them

[eternal talon]

you gotta love the US for-profit prison system

(not a joke, that is how it works in the US)

[ionic dune]

yea ik

watched a documentary about it during english class like three years ago

[eternal talon]

slave labor is still legal in the US... the exception written is for inmates

like, straight up

it makes sense kovac would get their slaves from here

[ionic dune]

i think we watched the same documentary lol

[eternal talon]

probably not, i just know this from trivia

[ionic dune]

oh

nvm then

[eternal talon]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penal_labor_in_the_United_States

[ionic dune]

average US moment (everything for profit)

[eternal talon]

its genuinely awful

[ionic dune]

yea

[eternal talon]

there is a reason why the US has the highest prison population in the world

[tough wave]

Tbf if you wanna model this off the current us they'd be sending Tesla RobotsTM to Kovac to combat NAM-V

Then they'd combust down there and Musk would pretend it's fine

[eternal talon]

(and it isn't crime)

[ionic dune]

when profit meets living standards

[tough wave]

Hey, did you know the word officer comes from overseer?

[eternal talon]

in latin, officiarius, from official

[tough wave]

Weird when you consider that along with the predominantly black youth imprisoned in America

Or yes the fact that prisoners are used as free labor to make all sorts of textiles and other things in America

I am acutely aware of this country's issues tbh

[eternal talon]

i can tell, you have a they live discord profile

[tough wave]

Good movie

[eternal talon]

i agree.

[tough wave]

Bill Hicks pfp tho fwiw

[ionic dune]

whats fwiw?

[tough wave]

For what it's worth

[eternal talon]

for what its worth

[ionic dune]

oh ok tyty

[eternal talon]

gtfo's story is predominately built on capitalist greed... and idiocy

[tough wave]

Nah ill take that as an answer for why they do what they do

Boston Dynamics would've diffed the hell outta GTFO tho

[eternal talon]

the merida earthquake, burning of the red cross workers,

digging too deep for billions of dollars of iridium,

[tough wave]

Chappie solos

[eternal talon]

ignoring quarantine procedures,

hell, dr. richtofer losing his eye after trying to force an artifact into a crusher

idiots all around

[ionic dune]

like a hydraulic press?

[eternal talon]

**Incident Description

Artifacts taken from L18-AT06 were delivered to the MSL for analysis. After cataloging the samples and performing several surface scans, myself and Dr. Richtofer agreed that the material was unknown to us and proper analysis required breaking one of the artifacts down so a full spectroscopy could be performed. Dr. Richtofer placed one of the artifacts into the Jaw Crusher. The machine, though functioning perfectly well, had no effect on the artifact at all. It remained intact and untarnished despite the crusher operating at full power.

Dr. Richtofer attempted to force the sample into the crusher, but in doing so the artifacts lodged between the crusher plates, causing the mechanism to overload. The hydraulic hoses driving the vibrating plate shattered, and the flying debris hit Dr. Richtofer in the left eye, causing a globe luxation.

We replaced the Doctor’s eye as quickly as possible, but it is likely that his vision will be lost, The artifact remains unbroken.

Actions taken after the incident

Dr. Richtofer has been placed on medical recovery (on-site). A new crusher has been ordered. The artifacts have been sent to SMC headquarters off-site for further analysis.**

Location of Incident: Material Spectroscopy Laboratory

[ionic dune]

how does one "open" an artifact?

[tough wave]

Fun fact, globe luxation is a nice way to say "eyeball hanging out"

[eternal talon]

the ones we pick up during expeditions. they've got stuff inside them

have a closer look next time you play

[tough wave]

You can see it inside em actually, if you have good eyes or a thermal scope

Opening tho?

[ionic dune]

huh, never noticed

[tough wave]

Idfk

[ionic dune]

zombie moment

[eternal talon]

its like marbles that have trinkets or dye inserted into the center

[tough wave]

It's the easiest on the purple or orange ones

[tough wave]

Sometimes it looks like tequila worms

[ionic dune]

the bold and smth smth smth

[tough wave]

The oranges have a lot of those

[eternal talon]

oddly enough, those aren't parasites. the parasites are desribes as resembling parasitidae, a family of ticks here on earth

the worms are something else

[tough wave]

The worms are worms

[eternal talon]

maybe not earthworms tho

pun

[tough wave]

It's not like we're getting an answer anyway

[eternal talon]

no, likely not.

[tough wave]

I really wish the devs kept with it for like

2 more rundowns?

