gtfo-lore

[plush nest]

nvm i am just dumb, just ignore me

[past flume]

and it would need to come froma fuel source which is obviously not present in this cell

[past flume]

it's good

[fresh gyro]

Extremely sillious of you

[past flume]

we all have our off moments

[plush nest]

im a chem major btw, which makes it even worse

[past flume]

oof

[fresh gyro]

:/

[plush nest]

ya

[past flume]

Best I got is a 5 in gcse chemistry (it's a british thing)

[fresh gyro]

Also it's literally a fuel cell

[plush nest]

5?

[fresh gyro]

When have you heard of a fuel cell using combustion

How would that even

[past flume]

it's like a C grade

[fresh gyro]

Rip

[plush nest]

magic

[fresh gyro]

What's it out of

[fresh gyro]

<3

When are these so called "chemists" going to make my fuel cell use combustion

[past flume]

it goes from U (ungraded) to 9 with 4 being a pass (and gcse is basically middle school level)

[fresh gyro]

Ah

[royal crow]

https://tenor.com/view/dmc-devil-may-cry-dante-what-the-hell-is-this-wtf-gif-18707536

[fresh gyro]

Pebbles confirmed????

Pebbles will make me a fuel cell with combustion

[plush nest]

to busy making sure that the first years dont blow anything up or do anything dumb

[fresh gyro]

These so called "chemists" would never

[fresh gyro]

Real

[eternal talon]

This is the most active this channel has been in about a month

And it's been the same topic all day

[royal crow]

Frostty

sorry to inform you

but it will be like that

from now on

have you seen gtfo chat?

[eternal talon]

No? This is a one-channel server to me.

[royal crow]

:)

lets say someone doesnt like hel shotgun so chat becomes a shitshow

[past flume]

me when I was a general dweller

[coral gorge]

wait no way we still talking about generators

[royal crow]

co

so

[eternal talon]

They are

[royal crow]

Cubix

tell me how a generator works

[eternal talon]

I just stopped by

Saw 52 unread messages and DMC4

[coral gorge]

No.

[royal crow]

DID YOU JUST SAID?

DEVIL MAY CRY 4?

[eternal talon]

^

[royal crow]

https://tenor.com/view/lethal-company-dance-boogie-jetlius-gif-4385289631831046414

[coral gorge]

lol

[royal crow]

i totally frogot i sent that

[coral gorge]

this is insanity

[royal crow]

as long as it isnt hel shotgun discussion

[eternal talon]

The c02 Intake goes round and round...

Round and round...

[past flume]

stuck in an infinite rotation of worthlessness

there's something to be found there

[fresh gyro]

mcfcs are clearly gtfo lore???? <3

[fresh gyro]

cubix what do you think the best type of cell is

favorite reaction

rn

sorry but to quote a friend in chem, "those are certainly words"

[plush nest]

yep reading things back, i realise that i need to slow down and think things

[loud urchin]

yeah combustion is about reaction with oxygen, not producing carbon dioxide and water iirc

combusting lithium will never give you a carbon compound

[fresh gyro]

combustion is just combining oxygen with something

™️

[solar nova]

But literally why. The preference seems entirely arbitrary. There's just no evidence of a warping into by the X team, when we could instead just explain it as the alt team, along with everyone else, witnessing mergers.

And we should expect mergers to be more likely to be close to R8 chronologically than R1.

[plush nest]

Wait MCFC molten carbonate fuel cell

My god I am dumb

[coral gorge]

i mean, that would mean a team warps into R6CX shortly after the fall tho

which is even further away from R8

[solar nova]

After the fall?

[coral gorge]

isnt the schaeffer log descirbing it from right after garganta fell?

[solar nova]

No?

[coral gorge]

wait really?

i thought it was before he even became a KSO

[solar nova]

No evidence of that.

[coral gorge]

id have to look at the log again

[solar nova]

It looks like it's Alt Schaeffer digging into the legion program.

