gtfo-lore

[raw terrace]

shes dead

[eternal talon]

The intercom. Who played it is a bigger question now that they've put it in log files there.

Well, maybe not

Given in og the log files weren't there

They were being played by someone far away

I forgot how alt// worked for a second, as a separate worldline

[coral gorge]

holy shit lore is alive?

[royal crow]

No

Stfu

[prime horizon]

dude I wish if we would get more lore, it would be so cool

[coral gorge]

dont we all do?
Game has left us with so many questions, so many plotholes

[prime horizon]

Yes, it is so true. I mean, I would be happy if they would drop just a book, not an update for a game

Can you imagine, lab notes about aliens?

[coral gorge]

Tbh that would be cool

[prime horizon]

That slowly turns into today's lore?

I would buy it, right now, no matter how much money it will cost

[coral gorge]

200 swedish men is the price

you cant pay it cause sweden doesnt actually exist

it was all a lie

[prime horizon]

200$ for a book , a buck per man, 1000 copies, and they have a new money for a new game, lol

[prime horizon]

You don't want lore to be alive ones more?

[coral gorge]

Yeah he’s the fun police

(last time we played gtfo together his game killed itself)

[prime horizon]

fair, no fun = no game lol

[plush nest]

can i use better bots when getting these logs and it still count or no?

[raw terrace]

why would u say this to me

what do you bring to my house

play with real bots like a real person with morals

[plush nest]

no

[raw terrace]

[yes]

[plush nest]

i have no morals

[raw terrace]

smh

[plush nest]

[cool thank you, have a good day]

[royal crow]

@lilac island

We have a lore document for dummies in the pin messages

Check it

It has basic information about the game

[raw terrace]

why do u ping them here

when we answered

[royal crow]

Some people cant see the channels unless they chose it or get pinged

Dummy

[raw terrace]

thats like the lfg i dont think this server asks for that but idk

at least i dont remember it doing it

[royal crow]

Idk which ones are by default and which ones arent
But if he asked in #gtfo-related-questions and not here then

🤷

[eternal talon]

It's not pinned anymore. Gotta dig for it. Search function the 📌 emoticon and you should find it.

[royal crow]

Why not

Which joker thought it was a good idea

[eternal talon]

The graph that was attatched to it was outdated.

[coral gorge]

Yeah we need to bully the mods/admins into pinning it all again

[eternal talon]

i was working on a PDF replacement, but never finished it.

[regal olive]

where do sleepers gain their energy

all that biomass needs something to keep it alive

is there some kinda thermal vent somewhere down low that it uses or

the hole is pretty cold, they'd eventually freeze

[nimble saddle]

I think there was a reason but I don't remember

[regal olive]

parasite makes them immortal but they're still creatures

they lose heat to the environment

eventually they'll run out of energy and stop functioning

[nimble saddle]

I mean they are asleep so maybe that keeps them alive? Wait no that wouldn't work

[nimble saddle]

Yeah you're right

[safe gale]

they can hibernate for millions of years iirc so

[nimble saddle]

They just mutate and go to hibernate

[safe gale]

[regal olive]

heat trasfer equation would disagree

[eternal talon]

Floaters have been flying for 5 billion years. They didn't hibernate. It's a question without an answer.

(As far as we know) destination has no non-infected life left on it they could be feeding on, either.

[regal olive]

Floaters have access to a star's sunshine

That's usable energy and

Well there's nothing like that in the complex

[coral gorge]

Listen just assume the sleepers can eat rocks or some shit

also correct me if im wrong but im p sure floaters dont really seem to have any part that would actually turn sunlight into energy

[queen gazelle]

Sleepers could also be feeding off a dimensional collapse. Surely compressing the time lines in to one produces and excess of energy

[novel reef]

you know i think the scout is misunderstood. id freak out if someone touched my tentacles unconsentually as well

[limber blaze]

You know how when we kill these things they kinda...vanish? Melt away? That biomass could be moving, propagating elsewhere, feeding what's left. If they're sleeping constantly, only becoming minimally active when a change occurs in the environment to sense what's going on, and only truly active when chasing, then that seemingly minimalistic amount of nutrients could keep a bunch of them fed for months, years even, especially considering that a lot of prisoners fall victim as well as their own

The fibers from the clothing could be a nutrient source, even

[eternal talon]

two comments:

1. the floaters on Destination

2. not all of the sleepers disintigrate. Only specific subspecies.
   The fact that their corpses do not dematerialize may indicate that these specimens are a different variant from the others, or that the physiology of the "Gallus" genus is eclectic depending on the environment in which they develop.

**## Next month
#todo

Entry: Gallus {genus}

Poss. intro? fix end bit
/quote
There are cross-species behavioral distinctions that separate all species within the genus. The dark-skinned variants tend to be more active hunters, suggesting the darker pigmentation is a product of natural selection. They are harder to see and therefore more successful predators. The light skinned breed are still vicious and will attack at the slightest provocation, but they do not seek the prey as actively, they are more disposed to sedentary, almost somnific, behavior. They wait, and strike when roused.
/quote

Entry: Gallus Reptus

Paragraph on:

• Reptus show little signs of intelligence beyond their predatory instincts. Clarify the intraspecific devolution theory?
• possibility of structured hierarchy among the pack, and the role of Reptus in that hierarchy
• possibility that Reptus are a post-metamorphic stage of Jaculus? Note no confirmed sightings of Jaculus in a pupal state.
• NEED DNA SAMPLE

Entry: Gallus Jaculus

• more intelligent than Reptus, or given a more strategic role in the hive?
• what are the implications of emergent intelligence.
• potential human connection/influence. Mimicry or symbiont relationship with parasite?
• remove that woman from the team

Entry: Gallus Capreolatus

Name options:

• Capreolatus
• Cirrhus
• Pampinarii
• Clavicula
  Discuss tendril hypotheses :
• diphyllobothrium latum mimicry?
• siphonophore/zooids theory
• NEED DNA SAMPLE

Gallus Horridus

• advanced predation techniques
• purpose of keratinous growths unclear. does it charge under threat?
• NEED DNA SAM

[file ends]**

[limber blaze]

tbf i started playing last night and only for a couple hours lol

[eternal talon]

that's fine. I'm just here to give info, I reply to everybody the same.

[limber blaze]

i appreciate<3

[lilac island]

Do you guys think we brought the virus into the new dimension

[raw terrace]

probs

[lone beacon]

yes probably

[eternal talon]

imo? far more than likely, but ultimately unless 10cc make a sequel we cannot know for sure.

personally, I think us bringing the virus with us to the only clean worldline ever discovered is a bit of poetic tragedy, that this is no happy ending

[lone beacon]

I mean what Schaeffer said would ironically be true even though he lied

[ashen sphinx]

Personally, I think that R8E2 doesn't have infection nor spitters, and that if the devs wanted to make such an ending they'd perhaps have made it more obvious.

[eternal talon]

infection + spitters =/= NAM-V

the syringes (which also grant infection) were shipped in from outside garganta.

**Carlos,

Just wanted to let you know that the wares arrived today. Everything is in order.

Current Inventory control:

Zone 2: Foam test Lab 14 foam grenades 38 foam mines

Zone 3: Explosives test Lab 48 Tripmines

Zone 4: Medical Lab, 52 I2-LP Syringes 29 IIx drug Syrin=/xrg**

[honest summit]

If infection is Not Nam V, then does it mean that it being AIDS is now Cannon?

[eternal talon]

we don't know what the infection mechanic is. I'm currently looking for the log mentioning the symptoms of it pre-outbreak, but ultimately this was a settled topic a few rundowns ago

in addition...

1. sleepers biting you would infect you with nam-v
   The virus has been observed in fluids extracted from anywhere on the patient - sweat, blood, saliva, bile, urine, even in the aqueous and vitreous humors.

2. loading into a level would infect you with nam-v
   The virus can also survive for several weeks while airborne or on surfaces. In my control tests, subjects exposed to locations that had been contaminated up to 4 weeks prior to exposure still contracted the virus. This was also true of subjects immersed in various solutions (I tried fresh water, salt water, and several synthetic oils and polymers). 85% of the subjects contracted the virus within a few hours. The remaining 15% who survived other exposure methods contracted the virus when exposed to a vaporous environment heavily dosed with infected fomites.

thus, given sleeper damage doesn't give you the infection mechanic, infection isn't nam-v.

making it to Durant's planet in r8e2 would require a hitless run (if uninfected)

[honest summit]

Arent every single using only physical attacks? Tonguess cracking Like a whip and punches...punching you

[eternal talon]

and immediate quarantine for over a month... given your clothes and gear... yeah...

