gtfo-lore

[raw terrace]

i think even if he didn't have partial or total control of the shuttlebox

he could monitor it

he monitors us, he could probs track the case

like any other way depending on the order-- he has to leave a1, go for the case, go back to a1 cause both HSU were delivered to him and revive henrikkson

i think it just makes more sense if he did that trip between levels instead of dragging a corpse for several floors

[eternal talon]

one more question though.

[raw terrace]

qwq

[eternal talon]

why would he warn us about the snatcher if he wasn't in hydroponics?

**You guys need to watch out, there’s something out there… **

but… it’s out there. Ooh, watch the shadows. Schaeffer out.

if he was still in a completely different wing of garganta, why would he warn us like it was only three zones away or smn?

[raw terrace]

i mean we don't see any snatchers in b1 either
he probs saw something new that seems to move extremely fast and through vents or other manners and thought 'maybe these guys have one around'
the "it's out there" seems more as a 'you could encounter it at some point'

like- schaeffer has lived in the complex longer than us, and it's the first time he sees it

[eternal talon]

i mean we don't see any snatchers in b1 either

the message only appears less than five minutes from extract, to be fair.

and c1 also isn't the same tileset. c1 is LAB.
a1 is datacenter iirc

so while yes, there are def more than one snatcher, schaeffer didn't know that. why would he be issuing us a warning across three different parts of the city-sized garganta?

[raw terrace]

i don't see much how the tiles matter tbh- but
yeah i think it's just a warning of schaeffer seeing something he has never seen before, not even by monitoring us, and thought that we could use a warning-- i mean he has seen us since rundown 4, probably way before, and has noted we never seen one or at least he assumes we haven't

[eternal talon]

there’s something out there… It’s something new.

[raw terrace]

and seeing how fast it is and how it disappeared through something like a vent

its probs a "this thing could get to u guys really really quickly"

[raw terrace]

yeah- something new that he assumes we haven't seen as he hasn't either, something out there that seems to move extremely fast

[eternal talon]

i think you are leaning quite a lot on extremely fast

[gray bone]

What was that thing anyways

snatcher?

[eternal talon]

yes

[gray bone]

what do you mean yes

[eternal talon]

10cc/irl/gameplay the point is to forebode the snatcher in the next level

[eternal talon]

you said snatcher?

[raw terrace]

yes it is the snatcher

[gray bone]

o ok

sleep deprivation is fun

Imma go to bed now

[raw terrace]

:D

goodnight

[eternal talon]

fun fact: this was the original snatcher, scrapped looooong ago

[raw terrace]

fun fact technically the enemy we got in the game isn't the snatcher

it's a pouncer

and it was gonna be different

from this funny lil guy tentacle

[eternal talon]

funner fact: nobody knows what the fuck this enemy was supposed to be

[raw terrace]

my theory is still an alien

jk

it just seems like a scrapped esrly design- wish it could've been the cube

idk if u watched that

[eternal talon]

if it was in the game, most certainly some infected species from the collector's ship

[raw terrace]

from the behind the scenes

[eternal talon]

though, it was scrapped long before the ship/collectors as a while was likely thought of

half a decade ago, probably longer as iirc it wasnt even in the alphas/betas

it only survives as a jpg in one of the old r1 soundtrack videos on yt

[raw terrace]

my 4 arm beloved
we should port that into gtfo

just need to learn to

model

[eternal talon]

or convince 10cc to give it

it already looks like it'd fit the giant's animation set quite well

[final sentinel]

hah

we’ve been trying to get updated mono for years

i fucking doubt it

[eternal talon]

i know, fat chance

[raw terrace]

why do u want a monkey

[final sentinel]

hush child

[raw terrace]

dak wants the updated monkey :3

[tough wave]

Oh that's Jonathan, you haven't met him?

He's a wonderful fellow

[raw terrace]

he seems cool :D

[eternal talon]

Hypothetical:

If you were to somehow become the Warden the year Garganta was fully overrun, what would you do with your newfound power? In this scenario you have none of the Warden's memory or direct access to the Vessel without the use of KSOs.

[toxic wagon]

-# Initiate Reactor Meltdown

[coral gorge]

Nuke garganta and pray no one managed to get out of it beforehand

[eternal talon]

You think it'd be worth it in the end? I mean who knows... what if it makes Super Sleepers

Also how would you plan on nuking it?

We've had the conversation before that schaeffer didn't know what the fuck he was talking about in terms of nuclear meltdowns

[royal crow]

Use the KSO's as entertainment

Oh wait

No yeah i would

Make a single guy with a gun fight 10 mothers

[eternal talon]

That seems unnecessary cruel...

[royal crow]

Listen

As the warden
I'm technically a god

[eternal talon]

give him a knife instead, a gun is too much of a chance

[royal crow]

The god of garganta

[royal crow]

:)

That way we can know who is part of the perfect squad

If he survives send that mf to do everything

[loud urchin]

force feminisation

[eternal talon]

Repeat 31,999 more times

[coral gorge]

Listen, the aliens had a ship with super beams, the warden could figure something out

otherwise just like… dox Kim Jong Un so he drops 50 nukes on garganta

[royal crow]

Cubix

There is a reason why he never sent KSO's there

Lord knows what is down there

And i don't think none of us want to figure it out

[eternal talon]

By the time garganta is collapsed, I think most of the world is already too busy fucking eachother to care

(Or too dead to care)

[coral gorge]

i mean, depends what you mean by „garganta is overrun”

when exactly is that

also, bold of you to assume North Korea doesnt use its nukes even if its pointless

[royal crow]

Kin Jong Un would use nukes with any offer You give them

[coral gorge]

Thats just a skill issue
I’d win

[tough wave]

This is assuming they could fly that far

Ofc

[coral gorge]

e x a c t l y

[eternal talon]

The log where a worker is trapped when warden begins sealing all of the doors is dated. Give it a couple months, between that one and the undated one where schaeffer is the last alive

[coral gorge]

its 2050, surely they got it covered

[eternal talon]

But that general range

[royal crow]

When was Mr Truth last message?

[tough wave]

Til GTFO is set in 2050

[coral gorge]

do you remember the date?

[royal crow]

We can use that as reference too

[eternal talon]

That's the surface though, not garganta

[coral gorge]

yeah

[eternal talon]

on my phone

Soz

[coral gorge]

also hell, id say his last message is sent mid R8

[royal crow]

Yeah but with the nuke conversation about:
"They are too dead to care, or too busy fucking with each other"

[eternal talon]

Ain't no way

[coral gorge]

since he does experience wordline shenanigans

in the alt r5 log

[eternal talon]

Last long from the WHO that is unanswered is an old one, no?

[coral gorge]

Do you mean daylight team?

[royal crow]

Mr Truth lowkey one of the best characters in Gtfo

[coral gorge]

true

[eternal talon]

No, from og worldline logs

Years back

I think it was r5 or r6

[eternal talon]

The idea of the paranoid conspiracy theorist being right all along.

[royal crow]

Not only that
But mf avoided kovac and was one of the last humans on the surface

He is built different

[coral gorge]

Oh you mean the r6 log where the who talks about the pandemic and how to stay safe?

[coral gorge]

he even had a dog

[eternal talon]

No, the one where the log is like half missing text

[coral gorge]

nope i dont remember that one then

[eternal talon]

If you can't find it, I'll have to link it when I get home later

But the general idea is: the last person in the complex is dead, the world is basically dead, almost nobody left at this point

[coral gorge]

Hm

wow then i guess thats a pretty important log

although i guess it doesnt account for the KSOs, rich assholes in bunkers and possibly Cuba

[terse knoll]

Wait, rundown 7 never happened for alt squad?

