gtfo-lore

[raw terrace]

u could really pick a lot more- all platforms for mwps, r6bx hideout, all destination EVER cuz it looks really fucking good everywhere, r7d2 usb place, r7e1 reactor- which i guess is same as r5d2 really- all gardens ever

like

mhh

u really gonna look at me and tell me none of gardens enters in the "awesome" angle gallery?

not even like 2nd room in r7b1?

[eternal talon]

eh, schaeffer's hideout didn't reall have much going on. it was just pure blue

[raw terrace]

r8a1 hub tiles?

i- sorry i meant the tile outside of that too but i think that fiest one looks cool

[eternal talon]

genuinely dont even remember it.

[eternal talon]

if it takes a customprefab to look good when the entire game looked good, that's still a severe downgrade.

[raw terrace]

nah- ur not gonna look at me in the eyes and tell me that III diminished alarm zone isnt really cool

[eternal talon]

and as you said, its a matter of preference

some people may like the new engine shudders

but i am not one of them.

[raw terrace]

i think its has its moments and u can critizice it for stuff but u cannot negate its moments ksks

[eternal talon]

arguement for old menus?

i think the new ones are a straight downgrade tbh

(pic is blurry because characters had constantly changing static over them)

[raw terrace]

i like the details but i like the more sharp and colorful models by a lot

but i would like the icons back tho

those do look cool

also the button with red limits looks better for me

[eternal talon]

they still have hints of that old style in the boot up sequence.

[raw terrace]

i mean yes but
having the lil icons of the right somewhere...

but would also be kinda clutted i guess

if we only didnt have boosters ksdmkm

[eternal talon]

black spot bug looked... different, back then.

arguably worse.

[raw terrace]

no, i had that one too

[eternal talon]

its like shattered glass

[raw terrace]

it just depends on how u get it

i had that effect too

[eternal talon]

(also old burst rifle scope in the pic)

for whatever reason they flipped it around

[raw terrace]

:3 for right handeds

[eternal talon]

(i know it is the other way IRL, but it still looked more unique the way they had it)

[gray bone]

That look more like really really ancient liquid bugs

Void bugs leave usually those don't

[eternal talon]

they also nuked destination's... everything? i can't even tell what that is that they changed. its like hyper reflective

can barely make out the sandstone circle

[raw terrace]

it is weirdly reflective on shadows but looking back on og r6 it had that issue on interiors and structures too

[eternal talon]

wdym?

[raw terrace]

h maybe not thosei guess ksmdk but u know the lil house in r6b1? right in the middle of the structure?

or the in precisely r6ax to the bottom left?

those always seemed to be hyper reflextive

[tbf r6ax now still doesnt look glowy really]

[eternal talon]

i dont have a pic of the shack but i do have of the other structure in that same levellayout

[raw terrace]

not that ive noticed at least

[raw terrace]

that one exactly

the lil antenna house

[eternal talon]

were you not talking about the hidden one with the bloated corpse half way here?

[raw terrace]

ah no that one looks fine i think

meant that shack of 2 doors

[eternal talon]

nope, i've just got that one pic, unless you wanna see pics from it in r7e1 night mode

[raw terrace]

no its ok u know which one i mean

that one always looks hyper bright

even in old r6

[eternal talon]

(these pics are old r6)

[raw terrace]

so i think that issue like universalized to be on all dark areas somehow?

[raw terrace]

yes still looks like that from inside

[eternal talon]

these were my final stats on r6. I have no clue what drove me to complete D3 that many times.

i know i did a bunch of levels with randomized loadouts when i was bored...

[raw terrace]

d3 is a good level

think its aa lil too easy for what people make it up to be

the only real difficulty part is the final code rlly

but it is fun and awesome

[lilac island]

reactor cheesing

[raw terrace]

zzz

[lilac island]

get codes restart from checkpoint

https://tenor.com/view/attack-tole-tole-humble-cat-evil-nefarious-gif-3184810906682277049

[raw terrace]

zzzzzz

that got fixed

[eternal talon]

also i forgot to post when i was pinged earlier;

[raw terrace]

didnt it

[lilac island]

nope

[eternal talon]

which concept arts did you want?

i have them all saved to my favorites tab

here is one of the ones for destination

[raw terrace]

can i kiss the artist and steal their powers?

[eternal talon]

i don't think so, this isn't a brothers grimm novel and i'm faiiirly sure you aren't a fey...

[raw terrace]

:[

[quasi meadow]

Hey there, I didn't want any before but I need all of em now :}

[eternal talon]

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/kDr2Z0
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/xYkmVR
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/dKnV4A
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/BX4l9D
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/qemn4P
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/xD6Jqm
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/rJwWrm
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/39ndm2
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/lDdx6e
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/NyLb01
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/qe59Nn
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/29Xy6B
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/elox6b
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/6N1BqO
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/49LyK8
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/BXK946
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/rJwWYa
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/n0PY21
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/qe592N
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/xD6J3W
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/PX1Gro
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/OGlwYk
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/Bkk6rA
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/Dv6m1o
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/dKq8gX
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/49Ly5n
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/49Ly4n
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/xD6q4W
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/yDWoW5
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/Dv6myo
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/Dv6m8R
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/QX8rW4
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/n0PY0K
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/kQ8X86
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/PXwEky
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/PXwEky
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/JeQ3xZ
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/Dvw9ao
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/dKqBqQ
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/m8bWQv
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/obeWqz
this should be all of them...

at least all the ones i have saved links to

[quasi meadow]

Thanks a lot! :>

This is very interesting...

I especially like the character art, allows me to kind of link the in-game gear to different jobs inside the complex

[quasi meadow]

Now I haven't beaten the entire game (started at r6, didn't go through all of it, recently started a full completion run and already completed r1 and r2) but, if it can be explained without giving away major plot points, may someone describe the relation between the original versions of the game and the alt rundowns?

As far as I understand it is a different universe or something

[eternal talon]

allow me to explain the concept of the multiverse!

since the beginning of time, the big bang, it was an explosion, right? tons of particles fused, were torn apart, etc, everything was flung everywhere then the universe was a big pile of hot gas before it cooled down, you know how it goes, right?

well, every possible event instantaniously splits into two different universes. one where it did happen, and one where it didn't happen, and more for different varriations.

from the first nanosecond of the big bang, already an uncountable number of universes had been created.

this is prerequisite knowledge.

the collectors were a part of a hyper advanced, likely dyson sphere level civilization.

at some point and for some reason, the collectors were exiled from their greater civilization.

they used their ship and the matter wave projector to travel among these multiverses to collect species for their "Collection", hence the term collectors that they call themselves.

at some point, an outbreak of NAM-V and Parasitidae Garganta happens on their ship (while they just happen to be in our universe (henceforth called wordline).

the crew of the ship is infected or killed, and after a long ass time, their ship crashes into earth.

stuff happens, and eventually insight gets their hand on the collector's matter wave projector.

now for some more prerequisite knowledge.

every different worldline (universe) vibrates at its own unique frequency. this is called its quantum frequency. the way the matter wave projector works is that it 1) teleports you to a location in relative space, and 2) adjusts the frequency you (or whatever it is teleporting) vibrate at to match the target worldline's frequency, essentially enmeshing you with it.

(think how an opera singer can shatter glass by singing at the exact right frequency, otherwise it has no effect)

the collectors built the matter wave projector, they know how it works and how to use it properly.

after insight get their hands on it, they begin experimenting with it.

they lose entire sections of their lab and countless personnel to "glitches" with the device.

but they keep going.

with the use of it, they are able to come into contact with the earths of different worldlines

OG is one worldline, and ALT:// is another.

by r6 when we start messing with it, the "glitches" keep adding up, to where in r6a1 we get teleported just by touching the thing.

so we go to r6c1 to get the data cubes (also collector artifacts) to try and make it more stable

by the time of r6d4, even the data cubes have become corrupted.

so OG does their stuff in their worldline, schaeffer fights the warden by killing the conduit in OGr6 and has his rebellion in OGr7.

and ALT:// does their stuff in their worldline, schaeffer allying with the warden (and therefore no ALT://r7)

by this point, at the start of r8, the MWP is so fucked that it just starts smashing the worldlines it is connected to (via the data cubes), together, into the clusterfuck.

this is why in r8 we encounter both OG, ALT://, and the corpses of tons of other versions of our squad, AND bits of destination on earth in the complex, despite that being an entirely different planet too

does that make sense?

OG and ALT:// have always existed as different universes created by different choices in the past, they just were never able to acknowledge or interact with eachother prior to the merge.

(technically, GTFO's worldlines and multiverse also make anything you could imagine, including IRL a canon thing)

because any and every possibility spawns more worldlines.

like how the collector ship crashing into the earth made more worldlines where the crash happened, even though there was only one ship to begin with

its multiplying infinitely, forever.

like if it crashed a little to the left, or trillions of other variables

I tried to spoil as little as I could, but the topic in general is a brain fuck

[quasi meadow]

Yeah, I was about to mention how it still turned out giving away a bit of the story, hehe

No worries tho!

