gtfo-lore

[coral gorge]

Maybe they still are wearing gas masks

[eternal talon]

on our guns, the floor, the walls,

everything

on our hydrostasis pods the moment we wake up

[west pebble]

surely u can complete every single mission is sub 3minutes

[coral gorge]

we would have to do that, and somehow desinfect everything a second before warp

[eternal talon]

doesn't matter the time. any time is enough time. it is 100% lethal and its infectivity is bonkers.

its like triple the infectivity of covid.

[west pebble]

damn... all my speedrunning and i still can't say I am a true survivor of e2

[eternal talon]

*and not get immediately reinfected by the outside of the machine that just disinfected us

[coral gorge]

just glitch out of bounds, find the golden desinfect station, cure yourself of nam-v getting the secret achievement and then do the level

[west pebble]

hey i am currently trying to glitch out of r8b4... i am doing my best...

[coral gorge]

id more expect it to be smth like gassing the entite chamber with chloride tbh

or chlorium

whatever, i dunno english chemical names

[coral gorge]

Best of luck
One day you will do it

one day

[west pebble]

fun fact these platforms are not real, but the stairs are

[coral gorge]

glorious level design

[west pebble]

even funnier

on the opposite side of the room is the same exact setup

and the platforms are real there

in all fairness i assume the devs didnt expect this spot to be reachable

[coral gorge]

wait B4 has the one spot you can fall into a pit right?

in the big room

in one of its corners

or did they patch that

[west pebble]

oh god it has like 5-6

[coral gorge]

damn
That sounds like a record
Although then again, R7E1 has brazil skip, pablo duplication so I wouldnt be suprised if some levels can be more broken

[west pebble]

pablo duplication is caused by a door being open once, desynced into being closed by a client and then reopened

can happen on any level

including b4

where u can have 2 moms spawn

[coral gorge]

oh wow

thats fun

now, can you desync to such an extent the door opens 4 times

Quad pablo R7E1

[west pebble]

unlikely probably, if u wanna do that u should find a consistent way to cause the desync

otherwise i dont see it

and if u do that

u might find a way to do a 6min r6d1

[coral gorge]

yeah, make an actual lag switch

[west pebble]

it aint a lag switch necessarily

or it is a more complicated one

[coral gorge]

Wait how? What funny trigger is there

[coral gorge]

I mean yeah
But you know what i mean

Desync switch

[west pebble]

u can also desync the kraken into dieing

[coral gorge]

oh

fun

[west pebble]

the moment it gets spawned

[worn rivet]

hmm

[west pebble]

and yes that goes trigger the winning event

[coral gorge]

This game truly is super broken sometimes

who am I kidding, its always broken its just a bit less visible

[west pebble]

r3d1 (3rd tileset in blood door zone), r1c1 (reactor room), r2e1 (2nd zone) are levels i can think of which immediately have this problem visible in normal play.

[eternal talon]

just found this picture. out of ammo, apparently.

fun fact: the r6a1 cave/cliff is visible from the r7c2 warp

also fun fact: you can see the same mountains from both r6b1 and r6ax/bx

from different angles

[honest summit]

Now that i think about it

What OG Shaeffer wanted to do was Not to Blow Up the complex

But to burn down Wardens home

What If He knows about the Vessel

And with the nuclear reactor wanted to create a Giant elephants foot to burn through it

And the Rest of the complex Could be in flames because of faulty wiring and stuff

[raw terrace]

i mean on d2 he says "im gonna burn it im gonna burn them all"

sounds like a threat to kill everyone

[solar nova]

He does make it sound like he doesn't care who else dies in the process

Since we're all criminals

prisoners

rats in a cage

[honest summit]

Who exactly? Every KSO in HSUs or all collectors?

[raw terrace]

what i imagine its uh yes

[raw terrace]

chewing through eachother to get out

thats all we are

[honest summit]

Once they See who you are, they will know WHAT you are

RODENTS!

[eternal talon]

This reminds me heavily of TheNthApple lore videos

You shouldn't be worried about your mic quality. It's great.

[worn rivet]

dauda's logs are weird

[eternal talon]

how so?

[worn rivet]

in some he seems remourseful while in others he doesnt

[eternal talon]

are you comparing OG and ALT logs together?

[worn rivet]

wait fuck am i

[eternal talon]

I don't know, that's what I'm asking you

[worn rivet]

yeah i was

it does show one of the many differnces between the two groups

and their worldlines

[raw terrace]

i think he is remorseful only in theeee og?

[worn rivet]

uhh found the log that made me think he was remourful about at least some of his actions

it's the one where he talks about a nightmare of his.

[eternal talon]

you can convert it to a .wav so it is playable in discord you know... just replace the ".mp3.mpeg" with ".wav" when posting.

[worn rivet]

okay didnt know that

[eternal talon]

that goes for most audio files btw. you can just change the extension

[north obsidian]

is schaeffur schaeffing

[coral gorge]

thats a great philosophical question
a scheaffur is implied to be schaeffing, however until the scheaffur is witnessed by a conscious observer we cannot know wether the schaeffur has defied its nature or abided by it and thus, we cannot know if its schaeffing or not

[safe gale]

so schaefferdinger paradox?

[coral gorge]

indeed

[safe gale]

incredible

[lilac island]

What the hell just happend at the end of R8E2?

[gray bone]

What do you already know about it?

You get the MWP, got tped to some other reality, and then the game ends, right?

[lilac island]

Yes

[gray bone]

Well that's essentially what happened
We went to a theoretically clean universe (one without the virus)

That was the goal of the whole OG team

And the ALT team, but you know what happened to them

[lilac island]

Well i noticed one team was killed at the zone i was supposed to meet Sheffler, then we died at the extraction (not sure if those were OG or Alt) and the third team got away to alternative reality

[gray bone]

There's a LOT of alternate teams in R8

[lilac island]

I got pretty much lost at it to be honest

[gray bone]

The ALT team got abandonned at r8e1, to die

The warden gave up on them

The OG team got to leave

And countless others got killed in the complex

@eternal talon could tell you more, that or @royal crow

[lilac island]

That's where my heart got broken

[gray bone]

But I don't know if they're around now

To be fair that's what you get for following dubious voices over comms

[lilac island]

It kind of sucks to be betrayed by your own self

[gray bone]

Well the last encounter with two alternate versions ended up with a cracked skull and drowning

Depending on whether or not if you skipped the dialogue

[lilac island]

I haven't

[gray bone]

yeah if you put the command in asap in r8d2 they both drown instead

Still, grats on beating r8e2

it's not an easy level

[lilac island]

I just wonder how was so many clones even made

[gray bone]

multiverse

not clones

or worldlines

[lilac island]

I thought multiverses are not merging

Unless these alternative realities merged because of matter wave projector

Which...could be the case since we traveled through dimensions several times

[royal crow]

Hello

[gray bone]

hello there

[royal crow]

Not clones

Just different people from different worldlines

[royal crow]

We dont know exactly how it happened
However we know it might have been related to our constant use of the MWP

And those other times we got stranded in Destination because the warden cant do shit right

In all of GTFO if we count the dead Bishop and Dauda in R6 there is 8 teams of ourselves we have seen so far

I think its 8

[lilac island]

So tell me...which team are we playing as throughout the game? Because this is where i got lost a bit as we died when warden decided to give us a middle finger and we thought sheffler and other team simply betrayed us

[royal crow]

ALT rundown as the ALT team

OG rundowns as the OG team

Lol

[lilac island]

Aren't they the same just with different logs?