[eternal talon]

the tongues are full of teeth.

rows and rows of them. unfortunatley i don't have a pic, but i know one was posted last time this was discussed.

i could go try and hunt it down if you'd like.

[honest summit]

I remember, but the teeth are inside of it. From the outside they appeared to be smooth tho

[eternal talon]

that, i have a picture of.

regardless, this is only one issue in the clusterfuck of transmission vectors

Without a host, it can transfer itself through any medium. The only test I have not been able to perform yet is in a vacuum, but I am planning such experiments next week as soon as I receive new subjects from Mr. Piros.

When it finds a host, it induces coughing, sweating, sneezing, and ultimately violent attacks to draw blood and saliva.

[safe gale]

orphan of kos

[honest summit]

Found a pictur

I guess they do "bite" you, but it it weird that it whips you aswell

[eternal talon]

i mean, its more force. probably necessary in the end, given some of the armor we are wearing.

(one of the defaults is a literal plate carrier)

[coral gorge]

frosty you are forgetting one thing

[eternal talon]

i forget which pc has it

[coral gorge]

the squad just needs to not get hit

[eternal talon]

or not touch the ground or any other surface

[coral gorge]

hardest level in the game, hitless its so ez

[eternal talon]

just levitate to the extraction point. ez

[coral gorge]

if you cant do it sounds like a skill issue ngl

[eternal talon]

The parasite transmits the virus to new hosts, and in turn the virus alters the behavior of the host to accept the presence of the parasite and inhibit the desire to remove it. (if there was any doubt about the tongues spreading nam-v)

its a deliberate action

(also, if anybody asks in a bit while i'm not here, However, after hydrostasis reinfection is possible.)

[inaudible] there is no naturally occuring immunity from nam vee due [inaudible]

[eternal talon]

**
I’ve increased the duration of the IIx drug effect – fast-twitch muscle power has increased by another 8 seconds. As suggested, it will come in handy for if the pneumatic tools can't be used for whatever reason. A miner can take a hit of the FTF booster syringe and smash the rock with a sledgehammer.

I am concerned with the desire to make the boost last longer. There are side effects that become more prevalent when the duration of the effect is extended. I'll keep researching, but don't expect miracles. Just tell the miners to manage their doses well.

The side effects noted with the Injury Infection Liquid Pharmacon (I2-LP), are seemingly random and I haven’t yet found a way to resolve the issue. I’ll keep working on it.**

Sep 30th, 2052.

[plush nest]

I was gonna say we could just stay on the mountain in the end of e2 cause I don’t think it can infect trees but there are bugs likely which could be I think

[eternal talon]

depends. a massive chunk of KDS's vault is warped with us.

Doesn't help Kovac were storing infected peoples in HSUs. Who knows, some of these HSUs could be storing somebody ready to start the next outbreak.

These HSUs are all F/Infected classification so I guess it wouldn't be the end of the world if we lost the meat, but the freezers may come in handy someday - or at least we may end up needing them as Deep backups or organ donations etc.

oh look at that, another contradictory log.

Bare minimum of contact with any other staff. Full protective gear outside of our quarters. Regular hydrostasis immersion - which definitely helps, regardless of what the official stance may be.

The only method we have found of killing the virus is by stopping the biological functions of the host through hydrostasis (or death). Fortunately, the parasites have not yet found a way into the HSUs. However, after hydrostasis reinfection is possible.

[safe gale]

so assuming the prisoners are infected, can we put them in hydrostasis 1 more time then they will be clean themself?

[eternal talon]

i suppose it depends on the time spent within hydrostasis, but even then... ** However, after hydrostasis reinfection is possible.**

also in doing so, we'd be spreading the infection to the outside of the unit

so if we are in there less than 4-5 weeks, we will just insta-infect again

not to mention, we'd need a way to power it

the warp didn't take the nuclear reactor powering DEEP with us

[safe gale]

smol question, what makes the clean dimension clean? is it because we never unearthed the meteor and built garganta?

[eternal talon]

it isn't an earth worldline, so wherever durant went was a completely different planet. in addition, he left before the virus truly broke free in garganta

it is clean because he left right before SHTF

the other worlds visited either already had it, or nam-v got to it through insight's expeditions

[safe gale]

i see

[coral gorge]

well i wanna say the pods have atleast somewhat of a build-in generator, so id wanna say we could probably pop open a couple pods, kill their inhabitants and get in and wait long enough to have the virus kill itself both outside and inside the pod

[safe gale]

i like how you say that so casually
just murder

[royal crow]

You don't know the kind of stuff Cubix says casually everyday

[safe gale]

yes, i dont know

[coral gorge]

You infact do not.
Like cmon have you ever had a situation where someone exclaims „Killing, murder and rape!” so loud the entire office hears them?

[safe gale]

no o.o

[coral gorge]

well i have

ill let you guess who was the one saying that

[royal crow]

Cubix then got promoted to head chief after that

Truly one of the moments of all time

[safe gale]

[cold sphinx]

Silksong told u this

[north obsidian]

who is the conduit and the collectors

[royal crow]

the collectors were a alien species, they crashed into earth and wiped out the dinnosaours and they were the reason on why NAM-V is on earth, they also carried the MWP

and the conduit are the "mimics" the warden uses to talk to people

[north obsidian]

are they related to the neonates we see in r2e1 r3 and r7?

[royal crow]

yes

the neonates are the conduits

[north obsidian]

what about that one guy in r6cx

at the end

[royal crow]

which one guy

[north obsidian]

like unit 22 or specimen 27

[loud urchin]

spindly grey man

[north obsidian]

i think thats what its called in the alt rundown

[royal crow]

ah

[north obsidian]

the dead corpse you find

[royal crow]

thats the coundit/mimic

one of them

[north obsidian]

are krakens related to the collectors?

because i refuse to believe that they are mutated from a human

[royal crow]

we dont know
we do know the kraken and fliers are aliens

or were aliens before they got NAM-Ved

[north obsidian]

i know that in r6cx at least in the original schaeffur kills the conduit but how does he die in r6cx in the alternative version?

[royal crow]

idk

its just dead

[north obsidian]

ok

[royal crow]

im pretty sure theres a log somewhere

[lilac island]

I mean, a child kraken has the face of a human like face

The only you see in, iirc R8B2

When you fight them, its face is very similar to a human one

Either, a kraken is an amalgamate of humans in alpha-1 or more likely, its humans that started out as the main host than consumed biomass or grew bio mass

Knowing that there ATLEAST 9~ krakens

Id say it’s probably a human host, eats biomass, becomes a kraken

Flyers are deffo not human tho

They probably come FROM the kraken as like a defense mechanism

Or just babies ig

Most enemies we fight in gtfo are only consisted of 1 person

Mothers, tanks, p mothers, are all one human, that were left to grow, or maybe special people with specific genetic traits

I could ramble more about enemies

[royal crow]

do it

[lilac island]

Ok

So

You know how there aren’t any female variations of shadows right?

But shadows use the female animations and giant giants act like chargers

Knowing that hybrids are female

It’s possible that shadows aren’t actually male

But female

They evolved past being shooters as their thorns? Or pellets? Would be visible inside them

So instead

They became invisible at the cost of shooting

[loud urchin]

shadow scout sends its regards

[lilac island]

Prime example

Its literally a fat striker

But no male enemies have have tentacles

(NM strikers dont count since they are dead bodies that were recycled by the virus)

[loud urchin]

and snatcher?

[lilac island]

Snatcher’s tentacles aren’t tentacles, they are thicker, almost like organs

It is literally their body

So basically its just their organs being repurposed unto a trap

[bright sphinx]

Metal as hell

Guys since I have no friends Im going to try and beat gtfo solo

Oh wrong chat shit

[lilac island]

And also the snatcher isnt specifically male, though technically its implied

[bright sphinx]

Does it have a penis

[lilac island]

Wha

Anyways

Onto chargers

I think the only case of a “male” scout would be charger scouts

But even then

It might just be a fat shooter that under went the charger mutation

I’ve noticed, most levels you see chargers in are damp / caves

This is a stretch but it’s possible that the chargers deployed “spikes” kinda like stalagmites

Knowing that respawn rooms have “cocoons”, its not a far cry to say that, not all sleepers are human

Some sleepers are just biomass

Made to look human or genetically close to one

And alsp

Mothers aren’t the mutation step after scouts / big shooters

It would be more like

shooter<scout<big shooter<hybrid

And for mothers it would be more like
infected<???<mother<pmother<mmother

For tanks too

Since they aren’t close to any sleeper type

maybe a charger

But like

Thats a stretch

Most miniboss type enemies are probably single mutations.