This is a bit different from what I imagined but hey, I can finally make sense of the game now lol

And I don't feel as bad for losing Dr.Durant's log with the desert that we get to actually see in-game to whatever tropical place is described in the alt

[eternal talon]

That jungle planet is where alt//durant went, whereas durant went to Destination in the OG worldline

[quasi meadow]

Yep, that's clear now :>

That's why I said above how I'm less annoyed by the change

[eternal talon]

there are tons of minor differences between the OG and the ALT:// logs.

i'd be more annoyed the OG half of the story isn't accessible anymore tbh

[quasi meadow]

Though I still think the way how the og log aligns with the stuff you can actually touch and see is better, more engaging and immersive

Peak log

[eternal talon]

is there anything else you'd like info on?

[quasi meadow]

That's the part I haven't discovered ingame yet, I'm sure I'll be just as pissed :D

[eternal talon]

i mean the biggest thing is ALT://r6, where you go from "schaeffer is allying with the warden now, okay, this is interesting. --> to r7 where it is all out war

a person who didn't know the original storyline would just blame it on bad writing.

afik there is no in-game notification that r7 takes place in a different universe to 1-6

other than the ALT:// moniker

which a new player like yourself wouldn't know what that means

[quasi meadow]

You're totally correct lol

[eternal talon]

(it doesn't matter how minor, I am practically an encyclopedia)

[quasi meadow]

Now I've got an active team who know nothing but the altR1&2, I'll have to do some explaining before r7

[eternal talon]

alt://1-5 for the most part plays out the same as OG

its really R6 where it diverges hard.

i can give you the original rundown 6 audio files if you want, to better serve as a lead up once you are preparing to go to r7

[quasi meadow]

Something like a little lore meeting after r6

[quasi meadow]

I'd love that!

[eternal talon]

here it is in ZIP format. Unzip when ready.

Inside the folder is all 7 schaeffer audio logs that would play during OGr6.

I did not include any of schaeffer's backstory logs, only logs that happen at the present or just prior.

(The audio files are in .wav format)

[quasi meadow]

Thanks!

[eternal talon]

your welcome!

[quasi meadow]

Because these are the only ones vastly different?

[eternal talon]

the only other dialogue in OGr6 is:

B1: Ef01 launch variation 1 & 2 at the very end of the level
C1: like three or four different Stokes logs talking about Ef01
CX/BX/DX: three logs detailing schaeffer's backstory prior to ksoification as the last survivor in garganta (not including ksos).

the ef01 and stokes logs are still in ALT, they are just now terminal logs instead of auto playing on the facility intercom

i believe the CX/BX/DX (now AX/BX/CX) level still contain the schaeffer backstory logs.

[quasi meadow]

Btw
Launch variation #1 is...
So much better than #2

[quasi meadow]

And that's bullcrap >:[

[eternal talon]

if you are opening it now, i guess keep that folder on hand for your friends when you get there.

[quasi meadow]

I just remember the log

For some reason two versions of it 💀

[eternal talon]

ohhhhh

you are talking about b1 variation 1 & 2

not a1 variation 1 & 2

[quasi meadow]

Yep

Yep

Either way yeah, #1 sounds epic while #2 sounds like they were trying to retell the entire thing from memory after 1 year

[quasi meadow]

For example - the c1's big scout room with giant pillars. It has cool atmosphere. Yk, you're trying to snipe the creatures while also listening to the log

Now ik you could just bhop around with a hammer or something, that specific spot I preferred sniping just for the cool moment

[eternal talon]

i'm not sure that level ever had an audio log

i'm pretty sure they were when you returned from picking up the data cubes

after fighting on destination

[quasi meadow]

Hmm... pretty sure there was that room next to the hole where you fight thru a moving scan alarm later on

Weird

aaa gtg

[eternal talon]

have a good night.

[lone beacon]

is there a gif of this
because I need it

[quasi meadow]

Thanks and I'm back :D (you agreed to this )

Is all of the above (about the multiverse) explained in-game somehow? Is it at least partly described so one can figure it out (given they posess what you marked as prequisite knowledge)?

Your explanation was brilliant. I'm just curious if the devs tried to explain the sudden plot shift to the players somehow, like at all, in any rundown

I'm guessing they didn't but I'll still wait for some info :>

[bright sphinx]

And he waddled away

[eternal talon]

There was no build up. OGR6 surprised us all.

The stuff about quantum frequencies and how the matter wave projector works were covered in logs by Stokes in r6 and later.

As to the multiverse, beyond quantum frequency it is very much left to speculation, though we do have several hundred (at least) confirmed universes with details given to us in the excel spreadsheet log.

R1-R2 basically had no logs originally.

R3 I'm not sure.

R4 and R5 primarily just had logs talking about KSOs and hydrostasis

[eternal talon]

As to the story parts with the collectors and insight's experiments and stuff, that is all practically quotes from logs.

[royal crow]

Did i missed a massive lore convo yesterday?

[eternal talon]

Yes. Two people asked lore questions.

I had to flood to earth twice.

[royal crow]

😔

[eternal talon]

And ontop of that we had a lengthy discussion over the old/new lighting engine

[eternal talon]

@royal crow has the gif, I made the video from it.

[quasi meadow]

r3 added audio logs afaik

[royal crow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/585063132553281556/798962215276380240/walkingbigguy.gif

[royal crow]

Damnit

[quasi meadow]

i need the old one bad, trying to unbreak the legacyfog mod

still no old lighting but at least the game would look similar

[eternal talon]

I'm not sure their contents off the top of my head.

I keep my archive sorted by date

[eternal talon]

I know some people in HC Modding have emulated the effect with levellayout light settings with wetness turned way up

But it's still not quite the same.

I'm not sure well ever see the old engine again sadly.

[quasi meadow]

something akin to wetness is exactly the problem with what I'm doing. The mod (even if set to be as close as possible to post-r6) is giving me some crazy gunshot-grade flashes from all the tiny reflections under specific angles

it also makes the game darker (not the way it's supposed to) but that's less of a problem

[eternal talon]

I'm not sure the specifics of how the old engine worked. From what I can tell, they stripped it out completely.

So you may be fuckled

[quasi meadow]

I mean I am working with just a mod

[eternal talon]

As was I. I spent countless hours fucking with the engine to try and make my blood fog look good in my total conversion Projekt Thermonuclear

It's a losing battle, but I still think it came out okay.

Like, I'm pretty sure you'd need a plug-in wizard

[quasi meadow]

Time to put up a job listing that's just that

[eternal talon]

I'm sure if you asked in HC modding someone would be willing to help you.

Regardless,

.t modding

.t modding

[ruby lake]

While we do allow the use of some QoL and visual mods, GTFO doesn't officially support modding. However, we do recognize that a GTFO modding community exists and if you are interested in them, you are welcome to check out the modding communities found in #hc-modded (If you have any more questions, please read rule #12 in the rules channel for more information.)

[eternal talon]

So back to lore!

[quasi meadow]

Are the main working principles behind hybrid electrothermal light-gas guns part of the lore? 😄

[eternal talon]

No idea. The game is set in the 2060s. The outbreak happened in the mid 2050s. You could probably handwaive a lot of gun science

I don't think so at least. Iirc HEL is just in their names, not in logs

[lone beacon]

he approaches

[quasi meadow]

I was just being a smartass

The technology is pretty fascinating tho

[eternal talon]

I have a terrible insight score. It's like a -4 modifier

I just reply to everybody the same

[quasi meadow]

Swap your boosters, mate 😄

I get you btw, I'll keep in mind

[plush nest]

High pressure gas that is ignited by an electrical coil I think

Don’t know what the hybrid stands for though

[tranquil sentinel]

Maybe hybrid because it's still bullets in casings so it kind of functions like "normal" weapons?

[raw terrace]

oops

teehee

was for someone else

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light-gas_gun#Hybrid_electrothermal_light-gas_gun

light gas gun with the hybrid

[tranquil sentinel]

Omg they added GTFO weapons to real life

So cool of scientists to do that with such a small indie title

[tough wave]

I think it's cool as hell the devs went for this instead of "they're railguns" tbh

[north obsidian]

what is the reason in r7d1 for doing the neonate objective and is it related to the trojan

[eternal talon]

alright, so here is the jidst.

r7a1: We are still working for the warden as normal, schaeffer is scheming. he decides to seal a door we need to get through for us to complete the objective the warden set for us. Schaeffer is the only one who can open it, so we reluctantly do as schaeffer wishes (recycle_group_7a42 or something) and schaeffer opens the door. schaeffer now has access to both maddox and henrikkson's HSUs.

Schaeffer wakes maddox, and he fucks it up. maddox's brain melts, and schaeffer strangles him out. failure.