[coral gorge]

i swear i always thought it was from pre KSO scheaffer

[solar nova]

^ Log in question

[eternal talon]

yeah... this sounds waaaay too sane to be our crazy psychopathic schaeffer.

empathy isnt in his sandbox at all

@coral gorge

[peak jay]

Now that we know the lore of the wiring system on the complex

Does the warden actively use other groups of prisoners, or just the main 4, or multiple versions of the main 4? In the pre-game selection for levels there's the fatality rate and the "recorded transmissions" that give a hint about the level. Are those other groups of prisoners that are thrown at the mission before us and died (like Schaeffer's group) and we just happen to be the successful ones every time, or are we hearing our own messages? I guess it depends on if you think the level selection screen is canon

[solar nova]

Sane, logical, empathetic... is literally alt Schaeffer. That's, like, his entire character in left-side R8.

It's also who he is in AltR3.

It's also also who he is in AltR6D1, the Warden isn't our enemy and all.

[gilded vine]

The warden does make use of other prisoners. It is noted in the lore that our primary team is the most successful and efficient. So my thoughts are that its either these other teams run in parallel and then we are sent there afterwards when they fail. or they are sent first, fail and then we are sent in with the warden trying to preserve our team if necessary. We know this, as we can find a log where schaeffers team is shown, with the team slowly being marked as dead, and schaeffer vanishing

[harsh pike]

honestly it's mixed. AWOL references prisoners carrying some heavy objects, which we don't do because Schaeffer/ Henny send us to the mainframe level. but Chaos talks about the immortal, which the other team shouldn't have encountered considering they wouldn't be going to the same place our squad was

unless massively coincidental the other team in r7e1 was ALSO sent to the exact same area and somehow locked the immortal back behind the door

unless there's more than 1. I assumed the encounters in R7E1 were all the same one

[tiny vessel]

so for r8c1 where did the datasphere go?

[royal crow]

have you done R8C2 yet?

i guess you havent reach that part yet

[tiny vessel]

yes but tbh im pretty dumb

im assuming the og team interrupts alt team?

[royal crow]

the OG team took the datasphere and extracted the data

then they gave the data to ALT team

[tiny vessel]

oh

rip memory

[mortal pivot]

Dont you get the datasphere in r8b4?

r8c1's about the coordinates in the uplinks

[royal crow]

you do
then you start R8C2 with the datasphere

you take it to the machine

[tiny vessel]

used it in c2 i guess

[royal crow]

to extract the data

[mortal pivot]

yes

but he asked for r8c1 datasphere so I was trying to remember if Main had a datasphere in it

[royal crow]

nope

R8C1 is all about terminals

😔

fuck terminals

[tiny vessel]

btw for r8d2 or c2 onwards og schaffer just continued dropping the prisoners down?

[royal crow]

theres a debate on that

some people say someone else is dropping us
other people say its us dropping ourselves

but tbh
i think the drop is just gameplay wise
and story wise we move ourselves without the lift

[tiny vessel]

makes sense since we extract to a black screen

do the hsu's automatically implant the kso chips or does the warden do it for the non kso people entering the hsu's? for example dauda

2nd makes more sense to me

[burnt wren]

Most likely second, but how does he do that is a mystery.

Either there's a quake style automated KSO assembly line out there or... Someone does it manually...

And yes, R8 drops are a game mechanic. Game doesn't know how to deploy us in any different way. They would have to make a custom intro sequence / loading screen.

Which is frankly disappointing they didn't. How hard is it to program the game to fade to black after pressing "initiate drop" , then just have the game blast into your face once it's loaded.

The R8C2 "mission done" surprise screen was clever though, i give them at least that.

