gtfo-lore

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oh crossout

~~

on both sides

text

• is for italics

[worn rivet]

okay lets see

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** is bold

*** is bold italic

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i guess single dot with no closer is also a bulletin

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two of them

there ya go

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did it thanks

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underline with two _s

discord has a lot of text formatting

three `s for a

programming box

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garganta's vent system must be an absoulute mess

[eternal talon]

there really aren't any good irl comparisons, but the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notobasis_syriaca syrian thistle is the closest i've found for the shrubs

even flowers the same color

[worn rivet]

ahh yes those things, it says native to those areas, except the british have their own kind that makes it almost impossible to sit down in grass

[eternal talon]

considering schaeffer used it to get around before he HSU'd himself, definitely.

could also explain how sleepers always spawn two zones away

they're coming out of the goddamn walls

[worn rivet]

like if you look at any big building complexs ones, they have messes of ones. And garganta is fucking massive in size, so them being in the walls is possible

[eternal talon]

i don't really have a lot of pictures of random piping...

[worn rivet]

oh fucking god above, the piping and sewage system.

[eternal talon]

you are just describing the floodworks tileset

[worn rivet]

the vents is the start of it, and then you think of how it's below sea level.

[raw terrace]

i like the broken one B]

[eternal talon]

a great many pumps.

[worn rivet]

so the piping has to go up and around, and then there's the whole filtration system

[eternal talon]

you know, it is really hard to get oxygen this far down

[worn rivet]

i mean the sewage filtration

I think of some weird shit with gtfo

[eternal talon]

don't forget the massive kitchens either, putting out co2
** I haven't eaten since this started, I – I tried to get to commissary but there's a hundred of them in there just waiting.**

[worn rivet]

oh, then there's the food system, i have so many theories on how they fed the workers

[eternal talon]

Incident Description
Myself and an unknown Kovac Security Operative (unknown because KSOs apparently do not have to give their name when asked) got into an altercation when he refused me entry to my own sleeping quarters. The security officer informed me that my belongings were being "processed". When I asked what that meant I got no response. I then attempted to gain access to MY OWN QUARTERS and was forcefully prevented entry.

[worn rivet]

including using corpses, masses of poultry, and prison stuff

[eternal talon]

all workers and employees have their own sleeping quarters and amenities.

so there are offices, bedrooms/apartments, bathrooms, kitchens, etc, we just don't get to see them

of of it anyway would be on the upper floors

and we spend most of our time near the bottom, barring A-tier expeditions

(even A tier is a couple hundred meters down)

[worn rivet]

corpse stuff meaning any dead bodies were used as food

[eternal talon]

i don't think that'd be something that would be happening until the very very end

and even then, i really doubt it

by that point just about everyone knows how lethal the virus is

if you had it, they'd kick you out of wherever they were hiding

remember, the warden sealed all of the doors, and the sleepers coming from far below, the upper floors held out the longest

[worn rivet]

so they just executed you

by sleepers

[eternal talon]

**//HearSay auto-transcript begins//

Teale
I let him go. I had to. He was, his manic behavior was a danger to us all. I mean I didn’t see any other way to… I think I may have received… or… or been given a dose… of whatever it is that… I just… wait. I didn’t tell you the patient’s name. I’m sorry. It’s Edgar… His employee ID is… you can look it up. But… but he’s gone now. I tried everything but the more I listened to him, the more sense it made. I think… I think… he’s right. There’s that noise… that… it’s like insects in my skull. it’s there, I hear it. I can see them moving sometimes, in the corner. It’s not a hallucination. It’s clearly an infestation and no one seems to care about it. Ever since that BIOCOM thing took over there’ no people left to talk to. It’s just machines. This is a machine. I’m talking to one now. Susan! Susan! Come in here I don’t want to use this thing–
[4.7 second silence]
Teale
I don’t know where she’s gone. She’s been ignoring me. Something is up with her. I catch her looking at me all the time…
[3.2 second silence]
Teale
Edgar Soweta. We can close the file on him. KDS have removed him from the Complex so I doubt if we’ll ever see him again. Actually… don’t write that Susan. I don’t want that on the record. Susan? Don’t add that to the record, okay? Hearsay off.
[1.6 second silence]
Teale
I can’t trust her, or them. I have a job to do. Or do i? Maybe that’s the point. What if they want to see how much it affects me? This thing, that’s changing people, what if it’s me they really want? What if… what if Edgar was put here to test me?
[3.3 second silence]
Teale
I have to get out of here.**

dissenters were also executed. people who knew too much

being shot was very very easy.

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oh..that gives us a perspective on what the infected saw in their pherial vison at times and those noises hmm, but not sleeperifed yet ones. intresting

[worn rivet]

oh..oh that image that description makes is horrific, and the bug might be the parasite which..oh fuck that's gross to think about.

oh hell i didnt hear that end bit

[eternal talon]

parasitidae garganta

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parasitidae

given they are alien in nature, they obviously aren't actual members of the parasitidae family, but that is what they were classified as.

## Goals
I need to complete the process of naming the parasites. I have instructed by staff to temporarily call them the Parasitidae Hammerstein, but I'm not sure if I like it yet.

(guess who wrote that)

jk, its obviously mr. ego

[worn rivet]

okay, whoever did the sound design in this game is excellent in their works but horrific in their sound effect department, dauda maybe

he did all that virus experimental stuff

[eternal talon]

that he did. dauda did human experimentation in an attempt to determine the capabilities of the virus and to find a cure

he succeed at one of those things

[worn rivet]

giving the virus plenty of bodies to feed on, and found out it's capabilities.

[eternal talon]

he was a monster

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i know this sounds weird, but all the logs where it's got one of the main 4 in it either alone or with another, which one of the 4 talks oddly quiet. Oh, this is the nightmare log which made me think abbado dauda has, even if it might be little, remorse for his actions but it doesnt change the horrificly bad nature of his tortues experiments. His accent is intresting, the image that needle bit gives is AHAH.

[eternal talon]

It is my conscience telling me to stop, imploring me to change who I am, what I do. But I cannot. I am in this now. I must finish the work. It will have value one day. I'm sure of it... I hope. Hearsay, off.

from ALT://

[worn rivet]

also for like a 40 to 50 year old (or however old he is), dauda sounds remarkbly good.

[eternal talon]

they already exist in perpetual torment without the violence we perpetrate upon them.
he knows

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dauda knew of how the person who once lived are awake in the infected and mangled form of the sleepers

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**The virus is remarkable. It appears to have been perfectly designed to infect regardless of the
Circumstance. When it finds a host, it induces coughing, sweating, sneezing, and ultimately violent attacks
to draw blood and saliva. Without a host, it can transfer itself through any medium. The only test I have
not been able to perform yet is in a vacuum, but I am planning such experiments next week as soon as I
receive new subjects from Mr. Piros.

Research continues.

Dr Abeo Dauda A153**

[worn rivet]

When dauda says any medium, if he truly meant that then humanity was completly fucked anyway

cause the only soloution would be to burn every sleeper and that entire earth to just be able to completly get rid of it

[eternal talon]

**Through my experiments, I have discovered the virus has a multipronged attack strategy, which not only
increases the R0, but also allows it to be highly contagious in multiple environments. Infected individual
can release create pathogens and fomites through any bodily fluid. The virus has been observed in fluids
extracted from anywhere on the patient - sweat, blood, saliva, bile, urine, even in the aqueous and
vitreous humors. The virus can also survive for several weeks while airborne or on surfaces. In my control
tests, subjects exposed to locations that had been contaminated up to 4 weeks prior to exposure still
contracted the virus. This was also true of subjects immersed in various solutions (I tried fresh water, salt
water, and several synthetic oils and polymers). 85% of subjects contracted the virus within a few
hours. The remaining 15% who survived other exposure methods contracted the virus when exposed to a
vaporus environment heavily dosed infected fomites.

The parasite that we had previously attributed as the primary carrier of the virus is, in my opinion, merely
another victim of this remarkable lifeform. The only difference is the virus does not mutate the parasites,
rather it prolongs the life cycle of the parasite indefinitely. The relationship is symbiotic. The parasite
carries the virus to new hosts, and the virus helps the parasite live for an extended (and currently
unknown) period. Perhaps indefinitely.**

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oh

[eternal talon]

the other half of that log

[worn rivet]

that means alot of things

[eternal talon]

from durant:

We can assert categorically that both NAM-V and Parasitidae Garganta are extraterrestrial in origin. There is no way of knowing for sure if they evolved in the same location (or even if they evolved at all), but we do know that the environmental conditions for both lifeforms was at least very similar as their structural framework share many features. It is highly likely they have the same origin, wherever that may be.