R7b1: after some research, schaeffer learns that he needs to administer hydrokinetic fluid to prevent the neural collapse. just like a1, he prevents us from moving forward unless we go along with what he wants, and so we gather a hydrokinetic case for him and deliver it at the drop-box. (the warden's objective for this mission and future missions is to replace the conduit that schaeffer killed in r6)

r7c1: schaeffer uses the fluid to wake henrikkson and frees him from the chip that would otherwise let the warden control him.

r7c3: supposed to be a really easy mission, but schaeffer and henrikkson interfere and fuck it up royally. they are starting to figure out how to cut out the warden and free us.

r7d1: the warden has us finish making the replacement for the conduit. (if you look at the final pod just before extraction, the infant grows to an adult in seconds)

r7d2: schaeffer cuts the breaks on our elevator, sending us out of range of the warden and waaaay far from where our objective is supposed to be. we install a memory stick in a biocom mainframe, granting schaeffer and henrikkson partial control over biocom. at this point, we are being controlled by both. two puppeteers fighting over the same set of strings; schaeffer and the warden.

r7e1: we restart the reactor powering that node and successfully kick out the warden, making us exclusively controlled by schaeffer.

so in r7 the neonate is entirely unrelated to the trojan. the trojan and memory stick are entirely schaeffer and henrikkson's doing.

the neonate is just the warden trying to replace destroyed assets. maybe it hopes it can try to communicate with schaeffer again with a new unit, who knows.

but by the end the warden is out of biocom in the OG worldline.

(or at the very least no longer has control over us)

depending on how broad you think schaeffer's plans are

if you didn't read the conversation last night grang, it may be helpful to you. basically, r7 is completely unrelated to alt://r6. they are entirely different universes.

its just a product of the OG worldline rundowns being removed and replaced with the alt:// ones.

there is no alt://r7 because alt://schaeffer didn't kill the conduit, but instead listened to it.

(and therefore also no rebellion)

[coral gorge]

least deranged lore segment in GTFO be like

[eternal talon]

CUBIX!

i thought maybe you had died

or had a stroke from the number of messages

its been days

[north obsidian]

yeah i know about that part i was just wondering what the neonate was for

so my question is now is r3d1 neonate related to the dead conduit we see in cx

[coral gorge]

I am better than that

[raw terrace]

i believe we dont know whether is the same one or not but- yes neonatal processes are for making conduits

the r7 one just never got to be used cuz we technically didnt even complete it

cuz r7d2 was going to get pmother seeds for it i think

but schaeffer pulls on the breaks

[coral gorge]

I dont think it is? R3A1 calls the neonate some diffrent unit name than the one in CX u believe, unless im tripping

[raw terrace]

neonatal hsu

which is like by all intends n purposes the same thing- i mean we do the same stuff to it except at the end we leave it connected

so it could be not it

[coral gorge]

its number i mean

CX says „confirm status of unit xx” (i forgor the number)

and i think the R3A1 is called like „unit yy”

but im not 100% sure

[sudden quarry]

Gist*

[lone beacon]

dgschjimst*

[eternal talon]

The r3 neonate was used for storage... we leave it behind at the end of the rundown. It's probably dead. I don't remember if it had a number assigned to it or not.

[tranquil sentinel]

Wdym storage

And wtf are conduits

I'm at R8 yet i don't understand what we're doing because I always forget what I did in the prior rundown

I'm such a lore accurate prisoner in that sense

[raw terrace]

conduits are the thing schaeffer talks to/kills
they r human clones originally intended for combat but unfinished and then repurposed by the warden to talk through it

[raw terrace]

also- In R3, we connect the neonate to the same machine that connects to dataspheres

[eternal talon]

They were using that neonate's brain as a hard drive...

this is grimdark

You should see the size of the needle we used

(I should probably at some point read through all of r3's missions, i haven't done so in years)

I only remember the basics of it's plot

[eternal talon]

R8 is not a continuation of r7 technically

Nor is it of alt://r6 technically

[eternal talon]

Read through this post from a couple days ago.

[coral gorge]

ah how i love this game and the fucked up campaigns system

i hope when one day we get l4d3 it looks the same way as this game

you get 2 of the same campaigns except they are diffrent

[royal crow]

Cubix

What about

Silksong

[bright sphinx]

Silksong will never release

[coral gorge]

shut the fuck up

[lone beacon]

Cuballs

[coral gorge]

choke on deez balls

[eternal talon]

what even is silksong?

[gray bone]

The sequel to hollow knight which unfortunately has adopted hollow knight's development philosophy

Which is to add more and more as it goes on
Thus being in perma development hell

(Speculation for the most part, but it's from past observations of how they made hollow knight)

[thick ridge]

Please stay on topic.
Thank you

[gray bone]

who's mamox

[royal crow]

Madox

[lilac island]

Wraden

[worn rivet]

Quick lore question who's in peoples opinion is the character who's done the worst crime my guess is either chaffer or the warden or maybe one of the main crew

Also probably the virus doesn't count cause it's not really a character

[royal crow]

The warden is not even a person

I doubt he has done "bad" things

Especially because he is an alien

Schaeffer was just an enginner

[worn rivet]

I couldn't tell if it's a person or cause in one of the logs it says it's a computer system

[royal crow]

The Main crew depends on how You see it

Dauda did experiments on people

Woods killed a bunch of people

Hackett killed civilians

Bishop.....
Tried to blackmail people
Didnt end well

[worn rivet]

They all committed crime out of the four bishops is slightly less then the others but still bad

[royal crow]

Loo

Lol

Bishop is the only one that doesnt fit there

Yet he is part of the perfect squad

[worn rivet]

But out of them all Hackett killed civilians and if I remember didnt god tell him too or whatever

Which is most definitely insanity woods killed a fuckton of marines

[royal crow]

Nope
Woods is the one that speaks with god

And he actually speaks with him
Because god told him very vaguely about what was going to happen

[worn rivet]

Oh sorry yeah I'm trying to figure the main crews stuff out who's who and what not

[royal crow]

Theres a log where Woods Say how god told him about a virus and multiple selfs

[worn rivet]

Oh so he might have talked to god or might have talked to the aliens but Dauda is in my opinion slight worse then the others cause didnt he experiment with the virus on living people or am I wrong with that

[royal crow]

He definitely experimented with people and shit

Classic bad scientist

Then he went into the HSU when everything went to shit
So he can "make things right"

[worn rivet]

Oh yeah I'm going to have to look more into some of the levels logs and that stufd

[royal crow]

This game has a really interesting story

Too bad it has a lot of plotholes

And i mean a lot

[worn rivet]

Yeah Its weirdly complex alot and isn't there like three different ways the virus supposedly attacks or whatever

[royal crow]

The virus is a whole topic on its own

@eternal talon

She can help You a lot with that topic

[worn rivet]

Thanks I'll see when shes online

[honest summit]

Thinking about it

Why are we Not using hollow Point ammunition with other guns

Almost No enemies have any Armor whatsoever and they dont pierce anyways since it is reserved for Hel weaponry

But then its only the Sniper rifle that Has hollow Points even though it is supposed to be Armor piercing

[coral gorge]

they’re expensive i guess

[honest summit]

Hel gun ammunition would be more costly i assume

[safe gale]

mfw hel revolver has lots of ammo

[quasi meadow]

The revolver is a cheaper gun to make I'd say

[safe gale]

is fair

[quasi meadow]

Also the revolver isn't a HEL gun, it's just a normal revolver with new ammo (which is also not exactly HEL) put in it.

I just thought of that now

[quasi meadow]

Yk what yeah this doesn't make much sense unless the revolver is both everyone's carry (based) and gets some modernisation program of completely replacing normal ammo with the new stuff in the entire facility

[eternal talon]

dauda, without question. its not even remotely close.

he's literally like a 1940s nazi concentration camp doctor conducting experiments on civilians -- with nam-v and the parasite.

and he wasn't the best person before being hired at garganta, either.

he worked for anybody who would pay him, moral obligations be damned.

[eternal talon]

its not human regardless. its either an alien AI or its an alien consciousness controlling biocom as a sort of body. we don't know which.

[gray bone]

Is the alt version worse than the og one

Or was it the other way around

[eternal talon]

woods really just needed to be put in a psyche ward. it wasn't malice iirc, he was just incredibly unstable.

[eternal talon]

hackett acknowledged he had a problem and was the only person ever recorded to have volunteered to be a KSO. he treated it as a sort of redemption or recompense.

[eternal talon]

bishop by far didn't deserve this fate. the only morally good person on the squad (probably chaotic good, but still)

[eternal talon]

yes, this is a canon thing. in one of the infinite worldlines THERE IS A GOD, and numerous different bishops speak with him.

[eternal talon]

or he interprets the collectors as "god", thats a posibility too i guess.

[eternal talon]

in one of the logs he remembers using a needle to inject air into a patient of his to kill them.

[eternal talon]

because we are using what is left in the complex. we are half a decade on from the collapse of the human race. I would imagine all of the most effective ammunition was used first, back when KOVAC were still actively fighting back in the mines.