[royal crow]

In R8 we play as both
First half is as the ALT team
Second half is the OG team

[royal crow]

Nope

Different multiverses

Different people

Different teams

[lilac island]

Now i suffer from playing simce R6

[royal crow]

The story is very different in OG and ALT

ALT didnt had the revolution

OG did

[lilac island]

Well i noticed sheffler audiologs are gone in alt r6

Well not audiologs

His voice overall

[royal crow]

You can hear him in D1

And thats it

In ALT R6 He tells You he is now working with the Warden which in OG he never worked for him

[lilac island]

Yeah but when i started r6 first time it was full rambling about fucking the warden up, and now nothing

[royal crow]

Im pretty sure thats R7

actually thats the whole plot of R7

Fucking up the Warden

[lilac island]

And R7 is the only rundown that's OG

[royal crow]

Yep

The only one thats still playable

[lilac island]

Interesting...interesting...so somehow 2 realities merged together and goals are completely different in both of them

[royal crow]

more than 2

It's a lot more than 2

[lilac island]

Right...i forgot i saw entire team killed on the meeting point with sheffler

[royal crow]

Theres also dead teams in B2

And R6

[lilac island]

I must be blind then

[gray bone]

Does the pablo level have one part where you get teleported into a closed off room with a dead team?

Or was that R8A1

[lilac island]

But it's always the same quadro

[royal crow]

I have no idea

[royal crow]

Yeah because we are the main characters

[raw terrace]

u no tp to dead team on r8a1 but to dead people

but it does have a dead team

[royal crow]

Maybe the main characters of all the worldlines

But only one of them is the perfect team

[gray bone]

We are the best

[lilac island]

Yeah it's always "us" in all of those universes

[royal crow]

And that is the one and only OG team

[gray bone]

(theoretically)

[royal crow]

From the millions of worldlines Project Insight scouted we are

Who knows if someone better is out there

[lilac island]

...what exactly is the warden and what is it's goal?

[royal crow]

Warden is part of the collectors an alien especies that crashed into Earth and wiped out the dinosaurs

His goal it's to save humanity

Or at least what remains of it

[lilac island]

I thought warden is a system, or is in the system of the complex, like a virus which overwrites the original

[royal crow]

The Warden took over Biocom

And Biocom controls garganta basically

In R7 we remove his control over it

[royal crow]

And the KSOs

[lilac island]

Does warden has a physical body or not

[eternal talon]

Spiff claims this in his most recent video on r8e2

[eternal talon]

Unknown. Leaning toward no.

[lilac island]

But it is warden who is waking you up in hydrostasis and sending you down to complex, right?

[eternal talon]

Yes.

[royal crow]

Yes

He controls Biocom and as a result can control us

[eternal talon]

For dummies doc needed?

[lilac island]

So why did he sent you down to take his control away

[gray bone]

did spiff spread lore misinfo

[royal crow]

?

In R7 Schaeffer sends us

[gray bone]

I haven't gotten around to actually watching through it

[eternal talon]

Not really. I thought it was alright. His timeline was bonkers though, said gameplay was late 2070s

[lilac island]

So Shefler got control over warden

[royal crow]

Biocom

[eternal talon]

No

[royal crow]

Biocom

[lilac island]

Biocom

[eternal talon]

Two puppeteers controlling the same set of strings. That is the finale of r7

[lilac island]

Understand now

Still...what the hell is that weird organic mass we had to carry over and keep putting it in some weird ass machinery

[eternal talon]

ALT is and has been under the control of the warden. OG was mainly under the control of schaeffer, until they had their chips fried

(In r8)

[royal crow]

Neonates

They are used to make the mimics

[eternal talon]

Babies.

[royal crow]

The things Schaeffer talks to in some logs

[eternal talon]

And prior to collapse intended to replace KSOs

More convenient than kidnapping people

[lilac island]

Mimics of what? People?

[eternal talon]

Mimics are a community term... it's a bit innacurate

[lilac island]

The same thing we seen dead in R6?

[eternal talon]

The conduit

[royal crow]

Artificial humans

[eternal talon]

That warden uses to try and talk to schaeffer, yes

[royal crow]

Yes

[eternal talon]

The corpse in r6dx

Is one of them

[lilac island]

My first idea was that webwere going to create an "people" able to survive the virus and repopulate the world

[eternal talon]

No.

[royal crow]

Nothing can survive Nam-V

NOTHING

[lilac island]

...we did haven't we

[eternal talon]

Kidnapping people then putting them in a box for two years isn't really the most efficient method of making slaves

[royal crow]

Nope

[gray bone]

The way we get rid of it is by turning ourselves into jerky

[eternal talon]

RISE would have done the same in weeks.

[royal crow]

Everytime we go into the HSU we die
The virus dies with us

Thats why we arent dead yet

The virus takes 4 weeks to kill someone

[lilac island]

Aaaaaaah

[royal crow]

In total we have spent like 4 days outside of the HSU

[eternal talon]

Wdym by jerky?

[royal crow]

So we are good

[lilac island]

So what exactly was the whole point of these "mimics"?

[eternal talon]

This is a for dummies doc moment.

I'm on my phone. Pable, pull the link!

[royal crow]

Talk
To
Schaeffer
Or
Other
Survivors

[gray bone]

It literally dehydrates you completely and stores you that way doesn't it?
That's what an HSU is

[eternal talon]

Bro it's literally an embryonic bath

We are submerged in womb water

[royal crow]

I'm in phone too

[gray bone]

(It might be something from three body problem that leaked into this concept tbh)

[eternal talon]

The entire tjme

[lilac island]

🤔🤔🤔

[royal crow]

The Warden cant just talk to people

Thats why he makes the mimics

They can talk and move through the sleepers without problem

So he uses them as its voice

[gray bone]

#gtfo-lore message
Don't have the doc myself so link here

[lilac island]

I really hate to sound like an idiot but we were trying to create one in the R7, right?

[royal crow]

Yes

And in R3

[eternal talon]

Just don't read the gameplay summary

[gray bone]

ok now I have it properly

[eternal talon]

The txt is the original and has much more content than the pdf

[royal crow]

Pdf

[eternal talon]

The pdf doesn't have the timeline in it

It stops at the very start because I'm lazy

[gray bone]

You mean this one?

[royal crow]

Yeah

[lilac island]

And you mentioned that it was Scheffler who sent us down in R7, but now i'm not sure if he only sents us down to take control away from warden, or if he was in charge the whole R7, but since we were running around like a damn baby carrier it would 't really have much sense for shaeffler to need them since...well he can fucking talk

[royal crow]

Schaeffer doesnt take control over Biocom until R7D2

[lilac island]

Now it makes more sense

[royal crow]

From A1 to D1 we play the slave-warden Game until Henri and him make a plan

[lilac island]

But i guess it wasn't really worked for warden to create it, does it (can't remember i haven't played R7 in ages)

[royal crow]

We never see the baby we Made in R7

Since R8 happens

And oh god that sounds so fucking awful

[lilac island]

It's funny tho...shaeffler murder the living shit out of the only living mimic we seen in R6 and in R7 we have to fucking create a new one

Warden be like i have no mouth and i must scream

[royal crow]

Honestly in a situation like this there isnt much we can do

The Warden Will need all the help he can get

[lilac island]

Well...there is never much that we can do...not even when warden abandoned us, and our alternative selves betrayed us...all we could do was to die with glory

[royal crow]

ALT can go and fuck themselves

They have skill issue

[lilac island]

🤔🤔🤔🤨🤨🤨

[royal crow]

Also

The Warden left them yeah
But what else he can do?

MWP is gone

KDS Deep is gone

Its a lost worldline

Garganta Will lose power in the future
Everyone Will die

[eternal talon]

grab the memory stick

[lilac island]

Well if the story will repeat itself in the alternative realite we ended up after using MWP, then RIP

[royal crow]

Sadly Durant and company Will die a slowly and painful death

Since we pretty much fuck the new worldline

[eternal talon]

Genetic diversity wins again

[lilac island]

Why that hate for alt team i just can't umderstand no matter how hard i try

[eternal talon]

Even if they survive humanity ain't

[royal crow]

OG team is better

(literally)

[eternal talon]

I don't know if there really is a reason to hate the alt team. They just got fucked over.

