gtfo-lore

[worn rivet]

the spores and twisting sense of forboding like at any moment through the darkness something could just jump out at you, the hellish sight of an alarm door in the darkness, a sleeper stumbling towards you without your knowledge cause of the dark, the red beeming light of a checkpoint.

the looks of tanks stood there just being menacing and one of their rooms they are in during one of the og rundowns having piles of bodies and broken hsu's, mothers and their horrific spawn being there and the bigger fucking ones are worse, the creeping dread of not knowing what is near, even the small sleepers were fucking terrifying looking.

oh and the great sand dunes and sunshine of destination after being stuck in the horrifying darkness of garganta for so long.

which if we go by medical terms, would technically leave the og and alt teams that went there temproially blind due to medical stuff

[eternal talon]

destination came after the lighting engine changes...

what are you talking about

[worn rivet]

Oh it did

Still it looks good

[ionic dune]

the game looks like it could be a movie rn imo

[vagrant forum]

do you have pics of new vs old?

[worn rivet]

Give me like 20 minutes and I can find a few

[eternal talon]

og

alt://

same room, same ceiling

[worn rivet]

Ones got a darkened room with defined tendrils, ones bright fucking red and has a solid mass

[vagrant forum]

ok interesting

how much did it effect the general atmosphere and the look of the sleepers?

[eternal talon]

Just watch the *2017 trailer

https://youtu.be/-vSYJckIfi8?si=QTs9-i3H6DzOqY7w

[vagrant forum]

wow this game has changed so much

i like the aesthetics of the old gtfo

the gameplay looks worse but the lighting look better

[long glacier]

lowkey the game looks more steam punk

that old security door

[royal crow]

That trailer looks more like a concept trailer than a "world gameplay premiere"

[long glacier]

zero recoil guns 😹

[royal crow]

Listen

Its the future

[tough wave]

Guns have zero recoil now tbh

Go shoot a 5.56 AR-15

[raw terrace]

in the future we solved physics

[raw terrace]

love when people say stuff like this

ah yeah just lemme get it illegally cuz its eay easier than actually finding somewhere to do that

[tough wave]

Do you not have gun ranges?

[raw terrace]

the gun range is the street u grow up on

[tough wave]

I mean

Should be easy to do then, no?

[royal crow]

Let me ask my local cartel member

If i can use their guns for a test

Maybe i even get hired??????

[eternal talon]

Just "find" a couple pickup trucks for them

That usually works on the border

[raw terrace]

"hey buddy do u let me shoot ur highly illegal ar 15" surely works

[raw terrace]

i prefer dreyfus

[tough wave]

Employment opportunities are everywhere

[ionic dune]

Not everyone is ’MURICAN FUCK YEA (WTF IS A KILOMETEEEEEER)

[tough wave]

I didn't say you had to right now, just presented with the opportunity shoot one

Guns don't have as much recoil as you'd imagine

If someone wants to feel emotional duress over it that's on them

[raw terrace]

i mean i both imagine one gtfo weaponry is not designed just as nicely as a real life gun as they look improvised
seconds, two of our 4 main guys never had any real gun training

one is a psychopharmacologist

the others british

[tough wave]

I mean

I didn't either the first time I shot a rifle tbf

The GTFO guns look heavy tbh

Almost all of them have muzzle brakes or something along those lines too

[raw terrace]

if u did it right or semi-ok it still could go terribly for someone else
plus even if they have muzzle brakes or those added grips [which only some] i still imagine they are unbalanced and just sorta put together and i would imagine that matters more

funnily enough the lower recoil guns seem like the ones that would take more engineering as the burst cannon

or burst weaponry

[tough wave]

Depends on a lot tbh

You can overengineer the recoil out of a gun

The Kriss Vector is a really popular example of that

I have no idea what the burst cannon is tbh

The hel weapons are ETC tech which exists irl

[raw terrace]

burst cannon i think in the canon is an antitank weapon modified for gun usage, thus the high power

[eternal talon]

The guns our prisoners use 100% aren't made for normal people

[raw terrace]

i mean not exactly an antitank but

a derivate of it

[eternal talon]

We are pumped with drugs and chemically enhanced

[raw terrace]

yummy

[tough wave]

I can tell you it's some amalgamation of a M249 tho

[eternal talon]

Look at videos of soldiers trying to walk while firing an m249, yeah

[tough wave]

Oh I have

That's every video game ever tho

[eternal talon]

Our ksos can do it while heart-attacking

[tough wave]

Them CoD mfs built different lmao

[eternal talon]

Not to mention sprinting with sledgehammers and jump-cracking heads

[tough wave]

This is an every game thing tbh

[eternal talon]

Irl you'd be winded in under a minute

[tough wave]

Unironically go put on a gasmask and try to run

That shit sucks

Very rarely do games make you grapple with the fact you're carrying 150 pounds of shit

The KSOs carrying 2 weapons+hammer+tools+ammo for all of this shit realistically would not be jumping, nor running very much

[eternal talon]

An lmg, rifle, several hundred rounds of ammo, a full-size sledgehammer, and a sentry gun that goes up to knee height and weighs at least 40lb

[tough wave]

Lmfao

Frostyy

The MG with full ammo alone probably weighs 40 pounds

[eternal talon]

Not to mention ammo for it

[tough wave]

MGs are unironically like 20 pounds unloaded

[eternal talon]

Auto sentry has several hundred rounds alone at max

We'd be carrying 200lb, easy

[raw terrace]

auto sentry 700 rounds my beloved

[tough wave]

Correct

[raw terrace]

[tough wave]

Unless you run very small guns with low ammo counts

[eternal talon]

Lightest you could probably get is two pistols, a knife, and bio

[tough wave]

Things like DTR/DMR/Carbine are most likely around 7-10 pounds unloaded

Just guesstimating off average irl weights

[raw terrace]

i think pistols have too much ammo for that
if u wanna go true low bullets, slug shottie which is 40 or so rounds and sniper? or scattergun that is 14 and 16 i think respectively

snipers 15 FUCK

[eternal talon]

My guy, any decent 12 gauge is heavy as fuck

[tough wave]

I think Hel gun would probably be super tolerable to carry

It's probably heavy for what it is but

It doesn't carry more then like 5 or 6 reserve mags

[raw terrace]

yeah but ur carrying 100+ mags with a pistol so give or take

[eternal talon]

Also the gtfo sniper is like a brick's length in width

[raw terrace]

maybe not the sniper, rather the high cal?

less bullets than hel gun while still relatively compact

its a deagle it is just a deagle

[tough wave]

You'd feel it on your hip but yeah

It defo wouldn't be like MG

Or BC

[raw terrace]

ah yes bc the GIGANTIC gun

surely very not heavy

[eternal talon]

KSOs actually have a justification to be superhuman-esque, compared to cod and other fps games

[raw terrace]

bc might just be the biggest gun in the game tbh

that or veruta

[eternal talon]

It's a multi-year process and that's before you are even out of hydrostasis for the first time

[tough wave]

I tbh didn't imagine KSOs as like

"Made better"

I just imagined Kovac or Legion or whoever as not letting them nessecarily engage with the pain of their bodies being ripped apart under missions until they died

Like I imagine if our 4 heros could feel things still their back and knees would be fuckin sore lmao

[royal crow]

Who says they don't

[tough wave]

I mean, maybe they do from a video game perspective

[ionic dune]

I think them being licked so much is like massage

[tough wave]

The sleepers tongue has to be such an odd feeling

[ionic dune]

Cat licking you is my guess but more sandpaper type feel

[long glacier]

😭🙏

freaky ahhh

[ionic dune]

https://tenor.com/view/orca-tongue-freaky-tongue-out-freak-gif-13890646100967462988

[long glacier]

imagine what it feels like with the snatcher 😳

[worn rivet]

Snatchers are weird

[radiant root]

does this voiceline ever play anywhere in r8?
||https://youtu.be/RffSPubuR5s?si=HHy9SEdNP3ZfhXXR||

[worn rivet]

This sounds like either alt or a more sane version of og Schaffer and if its og Schaffer then it would be about either him killing henrikson or beating alt Schafferto death, so it could be said sometime during the microphone activation commands audio or it wasnt used.

[gray bone]

@eternal talon

[worn rivet]

Cause other then him saying "Henrikson, Henrikson, oh yes what's done is done, get on with it prisoners." He never really mentions the death of henrikson

Which if I'm remembering it correctly, that's in the og parts of r8 during the mission where we start the nuclear meltdown, which is before the one where the og team deactivates their control chip which I think is called "unplugged".

[radiant root]

i believe that one plays at the start of r8b3

[worn rivet]

Yeah I think it is, also in that mission you can find a bloody employee id with henriksons number on it and a metal pipe near it.