[royal crow]

No

Rundown 7 is the schaeffer revolution

but in ALT worldline schaeffer works with the warden

So the revolution never takes place

[terse knoll]

So alt squad timeline goes rundown 6-rundown 8

[royal crow]

Yes

[terse knoll]

Whats the point of Nightmare squad timeline?

[royal crow]

It's just an easter egg

It's a "what if"

[terse knoll]

Yeah but by lore rules, thats a dead end timeline as squad is killed

[royal crow]

Yeah

But that nightmare worldline squad is a easter egg
It isnt relevant to the main plot (A2 sec)

[terse knoll]

Why do other squads keep dying?

[royal crow]

They arent a perfect squad

Yes, thats a thing

OG squad is a perfect squad
We never die

[terse knoll]

Usually squad A dies, our squad gets sent to unfuck the situation, repeat

[royal crow]

They are simply not as good as us

[terse knoll]

So Warden loses 4 prisoners for each expedition, in ideal outcome

Dont some expeditions have something along the lines "prisoner losses deemed acceptable"?

[royal crow]

Yeah

We are resources for the warden

We don't matter in the long run

The warden has more KSO's ready to go

[solemn kraken]

We aren't the only team doing stuff. We are just the most succesfull both in OG and Alt timeline

Schaeffer was on a team

[terse knoll]

But Alt squad eventually runs out of luck in R8E1?

[royal crow]

Levels like R6C3 take place while other team ls doing stuff

[solemn kraken]

Still most succesfull of their timeline

[royal crow]

Dont run out of luck
We left them to die

They could have totally survived

[solemn kraken]

R5B4 and R6C3 is us being diversions for other teams

[solemn kraken]

True. guess OG are the best of the best

[terse knoll]

I have yet to get to R8, do we have to beat left side of the rundown first?

[royal crow]

Yes

[terse knoll]

Question about R8A2 Secondary, since we are supposed to die, do we get awarded Main Objective as well?

[royal crow]

Yup

[terse knoll]

So its R8A1, B1, C1, D1, E1 then A2, B2, C2, D2 and finally E2?

Weird story order

Its like 2 mini rundowns

[royal crow]

At the time of release it was supposed to be a surprise

You finish the first half and then the next one unlocks telling the story from the other team perspective

Also it's easier to understand

[terse knoll]

I have this weird thing, I spoil myself story beats but not the small stuff and still end up being surprised

[solemn kraken]

R8A1, B1,B2, C1,D1,E1. then A2, B3, B4, C2, D2, E2

[eternal talon]

This is [inaudible] Sakura broadcasting from Geneva on behalf of the World Health Organization we are broadcasting on short [inaudible] radio [inaudible] every day the World Health Organization recommends all people remain isolated until further notice there is still no treatment for the nam vee [inaudible] currently no vaccination [inaudible] misinformation and misdiagnosis [inaudible] there is no naturally occuring immunity from nam vee due [inaudible] the world health [inaudible] has authorized an [inaudible] to find the origins of the virus it is believed to be located in the yucatan peninsula possibly near the [inaudible] access to a radio transmission device please contact us [inaudible] frequency at any time this station is monitored twenty [inaudible] will reach the peninsula in the three days [inaudible] staff do not have access to food or water and will be there exclusively to search for the origins of [inaudible] however representatives will have details of all operational evac centers and can provide details on the location [inaudible] will repeat on the hour every hour this is the world [inaudible]

**Log G821-005
Date: November 22nd 2056
Employee: Nolan Connor B229
Type: Journal entry

//HearSay auto-transcript begins//

CONNOR
Hearsay on. It’s one year since Dr. Stokes left us. I still have no idea what happened to her. The record says she was removed due to schizophrenic psychotic episodes I think, but I don’t know where she went. There's no indication of what treatment she received or where she ended up. I've tried reaching out to Howard, but I'm pretty sure they are blocking our external communications. They won't tell us what's going on outside, but from what I can gather it's bad out there. I miss her. She was brilliant, brilliant, and her energy was much needed after Hammerstein's toxicity. She was a breath of fresh air. Until she wasn't. In the end she went the same way we all do. Paranoid, temperamental, depressed. And I'm next. I've avoided contact with the creatures as much as I can. I rarely venture into the inner if I can help it. I've remained as isolated as possible, and I don't have the virus yet which is... unexpected. There are a few of us who have avoided infection, and we've all followed the same pattern. Bare minimum of contact with any other staff. Full protective gear outside of our quarters. Regular hydrostasis immersion - which definitely helps, regardless of what the official stance may be. I haven't removed my gel-mask in 2 years, other than changing the filters. I do feel like it's starting to affect me though. They say a few hours at a time will have no impact on short term memory, but it's cumulative, so. Given the alternative, I'll take the risk. Oh, we have a meeting with the board members from Dreyfus, Santonian and Kovac tomorrow - what's left of them - they want to know why we haven't had any breakthroughs. So easy to demand answers when you're sitting in a bunker in the middle of god knows where. Down here, it isn't so easy. We… we all get it. We may be the last chance there is. Hearsay off.**

looks like some time late 2056, or early 2057 was the end, the end

**Log G821-162
Date: November 24th 2056
Employee: Nolan Connor B229
Type: Journal entry

//HearSay auto-transcript begins//

CONNOR
Hearsay on. We have destroyed the world, and there will be no one left to hold us accountable. The board made that very clear. Some of the team have families and are insisting they be allowed to leave, but they won’t let us go. We will die here; unless, somehow, we find a way to stop this virus. The answer has to be in the Inner, I know it. There’s an area we've sealed off with several bulkheads; a chamber with a biomass larger than anything we've seen before. Thousands of biosigs and at least one unknown, massive, organism. We've avoided dealing with it, but we’re out of time. Tomorrow. We have to face it, and this time I'm going with them. I refuse to die a cautious man. I choose to fight. Tomorrow, we open the doors. Hearsay off.**

[raw terrace]

what was that at the end

i guess we don't know

it just says a biomass

from where was that log?

[eternal talon]

just before the fucking gargantuan mommy in r8.

so i assume that.

even though that is NOT the inner

[raw terrace]

an wrll it can still be that

[eternal talon]

how so? the inner/fossil/vessil is the collector's ship

also egg

[royal crow]

egg

[eternal talon]

the collector's ship is called the "egg" in one of the logs

[royal crow]

Can we Cook it?

[eternal talon]

one of the really old ones, iirc

[eternal talon]

no info

[raw terrace]

i mean yeah- ok maybe it's a stretch but big biomass, hundred of biomass around it
mother, babies- it seems logical in my brain

but also how would the mom climb to d2

[eternal talon]

idk, but i'm just saying. the cold concrete walls of garganta wouldn't look anything like the obsidian and glass-like magma tunnels of the inner

Several large, clear tubes can be seen on the true color gamma print, starting at the approximate center point of the mass. They do not appear to be lava tubes; the composition materials are too dense to be affected by any heat generated by volcanic activity. Further analysis is needed once we excavate. GSP data for the largest of these tubes has been sent to operations.

also they are fucking huge, and apparently aren't obviously created by something... which just makes me think of the space jockey ship on lv426
The revealed chamber extended 43 meters to the north, measured 27 meters at the widest point (east from the point of entry), and rose up to 15 meters high. There was no indication that water had permeated this far into the rock, leading the onsite Geo (Kat Edison B062) to suggest that the chamber was a planned excavation, though by who or what was unknown.

// **Having pinpointed the location of several chambers in zones [redacted] and [redacted], I have approved a comprehensive mapping and exploration of those zones. I am certain these chambers are not the result of natural geologic processes. An initial report, by one of my staff (not me) suggested they were lava tunnels. I have rejected that conclusion as there is no evidence of volcanic activity in this area and the chambers are too symmetrical to have been formed by any natural mechanism.