Now that im done with a quick over view of 2 special enemies, lets move on to NMs!

Nightmare are interesting, since they are bodies and not living beings

Night babies are a failed sleeper if you look under the tentacles with freecam btw

And Nm giant is literally just an amalgamation of DBs

So its a fair guess to say that either

Nightmare are dead bodies from the start then evolve
nmbabies<striker/shooter<nmshooter

or nightmares are just a collection of dbs

Since the tentacles can be just the parasite grown to absurd lengths

Id say the latter is more likely

(Only scouts, and NMs have an abundance of tentacles

Its also possible that the “tongue” is actually the parasite and its being used as a vector

(It attacks you and inserts eggs into your body through the hit)

Strange how the spine is the weakest of the bones in gtfo… almost like the parasite replaced the spine…

But then again why does the occiput do the most dmg

My best guess, normal sleepers have one parasite in them (their tongue), bosses have a special variant of the parasite, NMs and scouts have multiple parasites in them and krakens are just जकवजबडवसगज

@royal crow reading time

[royal crow]

[honest summit]

I would say that every Miniboss enemy were very likely a resault of Hammersteins (or whatever His/her Name was). In some of the Missions we are being sent to retrieve the HDDs with Info about The Research of Pmoms, so they did existed before gargantas Fall, yet Warden does not know much about them

But personally i am interested to know why are they compelled to sudden nudity. Sure If they are Just a Biomasse replicants it would make sense, but there are a Lot of clotbese scattered on the ground

[bright sphinx]

Maybe it gets too hot

[coral gorge]

*it sure gets too hot when all the sleepers get naked 😏 *

[bright sphinx]

Can we send this guy to the femur breaker

[lilac island]

Probably out grew them

Since normal sleepers are bloated

(Their organs are literally falling out of their body)

[lone beacon]

that and they sense things by pulsing (echo location?), they'd probably rip off the clothes regardless because otherwise they can't sense anything

[lilac island]

Take off your clothes. There is no meme here.

[royal crow]

wha the fuck

[prime horizon]

As much as Kraken has a human face, for example, we saw one really close at r8e2, I believe that they are not a mutation; they have nothing to do with humans. Instead, they are the aliens. But I agree with your ideas that all minibosses are just a "single" or really rare human-caused mutation

[lilac island]

Know the virus and the parasite work in symbiosis and they can infect almost any living being its possible that the kraken started out as a human host, than consumed other beings, such as aliens of alpha-1

[eternal talon]

personally, it doesn't make much sense to me for it to be some human amalgamation, ala the gravemind from halo.

dozens of them exist on Destination, and though humanity created several outposts on the planet, in no way did they send enough people to make up the sheer biomass required to even begin to form such creatures.

[lilac island]

Krakens when i throw a thermo nuclear weapon

[prime horizon]

That's one of the reasons why I think that Krakens are native to Destination

[lilac island]

At the same time, the virus and parasite “can” create biomass

[eternal talon]

yes and no. the neonates were originally a part of the RISE project, which was a project developed by kovac with the intention of replacing their KSOs (us) as 'acquiring' new subjects to turn into KSOs was a time consuming and expensive endeavor. the Conduit and other subjects, were created by the warden using what research and material was left over from the RISE project after garganta fell and the humans working on the project died.

[lilac island]

The kraken is definitely a mutation from the parasite, its also possible that the kraken was once some sort of “desert worm” and the parasite just reused its genetic material into something of a brood mother or hive

[eternal talon]

it is implied that these subjects are at least partially immune or resistant to sleeperiziation, which the neonates most certainly wouldn't have been.

[lilac island]

Maybe the kraken is like a mobile hive for flyers

Or a breeding ground for them

[eternal talon]

no. IMO, they simply appear to be infected and sleeperized native fauna of destination, appearing most similarly to cuttlefish here on earth (though significantly larger and airborne)

[lilac island]

We only see normal flyers come from krakens, never big ones. So its possible that flyers use the kraken as protective shield, and once they grow they leave. Kinda like the symbiosis of the virus and parasite…

[prime horizon]

No matter what purpose Kraken has in the environment of Destination, I think he is still native for that place, and it's not a mutation of human kind

[lilac island]

Then my best guess would be

Over multiple universes

[lilac island]

The parasite started having so much human DNA added to it, that it started to accidentally make creatures more human like

Since parasite irl actually take pieces of the host’s genetic coding.

[prime horizon]

Oh i didn't know that collectors are not from Destination. Is Destination one of the Just uncovered worlds ? If yes, where collectors are coming from ?

[lilac island]

And humans were definitely the most viable hosts

And the largest group

[eternal talon]

one of the logs in alt://r6 describes a squad of ksos (whom I believe to be us) our squad encountering it in the middle of a sleeper horde. we gun it down, and lose two of our squad in the proccess. you find their bodies in alt://r6cx.

[lilac island]

Im not sure if we know where the collectors come from

But they are basically just trans universal beings that try to stop the spread of the virus / save the inhabitants from infection

[prime horizon]

Hmm, but if they try to did so, why they brought the virus on Earth ?

[lilac island]

They probably also try to collect viral samples to try to create a cure but who knows

[prime horizon]

Man 10 Chamber should release a lore book, haha. To add some new intel to the discussion

[prime horizon]

Sounds fair

[prime horizon]

I described this idea earlier

[royal crow]

They didnt

They CRASHED into earth

[lilac island]

Im not 100% sure if they even brought the virus to earth, it crashed from a meteor. And the WARDEN only started appearing AFTER the infection spread outside of Garganta.

[royal crow]

The meteor was the collectors ship

[lilac island]

Mods send this man to nam-v testing

Idk maybe the warden was eepy

And didnt care until neuron activated

[royal crow]

🤨

What for

[prime horizon]

I forgot about this bit haha

[lilac island]

Technically the warden did appear before the infection spread outside but

It was just testing stuff

Not active as a whole

More like testing its powers and influence over bio-com

[royal crow]

Don't send me into nam-v testing pls😔

[lilac island]

I will

[lilac island]

Later

[eternal talon]

if it does, it's small. never bothered to look

[royal crow]

Taking a screenshot mid error alarm is the most Frostty thing i have seen yet

[lilac island]

“Guys lets infect someone with a virus that has an r-naught of 27 what could go wrong”

We can definitely make a cure

And a parasite that can dig through hazard suits? Not an issue

We need that MONEY

The entire world ending couldve stopped if kovac did a better job at holding the border…? Or is like uhhh im just gonna say border from the site to the surface

[royal crow]

Good luck holding off a multiversal killing virus

[lilac island]

Technically

[royal crow]

It didnt worked for the collectors

Why would it work for us

[lilac island]

This couldve all been avoided

[eternal talon]

it's not. the parasites are explicitly parasitidae. on earth, they are mites, like ticks. the tongues are incredibly enlarged and repurposed tongues, with teeth inside. the teeth cause wounds and the saliva spreads the infection.

[lilac island]

If we didnt need that sweet sweet succulent rocks

[lilac island]

Hmmmmm

[eternal talon]

because the parasite attaches to the base of the spine, and brain stem.

[lilac island]

There are alot more parasites through out the body, and a sleeper can survive without a head. Maybe its got something to do with the neurological control?

[eternal talon]

(sorry for the slow replies tonight, currently eating. just got to today's messages)

[lilac island]

Chances are decapitated sleepers will regenerate lost biomass after enough time so

[lilac island]

It looks more like a throat than a tongue imo

But anyways

The virus causes dead hosts to… liquidate? Meaning its either used as a way to transfer the virus or its a way to storage biomass as a liquid form and move it?

[bright sphinx]

Imm be damned

[lilac island]

I mean the parasite doesnt need to living host to survive. (Nightmare enemies are reused corpses, for example both NM babies and NM giants are only amalgamations of DBs)

[eternal talon]

eh, i have nothing to say on this topic here or there. we ultimately don't know. (shockers are still prolly a natural mutation though)

[lilac island]

and NM enemies are probably just mutilated sleepers

[eternal talon]

i feel like that may have been mentioned in a log somewhere as a side-effect of nam-v or parasite infection, but i could be wrong. don't have that info on hand to say for certainty

[lilac island]

Maybe the parasite can reanimate bodies with the help of the virus?