[radiant root]

oh fr

[worn rivet]

Which technically gives og Schaffer with a metal pipe a kill count of three confirmed ones.

The wardens conduit that it tried to speak with him using it, probably henrikson, and depending if you interrupt it or not the sane alt schaffer.

[raw terrace]

yes it does

its a collection of voicelines that play when the r8d2 dialogue finishes

they just loop so it never ends

just until uuu flood the shit out of him

[radiant root]

ohhhh

[quasi meadow]

not if we're talking break action :}

[ionic dune]

whats the dots and dashes achievement for? I dont remember seeing a hiden message

[royal crow]

R1D1

You can hear a metal pipe hitting the walls before going into the reactor

[ionic dune]

oh, whats it say? (in morse im guessing)

[royal crow]

"escape"

[ionic dune]

im guessing her wants us to escape huh (or he wants to escape)

[gray bone]

schaffer in the walls

Being schaffer

[worn rivet]

i mean to survive how long he did before the events of gtfo, Schaffer living in the vents and pipes could've worked.

[raw terrace]

snatcher schaeffer

[coral gorge]

RATS! RATS IN THE WALLS! CHEWING THROUGH CONCRETE TO GET OUT!

wait
get out? almost like...
get the fuck out
and thats almost like GTFO!

[royal crow]

Jesus

Cubix is going schizo

[radiant root]

https://tenor.com/view/fea-giant-rat-gif-25069354

[eternal talon]

https://tenor.com/view/hes-in-the-walls-in-the-walls-wall-muppet-panicking-gif-27546618

[eternal talon]

i certainly don't recognize it.

[coral gorge]

It sounds a lot like the R8D2 looping dialogue
Especially some parts of it i do recognize from that mission, although I never heard him saying the „i killed him” part

[ionic dune]

What did you do to frostty and can we have them back?

[eternal talon]

i am not infallible.

[ionic dune]

You are tho¿

[eternal talon]

i know a whole hell of a lot about a whole hell of a lot...

but i have the memory of a goldfish in terms of RAM

[ionic dune]

About hell

[eternal talon]

my brain is a hard drive

[ionic dune]

😭🙏fair enough

My brains storage and ram is both corrupt, I do not remember anything

[eternal talon]

i spent 40 minutes this morning trying to remember the name of the west indies in regards to port royal, jamaca

i kept googling Caribbean...

[royal crow]

DDR3 RAM

[ionic dune]

As in you can ask me what I did today and I’ll be able to tell you one thing

[eternal talon]

my pc still uses 8gb of ddr3 and i have an amd fx6300 cpu

[ionic dune]

🇹🇩 tbh

[eternal talon]

a 1tb hard drive, but i have a gforce 1660ti, so at least that is something

[ionic dune]

I spend way to much money on electronics

[eternal talon]

i don't really spend much on electronics. i have the same setup i've had since 2018

[ionic dune]

If it ain’t broke don’t fix it

[eternal talon]

aye

and most of the games i play are old af, so i don't really need the processing power anyway

[ionic dune]

My first real paycheck went on a monitor, my second paycheck went to gpu (and kinda entirely new pc) and third went to TV so I think I spend a bit much😭

[ionic dune]

Fair

[royal crow]

Good

If it works

Its good

[worn rivet]

voices are weird

like tones and the macntations of them

[hard linden]

fallout new vegas

[eternal talon]

Honestly no. I haven't played that game in over half a decade

[tame goblet]

Minecraft

[opaque crown]

Alex

[tough wave]

Is there a lore reason Garganta is built in like, the functionally worst layouts possible?

[wanton moss]

Truuuuue

So many random upper platforms that lead to literally nothing but a blank wall.

[tough wave]

And stairs that go nowhere

Lotta senseless elevation changes too

Sometimes you look at a forklift somewhere and you're not quite sure how it got there or how it'll go anywhere else short of dis and re assembly

[raw terrace]

probs unfinished stuff?

i mean garganta just kept expanding every time u blinked

so maybe

[tough wave]

I mean even if you look at microcosms of it

Sometimes you have like, a room that's the 4 doors with what equates to the moat for the middle section

Connected to a stairwell style room that just goes up

Then to a room that goes back down

And the entire time I'm walking around this place I'm wondering who designed it like this ngl

[raw terrace]

i mean it ignores osha as the corrupt company it is but maybe its built like a highway evading funny rocks to save the effort plus we dont know what they used most stuff for

like r1b1 initial room who the fuck knows what is it for

[tough wave]

I'm not saying it's unsafe fwiw

Just inefficient

[wanton moss]

Yeah my team comments on silly stuff like this all the time like how impractical it all is and like “what does the forklift even need to pick up?”

[tough wave]

Imagine having to haul material around Garganta

[wanton moss]

But then I tell myself it’s a video game and it’s designed that way so it’s more confusing/challenging for the players to path through.

[tough wave]

Yk what fucks with me? I've never seen a bathroom or a cafeteria

[wanton moss]

And then I feel better 👏

[tough wave]

They might show up later

[wanton moss]

The bathrooms lmao?

[tough wave]

People worked in Garganta

[raw terrace]

the boxes :3

[tough wave]

There'd be amenities somewhere

[raw terrace]

nah gardens is where everyone eats

surely

nom pumpkin

[tough wave]

Unironically free grow botanical gardens as a cafeteria would be so cool

[eternal talon]

Technically you could argue part of it is related to malfunctions with the matter wave projector, but primarily no. As sledo said, just constant expansion, or no reason at all

From a game design point of view, it is the way it is because each zone is a prefab tile with randomized pieces jumbled together.

[royal crow]

Labs having the most pointless hallways leading to a wall

[tough wave]

I get it from a game design perspective, same reason warframe looks like warframe does for better or worse

Was just curious if there was a lore reason

[eternal talon]

Primarily they most likely would have used a site-wide tram system with freight elevators due to their location and ease of boring.

[royal crow]

Warframe uses the same tile system as GTFO right?

similar at least

[tough wave]

Lil different

Tiles that are set up in generations to be easier to yk, do

Warframe is straight rng tho

[eternal talon]

And you won't. They are mentioned in logs many times, but never seen in gameplay. They are absent from the prefab list the developers made.

[eternal talon]

Sort of.

[tough wave]

Hate that tbh

[eternal talon]

GTFO has every room randomized, for example, digsite (the caves) has roughly 20 different possible variations, and roughly 15 different entrances/exits/morphs.

Within those variations that a zone might choose while building (depending on assigned variable number), it will piece together a ton of smaller prefabs for specific walls, furnature, vehicles, crates, etc

The lighting in zones also uses a similar prefab system

You could throw a completely unique level together with the datablocks alone in under a day

Which was one of the many reasons players complained it took the developers 5-6 months to come up with new rundowns, containing 12-15 levels

[tough wave]

I have the benefit of playing this game post release

I got it like ages ago on sale and never played it cause my friends wouldn't get into it tbh

[eternal talon]

You also would have missed the rundown system previously, where the previous rundown would be deleted, when a new one was added

It was still a number of months per each ALT:// rundown rerelease

Partly that was due to engine changes making terrain not generate the same way with the same variable numbers, though

[eternal talon]

I agree

[tough wave]

I want Garganta to feel more lived in

I always think about dead space designers talking about the ishimura

And wanting it to not just feel like some awful place where a bunch of people died, but also a place that was once lived in and used as a workspace

(USG Ishimura my beloved)

[eternal talon]

We never even get to see the vessel.

Let alone explore it

Nor do we ever see a collector, the reason for the game's existence

[tough wave]

Fine, I'll make R9 myself

[eternal talon]

And what'd that do? Retcon r8? Or focus on an entirely separate worldline?

[honest summit]

Alt team maybe surviving and going to the inner to fight whatever is on that alien ship

[tough wave]

No idea, haven't finished r8 yet

[worn rivet]

gargantas layout and levels are weirdly fun to look at.

and are also an architects nightmare

like how are some of these windows/cellings even standing, after how ever many god damm years without repair

[ionic dune]

Engineers too no?

[worn rivet]

yeah, that's even worse somehow

not only did they break osha laws but also the laws of architecture, engineering, and fucking physics at parts

[ionic dune]

Can’t even ask for payraise or you’d get put in da prison

[worn rivet]

or mysteriously disseaper

[ionic dune]

Or become bishop sort of

[worn rivet]

bishop's a funny case of idoicy and a shite ton of bad luck

and also good luck considering he lived through valencia and manged to make it back to the usa

[ionic dune]

If his murder charges and whatnot wasn’t faked (the blackmail we know was real though)

[worn rivet]

also considering how many regular steel doors the sleepers break down if alerted, then any humans they hit would be thrown, got mass amounts of internal damage, and broke 3 bones on impact.