I believe we are looking at evidence of [redacted]. I am confident that the chambers were been constructed by [redacted], though, as yet we do not know how or why they were made. Certainly, a great mystery for me to tackle.**

[warped bloom]

Are we the warden or nah

Playing as the warden

[coral gorge]

elaborate?

[warped bloom]

Like logging in to control the prisoners, make them say big scout

Like schaeffer making henrikson say some robotic crap

[eternal talon]

in the context of my hypothetical last night? or in-game?

in-game; no. we do not play as the warden.
THIS is what it looks like from the warden's POV of us. It would be nigh unplayable.

darn eyeballs getting in the way...

[raw terrace]

oh it's an eyeball

i just made that connection

[terse knoll]

Are humans aware of being sleepers?

The virus wouldn't know how to move a human body so I think it hijacks the brain

[eternal talon]

i

i'm not sure thats something we really can know

[eternal talon]

the virus itself, isn't the one puppeting the sleepers.

it goes like this, see;

the parasite, Parasitidae Garganta. a species of parasitic mites that control their hosts via unknown means, likely by hijacking the brainstem. On their own, they would likely function in a similar way to Velonaceps Calyx, albeit without the death of the host as a prerequisite during incubation. The parasite mutates the host it infects, or otherwise changes its physiology to form weapons, such as clubbed hands, feet, or the massive maws strikers are famous for.

the virus, NAM-V, also mutates the hosts it infects prior to their deaths. NAM-V has a symbiotic relationship with Parasitidae Garganta, where, unlike pretty much every other life form in the multiverse, they don't kill eachother. NAM-V extendeds the life of the parasite and by extension, any hosts it is controlling for an undefined time, speculated to be indefinite.

furthermore, sleepers do not seem to require sustenance to survive, which on its own, is a very bizzare and outright unrealistic feature, but hey, it is a video game after all.

[terse knoll]

But killing a sleeper seems to keep it down

[eternal talon]

in the case of sleepers specifically, they are hosts (commonly humans), that are infected by NAM-V and mutated, then before death, they are infected by the parasite and mutated further, creating all the various subspecies we encounter.

[eternal talon]

correct!
sleeper immortality is not really "true" immortality, it is in the same vein of lobsters and other crustacians, where they simply do not age due to cell deterioration.

they can still be put down with a hefty ammount of lead.

[terse knoll]

Only one exception exists

The Immortal

Can't be put down

[coral gorge]

i mean
it could be put down

[terse knoll]

It feels like mercy killing to put down a sleeper

[royal crow]

DID SOMEONE SAID PABLO

[coral gorge]

its basically a tank

Like an irl tank i mean

so with good enough equipment you could prolly kill it

[royal crow]

you know what kills everything

FIRE

[eternal talon]

9 million? billion? health is a lot.

[terse knoll]

An actual canon shot?

[eternal talon]

but yes, still technically. just would take a very large bomb.

[terse knoll]

2 billion HP

[eternal talon]

absolutely. the state of the host would be tantamount to perpetual torture.

[terse knoll]

Judging by body shape, are scouts infected women?

[eternal talon]

its worse when you consider there would likely have been infected Mayans during the 16th century that ventured into the caves to fight back the infestation. They would have been infected for hundreds of years.

[eternal talon]

though it isn't canon and is just my own observations, it appears the parasite mutates the host to a form fitting the hive based on its pre-existing composition.

ie; females are shooters, scouts, hybrids, etc. males are strikers, giants, tanks, with more muscular or beefy bois becoming giant variants.

we see the same to a much more limited extent with the infected Destination fauna, between the Meatballs and the Shocker

[terse knoll]

What genetic bullshit gets you shadows?

[royal crow]

we dont know

LOL

its never explained

[eternal talon]

that is beyond me. It really isn't explained under any circumstances

[eternal talon]

indeed.

[royal crow]

theory says they are sleepers between worldlines or something

[terse knoll]

That's being a chameleon on crack

[royal crow]

but its never truly explained

[terse knoll]

Could be the answer, parasite seems to be too specific in mutation, getting mutation to specifically be invisible would be too much effort

[eternal talon]

personally i don't really follow that line of thinking, as the only sleepers we know even remotely capable of teleportation are the floaters, and of those, it is only locally (within worldline), and that is due to them consuming the same crystals that seemingly power the MWP.

[terse knoll]

Plus invisible sleepers and visible sleepers seem to be living in same areas

[eternal talon]

there is technically another, that being the sleeper edgar encountered in the mines, and that one WAS humanoid in appearance... but i still don't believe it to have been a shadow as he described its appearance quite explicitly, which would have been hard to ascertain if it was invisible.

[royal crow]

lets just be thankful they are not 100% invisble

because if they were
it would be really painful to deal with them

[terse knoll]

Shadow scouts are most confusing

They are invisible but feelers arent

[royal crow]

thats probably a game design flaw

[eternal talon]

try evading tendrils you CANT SEE

[royal crow]

or they just let the feelers be visible so its not too hard

[royal crow]

listen

that would be funny

[terse knoll]

Lore wise, this apocalypse is just diabolic

99% chance to just die

[royal crow]

im still waiting for NAM-V irl

[royal crow]

100%*

[terse knoll]

1% chance to die in a suicide mission in the complex

[eternal talon]

at least in the original worldline, only the virus broke out, so technically within a couple hundred years the planet could slowly rebound.

with sleepers making it to the surface though, ALT// is just forever doomed to become another Destination.

[eternal talon]

Nam-V is literally just god-mode virus

[terse knoll]

OG squad surviving at all is a 1 in a billion chance

[royal crow]

they will die

eventually

[eternal talon]

we are described as being the best of the best across the worldlines...

[terse knoll]

They get to retire on a jungle world

[eternal talon]

assuming they were infected by the end of r8e2, yes.

(which is like 99% likely to be the case, but still 1%)

[terse knoll]

We are the 1%

[royal crow]

theres probably a better team somewhere

[terse knoll]

Who contacts us at end of R8E2?

[royal crow]

Durant

[eternal talon]

we have nothing to go off of after the ending of r8e2, so i suppose it is up to the user to determine if they view it as a "optimistic ending", or an "its all we can do" ending dying slowly on the rocks

[eternal talon]

Durant.

[raw terrace]

nah we the gamers

[royal crow]

one of the members of the EF01 expedition from ALT worldline

[terse knoll]

He is already on the planet?

[royal crow]

In OG they ended up in destination

[eternal talon]

in the original worldline, his team ended up at Destination as a part of the EF01 Mission

[royal crow]

in ALT they ended up there

[eternal talon]

yeah

[terse knoll]

So why did he put traps everywhere?

[royal crow]

because its a new planet?

safety measures

[eternal talon]

EF01 left before the virus got out of control, so he and his team were likely unironically the last ones spared from death to it

[terse knoll]

So how many made it to the jungle planet?

[eternal talon]

we dont know the exact size of his team, but we can estimate

[royal crow]

enough people to rebuild humanity

[hazy ferry]

nanomachines

[raw terrace]

son

[eternal talon]

i'd say about a dozen or so scientists, and then the standard KSO squad of four, of which Bishop was a part of

[royal crow]

MEMES
The DNA of the soul

[hazy ferry]

had no idea what was monsoon was yapping about

[royal crow]

even after years

i still have no idea either

[terse knoll]

So they started a small colony?

[royal crow]

yeah

its not like they can come back to garganta

[terse knoll]

Plant life suggests we got oxygen

[eternal talon]

yes, then more teams were sent through after.

in the case of alt// and the jungle planet, it is likely nobody else was sent through otherwise they'd probably be dead

16-20 people is not a good genetics pool to build a colony...