[lilac island]

The only stated side effects are neurological degeneration, physical deformities, hunch back position and i forgot. I think this is the parasitic infection tho

[eternal talon]

i don't know of its echo location, or radiating heat, or whatever. I don't think we know much of anything as to their senses. they just sense because video game

[lilac island]

The virus is basically just the flu on steroids

[eternal talon]

alright, now to tonight's convo and replies.

[eternal talon]

I will grant you that the mother, pmother, (and likely momboss) are comprised of multiple individuals, tanks are not. I refer to my previous statement on lack of sufficient biomass.

[lilac island]

Its most definitely echo location, they use the sounds of their bodies pulsating to hear movement nearby. And from a lore standpoint, it would make sense my aggroed sleepers sometimes scream at nothing to try to find you

[eternal talon]

i believe you are referring to charger gunk and respawn sacks, yes?

respawn sacks are another method of reproduction (alternative to mothers, cloning instead of standard reproduction)
charger gunk is... unknown. the sleepers can pass through it effortlessly (r7e1) and they also seem to use it to block off areas and some of the tunnels created by the collector ship's weapon.

[lilac island]

By the looks of a mother, it seems like a deformed human female. Maybe not p-mothers and mmoms but you can clearly see the human face in a mom, it might be a human that was surrounded by corpses that the parasite incorporated into itself.

[eternal talon]

https://tenor.com/view/tremors-monster-gif-7273188

a worm wouldn't need eyes.

[lilac island]

True

[eternal talon]

( i mean you can argue flight is a mutation by the parasite, but the eyes not so much)

[lilac island]

hmm

[eternal talon]

it 100% seems to be used that way, at the very least for long term travel (r6d1).
it is unknown if the fliers that appear during r8e2's kraken fight are created by the kraken, or just more that got teleported to r8's earth through r6b1 or the worldline collapse

[eternal talon]

thats my interpretation of it.

[lilac island]

They probably got teleported while inside the kraken

They dont seem to be teleporting in during the kraken fight

[eternal talon]

no, no, no, i didn't mean to imply that and i'm sorry if i did. We don't know if they originated from destination or one of the countless other worldlines it is confirmed that they have traveled to and collected species from. Destination at the very least were the last coordinates left in the MWP when insight find it. (which is bizarre given they would have had to use the mwp to jump to our worldline)

[lilac island]

The mwap

[prime horizon]

Okay

Fair enough

[eternal talon]

i wouldn't say most viable. its just the main species they've infected in the game because we are humans and this is earth. there are the floaters, kraken, and in logs kovac and insight encounter some sleeperized species from the collector's ship (unknown if collectors themselves or just the lifeforms they were cataloging)

[eternal talon]

debated topic.

in alt://r6 (through the conduit) they claim that every worldline they traveled to already had the virus.

the log in question says they collect the virus, but the entire thing is without tense so...

[lilac island]

It is strange that we never see infected animals though, I do bet they had a couple cats dogs and birds somewhere in gargantua. (Maybe a snatcher is a dog human hybrid?)

Maybe animals arent viable as hosts and are just used as biomass

[eternal talon]

their crew got infected and their ship drifted until it crashed. they just happened to be in our worldline somewhere out in space when the virus and parasite broke out and infected them, sorta like THE THING 1982

[eternal talon]

100% would love to get my hands on some new lore to obsess over

[eternal talon]

yep.

[lilac island]

I guess you could see them more as catalogers, it’s possible that the gave up on a cure and just started grabbing infect species to try and notice the signs of infection and quarantine them in other universes, if that didn’t make sense i can rephrase

[prime horizon]

As I said before I would pay for such book a lot haha, especially if it would have a good art in it )

[lilac island]

Dr hammerstein bad

I hate him

Grrr

“Guys we can’t extract you because fuck you”

So now you are mulch

[eternal talon]

its like the flood in halo. that shit's just so OP canonically that there isn't much you can do once it reaches your world.

[lilac island]

They had it quarantined in gargantua for quite a while

I mean the man power was going to run out

But

Maybe they couldve stopped that one guy from escaping….

Who knows

[eternal talon]

the brain stem is just the easiest method for them to hijack control over the body and central nervous system. with proper mutations and more growth i'd assume that eventually becomes redundant.

[lilac island]

Maybe then the world wouldve explode idk

[lilac island]

Makes sense that giants, chargers, minibosses, etc take less dmg to the occipital level

[eternal talon]

could be, point of that picture is that its not the intenstines as previously theorized at the time.

[eternal talon]

*only certain subspecies of virus. parasite.

specifically the red ones, that spawn with alarm waves and blood doors.

[lilac island]

The intensities seem to be used more as a breeding ground for the parasite since it keeps them warm

[eternal talon]

in gameplay all of them melt for performance reasons

[lilac island]

Yup

[eternal talon]

its why we only find the corpses of white subspecies in levels

[lilac island]

Im guessing they melt to stop anyone from trying to grab samples

Certainly makes it harder to find a cure

I wonder if nam-v was created by human in another universe

[eternal talon]

we know from the devs that sleepers are not zombies, explicitly.

this has glorious horrifying implications, like the hosts still being alive as they are puppeted and mutated.

[lilac island]

For NM enemies, it wouldn’t make sense

They are quite literally and in modeling reused bodies

(NM baby model is literally a curled up brown corpses you find in game)

And giants are just

Irgh

Like meatballs

Of humans

[eternal talon]

the base mother is two human females. one makes up the 'head', the front 'wings' and 'legs' and the other, the rear half.

its a really fucked up looking model if you take the time to examine it

[lilac island]

I…. Dont even want to know the implications of this

Jesus

[eternal talon]

slepeers have two methods of reproduction to maintain the numbers of their hordes.
respawn sacks -- cloning
and taking advantange of... 'natural' reproduction methods of hosts...

combine that with the whole NOT ZOMBIES thing and you've got the mothers experiencing all this...

[lilac island]

Giving birth to 20 shitlings is not normal

[eternal talon]

truly putting the horror in horror gaming

[lilac island]

They have to be “dead” by then right

[eternal talon]

neither is pretty much any of this

[lilac island]

Atleast in a comatose state

Or insane

[eternal talon]

i don't think dead.
their level of conciousness would depend on what is left of their brains mostly, like strikers are literally ripped in half so likely not much there

the mother's head though, at least the front one, is perfectly preserved in a wet fleshy membrane...

[lilac island]

They’re just like me fr

[eternal talon]

you can see the eyes through the film

[lilac island]

And its smiling

Mabe

Maybe its in a state of bliss

[eternal talon]

i'm pretty sure it is, yeah

[lilac island]

…

Right?

Gtfo is a psychological horror once you look into the lore

Being a women in the gtfo multiverse, you probably get the worst fates

[eternal talon]

the original depiction looked to be either that or a lifeform from the collector's ship, but the end product is def human.
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/VJRZln

[lilac island]

https://tenor.com/view/gtfo-gif-21071858

[eternal talon]

i mean some-fucking-how the ancient mayans managed to beat it back (at the expense of their own lives). technically a draw, sure, but even the collectors and 2050s humanity didn't manage that!

[lilac island]

They might have the model for the pouncer still

[lilac island]

Built. Fucking. Different.

Knowing that there is a sleeper variant of the snatcher called “pouncer” and multiple voicelines from the game suggest a pouncer nest… imagine the horror

[eternal talon]

yep, you can verify this as that's where the parasites store their eggs

[lilac island]

An unused woods voiceline is literally “this is snatcher territory” and “I think this is a snatcher nest”

[lilac island]

Looks yummy ngl

[eternal talon]

its implied by Dauda to have been created by the collectors, actually, in the old OGr7e1 log. calling it specifically designed to infect...

[lilac island]

Ignore the fact that ill become god knows

[eternal talon]

i don't know much about nightmares truth be told, their models and whatnot.

[lilac island]

Og r7 is current r7

[lilac island]

I mean im guessing the devs stating sleepers aren’t zombies was way before r8

Nightmares are confusing as shit

[eternal talon]

i know, but its an old log, couple years ago.

and not neccessarily. OGr7 is still OG worldline, not alt://

there is no alt://r7

[lilac island]

Current r7 follows the og team still actually

So technically i guess its ogr7

But it should just be

R7 R8 and ALT:// R1-6

[eternal talon]

r7 only exists because schaeffer killed the unit and began his rebellion culminating in him deactivating the warden in r7e1. in alt://, he doesnt kill the unit and works with the warden instead

[lilac island]

The naming i mean

[eternal talon]

yes, i know.