[eternal talon]

DoW likely exists somewhere in the gtfo multiverse.

[tough wave]

The rundowns only get better as I actually play through them chronologically, and I'd like a bit more lore

[eternal talon]

i'd be surprised if we don't get easter eggs

[ionic dune]

i wished they made a bit easier lor efocused

[eternal talon]

technically
chronologically would be r7 r1 r2 r3 r4 r5 r6 r8

[ionic dune]

i skipped from end of r2 to r6 cuz im bad

[eternal talon]

because of the OG/ALT split

[tough wave]

Don't want Easter eggs tho, want info like Dr. Big Flumpus is the reason Hel Tech was micronized, or I want to see an alien

[tough wave]

Should've numbered em like that then

[eternal talon]

we never even get to see the ship

[tough wave]

I'm on R4E1 rn, wanna PE it

[eternal talon]

no,,, like,

[ionic dune]

they were released at diff times

[eternal talon]

GTFO originally was a FOMO game

[tough wave]

No I understand what you're saying

[eternal talon]

the original rundowns, the orig...

oh okay.

[tough wave]

I know what it was originally like

The OGs felt like uh

Trial and error segments for them?

[eternal talon]

r7 is the last remaining rundown of the original worldline still in the game

though all of og is still canon

[ionic dune]

and left side of r8?

[tough wave]

Yeah, multiverse stuff

[eternal talon]

yeah, but r8 is 🍝

[tough wave]

Can I say I hate multiverse stuff?

[eternal talon]

i wouldn't consider it OG or alt://

[ionic dune]

nightmare lol

[eternal talon]

eh, i thought it was really good pre-r8.

it was all background lore stuff with the collectors and how they got here and what they were up to

destination, while a different worldline, was mainly just a different planet

[tough wave]

I just don't like mutliverses as a prevalent plot device, they feel like the sci fi equivalent of "magic" nowadays

[eternal talon]

it could have existed in our universe and the only thing that would change would be the time

[eternal talon]

it is a bit hands waivey, true

easier to explain plot holes.

[tough wave]

Yes

[ionic dune]

why does some infected become shooters, some chargers, some pablo etc?

[tough wave]

I like hard sci fi a lot more then soft sci fi

[eternal talon]

2 things.

1. depends on the host, their physical biomass, genetics, etc

[tough wave]

Iirc the difference between shooters and strikers is reproductive anatomy of the host

[eternal talon]

2. the subspecies of parasite

different parasite subspecies tend to favor certain sleeper mutations

[ionic dune]

oh yea shooters are female no?

[tough wave]

That is what I was told

[ionic dune]

fair enough

[tough wave]

Strikers are male

[eternal talon]

**### Entry: Gallus {genus}
Poss. intro? fix end bit
/quote
There are cross-species behavioral distinctions that separate all species within the genus. The dark-skinned variants tend to be more active hunters, suggesting the darker pigmentation is a product of natural selection. They are harder to see and therefore more successful predators. The light skinned breed are still vicious and will attack at the slightest provocation, but they do not seek the prey as actively, they are more disposed to sedentary, almost somnific, behavior. They wait, and strike when roused.
/quote

Entry: Gallus Reptus

Paragraph on:

• Reptus show little signs of intelligence beyond their predatory instincts. Clarify the intraspecific devolution theory?
• possibility of structured hierarchy among the pack, and the role of Reptus in that hierarchy
• possibility that Reptus are a post-metamorphic stage of Jaculus? Note no confirmed sightings of Jaculus in a pupal state.
• NEED DNA SAMPLE

Entry: Gallus Jaculus

• more intelligent than Reptus, or given a more strategic role in the hive?
• what are the implications of emergent intelligence.
• potential human connection/influence. Mimicry or symbiont relationship with parasite?
• remove that woman from the team

Entry: Gallus Capreolatus

Name options:

• Capreolatus
• Cirrhus
• Pampinarii
• Clavicula
  Discuss tendril hypotheses :
• diphyllobothrium latum mimicry?
• siphonophore/zooids theory
• NEED DNA SAMPLE

Gallus Horridus

• advanced predation techniques
• purpose of keratinous growths unclear. does it charge under threat?
• NEED DNA SAM**

[eternal talon]

you are correct.

there are exceptions,

but that is the case in like, 99% of cases

[tough wave]

Oh

[eternal talon]

oh

i didn't read all the way

[tough wave]

Favorite animal mentioned

"Animal"