[royal crow]

lets say we succesfully escaped without the virus

we could use the KDS Deep HSUs

then it would be enough i guess

is 20k enough people for a good genetic pool?

[terse knoll]

Then how do we keep morals intact?

It would get real easy to choose people with good genetics

[royal crow]

nah just wake up everyone

:)

i think in a situation like that is better to have the most people you can

[terse knoll]

Then food supply would be a real issue

Reason why people moved from hunting and gathering was increased population

Would hunt the local fauna into extinction with 20k people

Agriculture takes months and it can fail

[royal crow]

yeah thats a good point

[eternal talon]

you can't though...

you need the hydrokinetic fluid... which is back in garganta...

[royal crow]

its hypothetical

lets say somehow we have enough fluid

[terse knoll]

Can't we send people back to Garganta and they make it back alive?

[royal crow]

we have the MWP but

no way to use it

at least correctly

[eternal talon]

every person going back to garganta just adds about ten more zeros to the chance we come out of this without nam-v

0.000000000.... etc

[royal crow]

also i dont think anyone would like to volunteer themselves into going to a random worldline

maybe the GTFO gang would

[terse knoll]

So sending people back is no go

[royal crow]

but what if we lose them

[terse knoll]

Guess we have to avoid incest?

[eternal talon]

that is also true. we don't have the mega generators to power the warp gate

[terse knoll]

3rd grade cousin should be safe genetics wise

In a colony I mean

[coral gorge]

also the gate is kinda exploded

[eternal talon]

genetic drift is also a problem, arguably more than incest

[coral gorge]

3rr grade cousin as in aged as if they were in 3rd grade or…? =)

[royal crow]

tbh eventually they would rebuild it
they have like knowledge i guess

they just need to gather the materials and shit

[terse knoll]

3rd generation of cousins

[royal crow]

which would take hundreds of years

or thousands

[eternal talon]

unless you want a colony of 5iq hillbillies with one arm and three legs
(exaggeration, but still)

[coral gorge]

listen
We can make it work

[royal crow]

Cubix is part of the 5iq gang

[coral gorge]

Im more like worried about materials

[royal crow]

he knows what he is talking about

trust

[eternal talon]

medieval ages part:2

chop tree, get wood.

[royal crow]

modern medieval ages

[coral gorge]

plus… ehhh do they know how to build it? Durants team wasnt enginners it was scientists

[eternal talon]

post-modern. gtfo is 2060s.

[royal crow]

oh yeah

[coral gorge]

we get to relive the best moments of humanity! Like purging the heretics!

[royal crow]

[coral gorge]

they prolly know how it works but how to connect wires is a diffrent thing

[eternal talon]

yeah, the engis' came later to set up infrasctructure.

[coral gorge]

crane moment

Also isnt that site the same one you can see from R8B2 secondary kraken fight?

[royal crow]

yeah

yeah it is

[coral gorge]

cool

[royal crow]

Frosty using bullpup

[coral gorge]

crane is cool

[coral gorge]

kinda based

also i think thats og r6

[eternal talon]

no, it's still here. probably damaged, but we took it with us

[coral gorge]

so i think bullpup didnt suck?

yeah

exploded

[royal crow]

so we mostly would need energy

lots of energy

[eternal talon]

i love super high rpm guns.

[eternal talon]

several nuclear reactors worth of energy, even

[coral gorge]

And pray it doesnt freak out like it did before

[coral gorge]

so technically in like several centauries

we could become a dimension hopping civilisation

wait

insane theory

[eternal talon]

assuming you don't lose the mwp...

[coral gorge]

we become the collectors

[royal crow]

Hackett, where did You left the MWP?

[eternal talon]

exlies?

[coral gorge]

humanity after thousand years of evolution on jungle planet

[royal crow]

Insane theory

[coral gorge]

masters the mwp

[royal crow]

You should write stories

[coral gorge]

yeah thats kinda supposed to be my job

but ngl that’d be a sick ending

we (or our descendants) were the collectors all along

[eternal talon]

potential problem: why would we ever make nam-v as a bioweapon if we suffered to it in the past?

[coral gorge]

I mean yeah then it gets wonky

[eternal talon]

roko's basilisk?

[coral gorge]

its a surface level theory

Sadly

although, who knows like if the natzis could they’d prolly make nam-v

The japanese brought back an ancient plague

[eternal talon]

agent orange agent GREEN

[coral gorge]

wait new theory

DoW happens on jungle planet centauries after GTFO ends

[eternal talon]

king tut's tomb?

[coral gorge]

and we established a civilisation on it

[coral gorge]

okay i dont know what that is

[eternal talon]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_of_the_pharaohs

[coral gorge]

oh

Scoobi doo would be disapointed in me

[eternal talon]

the mayans beat sleepers with the help of Dante from the Devil May Cry series.

[royal crow]

Maybe they tried to make a bioweapon that fights NAM-v
But it got out of hand

And we know the rest of the story

[eternal talon]

infinite strains of nam-v from infinite attempts to fight it?

[royal crow]

yeah

[coral gorge]

nah, better, the og dante

the guy from that book which i dont know the english name of

[honest summit]

Cant wait for him to Turn Pablo into a tongue whip

[plush nest]

So I have some friends that just started playing and they are asking about the lore of just r1 since they don’t want r2 and so on spoiled, I could be wrong but there isn’t really anything interesting in r1 that happens right?

[solemn kraken]

Nothing really.

[royal crow]

Everything interesting starts on R6

[solemn kraken]

tbf R5 is pretty important as well for getting access to KDS DEEP

[royal crow]

But it really doesnt tell anything unless You have read the logs constantly

At least in R6 You start getting more story through ambience and obviously dialogue

[solemn kraken]

Fair, but still KDS DEEP is very important for the storyline. (R8)

[solemn kraken]

OG R6 but Alt R6 has no dialogue

[royal crow]

ALT R6D1

Thats the only level that has lol

[solemn kraken]

And OG R6 ain't in the game anymore

[solemn kraken]

Only at the very very end. But sure

[royal crow]

Im not sure why they didnt kept the dialogue in the ALT version

Or at least some variation of it

[solemn kraken]

Time and money

They would have had to change all dialogues to fit "sane" Schaeffer

[solemn kraken]

From the Wiki: R1 is us getting access to R2

[plush nest]

Kk I’ll just tell them that

[eternal talon]

the pains of the old rundown system.

OGr1: Quad first woken up. Sent to activate reactors and collect materials/dna samples from HSUs.
OGr2: Nothing important until r2e1 where we collect the Neonatal HSU for later use in r3.
OGr3: Processing the Neonate for data storage, ultimately leaving it behind for another quad to deal with.
OGr4: Nothing important -- just busywork.
OGr5: Cracking the lockdown and restoring power to KDS-DEEP so we can advance and breach its defenses in e1, ending with us giving the WRDN access to the 24,000 KSOs housed inside that were not previously accessible to it.
OGr6: Collecting the Matter Wave Projector, Data Cubes & Genome Database -- mission final interrupted by Schaeffer eliminating the Conduit.
OGr7: Dropping previous objective -- Most of the rundown spent replacing the eliminated Conduit with its replacement completed in D1. At the end of r7 Schaeffer and the newly awoken Henriksson manage to successfully integrate a Memory Stick into a BIOCOM server room, giving them partial control over the system with the restart of the E1 reactor.

JUMP TO ALT...