**
The progenitor of the relationship between the virus and the parasite is not clear, so I have been working under Dr. Dauda's theory that the virus happened upon the parasite at some point, found it to be an appropriate host, and evolved to manipulate the behavior of the parasite to ensure transmission. We have also discovered that the extent of viral mutation within the parasites is unusually high. Each infected parasite carries it's own mutation of the virus, which means that any host with multiple parasites will allow the mutated viruses to gene shuffle and create new strains. Many of the new strains lead to mutations of the host to varying degrees, resulting in the physical deformities we see in some hosts. This is almost certainly the cause of at least some of the abominations that have been uncovered as excavations towards the Inner continue.**

**
However, I have also isolated hundreds of parasites that do not carry the virus and yet their behavior is identical to infected parasites, indicating the presence of collective intelligence. The parasites are highly social and will work together to ensure attachment to a host - using strategies that are far beyond the capability of an individual parasite. It is unlikely that these complex behaviors can all be attributed to implanted behaviors from the virus.**

**
The relationship is certainly symbiotic. The virus triggers life-prolonging chemical production in the parasite, and the parasite provides a suspendable organic structure for the virus. The parasite transmits the virus to new hosts, and in turn the virus alters the behavior of the host to accept the presence of the parasite and inhibit the desire to remove it.**

**
With so many mutations of NAM-V being created with each new host, there are potentially millions of strains of NAM-V that no longer require a parasite to transmit. This explains why Dr. Dauda's research shows such resilience in the virus. It evolves everywhere, in every way. This virus is an omnipotent force of nature.**

**
The only method we have found of killing the virus is by stopping the biological functions of the host through hydrostasis (or death). Fortunately, the parasites have not yet found a way into the HSUs. However, after hydrostasis reinfection is possible. We continue to improve our sterilization and prophylaxis methods, but we are fighting a losing battle. I see no future for us if we do not seek the origin of these lifeforms and find an immune genome. If we are to survive NAM-V, we must turn to the nature that created it. Evolution has had millions of years to fight the virus. We have months.**

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something intresting is how each of the leaders of the companies writes

in logs of theirs

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and then you have hammerstein:

**# The Hammerstein Collection

Abstract

This is the weekly report of Dr. Gallus Hammerstein, lead researcher and founder (or co-founder according to some) of Project Insight. I have decided to stop using the Hearsay system to record my daily and weekly notes as I believe prying eyes may wish to take my research and use it for their own gain. As such, I will be keeping all of my files local in a markdown vault so that I have complete control over the information I am gathering. This is clearly the wisest solution given the competitive nature of the staff I have hired for Insight.**

**

Weekly Achievements

This week we received a new shipment of specimen display cases and formaldehyde. To their credit, Dreyfus have been more than helpful in making sure my project is sufficiently funded and supported for the last 2 years. I'm glad they recognize the importance of my work.
**

**
I have started a photographic record of the specimens. At some point in the future I will be getting published for these breakthrough discoveries and will need imagery for the inevitable book and tour lectures.**

**
This week I drew the conclusion that the lifeforms we have been finding do not appear to come from the same evolutionary tree. Indeed, many of them appear to have at least partially evolved in drastically different environments, though there is clearly a commonality in the mutations they all share. There is no indication that the artifacts and objects we have found within the fossil were designed for use by any of the creatures, so quite how they ended up there is still a mystery. The bizarre disappearance of the equipment while working on Artifact 13 suggests some method of transformation or even transportation beyond our current understanding. As such, the origin of these creatures remains a mystery - but they come from different places. Different planets? Universes? I am confident I will unravel the mystery, but my impatience for understanding is overwhelming!**

**

Goals

I want to display my specimens in as many places as possible to inspire my team to new discoveries. The Hammerstein Collection is destined to be one of the scientific wonders of the world and I feel it is my duty to reward my staff by showing off the work they do to their peers. It is inspirational and I will allow forgive myself for this brief display of pride.**

**
I will be conducting a behavioral analysis of the few living creatures we have managed to capture. They have an extreme sensitivity to aural stimulation, so I will be setting up an experiment to project a range of frequencies throughout the lower levels of Garganta to see which ones draw the most attention. Obviously, this will be a controlled experiment. We will have Security Officers there to protect the researchers as they capture as many varieties of creature as possible. In an ideal world, I would need to order more display cases!

It should be perfectly safe if everyone does as I say. Next week will be monumental for Project Insight!**

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ahh, yes the egotistical prick

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(the formatting is included in the log)

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hammerstein writes his with a sense of insane amounts of ego and that he does this for his own gain, while durant writes with a sense of info gathering and noting down things with it's operation and credits others

[eternal talon]

also it seems he captured live sleepers, during his expedition

like that is such an amazing idea

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and then there's the third who i forget their name but writes with a sense of confusion and hope

[eternal talon]

this log appears to be just before the blast caused by the alien gun

since he mentions his frequency test

that ended up causing it to fire

[eternal talon]

without a name i can't link it, sorry

i assume you mean stokes, from insight at least?

[worn rivet]

oh yeah, the gun that somehow didnt explode earth itself after shooting the heat of the sun out. Yeah stokes

that's his name

[eternal talon]

collector tech be tripping balls

[eternal talon]

stokes is wamen

[worn rivet]

wait their a women

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i blame alt://r6 removing half of her logs

[worn rivet]

isnt that two ksos she mentions

[eternal talon]

it doesn't seem like she has many, if any text logs... just a shit ton of hearsay recordings

seems like the kind of person to make audio recordings instead of paper

[eternal talon]

what two KSOs?

C067 and C085, well C067 is schaeffer so...

not ksos

at least not yet

[worn rivet]

like i said, she in the logs has a sense of hope with at least somewhat knowledge on what the stuff is and newbie talk. The numbers in her log, which means that was when schaffer got launched to destination isnt it

[eternal talon]

schaeffer never went to destination...

i think you are confused

[worn rivet]

wait he didnt?

[eternal talon]

The two employees who first discovered the object (the matter wave projector) ** disappeared as soon as they touched it.**
We know this because there were two witnesses to the event: C067 and C085.”

schaeffer was a pit boss working in the mines for santonian, leading a team of miners.

they probably encountered it while drilling a new tunnel, called Insight in, and watched as the two reps that got called down vanished

this event is entirely unrelated to EF01

this was before they lost a wing of their lab to it, even

[worn rivet]

yeah, must've got that mixed up with however did get yeeted there

which i think was one of the two bishops or hackets

[eternal talon]

discord can't censor official lore

[eternal talon]

hackett was never a part of ef01...

[worn rivet]

what even set that off, there's been worse logs

[eternal talon]

it was Bishop, Durant, 3 other unknown KSOs, who all died, and an unknown team of scientists, who all also died

in OG the bishop that left is the same bishop that returned.

in ALT://, we get the log where their bishop wasn't the one that returned

[worn rivet]

huh yeah, wait that alt bit means...

[eternal talon]

alt didn't go to destination. they went to the jungle world.

there is already a living bishop on the jungle world with durant and co.

the alt://bishop isn't the alt://bishop

that is it.

[worn rivet]

wait so your saying that the alt bishop from durants team is not the alt one we play as intresting... that jungle planet is weird

[eternal talon]

alt://team are all from the alt://worldline, born and raised there, except who we know as alt://bishop. the real alt://bishop is living with durant and the rest of the scientists and KSO team on the jungle planet.

so post r8e2, the two bishops would presumably meet.

[eternal talon]

where who we think is alt://bishop came from? who the hell knows!

[worn rivet]

if only alt team could've been brought with them, it would've been the spiderman meme with guns. or the cod zombies meeting thingy

[eternal talon]

i mean it is still spiderman with OG bishop and the original alt://bishop

if OG took alt:// with them, there would be 3 bishops

[worn rivet]

yeah, i mean the 2 groups meeting each other could've ended with both groups shooting each other on sight or the 8 working together to GET THE FUCK out

[eternal talon]

is there anything else you'd like to talk about?