[eternal talon]

he commited the same atrocities in alt://, he arguably just felt more bad about it

[tranquil sentinel]

Sorry for ping question's answered I just had to read

[gray bone]

I don't think she minds that much

But yeah thanks frostty

[eternal talon]

nah you are fine

[lone beacon]

what is this?

[eternal talon]

if i had to rate their "goodness" scale, this is what i'd say they would be.

[eternal talon]

just a quick chart in microsoft paint

[royal crow]

the fuck did the warden do

i mean

[lone beacon]

but what's it rating?

[royal crow]

he practically killed a lot of people

but

[eternal talon]

apathy and uncaring.

disregard for life

[royal crow]

tbh
its justified

[eternal talon]

"ends justify the means"

i play a lot of D&D

[royal crow]

sometimes

[eternal talon]

its that style of "only objective goodness counts" chart

[royal crow]

and in this case it does apply
theres a world ending multi-dimensional virus

anyone would do ANYTHING to either stop it or find a way to save whoever is left

[lone beacon]

I mean tbf the Warden is also an Alien construct and they likely have a way different view on morals, if any

[eternal talon]

additionally, biocom was biological in nature. it was a living, thinking entity.

[tranquil sentinel]

Let me guess

[royal crow]

too bad so sad

[tranquil sentinel]

Baby brains turned into CPUs?

[eternal talon]

https://tenor.com/view/good-old-days-sundowner-sundowner-mgr-mgr-metal-gear-rising-gif-25009322

[tranquil sentinel]

Or some other crazy grim bio tech stuff like that?

[eternal talon]

we dont know specifics, but it is something like that, yeah.

[tranquil sentinel]

Oh

[eternal talon]

CPUs or hard drives

[royal crow]

10000 SSDs stacked on each other

[tranquil sentinel]

Maybe santonian/kovac was the real enemy all along?

And whoever their affiliates are

[royal crow]

kovac was a really shady company

[eternal talon]

profit > ethics, as all dystopian corporations are

Dreyfus owned like half of the planet

the Weyland Yutani of GTFO

[eternal talon]

nah, ping me whenever. I live for the lore here

[tranquil sentinel]

Alright, you sent this message twice now

Pulling me back into the lore pit

I do have a question though

Were the objectives in the original pre r7 rundowns different?

Or are the levels just optimized recreations that somehow are woven into the lore

[eternal talon]

oh did I? oh.

[tranquil sentinel]

It's alright

[eternal talon]

i think every single objective in alt:// is the same

the story changed, not the gameplay

[tranquil sentinel]

Oh

[eternal talon]

the undertones of the story are different, especially in alt://r6,

but alt://r1-r5 are basically identical barring logs

(and a couple enemies here and there that show up early)

[tranquil sentinel]

Why did they do that though

[eternal talon]

10cc wanted to rerelease the original rundowns with a twist (their words)

this is all a byproduct of their rundown system where they'd delete the previous rundown when the new one dropped

they lost years of content

and the community cried loud enough that they brought them back

they took a couple years re-making everything that they deleted

(which is why the last major rundown, r7, was yeaaaars ago)

it was basically just FOMO the game

they even removed guns and stuff

[tranquil sentinel]

What?

Which guns

[loud urchin]

just wait until you take a look at real world corporations! then you'll see that it's not just... hey wait we do live in a dystopia already

[eternal talon]

i think almost all of them over the run of the old rundown system?

like, the arbalist machine gun was only ever in two rundowns pre-alt

[tranquil sentinel]

And so they just slapped it all back in afterwards

[eternal talon]

the backlash against the rundown system was justified.

[tranquil sentinel]

That would explain why the guns are so badly balanced

[eternal talon]

otherwise when gtfo ended, we'd only have r7 or whatever r8 would have turned out being

and nothing else

12 expeditions for $40

[tranquil sentinel]

Peak game

[eternal talon]

I wouldn't be surprised if their new game, DoW follows the same FOMO route.

(iirc they are also planning microtransactions for it)

[lone beacon]

oh boy I love microtransactions

especially when they include gambling

[eternal talon]

i honestly dont really even play gtfo anymore. i just stick around because i love the story, for all its faults

i've seen more regulars come and go from this channel than i can count.

[final sentinel]

lol yeah i stick around for the people ngl

don’t care about the game anymore really

[eternal talon]

mirv, duraxus, punkthulu, amanes, duck... just to name a few.

[final sentinel]

PUNK

PUNK IS BACK?

[eternal talon]

no

[final sentinel]

damn :(

i miss punk

[eternal talon]

but this is my point

i'm ancient

[final sentinel]

He was part of my moderator batch

[eternal talon]

like a treant and this channel is my glade

[final sentinel]

lol, i feel that

[royal crow]

who?

[eternal talon]

punkthulu

they used to be a moderator on this server and frequented this channel to talk lore

iirc they worked in disaster cleanup, and were a professional.

like CoolBeanz was.

[final sentinel]

They were awesome

i miss him

[eternal talon]

this game has been in its final state for what, 6 months now?

eventually I will be alone. people come and go.

[final sentinel]

yeah

hey at least modding has kicked up

[eternal talon]

eh, not my thing. despite making my own modded rundown, i don't think i've ever actually played a modded rundown besides jerry's turkey hunt as part of a charity stream

i remember playing cursed halo with him at one point, that was fun though

i dont generally mod games as a whole

[royal crow]

i usually mod a free camera and thats it

almost every single game i have has a free cam mod installed

lol

[eternal talon]

back when new rundowns were frequent, i was a massive user of door cheese to get all the logs as fast as possible

i remember we used to have speedruns the day a new rundown dropped to see who could gather the most new lore

[royal crow]

door cheese

[eternal talon]

it would be almost impossible to have a conversation in this channel those days

[eternal talon]

hey, i play gtfo for the story and vibes, not gameplay

[final sentinel]

that is like the one time I approve of the use of door cheese ngl

[eternal talon]

also good luck getting good mob screenshots without it

[final sentinel]

I’ve dabbled in a few, but most just don’t stick with me ngl

I didn’t ever finish PT, but it’s a big reason Occlusion has a story

[eternal talon]

PT was definately a product of learning the system as I went, with A1, B1, C2, and D1 being the most interesting levels.

a lot of the others i feel I could have done so much better with them

[final sentinel]

yeye

I tried to limit myself on majorly reworking levels

Because I knew I’d just get stuck in a loop of constantly reconstructing them

[eternal talon]

i remade a1 and a2 like six times before i was finally happy with them.

b1 i remade twice

from the ground up

[final sentinel]

unless I really wasn’t satisfied with a level, it wouldn’t get a major makeover. Only happened to C2, and it’ll be happening to D3 because the levels a little broken

splitting up the party breaks GTFO

[eternal talon]

with the way I left it with only partial voice acting and a couple mediocre levels, i can't help but cringe looking back at parts of it

[final sentinel]

me too

[eternal talon]

if i were to put the time in and made a sequel it'd def be smaller in scope, maybe 1/3rd as long

[final sentinel]

Legit anytime someone streams occy I cringe when they hit B1/E2

Because voice

and it’s gonna be every level when i eventually finish it

[eternal talon]

i think hirnu did a really good job.

[final sentinel]

OH did hirnu voice in PT?

[eternal talon]

for voice, i'd either try and get him again or i'd use an AI with filters

[final sentinel]

dang that’s cool I didn’t realize he voiced

[eternal talon]

he voiced Command

and i had a french guy voice S-Crak in yok4

[final sentinel]

awesome

I’m voicing all 2 of my characters lol

[eternal talon]

yeah, the roster of PT is fucking huge, no way that was going to end up fully voiced lol

[final sentinel]

How many characters

Ah ok

[eternal talon]

2 quads, a solo operative, a survivor, the survivor faction, command, s-crak, and the facility AI

[final sentinel]

well i guess i technically have 4, but 1 is in 2 logs in 1 level, and one is a partial joke for like 10 seconds

[final sentinel]

Ok yeah

Thas a lot

[eternal talon]

at first it was two people developing PT, me and Myresa. when they left, my hands were quite full for some months finishing it off.

the credits log in d1 is like
frostty, frostty, frostty, frostty, frostty, frostty, frostty, myresa, frostty, frostty, frostty...

[final sentinel]

Occy has you following the path of an operative who got separated from his squad while they were apprehending Schaeffer and Henrikkson, and he finds out about a way out of the complex way deeper down

[final sentinel]

Bruh i made a mod to change the vanilla credits video

so i have like 2 minutes

Because I’m crediting ALL the people who played the mod that helped me with feedback

[eternal talon]

i just used a log and put it at the start of the final level, d1.