[raw terrace]

i doubt those are the strongest things ever

and i doubt sleepers feel pain

when punching them

[worn rivet]

let me correct myself, anything above the small ones and the chargers and maybe the snatchers would cause a shite ton of damage.

oh and the meatballs wouldnt.

[raw terrace]

i mean dependin on how canon u wanna consider sometimes we wear vests and protection, we dont know what the shooters shoot nor how tongues rlly work apart from them having teeth inside

a bbc i think its the one enemy that could down u witht he effects u say and maybe a normal big but also they do

like a bbc is 1.3 seconds and ur down

[royal crow]

The only enemies i feel that can kill someone in impact
Are BBCs and tanks

One hit and its game over

[worn rivet]

yeah, also that's not counting on if there's more then one singular sleeper or a mulitidue of them.

[ancient surge]

anybody know a place where I can get the transcripts for the audio logs?

would be appreciated

[royal crow]

Wiki

[worn rivet]

The gtfo wiki

[royal crow]

Everything is there in both audio and text

[ancient surge]

oh yeah I couldn't find it at first but I see it now lol, tysm

[eternal talon]

which audio logs would you like?

[long glacier]

can I have the dauda moaning audio

[raw terrace]

no

[worn rivet]

the hell is that

[long glacier]

pretty please ??? 🥺🥺🥺🥺

[ionic dune]

What?

[north obsidian]

is daude the only character that has missing voice lines?

[raw terrace]

bishop has wrong ones in place of others

[honest summit]

They are Not Missing, Dauna is Just too shy to speak Out.

[long glacier]

dauna 😘

[hard linden]

dona

[eternal talon]

fellow lore enthusiasts, what is your favorite part/section of the story, be it post-apocalypse, or pre?

[plush nest]

Lead pipe

[honest summit]

"Florida man infected by a deadly alien desease decides it would be a good idea to cough in public"

[royal crow]

Mr Truth

🙏

[hard linden]

Yeah how did the virus spread

[eternal talon]

it's easier to explain how it doesn't spread.

[hard linden]

type away

[eternal talon]

as per Dauda's research, it can spread via air, fluid, contact, and can survive on surfaces for well over a month. It has an R-Naught of more than double Covid (infectivity Meter) From it first infecting humans in the modern day, to the complete extinction of all life on the surface of earth, was less than 10 years, maybe even less than five.

The only environment it cannot spread through is the vaccum of space, where there is literally nothing, not even air particles that it can hitch a ride on

[hard linden]

What does it do to the carrier?

[eternal talon]

this question has two parts to the answer.

first, it is an entirely alien virus, so it took some time to adapt to human physiology. at first, the effects of infection were relatively minor.
the virus itself can't create sleepers, that is due to the symbiotic pairing it has the with parasite, parasitidae garganta.

give me a moment to pull up a full list of symptoms...

Malaise
Lethargy
Exhaustion
Trouble focusing
Haemoptysis
Muscular spasms
Frothing at the mouth
Violent behaviour
Extreme lethargy or drowsiness
Depression
Vomiting
deformation of the spine

As the virus progresses, it's lethal factor is primarily via the mutations it causes to the host.
if you catch it, it is 100% fatal in all cases, as if your immune system manages to fight it, the virus will simply go dormant, mutate itself, and re-appear within a number of days to weeks, modified, and made to hard-counter your immune system.
death is certain within a five week period.

the virus is a wildfire, spreading and cleansing planets of life in under a decade.

[hard linden]

Were the researchers french perchance?

[eternal talon]

the only thing that can stop it is the virus literally eating all of its food.

[ionic dune]

What’s malaise and lethargy?

[hard linden]

malaise is anxiety

in french

[ionic dune]

Oh

[eternal talon]

thats where the parasite comes in, making the parasite, and by extension the sleepers it creates, immortal, and giving the virus a bottomless fuel tank

[hard linden]

sorta maybe, malaise is stress-anxiety

[ionic dune]

Tyty

[hard linden]

lack of confidence maybe

[eternal talon]

the picture above is what it looks like when someone dies from nam-v (the virus).

[hard linden]

peril,

[eternal talon]

the parasite, strikers being the most basic example, continues the mutations the virus started

[hard linden]

This is space rabies.

[long glacier]

💀

[eternal talon]

honestly sort of. the hosts are still alive as sleepers, while the parasite puppets their bodies

breaking bones and shifting muscle mass.

[long glacier]

reminds me of the headcrabs from hl2

[hard linden]

What is the relation between nam v and the sleepers/parasite?

[eternal talon]

now think of mothers

[eternal talon]

the virus is giga OP and will kill anything and everything fast as fuck, like it is speedrunning the game of life. According to the collectors, any UNIVERSE the virus has been detected in, it eventually went on to destroy any and all life in that entire universe.

the parasite infects hosts, turning them into sleepers that it can puppet and control to protect its hive, laying eggs inside hosts to birth more parasites.

the two have a symbiotic relationship

the virus (somehow) makes the parasite immortal, (not to gunfire or the like, but to aging and reduced nutrient requirement)

and because the infected host the parasite is controlling is immortal, the virus doesn't die off.

it uses the hosts and the parasites as an infinite fuel tank

so it doesn't run out of food on it's killing rampage

[eternal talon]

(eggs)

[hard linden]

Were (parasite and virus) independent from each other at the start of their conception or were they always symbiotic?

[hard linden]

shitty omelet

they wouldnt taste good

[eternal talon]

so, it is not entirely known, as all of the collectors aside from the warden are long dead after their ship crashed.

but it is implied that the parasite was once a victim of the virus

and that the virus came first

developed by the collectors as a bioweapon (as dauda theorizes), or otherwise, if the collectors found it on some world somewhere naturally

[eternal talon]

they are essentially massive mites/ticks.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parasitidae
even though they are alien in nature, Hammerstein classified them under the family parasitidae

so it'd be like eating a bloodbug

[hard linden]

It would make sense that the virus infected a parasite or small organism, hijacking it or spreading, and making kin or creating a new species with evolution over time

that would be A theory

[eternal talon]

that is what dauda theorizes.
The parasite that we had previously attributed as the primary carrier of the virus is, in my opinion, merely
another victim of this remarkable lifeform. The only difference is the virus does not mutate the parasites,
rather it prolongs the life cycle of the parasite indefinitely. The relationship is symbiotic. The parasite
carries the virus to new hosts, and the virus helps the parasite live for an extended (and currently
unknown) period. Perhaps indefinitely.

[hard linden]

i am dauda

[eternal talon]

he was in charge of human experimentation in the complex, before it got overran.

a monster of a person.

[hard linden]

What caused it to be overrun

?

[eternal talon]

the sleepers, partly from newly infected staff, and partly from the ship and all the infected within

(infected mayans, infected collectors, and infected specimens from hundreds of unknown species)

[hard linden]

Was there a person of interest that opened the gates or was it really through "natural" contamination

[eternal talon]

i'd recommend checking out the "GTFO Lore For Dummies" documents in the pins of this channel (.pdf and .txt) for a basic lore synopsis.

[hard linden]

thanks doc

[eternal talon]

so initially one of santonian's mining crew were excavating to the ship (they thought it was an asteroid at the time), and they cracked into one of the uppermost levels of the ship

inside was a bunch of artifacts and stuff, that SMC's parent company, Dreyfus Industries, would call Project Insight in to study.

a quarantine was established around the site of the mining tunnel, but two of Insight's scientists (unknown who) would recklessly ignore the quarantine procedures and be the first two humans infected with nam-v in the modern era.

from there it spread amongst garganta staff as santonian downplayed the issue, and one of the infected workers would flee on foot, eventually ending up spreading it to maricopa florida through ocean currents

as it most likely spread to mexico around the site first... but the first recorded location of infection anyway was maricopa

at least according to the CDC

that is where they first found out about it

[hard linden]

plague inc

[eternal talon]

NAM-V is too OP for that game lol

[hard linden]

DLC then

jokes aside

Which country was the last one to be infected

[eternal talon]

we don't know the last.

we know in logs it was most likely to have spread to all continents pretty early on..

we only have confirmed locations for denmark, the UK, and the US

(and obviously mexico)

[hard linden]

Then I would suggest New Zealand as the safe haven

And a wild card ; Antarctica

Even though it's not a country

[eternal talon]

Although the virus has currently only been detected in the United States, Mexico, and the United Kingdom, there is a 90% probability that the virus is present in all continents.
as of 14 March 2053

[hard linden]

We wouldn't know the geo-political events of the future, but I am betting that there are more people there

[ionic dune]

is the garganta or whatever its called located in mexico?

[eternal talon]

the outbreak garganta occured with the two scientists being infected in 18 March 2052

[hard linden]

yes

from the crater that uh kill dinosaurs

i think

point of origin

[eternal talon]

yes, in the chicxulub crater.