[worn rivet]

or you know the insane amount of sleepers on alt team's asses along with the tons on og team's leading to their deaths

i have nothing, for now i am trying to figure out what their reactions would be to eachother

[vagrant forum]

how many total people were in garganta?

/ whats an upper bound for the number of sleepers in the complex

[eternal talon]

1st: we don't know the total number of collectors that were infected on the vessel.
2nd: we don't know the total number of specimens that were infected on the vessel that the collectors had collected.
3rd: we don't know how many ancient Mayans were trapped/infected during their war during the 16th century.
4th: Of KSOs, 32,000.
5th: Of workers, scientists, and staff... Garganta was fucking huuuuge. I'd easily say several hundred thousand.

[worn rivet]

gtfo's alt and og teams are all insane or have clear signs of mental stuff

[raw terrace]

some do

woods hackett dauda but bishop could be sort of fine

just an ass

ptsd?

[worn rivet]

dauda and hackett are the most prominent of the 4

actuallly it's either hackett or Wodds, but then bishop is the most "normal" of the groups

[raw terrace]

woods might just have the mandate of heaven so its kinda hard to tell

[tough wave]

Hackett is just a sociopath iirc

[raw terrace]

yes

he funny no-feel-shit man

[tough wave]

Yeah, iirc Woods has turbo ptsd doesn't he?

[raw terrace]

woods just killed some people

[worn rivet]

most of the crew has some kind of ptsd

[raw terrace]

and then said "god praise the lord!"

and uh accidentally predicted his future

twice

[worn rivet]

caused by a fucking variety of things

[raw terrace]

thats why i say he just might have the mandate

he might just actually be blessed by god

[worn rivet]

one being garganta's hellhole and how alot of them have been through a lot of traumatic stuff in their backstories

abusive parents, warzones, classified stuff.

[raw terrace]

being british

very fucked up stuff

[worn rivet]

dont get me started on that

these are mostly the og ones: woods, these are all based of psycholgy and my opnion, has a kind of insanity (he claimed to hear the voice of god) along with most likely having ptsd, due to being in a warzone and garganta, also might be a sociopath. Dauda is a complex case, due to him being a fucking weirdly documented character, i think dauda has a kinds of ptsd, caused by his past and other things, judging by how he speaks of his actions and what he did in the experiments, could be either a socio or a psychopath. Hackett most definetly is a functioning pyschopath, as he happily joined legion and killed over 20 civilans in a village for no reason, has mental shit from his father judging by how hackett said if he saw him, hacketts father would have a bullet in his brain, and gargantas stuff. Bishop is the most normal of the entire squad, has probably got alot of lingering mental problems from his time in velincia: That's all i got.

[raw terrace]

nah nah

woods is just uh uh based KSMDKM

[worn rivet]

what

is that acronym

[tough wave]

It's not one

[raw terrace]

its not one

femboy laugh

[worn rivet]

huh

the end of r8e2 looks beautiful

the lighting looks nice, the many many explosions helps makes the escape more frantic, the kidnapper sleepers just coming in for the ending to screw you over, the og teams betrayal of alt team, how we drag an entire bit of kds deep with us on the exit teleport.

[raw terrace]

wish it was just more batshit insane on enemies but otherwise its great

just shouldve had like every enemy, shadow charger big charger striker shooter

not just sleeper and tentacle sleeper

[worn rivet]

oh god, that after fighting a kraken and 2 tanks, if they threw all of that and a few mothers would have made for an absoulute hell of a finale

wait....if we drag a chunk of kds deep with us, could we have brought biocom/the warden with us too

[raw terrace]

i mean probs not mothers kmsdkms

but everythin else wouldve been fun

moreso as ur stacked UP by resources by that point

[raw terrace]

warden just lives in the general biocom but if im not wrong kds is just the storage, not the brains of it

the brains of biocom are in the mainframe

which isss r7d2

thats were we trojan it

[worn rivet]

yeah the storage systems, and we dont know how much of kds we drag in with us.

[raw terrace]

thank u for validating me frosty

[eternal talon]

I'm cooking potatoes

[raw terrace]

judging by the looks, the same room we extract from

[raw terrace]

:O DELICIOU

[eternal talon]

That's why I haven't jumped in rn

[raw terrace]

yummy

[worn rivet]

yeah, the same room and about a few hundred hsu's

[eternal talon]

Still reading tho

[raw terrace]

i wanna drop a certified gtfo fact but im plannin a vid on it

so i cants

[worn rivet]

the worldlines merging in r8 due to matterwave collapse, could lead to so many scenarios

some funny, some bad.

[raw terrace]

the funny: a2
the bad: uh dying

:D

[worn rivet]

it just blocked my message

[raw terrace]

me when automodded

[worn rivet]

cause i said 15 skyscrappers merging at once

in the same space at the same time with all of the occupants inside, suddenly going pop

[long glacier]

i wish one of our characters was a chronic gambler

[raw terrace]

nothing says hackett wasnt

[long glacier]

wouldve been easier to absorb myself into the environmental story telling

[worn rivet]

I mean, there's nothing saying they werent

[long glacier]

put that on skibidi

[raw terrace]

dauda gambling on the life of his experiments

[worn rivet]

or the two schaffers playing blackjack till death or the jungle planet team playing card games to stay entertained

[long glacier]

REAL

[worn rivet]

in a heavy technicality, the team that goes to the jungle planet with one of the companys leads, was said to have at least one woman, so humanity can restart.

[royal crow]

Not really

Not big enough DNA pool

[worn rivet]

i ssaid with a heavy technicality, cause the woman might've just died at some point to any number of things and the dna pool thingy

[raw terrace]

should i remind u the almost entirety of kds is there too

kds deep

with probably a lot of hydrokinetic liquid

[worn rivet]

they dont have the stuff needed to pull them out of it, cause in one of the logs when schaffer does it without the liquid, the kso dies fast to say the least.

[royal crow]

Do we even have what it's needed to wake them up?

And not get a second Maddox incident

[raw terrace]

the kds operative immediately went batshit insane

[raw terrace]

they first probably know as they are scientist after the rapture and second could have come with the chunk of kds deep

its kds deep how would they not have hydrokinectic liquid

[royal crow]

Maddox brain was turning into liquid

Funny stuff

[worn rivet]

the hell does hydrokinectic mean

[raw terrace]

hydrokinetic liquid is the thing that helps them awake normally and not go batshit insanse

we collect a hydrokinetic fluid collection case for schaeffer in r7b1

[royal crow]

They don't go insane
They start dying slowly

Different stuff

[raw terrace]

so he could wake up henrikkson

[raw terrace]

uh uh same thing

he sounded pretty crazy

u kno

jumping to kill schaeffer n shit

[royal crow]

His brain was turning into liquid

[raw terrace]

skill issue

[worn rivet]

closest thing to it is hypokentic which means abnormally decreased movement, or a movement disorder

[raw terrace]

hydrokinetic relates to hydro-water kinetic-movement fluid-fluid

so technically its energy converted into liquid from plants

[worn rivet]

intresting

[worn rivet]

huh

[raw terrace]

W

[eternal talon]

Less than half knew the total number of KSOs??

[eternal talon]

Also I am really surprised this one is lower than destination's location

[worn rivet]

huh i guess most of us didnt

[warm bronze]

i didnt even know that that was the naming structure for nebulae

so, I had no idea
and I guessed the scout subspecies tbh, cuz I didnt remember

memory was the same thing w the KSOs, itd just been a while since I really looked at my notes n the numbers and specifics

[eternal talon]

there are a bunch... NGC is just https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_General_Catalogue

[warm bronze]

makes sense

[eternal talon]

i picked NGC for all multiple choices in the 6000 range

the ones in the question are all reall nebulae

[warm bronze]

i presumed so lol

[eternal talon]

and they are all very beautiful.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat's_Eye_Nebula

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NGC_6240

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NGC_6357

[warm bronze]

ooooh indeed

[eternal talon]

from '6357 via hubble deep space telescope

looks like something out of a sci-fi poster

[royal crow]

@tough wave

This is what the warden/Biocom sees when waking us up

[eternal talon]

And through all of our expeditions

Through our neural chip

[tough wave]

That feels so

Imperfect

Why not just slap a chest cam on em or something

[royal crow]

Too expensive

Warden ran out of budget

[tough wave]

"Neural chip"

[eternal talon]

There are 32,000 of us

And the universe is post-apocalyptic

It's why all of our guns are trash

Warden is making do with scraps and repurposing stuff

[tough wave]

I'd argue if they have the money to RnD a chip that turns you into a slave they can afford some gopros

Nah like

Originally

Biocom

[eternal talon]

For that I can't say.