ALT//r1: Playing as new team, story repeats original in alternate worldline
ALT//r2: Playing as new team, story repeats original in alternate worldline
ALT//r3: Playing as new team, story repeats original in alternate worldline
ALT//r4: Playing as new team, story repeats original in alternate worldline
ALT//r5: Playing as new team, story repeats original in alternate worldline
ALT//r6: ALT//Schaeffer listens to the Conduit. Schaeffer does not declare war on the warden, ALT//r7 does not exist.

---

JUMP TO R8...

With the continued misuse of the Matter Wave Projector, worldlines finally merge into a single strain.

ALT//Quad continues to work with ALT//Schaeffer in effort to escape.
OG//Schaeffer plans to destroy the facility as part of his war against the warden.

---

[plush nest]

ty frosty

[toxic wagon]

rip ALT Quad.

[terse knoll]

Hmm, so OG squad sacrificed Alt Squad?

[solemn kraken]

yep

[terse knoll]

It's risky enough for OG squad to escape to the clean dimension

[coral gorge]

also through D2 and E2 they make a fair bit of comments where they make it quite clear they dont care about ALT teams fate

[royal crow]

every man for himself

its the apocalypse

[terse knoll]

Are we our own squad in nightmare sequences or it's nightmare squad?

[royal crow]

its a "what if" OG squad took the wrong path

[terse knoll]

There are more than 1 nightmare sequence

[royal crow]

oh

[terse knoll]

R8B1 has them from what I know

[royal crow]

i thought you meant A2 sec

[terse knoll]

Nightmare sleepers

[royal crow]

yeah its our own squad on those sequences

we just

warp there

[terse knoll]

Ah

[eternal talon]

Hypothetical:

You are teleported as you are *right now*, into Garganta in the year 2063. You are not a KSO, and for the sake of arguement, are immune to NAM-V but not the parasite. You appear with a Shelling S49, three magazines of ammunition, a three liter bottle of water, a portable water filter, and a 10lb bag of food (your choice). After three months (90 days), you will be returned to your own worldline with any items on your person. How long can you survive? What methods would you employ to succeed?

[sudden quarry]

go long

[raw terrace]

i krill myself

[royal crow]

I would get rid of the gun

Honestly

If i have to use it i'm already dead

After that i would be like schaeffer and move through the walls/vents

[eternal talon]

personally, do you think you could last that long?

[royal crow]

no

[eternal talon]

what do you think would end up doing you in?

[crisp citrus]

If I'm immune to nam v... I can eat the sleepers. Not pleasant but it'd get me through 3 months i think.

I'd just have to make sure they are cooked enough to burn out any parasites I guess?

[warped bloom]

110% nightmare squad, they die and thats it

[cold sphinx]

id shrimp with slendi on this shrimple conclusion

[tranquil sentinel]

But their bodies basically melt into nothing once they die

How would you even sustain yourself down there

[solemn kraken]

Open a couple of dem HSU's

[coral gorge]

say hello to plot hole nr 20, not all sleepers should melt

i think the white ones shouldnt and the red/black ones should (or the other way around)

[coral gorge]

Sweet sweet canibalism

[solemn kraken]

True there are not melted sleepers in some levels

[tranquil sentinel]

But those are humans who died during their mutation, no?

And is eating sleepers cannibalism?

[solemn kraken]

No no sleepers. R7B3 ovl room comes to mind

Straight up dead sleepers lying around

[tranquil sentinel]

Wtf

[coral gorge]

yeah

[solemn kraken]

I'm not talking about the half mutated bodies you see everywhere

[coral gorge]

Theres a log that explains it all

and the gameplay outright denies the log

So thats fun

[tranquil sentinel]

I'm at R5 right now

[solemn kraken]

R7B3 ovl room is not the only one. but it's very rare

[coral gorge]

I think R7C1 had some too right?

In the big s scan room

[solemn kraken]

I don't remember tbh. Those might have been just human bodies

I can't remember where I saw the sleeper bodies other than R7B3 ovl but I have seen them in other places

[coral gorge]

wait didnt scheaffers hole have a dead sleeper in it too?

[solemn kraken]

YES

upstairs

So R6BX also has it

[tranquil sentinel]

So Schaeffer munched on dead sleeper meat

[coral gorge]

Yeah theres defo more of them
Also i think R8 has a lot of corpses in nighmare dimension

[coral gorge]

Probably

[tranquil sentinel]

What did he drink then

[coral gorge]

otherwise he is a super human who doesnt need to eat

[coral gorge]

his own piss

[solemn kraken]

R8 even has the not finished mother corpse lying around

[tranquil sentinel]

No way that's possible

[coral gorge]

wait really? Where? I completely missed that i think

[coral gorge]

wasnt there a guy who did it irl

[solemn kraken]

I mean there is water in the complex

[solemn kraken]

R8B1

[tranquil sentinel]

Yeah but I'm sure that you can't re-drink it infinitely

[coral gorge]

also yeah i guess he had other sources like dis packs and the couple puddles/weird lakes

[coral gorge]

listen lore-wise scheaffers entire existance is a plot hole

[tranquil sentinel]

Aren't there plants down there?

[solemn kraken]

You'll get very sick after a while

[coral gorge]

there are

meth

[solemn kraken]

there are

[tranquil sentinel]

Assuming that they are native to earth

[coral gorge]

i mean its not meth

[tranquil sentinel]

They need water

[coral gorge]

except it is

[tranquil sentinel]

Maybe he cracked at a water supply tank or something

[solemn kraken]

No but you can straight up find water. it's there

[tranquil sentinel]

Yeah, hopefully

[coral gorge]

Scheaffer is just skilled enough to will water into existance

[tranquil sentinel]

I think I'm just not going to question anything like that about the games lore anymore

I'll just believe

[coral gorge]

just dont question how scheaffer lived and you’re fine

[gray bone]

I mean there is a garden

[solemn kraken]

You should cause as far as we know there is only one toilet in the whole complex

[gray bone]

Water exists around there theoretically

[tranquil sentinel]

That's not a problem, I'm sure there's a decent amount of buckets

And pants

[coral gorge]

i wish you could pee on sleepers to assert dominance

[solemn kraken]

No but think about it. the whole complex with tons of workers....

[tranquil sentinel]

I hate this

[coral gorge]

Okay listen up
A worker taking a toilet break reduces their effectiveness. If the workers just pee their pants they can work all day!

making it more effective!

marvelous

why dont companies do this irl?

[tranquil sentinel]

You sound like Amazon's HR

[coral gorge]

actually some prolly do

[solemn kraken]

Yeah but it's not only werkers executives, scientists etc were also down there

[solemn kraken]

Law. straight up just that

[coral gorge]

What do you mean, no that male coworker didnt assault you they just said hi in a very… very odd way! You should accept him being diffrent than you and not be xenophobic!

[coral gorge]

since when do companies care about that

[coral gorge]

scientists and executives get the single toilet

ez

[tranquil sentinel]

Okay Activision

You also might want to care about the law if there are people willing to enforce it

[coral gorge]

I hate minorities

(thats twitter)

[coral gorge]

Are there tho?

a suprising lot of countries dont give a fuck

ekhm, usa, ekhm

[royal crow]

Wtf

[royal crow]

Maybe the ones that were artificially created melt (sleeper babies and respawn sacks)

Meanwhile the ones that are actually human dont melt

[coral gorge]

Im sure when frostyy shows up she can pull up the exact log, it had smth to do with the colour of the sleeper

[royal crow]

Wait

So there is racism in the complex

God damn

[coral gorge]

yes thats why dauda is black

cause of racism

[royal crow]

Yeah

[eternal talon]

not purely a log... simply a collection of observations.