[lilac island]

Sane shaeff my beloved

[lilac island]

I know you knew idk why i said it xd

[eternal talon]

timeline goes

(unplayable ogr1-r6)
r7
alt://r1-r6
r8

[lilac island]

Technically both alt and og take place at the same time

[eternal talon]

yeah. 🧐

[lilac island]

Time is subjective though

[eternal talon]

both teams meet in the clusterfuck that is r8

where a dozen or more worldlines merge

[lilac island]

R8 my beloved

[lilac island]

I feel like the collectors fucked up badly there, shaeffer is just an insane guy with the mwaaaap maybe we are the ones that caused it with the reactor meltdown

The warden just gives up in r8 lmfao

[eternal talon]

(the MWP was having errors as far back as before garganta fell, with Insight losing staff and an entire wing of their lab to issues with it. When we pick it and the data cubes up in r6, we also experience these 'glitches'. In r8, our continued fucking with it eventually causes a total collapse of all worldlines connected to it)

[lilac island]

Even some secondaries in the second side of R8 is just “turn on reactor” or “collect glps” whats that going to do

[eternal talon]

*also r6d4 where we go to three different earths to collect CORRUPTED DATA CUBES, almost forgot that one

[lilac island]

And yet its stable enough to tp us to the save universe

Actually

Maybe not

the ending MIGHT not even be a safe universe

With how unstable the last teleport is

[eternal talon]

nam-v infection is gonna go with us, the chances we end up not bringing it with us is near zero

[lilac island]

Also the fact we bring like 200 hsus with us

[eternal talon]

with it surviving on surfaces for over a month, us dragging the entire vault of DEEP, --

[eternal talon]

-- the deep vault had 24,000 KSOs

the rest of garganta only had 8k

[lilac island]

Either A, the infection is ON us or B it’s every where around the teleported space

[lilac island]

We didnt tp with all of kds deep

I do wonder if those hsu are even full

[eternal talon]

hell, half of the vault is stuck embedded in the ceilings and floor of the cave after the warp

[lilac island]

Its like we do everything in gtfo

[eternal talon]

-- which also means we are REALLY FUCKING LUCKY to not just minecraft gravel suffocate after the warp

[lilac island]

Im guessing since we stayed near the mwp

We tped close to it

Im guessing the mwp just died after wards i guess

[lilac island]

Good luck getting them down

[eternal talon]

no, but we were directly below the vault, and from pics, we did take at least half of it with us.

when we warp, the entire teleported section causes a cavein

[lilac island]

Interesting how we’re always dropped from the surface

[eternal talon]

which becomes the alt:// squad's final resting place

[lilac island]

I’d like to think they didn’t die to the horde but to the reactor exploding

Also just a reminder

The main reactor is said to be the primary quadrant reactor

Meaning at most

[eternal talon]

personally, i think that's just due to it being the game's loading screen.

most of the tunnels don't actually reach the surface, because the surface is the sea floor where the lasers stopped just short of causing a flood

[lilac island]

Only half of gargantua would be destroyed

[eternal talon]

most of garganta is below water.

lemme pull up the map rq...

[lilac island]

It would be certainly interesting if deeper expedition would spawn you in kds deep

[eternal talon]

(okay, MB, i'm misremebering, but the main entrance is the ocean platform out at sea.)

[lilac island]

I see

Actually

Gargantua would probably collapse after the first reactor explosion since it would probably start a chain reaction

[eternal talon]

this was a convo that happened a couple months ago. schaeffer is full of shit, or an idiot, probably both.

nuclear reactors can't do that kind of damage

[lilac island]

Also im still confused on how the mwp survived us flooding shaeffs since thats like a good 80 tons of wayer pressure going on that thing

[eternal talon]

like, a meltdown, that he was trying to cause by removing the coolant, would cause little to no structural damage

[lilac island]

It might not be nuclear

Actually

They did say meltdown

And radioactive release in e1

[eternal talon]

you've seen chernobyl, i assume.

the entire plant still remains, with more than half of it intact beneath the dome.

[lilac island]

A meltdown can trigger an explosion

Nuclear energy is highly unstable

Especially knowing that there are multiple reactors in gargantua

And they talk about the main quadrant reactor

Not the small ones we power up

[eternal talon]

wouldn't you like to know, exactly what schaeffer is trying to do, has happend irl before.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima_nuclear_accident

the damage is near non-existant, even less than chernobyl

chernobyl only had it's roof blasted off due to steam pressure causing an explosion

[lilac island]

Yes but it was managed by authorities

If left untreated

[eternal talon]

even if it wasn't, the only threat is the radiation.

[lilac island]

The reactor wouldve exploded

[eternal talon]

no? that's not how nuclear reactors work...

they just melt into an extremely hazardous soup

[lilac island]

And also since it is 20XX its might not even be how we have nuclear reactors now

I need to sleep

Its 3:33 am

xd

[eternal talon]

lol

[lilac island]

Anyways before i go

[eternal talon]

(fukushima coolant explosion for comparison)

[lilac island]

Its possible the fuelrods are packed very close together, and knowing how large gargantua is, probably has alot more than an average reactor. Or maybe the instability of the power grid after the meltdown will cause power failures / fluctuations and more meltdowns

It might just overload the main power grid and fuck up gargantua

[eternal talon]

given we have to reactivate reactors as objectives in different rundowns, its possible they all run on their own seperate grids.

[lilac island]

We do go into different parts of gargantua

[eternal talon]

yes

[lilac island]

Sadly we dont know where

But

Im guessing

Since its the main quadrant reactor

Its holding the main power grid

Well connected to it

Atleast

[eternal talon]

at the very least, kds-deep has its own dedicated reactor (per r5)

[lilac island]

If it goes down, the rest go down

anyways

Ima go sleep

[eternal talon]

gn

[lilac island]

That was a very interesting conversation tho

[eternal talon]

i am always around to jump in and comment.

[north obsidian]

are there 2 wardens in each dimension or only 1

[eternal talon]

As far as we know, just one.

[eternal talon]

idea: perhaps the collectors put the coordinates in after jumping in our worldline, and just failed to punch it before their crew was wiped out.
why they'd want to high-tail it to destination though, is another question.

[regal olive]

If its2055 and nuclear reactors are still prone to human stupidity

Then wtf

Also truly i don't know how the nuclear reactor meltdown is doing anything whatsoever

Without water to turn into steam and exlode you're just making radioactive lava

Which is fun but won't destroy the facility

The reactor is already built like 1 kilometer underground

Nothing will happen

[warped bloom]

nothing?

[coral gorge]

nothing ever happens

[lilac island]

@eternal talon I think the MWPs instability caused so many issues in gargantua that it caused it to collapse. It’s possible that shaeffer is fucking stupid but in a way, with how much he and we used the mwp, we ended up fucking gargantua up by accident

Since part of kds deep get teleported with us, is also possible that it caused structural instability

I think gargantua’s collapse was caused by a a myriad of issues

[eternal talon]

Garganta's collapse (past tense) was caused by three main reasons.

Strike 1: The scientists (dumfuk A and dumfuk B) that ignored quarantine protocols and got infected with NAM-V, starting the modern day outbreak.

Strike 2: Improper quarantine of the facility, allowing an infected person to sneak past KOVAC lines and infect the surface world.

Strike 3: Continuing research in hopes of finding a cure instead of cutting losses and sealing the site's entrances in concrete before the parasite got out, then marking it in some way similar to nuclear waste dumps. (this won't fix the problem of the ticking time-bomb that is the ship and the infected it carries, but perhaps humanity would have stood a better chance in a couple hundred years)

[lilac island]

no im talking about the ending of e2

e1/e2

[eternal talon]

garganta wouldn't collapse 😦

thats now how nuclear powerplants work

the design of a reactor prevents a rapid, uncontrolled chain reaction, meaning it is physically impossible for a nuclear plant to detonate like an explosive device.

[lilac island]

read what i said....

no...

[lilac island]

this....

[eternal talon]

give me a moment to gather the relevant data.

[eternal talon]

we do not know the minimum size of DEEP, but it is at least 31,000 sqm
Santonian will allocate a further 30,000 sqm of space for KDS Deep. This is in addition to the existing area you have allocated for Legion storage and the Biocom installation.
Construction time for the initial allotment took 20 months, so maybe it can be calculated?
Sorry for the delay. Crazy busy. Blueprints attached. Est. construction time is 20 months. Drilling in August 2050.

but, lets be generous, and say its double, to 60,000 sqm total. if i did the math correctly, that's 244.95 meters per side, so a distance of 244.95 across the top. lets see what that looks like...

oh dear, not so big, is it?

and thats the size for THE ENTIRITY of KDS-DEEP.

kinda... small, dont you think?

how is that going to cause any structural damage, let alone destroy the entire site?

garganta is fucking massive, like, if it was above ground, you could see it from space

and probably from halfway to the moon

[lilac island]

the mwps instability couldve caused issues with timelines colliding.