[eternal talon]

Stroggification

[solemn wagon]

the doctor (parasite removal) scene from scorn

[honest summit]

Looking at the Mission depths, it is kinda hard to believe since we are ascending some actual greater hights. C2 is 1364 Meters deep, D2 is 1254 Meters deep and E2 is 1004 Meters deep. I hardly believe they Just took a stroll through the entire complex. While the Last 250 Meters during a meltdown

Who knows, maybe they are Just gigachads climbing through the big hole without any climbing gear

In heinsight, we have never Seen any elevators whatsoever. I Wonder how were all of the workers descending to the lower levels

Would be kinda funny If they used Teleports for that lmao

[kind lotus]

guys sorry but may i ask about hendrick? what happen to him anad where i can find the evidence about it?

courious since it is said he died or get killed but i didnt know where i can find the evidence about him in r8

[honest summit]

He Fell off

Schaeffer gave him the Maddox Treatment

Probably its only implied. No concrete evidence

[kind lotus]

what is madox treatment?

[kind lotus]

fell off like fell liteally?

[honest summit]

Schaeffer strangled Maddox in one of the missions

[honest summit]

As in dead

[kind lotus]

ah i see

[coral gorge]

R8B3 intercepted transmission

most likely Henriksons final moments

[next scroll]

can someone explain what purpose and who Dr. Hammerstein has/is

[coral gorge]

Hammerstein was basically the lead scentist for everything sleeper/alien related

and was also a jackadd

Damn jacka- gets automodded

[next scroll]

yeah i understand

one guy was showing me R8A2 and i was so confused as to who that is

[vestal haven]

Guys

[honest summit]

Lads

[coral gorge]

People

[vestal haven]

gentlemen

[honest summit]

fellas

[vestal haven]

homies

[coral gorge]

Its an easter egg, highly unliky Hammerstein actually had such an experiment. That saying experiments similiar to that were conducted.

[vestal haven]

how does hydrostasis work exactly

if it’s ever explained

[fresh gyro]

There's hydro

And you stasis

[honest summit]

You get in, do a little bit of Zzzz, and then lose your memories

[vestal haven]

I would just turn wrinkly and rot in there

[coral gorge]

Amino-smth fluid keeps your body from dying, all your life functions stop and are then restarted via some technology

and also your brain can melt if done incorectly (madox)

[vestal haven]

pretty neat

[next scroll]

plus you get a shit tonn of drugs into your body to the point where you forgor (aka, memory loss)

[coral gorge]

I think the reason for memory loss might have been the fact the brain connections die off in the HSU but even then, i dont think we ever got a definitive answer

[next scroll]

yeah but i would consider the drugs that the HSU’s induce into your body would result in someform of memory loss. Especially after a prolonged period of time

like they did in the Legion program

[coral gorge]

I mean… legion mostly relied on cortex chips (and also the hsu side efect)

[honest summit]

the drugs are being sanctioned only while opening. i dont think thats the case

[next scroll]

i mean. we can try all of the drugs that are being used (in game) and try them (irl) to get the same results

[coral gorge]

lmao

GTFO drug trials when

[next scroll]

still would make sense if that would be the case

[honest summit]

inject strawberry juice straight into your veins

[next scroll]

;D

[next scroll]

(inject water with salt)

• sugar with salt

see if they have a connection

[coral gorge]

Time to recreate GTFO HSUs irl to see what caused the memory loss

[twin quartz]

what crimes did the prisoners commit to get this shit as a punishment

if it wasnt several major warcrimes this seems like a bit of an overreaction

[loud urchin]

#gtfo-chat message

[eternal talon]

Have a read of the "for dummies" document in the pins of this channel

[twin quartz]

i did not know there was one, apologies

[eternal talon]

By all means.
If you have any questions the doc doesn't answer, ping me and I'll get to it eventually

[coral gorge]

frosty you dont want to hear his questions

[fresh gyro]

Oh no

I pray for you

[eternal talon]

I will answer any and all within reason and provided it does not devolve into trolling

[fringe crypt]

Not because he's a troll

but because he generally has bad ones

horrible takes

so get ready frostty my friend

[eternal talon]

why do you think I pointed them at the LFD first? To get rid of most of them

That document has existed since OGr6 for the sole purpose of me not having to explain the same things over and over again

[twin quartz]

the for dummies answered my main question, danke frostty

[fringe crypt]

first time here don't bust my balls bro

[twin quartz]

i do have a second question that the lfd doesnt explain

what the hell are cells

[eternal talon]

The store hydrogen fuel. Generators burn it to power things they are connected to. Beyond that, we do not know.