• we find the corpses of white sleepers, we do not for red.
• white sleepers are only encountered asleep (besides blood doors). Red sleepers are only encountered awake.
• the merch store baby sleeper isn't a white baby, but a red one (so variants of seemingly every type exists).
• 7GY-HYP-SDW (There are cross-species behavioral distinctions that separate all species within the genus. The dark-skinned variants tend to be more active hunters, suggesting the darker pigmentation is a product of natural selection. They are harder to see and therefore more successful predators. The light skinned breed are still vicious and will attack at the slightest provocation, but they do not seek the prey as actively, they are more disposed to sedentary, almost somnific, behavior. They wait, and strike when roused.)
• 21M-CEW-49B (The fact that their corpses do not dematerialize may indicate that these specimens are a different variant from the others, or that the physiology of the "Gallus" genus is eclectic depending on the environment in which they develop.)
• 57H-K78-EVR (According to Captain Puente they are coordinated and highly aggressive. I have asked the soldiers to capture one but they tell me the creatures disappear before their corpses can be recovered. Not disappear… vanish, maybe? It's probably a translation issue.)

[eternal talon]

Basically, it is a difference in canon and gameplay.

In gameplay, all sleepers melt because obviously they do, otherwise every kill would add a stacking hit to performance.

In lore, only the red variants do.

[tranquil sentinel]

so you could chow down on white sleeper flesh

nice

now that we have food and water covered: fuck no lmao im killing myself after i realise what ive awoken to, theres no way that im surviving and not going mad

[gusty wagon]

also the NAM-V would getcha. scrape yourself and its over unless you take a dip in the hydrostasis sargophagus for like 6 weeks

[eternal talon]

...for the sake of arguement, are immune to NAM-V but not the parasite....

[gusty wagon]

ah, missed that

[eternal talon]

otherwise yeah, would be pretty much impossible

even if you survived, you'd likely bring nam-v back to IRL once the challenge is completed

[tranquil sentinel]

Oh shit yeah

Time to cause another pandemic

[plush nest]

Yippie

[crisp citrus]

Tbh the parasite thing

Really depends on how the parasite works

Can I boil the parasite eggs and eat them??

Is the parasite big enough for me to conceivably stop it getting into my body?? Or is it one of those "yea it burrowed in through the 1 mm of showing skin sorry man"

[solemn kraken]

Who says it lays eggs?

[crisp citrus]

When you shoot sleepers and they explode

Eggs go everywhere

You also find them on corpses I think

Unless I'm insane

[solemn kraken]

They might just be eggs the sleepers keep around for their lunch time

[crisp citrus]

All I know is there's early GTFO footage of shooting sleepers with the eggs exploding all over the place and it's goofy

[crisp citrus]

True

[warped bloom]

Its disgusting

[solemn kraken]

can't make an omelet without breaking some eggs m8

[eternal talon]

You are correct. The devs have even called them "eggs" in interviews, despite the fact they give off no heat signature on thermals

[crisp citrus]

They're just kept cool

In reality

Perhaps the eggs aren't ripe

So they're just early stage

In which case WE CAN EAT THEM

garganta omelette

[solemn kraken]

Add bacon to it and we talkin

[eternal talon]

Where would you find bacon down here?

[loud urchin]

Well the workers of garganta had to eat something

must be a spare bacon sarny somewhere

[royal crow]

im pretty sure after like 10 years the food is no good

[coral gorge]

listen, does mexico have strict food regulations?

if no, its possible your food can survive a decade, although if that is the case i prolly wouldnt call it food in the first place

[royal crow]

erm

one google search can answer that

[coral gorge]

I have better things to do than google mexico

[royal crow]

like google deez

or google silk song release date?

oh wait

it doesnt exist

[coral gorge]

frog yourself and stop copying kaiser

[royal crow]

damn

u mad?

come here let me give you a hug

[solemn kraken]

Make it out of sleepers

[eternal talon]

Hypothetical:

You are a developer working on GTFO 2. You are tasked with designing a new, unique worldline to visit in the same vein as Destination was for the original game. What would it look like? What unique challenges or sleepers would it feature? What would it's relevance to the story be?

[hazy ferry]

unique challenges: hel weapons and scattergun, burst cannon removal

[tough wave]

Mayans vs Sleepers would go fuckin insane

[coral gorge]

wow im the only one who wants to see daylight team try their best

[coral gorge]

i'd wanna see smth like street fighting esque stuff, so prolly a wordline with some delapitated buildings, perhaps the remains of an alternate earth

[crisp citrus]

Abandoned collector ship area, missions are about finding the cubes and fragments to return to main line with research and components possibly used for curing nam-v/vaccine. Missions done for warden, but with Schaeffer having personal requests related to alien weapons for supplying his KSO army. Area design is unique with gravity letting you walk on some walls, as well as enemies. Other gravity things like mini spacial tears that curve bullet paths towards it, requiring aim adjustment. Enemy types are based on sleepers mixed in with some of the alien stuff. Heat laser weapon enemy replacing shooters, projectiles don't curve toward you but have no travel time, you have to avoid by moving a different direction when it shoots so it misses. Maybe some enemies with weak points being exposed after melee only.

[royal crow]

i think people dont know how cool would it be a Mayan vs Sleepers game

[crisp citrus]

It'd be GTFO with melee only

And more melee combos

[royal crow]

not really

imagine being able to throw spears

11/10

[crisp citrus]

Perhaps

Throwing knives instead of guns

[royal crow]

why just dont throw the gun

[tranquil sentinel]

The melee combat in GTFO sucks tbh, I don't want to fight off waves of them with pointy rocks on long sticks

[hazy ferry]

But you can fight off waves with either knives or hammers

[tranquil sentinel]

Arguably even worse because less range

You should abandon melee combat and build fortifications

Less sacrifices for the sun god and more labour

[coral gorge]

no, glory to sun god

[cold sphinx]

Silk song goddess

:3

[eternal talon]

...We send our sacrificial warriors down into the pit. They are armed with the best we have, and are the strongest among us. They know they cannot return. They must destroy as much as they can, for if they cannot, all will be lost...

(literal small army of melee only doom slayers, ripping and tearing sleepers and fallen comrades apart alike. They know is it a suicide mission, but it is a suicide mission they do for their people)

Something like Chivalry 2 or Mordhau dynamic dismemberment melee combat would be fucking EPIC

[tranquil sentinel]

now were talking

though directional attacks for sleepers would be a little bit finnicky

a simple block/parry mechanic would do with you having to stab the tongue attacks (kind of like how chambering works in mordhau)

shields would be nice too

bows and arrows could deal weak bleed damage but deal a precision bonus if they hit weakspots

same with throwing spears

[tranquil sentinel]

and tearing off limbs could actually slow them down

[toxic wagon]

So make your stamina situation absolute shit

[tranquil sentinel]

stamina is not an issue when youre going in half naked with little gear to carry

were not drugged up combat slaves whose hearts implode if they run a kilometer

[eternal talon]

Now a new question arises, what would be the "meta" weapon in such a game?

[royal crow]

Rocks

[cold sphinx]

nothing

[warped bloom]

Scatter slingshot

[wicked heath]

I've never used NVIDIA's game filter on games before but I really like the filter with this game. Left PIC is without the filter.

[raw terrace]

three shotgun sentries jesus fuck
also eh i think it might look better with something like the old light engine but also would make it way more crisp and maybe even a lil deepfried

[wicked heath]

I'll take a screenshot in the expedition when I get into the game...environment looks way different with the filter...

[gray bone]

It probs looks crispier

The textures have better outlines too it seems

[wicked heath]

Yes it does... Way crisper

Also pairing the shotgun sentries with the tracker works really well...

[gray bone]

This isn't really lore talk
Maybe discuss this in #gtfo-chat or somewhere where people frequent if you want to share stuff about... you know, the game?