[final sentinel]

yeah, that’s a good one too

[eternal talon]

i'm a simple person, plugins largely confuse me

[final sentinel]

The plugin is have is actually super easy to use

[eternal talon]

like i said, if i were to make a sequel, it'd have like 5 levels, rather than the dozen+ that pt has

[eternal talon]

you underestimate my dumbassness

[final sentinel]

You need local progression to use the credits post-level, because the rundown ID has to be 35 to work, but other than that, you just label a video “credits.mp4” and put it in a folder

Boom done

[final sentinel]

Dw I had hirnu and cheese help me rescusitate this plugin

i am terrible with that stuff too

[eternal talon]

hirnu helped me with subject, i remember. he wrote a small plugin to try and fix a quad that was despawning him in oblivion

to instead spawn 20 more of it

if it dissapeared from the level or was killed

[final sentinel]

yeah I’ve heard tales of Oblivion

[eternal talon]

as far as i know, its only had three completions

or as far as i've been informed.

[final sentinel]

Lockout 2 F1 type beat

[eternal talon]

(dunno why people wouldn't, it gets their credits in the mod)

[final sentinel]

yeah I never wanted to make a level that hard

[eternal talon]

it was designed as a joke that just went too far when people started actually beating it...

[final sentinel]

Occy generally supposed to be a R5-R8 type difficulty

[final sentinel]

Yeah lmao i remember that

[eternal talon]

the final error alarm spawns on the extraction scan

like, its unfairly-hard

[final sentinel]

man, like I wanna finish E3/F1

But i just have no GTFO motivation rn

[eternal talon]

same

i've started working on two sequels to PT and abandoned both behind the scenes

[final sentinel]

yeah lol I did that too

[eternal talon]

the main reason why PT took off was just because i had help to start.

from there it was fairly easy

but then again the later levels aren't very complicated

i think b1 is the best pt ended up having.

it had everything

elevation change down into blood fog, a reactor, shadows, chargers, uplink secondary, the bridge, baby surge alarm, power cells...

if i could make a rundown with five levels the quality of pt's b1 -- it'd be heaven

[royal crow]

the baby surge💀

i hate those little fuckers

[eternal talon]

have you played it?

[royal crow]

i played it with you

lol

[eternal talon]

did you???

[royal crow]

yeah

[eternal talon]

god, my memory is falling apart

[royal crow]

it was like a year ago

[final sentinel]

lmao

[eternal talon]

Late, but don't forget the warden also locked all the survivors in garganta when it sealed the doors, dooming many otherwise uninfected folks to a far worse fate -- being sleeperified

[lone beacon]

sleeperified is definitely a word

[coral gorge]

alternatively we can say they „fell asleep”

[plush nest]

Just out of curiosity what happened to the guy that kept going on about chimp something? I know they got banned from this chat but haven’t seen them elsewhere either

[royal crow]

The what thing now?

Chimp?

[queen gazelle]

Chimp theory only has one active operator

[plush nest]

I don’t know what they called it, they just kept going on that the sleepers were chimps I think?

[queen gazelle]

Ryk

the rest are banned

[plush nest]

For what?

Or was it not relevant to the chimp thing

[royal crow]

Aint no way people got banned for talking about that

💀

[coral gorge]

I mean
I think they only got banned from this chat, no? Atleast for spamming/trolling with chimp theory

[royal crow]

Omg cubix

Hi hello hi

[plush nest]

That’s what I thought but I haven’t seen them elsewhere

[lone beacon]

monke

[coral gorge]

Possible they left or got banned for other things

beep

[plush nest]

I know there was something with beep at least but that’s possible

Kk thanks

[loud urchin]

as long as i am alive, chimp theory will never be forgotten

[queen gazelle]

This is a serious discussion chat

check the chat for the tag serious

[eternal talon]

afik they only got banned from #gtfo-lore (NLO), I have no idea what happened to them after. it was quite some time ago, it is possible that they just left the server due to disinterest

[queen gazelle]

MODs banned them. mainly because they continued to troll I think mainly Eva

But mainly trolled Eva

I think that still Holds sorry you are one of three active mods

[cunning light]

In any case, if people got banned, it is because they were breaking server rules. Move along to other topics, please

[north obsidian]

whats the story behind the r4d2 tank room

[eternal talon]

well, we can make several observations.

the room is full of the corpses of RISE subjects, literally piles of them, all dead.

there are HSUs from wall to wall, and even more further down the ramp to the next zone.

in the center of the room is the only enemy, a single tank.

I think it's fairly simple: the tank was in the room at the time the HSUs open, the people all woke up, went HUUUUAUAAAGHHH like we do, piss off the tank, and it starts throwing bodies.

they don't have guns, weapons, or even light armor. they didn't stand a chance

[north obsidian]

is the room related to dauda by any chance

[eternal talon]

I don't know. I don't think its mentioned in any logs.

[north obsidian]

i was told that they were daudas experiments

[eternal talon]

its more of a visual scene than a written one

[north obsidian]

ok

[eternal talon]

i mean thats... probable.

we can't really say.

[north obsidian]

i was also told (altho i dont think its true) that dauda was responsible for the tank

[eternal talon]

weither the mother and tanks were a natural evolution of the parasite or if they were influenced by mankind is a debated topic, but i am on the side of "they are natural, i haven't seen proof enough to convince me otherwise"

[north obsidian]

what about pablo

[eternal talon]

if they were influenced mutations, then it absolutely would have been to do with dauda's work, because he was pretty much the only person experimenting on them

[eternal talon]

we know actually nothing. like, actually nothing

there are at least three of them in r7e1, unless you assume it is smart enough to be using the teleporters

[north obsidian]

theres a log in pablo room

i thought it was related to him

considering its talking about mutation n shit

[eternal talon]

no, the log in question is related to dauda's research in general. gimme a sec...

(they recatagorized it to r8 on the wiki, but good for me that i still have a picture of it in-game from way back then

the log is almost exclusively about the virus, not the parasite and its hosts

[north obsidian]

so like besides the usual enemies is there no genuine explanation for like shadows, tanks, pmom, mega mom, flyers, or even the snatcher?

[eternal talon]

fliers are infected aliens. snatcher, we have nothing, but they were either experimenting on them, or created them, due to the shattered tube in r7c1

pmom, megamom, shadows, not really.

the megamom is mentioned in an r8 log, but with no detail other than they see it in the tracker

[north obsidian]

what about infectious fog/spitters

or even the cocoons

[eternal talon]

buuuuuut... this says the inner, so it could also not be the megamom
The answer has to be in the Inner, I know it. There’s an area we've sealed off with several bulkheads; a chamber with a biomass larger than anything we've seen before. Thousands of biosigs and at least one unknown, massive, organism. We've avoided dealing with it, but we’re out of time. Tomorrow. We have to face it, and this time I'm going with them. I refuse to die a cautious man. I choose to fight. Tomorrow, we open the doors. Hearsay off.

[eternal talon]

nope nope

the fog and spitters infection are not, nam-v though, we know that for sure

because of syringes

[north obsidian]

isnt that the log in r8e1

I thought it talks about the kraken

considering the kraken is in r8e1/e2

(would like to avoid r8e2 spoilers)

[eternal talon]

the kraken and the terrain we fight it in is alpha-three, teleported to earth iirc

its destination stuff drawn in with the matter wave collapse

[eternal talon]

(was about to post a pic, lucky i saw that)

[north obsidian]

only level i havent done yet besides like r4e1

[eternal talon]

it is hellish, but fun

i've only ran it with cheats tho

[north obsidian]

i only know like what happens up until the kraken fight

[eternal talon]

yeah, afterwards is the best stuff.

you'll like it

i'll just say this; it isn't a fade to black/level end right away, you get to see some of it after the warp

[north obsidian]

also in r8e1

is there a dead kraken

in kds deep

[eternal talon]

no

[north obsidian]

the claw looking things

ok

[eternal talon]

claw looking things?

[north obsidian]

in like the final r8e1 i thought it kinda looked like the krakens teeth

by the sides

[eternal talon]

what in this pic?

[north obsidian]

yes

[eternal talon]

its just all bent metal I beams

[north obsidian]

alright

on a different note

what is the influx protocol in r5e1

[eternal talon]

giving the warden access to KDS-DEEP

when schaeffer entered in a looooooong time ago, he was being chased by sleepers. he locked it down -- closed the doors, and couldn't get it open again.

pretty much the entirety of r5 is making the influx protocol possible so we can open it up again

there are 24,000 KSOs inside. before r5e1, the warden only had 8k of us

[north obsidian]

but like by that time when r5e1

with all that hydrostasis units

[eternal talon]

the vault

[north obsidian]

guessing none of them were actually used by the wardrn?

[eternal talon]

it didn't have access to them.

it did at one point, but after the lockdown for whatever reason it didn't.

[north obsidian]

so they just kinda die in r8e1?

[eternal talon]

(because during the collapse near the end it recalled all KSOs to deep)

[eternal talon]

you asked for no spoilers... so i'm just gonna say no.....