[twin quartz]

interesting

it looks like electrical contacts on the bag, instead of pipes, but i suppose it could just be a modelling thing

[fresh gyro]

Funky lore

[warped bloom]

the cells generate the power

more efficient that way

[fresh gyro]

Hmmmmm

[warped bloom]

thats why it has fans on it

well to cool it too

[fresh gyro]

Gtfo cells are very interesting

Idk if this is how cells work but

[honest summit]

tldr: fucked around with shit they should not have

[twin quartz]

yeah frostty pointed me to the LFD, these guys committed lots of warcrimes

[eternal talon]

Dauda was basically a nazi
Hackett had ZERO empathy (but hey, at least he recognized he had a problem)
Woods went Deus Vult and drank the coolaid, killed ~20 soldiers at the army base he was stationed
Bishop... he just blackmailed the wrong guy and got wiped off the face of the earth for it. Don't get me wrong, blackmail is bad... but the guy he was blackmailing absolutely deserved it. Bishop really didn't deserve what he got

Also unrelated note: it's funny shirtless Hackett is a meme, but shirtless Woods actually existed

[royal crow]

hot

🔥

[clear furnace]

Actually goes hard af

[kind lotus]

what is schaeffer purpose with matterwave projection actually?

[royal crow]

in R8?

[kind lotus]

and since when our team relize they are tooling with another verssion of themself?

[kind lotus]

from r7 to r8

[royal crow]

none of the teams realize theres other version of themselves

they know theres other team

but they never know its THEM

[royal crow]

R8 is using the MWP to escape to a clean worldline

R7 hasnt anything to do with MWP

[kind lotus]

so schaeffer intend to escape by using that but ended up collapsing multi timeline?

[royal crow]

we dont know

and no, schaeffer never tries to escape

R7 doesnt have anything to do with MWP
its just OG team going against the warden

we know at some point the MWP shenanigans got out of hand which caused the merging of multiple wordlines

but we dont know how or when

since on ALT R6 you can find Bishop and Dauda dead bodies

[kind lotus]

so schaeffer just keeping the mwp near him like that?

[royal crow]

he never has the MWP near him (at R7 or the start of R8)

start of R8 is ALT team finding the MWP for schaeffer

[kind lotus]

i mean after we transsfer the mwp to schaeffer, he didnt do anything with it yet right?

[royal crow]

nope

[kind lotus]

then suddenly another schaeffer just comeout and got killed by the insane one in r8d2?

[royal crow]

ok

listen

the "other" schaeffer is schaeffer from the ALT worldline
the insane schaeffer is from the OG worldline

and fun fact:
you can kill both of them at the same time if you use the command on D2 while they speak

[kind lotus]

ah yes i have done it lol

both of them seems got suprised by it

[royal crow]

it was a bit disturbing to listen ngl

[kind lotus]

i just quiete sad about the subtitle and dialogue sync

and things turn more chaos when another announcement cameout like thermal deviation etc

[gilded vine]

Warning. Thermal Deviation detected in primary quadrant reactor.

[cold sphinx]

hehe naked player models

[toxic wagon]

It's the muzzle flash before the compensator/suppressor that gets me.

[honest summit]

I think it was us who were doing a little Bit of Matter Wave collaps, as we were formating the datacubes

Interestingly enough, after formating all 3 of the datacubes cubes the OG Team Hears Schaeffer for the first time

[coral gorge]

the wordlines merge in A1/A2

you can hear the other team shooting mid level

so the MWP collapse had to have been a result of either OG teams shenanigans after R7 but before R8 or just stuff that other wordlines did

[royal crow]

no

the worldline merging was before that

because you can see dead bodies of ourselves on A1

i still think it was after R7 and before ALT R1 (at least the first sights of worldline merging, then on R8 the whole thing happens)

[lilac island]

couldnt alt r1 be happening at the same time as og r1 though

since were playing as an alt timeline team

[coral gorge]