Perhaps the fact that the scene pictured is so dark, is the issue

[tough wave]

Kovac and the KSOs predate Warden controlling us, so it's insane to me to think the optimal way to feed info back to a handler was through an eyeball

[eternal talon]

But under normal lighting it would see more

Biocom likely had other ways, too

Like the hearsay network to track our positions, or other senses via the chip

It never really had to worry about us

We cannot disobey it, like, physically, at all

And we do exactly as programmed

Nothing more, nothing less

[tough wave]

I might be misunderstanding then

[eternal talon]

Under biocom, we were like genuine robots

[tough wave]

Was biocom an ai running the teams?

[eternal talon]

One log describes a KSO being ordered to stand in a broom closet for 20 minutes. This was when warden was first learning the system

Another has Bishop standing on the EF01 launch pad for hours waiting to be carted back to deep by kovac staff

Motionless and without speaking

[eternal talon]

Yes

[tough wave]

Okay, that makes more sense then

[eternal talon]

Biocom ran all 32,000 KSOs within the complex

[tough wave]

An AI doesn't need eyes like that

[eternal talon]

Kovac designed it along side legion

[tough wave]

I figured this was being fed back to like, a handler

A human of sorts to observe

[eternal talon]

Nah. It's all back to the ai

Kovac controls the ai, the ai controls the legion

[tough wave]

Not a lot of uh

Government oversight in the GTFO universe huh

[eternal talon]

Dreyfus alone owns half the companies on the planet

Kovac literally had governmental control over the yucatan

They bought it from mexico

The entire peninsula

[tough wave]

Is GTFO commentary on unchecked late stage capitalism?

[eternal talon]

It would be if everyone wasn't already dead

Moreso corporate greed

Seriously though, read the for dummies docs in the pins.

It's what they are there for

[tough wave]

I am illiterate

I'll tell you I will at some point

[eternal talon]

Bro.... God help you

[tough wave]

If something had letters and multiple pages I have to be in the mood for it, unironically

[tough wave]

Oh we're probably the dead opposite

If I find a log in the terminals in game I open it for the achievement and do not read that mf lmao

[eternal talon]

Well let me put it this way, it's impossible to learn the lore by yourself

[tough wave]

Yeah, that's why I'm not bothering to at all

I am shoot the sleepers

[coral gorge]

what is this lore activity? Lores not dead?

[tough wave]

And walking through garganta

[eternal talon]

You missed the quiz cubix!

F for you!

[coral gorge]

yeah i saw
Truly unfortunate

[tough wave]

How much minutia does GTFO lore have

[eternal talon]

What does minutia mean

[tough wave]

Do they ever explain how ETC tech got advanced enough to be used in man portable weaponry?

[tough wave]

Literally; small, precise, and trivial details

[eternal talon]

I don't know what etc means, but no.

[tough wave]

ETC is Hel weapons

[eternal talon]

Some of it insanely, some of it not at all

[tough wave]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrothermal-chemical_technology

[eternal talon]

Gtfo goes to all sorts of twisty corners

[tough wave]

Or at least what Hel weapons seem to be inspired by

It's really cool stuff tbh

[eternal talon]

Hel weapons are hel weapons

Hybrid electro thermal

Mini railguns

[tough wave]

Frosty

Etc stands for electro thermal chemical

Hel weapons are ETC guns

[eternal talon]

Answer is still no

[tough wave]

Shame

[eternal talon]

It just is

[tough wave]

We have em irl

They're super cool tbh

But they're also like, 140mm

[eternal talon]

But we do know a bunch about the ancient 16th century Mayan civilization

[tough wave]

I am familiar with the mayans in GTFO

Fuckin

[eternal talon]

They fought the virus and somehow fuckin won

Or at least made it a draw

Since they died out, but the earth didn't go extinct

[tough wave]

Who would've guessed you only need a macuahuitl to fuck up sleepers

[eternal talon]

They describe fighting "flea demons", Ala the parasite and the sleepers

Though the sleepers they would have fought, none would have been human

[tough wave]

I mean unironically how the fuck do you explain the mayans winning

[eternal talon]

It's funny to think hammerstein and his expeditions could have encountered sleeperified mayans

[eternal talon]

A lot of self sacrifices.

Going down knowing you can't go back up because you'd be infected

Sending soldiers into the caves to take as many with them as possible, suicide missions

[tough wave]

I mean

Alright look at it this way

How did the mayans manage to beat it back when Kovac/Santonian/whatever the conglomerate with tens of thousands of biological weapons and presumably infinite money couldn't?

[eternal talon]

We use spears in-game as a melee option... imagine them dealing with the equivalent of a blood door or scout wave... Melee only

[tough wave]

That's what I'm saying

You'd have run out of mayans

[eternal talon]

Just fucking chads.

[gray bone]

Perhaps they did run out

[eternal talon]

That's it. That's the meme. Gigachad mayans.

[eternal talon]

They DID run out.

Canonically, it is what caused the IRL fall and disappearance of the civilization

[gray bone]

Or rather, they were much, MUCH more concerned about the sleepers than the conglomerates did
And engaged in strategies that simply sealed those that fought the sleepers and the sleepers themselves away

[eternal talon]

The superbug log talks about this

[tough wave]

Yk what'd have been cool?

Sleeperized dinosaurs

[eternal talon]

Gtfo but you play as the mayans?

[tough wave]

GTFO but in R8 there's a sleeper t rex

[eternal talon]

I mean... it's mega fucking unlikely but the vessel's crashing did wipe them out...

Maybe one or two made it down there before they died of starvation

[tough wave]

Oh my God I was guessing it was the asteroid that wiped the dinos it came down on

I'm right?

[eternal talon]

Except it wasn't an asteroid in the gtfo universe. It was the collector's ship

The collectors had on board the virus, the parasite, and tons and tons of catalogued species

[tough wave]

And crashed

[eternal talon]

Santonian thought their ship was a vein of iridium, and dug into it

[tough wave]

On Earth

[eternal talon]

That's how it got out

[tough wave]

Do I get to see the inside of the ship later?

I'd like to see alien species

[eternal talon]

No

And I fucking HATE THAT

[tough wave]

Lame as fuck ngl

[eternal talon]

We don't get to see them either

[tough wave]

Like unironically wildly lame

[eternal talon]

We never get to go to the ship

[tough wave]

Considering they catalysted the game

Give me a cool space jockey moment

[eternal talon]

Closest we get is ~400 meters above it

At the lowest expedition depth

[tough wave]

GTFO could've done a cool space jockey moment with a collector

And a ship level

[eternal talon]

As far as we know the warden is the last "living" collector

[tough wave]

He could be dead for all I care, I just want to see one, yk?

Granted the corpses in this game are kinda low quality models sometimes

[eternal talon]

That is what caused the holes we drop down into too, btw

[tough wave]

The ship crashing?

[eternal talon]

During insight's expeditions, they accidentally triggered one of the ship's weapons systems

According to the logs, the blasts burned at a temperature only thought to have occurred during the big bang...

[tough wave]

Yeah well

If the alien species was so advanced whyd they crash land and doom us, huh?

Don't drink and fly.

[eternal talon]

Their crew got overun

It got out somehow, and their crew was infected

[tough wave]

You ever watch Pandorum?

[eternal talon]

The ship drifted for a time, and eventually fell into our orbit

[eternal talon]

Never heard of it.

[tough wave]

Tbh I think you'd like it

[eternal talon]

But the scenario reminds me a lot of john carpenter's the thing

[tough wave]

2009 Sci Fi horror, dude wakes up out of cryogenic stasis to find himself on a mostly abandoned ship with a bunch of "things"

Think you'd like it tbh

Kinda Event Horizony

Talking about what happened to the collectors reminds me of it tbh

[eternal talon]

There is a whole lot more covered in the docs you won't read.

[tough wave]

It's not that I won't

It's that I can't

I'm illiterate

This entire conversation? Long series of good guesswork really.