[ionic dune]

huh

[hard linden]

crater has weird name

yea

[eternal talon]

the center point of the complex is just outside of a town named Ixil. Would you like the coordinates?

[ionic dune]

gonna build a prison there 🙃

[hard linden]

sure

[eternal talon]

21°08'57"N 89°29'32"W

[hard linden]

siri, please help

[eternal talon]

i have a couple images showing the size of the complex below ground... give me a second...

[royal crow]

[hard linden]

not near los ceibos

[royal crow]

Mexico mentioned

[hard linden]

thats my favorite place

[eternal talon]

it is absolutely fucking massive

[ionic dune]

will be good for my eventual schematics, will make sure architects and engineers wont be going thru r8 and back though when designing it

[eternal talon]

easily housing several hundred thousand workers

and going down several thousand meters from the surface level.

[hard linden]

You should update the image, the Gulf.... has changed names...

[eternal talon]

nah, tr*mp can kiss my ass

[royal crow]

[hard linden]

But yeah, I am putting my buckaroos to New Zealand, Antarctica or Madagascar

[raw terrace]

its not mine for sure

[hard linden]

Or North Sentinal Island

[ionic dune]

why are there so many varieties of them? like i get that it broke bones and shifted flesh but why did it evolve in that way? further question, how the FUCK can there be seeking spit?

[raw terrace]

mexicooo te llevo en corazooon

[raw terrace]

whats a seekin spit

[eternal talon]

the last known location with humans iirc was svalbard

in Kvitøya

[hard linden]

country?

[ionic dune]

im putting my bucks in a cryonesis or whatever its called

[ionic dune]

norway

[eternal talon]

frostpunk land

[ionic dune]

shooters im presuming shoot spits

[royal crow]

No way?

[hard linden]

I did want to add Norway but Denmark was infected

[ionic dune]

hate those mf's like we brothers

[eternal talon]

svalbard is an isolated island archipelago way way way north.

[hard linden]

I was betting on the bunker that houses all plants

[ionic dune]

denmark and any scandinavian country shouldnt be mentioned in the same scentence

[ionic dune]

isnt that in svalberg?

[eternal talon]

that is also in svalbard

[hard linden]

Well i'll be damned lol

[ionic dune]

so hey u were correct

[eternal talon]

that is the svalbard GSV

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svalbard_Global_Seed_Vault

[hard linden]

YEAH THAT ONE

[ionic dune]

its here

[eternal talon]

svalbard is pretty much always the no1 best place to be in an apocalyptic scenario

[hard linden]

I bet the Irish fought the virus well

[ionic dune]

alcohol

speaking of which

did alcohol affect the virus?

[hard linden]

Does nam v

yea

was about to ask

[eternal talon]

because it is cold as shit, a pain in the ass to get there, AND has infrastructure

[hard linden]

we're asking the hard hitting questions

over here

[ionic dune]

smth smth great minds think alike smth smth

[eternal talon]

other than slightly pissing it off? not likely.

[ionic dune]

so it get the angru face when drunk interesting

[hard linden]

Maybe Canada or Quebec

[eternal talon]

the only reason why hydrostasis works to cleanse us of it (but not the damage that it deals to us) is because in hydrostasis we are dead.

[hard linden]

Northern Quebec would live

[ionic dune]

worse infrastructure imo

[eternal talon]

d.e.a.d.

[ionic dune]

isnt it technically on the verge so no parasite could survive?

but we could

[eternal talon]

isn't what on the verge?

[ionic dune]

like on the verge of death

[hard linden]

I meant Nunavut

[ionic dune]

like 95% of it is nothing

[hard linden]

People live there

[eternal talon]

hydrostasis kills you and everything in it, suspends you in a membrane ala a womb, then ressurrects you when it is opened, combined with a chemical cocktail so your brain and organs don't start melting.

[ionic dune]

yea, thats the 5%

[hard linden]

Inuit people

[eternal talon]

The breakthrough that Kovac Research hopes will answer these questions
is called Hydrostasis - a process that allows humans to be held in a
state of suspended animation for weeks, months, even years at a time
without suffering any ill-effects. The nuts and bolts of the process
are a closely guarded secret, but sources speculate that the procedure
likely uses a synthetic amniotic fluid to sustain and protect the body
while it is in an induced comatose state. In this state, the body is -
for all intents and purposes - dead, but no cell deterioration or
physical decay occurs. For the human in Hydrostasis, the heart, and
time, stops.

[ionic dune]

huh, reincarnation

[eternal talon]

sort of. more like reanimation

just missing the freezer

it just kills anything that would rot you

[hard linden]

pumping people full of drugs historically works

so that's cool

even today

[ionic dune]

in the future*

[hard linden]

no no

today

[eternal talon]

amniotic fluid is literally womb juice

[hard linden]

I think baby smoothy would not be efficient

[eternal talon]

it sounds similar to cryostasis because of the name, but hydrostasis is very very different

[hard linden]

but i am but a citizen

[ionic dune]

ooooh yea fair enough

[hard linden]

I think they would live

[eternal talon]

they'd die most likely due to it traveling via ocean currents.

they'd pick it up from fish

or birds

or the air

the climate is just too warm

[hard linden]

same for this one

ig

[eternal talon]

i think super north or super south could manage because of the cold... but it's still like... chances are STACKED against you

[ionic dune]

frostty is there some article that has daudas experiments listed?

[eternal talon]

this thing eats universes for breakfast

[eternal talon]

as to specific ones?

[ionic dune]

yes

[eternal talon]

a little bit.

[hard linden]

We could check air circulation data

[eternal talon]

**Mr. Lockwood,

You requested an update. Here it is.

Through my experiments, I have discovered the virus has a multipronged attack strategy, which not only
increases the R0, but also allows it to be highly contagious in multiple environments. Infected individual
can release create pathogens and fomites through any bodily fluid. The virus has been observed in fluids
extracted from anywhere on the patient - sweat, blood, saliva, bile, urine, even in the aqueous and
vitreous humors. The virus can also survive for several weeks while airborne or on surfaces. In my control
tests, subjects exposed to locations that had been contaminated up to 4 weeks prior to exposure still
contracted the virus. This was also true of subjects immersed in various solutions (I tried fresh water, salt
water, and several synthetic oils and polymers). 85% of subjects contracted the virus within a few
hours. The remaining 15% who survived other exposure methods contracted the virus when exposed to a
vaporus environment heavily dosed infected fomites.**

**The parasite that we had previously attributed as the primary carrier of the virus is, in my opinion, merely
another victim of this remarkable lifeform. The only difference is the virus does not mutate the parasites,
rather it prolongs the life cycle of the parasite indefinitely. The relationship is symbiotic. The parasite
carries the virus to new hosts, and the virus helps the parasite live for an extended (and currently
unknown) period. Perhaps indefinitely.

The virus is remarkable. It appears to have been perfectly designed to infect regardless of the
Circumstance. When it finds a host, it induces coughing, sweating, sneezing, and ultimately violent attacks
to draw blood and saliva. Without a host, it can transfer itself through any medium. The only test I have
not been able to perform yet is in a vacuum, but I am planning such experiments next week as soon as I
receive new subjects from Mr. Piros.**

**Mr. Lockwood,

We can assert categorically that both NAM-V and Parasitidae Garganta are extraterrestrial in origin. There is no way of knowing for sure if they evolved in the same location (or even if they evolved at all), but we do know that the environmental conditions for both lifeforms was at least very similar as their structural framework share many features. It is highly likely they have the same origin, wherever that may be.

The progenitor of the relationship between the virus and the parasite is not clear, so I have been working under Dr. Dauda's theory that the virus happened upon the parasite at some point, found it to be an appropriate host, and evolved to manipulate the behavior of the parasite to ensure transmission. We have also discovered that the extent of viral mutation within the parasites is unusually high. Each infected parasite carries it's own mutation of the virus, which means that any host with multiple parasites will allow the mutated viruses to gene shuffle and create new strains. Many of the new strains lead to mutations of the host to varying degrees, resulting in the physical deformities we see in some hosts. This is almost certainly the cause of at least some of the abominations that have been uncovered as excavations towards the Inner continue.**

**However, I have also isolated hundreds of parasites that do not carry the virus and yet their behavior is identical to infected parasites, indicating the presence of collective intelligence. The parasites are highly social and will work together to ensure attachment to a host - using strategies that are far beyond the capability of an individual parasite. It is unlikely that these complex behaviors can all be attributed to implanted behaviors from the virus.