Quite possibly yes, but we cant be sure. It could happen at the time of OG R5 as far as we know

[lilac island]

seeing as we only see og team again at the start of r8 (technically) i think itd make sense

idk

not actually happening at the same time because of the timeflow differences between the timelines but you get what i mean

[solemn wagon]

timeline math is a little fucky wucky

my running theory is that the timelines dont sync up and merge until r8

the theory behind the mwp (as far as i understand it) is that each timeline runs at different speeds,
so alt timeline might run faster than og timeline.

so og timeline occurs,
then around og r5, alt timeline begins with r1 and both exist until r8 when they formally overlap and merge

[plush nest]

Yes, Schaeffer tells us this, mentioning a constant meaning that all timelines have a different constant which I think he assumed to be speed of light

[solemn wagon]

yea

i remember seeing somewhere that the project insight voyages using the MWP had the survey team experience time differently

like they left og timeline for a week but "experienced" 2 years or something

GTFlore

[plush nest]

Where nothing makes sense

[coral gorge]

yup

In OG R6 destination mission logs we are told the plants they warped to destination a week prior looked like they have been on destination for years

[drifting island]

do we know what the explanation is for how flyers fly?

even in a bio-technobabble sort of explanation?

[solemn wagon]

my knowledge of flight dynamics say no

[final sentinel]

Could be gas sacs, but idk how they propel

Considering the noise when you kill flyers and also pop kraken tumors

[solemn wagon]

farts

I'd assume they move the same way squids or octopi move

[solemn wagon]

wiki doesnt have any info

the probable reason we dont have any info on them is that the people writing the logs dont hav enough info on them
So 10c doesnt need to give us lore for them

[final sentinel]

:) still like explanations

[drifting island]

damn,

[drifting island]

if its electromagnetism then the Kraken fights should be causing a LOT of bullshit to be happening to our guns lol

[final sentinel]

wait a minute

You just gave me a great idea for a modded level

:) ty wheat, I’ll credit you when I make it

[solemn wagon]

gun sights shut off when fighting kraken

[final sentinel]

Yep

And or hud/bio/turrets/lights

[solemn wagon]

all of them

[final sentinel]

:)

[solemn wagon]

emp time :)

imagine your brain shuts off when fighting kraken

or your legs (prosthetic cosmetic)

[final sentinel]

Oh shit

Shockers but they actually shock

[plush nest]

The chip in your brain turns off and you don’t have a hud anymore

[solemn wagon]

thats the idea :)

[drifting island]

lol

lmao

don't make it an E tier so i can try it out too

[solemn wagon]

but im imagining that it overheats and explodes (the kingsman style)

[plush nest]

My guess would be a mix of gas sacs and the tentacles that they have being able to move them around in the air

[solemn wagon]

tentacles only work when in a viscous enough medium
air is not very viscous

the sheer length or girth of a tentacle for air movement would make it impractical

im talking like i understand biology

[plush nest]

It is still a fluid though, but the tentacles are too small to really make that work

[solemn wagon]

if they move fast enough then yea

[plush nest]

Ya but I don’t think they move that quick in game

[solemn wagon]

they dont move that fast in game though

lets just chalk it up to other universe biology

because PI doesnt get it

so neither will we

[final sentinel]

CxO.E2: Hellion

[drifting island]

rip

[solemn wagon]

lol

[final sentinel]

Dw it won’t be super hard to reach the first kraken

[solemn wagon]

first?

[final sentinel]

:3

The level is called Hellion after all

[solemn wagon]

get 2 of them to fight each other

godzilla vs kong style

[final sentinel]

Easy: play R6D1 with desync

I’ve seen it

[solemn wagon]

gonna try that soon

[final sentinel]

Kraken mitosis

[solemn wagon]

ill throttle my wifi

[plush nest]

Gotta kill then quick or the start to duplicate

[solemn wagon]

anyone got some lore on the parasite?

i know virus + parasite = sleepers

but where parasite come from?

what is parasite?

are the krakens related to parasites?