[royal crow]

They are not the perfect squad so they suck

[eternal talon]

Compared to OG, they would have had to be better than perfect, so got fucked

[eternal talon]

It's like you vs gigachad you

[lilac island]

Both teams suffered through living nightmare and both overcome extreme difficulties, and i still think they are same fucking people just from different universe

[royal crow]

OG team had it worse in R8

[eternal talon]

Nope. Mildly different backstories too

[royal crow]

Way worse

[eternal talon]

Same with schaeffer

[royal crow]

Alao schaeffer trusting the warden is a big no no for me

[lilac island]

So alt Bishop was not brainwashed because he threatened some bitchface?

[eternal talon]

FUCK THE WARDEN

[eternal talon]

Oh he probably was. I don't have specific examples on hand. I'm on my phone and can't drag logs over

[lilac island]

Which R was it again that we got backstories of team?

[eternal talon]

You can look at the ogr5 logs and the altr5 logs to see differences

R5

[lilac island]

I sure will, thank you mr. Sleepy cat

[royal crow]

ALT Woods is interesting

He says god spoke to him

And told him about a plague and copies

[lilac island]

I thought that's what OG one said aswell

He killed his squad or something

Coz he see evil within them

If i remember correctly

[eternal talon]

I don't think OG specifically mentioned being spoken to, though

And given worldlines, God is technically real

But so is Buddha

And all the others

[royal crow]

As far as we know that god Woods talks about could be the Collectors

[lilac island]

Technically everything is real as long as someone believes it's real, so yeah there's nothing that don't exist

[royal crow]

Maybe they wanted Woods to end in the Complex in every single worldline

[lilac island]

Woods volunteered right?

[loud urchin]

werevito?

[royal crow]

Everytime i Say collectors fucking Mass Effect 2 comes to my mind

I'm never trusting someone or something calling themselves "collectors"

[eternal talon]

Hahahaha, ikr?

Even kidnapping specimens

[lilac island]

This i would be more affraid than a fucking bigfoot

[eternal talon]

For their collection

[royal crow]

The Collectors wanted it for a reaper i wouldnt really call it a collection

Unless You are talking about the GTFO collectors

[eternal talon]

Isn't each reaper a collection of a specific race?

[royal crow]

But even then

Collection? I don't know if it's the right word

[eternal talon]

Or is it all races from one cycle?

[royal crow]

Maybe harvest

[royal crow]

Just one race

[lilac island]

Why did we closed KDS deep in R5 again?

[royal crow]

Which means in Mass Effect they could have made like 10 reapers of the cycle we play in

[royal crow]

We open it

[eternal talon]

Wdym?

[royal crow]

And give access to the Warden

[eternal talon]

The entire point of r5 is to open it, yeah

To lift the lockdown schaeffer caused

From the r6 extension logs

[lilac island]

Oh, hah, well, i'm retarzed ig

My brain is like halfway gone is pretty late here

OG shaeffler wanted to destroy the entire complex?

[royal crow]

He just wanted to fuck the warden

"FUCK THE WARDEN"
-Schaeffer

[lilac island]

Strange...you mentioned Warden wanted to save the people or world or something

[royal crow]

Schaeffer was crazy

He Lost his mind

[lilac island]

Shaeffler wanted to simply fuck warden over for some reason

[royal crow]

He saw the Warden as an enemy asso didnt trust him

[royal crow]

Because he didnt trust him

The HSU fucked his brain

And being 10 years trapped down there doesnt make it better

[eternal talon]

Ehhhhhhh

We don't know if the warden is good or evil, for certain

[lilac island]

So we trusted some lunatic with brain fucked over to fuck over something that was programmed to actually do something valuable

[eternal talon]

Remember the conduit log is without tense

[royal crow]

We didnt trust him
In R7D2+ and most of R8 he was controlling us

[lilac island]

What a bastard

[eternal talon]

Personally I'd rather trust the human I know than the alien I don't

[royal crow]

He had control over Biocom

And so control over us

[lilac island]

That's why we removed chips i guess

[royal crow]

Yes

[lilac island]

Yay finally something good

[eternal talon]

We didn't remove the chips

[lilac island]

...

[eternal talon]

Henriksson did

[royal crow]

We fried them

Same shit

[eternal talon]

We had ours fried

[lilac island]

YES THANK YOU

[royal crow]

They dont work anymore thats the point

[eternal talon]

In a big magnet

[lilac island]

And so thank's to shaeffler everything god fucked up basicly

[eternal talon]

Still got foreign metal klinkin' around in there

[royal crow]

It Will be fineeeee

It's not like it will go weeeeeee inside our brain

Right?

[eternal talon]

There are bigger pieces of shit than schaeffer, look at the bigger picture

Schaeffer was a flawed man who was driven insane from isolation

But there was genuine malice in the complex

[royal crow]

Technically all of this it's Hanmerstein fault

[eternal talon]

He'll I'd argue dauda is worse than schaeffer ever could be

Dauda just doesn't remember it

[lilac island]

Who the fuck is hanmerstein

[eternal talon]

Drefys ceo ordered the flamethrowering of dozens of red cross people before the hole was even dug

[lilac island]

I only know dauda worked as scientist before oubreak ans he hidden in hsu to survive

[eternal talon]

READ THE FOR DUMMIES DOC FFS

[royal crow]

The usual

Nothing new

[eternal talon]

Nazi... esque

Human experimentation with the virus

[royal crow]

Omg the N word

[eternal talon]

Nig-

[lilac island]

So he helped the creation of sleepers?

[eternal talon]

This message has been removed.

[royal crow]

Nam-V + parasite = sleepers

[eternal talon]

What?

[royal crow]

It happened accidentally

[eternal talon]

We didn't make the sleepers

[royal crow]

They just came together like lovers

[eternal talon]

They've been around for billions of years, AT LEAST

[lilac island]

Lol

[royal crow]

Infinite amount of years*

[eternal talon]

*destination time

[royal crow]

*infinite destinations time

[lilac island]

To infinity and beyond*

[eternal talon]

*infinite worldlines where you are in garganta, pable

[royal crow]

*infinite worldlines where we are in garganta times

Ok ill stop now

[lilac island]

So did they digged those parasites up or did those parasotes simply reacted to virus and mutation took place

[royal crow]

I know what you want to say

[eternal talon]

The parasite and the virus aren't from earth

They were on the ship

The ancient mayans dealt with them before us

please just read the for dummies doc at this point I'm begging

[lilac island]

:c

[eternal talon]

the .txt

[lilac island]

I will just tell me one last thing

[royal crow]

Absolute CHADS

Spears and shields VS multiverse creatures

[eternal talon]

One last thing.

[royal crow]

And somehow it didnt spread beyond

[lilac island]

Since you mentioned some scifi ship, and what i know entire complex was built on a place where meteor fell and wiped out dinos, are these 2 events related?

[royal crow]

Yes

[lilac island]

Ok i'll read the dummie guide now, share please

[royal crow]

The complex was made above the ship
It was made after a massive earthquake

The complex was a mining facility then they discovered the ship

[lilac island]

But we never seen the ship did we

[royal crow]

Nope

[lilac island]

Sad

[royal crow]

We don't know what lurks down there

[eternal talon]

^

[royal crow]

Spooky to think about

[lilac island]

You mean that shit can go even deeper

Isn't like 6km below fucking enough

[eternal talon]

The pdf has pictures but is incomplete

[lilac island]

Nah, it will be some lovecraftian cosmic horror grade of terror, something as disgusting and disturbing as foken krakens but waaaaay worse

[eternal talon]

You know the kraken is just a fish

A really, really big fish

[lilac island]

Will it ever be completed?