[north obsidian]

actually i can probably guess what happens

[raw terrace]

spoiler the hsus had cereal in them

corn flakes

[eternal talon]

there is a reason why the room the alt://quad enters in r8e1 is caved in, as if something is missing

[raw terrace]

nommy

[north obsidian]

they probably teleport the entire thing but thats just my guess gonna wait to see what actually happens

[eternal talon]

it wasn't just OG quad that got teleported

for better or worse

[north obsidian]

on a different note who is august and teale

[eternal talon]

iirc weren't they santonian psyche staff?

like psychiatrists?

[raw terrace]

teale was

[eternal talon]

one of the main (first) symptoms of nam-v is insanity

[north obsidian]

a so just psycho patients

[eternal talon]

so they had a lot of psyche staff brought in and stuff like that

[eternal talon]

Phys: Dr. August Teale B023

its their first and last name

**DT-E257-014
**

[north obsidian]

ah alright

also another thing right these names right theres a log that lists them and is seemingly infinite in r2b2 that also seems to keep repeating the same names over and over again

does it have any meaning

if you know which log im talking about

[eternal talon]

the excel spreadsheet log?

[north obsidian]

like every character we see in the game is listed

the what

[eternal talon]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16oVY__ZK6RrR3nVQlqmOBgwZxADNjtwHNgweUOHKty0/edit?usp=sharing

this one?

[north obsidian]

yea

[eternal talon]

i'll break it down for you.

GENOME DATA: That specific person's genetics, like, this person is this person and nobody else
MEMBRANE ID: which worldline(universe) that person belongs to
NAME: obv
LOCAL ID: their santonian, kovac, or insight staff ID number in the worldline they belong to
LOCAL HSU LOCATION: if they are in an hsu, or if they have on assigned, that is its location number.
LOCAL STATUS: obv

the point of the log in general is to show that during insight's experiments with the matter wave projector, they came into contact with other worldline earths and those earths with their insights and their matter wave projectors and...

make *more sense?

given most, if not all of the IDs follow the "F., O., T., GO" system, its probably a list of exclusively legionarres.

[north obsidian]

ok

is there any significant differences of the ef-01 expedition in the og and the alt timeline?

if it even happened in the og

[eternal talon]

OG: they went to Destination. They were all killed by floaters except for bishop, who warped back alone two weeks later.

ALT:// (no pics because r8e2 spoiler) They went to the Jungle Planet. They are still alive and well. (it is presumed alt://bishop is not alt://bishop, but another worldline's bishop due to them finding bishop's mask on the landing platform when he already still had it on his face, hence two identical masks. (the new "alt://bishop" warped in two weeks later.

just like og's bishop warped two weeks after launch back home

[north obsidian]

was the bishop during the expedition a kso operative like fully memory wiped

or is it before that

[eternal talon]

if you couldn't intuit it from this response, the clean worldline is durant's jungle planet.

[royal crow]

He was already a KSO

[eternal talon]

yes. most kso's act like biological robots, with no free will

he was more robotic back then than he is now.

under the warden, it would seem we have more free will allotted to us, but still not much

[north obsidian]

i really want to get to e2 man

i really wanna know what happens

the temptation

[eternal talon]

its a great, horrible ending if you know the lore, and a great hopeful ending if you don't.

[north obsidian]

ive been holding for over a year now

aight

Well thats enough for me today ima go to sleep now

[eternal talon]

(horrible not as in it sucks and its trash, but horrible as in OH GOD OH NO... THIS MEANS... OH NO!! no happy ending after all)

[coral gorge]

||atleast we can die free||

[north obsidian]

whats the story behind hisec cargos, cryogenic cases and glp canisters

[coral gorge]

Hisecs and cryos are pretty obvious, theyre just some important materials

as for glps… i dont remember ngl

[honest summit]

Lootboxes

Warden is trying to unbox a new knife skin for us

[north obsidian]

the warden is a cs knife collector?!?!

[coral gorge]

always has been

[cold sphinx]

Ofc youd go for the gambling addiction

[worn rivet]

Can I just ask do we know the ages of the both crews when I say both I mean the alt crew and the regular crew

If theres a difference in age at all

[plush nest]

Glyco something peptide?

[coral gorge]

there is no diffrence in age

as for the actual age... I would assume the character logs have them? But I dont remember from the top of my head

• yknow, the whole sitting in an HSU for a decade thing doesnt make it easy to judge their age at the time of the actual game

[eternal talon]

GLPs are real. Google glucose peptide hormones.

[eternal talon]

I don't think there is any difference

[tranquil sentinel]

The warden needs his insulin so he sends us to collect glps

[loud urchin]

glucagon like peptide...
glucagon is not like insulin...

[tranquil sentinel]

"The main actions of GLP-1 are to stimulate insulin secretion (i.e., to act as an incretin hormone) and to inhibit glucagon secretion, thereby contributing to limit postprandial glucose excursions. It also inhibits gastrointestinal motility and secretion and thus acts as an enterogastrone and part of the "ileal brake" mechanism. GLP-1 also appears to be a physiological regulator of appetite and food intake. Because of these actions, GLP-1 or GLP-1 receptor agonists are currently being evaluated for the therapy of type 2 diabetes. Decreased secretion of GLP-1 may contribute to the development of obesity, and exaggerated secretion may be responsible for postprandial reactive hypoglycemia."
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17928588/

[tranquil sentinel]

It's a joke and I know that GLP ≠ insulin, it's just related in that sense

[loud urchin]

mfw the hormone with glucagon in its name doesn't exhibit the effects of glucagon

this sucks i'm dropping out of healthcare

[eternal talon]

I responded to a post on reddit discussing ALT://R6CX, please ping me if they appear asking for further information.

[coral gorge]

sorry frosty you are the only person who willingly uses reddit

[eternal talon]

I meant moreso if they show up here. I'm not asking you to patrol the GTFO reddit

[lilac island]

Instructions unclear, posting cat pictures on gfto reddit

[queen gazelle]

Na the gtfo Reddit is massively stupid

It is worth to use

[warped bloom]

?

[gray bone]

Stupid?

As in flooded with misinfo or smth else?

[royal crow]

the short rifle copypasta came from reddit

thats all you have to know

[gray bone]

Oh right
i still remember that frying my brain

[queen gazelle]

It is like 10 people

Who chat here that answer every question

[sudden quarry]

SHRIMP THEORY???? must look into this

[lone beacon]

it's actually really clampicated

[safe gale]

i thought its pretty shrimple

[north obsidian]

is there any chance to get a clear image of this tag in r8b3 i know whos is it i dont know if its my low graphics that makes some of the details unreadable

[royal crow]

I know theres a clear pic in this chat

Let me try to find it

@north obsidian

[north obsidian]

ty

how does the name tag confirm that it is klas what connection does it make

[eternal talon]

has anybody ever tried scanning that QR code?

[north obsidian]

that does not look like a standard cr code

il try and scan it

[eternal talon]

@north obsidian read through this ancient convo

that image just posted is 100% the clearest i've ever seen of it, and i've fucking no-clipped into it to get pics

that convo looks to be from when r8 came out actually... during the speedrun to get the logs...

to the best of my knowledge, given the ID that was posted and what schaeffer says directly before we enter this zone, I'm fairly certain its meant to belong to klas.

[eternal talon]

The Warden thinks it's safe, running its tests, poking and prodding at things, playing its games, using us as pawns. But the Warden has a blind spot. Possibilities it can't anticipate. It doesn't see everything. What if the game isn't a game? What if we make the rules? Then we have control. Henriksson! Oh... What's done is done. Start the test, prisoners.

and the nametag has schaeffer's SIGNATURE bloody pipe next to it

^

[north obsidian]

yeah i get all of that i was just wondering if there was any connection to the tag being klas like some sort of id or something i tried to match some of the numbers to the r2b2 log aswell, but didnt get anything

like the implication of him killing klas is very obvious but still

i cannot scan the qr code

[eternal talon]

unfortunate

[worn rivet]

So I dont know there actual name but is there any lore reason why there is invisible/ shadowy enemy's

[eternal talon]

no

[worn rivet]

Okay so theres no lore reason for them may I ask do you know what the name for them is

Cause I kinda wanna know if they even have one

[queen gazelle]

Shadows they are generally referred as and they are called that in code as well

[worn rivet]

Oh okay thanks guess that would make sense namewise

[lone beacon]

is it not from the Matter Wave Projector? (like the Chargers)

[eternal talon]

also no

its just shadows

[eternal talon]

wdym "like the chargers"

[lone beacon]

the weird crystals that are usually seen with chargers are from Destination, aren't they?

I thought that's what they're fused with and why they look the way they do

[eternal talon]

are you talking about the floaters?

[lone beacon]

no

[eternal talon]

???