[eternal talon]

We don't know where the Parasitidae Garganta came from. We know it has at least 6 different subspecies active in the complex, however.

All we know is it at some point came across the virus, or the virus came across it, and eventually they formed a symbiotic relationship.

[solemn wagon]

virus came from crashed collector ship?

[eternal talon]

The kraken and floaters are simply the infected (sleeper-ified) creatures from the planet Destination. Their relationship to the parasite is no more special than infected humans as far as we know.

Virus, parasite, and hundreds of other species from different universes as per- Hammerstein's expeditions

[solemn wagon]

I see

lore so expansive

[eternal talon]

Specifically, it is most closely related to the family of Fleas on earth (despite being alien in origin)

[eternal talon]

You got a question, I can answer it

(When not busy)

[solemn wagon]

nice

virus is fungal in nature

parasite is flea in nature

fungal fleas

👍

imagine what sort of creature got infected to make the krakens 😯

[eternal talon]

NO
DONT BELIVE THE LIES FROM THAT YOUTUBER

[solemn wagon]

i see

virus is viral in nature

got it

[eternal talon]

The virus is a virus

[solemn wagon]

👍

[eternal talon]

That's why it's called a virus

NAM-V

[solemn wagon]

whats the nam stand for?

[eternal talon]

(No we don't know what that stands for)

Haha

[solemn wagon]

lol

[eternal talon]

Was already typing that

[solemn wagon]

Nexus Armed Mann - Virus

😎

[eternal talon]

Have you read the "for dummies" document in the pins of this channel?

[solemn wagon]

yep

[eternal talon]

Good. That covers most of it

[solemn wagon]

its a great document

[eternal talon]

It has existed for over a year for the sole purpose of me not having to say the same things over and over again lol.
Just big arrow point at doc and ask anything not in it

[solemn wagon]

i cant wait for 10c to shadow drop some more lore and the document needs to be updated

(I am severly coping)

[eternal talon]

Game is over man... it's time to let go.
(Or move over to modded)

It had a good run -- half a decade

[solemn wagon]

thanks frosty

you're a top G

[royal crow]

play projekt thermonuclear

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/585063132553281556/798962215276380240/walkingbigguy.gif

[eternal talon]

👀

[solemn wagon]

this is so funny

idk why

hes waddling over

[plush nest]

The irs coming to see if I paid my taxes

[solemn wagon]

me walking to pet the cat i saw on the street

[lilac island]

The people want easy games

[plush nest]

That’s a better one, you win

[solemn wagon]

yours was good too

[royal crow]

wholesome chat
now go to the complex and kill each other

[solemn wagon]

aye aye captain

[eternal talon]

Frostty's cat judges you

[plush nest]

Instructions unclear I have killed myself

[royal crow]

eats the cat

[solemn wagon]

instructions clear
im tbagging my own corpse

[solemn wagon]

1300 calories

[plush nest]

Instructions unclear I am hiding my own body from myself

[eternal talon]

she's not that big of a chonker

[solemn wagon]

objective failed
i found myself hiding my corpse
what do i do?

[solemn wagon]

its 1300 calories
1000 calories (cat) + 300 calories (guilt)

[eternal talon]

*+ -99999 calories for being fined for killing a licensed ESA

[solemn wagon]

i fucked up the bulk

[next scroll]

Normal At Minimum - Virus = NAM-V

[next scroll]

Does a lore-audio-log-document exist in this channel?

[tiny vessel]

theres a pinned lore for dummies if that's what you're looking for

[coral gorge]

All the logs are on the wiki im pretty sure

[next scroll]

i dont think all the audio-lore logs are there though

like the R8 ones are not there

i may be wrong

[next scroll]

I checked it

didnt find what i was looking for

[next scroll]

Has there been any explained when it comes to what "The Inner" is?