[eternal talon]

....no lol

[lilac island]

Looks more like an octopus

[lilac island]

Why

[eternal talon]

A cuttlefish to be precise

[lilac island]

Those pictures are of terminal logs or

[eternal talon]

1. lazy
2. gtfo development ended
3. would only serve to replace the .txt which is still good

Nope, just pictures

[lilac island]

Random pictures

[eternal talon]

Less monotonous that black on white

Lol

[lilac island]

Ended but story remains tho

[raw terrace]

i mean does it

when the story technically wrapped up

and more gtfo things in the future are maybe not happenin

[lilac island]

in my restless dreams i see that update, og rundowns along alt ones

[eternal talon]

Look, point 2 is the main reason

[raw terrace]

eh, mod the game

[eternal talon]

Obviously in case of a GTFO2 I Will make more

[raw terrace]

it isnt that hard and u can probs just port the new guns to the old rundowns

[raw terrace]

if gtf2 aint happenin im making it myself when im 40

how? yes

[lilac island]

Just give us option to change weapon fov pls

That passage about those collectors, virus and ship sounds pretty close to the Aliens lore, prometheus movie to be exact

[eternal talon]

This game draws a lot of inspiration from aliens

Most notably, the turrets

[raw terrace]

and and the aliens

[royal crow]

Learn unity
Join 10C as lead game designer
Ez

[raw terrace]

my stupid fantasies when i dissociate are making a plan for gtf2 presenting it to 10c making them help but mostly produce it outside of it

[lilac island]

Hah, so warden planned to use MWP to get rid of shaeffler and henriksson, but well...as it seems not a single thing went as planned for neither those two or thr warden, both emerged realities got ficked up completely and the one OG team escaped to will soon to follow as they are virus carriers

[eternal talon]

*the gameplay summary segment of the doc is out of date and innnacurate

[lilac island]

Give me back 20 minutes of my life

[eternal talon]

Why

It's mine now

[gray bone]

goddamnit frostty

[eternal talon]

The documents are enchanted with Leeching

[gray bone]

Oh right there was a guy here yesterday or two days ago that asked about the lore

Did he get everything he needed?

[eternal talon]

I believe so

[royal crow]

No

He got consumed by the GTFO

he is gone

Lost forever

[worn rivet]

Huh that's alot of lore messages time to read

Also theoretically in the end screen of r8e2, it say in infection or whatever that part was called, clean could thatve meant that we arent infected. Still we might've had the virus directly on our suits or in the air we brought with us in mwp transport

[raw terrace]

the infection thing is not for nam-v, is for the infection ingame which is a different virus/thing

realistically if they do want to make gtfo have a happy ending they either stuck the 4 into HSU immediately or uh killed them

and then quarantined the zone

all the other HSUs should be clean tho

[worn rivet]

Oh so still fucked then

[raw terrace]

probs

[worn rivet]

Well the alt and og group are all unreedemble assholes anyway, the only semi reedemble one (I say this with heavy air quotes) is bishop due to him being stuck into being a kso because of him attempting to blackmail his boss. Maybe dauda if we count possible insanity

Also if dauda counts then the version of one them who did it because he heard fucking god counts under that

Which only technically works if he didnt hear it cause of the collectors

[raw terrace]

oh dauda aint insane he just has ptsd probs

but hes stupidly smart

he he knows why hes there pretty much

woods is actually sort of insane

[worn rivet]

Daudas a weird case, and if he did go to court, his lawyer could probably get an not able to serve due to insanity plea

Wait technically the entirety of both groups could

[raw terrace]

dauda was just a son of a bitch who wanted to learn ksdmkm
hes hes my favorite but he isnt better than hackett really, a lot worse kinda

in both versions

in one he doesnt even feel regretful

[worn rivet]

what is ksdmkm

[raw terrace]

keysmashing, its just a lol for

funny people

idk

[worn rivet]

Both of the Hacketts is definitely the most insane one in their perspective groups, due to the whole god thing and the massacre

Dauda on the other hand, in one of his logs, hes stated to have nightmares about his actions which indicates some kind of conscience. Coinciding with how dauda could say the company forced him to do it under the threat of death/violence, there's a good case for him not getting charged in a court of law

The other 2 members of their groups though is where it gets tricky

Og Woods I dont recall much about his backstory, but considering what the company/Schaeffer forced him to do along side the other 3 and alt team and henrikson, theres a good chance of him maybe doing a protective witnesses deal and getting a fully new identity. Alt woods has no backstory so probably the same as og woods

[loud urchin]

wasn't Woods' backstory that he shot like 20 people, miraculously survived death after being pelted with bullets and whoever caught him decided to throw him into the legion program?

[raw terrace]

hackett isnt the god one, is woods, but well hackett also did a massacre so
hackett was the one who worked with kds, woods was just normal military
dauda- i mean he didnt even really do it out of being forced, in one log it does kinda say he was gonna put up resistance but that comes after being in a lot of other questionable experiments, and he did express a lot of curiosity over it

[raw terrace]

sort of

[loud urchin]

which is kinda similar to Hackett's with the shooting a lot of people part but yanno

[raw terrace]

alt woods is an arrogant ass rather than hackett just being a sociopath

or whatever hackett is

[worn rivet]

Both og and alt bishop, get forcibly sent into a brink of turning into a fucking war, killed alot of people, tortured by the company by being turned into a kso and then gtfo happens

[raw terrace]

og woods is arrogant but at least charming

[worn rivet]

Wait I think I'm getting character backstory mixed

[loud urchin]

i didn't remember bishop killing anyone

[worn rivet]

That being woods and bishop

[raw terrace]

bishop i mean he couldve but we dont know, he maybe just went into hiding

[raw terrace]

bishop was the blackmailing boss one

[loud urchin]

i remember him blackmailing Janson and whoever else, being sent to a civil war in Valencia so they could "make him disappear", but he got through that

so then they chucked him in Legion to make him disappear

[raw terrace]

tbh bishop u can think as of innocent, i just think hes sort of stupid for trying to get in with the CEO of one of the most powerful companies in the entire world

like did he really think he could get away with it a la State of Truth?

SOT at least had insiders, he wasnt an insider

[worn rivet]

Yeah but in Valencia aka a warzone, bishop would've had to kill people to not only survive but get back to America

Or wherever that log of him in what I assume a police interview happens

[raw terrace]

JESUS CHRIST THEY SEND BISHOP TO VENEZUELA

NO FUCKING WAY

BISHOP LATINOAMERICANO

[worn rivet]

Wait that does raise a good point, if bishop did get back to America on his own, how did he even do it without an identity

[raw terrace]

he didnt make it back to america

the entire GTFO story is mexico

and is where the entireeee kds deep is so

it isnt too hard to just go through latinamerican without documents, or even an identity

i say this as a latinamerican

[worn rivet]

Right hnm

Well at least, with some what theory stuff here, the alt teams worldlines earth as alive for a while after the events of kds deep and gargantas fall, along with the many small pockets of survivors who weren't in a hsu, dying out due to the virus not getting out

Which a small dlc or something about those pockets of survivors and their holdouts would be a fun little thing, cause most of it is in logs

[dense bobcat]

Random question: does anyone know any lore/history about C-foam?

[royal crow]

Its used as a building material

Construction foam

It does kinda exist in real life

And thats pretty much it

A material used to reinforce buildings or as a temporal glue (in GTFO)

[sacred maple]

there's a log somewhere that talks about how the KSOs started using C-Foam on their own without being trained to, it's in the log about quad dynamics I can't remember exactly which one

[royal crow]

Oh yeah thats a thing too

[west pebble]

somebody get the lore frosty https://www.twitch.tv/10chambers

@eternal talon

[eternal talon]

I stopped by near the end and asked a couple questions.

Thanks for the ping, would have missed it otherwise

[west pebble]

np

[west pebble]

when are u getting ur sub 16 r3d1 clear?

[eternal talon]

Wrong frosty?

I haven't played gtfo in over a year

[west pebble]

sub 16 aint too bad, just gotta grab 4 peeps and play a reasonable r3d1

fun as fuck too

under sub 14 it gets quite challenging, sub 11 being insanely good. (And u also get a funny lookin role if u do it)

"Speed"runner role

[west pebble]

technically i am part of the bbc cult so i am exempt as i come as a reprezentative of a religion

[loud urchin]

uh huh, because religion is an excuse for everything

[plush nest]

What happened to the “for dummies” thing?

[queen gazelle]

It was taken away from us because the gtfo community has become smart

[queen gazelle]

Search for like 📌

I think frosty unpinned it or something

[royal crow]

Normal users can't pin or unpin messages

A mod/admin did it

[plush nest]

ty

[eternal talon]

It was unpinned because of its out of date gameplay summary section.