[lone beacon]

those crystals you see on R6B1, R7E1 and R8B2

[eternal talon]

chargers aren't infused with anything? its chitin, natural armor

[lone beacon]

nvm then

[eternal talon]

looks vastly different to the crystals

[lone beacon]

I meant chargers, not floaters

[eternal talon]

but no, there are zero logs about the shadows

[eternal talon]

i know, i'm pointing out the differences with images so you can physically see

[lone beacon]

them appearing on R7E1 in that section just made me think that I guess

[cunning light]

They are more related to the pulsating mass barring the way in the R7E1 dimension

[lone beacon]

yeah that too

[cunning light]

Same as the one appearing on the roof on the levels they are usually introduced

[eternal talon]

i'm not arguing that segment isn't wierd, its weird that there are that many humanoid sleepers on destination at all

[lone beacon]

then again there's also normal sleepers and nightmares that appear on R8B2's Destination section

[cunning light]

They could have been "displaced" here by the same collapsing event as the one we trigger

[eternal talon]

i mean we kill hundreds on the staircase of death alone, and i'm pretty sure that'd be like... every man woman and child on the entire planet that was sent there during expeditions

far too many to be reasonable

[eternal talon]

i suppose that'd also be a good way of looking at it

[lone beacon]

but yeah I wanted to bring that up too

[cunning light]

I have a feeling that the next answer will be "we have no f'in idea"

But go ahead

[eternal talon]

you have to remember that destination's worldline is 85x faster than our own.

one hour on earth is over 3 days on destination

it's had sooo much time to fester

[worn rivet]

I'm sorry for intersection what the hell is the staircase of death

[cunning light]

"Chargers get sleepy too"

[lone beacon]

what even are the fleshy masses that we see?

[eternal talon]

the final segment of r6cx/dx

[lone beacon]

are they like an accumulation of infected beings?

[cunning light]

Yup, called it. "We have no f'in idea"

[eternal talon]

its literally charger gunk, but vertical instead of horizontal

they've been forming that shit on earth too

[lone beacon]

bruh

[worn rivet]

Thanks for awnsering that

[eternal talon]

as for what charger gunk is, we have no idea. the sleepers can pass through it, but we can't.

[cunning light]

At least there is nothing at all in the logs explaining it, or even a record of a scientist discovering those

[eternal talon]

it could be a defense mechanism, as they've covered many of the pits to the inner with it

[cunning light]

A couple logs could have mentioned them at least

Along with maybe some "experiments"

[eternal talon]

this is the only time we've seen it above us, but it can be seen in the drop zone on many expeditions below where we dropped

[lone beacon]

I'm kinda thinking of the Flood from Halo where they accumulate a bunch of biomass to form a Gravemind (a central intelligence), might be similar to that

[cunning light]

"Jimmy tried to go through the membrane. We still have no news of Jimmy so far"

[eternal talon]

its like a fleshy shield that only they can pass through

[eternal talon]

(not including zones where it is just on the ceiling without a hole to the vessel below)

[north obsidian]

is there any lore reason why glow sticks glow a different color in alt and original

[lone beacon]

they're filled with [redacted]

[north obsidian]

ok

[tranquil sentinel]

doesnt green glow brighter than yellow or something

also no

[raw terrace]

kinda yes but idk if it's followed in r8

[eternal talon]

not that I know. imo its just another way to tell the difference between OG and ALT://.

back before alt:// we also had red and orange glowsticks!

[raw terrace]

it's cuz it's an alternate universe so they glow a different color

piss yellow

[eternal talon]

RIP red glowsticks

[lone beacon]

Archive lets you use them again :)

they're still in the game files, just unused

[eternal talon]

oh i know, they're labeled "Glowstick_Christmas" or something along those lines -- I used them in PT

[plush nest]

Isn’t there one about an employer thinking they are going insane? But they are really just seeing them?

[eternal talon]

The creature was not human.
Also, it teleported, not went invisible

[still ether]

it was a wizard

[eternal talon]

It "looked like two humans stitched together"

[still ether]

must've been a witch then

or very unlikely, a witchzard

[safe gale]

like a witch wizard?

[still ether]

yeah

[safe gale]

sooo a wizard that brews stuff on a pot?

[still ether]

2 things stitched together

[safe gale]

o i see where that came from

[still ether]

wizards can brew whatever they want, that's not just a witch thing

[safe gale]

yeye

[coral gorge]

wizard lore?

[safe gale]

wiz 101

[north obsidian]

whats the story behind the r7b3 vault room

[next panther]

YOOOOOO WIZ MENTION

[safe gale]

:3

[next panther]

no one is a wizhead in this server 😔

[safe gale]

am not smort enough to be a wizhead

[next panther]

i just want someone to talk about wiz to

[safe gale]

you can talk with me about things i dont understand and try to make me understand :3

[eternal talon]

I was more of a wowhead

[safe gale]

i played more niche stuff, albeit i wish i was more into these games so i feel like i was a "cool kid"

i'd totally be more into playing them back then

[next panther]

ive been a wizhead for half my life 😌

[safe gale]

so kewl

[eternal talon]

WoW was practically a full time job back then, even moreso than it is now. I haven't played it since the BFA expansion years ago. Took too much time to keep up with everything

[safe gale]

i used to take some grindy games as jobs as well, sometimes

[eternal talon]

The only blizzard game I play nowadays is hearthstone, and even that not-so-much

[safe gale]

i got sidetracked by other games that i dont play sc2 often anymrore

[eternal talon]

Also, if I got a nickel for every time a gtfo-lore addict had a clone with an only slightly different name that frequented the other channels I'd have two nickels, which isn't a lot, but it's weird that there are now two.
@coral gorge

[safe gale]

there are many frosties here

and cats

[eternal talon]

But only two that are active

[safe gale]

shrug

dak revived cubix it seems cuz i only see him around now that he mentioned him to me

so now we have 2 cubes

[eternal talon]

Idk, I've been here too long to judge the individual lengths users are active

[next panther]

I have a feeling I know who this is

[eternal talon]

I know I've seen dak and cho in here occasionally though

[lone beacon]

if I got a nickel for every simon alt, I'd have uhhhhhh

[next panther]

rich

[safe gale]

buy a tortilla

[lone beacon]

I prefer burritos

[safe gale]

sure

i might go back to making late night instant noodles

[eternal talon]

Buy the ingredients to make sourdough bread

[lone beacon]

I don't think I've ever had sourdough bread

I'm guessing it tastes sour

[eternal talon]

Ehhh it depends.

Usually you use sourdough as a piece of something else, not by itself

[safe gale]

iam not in mood to cook this week, or cook late at night

[eternal talon]

We aren't 16th century peasants, and in that case, personally I feel fresh-out-the-oven artisan bread is far superior.

[safe gale]

i'd love to bake stuff whenever am in mood however

[lone beacon]

I'm a peasant

give me any kind of bread and I will chow down on it

[eternal talon]

Get a breadmaker for dirt cheap and let it run?

[safe gale]

make ratatouille

[eternal talon]

I still have the breadmaker I bought on my 16th birthday. That fucker will never break

It's a brick

[lone beacon]

nah I don't have 150m $

[eternal talon]

I think they meant the food, not the film. I don't think film reels would be very tasty...

[lone beacon]

you don't know until you try

[safe gale]

you should be rich enough to make the food

[lone beacon]

I mean I'm not a big fan of tomatoes but I could give it a try

[safe gale]

tomatoes goes hard in very specific recipes for me

[coral gorge]

Dak is a necromancer, you should know that

[safe gale]

nyacromancy

[coral gorge]

also its called not using discord 24/7, you fucking addict

=)

[safe gale]

i mean you dont need to use discord all the time to be active in a server like gtfo server

i was just sayin you didnt seem to be around until you got necromancy'd

[coral gorge]

Yeah i know

i had a break from GTFO for a while

[safe gale]

i am not playing gtfo atm either

[coral gorge]

and overall from being active on servers

[safe gale]

chaos is also on csgo sometimes so he got something to do while am away

[eternal talon]

Playing gtfo?
who does that?

[lone beacon]

I don't play it, I suck at it

[safe gale]

people who dont yap about the game all the time

i yap about the game all the time

[worn rivet]

I'm just asking cause I was listening I think one of the logs , it said the virus has like a three pronged attack thingy, would anyone be able to awnser what those are

Cause the virus really interests me it's just hard to find information on it and how it both attacks and operates

[eternal talon]

this one?

**Through my experiments, I have discovered the virus has a multipronged attack strategy, which not only increases the R0, but also allows it to be highly contagious in multiple environments. Infected individual can release create pathogens and fomites through any bodily fluid. The virus has been observed in fluids extracted from anywhere on the patient - sweat, blood, saliva, bile, urine, even in the aqueous and vitreous humors. The virus can also survive for several weeks while airborne or on surfaces. In my control tests, subjects exposed to locations that had been contaminated up to 4 weeks prior to exposure still contracted the virus. This was also true of subjects immersed in various solutions (I tried fresh water, salt water, and several synthetic oils and polymers). 85% of the subjects contracted the virus within a few hours. The remaining 15% who survived other exposure methods contracted the virus when exposed to a vaporous environment heavily dosed with infected fomites.