[eternal talon]

Now I feel like I'm falling into a bit of a trap here...

Do you mean genuinely illiterate

Or like...

[tough wave]

No I'm fucking with you

[eternal talon]

Are you using TTS?

[tough wave]

I'm not illiterate

I just like

[eternal talon]

read the damn docs

I'll answer any questions you have after

[tough wave]

Genuinely lack the willpower to physically read prepared documents most of the time

[eternal talon]

Well good for you to know that they aren't very long

[tough wave]

Tbf I don't think the docs would've told me if you've seen Pandorum

[eternal talon]

Looks interesting. I'll give it a watch

[worn rivet]

intresting

[coral gorge]

lol
frosty urges someone to read for 10 minutes straight

[worn rivet]

Accents are weird to describe in text and all of the main gtfo team members have different ones

[worn rivet]

Most of the voice actors in the audio logs sound either British or American

[worn rivet]

Other then that, the logs have really good quality to them.

[ionic dune]

which of Dauda, Bishop, Hacket and the other one is considered the "best" from a moral point?

[raw terrace]

bishop but it is very variable as we dont fully everything that he did
technically he just blackmailed his millionare boss, but he couldve done more

as the official page states "he'd rob, kidnapped and destroy" or something like that

[eternal talon]

Bishop. Easily.

[ionic dune]

couldnt thatve been "faked" or is it confirmed true lore?

[eternal talon]

Compared to woods, who murdered dozens in the name of god... Hackett who casually slaughtered a whole village, and dauda's... experiments

[eternal talon]

It is still canon.

It's just never been elaborated on

[ionic dune]

fair

[eternal talon]

** BISHOP, FRANK GO-1395
A lifetime ago, Frank Bishop made a losing bet. He’d robbed, kidnapped, and trafficked in a bid for fortune and power.
This time, it was blackmail, but things didn’t go to plan. His target turned the tables, condemning him to years of brutal captivity.
The torture and deprivation he endured ended with Bishop suffering an even worse fate: Hydrostasis.
Now, unable to remember the man who destroyed him, he’s left with only the rage and mistrust that sustained his tragic existence.
**

[ionic dune]

tyty

[worn rivet]

Out of the 4, it would be bishop as from whats known only did attempted blackmail on his boss, while the other 3 have committed mass murder in the name of god, slaughtered an entire village casually, and then theres dauda...

[ionic dune]

according to frostty he did a bit more but true

[worn rivet]

Yes he did do more, but the people who the boss worked for couldve done that to give more evidence on his shite

Essentially they could've edited it to paint him in a worse light.

[ionic dune]

fair

[worn rivet]

I mean kovac/the other 2 companys have done worse

[ionic dune]

kovac is the prison company and whats the other two?

[worn rivet]

Santinon mining, the company behind garganta and its construction, and then theres the third one who I canr remember the name of

[ionic dune]

aight

[eternal talon]

Dreyfus

[worn rivet]

There might've only been two but there were three main leaders, those being hammerstein, stoakes, and durant but he ended up on jungle planet.

[eternal talon]

who owns Santonian Mining Co, Santonain Strategic Investments, and Project Insight

then there is also Kovac Defense Services, who owns Kovac Research

then there is also Nyxos

[worn rivet]

Or destination depending on which one of worldlines it is, whether its alt or og

Which is the planet at the heart of a butterfly nebula and made of sand dunes and beautiful skies

[eternal talon]

also CTRL Industries

(terminals and server rooms)

[ionic dune]

the place after you betray your counterparts im guessing

[worn rivet]

Yes, in r8e2 after we betray alt team and make the jump to the clean worldline, it turns out to be the jungle planet.

[ionic dune]

yea that one

[worn rivet]

Cause we hear the voice of durant right as the game fades to black.

[ionic dune]

doesnt he tell them that the entire place is trapped?

[worn rivet]

Also weird fact, that planet would have two daudas on it no matter what, yes he does

Cause the one that comes back in the alt worldline is not the one that goes there

[ionic dune]

paradoxical

[eternal talon]

you mean bishops?

[eternal talon]

insight

[worn rivet]

Gtfo has a fuck ton of paradoxes, just look at the two teams of near identical people existing at the same time, oh yeah not dauda its bishop

[eternal talon]

yes

[eternal talon]

not paradoxes given it is different universes

[worn rivet]

Or how the matter wave collapse goes

That must've created multiple ones

[eternal talon]

i mean not really, depending on how you look at it. it just dragged a bunch together

it probably left a bunch of chunks in spacetime, but in general its a mesh

[worn rivet]

Which considering multiple universes or worldlines merging, must've fused many planets and stars into each other resulting in a said paradox of boom

[snow elk]

aren't prisoners just cured sleepers

or they haven't gotten infected

I think it's more of being cured by henrikson

[worn rivet]

They cant due to constantly going in and out of cryostasis which puts them in a state on the verge of death.

They arent cured though

[eternal talon]

the damage they sustain every mission slowly builds up.

the virus kills you over the course of an average of five weeks.
we are out of stasis for a couple hours at a time on average

[brazen willow]

Lore wise, who are the strongest enemies in gtfo

[worn rivet]

Krakens

[eternal talon]

so we are slowly dying to it's damage

[brazen willow]

I remember calcing it for pablo before with @karmic vale mine math

[brazen willow]

pablo actually tanks way more funnily enough

[west pebble]

keep in mind, kraken does get countered by hybrids

[next panther]

Does strongest include durability

[worn rivet]

Krakens are fuck off massive bits of infected flesh

[brazen willow]

pablo in theory has to be incredibly dense and incredibly strong to carry itself around (likely)

[brazen willow]

kraken are definetly 2nd imo

[west pebble]

hybrids are fast enough dodgers and they can spew massive dps into kraken

[worn rivet]

Against a tank or pablo it could just crush them or pulverise it to death

[eternal talon]

you could probably kill pablo with an anti-tank shell. the kraken... not so much

[brazen willow]

they are too squishy. they get chipped by flyers (reminder on the kraken melee)

[next panther]

why cant a trillion mines kill pablo

[brazen willow]

pablo tanks gtfo mines multiple hundred times over without taking dmg

[karmic vale]

Kraken is too bad against mines, he dodges them

[worn rivet]

Also how it can command flyers and other sleeper types

[brazen willow]

iirc pablo can take a mine x 50.000% or smth before taking ANY damage

[next panther]

wait rly?

[eternal talon]

we don't know.

[karmic vale]

something like that

[brazen willow]

you basically have to nuke pablo

[next panther]

dont they just have a mind of their own?

[west pebble]

wait does the kraken get flyers? does the kraken actually spawn fliers or is it that fliers are around the kraken when u fight him?

[brazen willow]

it spawns them in r6d1 and r8e2
r6b2 kraken doesnt have them tho. So its a tier down

[worn rivet]

In its fights, a constant swarm of flyers just spew out at the target so maybe

[brazen willow]

thx

[karmic vale]

less than that % doesn't even leave a scratch

[worn rivet]

That is if pablo can even reach the kraken to attack it

[next panther]

kraken is stupid for exposing its weak spot

[eternal talon]

i don't think that's very realistic at all. for gameplay purposes, you aren't intended to kill him

realistically with enough force you should be able to

[next panther]

will probably get stuck on a random wall

[brazen willow]

iirc that roughly translated to about it tanking 20-40 anti tank mine

[worn rivet]

The kraken can fly around with flyers to hit pablo long enough for it to either walk off the edge or die.

[brazen willow]

and it only takes 1/10.000.000 of its hp as damage

[brazen willow]

immovable object vs untargetable object

[karmic vale]

We don't know is it the true form of pablo or he was going easy on us

[brazen willow]

but pablo has insane durability feats

[worn rivet]

Against firearms

Yes

[eternal talon]

i feel unwell... i'm going to stop chatting for now

[west pebble]

what about mega mom vs a kraken tho? can the kraken even hit the bottom tumors to kill the mega mom?