The relationship is certainly symbiotic. The virus triggers life-prolonging chemical production in the parasite, and the parasite provides a suspendable organic structure for the virus. The parasite transmits the virus to new hosts, and in turn the virus alters the behavior of the host to accept the presence of the parasite and inhibit the desire to remove it.**

**With so many mutations of NAM-V being created with each new host, there are potentially millions of strains of NAM-V that no longer require a parasite to transmit. This explains why Dr. Dauda's research shows such resilience in the virus. It evolves everywhere, in every way. This virus is an omnipotent force of nature.

The only method we have found of killing the virus is by stopping the biological functions of the host through hydrostasis (or death). Fortunately, the parasites have not yet found a way into the HSUs. However, after hydrostasis reinfection is possible. We continue to improve our sterilization and prophylaxis methods, but we are fighting a losing battle. I see no future for us if we do not seek the origin of these lifeforms and find an immune genome. If we are to survive NAM-V, we must turn to the nature that created it. Evolution has had millions of years to fight the virus. We have months.
**

[hard linden]

Not an air circulation but water temp. map, svalbard near seas has warmed up

[eternal talon]

oh yeah, no. with how shit the ventalation is in garganta, we are getting contantly exposed from like a dozen sources. this is one of the reasons why it is important to remember that the infection mechanic =/= nam-v

(we know this because of recorded logs with the syringes having the side-effects as shown in game (where they give infection stacks), despite also being shipped in from off-site and before total outbreak within garganta)

(not to mention how disinfect stations and packs literally just wouldn't work whatsoever in lore, it'd be laughable)

as to what infection mechanic really is, I'm not sure, but it's likely some form of toxic dust or something in the air. idk. shrugs

[hard linden]

yeah is it the same virus?

[eternal talon]

is what the same virus?

infection mechanic is NOT nam-v.

[hard linden]

the infection

ok

[eternal talon]

^

[hard linden]

I can tell you it is not dust

[eternal talon]

damn global warming!

[eternal talon]

i'm just saying, idk what it is, but we can rule out nam-v.

the logs give us that, at least.

[hard linden]

Maybe there should be efforts towards finding out the infection

[gray bone]

It could just be one of the many, many things the spaceship had

That got out

[ionic dune]

im guessing the secret commands arent lore accurate?

[eternal talon]

there are a couple things we've never figured out. stuff like the collector audio log, ARGs we never managed to crack.

[eternal talon]

no, they are not.

[gray bone]

The secret commands were supposed to just that
Aside from the in lore building one

The one with bishop's facebook account or smth

[eternal talon]

at least not to my knowledge

but i'm not too familiar with them in general

[hard linden]

I might be of use depending on what needs cracking

The infection does seem easy to figure out though

[ionic dune]

cuz if the fog one was then one could argue that its some sort of in house infection someone created to make sure that the entire place dies as a hail mary but its quite a strech to make that one work

[eternal talon]

#gtfo-lore message

good luck. a LOT of people have looked into it

and we've solved really crazy ARGs before

this:

ACCESS -BIOCOM -29$525GVTHR2%456FS
Instantiating BIOCOM.net(CLI)…
ready:_
unknown file type
read:_
MzcgMzcgMjAgMzggMzQgMjAgMzkgMzkgMjAgMzEgMzAgMzMgMjAgMzcgMzcgMjAgMzggMzQgMjAgMzc
gMzcgMjAgMzEgMzAgMzMgMjAgMzcgMzggMjAgMzYgMzggMjAgMzggMzEgMjAgMzEgMzEgMzcgMjAgMz
cgMzcgMjAgMzEgMzAgMzYgMjAgMzYgMzkgMjAgMzEgMzIgMzAgMjAgMzcgMzMgMjAgMzYgMzcgMjAgM
zQgMzggMjAgMzEgMzIgMzIgMjAgMzcgMzggMjAgMzEgMzIgMzEgMjAgMzYgMzUgMjAgMzEgMzEgMzkg
MjAgMzcgMzggMjAgMzEgMzAgMzUgMjAgMzYgMzUgMjAgMzEgMzIgMzAgMjAgMzcgMzggMjAgMzggMzM
gMjAgMzUgMzIgMjAgMzUgMzMgMjAgMzcgMzggMjAgMzYgMzUgMjA
analyze(_cryptog.all)
…
Analyzing. Wait…

into this:

17 13 44.211 -37 06 15.94

[ionic dune]

guessing the numbers are some sort of decryption code?

[eternal talon]

this is the full proccess:

**Original text:

MzcgMzcgMjAgMzggMzQgMjAgMzkgMzkgMjAgMzEgMzAgMzMgMjAgMzcgMzcgMjAgMzggMzQgMjAgMzcgMzcgMjAgMzEgMzAgMzMgMjAgMzcgMzggMjAgMzYgMzggMjAgMzggMzEgMjAgMzEgMzEgMzcgMjAgMzcgMzcgMjAgMzEgMzAgMzYgMjAgMzYgMzkgMjAgMzEgMzIgMzAgMjAgMzcgMzMgMjAgMzYgMzcgMjAgMzQgMzggMjAgMzEgMzIgMzIgMjAgMzcgMzggMjAgMzEgMzIgMzEgMjAgMzYgMzUgMjAgMzEgMzEgMzkgMjAgMzcgMzggMjAgMzEgMzAgMzUgMjAgMzYgMzUgMjAgMzEgMzIgMzAgMjAgMzcgMzggMjAgMzggMzMgMjAgMzUgMzIgMjAgMzUgMzMgMjAgMzcgMzggMjAgMzYgMzUgMjA

Base64 Decode output:

37 37 20 38 34 20 39 39 20 31 30 33 20 37 37 20 38 34 20 37 37 20 31 30 33 20 37 38 20 36 38 20 38 31 20 31 31 37 20 37 37 20 31 30 36 20 36 39 20 31 32 30 20 37 33 20 36 37 20 34 38 20 31 32 32 20 37 38 20 31 32 31 20 36 35 20 31 31 39 20 37 38 20 31 30 35 20 36 35 20 31 32 30 20 37 38 20 38 33 20 35 32 20 35 33 20 37 38 20 36 35 20

Decode output with 20 as a divider:

37 37
38 34
39 39
31 30 33
37 37
38 34
37 37
31 30 33
37 38
36 38
38 31
31 31 37
37 37
31 30 36
36 39
31 32 30
37 33
36 37
34 38
31 32 32
37 38
31 32 31
36 35
31 31 39
37 38
31 30 35
36 35
31 32 30
37 38
38 33
35 32
35 33
37 38
36 35

3X converted to just X and combined into decimals:

77 84 99 103 77 84 77 103 78 68 81 117 77 106 69 120 73 67 48 122 78 121 65 119 78 105 65 120 78 83 52 53 78 65

Combined into decimals converted to ASCII:

MTcgMTMgNDQuMjExIC0zNyAwNiAxNS45NA

Base64 Decode output with new ASCII text:

17 13 44.211 -37 06 15.94
```**

[hard linden]

You forgot technological innovation, revised medical practices and discoveries. He looks younger because of yes of course hydrostasis but probably (as an educated guess) also because of medical improvements

[eternal talon]

i'm proud to have helped solve this one, specifically the first step with base64

[eternal talon]

how did you get there.... oh, you scrolled up

[hard linden]

It equally depends where bishop stayed or which country he stayed, because health care could vary and the time given for said country to also receive these "new practices"

As dumb as it sounds, these are factors you must take note of

These things happened many times in history

Especially with Covid 19

some countries got vaccines much later/earlier than others.

[eternal talon]

look, i'm just gonna say, it doesn't help that he spent 2 years on the desert hellscape Destination.

also we don't know when he was put into the program iirc

so we can't know for certain how old he is biologically

[ionic dune]

https://tenor.com/view/what-do-they-mean-random-numbers-gif-10654449

(specifically the final numbers)

[hard linden]

But we do know that he looks younger than what he is

[eternal talon]

...yes

compared to when he was born, and not biologically, yes.

[eternal talon]

the coordinates for Destination

it is in the butterfly nebula.

[ionic dune]

oh ok

[eternal talon]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NGC_6302

[hard linden]

I mean what you gotta do at this point is do points of reference (date of hydrostasis creation, date of birth, etc..)

[eternal talon]

the MWP is moving us thousands of light years in seconds

[hard linden]

then you can find his age

[eternal talon]

and also moving us to a different universe, but the light years thing is cool too

[ionic dune]

thats why i couldnt find any info on it when i typed in the cords

[eternal talon]

yeah, they aren't earth GPS coords lol

[ionic dune]

average BMW driver

[hard linden]

what software did you use and what conversions did you do, or how did you manipulate it

Because you can do a shit ton of things with audio

[hard linden]

Did you run it backwards, etc..

[ionic dune]

they probably did everything one could come up with in at least an hour

they prolly have a list somewhere too

[hard linden]

Right now I don't have a darn thing coming up to my head even though I vaguely remember some scarce or unused ways to visualize audio

[eternal talon]

which we don't know. we know roughly when the game takes place. 2063. we know he was born in 2001. we know that your first stay in hydrostasis is for a minimum period of two years. we know he spent two years on destination (~2 weeks earth time). He was hired by SMC (under davies) for a period between 05/18/2017 and 06/01/2020, but we don't know when he was taken into the program. there are a lot of things.

[eternal talon]

that audio is raw from the game.

[hard linden]

he's gen z

[eternal talon]

i didn't do much of anything in attempts to crack it

the people that did mostly aren't around anymore.

[hard linden]

he grew up with instagram...

and tik tok...

[eternal talon]

not me, sadly.

[ionic dune]

unfort

[eternal talon]

he specifically was in for 12 months total.

idk how you'd math all that out

we don't know the amount of times he was active prior to gameplay or how long

[hard linden]

I could math it, if I was good at maths

[ionic dune]

god i hate seeing american calander time

[eternal talon]

you could probably average out how long a completion is for every OG rundown and r8...

[ionic dune]

makes me so confooosed

[eternal talon]

but that is even more math

[hard linden]

I could hand it over to a mathematician

Hell, even a biologist could help

[eternal talon]

that is just copy pasted from the log.

[eternal talon]

we have one already.

[ionic dune]

is the rest of the stays in hydrostasis also time bound?

[eternal talon]

@rocky wraith

we had two

but punk hasn't been active in years.

beanz is an IRL biologist, training to join the RAF last i talked to him

[ionic dune]

interesting

[hard linden]

But no mathematicians

[eternal talon]

we've had a lot of professional consults over the years.

but no, no mathematicians.

[ionic dune]

i would help if i knew more than calc 1 😭

[hard linden]

I think that the problem is evident

[ionic dune]

and if i could be bothered, mathing on the side of grinding r2 out is NOT what i wanna do rn

[eternal talon]

i beg your pardon? we've translated 16th century colonial Spanish medical documents from the village of Ixil

we've done bonkers research

[hard linden]

I do not want to argue and I did not mean to sound rude

But

Consult a mathematician.

[eternal talon]

we've solved every arg thrown at us... except that one

[eternal talon]

for what?

[ionic dune]

goddamn this game goes from 16th sentury to 21st (maybe even beyond?)

[eternal talon]

no lol. it was a dead end. the Libro De Chilam Balam De Ixil

was a fun adventure though

[ionic dune]

bruh

i was about to say

what like

connection could that be

[eternal talon]

i remember we got an original copy from one of our more active users, who totally didn't pirate it from his university

Daraxus

[eternal talon]

in lore though the ancient mayans did fight the sleepers

[queen gazelle]

What’s the math problem

[hard linden]

Calculating times, dates, giving professional opinions, theorizing
I'm not a lore master (because you're teaching me right now) but a mathematician isn't useless even though things seem evident.
Things are revised all the time... Maybe a different perspective on things can help crack some mysteries and questions. Maybe brighten some dark spots that weren't seen before.

[ionic dune]

as to not be investigated by authorities pertaining to this matter (even tho swedish authorities dont), i have not interacted with this pirated content

[eternal talon]

it is what caused the mayan civilization to dissapear

[hard linden]

None that I know of

I'm suggesting

[eternal talon]

and funnily enough, they won, at least won more than modern humanity

[hard linden]

something

[ionic dune]

hoooooooh, i thought the virus would come a lot sooner

[eternal talon]

they got wiped out, but prevented a global extinction event

[ionic dune]

spiritual stuff

[eternal talon]

as far as we know the 16th century mayan outbreak was the first after the ship crashed 65 million years ago

at least it is the first recorded.

[ionic dune]

was the ship the asteroid or am i trippin (yes it was from what i googled)

[ionic dune]

and this was the second im guessing

[eternal talon]

actually no... yes... kinda

[ionic dune]

💀

[eternal talon]

the reason why Santonian even started excavating the site where garganta is today is because of an earthquake on the merida faultline

it is the most mirky shit ever

but potentially hundreds of red cross staff got infected

santonian confirmed torched them with flamethrowers

[ionic dune]

tf2 pyro moment

[eternal talon]

it was shortly after that they did a K-UX deepscan and saw what they thought was a meteor with trillions of dollars worth of iridium (it wasn't. it was the ship).

[hard linden]

When things get desperate, we enact the middle age and burn the witches

[ionic dune]

K-UX sounds uhhh how should i put this

[hard linden]

We burn the spirits

[ionic dune]

very fitting with this community

[eternal talon]

the GTFO Lore For Dummies doccuments in the pins have a summary of all pre-apocalypse lore.

[ionic dune]

yippie i have a doc made for meeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[eternal talon]

made after several years of me having to explain everything to every new person who wanted to know

so i can just point there instead of typing

🙂

[ionic dune]

hi

🙃

[eternal talon]

lmaoooooooo

nah, it's no biggie. i love talking about the story

gtfo lore is my hobby, not gtfo

[ionic dune]

💀

r2d1 grind is my hobby rn and its killing me but it is what it is

[eternal talon]

i legit haven't played with a group since... probably alt://r2

years ago

[ionic dune]

anyways ima go to bed, need to be slightly awake for school

[eternal talon]

and i've been around since ogr1, in 2019

more than half a decade ago

[eternal talon]

gn!

[ionic dune]

oh btw is there a mod that includes the old voice lines for the lore?

[eternal talon]

i'm not sure, but probably. i don't really mod much

[ionic dune]

that was the reason i even came into this chat like 2 hours ago

[hard linden]

kevin hart would still be alive when the apocolypse starts

i checked

he's 45

[eternal talon]

~2053?

[hard linden]

yeah when does the end of the world start

[eternal talon]

might be pushing it a bit

[eternal talon]

gimme a sec

first confirmed infection outside of garganta was in maricopa florida, feb 2nd, 2053

[hard linden]

Kevin Hart would still be alive

[eternal talon]

world collapsed entirely by 2059

[hard linden]

Yep, Kevin lives

Are there celebrities that lived in the lore or no

Or known figures

of our day

[eternal talon]

i don't remember any irl celebs being mentioned.

[ionic dune]

anyways gn to both u 🫡

[hard linden]

yes gn

[eternal talon]

gtfo even before the apocalypse was very dystopian

Dreyfus owned practically half of the planet

very corporate overlord

[hard linden]

They bought BlackRock and tencent

[eternal talon]

what we hear about on the surface is mainly;

1. news reports
2. CDC/WHO announcements
3. military broadcasts/daylight mission
4. conspiracy theory radio, Mr. Truth

[hard linden]

what or who is mr truth

and does he say the truth or is an industry plant

[eternal talon]

Mr truth probably has the most logs of any non-living character

his character is basically "what if the conspiracy theorist was right the whole time?"

so he talks a lot about dreyfus, garganta, kovac, and stuff

he was on the run for a long time, with kovac trying to hunt him down and kill him

he has logs in pretty much every rundown

recorded broadcasts, somehow saved to computers down here...

who knows why

he eventually killed his wife and fled into the mountains, then killed himself

or got killed by nam-v... i don't entirely remember

[hard linden]

why the wife

[eternal talon]

both he and OG version of him have different fates

[hard linden]

that seems off

[eternal talon]

he thought kovac replaced her with a clone

he was going crazy due to nam-v infection

[hard linden]

but he's mr truth

[eternal talon]

(one of the primary symptoms)

[eternal talon]

(they didn't)

[hard linden]

Hey man, don't want to contradict you but he's

oh ok

[eternal talon]

but what?

go ahead and say it