I was intending to replace it with a .pdf anyway, but got lazy.

Do you need a link to it?

[plush nest]

Nope I found it, thanks though

[eternal talon]

god its such BS we never got to see the vessel

[eternal talon]

@cunning light Would you kindly please replace the 📌 of the previous "FOR DUMMIES" document with this one? This file has been UPDATED with the gameplay summary and incorrect segments removed. Additionally, this message also contains the unfinished .pdf replacement for the original .txt document.
- A reminder to those reading this document to get familiar with the lore, this file is too large to click expand, as such you must either download it, or click "View Whole File"

[eternal talon]

@coral gorge & @royal crow please feel free to do a dig through to make sure I didn't miss any incorrect/out of date information, I think I got everything, but it doesn't hurt to have a second (or third) set of eyes check it.

[royal crow]

Alright let me check

[cunning light]

I don't have time right now to review the whole of it, unfortunately. But I guess that we can pin it and update it later if needed.

(I did appreciate your questions during the latest 10CC stream, however, and Simon's attempts to answer them while being distracted / having some issues remembering it all)

To be fair, it has probably been a while since he last worked on it

[eternal talon]

haha, yeah.. didn't really feel like I got any answers

[cunning light]

Yeah

But hey, I like how we stand

Sometimes, it can help to leave some of the story in the grey

[eternal talon]

for how much of a goddamn mess the lore is we sure do know quite a lot

[raw terrace]

i like standing :3 my feet b on the floor and shit

[eternal talon]

but god do i not want to spend 6 hours writing 40 more slides on the pdf

its just so damn dense

its like a super hard bread

[cunning light]

I do praise everyone who ever attempts to sum it all up in an elevator pitch format

[eternal talon]

the doc has had quite a lot of helpers over the years, i don't take full credit.

[eternal talon]

the .txt has i think over a dozen people listed

[raw terrace]

i see the bishop lines and i wonder did he ever like killed or kidnapped

not counting the civil war

i just kno he blackmailed

[eternal talon]

bishop lines?

[raw terrace]

on theee txt

[eternal talon]

this block?
** BISHOP, FRANK GO-1395
A lifetime ago, Frank Bishop made a losing bet. He’d robbed, kidnapped, and trafficked in a bid for fortune and power.
This time, it was blackmail, but things didn’t go to plan. His target turned the tables, condemning him to years of brutal captivity.
The torture and deprivation he endured ended with Bishop suffering an even worse fate: Hydrostasis.
Now, unable to remember the man who destroyed him, he’s left with only the rage and mistrust that sustained his tragic existence.
**

[raw terrace]

yis

[eternal talon]

this one is just straight from the 10cc website

copy pasted, same with the ones for the other characters

so about as canon as canon can be

[raw terrace]

oh shi

i just read the start i didnt recognized it

[eternal talon]

https://gtfothegame.com/prisoners

[raw terrace]

people like to say bishi is just a good person in the bad spot but

this may hint that no

[cunning light]

That's the main issue with this game's lore. Either you swim in it and are comfortable, or you come back to it months or years later and drown.

[eternal talon]

its always drowning lmao

[raw terrace]

u never swim

never ever

[eternal talon]

even basic research to find/cite specific logs

better get real friendly with CTRL+F

[royal crow]

The PDF is good

I'm guessing the Text file says the same?

[eternal talon]

i know it is, much higher quality. i just never finished it

text has a couple sections removed

[royal crow]

I can't open it with My phone for some reason

[eternal talon]

i removed the out of date gameplay summary and a bit from the section on ALT

since it contained differences that, with r8, isn't entirely true anymore

removed sections:

**SEVERAL NOTABLE DIFFERENCES:

ALT//R1: Merida Quake happened a month earlier.
ALT//R2: State of Truth AM. radio host flees into the mountains.
ALT//R3: Sleepers are ON THE SURFACE!!! (Goodbye Earth!)
ALT//R4: United States government collapses and is replaced by the "Liberty Sentinel."
ALT//R5: Dauda enters Hydrostasis with the aid of Woods and Hackett, as opposed to being cornered by a horde and forced to enter before the door was broken down.
ALT//R6: The EF01 mission does NOT end up on Destination. Instead, they arrive at an unknown jungle planet where time moves slower, rather than faster.

(Disclaimer: Not all of the above information is necessarily different, though we have no information to prove it did or did not occur in the original worldline.)

• • • • • • • • -**

**GAMEPLAY SUMMARY:

OGr1: Quad first woken up. Sent to activate reactors and collect materials/dna samples from HSUs.
OGr2: Nothing important until r2e1 where we collect the Neonatal HSU for later use in r3.
OGr3: Processing the Neonate for data storage, ultimately leaving it behind for another quad to deal with.
OGr4: Nothing important -- just busywork.
OGr5: Cracking the lockdown and restoring power to KDS-DEEP so we can advance and breach its defenses in e1, ending with us giving the WRDN access to the 24,000 KSOs housed inside that were not previously accessible to it.
OGr6: Collecting the Matter Wave Projector, Data Cubes & Genome Database -- mission final interrupted by Schaeffer eliminating one of WRDN's Units.
OGr7: Dropping previous objective -- Most of the rundown spent replacing the eliminated U22 with U23 with its completion in D1. At the end of r7 Schaeffer and the newly awoken Henriksson manage to successfully integrate a Memory Stick into a BIOCOM server room, giving them partial control over the system with the restart of the E1 reactor.
**

**JUMP TO ALT...

ALT//r1: Playing as new team, story repeats original in alternate worldline
ALT//r2: Playing as new team, story repeats original in alternate worldline
ALT//r3: Playing as new team, story repeats original in alternate worldline
ALT//r4: Playing as new team, story repeats original in alternate worldline
ALT//r5: Playing as new team, story repeats original in alternate worldline
ALT//r6: ALT//WRDN learns of OG//WRDN's demise at the hands of Schaeffer & Henriksson so plans to get rid of them by sending them away to an unknown worldline -- lying saying that it is the clean one described in the ALT//Durant logs.
**

**JUMP TO R8...

With the continued misuse of the Matter Wave Projector, worldlines finally merge into a single strain.

ALT//Quad continues to work with ALT//Schaeffer in effort to escape.
OG//Schaeffer plans to destroy the facility as he had previously planned.
OG//Henrikkson is killed by Schaeffer after leading our OG//Quad to disable our Neural Implants.

OG//Quad ultimately kills both Schaeffers from the combined worldlines, lie to the ALT//quad, take their data cubes, and leave them behind to go to the TRUE clean worldline, thus infecting it with the virus in the process -- The End.

• • • • • • • • -**

pretty much cut out a big chunk

most of it was just out of date faff, anyway

(or is pure theory, which a lore doc shouldn't entirely be)

[royal crow]

Eh GTFO lore has a lot of vague info even on official sources

So making theories is better than nothing

[eternal talon]

true, that's why i set up the [T], [U], and [O] in the pdf from the get-go

rather than stapling stuff on over the years as the .txt went

remember, the first version of that was made in OGr6...

in 2021

[cunning light]

Yeah, marking out what we can trust for sure, compared to what is unproven or just honest guess was a good move

[raw terrace]

thats what the [T][U][L][I][O]
no ones gettin this joke :[

[eternal talon]

(theory, unclear, opinion)

[worn rivet]

hmm

[eternal talon]

@cunning light 01:24:54

Question: why do the collectors call themselves exiles? What did they do to their greater species that made them that way?

Answer: there's really only one exile, right?... but I'm like--Simon said in the beginning here that the collector was the ship not the race like not-a ship can't call itself an exile, can it?... but if its a species of ships... (jokingly)

ALT://R6: MQQ-792-B8L: I am now positive w4 #%())87U _vidence of an alien structure. I am confident that the chambers were been constructed by ent$7V curr3ntly calling The CollectOrs, though, as yet, we do not know how or why they wer! made.*

Chat, do we believe the devs, or the devs?