[worn rivet]

Against giant tentacles, the size of a school bus, no

[brazen willow]

yes

[next panther]

he feels a bit stupid in r7e1

[brazen willow]

Id argue its less stupidity and that he has to have a small brain to move around with

[snow elk]

does megamom even have any lore to her

[tough wave]

Out of curiosity how are you translating this

[west pebble]

yea: not as breedable as a bbc

[brazen willow]

pablo takes 0% from any of the krakens attacks (or flyers)

[snow elk]

she just was there

[next panther]

yeah so basically ur mum accidentally fell into the complex

[worn rivet]

If we're doing this, who would win schaffer with his trusty lead pipe or any of the main 4 in hand to hand combat

[karmic vale]

Small brain makes him stronger, just remember how he refuse to jump up ladders and just walks on them in sideways

[brazen willow]

rough math with general anti person mine compared to the mine dmg necessary (in explosive force) to amount of explosives in said mine compared to anti tank mine

[next panther]

schaffer 100%

[karmic vale]

Bucket

[west pebble]

@frigid slate me

[brazen willow]

no like
pablo doesnt take any damage from anything ingame unless you krank up the numbers massively

[tough wave]

Alright, lemme do some math on an apfsds round rq

[brazen willow]

id say main 4
we actually fight our way through, he often hid and went through vents

[next panther]

yeah hes a PUSSY

[brazen willow]

In a lore perspective

how would a tank vs mom fight go

i assume tank will have trouble hitting in the fog (same for babies tho)

[worn rivet]

For the team, We can break a solid steel soor with a sledgehammer in a few swings translate that to force and you get alot, add on how tanks and mothers can be killed with a spear. For og Schaffer hes only killed alt Schaffer, if you let him do it, and the conduit along with probably a few sleepers.

[next panther]

mom just runs away and births

[brazen willow]

every enemy bar pablo can be killed with a melee weapon

[frigid slate]

Uh. What's even evolutional purpose for mom to be able to spread fog

[worn rivet]

So In my opinion, the member of the gtfo team kicks og Schaffers ass

[next panther]

Defence mechanism

[karmic vale]

indigestion

[brazen willow]

agree

I feel mom only would have a chance if she could pre birth a bunch

[frigid slate]

But usually defense mechanisms appear due to year of evolution and the threat of a greater predator

[brazen willow]

and even then tank likely squashes babies

[next panther]

shooter

[frigid slate]

Shooters don't need to see you tho

[brazen willow]

id assume the fog is for smth that is no longer necessary potentially

[frigid slate]

and they have homing projectiles

[brazen willow]

but yea pablo has highest durability feat
kraken could have higher strength feat, but we lack any I think? Or is there smth in lore?

[frigid slate]

hybrid best dps

[tough wave]

So, unless I'm wrong(which is possible) your average 120mm apfsds round should have something like 8million megajoules of force behind it

[karmic vale]

Sounds about right

[tough wave]

Little under 20kg moving at roughly 5800kph muzzle velocity

Which I personally think would fuck a tank up

[brazen willow]

tank isnt pablo tho tbf

[tough wave]

I'd have to find the exact joules of what the mines in GTFO are to give a like

Accurate comparison

[brazen willow]

tank takes 1/100 dmg

so 99% reduction

[tough wave]

But anti personal mines don't normally output more then like, 1000 joules of force to my knowledge

[frigid slate]

[brazen willow]

arent apfsds round very concentrated in force tho?

[worn rivet]

gtfos sleepers can be described as "I have no mouth but I must scream"

[tough wave]

Oh yeah

It'd unironically sheer through

[brazen willow]

I dunno about that

to be that robust

pablo would need to be super dense

reminder

he takes 1/10.000.000 of his hp in dmg from a 400 times dmg boosted mine

[tough wave]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[brazen willow]

It would for sure do smth tho

[tough wave]

I'm just a treadhead and figured I could do some math for fun rq tbh

That's not like, the crazy shit we've made either fwiw

Cold war era 140mms are something the fuck else

[next panther]

drop a tsar bomba on pablo

[worn rivet]

With NAM-V, death isnt permanent

[frigid slate]

Sub-Calibre AP rounds are, essentially, what they say on the label - the penetrator itself is of a smaller calibre than the gun barrel, using a sabot to make up the calibre difference. How the sabot is handled is dependent on the type of round - it may be either discarding or non-discarding. Sub-calibre rounds sacrifice post-penetration effectiveness for high round velocities and high penetration values.
APFSDS is the pinnacle of the kinetic anti-armour rounds. As with APDS, APFSDS utilises an extremely hard penetrator and a discarding sabot, however the penetrator is usually significantly longer than that of APDS and incorporates fins for improved long-range ballistics. The additional penetrator length improves the post-penetration damage effects. APFSDS rounds are the most powerful kinetic rounds.

[tough wave]

That's a lot of words to say APFSDS is a dart

[brazen willow]

would pablo just get a piercng?

[tough wave]

I think it depends on how dense you consider pablo

The more material apfsds has to shred through the more it spalls and actually does damage

If pablo was paper thin it'd just go right through

Without knowing wtf the density of pablo is idk

[frigid slate]

the density of pablo is pablo

[tough wave]

Yes

[brazen willow]

tbf im just presuming the density cuz otherwise we have to assume hes made of some weird material thats not dense but super tough (or hard to damage)

based on numbers his feats are insane

[tough wave]

I mean at the end of the day he's made of like

Rotting corpses and gameplay abstractions

Right?

[frigid slate]

[brazen willow]

hm

well it is mutated

[tough wave]

Maybe he's turbo dense congealed flesh lmao

[brazen willow]

could just look at dead space for inspiration

stuff can go wild

[tough wave]

Unironically that's what I was thinking of

When you play on zealot or later in game when the darker tougher necros show up

All things considered I would like to shoot pablo with an abrams

For science

[frigid slate]

It's time to leak military documents to see which country has the best AP rounds

Make this next warthunder forums

[tough wave]

DU is a better penetrator then Tungsten fwiw

Self sharpening

[west pebble]

warning: war thunder player

documents will get leaked in gen chat

[worn rivet]

What idea would that be

[tough wave]

Alright, my turn for a question

[brazen willow]

[tough wave]

Do we have any lore of the prosthetics in game that pop up on skins sometimes? The legs are pretty normal but the hand is fascinating to me for a few reasons.

It's like, a proper robot hand

[long glacier]

i mean its prob cuz of injuries or just cuz of infection

just seems like raw asthetics

no lore involved

[tough wave]

Nah I get that

[worn rivet]

One of the audio logs wont stop playing

[tough wave]

But like, the fact that we're 1. Worth that sort of thing and 2. That's particularly high tech for us

[worn rivet]

Fucking did it

[tough wave]

Outside the hel weapons a lot of what we use it's pretty low tech garbage tbh

[long glacier]

gtfo takes way in the future

so its pretty reasonable they would have that

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tough wave]

I guess, it just seems notable within the context of the game

[long glacier]

the real question is who gave u the prothestics if ur character doesnt spawn with one

[worn rivet]

We play as the team that beats every mission thrown at us, I think giving us one of those things cause it went missing is reseanoble.

[brazen willow]

depends on context no?

[tough wave]

Yeah, that's reasonable

[long glacier]

idt the apparel is part of the lore

[tough wave]

I mean yeah

But contextually the robot hand feels like it's on a higher level of tech then most stuff we get

[tough wave]

I dont think so tbh

Iirc the team has a set look the entire game

I'm definitely overthinking the hand, but it's one of those small details that brings me in

[worn rivet]

There is little to none missions we've failed, only examples I can think of is us disobeying our orders and disabling the chip during r8 which is failing the mission technically, or alt team being betrayed which fails their mission due to not surviving.

[tough wave]

Iirc that's non canon anyway

[worn rivet]

No its canon

[tough wave]

Neat, was told it wasn't

[worn rivet]

It comes up on the in game hud as our mission and says survive, and alt team dying then is canon cause it happens at the same time as og team fucking booking it to the teleporter.

With sleepers, snatchers and whatever else you've got on your tail during r8e2

[tough wave]

I'm sure I'll actually see it eventually

Once I finish R4E1 PE I think I'm content with having gone in order

[worn rivet]

Trust me when I say this r8 is a fucking hellhole and depending on what actions you do in a run of certain missions, it can end it right then.

[tough wave]

Tbf that's just playing GTFO with pubs anyway

[worn rivet]

At the toss of a coin and its flip, the run can just go boom. Like theres a mission with an overflow and secondary

So it goes up to like an e mission if you do that overflow.