Either way, shotgun sentries aren't well regarded for good reasons
You'll see eventually

[wicked heath]

Ahh gotcha

[wicked heath]

Yea...much crisper...Left is without the filter...

[warped bloom]

lore goes crazy

bro did not gotcha

[wicked heath]

I can't post screenshots in the other channels except this one apparently :/

[royal crow]

#gtfo-media exists

Wdym

[gray bone]

I mean there's a reason
Lore people have graphs and stuff they want to post

That's why there's perms here for those

For the rest, post your stuff in #gtfo-media

[tranquil sentinel]

Right click the server icon and tick "list all channels" if you can't see it anywhere

Discord is stupid

[cold sphinx]

@raw terrace slendi lore

[wicked heath]

I didn't see that channel... Thank you 🙏

[raw terrace]

me when me when me when

[cold sphinx]

So slendi

So chair

So moody

It can only be slendi

[eternal talon]

Hypothetical:

You are aware that NAM-V will break out of the Yucatan in three years and wreak havoc across the planet. You are as you are now, and for the sake of argument, the world is the same as it is IRL, and NAM-V escapes via its periodical earthquake rather than Santonian digging. How would you prepare to attempt to survive such an apocalyptic scenario? Would you even try? Would you maybe even try to warn the world in an effort to prevent it?

(I hope you are enjoying my Hypotheticals, it is an attempt to keep this channel active and alive)

[sudden quarry]

go long

[eternal talon]

I genuinely don't know what that means.

[warped bloom]

Make big friends with dr durant

[coral gorge]

I use my future knowledge to predict economic situations and such, allowing me to become president of either usa, france or uk and then nuke the yucatan into oblivion

ez, world pandemic prevented via nuclear fire

[next panther]

Obviously haven’t reached pro player status

[gray bone]

Does it mean kiting?

[loud urchin]

go long or so long

[royal crow]

@coral gorge

[regal olive]

the only way to survive namv is to create a self sustaining environment that cannot come into contact with the outside world

which you can't do

not really

i would live a hedonistic life for the 3 coming years, then clock out when the time came

¯_(ツ)_/¯

The only strategy is to like, try and work overtime at 2 jobs and take out loans so you can build a self sustaining bunker

but then your life would be playing videogames indoors for years until you eventually die of starvation or disease

or something breaks and you suffocate

[coral gorge]

i mean hmmm
Tbf thats what a fair bit of people already do so yknow…

[regal olive]

yeah but

no internet

no memes

no discord friends

[coral gorge]

Oh

i mean

as long as you have power you should have the internet alive

and friends are… friends are optional

[regal olive]

mental health is unfortunately not optional

trust me i stay indoors all my life but its not the same

[coral gorge]

just do psychology studies in those couple years and be your own therapist

ez

=)

[regal olive]

you cant because you'll be working 18 hours overtime every day to get enough money for the bunker

[coral gorge]

Thats just a skill issue
Just make the bunker yourself

[regal olive]

yeah but materials and stuff

[coral gorge]

Ehh you could figure smth out, i believe

although i think my idea of nuking mexico is still better

[regal olive]

what would be your lan

plan

oh shit

so wait wahts the strat

[coral gorge]

With building a bunker or nuking mexico?

[regal olive]

any

what would u do

[coral gorge]

heres my nuke mexico plan

[regal olive]

ok lets say that you do have the ability to nuke mexico

how would that do anything

you'd have to place the nuke like inside the crater

which you wont be able to do because it'll be opened with the earthquake

[coral gorge]

as for bunker:
You get some cheap labour (friends or some other doomer cult idiots), have them build and finance the bunket and then you pray to god it doesnt fall apart

[coral gorge]

I mean, if i nuke the crater, garganta’s entrance will be… well gone. So then you just place the thing under quarantine (cause you just fucking glassed the place) and no one ever digs there again

and if kovac or santonian try to just sue them out of existance for corruption

[regal olive]

@eternal talon yo can you elaborate

[regal olive]

wasn't the premise that garganta wasn't a thing

and the earthquake would just release it

[coral gorge]

wait was it

[regal olive]

so you have 3 years before an earthquake hits and it starts

i think so

[coral gorge]

am i re*arded

oh

i am

[eternal talon]

on what?

[eternal talon]

as if it broke out now

[regal olive]

on the hypothetical premise

[eternal talon]

not in 2050

as in, IRL world, not GTFO world

[coral gorge]

reading ability is non existant for me

cool

sooooo

change of plans, i nuke the yucatan right after the earthquake

[regal olive]

yeah so, IRL scenario, in 3 years from today and earthquake happens and NAMV gets released

[coral gorge]

and pray to god nam-v dies to radiation

[regal olive]

oh NAMV plus parasite or just NAMV

[coral gorge]

or rather

all its hosts die to radiation

[regal olive]

FROSTY we require information

if it's just NAMV that gets released you could survive it

because it'll die out after killing everything on earth

[coral gorge]

tbf same for parasite and nam-v as long as it never leaves the americas

[regal olive]

oh but it will

it spreads through everything

[eternal talon]

just nam-v, OG worldline style

[coral gorge]

i mean, cuba lived for a while

[regal olive]

oh shit this is survivable

[coral gorge]

sweet, just glass all of mexico after the earthquake

[eternal talon]

like how the red cross people got infected when trying to help with disaster cleanup when the earthquake happened

[coral gorge]

All hosts get erased, nam-v fuxcking dies

im so good at solving world problems

[royal crow]

Yes

[eternal talon]

who are you irl? the head of the dept of defense?

where would you get access to nukes?

[coral gorge]

Us president

[royal crow]

Wtf no

[coral gorge]

=)

or france or uk

or china i guess

[coral gorge]

Didnt ask for your opinion, mexican

[royal crow]

Chinese Cubix

[regal olive]

cubix assumes he can use future knowldge to get elected

and then glass mexico

[coral gorge]

yeah

flawless plan

[eternal talon]

your biggest problem there is convincing a country that this thing exists, and that taking it out and NUKING HALF A COUNTRY is worth it

[regal olive]

xD

[eternal talon]

only future knowledge is of what nam-v is, where its gonna come from, and when

[coral gorge]

listen
If trump could hypethetically do it
I can do it

[regal olive]

yeah i got that

[eternal talon]

you dont get like future lotto numbers or whatever

[coral gorge]

well that sucks

[regal olive]

honestly if it's just namv and it dies out in like

[coral gorge]

i gotta play fair then and pray

[regal olive]

idk 2 months

i think i could survive

i'd need a very solid ventilation plan

[coral gorge]

yeah alternatively you cut all travel from americas and are golden

[regal olive]

but i think that's about it

[regal olive]

it will spread through the atmosphere

outside air and water will be infected

[coral gorge]

if you tell me it can go through the air through like

the entire atlantic

[regal olive]

it does though

[coral gorge]

but didnt reach cuba

then im calling bs

[regal olive]

idk how namv works

in my head it spreads everywhere endlessly

then dies out

and if it has the parasite it just doesnt die

[eternal talon]

it needs contact. it can spread through any medium, but what it is trying to infect has to actually be there

it can survive on surfaces for ~5 weeks iirc

[regal olive]

so namv isn't airborne?