maybe i'm misremembering something

i've got the wiki on my other monitor, it's how i'm dragging and dropping sections of logs for quotes

but most of it i tell from memory

[hard linden]

As you said he was a conspiracy theorist who was "right all along", and maybe kovac did replace his wife with a clone

Maybe you're working for kovac

arg!

[eternal talon]

**../BIOCOM
shortwave transmission intercepted@29mhz
meta3.date_stamp(570613.174223)

//transcript follows...

VOICE 1
State of Truth. Truth. I don't know how much... how much longer I can do this. They have taken... so much. I cannot rid myself of these demons. My hand has been forced. My soul has been stained. These insidious, malevolent... savages, will stop at nothing to inject their venom into us. They feed on me, on what's left of my humanity. Everything they touch is debased and violated. They poison the waters, they burn the crops, they subvert all that is good and... and... they turn those we love against us... They left me with no choice. No choice. The evidence was there. Once I saw through their veil of lies I knew had to act. They took her from me, destroyed anything that was left of her long ago. They took the one thing I loved and sent back a facsimile. A copy. A blighted, ugly version of the person I knew. It was... mercy. It was mercy... I am alone. Are you out there? Is anyone out there? Because there's no one left in here. God forgive me.

../BIOCOM.
.. transcript ends//
intercept log updated
alert system flagged**

[eternal talon]

that is what the devs said during interview what his character was meant to be

like, from a design standpoint

the frame of mind when writing him

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-dZIKxXU_U

(be warned, its an hour long)

[hard linden]

This is the first time i've seen a transcript of mr truth so i cannot confirm or deny if he speaks in this tone in every occasion

out of context, it sounds like a conspiracy theorist yelling at a demonic company

you could argue that the words "blight, venom, feed on me, humanity" are nam v

which is fair

[hard linden]

gotcha he did go slightly mildly crazy

[hard linden]

62 sounds like he has aged

time difference between 61-62?

[eternal talon]

rundown 6 - 1st log. its just the order of them

i'm sending you them backwards

just the alt://truth logs, if that is okay

og and alt are different universes so have different personalities

[hard linden]

I forget that there are 2 universes

[eternal talon]

TRUTHALTR1
I guess this one isn't an audio log... wierd.
This is State of Truth AM. I want to talk about something... personal today. You know, I can't very well call myself Mr. Truth if I'm not honest with you, can I? Well, for the last few months, I have been... experiencing things that I can't explain. I have memories, memories that I have been told are false. Memories that even Mrs. Truth tells me are in my imagination. These memories are fleeting, but they are clear, precise recollections of events, they are... emotional connections to a truth that on the face of it seems wrong. I recall moments of conversations I have had with people I have no recollection of meeting. I see images of buildings that I have never seen, yet I know the shape. Sometimes, I will know what the caller is about to say the second before they say it. Now, understand me: this is not Deja Vu. This is something that I know, in my gut, is truth - just not the truth of my present, or of this history. I... hmmm... how can I explain? I recall, very clearly, that the Merida quake happened on March 15th 2049. That date is precise and clear in my mind - and it's wrong. The quake happened in April, It's in all the papers, all of the reports, all of the books. The great Merida quake... of April, 2049. I even know what I was doing on the day it happened, and that day was in April, but in my gut, I know it happened in March. I can SEE it. Is there anyone else out there experiencing something similar? Are some things different as you remember them? Tell me I'm not alone in this. Something... has changed. You know the number. Call.

from the alt:// logs alone, you can really tell from the beginning to the end as nam-v slowly takes him.

he's on to stuff.. but he just gets unhinged.

[hard linden]

Been nice talking to you but I have to eat and

feed my tarantula that I have been stalling for an hour

[eternal talon]

fun fact:
In both worldlines, the warden sealed the doors to the surface, leaving tens of thousands to die, trapped within garganta.
In OG, only the virus got out, so eventually life on earth could have recovered... albiet, with the vessel remaining as a ticking time bomb.
In ALT://, both the parasite and the virus broke out, so eventually ALT:// earth would have ended up like Destination, were it not for the R8 Worldline 🍝

[hard linden]

he's giving me the look

[eternal talon]

you have to eat your tarantula?

[hard linden]

no i have to eat

and

feed tarantula

we both need food

[eternal talon]

ah. full stops. ||

[hard linden]

WAIT I JUST REALIZED

[eternal talon]

hm?

[hard linden]

much better

All that aside, very interesting and every time I come here I learn more

But not all

Only more

[eternal talon]

I am always around.

[hard linden]

Keeps the mind thirsty for more

ok food,
good morning/noon/evening/night/earth cycle

Coordinated Universal Time (UTC)

[eternal talon]

PST.

cascadia, north oregon.

[hard linden]

UTC is everything, earthling!

ok cya

[royal crow]

So much lore

[rocky wraith]

And I’m in now!

[wanton moss]

Why ate the players referred to ad Prisoners in the game. After learning from the like 3 logs I have ever found that the Warden and Biocom are programs (maybe organizations?), it never made sense to me that we’re called Prisoners.

[long glacier]

warden and biocom are the same entity, but the warden is a malware that is running ontop of biocom which is an ai managing the facility

[royal crow]

We started calling ourselves prisioners
Since we have no free Will
The warden realised this and started calling us like that too

[long glacier]

free will 😔

[wanton moss]

In the beginning, given the names for everything I assumed we were convicts doomed to search the Complex for these artifacts (the boosters) and maybe simply clearing the monsters and turning back on core equipment and stuff.

[eternal talon]

two, well, three reasons.

[vagrant forum]

i remember back when we still had to pay for our will 😭

[wanton moss]

But then like, obviously what I said above isn’t correct so I started to think about it.

[royal crow]

Being a KSO is having no free Will
You cant think or act by yourself

Hence prisioners

[long glacier]

touche

i gambled mine away

😔 ✊

[royal crow]

I'm pretty sure this is in the for dummies doc

[eternal talon]

1. as KSOs, the overwhelming majority of us were United States Inmates, kidnapped from prisons by Kovac.
2. We are "prisoners" under biocom, essentially slaves, without the ability to resist or disobey commands.
3. We are trapped, "imprisoned" within the complex, as the rest of the world is an apocalyptic wasteland, where all life is long dead.

[eternal talon]

eh, kind of.

[royal crow]

Warden is not an organization
He is an alien

From the collectors species

[eternal talon]

it is complicated.

it is not entirely known if it digitized itself, or if it still has a physical form somewhere in the ship, or if it ever had a physical form to begin with

but it and biocom are different.

biocom was a Kovac AI designed to control the KSOs.

the warden simply hijacked the AI's systems, using it to control the KSOs. To this day, biocom is still trying to delete the warden or otherwise rid it from its systems

[royal crow]

Fuck the Warden

Schaeffer was right all this time

[eternal talon]

we aren't searching the complex for anything. we have no choice. earth is dead. we don't have free will. we follow the orders of biocom.

we were down here before the apocalypse, and still are after it.

[royal crow]

Most of the time we are helping the warden to gain access/Open different parts of the complex

[eternal talon]

through most of r7 we are helping schaeffer, not because we want to, but because we are required to.

its kind of hard to visualize true lack of free will

there is no decision, we just do

biocom makes up our minds for us

ironically we seem to have more free will under the warden to conduct our missions than under biocom, but it still isn't much.

we know this because of the ef01 Stokes logs regarding the expedition to Destination, which Bishop took part in.

in those audio logs he is pretty much a machine with flesh.

the infamous broom closet log also helps detail this.

**Ms. Klein,

I’ve been going through the Biocom logs from last month (March-April 2054). I do this every so often to confirm that objective stacking and prioritization is functioning as expected. It’s usually all fine except for the odd hiccup if an operative has an unexpected reaction to a PRDM or a temperature dropped in their pod or something - meaning it’s invariably an outside issue and not Biocom related.

But last month we had two issues with the objective stack which seem to come directly from Biocom. These are two seperate operatives of different generations, using different boosters, on two unrelated missions.**

**The first issue I noticed was the operative was ordered to escort a group of environment techs through a restricted zone, surveil them as they cleared some blockage in a vent, then escort them out of the restricted zone. The operative completed the first four entries on the objective stack, but then added a new objective to the stack. It went to a storage closet, unlocked the door, waited for 6 minutes inside the closet, then returned to the environment tech and continued with the original stack.It didn’t take anything from the closet, didn’t speak to anyone, and didn’t initia any combat. It’s very weird. I don’t know where the new objective came from, or how it slotted in to the stack so easily - but only Biocom can do this. It’s almost as if someone was testing me to see if we’d notice. I’d appreciate it if you told me if this was a test of some kind. I don’t want to burn hours on something like this if it was contrived.

The second issue is likely more related to you. An operative told the scientist they were guarding that Project Insight “you must stop”. The scientist asked the KSO to repeat the statement, but the KSO ignored him and resumed its patrol.**