[tough wave]

Tbh I've been told R8 is a hellhole cause of optimization

I'm sure it'll be a great time lmao

[worn rivet]

Oh and that, I've seen in peoples r8e2 runs them not being able to open the map because its lagging that bad

Or one of them or all of them being able to go through a none existing wall to cheese a section, or falling straight into the void cause of a different non existing wall.

[tough wave]

Oh yeah, it'll be fun lmao

[worn rivet]

Or the audio completely fucking breaking cause they set off too many of the screamer enemies (I forgot their name)

[next panther]

Cheese what section?

[royal crow]

Pablo might be a lot more "durable" but krakens are way stronger
They can not only shoot constantly but also command hundreds of fliers
And krakens can also fly

Pablo is a soldier
Kraken is a massive carrier

[worn rivet]

During either the overflow part of one mission or during a fuck off level hard holdout, there's a wall that doesn't exist in the area so they did that to cheese the section

[tough wave]

Time to mod gtfo to rectify this and give Pablo wings

[royal crow]

Thats C1?

[royal crow]

No

Please

[worn rivet]

Yeah it was, in a part of the mission either during the overflow itself or in a room where you have to do a crud ton of scans

[royal crow]

Also the reason on his high amount of HP is just gameplay

We are not supposed to kill him and thats it

He is just an armored tank without weak points

[worn rivet]

Gtfo is a fucked up game

Both in gameplay and in lore even.

[brazen willow]

his hp could be 1 and he wouldnt die still
he has ungodly amounts of hp and armour which rounds dmg to 0

[royal crow]

Gameplay not the same as lore

[tough wave]

I'm of the opinion pablo doesn't need to die if you remove his limbs through sheer kinetic force

[royal crow]

Krakens are way stronger lorewise

[brazen willow]

vs wiki uses feats (through statements or seen)

[brazen willow]

maybe the lore reason for him not dying is that he reforms around dmg?

[tough wave]

Tbh I could see that as a logical explanation for Pablo

He's Ubermorph

[royal crow]

He is going to roll over to your position :)

[tough wave]

Imagine Pablo nugget propelling itself with its tentacles at you lmao

[brazen willow]

also id argue removing his limbs would mean he takes dmg no?

so how would you remove them

[royal crow]

The lore reason would be most likely be he has better armor than other tanks so convetional weapons dont work against him

[brazen willow]

we lack statements sadly

[royal crow]

A missile however

Might work

[brazen willow]

the dude takes 1 10millionth of his hp in dmg

from a 40 times damaged amped mine explosion

[worn rivet]

One, how the fuck would a tank turn into a missile, two how.

[royal crow]

Gameplay
Not the same
As lore

[tough wave]

Tbf it's more of an ingame lacks dismemberment thing imo

[royal crow]

Games are not acurrate to lore

NEVER

if GTFO was lore acurrate one giant hit would be enough to crush our skull

[brazen willow]

game feats still are taken into account for vs battles and the like

[brazen willow]

not necessarily ngl

[royal crow]

[brazen willow]

their body structure doesnt have to be the same as ours in relation

[royal crow]

Uh

That doesnt change the fact the are hella strong

And one slap would be fatal for us

[tough wave]

If gtfo was irl giant windmills unironically are breaking some bones

[royal crow]

A lot more than just 40HP

[tough wave]

It might not kill you but christ would it suck lmao

[brazen willow]

breaking some bones is likely quite similar to 40%

[tough wave]

Depends on the bone tbh

[brazen willow]

the unrealistic thing is game hp

[queen gazelle]

My dad is much stronger than me but I survived being hit

[royal crow]

A rib? Maybe

One leg or arm? Maybe a bit more

[tough wave]

I've broken my ankles, I'd call that like 15 percent ngl, when I broke my pinky I'd unironically call that like 2 percent hp damage

[brazen willow]

pinky toe can break without people realizing

fun fact

[tough wave]

That's how my pinky finger was tbh

[royal crow]

Get a better pinky toe

[hard linden]

It does

frank has and others are humanoids ; bones flesh ligaments etc… If anything the force applied on hit should be harder due to the scale of frank and the force and mass applied

aka physics and ouchy ouchy

[royal crow]

In other words: getting hit is bad

[worn rivet]

Fun fact, there are so many nuclear reactors in garganta

[hard linden]

yes

[tough wave]

Getting hit by frank would be fucked up

[brazen willow]

bones, flesh and ligaments dont translate to the same force

[royal crow]

Now imagine a tank

[brazen willow]

they definetly hit hard

[hard linden]

high trauma potentially death too

depending on where the impact is

[royal crow]

If it's on the stomach it's GG most likely

Head? You are fucked

[hard linden]

I will be blunt : do you think you can survive a frank hit directly in the head

[tough wave]

You as a human can bruise someone's heart punching center ribcage hard enough

[hard linden]

you a person

[royal crow]

Survive the initial hit? Maybe

The injuries? Nope

[hard linden]

you would be unconscious

and have internal bleeding

and fractures and everything

you would not live

[worn rivet]

One singular hit from either a giant or a tank is putting you straight into the forever box.

[hard linden]

not to mention prisoners have helmets

[tough wave]

Tbh even if you survived one I imagine the concussion would mean another is inbound shortly

[royal crow]

Remember
Sleepers can break Security doors in lore

SECURITY DOORS

[hard linden]

but degree of protection isnt specified

in the helmets

[royal crow]

You think some bones will be able to take a direct without fatal injuries?

[brazen willow]

the argument isnt that
also headhits are generally scary, you can die from a normal guys hit there

the argument is that giants might not have the same structural build so they could hit harder or weaker. we dont rly know

[worn rivet]

They can break through foots of solid fucking steel as proven in one of the dauda logs. Not to mention the rest of what they're shown to be capable of

[tough wave]

There's no way a giant is swinging weaker tbh

[brazen willow]

not weaker than a human

but weaker than their size

they are rly sluggish

[royal crow]

Bro

Sleepers literally went through a sec door

Way stronger than a human body

[brazen willow]

do we know how

and which

[hard linden]

or the other scenario is that the scale of frank would make it so that its limbs would blow up in high velocity impacts (e.g. my head)

[royal crow]

Yes

A Security door in a log about Dauda when he was in KDS Deep

[brazen willow]

honestly thats a fun lore explanation and kinda fits with their limbs exploding "easily"

[royal crow]

You can hear them screaming similar to a Security door

Then it breaks

[brazen willow]

no

how they break it

and which enemy

[raw terrace]

we hear strikers giants and i think a hybrod

[royal crow]

Yes

[brazen willow]

hybrid blast surely

[royal crow]

What Slendo said

[brazen willow]

[royal crow]

Hybrids are way faster but i don't think they hit as hard as a Giant

[hard linden]

And it is true in real life too. Whales and elephants pop like balloons when they fall in greater heights, as gruesome as it sounds.

But in the case of small critters like bugs, mice, ect. They barely get hurt when falling

conclusion : frank is a balloon animal

[brazen willow]

no like
the projectiles (are they acid?)

[royal crow]

We don't know what the projectiles are

[hard linden]

alien origin

[royal crow]

They could be spikes made of bones or flesh

[raw terrace]

the projectiles are uh flying nuts

[hard linden]

probably a chemical reaction

[royal crow]

also acid cant be used in the way sleepers shoot

It would be more "liquid"

[hard linden]

A chemical projectile that is formed not via hormones but formed during stress

prolly with the use of acids and/or proteins

[royal crow]

Going now to the original convo

Kraken > Pablo

[brazen willow]

I know a few people whod say its a potato

[worn rivet]

If you give me a minute I can get the dauda audio log that has the sleepers being able to break security doors.