[worn rivet]

i think they are pulling an advanced move called confuse everyone

including themselves

[royal crow]

Wtf

I believe no one

[worn rivet]

gtfo logs are weird

like you can go from listening about the complaints of a worker in one of them to the utter hell that happens during the fall of garganta

in another

[eternal talon]

how's this?

An explosion rocks the hallway. A light fixture explodes violently on a nearby wall. "Pull back, pull back! We're being overrun!" shouts one of the last remaining legionnaires. Scientists and maintenance staff rush through the nearby bulkhead. One of the legionnaires begins to close the bulkhead. Sleepers are rapidly closing the distance. One manages to reach a legionnaire, dragging them deeper into the horde. "I-AH—HELP, FOR GOD'S SAKE HELP ME!" "Get that damn door closed, now!" "It's not… It's not closing; what do we do!?" "Fuck!" The gunfire continues to rage, the floor rattling with a sea of expended shell casings. This engagement, like many others, was doomed from the start.

[worn rivet]

whoa

[eternal talon]

the collapse gives great vibes for creative storytelling.

if only we had a game set during it

(don't get me wrong, I like GTFO, I just think it had more optimal periods of time to explore gameplay-wise, rather than after everyone/thing is already dead)

hell that could have been a worldline we visited. :shrugs:

[raw terrace]

we couldve visited the den of wolves wordline canonically

[eternal talon]

i'd say visiting other IPs would be a bit of a stretch, but given its both 10cc, could have been possible, if you ignore DoW being made after gtfo.

unless said otherwise tho i'd assume both to share a multiverse

but thats just me

enables fun easter eggs in DoW

[eternal talon]

(i know at one point you liked making scripts/fanfic)

[raw terrace]

i mean i just said it cuz different universes go woosh

[worn rivet]

like there are big areas mentioned in the lore we didnt get to see in the game, like hehe the giant fuck off alien ship aka the inner

[eternal talon]

whoosh indeed.

[raw terrace]

we couldve visited the the binding of isaac wordline canonically

[raw terrace]

me when i go into the inner aka uh ur mom got it

[eternal talon]

could have had gtfo mario cart

[raw terrace]

idk

[raw terrace]

we do

[eternal talon]

canon crossovers

[raw terrace]

u no longer have to dream u can start to live

[worn rivet]

like the way a few pieces of lore on it describe how the scientists think it looked, sound fucking cool

[eternal talon]

we have a little bit...

like the corridors of the ship resembled obsidian lava tunnels

so presumably black shiny bendy tunnels

[worn rivet]

or how there'd be dead mayans/collecter bodies and sleepers down inside that hellhole

[eternal talon]

Additional: Several large, clear tubes can be seen on the true color gamma print, starting at the approximate center point of the mass. They do not appear to be lava tubes; the composition materials are too dense to be affected by any heat generated by volcanic activity. Further analysis is needed once we excavate. GSP data for the largest of these tubes has been sent to operations.

[worn rivet]

oh god, could the collecters have been giant worms

[raw terrace]

what if the inner was made of bedrock

[eternal talon]

**The revealed chamber extended 43 meters to the north, measured 27 meters at the widest point (east from the point of entry), and rose up to 15 meters high. There was no indication that water had permeated this far into the rock, leading the onsite Geo (Kat Edison B062) to suggest that the chamber was a planned excavation, though by who or what was unknown.

Several unusual artifacts were recovered from the chamber. All were submitted to the research department. It was clear by their geometry and form that the artifacts were also constructed and not by natural process, though their purpose and origin was unknown.**

[worn rivet]

like giant tubes inside a ship mean only a few things

[eternal talon]

idk if those measurements mean anything, probably not

the height might though

like most buildings have a floor to ceiling of ~7-8ft

[worn rivet]

it means that the room would be about 15 meters high, and 27 meters wide and 43 meters in length

[eternal talon]

**Having pinpointed the location of several chambers in zones [redacted] and [redacted], I have approved a comprehensive mapping and exploration of those zones. I am certain these chambers are not the result of natural geologic processes. An initial report, by one of my staff (not me) suggested they were lava tunnels. I have rejected that conclusion as there is no evidence of volcanic activity in this area and the chambers are too symmetrical to have been formed by any natural mechanism.

I believe we are looking at evidence of [redacted]. I am confident that the chambers were been constructed by [redacted], though, as yet we do not know how or why they were made. Certainly, a great mystery for me to tackle.**

[eternal talon]

thats high af

practically cavernous

[worn rivet]

and that could gives us a rough estaiment on how tall the beings were

[eternal talon]

We are even finding infested humans in some of the deep, unexplored chambers. It is as if they are drawn to something. Grubs to their queen perhaps? this log doesn't specific if they are modern humans...

(but probably implies it)

(copium)

[worn rivet]

that could refrence either the mayans or remmants of old KSO teams

[eternal talon]

more measurements... also, really, discord?

[eternal talon]

we have its composition. 1 sec.

[worn rivet]

along with how the room is basically a cavern consider this, they mention that the vein (or as we know it the inner) they were drilling to has enough eridamum for about a few billion dollars, could the black obsidan like stuff the tubes are made of be eridum

[eternal talon]

**Sector analysis complete. The mass extends 2,215 (+/- 372m) meters from apex to nadir. Width estimate is 1,247 meters (+/- 208m). As suspected, it is largely made up of the newly discovered Cretasium 77a material, and surrounded by a thin membrane of iridium. Further analysis is required to determine if the material composition mirrors the artifacts. The data suggests the composition of the "egg" is not identical to the artifacts, but shares properties. This suggests a similar origin.

Core composition analysis follows:

cretasium 77a: 38.60%
oxygen: 27.34%
silicon: 12.12%
aluminum: 5.13%
iridium: 3.32%
sodium: 3.26%
calcium: 2.57%
potassium: 2.10%
magnesium: 2.03%
titanium: 1.14%
hydrogen: 0.93%
phosphorous: 0.77%
carbon: 0.54%

+trace strontium, barium, manganese, fluorine, sulfur, zirconium, tungsten, chlorine, copper, nickel, nitrogen, zinc.**

this is from the K-UX deepscan

doesn't seem like deepslate to me...

not even remotely

[worn rivet]

a few things, this implys there are a kind of fucking potatoes down there or something similar for the potasium, something called cretasium is pooling down there more then oxegyn (which could mean that any alive person who entered the inner would die in about 3-4 minutes), and that the inner was made of a shite ton of diffrent metals and minerals

or that the earth just started making minerals around the inner

[eternal talon]

cretasium-77a, it is the alien material the artifacts are made of

[worn rivet]

correction, they have about 10-30 minutes to live, not accounting for the sleepers.

or tanks or mothers or dogs

or sleeperfied mayans or sleeperfied collectors

[eternal talon]

well yeah, its a spaceship

we don't exactly build battleships out of wood

(at least not anymore)

[worn rivet]

or the possiblity of random krakern like creatures being in there

so many horror game levels could've been made from the logs

[royal crow]

C word

😱

[eternal talon]

also, what makes you say 10/30 minutes to live?

the oxygen?

[worn rivet]

or a space marine 2 last stand style one

[eternal talon]

i would think that would just be the composition of materials...

like foam has oxygen pockets, etc

[worn rivet]

27.34% still oxeygen levels mixing with all of those harmful materials for god knows how long would result in the body basically going to shit

not accounting for, 1 fucking a ridiclously high concentration of nam-v, 2 how many humans are with them, and 3 whatever else is in that room the scan didnt pick up

and concedering how fast even a little bit of nam-v can infect you, I wonder how fast an entire spaceship worth of it can

that's been sitting there for millenia

also the fact that i'm pretty sure chloriene gas is being made in that room cause of the ingredients being present

[eternal talon]

What would be each member of the quad's favorite flavor of ice cream?