[eternal talon]

it did, but to my knowledge the overwhelming majority of such occurances were clipping issues.

taking into account eh r8e2 kraken fight, if that giant arena didn't cause a collapse, i doubt any of these other minor morphs would either.

[lilac island]

at the same time we dont know how many "glitches" happened

[eternal talon]

no, but i feel this is now getting into the territory of "you can't disprove it, therefore i'm not wrong"

[lilac island]

true

but like we do get massive earth quakes throughout r8

[eternal talon]

we get only two or three though, right?

the first one being the major merging, the e1/e2 blast of deep warping out, and some collant explosion from a reactor

[lilac island]

im guessing that we were caused by the timelines colliding but what couldve caused them

[lilac island]

i guess

[eternal talon]

wdym by that

"we were caused"

[lilac island]

english not working

[eternal talon]

"couldve caused them" >?

[lilac island]

i think

i dont know even know

my brain is just

[eternal talon]

warning: threat level overloaded?

[lilac island]

my brain is

well if we ever get a sequel to gtfo maybe we will figure out what happened to the site

[eternal talon]

They tried to conduct a material analysis on it and lost half of their equipment to a "physical anomaly". The tools didn't break like the sample they sent me 2 years ago. As I understand it, the lab disintegrated. Or something. Apparently, it's "gone". I don't know what that means, but that, and all this talk about the "fossil", and the Cretasium 77a discovery makes me think... Insight is the place to be. They're on the brink of something huge.

even before garganta went bust they were losing massive amounts of material due to fucking with it

[lilac island]

i love touching unknown universe teleporting items

[eternal talon]

a device made for collector hands, a species infinitely more advanced than our owns, we are like infants playing with the (greek myth) strings of fate.

[lilac island]

this is why you shouldnt trust humans with anything

[lilac island]

"guys this shit can teleport us to other universes"

lets fuck around with it!

though shouldnt the collectors be able to fix the mwp? I'm guess the warden could, but maybe it wasnt given enough time

[eternal talon]

the shell and teleporters, while you could argue being reverse-engineered collector tech (i don't buy it), was made by humans. it's a miracle they work.

[lilac island]

i mean it does start exploding at the end of e2 so

[eternal talon]

let's see...

[lilac island]

its also possible that they didnt have enough resources

to fix it

maybe thats what boosters were for (i mean artifacts)

[eternal talon]

the infamous broom closet ending was may 4th, 2054.

the log i posted a little bit ago of them losing an entire wing of the lab was june 15th, 2054

so it is possible the warden just wasn't fast enough at comandeering biocom

before we started breaking it

[lilac island]

the warden just likes broom closets

[lilac island]

i dont think shaeff helped either

[eternal talon]

(the log in question is warden, through biocom, testing its control over the KSOs. it instructed a kso to:)
It went to a storage closet, unlocked the door, waited for 6 minutes inside the closet, then returned to the environment tech and continued with the original stack.It didn’t take anything from the closet, didn’t speak to anyone, and didn’t initia any combat. It’s very weird. I don’t know where the new objective came from, or how it slotted in to the stack so easily - but only Biocom can do this. It’s almost as if someone was testing me to see if we’d notice.

[lilac island]

https://tenor.com/view/attack-tole-tole-humble-cat-evil-nefarious-gif-3184810906682277049

deploying ksos to the closets

[eternal talon]

it depends. i'm not sure we know if he ever physically had it until r8 in the sewers

[lilac island]

he prolly fucked with some servers before hand

[eternal talon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goAZtk1i3CM

[lilac island]

My best guess is that for the secondary in B3 where we get glps, the warden was either so broken that he went into a "auto pilot" mode and just intructed us to collect glps for no reason

[eternal talon]

GLP2s were used to significantly (impossibly) speed up the growth of the (replacement) Conduit in r7d1.

its possible the earlier GLP1s were used for the first conduit.

maybe it wanted another conduit?

[lilac island]

we were collecting glp1s and the warden had no use for a conduit this late on, we were already under shaeffs control meaning the warden couldnt even collect the glps from us

[eternal talon]

since the r8 conduit died due to a version of our quad?

[lilac island]

do we even see a con in r8?

[eternal talon]

Then a quad of mercenaries came through a security door and before the creatures attacked them, this human - clone; I think - reached a hand out to them. Then the creatures attacked the mercenaries, and by the time the chaos was over, the clone was dead and so were two of the mercenaries. The clone clearly didn't want to hurt the mercenaries. It was trying to communicate. It was weak and looked like it was dying, but... If I see another one like it, I'm going to try to talk to it. Him. Yes, him. Hearsay off.

[eternal talon]

the dead conduit was in alt://r6c1

same place schaeff killed the quad in OG worldline

[lilac island]

huh

[valid phoenix]

Wait... Sheaffer chocked it to death, not smashed him on that column, didn't he?

[coral gorge]

No he smashed its head in with a lead pipe

[lone beacon]

(inset super loud pipe sound here)

[valid phoenix]

well, can we see the pipe then?

[coral gorge]

I dont think so? But its been a while since i looked at it

[valid phoenix]

Wait, so he chocked henrikson?

[coral gorge]

unclear

could be either really but i think he also got piped

[valid phoenix]

There is no any hearsay?

[coral gorge]

considering all the blood

[coral gorge]

there is only the R8B3 intercepted comms

[valid phoenix]

So you can find his body?

[coral gorge]

Just the place it was

[valid phoenix]

So, when did henrikson die? I mean which part of R8

https://youtu.be/BDUg1w_GL54?si=GrzqfJc3D0sR_uQE

hmm

ah maddox not henrikson

anyway

SO HE STRANGLED MADDOX!

that makes it clear why I thouhght this way about sheaffer

[coral gorge]

Yeah yeah

[lone beacon]

erm it's called a Snatcher??? 🤓

[valid phoenix]

yes

[valid phoenix]

Snatcher, pouncer, dog

tentacle thing

[lone beacon]

whaddadogdoin

[eternal talon]

Yes, it is just out of shot in this picture. It is on the stairs with a a blood trail leading to it from the corpse.

[eternal talon]

Also piped. Another bloody pipe on the floor.

[north obsidian]

i think you can find his id with blood on it in r8b3

[eternal talon]

Negative, just his ID

[north obsidian]

isnt the murder weapon aswell next to the id

[eternal talon]

Yes, it's a lead pipe

It's practically schaeffer's calling card

[north obsidian]

did john have a wife? an affair?

[eternal talon]

I don't know off the top of my head. If he did, it'd probably be on his recruitment sheet

He had a best friend that also worked in garganta, and a horrible relationship with his parents

[north obsidian]

i found a log about a crazy pregnant woman that locked herself in the bathroom from “john”

[eternal talon]

(On my phone rn so don't have my pics on hand)

[eternal talon]

Garganta is about twice the size of New York. Tens of thousands of johns.

[north obsidian]

damn

[eternal talon]

If you look in chat here from yesterday, I posted a map

Line is from Centerpoint to farthest edge, off the coast. Continue the point off the coast around the center as an equidistant circle

[royal crow]

Hey

I know that place

[eternal talon]

I was wondering when you'd appear honestly given we were talking about Mexico last night

The complex is fucking huge

[north obsidian]

wasnt the entire complex built with less than 4 years?

[eternal talon]

Something like that, I don't have the dates on hand (phone)

Between 2052 and 2056 or so

[royal crow]

i did read it

but didnt replied

lol

[north obsidian]

so you are telling me an underground area thats twice as big as a major city was built in 4years?

[eternal talon]

didn't replied? Didn't grammared gooded

[valid phoenix]

And I wish certain segments of management would provide a bigger dividend on this, because it's just a maze

I'd expect some huge fucking center at some point

when its just repeating maze

[royal crow]

tbf
there where billions of dollars worth of material

[eternal talon]

Pretty much.
Even 2050s (25+ years from now, that's a bit of a stretch)

[royal crow]

fuck english

not my fault this language is awfully stupid

[valid phoenix]

And there is no any means of transport across the complex

[eternal talon]

They're their there, it's alight.

[eternal talon]

Um, not that we know of. After the blast, they started using the holes to transport supplies from the surface down to various parts. Before that, they probably had an underground tram system or something

45° freight elevators practically a must.