[eternal talon]

reproductive anatomy is fairly minor

[tough wave]

Siphonophores are stupidly cool, if you're unaware of them

[ionic dune]

remove that woman from the team
lol

[eternal talon]

for male/female strikers/shooters it is most likely due to physiology, due to changes from hormones etc

[eternal talon]

rebecca stokes.

one of the three leads of insight

[tough wave]

Tbh I didn't know how else to softball it

Without also getting into like

The philosophy of what makes people people

[eternal talon]

its like, big and muscular? giant/chicken/hybrid!

tanks and mothers aren't entirely natural mutations

there are inklings that partially dauda is responsible

[tough wave]

Iirc mother's are multiple people

So are tanks

Very dead spacey, tbh

[eternal talon]

two humans fused, yes. one male one female, the male serving like an angler fish, pretty much nothing but for sperm so the mother can breed shit tons of little ones that get infected by parasites in the womb. dark stuff

[tough wave]

That is kinda how I assumed that happened

It's logical

[eternal talon]

honestly not really. they only have one head.

[eternal talon]

this is what tends to cause me to bring up the fact slepeers aren't zombies

just the thought of that really brings out the horror

[tough wave]

Do mom's have more then one?

[eternal talon]

more than one what

[tough wave]

Head

[eternal talon]

not that i recall.

if it did, it would be on the underside

the male makes up the back legs and is sorta mostly dissolved/repurposed biomass wise

the mother is the front legs, head, and "wings"

[tough wave]

Then wouldn't only having 1 head not indicate the use of multiple corpses?

[eternal talon]

it is really a LOT like angler fish

the male is much smaller and becomes vestigial

[tough wave]

I do want to know how the bodies melded tbh

[tough wave]

Ik angler fish fwiw

I'm like, stupidly into biology but mainly marine bio

[eternal talon]

for tanks? yeah. only one person.

mothers are two.

[tough wave]

What makes tanks tanks then?

Or we don't know

[eternal talon]

both tanks, mothers, and snatchers were partially due to dauda's meddling/research

we don't know details because...

he's a KSO now

he can't tell us

and didn't make many recordings

[tough wave]

Tbf GTFO has a stark lack of details on these things

[eternal talon]

he has nightmares about his research tho

a couple logs about those

[tough wave]

They wouldn't tell you anyway

[tough wave]

Maybe stop?

[eternal talon]

hm?

[tough wave]

Maybe dauda should've stopped at some point

[eternal talon]

oh, yeah. he was a fucking monster.

lemme get those logs rq

[tough wave]

Clearly

Actually

He might be the worst one there

Woods and Hackett are just killers

Bishop iirc doesn't even have blood on his hands

[eternal talon]

**BISHOP, FRANK GO-1395
A lifetime ago, Frank Bishop made a losing bet. He’d robbed, kidnapped, and trafficked in a bid for fortune and power.
This time, it was blackmail, but things didn’t go to plan. His target turned the tables, condemning him to years of brutal captivity.
The torture and deprivation he endured ended with Bishop suffering an even worse fate: Hydrostasis.
Now, unable to remember the man who destroyed him, he’s left with only the rage and mistrust that sustained his tragic existence.
**

from official gtfo website

[tough wave]

I'd have to know who he was doing it to tbh

[eternal talon]

we have no idea.

[tough wave]

Frank Bishop might infact be a moral Paragon if it's the right people

[eternal talon]

that first bit is only mentioned in this text blurb

[tough wave]

Jude Akuwudike killed it as Dauda tbh

[tough wave]

Alright so, my take is that if Frank was screwing with people who could put him in a KSO hellscape, they probably deserved it and Bishop might be the best out of our 4 characters

[eternal talon]

morally bishop is the best, yes.

[tough wave]

And we'd be better off if Dauda went postal one day

[eternal talon]

killed half of the insight lab? eh.

hammerstein was a duche

but i think durant and stokes were pretty alright

[tough wave]

I am under the impression that anything that delays the outcome we got, even if it's by minutes, is a morally positive action

[eternal talon]

durant (in alt://) left to the jungle world. he and his team ended up the last living humans from the merged worldliines

durant (in og) died with his team on destination

[tough wave]

And before Durant did any of those things he was furthering Kovac's end goals, which end goaled Earth.

Which makes him a net negative on the planet

[ionic dune]

do we know why they died?