[royal crow]

Dauda would be like chocolate mint

[eternal talon]

i think hackett would be a simple cookies n' creme

[raw terrace]

woods is vanilla

[royal crow]

Woods seems like he eats vanilla icecream and only vanilla

No fucking

Slendo

[eternal talon]

hahaha

its an easy guess

bishop though? now that's curious

i'ma go exotic and say neopolitan

[royal crow]

Bishop would 100% like one of the worst rated icecream flavor in the world

[eternal talon]

now that i'm thinking about it, i can't think of an objectively bad ice cream

[royal crow]

Pizza flavor

Yes it exist

[raw terrace]

dont fuck me

[worn rivet]

hmm

[tough wave]

Bishop doesn't get ice cream, he gets sherbert

[raw terrace]

the huh

[tough wave]

You unfamiliar with sherbert?

[raw terrace]

sounds horrid

[tough wave]

It's ice cream sorbet kinda

[raw terrace]

the sorbet what

[tough wave]

Alright so

Sorbet is dairy free but frozen sugar syrup and fruit, normally

Sherbert is sorbet but with dairy, basically.

[raw terrace]

put dairy into the dairy free thing ok

do u just mix milks

or something

do u add bacon to ur vegan bacon

[tough wave]

Well it's more complicated then that

But it's the simplest way I can think of to explain what it is

Especially without also fully explaining sorbet

Bishop would defo get sherbert tho

[worn rivet]

i feel like schaffer would get the coffee flavoured
ones

[raw terrace]

sane schaeffer yehs, og schaeffer like coffee with coffee beans on top

henriksson, uh eats cables

[worn rivet]

coffee with coffee beans ontop what

[raw terrace]

hes silly billy like that

[worn rivet]

that's impossible

coffee with coffee beans ontop of it, just results in a coffee with coffee beans hovering in it

[ionic dune]

Mmmmm cronchy

[ionic dune]

I’ve seen people have it

[honest summit]

this is how he opened all doors in R7C3

[worn rivet]

Hmm

[vague loom]

Ok i'm not gonna crow about it but i took a break to come back to GTFO

And the fact that i actually guessed correctly that the infection was a dualie with both a parasite allowing mutation and incubation with a resident mutagenic virus

Makes me so frackin happy

[compact bluff]

So I have a question about the giant hole that we go down to enter a level. Is it the same hole every rundown just at different depths, or is it a different hole entirely? I'm only about to complete R2, and am relatively new so I don't know if there is a reason for the holes or not.

[next panther]

its where your mum sat down

[eternal talon]

No. There are a LOT of holes, easily a couple hundred. They were created when an alien gun in the spaceship was accidentally triggered during an expedition into the ship by Hammerstein.

[compact bluff]

Ok, there is a lot more lore than I thought

Alien gun?

[eternal talon]

Have a quick read of the for dummies documents in the pins.

Get back go me with any questions remaining.

[compact bluff]

Space ship?

[eternal talon]

o7

[compact bluff]

Ok

[next panther]

what is the ship called?

[eternal talon]

We don't know what the collectors called it. ( it was their ship)

Humanity has many names for it. The egg, the vessel, the fossil

[honest summit]

Doesnt really makes sense considering how each of them Has the Same HSU storages at the surfaces with manmade and Not makeshift structurey

[eternal talon]

The inner is the uppermost section of the vessel

[next panther]

I thought simon said that the ship was called the collector on stream the other week

[compact bluff]

Should I watch a video explaining all of the lore, or play all of the game first and it'll be explained as I play?

[eternal talon]

He was contradicting written lore

So clearly either he was misremembering or was distracted

[next panther]

dayum

[eternal talon]

Don't. There aren't really any good lore videos.

The ones by Roanoke are blatant misinformation where he removes comments correcting him.

More than half of the ones by scaler are out of date and the ones that are in date are lacking significant amounts of surrounding detail to the points he discusses.

And the smaller single videos tend to just puppet scaler's videos but worse (mostly because they are treating out of date material as current)

For the past half decade, the for dummies doc was made and maintained explicitly for the purpose of being a total beginner guide to the lore in a condensed format. It works. It's easier to update a .txt with new information than to remake a whole video

[compact bluff]

cool, im gonna read that

[eternal talon]

Another note, you won't get all of the lore from gameplay. For three reasons.

1. a number of logs (~20) were never in the game to begin with
2. an even larger number of logs were either completely removed or significantly changed when the ALT:// rundowns released.
3. several of the logs (Goldie cipher and butterfly nebula) were given to the community as ARGs that took weeks to solve

[compact bluff]

wow, that cool

[eternal talon]

So unless you have a time machine and are an expert cryptographer, that isn't happening lol

[compact bluff]

there is so much more to this game than i thought

so the ship below garganta, is there a level where we have to go down there?

[eternal talon]

Unfortunately no

[compact bluff]

that wouldve been so cool

[eternal talon]

😭

[compact bluff]

so in some levels, when you go to select them it seems that the speeches that show of previous prisoners on the expeditions suggest that they hate the warden because its making them do this and they just want to get their job done, so whats stopping us from just not doing what the warden wants? like lets say one of the prisoners refused to go down one of these holes? would they fight back? i mean, they are given weapons so why do they just go down there?

sorry if i'm asking obvious questions

[eternal talon]

this gets into specifically how the legion program worked...

essentially, the proccess goes as follows:

Kovac would kidnap or otherwise capture a candidate.

the candidate would be forced to undergo hydrostasis for a minimum period of two years with periodic checkups to ensure memory erasure is working.

if accepted, the candidate would then have a SEC-B-M control chip surgically implanted into the base of their skull, likely into the brain stem (I do not remember the exact location)

this control chip would feed the KSO information and objectives from biocom at a speed of 1300MB/s

the chip would physically prevent a KSO from disobeying the objective stack set to it

one example being, when the warden was first taking control over the biocom system, it commanded a KSO to stand in a broom closet for 20 minutes

the reason why we go along with the warden is because we are physically incapable of not doing so

[compact bluff]

so we literally have no choice and do whatever is told

[royal crow]

Holy shit lore

[eternal talon]

it is why we have to fry our chips via a magnet in r8 -- to prevent schaeffer from using them to control us

[royal crow]

Theres some people that managed to break control

Us and a random team in R2C2 as far as we know

[eternal talon]

we have a very minor bit of freedom in what way we carry out our objectives, ironically enough, with more freedom under the warden than we did under biocom (see ef01 bishop)

but the goal of our actions is set by biocom. our methods are mostly ours

[compact bluff]

so in the story, do the characters we play complete every mission?

[royal crow]

Yes

[eternal talon]

which is why in r7 we can "work with schaeffer" because he is blocking our access and won't let us do our mission unless we help him

[royal crow]

Without injuries

All objectives

[eternal talon]

so we are stretching what we can do a bit

[compact bluff]

thats amazing

[eternal talon]

schaeffer "broke free" by wandering out of range, so no new objectives could be added to his stack, then tore his out, likely using a similar machine to what he has henriksson use

(the reason why schaeffer and dauda have chips despite never being in the legion program is a mystery, but it would seem that the HSUs might automatically give you one if you don't have one already)

[honest summit]

Sweats in R8A2

[compact bluff]

is that level bad?

[eternal talon]

the secondary of that expedition is non-canon

whoever we play as during it, die.

[tame goblet]

How did the parasite spread inside the complex? Considering the parasite is what causes the mutations.

[worn rivet]

Hmm

[eternal talon]

so, the first instance of infection in the complex was that first chamber they dug into and got artifacts from -- that two people ignored quarantine protocols

that caused the "stoops"

a couple months later is the first mention of the parasite, and nearby in the timeline is them exploring more chambers

so its safe to assume that they only came into contact with infected surfaces at first, and later encountered sleepers, which then spread the parasite from there

[eternal talon]

Feb 21st, 2052 for first contact, Mar 18th 2052 for first infection (nam-v)

Jan 9th 2053 (if you count earwigs log) - Jan 16th 2053 for first sleeper / parasite contact

Feb 13th 2053 for first in-text mention of the parasite

I have heard the term “stoopers” used to describe the subjects. This cannot continue. It incited fear and opposition. Address your teams, Ronnie. This term is no longer acceptable in the Project Insight lexicon. You also need to stamp out use of the word “parasite” for any staff below tier 5.

hope that helps, @tame goblet

they encountered the virus, people got sick, then kept digging, and encountered the parasite, be it through infected indiviuals... or the parasite slowly making its way through the walls and getting to isolated staff members... (though the latter could entirely be people infected with nam-v seeing/hearing things)

[eternal talon]

infected indiviuals being infected collectors, infected mayans, or infected specimens from whatever species the collectors had stored aboard their ship

[tame goblet]

Yeah wondered if the worm things were crawling through the walls or if a sleeper lick gave the parasite.