[valid phoenix]

No, English is a blessing, my language is 6th hardest in the world I really admit english simplicity

[royal crow]

yeah english is really easy

easier than spanish in a lot of ways

[valid phoenix]

metro would be nice

[royal crow]

but holy fucking shit

[eternal talon]

It's all the exceptions...

[valid phoenix]

but we never see it

[royal crow]

some of the english rules are so

fucking

REGARD

[valid phoenix]

not even a staircase

[valid phoenix]

yeah? tell that to some Polish guy

[eternal talon]

We see stairs? Tons of them, almost every level

[valid phoenix]

100+ ways of saying one verb

[eternal talon]

We've seen elevators, too

In refinery tileset

[royal crow]

a stair from the entrance to the inner

just a straight hallway

all the way down

lol

[eternal talon]

(They are just unusable)

[valid phoenix]

yes, but not from one level to another

just a height change

[valid phoenix]

show me

lmao

[eternal talon]

Brush wtf you think the purpose of a stair is

[valid phoenix]

You mean some claws?

[eternal talon]

Nah, like a whole ass elevator

[royal crow]

oh my god

[coral gorge]

Nah, you are all underestimating the average garganta employee
Meth and leg day all the way

[royal crow]

cubix is typing

[valid phoenix]

Across different floors

[royal crow]

artifact candy all day

[eternal talon]

No, it's inoperable, but yes

[valid phoenix]

complex is three-dimensional

[royal crow]

multi-dimensional*

[valid phoenix]

we see it

[eternal talon]

It's just a basic tile, not even a customprefab

[valid phoenix]

and there is no connections

[valid phoenix]

yes

I mean

the height

and in game its flat surface

we never go up or down

[royal crow]

ah

i know waht you mean now

[valid phoenix]

but it makes a point cause your TAB map would be hard to navigate then

[valid phoenix]

yes

[coral gorge]

i mean we kinda do but on a micro scale

[eternal talon]

There are already levels where you can go under yourself

[valid phoenix]

Like here, its my minecraft project, you see there is different floors

[royal crow]

yeah flat surface with the occasional stair

[eternal talon]

Just not for large extents

[valid phoenix]

But the playable map is just a one single floor

btw this shit has grown

[coral gorge]

oh boy i instantly thought of one funny minecraft meme

[eternal talon]

Still waiting for the day the project is finished and I can fly through it in spectator

[royal crow]

KDS Deep when

also mix the GTFO minecraft mod with that

and we got actual GTFO in minecraft

[coral gorge]

the what now

[eternal talon]

Not at my pc rn, but I know exactly where to get the elevator pictures from

[valid phoenix]

Well, overload, first main zone and secondary are done

[royal crow]

theres a GTFO mod for minecraft

[eternal talon]

I saw it in a modding tileset pdf

[royal crow]

it has enemies, doors?, and i think guns

[eternal talon]

I think I dm'd it to you before, tagar

[valid phoenix]

yeah, but t5his one is vanilla only

besides invissible item frames

so I can create details

like boxes

[royal crow]

https://modrinth.com/mod/gtfo-craft-protocol @coral gorge

[valid phoenix]

yeah, I saw it cool stuff

And I heard it has operationall doors

But ive built my own with redstone

5x3 4x4 and 3x3

Well in game it would be 8x4 and 4x4 only, but I couldnt build that

[eternal talon]

Tagar, check this.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1iSYUASlQSaP6l7PD3HszsXSAxJ-wb8MAVwYxb9xW92c/edit#heading=h.kopxzugw4v1n

Go to the Refinery section, it is a normal prefab

[royal crow]

bro

do we have a document for everything in this game?

jesus christ

[valid phoenix]

we must

[royal crow]

do we have a document about every prop in the game?

[valid phoenix]

this refinery?

[royal crow]

a lot of them have like companies name and logos

[eternal talon]

Assets/AssetPrefabs/Complex/Mining/Geomorphs/Refinery/geo_64x64_mining_refinery_JG_01.prefab

[valid phoenix]

Im going to build it

[eternal talon]

That's the tileset, yeah

[valid phoenix]

Yeah I was searching thru some nice missions

[eternal talon]

Specifically in the center looks like 🍩 room

[valid phoenix]

but I need to finish secondary first

[royal crow]

i wish you could go all the way down

and into another area

[eternal talon]

Everybody loves 🍩 room

[royal crow]

such a missed opportunity

[valid phoenix]

And I dont know if I should build another entry point or continue there where main should be in R4D2

Cause I am not building that lab-data center maze again

I want to build some serious stuff

[opaque crown]

Lore is back

[valid phoenix]

Like project insight archives

[eternal talon]

Just keep in mind

Refinery, Digsite, Storage

Are all one tile group and can only connect to eachother.

Lab, data center

Are another group,

And

Floodways, gardens

[valid phoenix]

Yes

You've teached me that already lmao

[royal crow]

do Destination

[valid phoenix]

hmmm

[royal crow]

🙏

[valid phoenix]

alfa-1

must be

[eternal talon]

mesa biome with invisible walls

[valid phoenix]

Yeah

I need to build some gardens

they look epic

[eternal talon]

Unironically somebody does, but I don't. One of the mods used for custom terrain gen relies on you knowing all of the IDs for the parts

[valid phoenix]

but I think Ill be building them near surface so those glass dooms can get some sun

[royal crow]

no way

[valid phoenix]

I know that in-game its artifficial light, but sun shafts on shaders are dope

plus in game there is actually no ceiling, its just the dark sky

My attempt on bulkhead controller

[eternal talon]

If I had a reference photo I could judge it, but that looks sick as fuck just on its own

[valid phoenix]

its a bit oversized, so I could have made those yellow things whatever they are

[valid phoenix]

ill find you the same location

booting up game

fuck nvidia is not nviding

[lone beacon]

whoops

wrong channel

lmao

[eternal talon]

Ah, what incredibly lore significance. This changes EVERYTHING

[lone beacon]

mb my liege
t'was a misinput

[eternal talon]

Nah, your good, just poking fun

[valid phoenix]

It has two extra monitors because it just looks better with them

[eternal talon]

have you tried blackstone instead of the prismarine?

also from the pic, the bamboo looks kinda redundant, given its already extended

i'd give it a 7.5/10 as is

im not quite sure how to improve it. bottom/desk is 10/10.
middle/cables is 8/10 given not many block choices avaliable

[valid phoenix]

ill try

Also another comparison

Without shaders even more similar (I know, the door)

I can t figure out how would I do bulkhead it's just impossible, and tbh normal security door looks just better adding some color pop-up to the scene

[safe gale]

gtfo in minecraft

[lone beacon]

are all these zones you built able to be generated (via whatever that weird command block is called) are you just building the levels by hand?

[valid phoenix]

of course I am building them

There is no way to generate something so complicated by some commands

also generating procedurally whatever exceeds far beyond Minecraft's command block's capabilities

[eternal talon]

i'd say its pretty solid.

[valid phoenix]

First main zone

cables are to high

entry point

entry point different pov

Secondary sector, first zone, server room

All in all not the closest it could get but looking good

[lone beacon]

sorry I meant structure blocks, I just forgot what they were called

[valid phoenix]

ah yes, that could help in theory, but first I need to build layouts manually before I would be able to generate and modify them. But I just use Litematica mod for that

[worn rivet]

Asking in here cause I cant find a solid awnser online what happens at the end of rundown 8 e 2

[lilac island]

You mean the ending or what happens after the ending

[worn rivet]

I mean do we know what happens do we die or do we live or is it left up to us

To make crap up

[lilac island]

Well its unknown what happens after the ending of e2, maybe we’ll get a lore drop someday but that is definitely not now

[worn rivet]

Also what is the ending to that mission I cant find what happens online

[lilac island]

They original team abandons the //alt team, grabs the data cubes with the clean universe location, teleports there and then well its unknown what happens afterwards.

[eternal talon]

After the ending, it is unknown. There is no epilogue or such.

However, given NAM-V, the chances we made it to the clean worldline without bringing it with us is almost zero. Most likely, we brought NAM-V with us, infecting the clean worldline and ending in our deaths after a number of weeks.

Personally, I think a hopeless sort of ending is by far and away the most likely.

The game ends on a hopeful note, but if you've been reading the logs and following along...

That sort of thing.

For the actual gameplay of r8e2, it is as R7E1 said. OG yoink the data cubes and warp out, leaving the ALT// quad to die as they do in R8E1

[worn rivet]

So essentially we doomed that world too well also yeah out of the main four of our characters only forgot his name the one who got his identity erased entirely deserved to survive In my opinion

[eternal talon]

Before it fades to black we see the inside of a cave system we warped into, and at the entrance, large ferns and trees.