[eternal talon]

it is

air is a medium

[regal olive]

so it doesn't need contact

well yeah air currents can bring it to europe

[coral gorge]

aka the virus particles NEED to reach their target

[regal olive]

and it can infect fish and shit

to spread through the ocean

[eternal talon]

also yes

[regal olive]

and ocean currents can bring it to europe

[eternal talon]

thats likely how it hit the UK and florida at the same time

through ocean currents

[coral gorge]

id assume a fish lasts less than 5 weeks

[coral gorge]

wasnt that just the one sucker fleeing to uk

[eternal talon]

with nam-v? most likely. it'd be dead fast

[coral gorge]

and coughing on people along the way

[eternal talon]

the log said ON FOOT....

i dont think he was running across the seafloor

that was to maricopa

[coral gorge]

well id still say he infected others who travelled

patient 0 didnt reach the uk clearly

[eternal talon]

maricopa is in AZ, so he went north through mexico and crossed the border into the US

[regal olive]

ok so to survive a NAMV outbreak you need to survive until it dies out

[eternal talon]

basically

[regal olive]

so we have to calculate how long that would take

[coral gorge]

and like thats how covid worked, you infected someone who went on a flight and then covid appeared in a diff country

[eternal talon]

suvive long enough for everyone else to die, then five more weeks for the virus itself

[coral gorge]

A couple years at most

and thats very generous for nam-v

[regal olive]

that's too much time though

[eternal talon]

is it?

[regal olive]

like you can't breathe outside air

you'd need a bunker

[eternal talon]

i mean some crazy folks plan to live for years in bomb shelters in the case of nuclear war

[coral gorge]

not really

[regal olive]

and air that circulates inside over and over

[coral gorge]

its not like every meter of air will be full of the virus

[regal olive]

it is airborne so you have to assume it's in the air

especially when it's infecting every liveform

[eternal talon]

you'd just need the world's strongest filter or some way to recycle air like astronauts do aboard the ISS

[regal olive]

and they're all coughing and dying

[coral gorge]

It can only multiply in a host so as long as you are far from any infectees or recently dead you should be fine

[regal olive]

"just"

i don't really think so

[coral gorge]

hey thats the plan
Become an astronaut

ez survival

[regal olive]

yeah but then you can't come back home lmao

nobody left

[eternal talon]

also i doubt you'd managed to become an astronaut in as little as three years unless you were already basically in training

[coral gorge]

ehhh, go into the swiss mountains or some other alaska hole and sit there

[coral gorge]

fair

[coral gorge]

untrue

the rich ass holes and a few lucky people would survivr

[eternal talon]

wow, what great company

[regal olive]

yeah but they dont care nor know how to get you back home

[coral gorge]

so you atleast get to bang some people who should be hot

[coral gorge]

I think that’d be the least of my concern after 90% of humanity dies ngl

[regal olive]

yeah so if you were in space you'd stay in space

[coral gorge]

ah

[regal olive]

because 95% of nasa will die

so you don't have anyone left to get you home once it's over

[coral gorge]

hmm fair astronaut plan has a lot of flaws

but chilling in alaska or other god forsaken hole seems like a good plan

[eternal talon]

Hypothetical:

Could Isaac Clarke from Dead Space survive in the previous hypothetical?

[regal olive]

yes

just yes

he's a genius engineer

he can make a bunker and chill

[coral gorge]

Ehhh if he hid in a hole yes
If he stayed in a city or such he would fucking die

[regal olive]

he is perfectly equipped for this

[eternal talon]

i'm not too familiar how his helmet or suit works for keeping out particulates

[regal olive]

he doesn't need a suit

[coral gorge]

minus a non existant sanity

[regal olive]

he can chill underground

[regal olive]

what? no, he's the most sane person in dead space because he has 1 billion IQ

[coral gorge]

Best solution:
become mole

[royal crow]

Yes

[regal olive]

issac is very sane

[royal crow]

His suit Will protect him

Like

[regal olive]

YOU CAN'T EAT WITH A SUIT ON YOU IDIOTS

AND YOU CAN ONLY SHIT YOUR PANTS SO MUCH

[royal crow]

Watch me

[regal olive]

DECONTAMINATION IS A PROBLEM

[coral gorge]

im p sure thats how people in lovecraft and poes works go insane

[coral gorge]

Eat your own shit and drink your piss
If he is such a chad he can handle it

[royal crow]

Didnt the Marker affected those who were really smart tho

[eternal talon]

Hypothetical:

500 sleepers vs 500 necromorphs.

round 1: ishimura, sleepers arrive via shuttle crashing into the side of the ship
round 2: garganta, necromorphs come from the surface
round 3: new york city, both start in opposite corners of the subway system

(further infection of civilians if present is allowed)

[regal olive]

afaik the marker couldn't affect him as strongly because he was such a main character smart

others got brainwashed way harder

[royal crow]

Necromorphs win

No difference

[coral gorge]

3rd round the new york rats win

[regal olive]

i think sleepers win because they infect necromorphs

namv is a bioweapon to glass planets so it would work

[royal crow]

Bro what

[eternal talon]

would nam-v be able to kill the necromorphs even if sleepers lost?

[regal olive]

likely

[royal crow]

Yes

[coral gorge]

yeah if necros can get nam-ved the sleepers will die and then the necros would replace them

[eternal talon]

so this is a technicality match

[coral gorge]

i suppose

[eternal talon]

ignoring nam-v finishing them off weeks after the battle

[royal crow]

Sleeper necromorphs
Now that would be scary

[regal olive]

necromorphs win physically any day

sleepers can't even handle a sledgehammer blow

[eternal talon]

hosts need to be alive. necromorphs are reanimated, aren't they?

[regal olive]

they get stomped

[royal crow]

Kind off

[solemn kraken]

The ending of DS1 implies that he was very very much under influence of the markers.

DS2 is Isaac basically being bat shit crazy due to marker all the way till the end.

DS3 he still is affected somewhat but he dies at the end anyways.

[eternal talon]

maybe, but consider mothers, tanks, and respawn sacks constantly resupplying the never-ending horde

[royal crow]

They are alive but they can't die unless they get burned down and i mean every single cell

[regal olive]

oh i didnt know that

[eternal talon]

necromorphs can't resupply new forces that fast

[royal crow]

We never kill necromoprhs

[coral gorge]

wow ds3 spoilers, so rude

[regal olive]

you said 500 and also i necromorphs shouldn't really care

[solemn kraken]

He dies AFTER losing to the markers (moons)

[royal crow]

Nah
He solos the moons

[solemn kraken]

Game is out for sooo long

[eternal talon]

to start with

[regal olive]

they can cut them in half with their arms

[solemn kraken]

Nope he dies to them

[regal olive]

well if sleepers have infinite fighters then yeah they'd win lol

[coral gorge]

its like saying vader is lukes father cmon man

so rude

=)

[solemn kraken]

Ah yes and vader was likes father all along

[eternal talon]

its a fundamental challenge with the sleepers. the necromorphs would have to be able to kill them fast enough to get to the nests and stop the respawning

[royal crow]

Necromoprhs also have
Tanks, bipods, tripods, pregnants, the dog variants, spitters, the regenerator

Uuuuuuh

What else do they have

[eternal talon]

• it would take time for the sleepers to build such nests

[regal olive]

i think they could honestly

necromorphs go nuts

[coral gorge]

Yeah true star wars fans know luke was vaders father all along

[eternal talon]

how smart are they? would they know to go straight after it though?

[regal olive]

sleepers die to 3 revolver shots or a solid sledgehammer blow

necromorphs need to be amputated

repeatedly

and are way stronger

[royal crow]

And Even then they don't truly die

[eternal talon]

not if the parasite detects that and starts PUMPING out franks

[coral gorge]

fortunately, necros dont use guns or hammers
Hence sleepers win

[solemn kraken]

did you know that jar jar binks was Anakins father ?

[eternal talon]

the whole point of scouts and the like is the parasite adapting to best fit the hive

[regal olive]

i never believed parasite was a hivemind

and also i think pablo isn't immortal

[royal crow]

It isnt

[coral gorge]

Impossible! I thought it was the weird fly man from tatoine

[royal crow]

It never was

[regal olive]

it's just for gameplay reasons