[royal crow]

You know
It makes more sense how Garganta collapsed

[hard linden]

i think the sleepes are more compacts than frank and that would explain them being the most numerous bunch

behind a door

because you only see 1-2 giants in a blood door

but crap ton of smalls

[royal crow]

Some doors have a lot of giants and hybrids

And Even tanks

[worn rivet]

Shit where did it go

[hard linden]

tanks are rigid

they’re built like, well, tanks

maybe the rigid and more enduring enemies break the doors

while frank and others wait

sort of order in door breaking

[royal crow]

Eeeh i always imagined tanks would be the ones in charge of breaking the doors/walls and rushing first while the other enemies follow behind

[hard linden]

yeah the rigids go first then the squishies follow suit

frank is squishy but exerts extreme force into hits

[worn rivet]

I had the log downloaded as a wav file but now its gone

Got it

That log has really bad starting audio it balances out near the middle and right near the end you hear them

[royal crow]

You would expect KDS Deep mics to have better quality

[raw terrace]

IN MY FINAL HOUR- DOCTOR DAUDA IS REVEALED AS A COWARRRRDDDDD!!!!!
i love daudas voice actor so much <3 its sO GOOD
my fav line of gtfo

[worn rivet]

Dauda might be a coward and a fucking bastard, but hes got a very nice voice

And has the shakiest set of ethics I've ever seen

[royal crow]

I just noticed

Some of the voice lines of R8 are missing in the wiki

[raw terrace]

go put them in

[royal crow]

Where do i get them

[worn rivet]

Look for videos with the section the voice line comes from

And boom or whatever the fuck

[raw terrace]

game files or or videos or record them urself

[oblique plume]

holy-- that voice acting is good

btw where do you guys get these wav files from?

[honest summit]

All that static is also voice acting trust

[drowsy adder]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMONwL465ec&t=420s

[worn rivet]

I got that one from the lore master frostty.

I also have one of the two Schaffer metal pipe ones

And another dauda one

[oblique plume]

ooo mind sharing them to me please?

[worn rivet]

Uhh sure

That is the one where he beats the conduit to fucking death.

Correction I dont have another dauda one, its just a weird audio log from og r2

[brazen willow]

Is the ending supposed to be them breaking down a security door?

[worn rivet]

Yeah, it is. That sound at the end is sleepers breaking down the door after dauda gets inside the hsu

[brazen willow]

is that confirmed with an audio to text log?

Cuz them getting inside could have been through vents or similar things no?

[royal crow]

Its the same sound as a Security blood door

What other confirmation do you need

And KDS Deep doesnt have normal doors

[brazen willow]

Them scratching the door yea

but if I knock on your door and then you hear a crash and im inside

Does that mean I broke the door or could I have come in through the window

[royal crow]

Eva

Eva

Eva

[brazen willow]

KDS deep also doesnt have broken security doors

[royal crow]

You can HEAR them breaking the door

[royal crow]

KDS Deep is huge

Theres multiple ways to enter

[brazen willow]

No?
You can hear static and them then pouring in

[royal crow]

As we see in E2/E1

[brazen willow]

fair

[brazen willow]

E2/E1/E1 :^ )

[royal crow]

That MASSIVE sound of static is them breaking the door

Mic quality sucks

[brazen willow]

unless thats confirmed from a text form of said log

Then thats not proof?

[royal crow]

Jesus

Christ

[brazen willow]

we know theres other ways

[royal crow]

I'm going to blow up

[brazen willow]

good point for smth that has no real proof

[royal crow]

I wont make any further comments

[brazen willow]

Im not saying they did not break the door

Im saying, unless we have proof, then we dont know

[royal crow]

In ALTR5 we don't hear that "door" since Woods. Bishop and Hackett end up killing the enemies outside and going into KDS Deep

Then they encounter with Dauda

[brazen willow]

what

[worn rivet]

yeah, it was my best guess with what i had

[royal crow]

Dauda
If anyone finds this, we are no longer in control. The creatures have overrun us. The power is turning off in every sector. The security doors have all been locked. There is no way to the surface. We are trapped. I have followed a group of security operatives to a location called KDS Deep. It is so big; I cannot see the length of it. There are several guards waiting here. Every few moments, a mechanical arm delivers an empty hydrostasis unit. The guards climb into it, and then the arm takes them away into the darkness.
[The mechanical arm brings another HSU.]
Woods
Bishop, you're up.
Bishop
Yes.
[Bishop enters an HSU and is taken away.]
Dauda
I must talk to them. Come on, Abeo, you can do this.
Woods
Hackett!
Hackett
'Bout fucking time.
Dauda
Hello! Please do not shoot me!
Woods
Identify yourself!
Hackett
Who the fuck are you?
Dauda
I am Dr. Abeo Dauda! I am not a threat to you!
Hackett
You are not supposed to be here. Leave, now. I won't tell you twice.
Dauda
Please, the creatures, they are everywhere. If you do not—
Hackett
Your choice—
Dauda
No! Please—
Woods
Stop!
Hackett
What the fuck are you doing Woods? The stack is clear.
Woods
Exfil, soldier.
Hackett
Your lucky day.
[Hackett enters an HSU and is taken away.]
Dauda
What are you going to do to me?
Woods
Get in.
Dauda
Into… into this?
Woods
Yes.
Dauda
I—
Woods
Or you can die, brother.
Dauda
Okay… okay… okay.
Dauda
What will happen to us? Are we going to be evac—
[The HSU closes.]
Woods
Stack update. New resource designation. T-3701, assigned. Extract.
[Dauda's HSU is taken away.]

[worn rivet]

hmm

[brazen willow]

I dont see the context

to this

[brazen willow]

.

[royal crow]

Hmmmmmm?

[royal crow]

Its the same context as OG R5A3 but this time Woods and Co are also there

[worn rivet]

i'm working on a project with the main 4 of alt and og teams, and i can use this.

[royal crow]

OG R5 the proof of them breaking a Security door is pretty much the fucking audio you can hear the loud bang clear

In ALT R5 you cant hear that loud ass static noise because theres no enemies out there or most of them were killed by the others already

[royal crow]

Makes you think if Woods, Bishop and Hackett had a previous 4th member before Dauda

[brazen willow]

1. that is not proof

2. this isnt proof either, it just means theres no showcase of it in alt r5

[worn rivet]

yeah

[brazen willow]

the loud static and noise can be a multitude of things and doesnt have to be them breaking through a security door

Consider how often did they break a securty door in lore

[worn rivet]

something that annyos me with a few of the audio logs, is at the start of it how the audio can sound really weird

[brazen willow]

Scuff

[royal crow]

2050 Xbox mic quality

Some things never change

[worn rivet]

like in that dauda one, you can barely hear him over the static or in the schaffer beating the conduit to death log, schaffer at the start is quiet as fuck.

and then suddenly is loud as anything.

which when your trying to listen to them without headphones, can be really awkward

[royal crow]

Literally me looking for my headphones to listen a 2min audio log

[plush nest]

did there group only have 3 operatives?

[royal crow]

Yeah

It was only Bishop, Woods and Hackett at first

They probably met during Garganta collapse

[plush nest]

i thought it was supposed to be 4 normally?

[royal crow]

You are correct

[plush nest]

did the 4th die before?

[royal crow]

However at this point in the story everyone is dying, theres no resources etc

Everyone is teaming with however they find

[plush nest]

ah, so that group of 4 wasnt in place yet

[royal crow]

And since all KSOs had the same objective stack

Would make sense they found each other and decided to move as a team

[plush nest]

ape together strong

[royal crow]

Yep

Also that log tells us how Woods had certain "freedom" to choose not to kill Dauda

Unless the warden changed his stack right there before Dauda went into the HSU

(Woods stack changed after Dauda entered)

[plush nest]

to update to the groups of 4 thing

[royal crow]

Ye

Also perfect squad and all of that

Warden NEEDED Dauda to survive

[plush nest]

Did the warden know that at the time?

or just sort of lucky given the multiverse thing

[royal crow]

The Warden can communicate with other themselves from other Worldlines and also had access to Biocom

He either learn it from another Warden or read the logs about the perfect team

[plush nest]

Interesting

[raw terrace]

if ur wondering the implications of door breaking lore-gameplay wise, take it as in we havent seen them breaking through normal sec doors cuz they never need to

blood door enemies are passive since its been probs years since they been there

most sectors we visit have sleeping enemies as they probs werent enough and maybe they fell asleep until the doors closed due to a lockdown

alarm levels, is always us who trips the alarm in the first place so they dont have time to gather up

and we see a lot of spaces where the walls caved in in levels that couldve had broken sec doors but were just blocked off

[royal crow]

Real actual reason: no budget

[worn rivet]

hmm

[plush nest]

I don’t know if I would call that passive as they scream and bang against it

[raw terrace]

not rlly a scream

[plush nest]

Yelling?

[worn rivet]

loudish noise is erupted from whatever is remaining of their lungs

[worn rivet]

The old lighting system looks really cool