Then after FTB we hear some dialogue from James Durant telling us to stay where we are.

[worn rivet]

Oh so we might have entered the new timeline or whatever you call them

[eternal talon]

(Alt:// Durant and his expedition were warped to this clean jungle world in alt://, and to destination in OG)

[eternal talon]

It's not might have, we did with certainty, because of our encounter with durant.

We went to some cretaceous period ass jungle planet

[worn rivet]

If I may ask who or what is Durant

[eternal talon]

The inverse of the desolate wasteland desert that is destination

[worn rivet]

Is it those big like infection things

We fight at some points

[eternal talon]

Durant is a human researcher and one of the three heads of project insight (durant, hammerstein, stokes).

Hammerstein ran expeditions into the alien ship beneath garganta and was responsible for cataloging the artifacts recovered, which he called "the hammerstein collection". Stokes was in charge of studying these artifacts, most notably the matter wave projector, and she organized the expeditions to different universes with it.

Durant was supposed to head these expeditions, basically a Neil Armstrong-lite.

He left with ef01, the first ever expedition to a different universe.

He left garganta before the virus broke free and destroyed everything. In both worldlines, he never reported back.

In OG, his team ended up on destination and were killed by floaters, with only bishop returning with the MWP two weeks later

[worn rivet]

Okay thanks for this I'm trying to get into most of the lore and this was helpful

[eternal talon]

In ALT, he ended up on the as said before-- jungle world

[eternal talon]

No problem, I am always around to help.

If you want a basic intro to the lore, while it is no longer pinned due to an outdated graph, you can use the search function in this channel to search for the 📌 icon and read the "for dummies document". It is a variable treasure trove of information.

(Just ignore the graph attatched to it and the summary of expeditions part of the doc)

[worn rivet]

Also @eternal talon is there any characters you would consider good in the sense that they dont deserve to die

[worn rivet]

Thanks Wilma do

[eternal talon]

None of them. This is grimdark-esque.

maybe stokes and her crew, but they were reckless as fuck

I guess maybe henrikkson too, but we don't really know much of anything about his backstory pre-ksoificiation

[eternal talon]

Big infection things? May I ask for clarification?

[worn rivet]

I mean from what I remember the thing we fought in rundown 8 e2 that big thing in the dark I presume it's the same thing from earlier in the rundown I don't remember their names

[gray bone]

krakens?

You mean to say krakens?

[eternal talon]

?

[worn rivet]

Oh thanks I didnt know they were called that it's just I thought they were head cannon here I have: big infection bio mass storage essentially a storage area

[worn rivet]

Also bloody hell they're ugly

But cool looking at the same time

[eternal talon]

If the image is of the creature you are asking about, yes, it is called a kraken.

To the best of our knowledge it is a massive infected lifeform that was native to destination, Ala an infected whale or something.

We've seen about 6 or so I'd reckon.

We fought one as a boss fight in r6d1 the same way as we do in r8e2

[worn rivet]

Oh that's good to know its name could be a giant squid turned if it's called kraken

[eternal talon]

Honestly physiology it bears the most resemblance to cuttlefish

(On my phone rn so limited picture posting ability, but if you'd look at a Google image you'd immediately begin to see similarities)

[worn rivet]

Currently looking

[eternal talon]

(There are better pictures of the kraken, I just posted what I had on my phone)

Currently cooking dinner

[worn rivet]

They looking similar which could've meant that the infection ran upon in one of its many universal travels a kind of giant cuddle fish and decided to infect a load of them

Or something similar

[gray bone]

Well GTFO is in a mine, so we never saw any sort of wildlife being turned
But that could happen

Won't be able to say for certain

[worn rivet]

Are the like dog creatures or whatever not animals

[gray bone]

Snatchers (we do call it dogs sometimes) are humans

They have human faces

They are one of the only sleepers that have one relatively intact

[worn rivet]

All I'm going to say is that NAM-V or whatever is a very complex infection

[lilac island]

Relatively is the key word, is speculated that snatchers are a human dog hybird

[gray bone]

Maybe den of wolves will give us infected wolves

And finally fix the goddamn cfoam bug

[lilac island]

The snatcher concept art was alot more “feral” if you could say that, it was a mix between a shooter and a dog that would run at you on 4 legs and stand on 2 feet to literally eat you

https://tenor.com/view/gtfo-gif-21071858

This was the tentacle from the og snatcher

Literally used in the first ever gameplay trailer

[gray bone]

It got scrapped though even before the game exited alpha right

[worn rivet]

Oh that is a cool as hell concept art where did this come from if I may ask

[gray bone]

This

Is where it came from

[lilac island]

I’m guess it had a model and was probably tested but was changed later in the dev cycle

[gray bone]

Yeah
I mean they're basically in drg now

[lilac island]

@eternal talon do you have the concept art link?

Wait actually lemme find iy

[gray bone]

As cave leeches

[worn rivet]

I did not see that so thanks for telling me that

[lilac island]

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/VJRZln

Here

This is a couple concept arts for the snatcher

[gray bone]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vSYJckIfi8
This is the video

For the trailer

[lilac island]

2017 gtfo honestly looks sick as fuck

[gray bone]

The most viewed part is the one you're gonna see it

[lilac island]

I wish there was a beta version you could play

But i do believe that the snatcher is a human dog hybrid

[worn rivet]

Okay because the implications of that means that the infection can create hybrids between animals and humans

[lilac island]

More like them merging, the parasite can “create” biomass and alot of the creatures we see in the complex are multiple humans.

[worn rivet]

Oh that makes alot more sense then what I said

[raw terrace]

for me just seems like human but deformed

just called dog cuz moves

[eternal talon]

RIP old lighting engine. genuinely looked like a whole different game. glad i at least got to experience it back then.

[lilac island]

white c-foam is cursed tho

[eternal talon]

and i know i've gone on and on before about how they NUKED the textures

[eternal talon]

unironically prefer it. its shiny, reflective.

looks better than tan

[lilac island]

looks more crystalized

[eternal talon]

the modern ones dont interact with the light at all

(but that could also just be because they ruined the lighting engine)

[lilac island]

it does look sick

but uh

white c-foam

[eternal talon]

yes, everyone knows the joke.
c*m foam

[raw terrace]

i never liked how the old looks so oily for me it doesnt add anything except grossness and theres a difference of looking cool and creepy vs gross

[lilac island]

im not gonna say anything more

[eternal talon]

grossness is the point!

[lilac island]

everyone has personal preference

[eternal talon]

everything should be covered in grease, oil, and dripping wet

[raw terrace]

no not rlly, a dark facility has no reason to look like its oily, why does caves look wet

[eternal talon]

dark as shit too

too many lights, not even good use of color

[raw terrace]

they are mostly known for being dry and full of rock unless it has a lake on it

[eternal talon]

just all light orange

[lilac island]

context is important

[raw terrace]

same thing happened with or without new engine

ask r5

floodways

[eternal talon]

hahahahaha

10/10 out of context material right there fuck...

[lilac island]

i feel like the complex should be more rusted down

ngl

[raw terrace]

they be good materials :3

[lilac island]

adding it to the gallery

[eternal talon]

NAH

this is just from 3 seconds of scrolling through my archive

[raw terrace]

as i said same thing happened with or without engine

the levels piss it wouldve looked like piss too with the other

[eternal talon]

old engine had THIS level of darkness, everywhere

[raw terrace]

icould just be picky and choose r5 floodways screenshots and then any r1a1 dark corner and do the same ksmdkm

wow uh from r1 stream im watchin

its dark

[eternal talon]

its hard to describe. it feels like RTX mode with the old engine. everything had shadows, vibrant lights when they were there interacted with everything, and it was so every texture, including the sleepers--were hyper detailed, slimy and gritty.

new engine just feels... dull

[raw terrace]

i feel like it just comes to preference
u could blame the new engine for making textures a bit less textured and less crispy, but it softens a lot of materials that arent shiny oily and full of wetness as if it was occlusions wet level
both engines are very mucht he same for color to me- r6 levels like bx [formerly cx], d2, c2, c1 show that- and early access levels look colorful too-

i mean i feel like u can compare and maybe one will be different but not cuz the engines different

juzt cuz the values of the rgb are different

like how it happened with r1c2

[eternal talon]

there are only four places that even really stood out to me since they changed it. four three rooms, in dozens and dozens of levels.