[eternal talon]

to be fair, insight was called in by dreyfus after santonian had already dug into the ship

[eternal talon]

something something the floaters picking them off one by one. i do not remember the log.

only bishop returned.

actually,

i dont think that log mentioned the floaters...

i remember it being weird

let me see if i can find it

[ionic dune]

is floaters meatballs?

[tough wave]

Iirc yeah

[eternal talon]

what the fuck... where the hell is this log

is the wiki missing one?

[ionic dune]

lol mb, started a treasure hunt

am like an NPC, gave frostty side mission

[eternal talon]

it was one of (two) logs talking about durant's expedition on destination

the first was on the r6b1 terminal at alpha two

where the fuck was the other one

[royal crow]

which log is it?

[eternal talon]

the one regarding hammerstein and co hiding in caves

talking about being picked off one by one

i'm trying keyword searches but can't find it

it was from sometime between ogr6 and ogr7

i remember talking about it a loooooooooooooooong time ago because the creatures in it seemed too intelligent to be floaters/infected

[royal crow]

god i fucking hate fandom

i click something and it brings me to the top of the page then down to somewhere that isnt what im looking for

[ionic dune]

idk what u mean i love requiring ad blocker to open it in public

[eternal talon]

i feel like i'm going fucking crazy

[ionic dune]

frostty is being greifed by fandom (or someone removing the log)

[royal crow]

if you actually take the time to read the lore section

you are going to lose it

[eternal talon]

search for the keyword "pack behavior"

[ionic dune]

im already losing it over all of the levels im too bad to clear

[eternal talon]

thanks 2022 artek

or "pack tactics"

"hunting tactics"

i'm gonna find this damn log!

😠

here is a bit from it: ""They took Peterson yesterday while we were resting in a cave. They must have been watching us all along. We had the entrance guarded and a rock wall to our backs but they still just… [breathing] plucked him out the middle of us. It’s possible that they’re using hunting strategies or at least they work together to… to… ""

from 2022 artek

where the fuck is the full log!?

This is Dr. James Durant. This may be my last entry from EF01. Only myself, Alice and all of the security officers are still alive; and I’m fairly sure that our survival is not their primary objective. They are protecting the data first, then us. Bishop keeps moving us but the creatures always find us. Even in the pitch black they can locate us with ease. They took Peterson yesterday while we were resting in a cave. They must have been watching us all along. We had the entrance guarded and a rock wall to our backs but they still just… [breathing] plucked him out the middle of us. It’s possible that they’re using hunting strategies or at least they work together to… to… [clears throat]. We are going to die here. That much is clear. We’ve lost the Quantum Tether to Garganta, and despite scanning the entire frequency range, there’s no signal. Control must be searching for us from their end but well heh… We don’t fully understand the Matter Wave Projector; damn fools. I have pleaded with Bishop to return to the landing zone because maybe there the original tether frequency will still work; he refuses. He just repeats his objective: Explore and cover as much ground as possible and wait until Control instantiates a Matter Wave for our return. Clearly, that’s not gonna happen but you can’t talk to him. You can’t talk to any of them. They’re robots.

^ i found it @ionic dune @tough wave

[ionic dune]

tyty

[eternal talon]

i had to go to the fucking github

for the textdatablock

[ionic dune]

lol

[eternal talon]

i don't even remember what we were talking about

[ionic dune]

^

Clearly, that’s not gonna happen but you can’t talk to him. You can’t talk to any of them. They’re robots.
i wonder if all the trauma finally got to them due to the fact that they havent hoped into HSUs in a while

[eternal talon]

what?

[tough wave]

KSOs aren't conversationalists

[eternal talon]

no. bishop was just like that.

[ionic dune]

oh

i meant the place u hydrostasis

[eternal talon]

we have more freedom under the warden than we did under biocom raw.

[royal crow]

i smell Bishop slander

[ionic dune]

that makes more sense

[tough wave]

They didn't need to be

[eternal talon]

bishop was stranded on destination, likely alone, for two years

[tough wave]

It's not a person anymore, it's a meat puppet

[eternal talon]

(given 85x1 and the time stokes says before he appeared back)

[ionic dune]

fair enough

[eternal talon]

pretty apt description.

[ionic dune]

wait did this happen before durant went into destination?

[eternal talon]

before who went in what?

[ionic dune]

yea mb

[eternal talon]

during.

time works differently there.

ef01 was "gone" for two weeks

time on destination is 85x slower

he lived through two years there

[royal crow]

the IT guy being better than 99% of KSOs

[ionic dune]

oh ok, did bishop or the others get lost or what happened? (mb if it says in the log im a bit nauseous)

[eternal talon]

bishop wasn't a part of our team then.

he was assigned to a different quad.