**Marcus,

We have seen similar issues with operatives making statements that seem to come out of nowhere, but that’s usually related to some outside stimulus or a poorly structured objective module. Please send me the ID of the operative so I can offline them and research. As for the other issue - maybe the schematics it had were corrupted and it thought the closet was a waypoint? I doubt if we need to worry about it.

Angela**

the KOVAC personnel treat them as less than human

because, they pretty much are at this point.

the lights are off upstairs.

they are machine.

tools.

[royal crow]

The warden is more like
"Complete all missions doing whatever it takes"

[eternal talon]

i guess a 4th reason would be us being prisoners in our own bodies.

[eternal talon]

like in r7, early missions especially, schaeffer blocks our way, and only lets us through if we do what he wants, (hsu vault, hydrokinetic case).
we complete those side objective not to help schaeffer, but so we can continue our assignment.

its a much looser leash, but we are still on a leash

r7d2, you could make an argument for us going out of our way to help schaeffer, because we are out of range, like he was, when he tore out his chip.

and on that note, what kind of morphine and surgical impliments did he get ahold of to not just immediately die after tearing out a giant ass chip from his brain/brainstem?

[royal crow]

The chip is probably really really small

So maybe he just had a small but constant bleed

He could have used some bandages or clothes

[eternal talon]

he'd have to get through the skull is the biggest issue

that kind of wound isn't just gonna close on its own

also given it goes through to your eyes... its in there pretty fucking deep

or at least has wires or sensors..

that is a whole hell of a lot of "potential to go wrong"

[royal crow]

But it didnt!!!!!!

Schaeffer is built different

[eternal talon]

henriksson uses a machine to remove his..

so you could handwaive that

but i'm not sure for schaeffer.

[cunning light]

Henrikson

[eternal talon]

but yeah, no.
the surface is 110% dead.
we are all that is left of humanity.

(barring ALT://Durant & Co)

were it not from NAM-V and Parasitidae Garganta slaughtering anything that moves, it would be from the many worldlines fusing together in bizarre ways.

r8 is an end of the world scenario after the world has already ended.

not by extinction, but by obliteration

consider, before the spaghetti, Destination in its home worldline was thousands of light years away.

for rock, sand and crystal to be warped underground into garganta...

hell, let alone the fucking mountain-side of alpha one

with how much of the universe is empty space,

just from sheer randomness new york could be replaced by a vaccum

the clasp of oxygen rushing in alone would destroy...

its madness.

if we could see the surface during r8, it'd be an absolutely gorgeous mess

a grain of sand replaced with equal volume center of a star, etc etc

and people thought R6 and the introduction of worldlines in general was a clusterfuck

part of me doesn't think the devs truly considered the ramifications of this while writing.

[wanton moss]

That is crazy.

So….

What purpose does it serve for Biocom to keep making us perform tasks in the complex (or KSO’s in general)? Are the four players, Schaeffer, and Henrikson, the only human beings left in the whole Complex as well?

So therefore there is no one to change what Biocom is doing?

[royal crow]

Its warden the one making us do tasks
Yes theres other humans

And other teams doing stuff at the same time as us

[eternal talon]

biocom hasn't given us an order once in the entirety of gameplay to my knoweldge.

[royal crow]

KDS Deep can hold 32k humans

[eternal talon]

there are ~32,000 total KSOs

in staff, hundreds of thousands, but all except for Dauda and Schaeffer to our knowlege are also long dead.

schaeffer and dauda only survived because they entered hydrostasis, and were automatically implanted with control chips

[royal crow]

For example
In R5B4 we act as bait for the sleepers while other team is doing whatever they are doing

[eternal talon]

they aren't ksos... but they are ksos.

[wanton moss]

Oh interesting.

[eternal talon]

if you'd like a basic synopsis of the lore, i'd highly reccomend reading the GTFO Lore For Dummies documents (.pdf and .txt) in the pins of this channel.

they exclusively cover pre-apocalypse lore, so no gameplay spoilers.

[wanton moss]

Oh cool.

[eternal talon]

the warden took control of biocom a long time ago, secretly, back when actual people were still alive down here

~6-7 years ago

[wanton moss]

Yeah honestly I haven’t been checking a lot of terminals for logs because A- I’m chasing first time clears and recording them, B- super stressed out, and C- maybe not super thinking about it.

[wanton moss]

Oh interesting. One of the only logs I found mentions that I think.

[eternal talon]

then i'd for sure recomend reading the docs. I can answer anything they don't, and otherwise give further clarification on points if needed.

it's about a 20 minute read between the two

[royal crow]

I recommend checking for logs once in a while

Some logs are a bitch to get to

It's better to get them once you are there

[eternal talon]

there are over 200 of them

though ~60 aren't or never were in-game.

[wanton moss]

I used to look for them all the time but I feel like every terminal I found before R3 the logs were always just like server talk and code.

[royal crow]

If a terminal says there is one log

[eternal talon]

makes sense statistically that 2-3 would be behind bullshit error alarms

[royal crow]

Then its just a terminal log

Not an actual log

[eternal talon]

it is autogen status

[royal crow]

If it says 2 or more then there is an actual log

[eternal talon]

if a terminal says it has 2 or more, it actually has a lore log.

[wanton moss]

Yes Autogen status or something is what I’d always get.

[eternal talon]

autogen logs are entirely randomized.

they are mostly an old keyword puzzle

but don't give you much information on their own

[eternal talon]

terminals in the environment that look like they say stuff don't either, barring a few exceptions. it is all copy-pasted autogen status

[wanton moss]

Lol I used to check a lot of those too

[royal crow]

OG picture detected

[eternal talon]

hahaha, same

[eternal talon]

2019 c*m foam

[royal crow]

Frostty

[eternal talon]

i have tons of og pictures

[royal crow]

Why were you typing the commands in chat

[eternal talon]

it was 2019, half a decade ago, i don't remember

probably showing somebody commands via screenshare

i have more suspicious chat pictures

[wanton moss]

Yeah prolly telling someone how to use terminal. Teammate prolly didn’t have mic or something.

[acoustic ferry]

@eternal talonyou said somehting earlier about one of the crew members being the only one who survivves

why is that?

[eternal talon]

i'm not entirely sure what you mean

dauda?

[acoustic ferry]

yes

[eternal talon]

dauda wasn't actually a KSO.

he worked for Insight.

he was a scientist, in charge of human experimentation with the virus with the goal of finding a cure

(a cure which doesn't exist)

[royal crow]

This man solos GTFO

[acoustic ferry]

bros unarmed at 45 percent doesnt care

[dry oak]

by consistently getting stuck in walls?

[acoustic ferry]

so how did he survive?

[eternal talon]

he was one of the last surviving humans (discounting KSOs) within garganta.

he was trapped in his lab with sleepers breaking down the door

he entered a hydrostasis unit to avoid being torn to pieces

[dry oak]

Is dauda chipped? i have a vague memory that he climbed into a HSU when the lab was attacked, but how did he become part of Legion?

yeah

[eternal talon]

this is detailed in an audio log. i can go get it if you'd like

[acoustic ferry]

don't bother its ok

[royal crow]

Theory says the HSU gives You a chip if You don't have one

[eternal talon]

the chipping seems to be automatic, as schaeffer was made into a KSO the same way

[royal crow]

Same in the ALT universe

[dry oak]

2:20 huh.

these audio logs get long.

[royal crow]

You should hear Maddox ASMR

[dry oak]

i might skip r4d2 and r4e1 at this point to get to more lore

[eternal talon]

the consequences of your brain melting inside your skull

[acoustic ferry]

so what I gather is: everything happens similarly for both timelines until r6, were the ogs do r7 and then their part of r8 whilst the alt jump straight from r6 to their part of r8. In r8 the ogs crew kill the shaeffers and get the cubes before the alts get them and escape.

is that it?

[royal crow]

And some other stuff in between yeah

Thats pretty much it

[eternal talon]

pretty much.

there is a sub-plot on the OG side of r8 with schaeffer trying to cause a bunch of meltdown with the nuclear reactors

and with ALT:// trying to find the coordinates to the clean worldline in one of Insight's datahubs.

[royal crow]

And we betraying Schaeffer

[acoustic ferry]

so alt does the work for the ogs

[royal crow]

OG also helps ALT

They give them the Project Insight data

[dry oak]

is there a lore justification for the other non-playable corpses of BWHD in R8?

[royal crow]

Multiple worldline colliding into each other

Which means multiple us

[eternal talon]

they are all different versions of our quad from the spaghettified worldlines that died.

[acoustic ferry]

it seems weird that characters supposedly know this is going on and they don't comment on it

[dry oak]

brain chips will do that to you

[eternal talon]

ALT:// syndrome

[acoustic ferry]

what is BWHD

[dry oak]

BishopWoodsHackettDauda

[acoustic ferry]

spaghetiffied?

[eternal talon]

there are more corpses in other levels too

last count was something like half a dozen different dead versions of our quad

[acoustic ferry]

why spaghettified though?

[eternal talon]

that is just what i jokingly call r8

[royal crow]

Because múltiple worldlines into each other

Like spaghetti

[acoustic ferry]

oh

[eternal talon]

the matter wave projector is dragging a ton of different worldlines (noodles) together

into a mess

(spaghetti)

[dry oak]

for some reason everyone is coming to the same dimension, each thinking it is their original

[acoustic ferry]

so a ton of worldines clashed together but only the ogs survived?

[royal crow]

Yes

We are the Perfect squad after all

[eternal talon]

not really clashed

the matter wave projector was just merging them into one single worldline

with terrible consequences as a result

[acoustic ferry]

thats what i meant

[eternal talon]

^

[acoustic ferry]

were they all trying to do the same thing

as in escape?

like trying to get the cubes

[royal crow]

Considering how one random team had the MWP, yes

[eternal talon]

perhaps. we don't know.