The parasite that we had previously attributed as the primary carrier of the virus is, in my opinion, merely another victim of this remarkable lifeform. The only difference is the virus does not mutate the parasites, rather it prolongs the life cycle of the parasite indefinitely. The relationship is symbiotic. The parasite carries the virus to new hosts, and the virus helps the parasite live for an extended (and currently unknown) period. Perhaps indefinitely.

The virus is remarkable. It appears to have been perfectly designed to infect regardless of the circumstance. When it finds a host, it induces coughing, sweating, sneezing, and ultimately violent attacks to draw blood and saliva. Without a host, it can transfer itself through any medium. The only test I have not been able to perform yet is in a vacuum, but I am planning such experiments next week as soon as I receive new subjects from Mr. Piros.

Research continues.

Dr Abeo Dauda A153**

[worn rivet]

Oh that was the one may I just ask which rundown was this in again cause I cant rember

[eternal talon]

i'm not too familiar with the term, but i've DM'd the biologist to come and give an assist.

[worn rivet]

Also I like how it's written by dauda aka the sorry for the long message psychpharma coligst

Yes I do rember his full title

[eternal talon]

rundown 7e1. the wiki team removed it from the rundown 7 list of logs and put it in the r8 one because apparently it appears again in r8...

yeah, i dont get why they did that either. just makes it annoying to find it

[worn rivet]

Yeah it does it reappears during I think one of alt rundown squads mission dont know why

Or which one

[eternal talon]

i meant moreso i don't know why they removed it from the rundown 7 section of the wiki

[worn rivet]

Huh also can I put one of my theories i have on one of the creatures in here

[eternal talon]

go for it, i'll comment on its likelyness if i have anything to say

[worn rivet]

It works of one of logs and the things design

[eternal talon]

we do have a full list of symptoms, how it attacks, like, almost everything. it'd just take me a bit to assemble the info...

on first contact with modern humans:

• Was asymptomatic.

2+ weeks contact with modern humans:

• "Flu-Like symptoms"

From this, it is evident that the virus had to adapt to us before it was capable of unleashing everything it had.

[royal crow]

i smell lore

[worn rivet]

So I'm going to call them for this mothers aka the enemy that spawns small ones cause it plays into what the theories about, I think mothers are pregnant women who's child gets infected but not them and they try to cut them out and die and then the virus does what the virus does and turns them into mothers. Also this theory was inspired by one of the i think audio logs in r8 where a women is asking them to cut something out of them so yeah

If this is confirmed or something uh I didnt know about that

[eternal talon]

apparently the first symptoms are "Psychological disturbances, malaise, lethargy, and exhaustion" It is inclear if the latter three are directly related to NAM-V infection, or if it is due to a combination of the infection and the environment the men were working in.

[worn rivet]

Huh would make sense cause of them going slowly insane cause of the virus killing their friends and relatives

[eternal talon]

from mericopa forward, symptoms are listed by the Health Dept as follows:

**If you or anyone you know exhibits several of these symptoms, it is recommended you contact your health care provider immediately:

Whitening of the skin
Inflammation of the cheeks, neck lips and extremities (fingers, toes)
Spinal pain or shocks
Susceptibility to bruising or broken bones
Accelerated breathing/panting
Blood in the sputum

Treatment for the virus is unknown, although a detailed report is expected from state government in the next few days.

Until then, the Register advises you [stay] indoors, stock that fridge, and start streaming.**

[worn rivet]

also so I can out this down what are mothers aka the enemy that spawns small enemy's actual name

[eternal talon]

from june 14th, 2054:

**From our analysis, the pooled mean incubation period of NAM-V was 18.0 days (62% confidence interval [CI] 16.8–19.7) globally. The incubation period varied with age (P = 0.03). However, the incubation appears to be affected by a "stall" in 46% of cases. The "stall" can last anywhere from 18 days to up to 12 months, with some patients still carrying the virus without symptoms. Patients who experienced a longer incubation period were statistically more likely to show signs of cellular mutation, though the cause of this is still unknown.

Conclusions
The incubation of NAM-V cannot be reliably quoted, and the causes of the "stall" behavior are not yet fully understood. Patients who test positive for NAM-V may not exhibit symptoms for an unknown period of time up to 12 months. The need for constant, repeated testing is required to limit the continued spread of the virus.**

[worn rivet]

Okay so this kinda would be able to work into my mothers are pregnant women who's child gets infected theories cause the mother was infected and when the child was growing it would also be getting slowly infected or something like that

[eternal talon]

it would appear that even though the virus can spread through literally any method except the vaccum of space (where there is nothing), and can survive on surfaces for weeks, it prefers to use the parasite and infected hosts to transmit itself.

We have also discovered that the extent of viral mutation within the parasites is unusually high. Each infected parasite carries it's own mutation of the virus, which means that any host with multiple parasites will allow the mutated viruses to gene shuffle and create new strains. Many of the new strains lead to mutations of the host to varying degrees, resulting in the physical deformities we see in some hosts. This is almost certainly the cause of at least some of the abominations that have been uncovered as excavations towards the Inner continue.

--

**The relationship is certainly symbiotic. The virus triggers life-prolonging chemical production in the parasite, and the parasite provides a suspendable organic structure for the virus. The parasite transmits the virus to new hosts, and in turn the virus alters the behavior of the host to accept the presence of the parasite and inhibit the desire to remove it.

With so many mutations of NAM-V being created with each new host, there are potentially millions of strains of NAM-V that no longer require a parasite to transmit. This explains why Dr. Dauda's research shows such resilience in the virus. It evolves everywhere, in every way. This virus is an omnipotent force of nature.

--

The only method we have found of killing the virus is by stopping the biological functions of the host through hydrostasis (or death). Fortunately, the parasites have not yet found a way into the HSUs. However, after hydrostasis reinfection is possible. We continue to improve our sterilization and prophylaxis methods, but we are fighting a losing battle. I see no future for us if we do not seek the origin of these lifeforms and find an immune genome. If we are to survive NAM-V, we must turn to the nature that created it. Evolution has had millions of years to fight the virus. We have months.

below is another list of symptoms

If a member of your household displays any symptoms of the NAM-V virus, isolate the person immediately, and call the Viral Response Service by dialing 211 from any telephone. Symptoms include hemoptysis, muscular spasms, frothing at the mouth, deformation of the spine, violent behavior, extreme lethargy or drowsiness, depression, and vomiting. Anyone exposed to a confirmed NAM-V case should remain in isolation until the Viral Response Service has been notified. This guidance has been issued by the United States federal government for your protection.

[worn rivet]

Huh these are really interesting logs do we know if these were written by like dauda or were these written by an unknown cause they read like how dauda write in one of the other logs also is the only way to not get is to die essentially

Because it seems like no matter what your just going to get infecte

[eternal talon]

again, this is like dragging together a dozen logs, the wiki page would probably be betterr in this regard, as at least most of it is linking to the logs you want.
https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/NAM-V

[worn rivet]

Thank you I will have a look into that now

[eternal talon]

not neccessarily. while we do not have direct sources about mothers, the models themselves are comprised of two individual humans, fused together.

our best interpretation is that the parasite is using the host's natural reproductive systems to replenish its numbers.

(as an alternative to the cloning that is the ceiling respawn sacks)

[worn rivet]

I'm just putting this here another head cannon could the shadow ones be the hallucinations mentioned atall

[eternal talon]

the virus can't turn entities into sleepers, only the parasite + the virus can. by itself, the virus can only kill.

[eternal talon]

an abomination. they don't have an official name and aren't mentioned in logs afik.

[worn rivet]

Okay all I'm going to say to this is what the hell was that audio log with the women about then

[eternal talon]

i think two of them are, maybe more. Dauda was in charge of human/sleeper experimentation in Garganta as a means of attempting to find a cure. The rest and majority of the logs, though, is from CDC/WHO/local or govenment media and health agencies outiside garganta.

[eternal talon]

pretty much. NAM-V is a deus ex machina. the collectors, dyson-sphere level aliens that travel the multiverse, -- of every universe they've visited that had the virus, the virus had consumed everything

this is confirmed by them, the collectors themselves, talking to schaeffer, through the conduit.
the Collection cannot be completed. The virus is the primary life force of membranes in which it exists. All will become impure. In this membrane, and all we have traveled.

[eternal talon]

we don't have any information whatsoever about the shadows.

[worn rivet]

Doesn't this imply that they can survive the vacuum of fucking space and can go to any planets

Cause if it's totally obliterated then how did they could not find any planets that's inhabited

[eternal talon]

i know the log in question, i just can't find it at the moment, i'm fairly certain it is referring to the parasite, and not the virus, given what the woman says. I will look into it later

[eternal talon]

the virus? no.
it can only survive on surfaces for two weeks.

it depends on the parasite and an infected host to become effectively immortal

[worn rivet]

Thanks if you do send me an @ cause I want to know what the hell is this thing