[ionic dune]

and that squad was among others durant?

[eternal talon]

durant, a dozen scientists, and a quad for escort.

[ionic dune]

oh its quad

huh, ig bishop has seen some things/been in solitude for way to long

[eternal talon]

he wouldn't remember any of it regardless.

[ionic dune]

fair

[eternal talon]

hydrostasis

[ionic dune]

you mentioned that dauda had nightmares, am i correct to assume that was before hydrostasis?

[eternal talon]

no.

the audio logs i posted way above

these are after.

remembering who he was before.

[ionic dune]

oh ok

[eternal talon]

when he would have time to sleep and thus have nightmares?
WHO THE FUCK KNOWS!

[ionic dune]

microsleep (wouldnt be enough time for dreaming though)

idk with how i play hed have like 15 mins whilst i pull up tutorials

plus he mightve been standing in a room to prevent spawns for like 20 mins

[topaz pebble]

In R6 7 and 8 I see some Rundown's name label with yellow text like R6A1 what does it mean ? ( I m still in R4C2 )

[raw terrace]

the yellow means its a more story focused mission

[topaz pebble]

so i can find some useful lore in that mission ?

I m very confused this game's lore

[raw terrace]

more than useful lore, a more focused story

or well- in some levels some lore is explained

mostly r6 i guess

[royal crow]

Read the lore for dummies doc in pins

It talks about the very basics of the game without spoilers

[royal crow]

Lore is everywhere in the game in the form of logs

They are mostly world building

The yellow levels have a bit more of "story action"

Usually dialogue

[topaz pebble]

wait OG timeline? Sorry I m about mostly new player. So now I m playing ALT Timeline?

Can I play OG ?

[royal crow]

Rundowns that start with ALT are the ALT timeline

Rundowns without ALT are OG

[royal crow]

Only R7 is available

When the game came out they used to remove the old rundowns

Now only OG R7 remains

ALT is the same but with small differences

The story is also different in some bits but its mostly the same

[topaz pebble]

When the game notice we have 2 timeline? If I did not see this channel , I might have never known.

[royal crow]

ALT Rundown 6 and Rundown 7

You'll notice it pretty fast with how a certain character acts

[topaz pebble]

So long

I m still at R4C2

[royal crow]

You can skip to Rundown 6

You won't miss anything

[topaz pebble]

one of my friend gave up this game haha

[royal crow]

||kidnap him||

:)

[topaz pebble]

He gave up since R2E1

[raw terrace]

thats what happen when u force trying to beat a level instead of skippin it

🐟

[topaz pebble]

very long run we died at the last door 3 times , we died many time till we know how to manage to the last door. I think 10 times +

We dont looking any spoiled we want to breakdown the rundowns by ourself. haha.....

my 2 friends say This game is the best Co-op FPS game ever in thier life ( same as me 🙂 )

[ionic dune]

in r6bx, is this the list of people who died/is alive?

[worn rivet]

hmm

[coral gorge]

its scheaffers list of who he could possibly wake up from HSU to help him

[ionic dune]

Oh ok tyty

[royal crow]

In a log in the same levels talks about people who can help him
In OG take out the warden
ALT help him

He mentions our team and a couple other people

[ionic dune]

Oh ok tyty, I’ll go log hunting when I play it

[worn rivet]

Gtfo's characters are strange.

[coral gorge]

i mean, pretty much everyone was a psycho to some degree

[worn rivet]

Well psycho, murder, sociopath, stupid.

[ionic dune]

They’re just silly

Also bishop saw an opportunity and took it

[worn rivet]

Wait, bishop?

He did alot of crimes/stuff that is morally grey at best.

[ionic dune]

The guy that tried to blackmail

[worn rivet]

Yeah that guy.

[ionic dune]

Yea he saw an opportunity to blackmail and gain stuff but didn’t go that well

(Joking btw)

[worn rivet]

He's one of the better members of the main team, by a slight margin.

[ionic dune]

I’d consider it by a large margin if he didn’t do the murdering part, still not a good person

[worn rivet]

Yeah, if your counting before gtfo's events/kso

[ionic dune]

He’s someone i wouldn’t be very uncomfortable with taking a drink, the rest I’m very uncomfortable with

[ionic dune]

What makes him worse during GTFO events/kso?