Maybe it grows inside someone if they're infected with parasite residual

[worn rivet]

Gtfo is both really cool to think about as a concept and horrific in alot of ways. I mean the virus merely existing between dimensions and being able to wipe them of all life similar to the flood is one. Not to mention kso's and all of that lore or the warden stuff or the collectors

Or tanks probably being an amalgamation of infected humans or sleepers, or possibly mothers being two fused woman who are conscious and constantly feeling the pain of giving birth.

And that isn't including how the main 4 in the og team possibly doomed an entire clean planet and worldline to death by NAM-V or our betrayal of alt team and the two schaffers

Or theoretically how many civilians or innocents were turned into ksos

Cause there are alot of ksos inside garganta and there is no way all of those are disgruntled people

[eternal talon]

32,000

When 32,000 of your inmate population suddenly goes missing, that's a bit more than a statistical error

Though it was most likely not all at once, just a few at a time over many years

[nimble saddle]

wait actually

is there any Tank lore

like about the enemies

or Pablo

[eternal talon]

Tank and mom may not be entirely parasite driven mutations

It is possible, though unconfirmed, that insight (dauda)'s meddling with the infected had some role in creating them

Each variant usually is due to a different subspecies of parasite... I don't have the full list on hand atm

In the Gallus genus

The parasite is parasitidae, so it's a type of mite, like a tick

Because of long ago confirmed dev statements, sleepers "aren't zombies", so technically infected hosts are still alive as the parasite controls their bodies

The snatcher is proooobably like the tank and mom, being dauda's meddling, because of the giant shattered tank where we first encounter them in r7c1

(At least prior to alt adding them to a random r5 level)

[gray bone]

wut

[eternal talon]

The mom is made of two different people fused together.

The tank appears to be a single individual

[eternal talon]

It's true

10cc added snatchers to one of the alt expeditions

I don't remember which one

Kraken, floaters, and shockers are infected fauna that was once likely native to destination

[gray bone]

were they supposed to be introduced somewhere else that fit the narative properly?

[eternal talon]

The kraken physiologically shares the most characteristics with fish, so it was likely some form of alien whale

[eternal talon]

Yeah... r7c1

The level is named after them

"Creature"

It is the highlight

And schaeffer mentions them directly before, in r7b1

Saying one took maddox's corpse

We've never seen what the collectors look like, and there are also hundreds of other different infected species in the vessel we never get to see

In gameplay, all sleepers disintegrate. In lore, only the red subspecies do.

This is why the only sleeper corpses you find in levels are the standard white ones

The daylight mission also mentions the more aggressive ones disintegrating

Which checks out given reds only spawn on alarms or blood doors

[subtle veldt]

Uh, I have a question about KSOs?

[eternal talon]

Fire away

[subtle veldt]

What are they?

[eternal talon]

Kovac Security Operatives.

[subtle veldt]

I know that but...

[eternal talon]

Essentially biological slaves that behave like robots.

[subtle veldt]

Are they conscious or?

[eternal talon]

We play as a squad of KSOs... so yes.

[subtle veldt]

Ohhhhhh...

That's...

[eternal talon]

Kovac's primary source for the KSOs was from US prisons

[subtle veldt]

It was that log about the KSOs "holding sleepers off left and right" that I was thinking about

[eternal talon]

They'd kidnap an inmate, put them under hydrostasis for a minimum of 2 years to wipe their memory,

Then implant them with a control chip

[subtle veldt]

And there's no way to remove it?

[eternal talon]

Read this convo from earlier today

The only way is with surgical removal, or via magnet -- bricking them

But we can't do either because biocom wouldn't let us (obviously)

We'd have to be out of range, or have biocom out of the picture

[subtle veldt]

Like schaeffer

[eternal talon]

Schaeffer wandered out of range and removed his surgically.

Schaeffer removed henriksson's the same way.

We (under the control of schaeffer, who was controlling biocom at the time), use a giant magnet to brick ours

They are still in our heads... but disabled

[subtle veldt]

Just the thought and concept of that is horrid

[eternal talon]

You know, we have more freedom under the warden than we did under biocom. It's funny.

Bishop, during the ef01 expedition, under biocom and not the warden (before the warden took over), behaved literally robotic

Standing in place motionless, refusing to communicate, etc.

[subtle veldt]

Those KSOs mentioned in the log I referenced. I wonder what would have happened to them when they were overrun, were they allowed to retreat? Or were they forced to fight to their deaths?

[eternal talon]

The control chip is 1,300MB/s upload speed. It probably was controlling every joint in our body individually, a thousand orders a second

[eternal talon]

Likely forced to fight until death. KSOs are expendable. Slaves.

Their lives do not matter

[subtle veldt]

And they would have been aware and sensory for every second...

[eternal talon]

that's what the rise program was for -- KSOs were so expendable that kovac was running out! Rise was intended to just bio engineer slaves to skip the two year brainwashing step

Adults with the minds of children

Genetically sequenced and grown into adults in a matter of weeks

that is what rise was

[subtle veldt]

Was that what the Warden's creature was?

[eternal talon]

Thankfully though, it was unfinished. The complex got overrun before the project could be completed

Yes, exactly!

The warden used the remnants of RISE to make his conduits

Given r7d1, he seemed to figure it out too

Better than kovac had hoped for the project even

In r7d1 the neonate grows to an adult not in weeks, but seconds

With the help of the GLP2 hormone

[subtle veldt]

So that's what that was... They took a live baby and turned it into that thing

As if GTFO couldn't get any darker lol

[eternal talon]

The wardens conduits were made so it could try and communicate with us, particularly schaeffer.

Schaeffer beat it to death with a pipe in OGR6, but listened to it in ALT://

[eternal talon]

It still has the mind of a child you know

[subtle veldt]

Until the sleepers got it

[eternal talon]

It just has the same control chips as the rest of us

[subtle veldt]

Even worse

ohhhh god

[eternal talon]

Imagine little Timmy woke up one day as a 6' tall skeleton, picked up a gun, and started fighting monsters

That was the goal for rise

Cheaper and more efficient slaves... so they didn't need to kidnap convicts anymore

GTFO is daaaaaark

[worn rivet]

Whoa I need to dig deeper into the lore

[eternal talon]

How do you of all people not know this!?

[worn rivet]

Because I focus mainly on the main 4 of both teams and the virus

And sleeper/collector stuff, slowly branching into gargantas shithole of stuff

Oh and I didnt know about the child clone stuff was apart of gtfo

[subtle veldt]

What's with the collectors?

I have no clue as to who or what they are

[eternal talon]

Okay so this is a bit of a long story

So a long long time ago, there was this crazy Dyson sphere level advanced civilization

They traveled the multiverse, had potentially infinite power and resources

[worn rivet]

To simply From what is said in the lore, they were an exiled group from a Dyson sphere interdimesional travelling species

[eternal talon]

At one point, a group was exiled from this species

This group left with their ship, a shit ton of artifacts, and the matter wave projector

They traveled the multiverse, collecting species and storing them in their ship

Now: it is unknown if this group created the virus as a bioweapon, or if they discovered it on some world.

So they have nam-v on their ship with the rest of their collection of species

Now: they visit a world and they find the parasite, parasitidae garganta

They add it to their collection aboard their ship

At some point, the virus and the parasite meet and interact, forming a symbiotic pairing

This paring is what enables it to create the sleepers

The virus and the parasite break out of containment on the ship, and kill or infect the crew

The ship, called the vessel, drifts.