[worn rivet]

Mass murder, technically, illegal usage of firearms in a crime/during a crime, bio weaponry, many many counts of tresspasing, the list goes on.

[ionic dune]

Well

[worn rivet]

Not including abaiding a criminal, the other 3, during a crime.

[ionic dune]

Nvm then

[worn rivet]

No matter how you put it, he still commited at least 3 to 4 crimes, not including whatever interdimanisnoal ones he broke.

[ionic dune]

Yea doesn’t sound too good on his resume

[worn rivet]

Forgot mass kidnapping/theft of almost dead bodies.

[ionic dune]

Almost dead bodies?

[worn rivet]

During the og teams escape/fucking full force sprint from the complex during r8e2, after betraying alt team for the datacubes they had spent their entire half getting only to die in a sick last stand where they all embrace death and say their goodbyes to the ones near them, they activate a teleporter using the MWP and escape bringing along with them a ton of hsu's containing the half dead bodies of multiple kso's (fun fact the area we enter during r8e1 at the end is the same area just had the main area ripped out.)

It's got a name, ahh yes kds deep.

So yes mass kidnapping of almost dead bodies.

[ionic dune]

Oh

Well

Fair enough ig

[eternal talon]

i mean... kovac did get complete and total legal authority over the yucatan from the mexican government... so laws don't really apply.

**
Mr. Clinton,

As I mentioned in our original discussion (I have attached the Hearsay recording for your review), the Santonian employee contract is very clear on the punishment for entering restricted areas. Kovac Defensive Services have a comprehensive contract with both the Santonian Mining Company and the Mexican government that allows Kovac to establish martial law and “administrative punitive consequence” over any person within the exclusion zone. This is not just a company contract, it is national law.

All workers at Garganta and the surrounding area agree to these regulations when they sign their contract.

Andre Piros**

[eternal talon]

R5e1

[ionic dune]

I’m not one to consider ethics of duty as a good moral rule

[ionic dune]

That looks so menacing lol

[eternal talon]

R8e2

the vault is slightly different

if that is due to redesign or whatnot, i am unsure

r8e2's vault is much expanded.

[ionic dune]

R5e1 looks menacing in like a ”hero” way whilst r8e2 looks menacing in a ”villainous” way

[eternal talon]

r5e1 is the warden finally getting access to the 24,000 KSOs inside DEEP.

r8e2 is our valiant escape.

[ionic dune]

Huh, why didn’t the warden throw 24K KSOs at the same time to achieve their goal?

[eternal talon]

it might not have 24,000.

32,000 is just the total maximum capacity of garganta

8k outside deep, and 24k within

a considerable number probably died during the fall

regardless, we do conduct expeditions with other teams

r6c3 is a good example

us serving as a distraction for another team

[ionic dune]

Fair

[eternal talon]

as to why the warden didn't drop you in to r8e1 with several thousand KSOs as backup, i can't say.
other than 10cc not developing GTFO with npcs in mind

and performance reasons

[ionic dune]

Yea

Also prolly very chaotic

[royal crow]

Tbh it could be he didnt want to take any risks

[ionic dune]

And don’t think the ksos were trained to work in terms of armies

[royal crow]

Just get out the actual important people

The others can fuck off

[eternal talon]

why are we the "actual important people"?

especially after schaeffer died?

[ionic dune]

Yea and the others might’ve friendly fired

[royal crow]

Isnt ALT team another perfect team? Or close to it?

[eternal talon]

this question really is, why r8?

[eternal talon]

yeah

[ionic dune]

I still dont know why we are considered important with schaeffer, might come later in r6-r7

[royal crow]

Being realistic we are the ones that actually got a chance to survive

[eternal talon]

and yet leaving is futile given nam-v

it'd take days if not weeks of prep for a sterile environment

[ionic dune]

(Not the way I play lol)

[eternal talon]

we go in mid-fucking-error

[worn rivet]

I meant the area in r8e1 where we go through the door and see the place aflame and falling apart, I think is the area from r8e2

Cause we go through the door after the hold out while the cubes go through and boom, wreckage.

[ionic dune]

"dealing with them" is them being put in HSU to not remember what happened or just straight up killed?

[worn rivet]

it depends.

[eternal talon]

that's schaeffer and arty.

schaeffer's ID is C067.

and he wasn't killed or HSU'd.

schaeffer and phil decker.

[ionic dune]

oh ok