[coral gorge]

the alien ship

that crashed into earth and killed the dinos

it had the artifacts that were made into the MWP among other things

[next scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/dam-damn-gif-27530020

[lilac island]

If I'm starting playing again for the first time in years and not sure what rundown I last played, should I start at rundown 1? I'd like to understand the lore more this time playing. Someone suggested I start at rundown 6 and play through 7-8 then go through 1-5

[coral gorge]

uhhh well… Lore wise, most of it is in R6, R7 and R8, but both R7 and R8 do get a fair bit difficult mid way through. Plus playing ALT R6, R7 and R8 in that order does make it a bit confusing. So what id recomend is that if you feel competent gameplay wise do R7, ALT R6 and then R8. Otherwise/if you get stuck somewhere play some of the earlier rundowns to well, get better

[solar nova]

Most of the story is told non-linearly through logs that give you background information, so I wouldn't care for playing through the game in any particular order.

If you want to get into logs, I would either browse the wiki or use a log tracker (https://andocas.com/gtfo/) and try to grab logs in the levels you're playing.

[coral gorge]

i mean, outside of R7 and R8 and sorta R6 which have actual story lines

[cold sphinx]

me and my goofy ahhh not log hunting

[solemn wagon]

The wiki has the logs listed on a dedicated page for each rundown
https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/Logs
I’m unsure whether they have every single log
But you can check for the log you’re looking for

[next scroll]

Tysm pookie ❤️ (FULL NO HOMO)

[solemn wagon]

You’re welcome (full homo)

[next scroll]

hehe, well-c*m(e)

[solemn wagon]

Wel-c(foam)*m

[next scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-up-shush-shh-ok-bird-gif-17679708

[solemn wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/oatmeal-meme-pop-cat-popping-cat-poggers-gif-19386984

[next scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/german-sheperd-dog-gif-26065171

[warped bloom]

Tf

[solemn wagon]

Bro looks so polite
Like he’s here for that juicy juicy traumatic legion program/dauda experiments lore

[next scroll]

ofc he is. He is here and he lusts for that ORG Schaeffer lore

[solemn wagon]

Mfw I listen to og schaeffer go insane (he’s literally me)

[next scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/gtfo-gtfo-game-rhine-tax-crombles-gif-3053679638486767068

[solemn wagon]

@eternal talon did we get an explaination about why the ksos can use the tools and stuff?
i remember reading in a log that project insight observers were surprised to see a kso use the cfoam launcher and cfoam a door without being taught / told to

[burnt wren]

No, i don't think we ever got a direct explanation for that. The assumption is either that BIOCOM transfers that data somehow (never taught us, did it?), or its deja vu from their other lives.

[solemn wagon]

yea biocom giving operational data to the ksos seems more likely

[tiny vessel]

Any idea why schaeffer was conveniently under a large amount of water in what looks to be just an empty draining room area?

[royal crow]

ALT schaeffer was fixing something on the reactor

then OG schaeffer came

[tiny vessel]

Also how did schaeffer help the og team in the first place? Did he go on solo expeditions or was he just flicking switches and entering commands?

[tiny vessel]

Right

[royal crow]

i guess flicking switches and doing commands stuff

[coral gorge]

You mean og schaeffer?

[tiny vessel]

Yes

[coral gorge]

prolly whatever control he had from R7

Since in R7 him and henrikson gained control over our objective stacks

[tiny vessel]

So just some control?

[coral gorge]

Yeah, stack control from whatever remained of og warden and just terminal commands

[tiny vessel]

He was saying he was doing a lot of the work like the og team weren't the only one running actual expeditions.

[coral gorge]

since in R8D1 we can see the door unlock is just a command

so i guess he was just doing that for us in the other missions

[lilac island]

Who are the collectors? Do we meet any of them?

[royal crow]

they were an alien especies

and no

but

the warden is related to them

[lilac island]

Alright

I still haven't done R8. Trying to find people to play R6-8 with me that don't mind me asking lore questions

[royal crow]

we dont know much about them other than they crashed into earth after their ship got overrun by the virus or sleepers
and they got exiled from their planet

aight

[solemn wagon]

considering we know sleepers existed on their ship,
and that sleepers are formed from the virus and a parasite
logical deduction leads me to believe that the collectors either had both the virus and the parasite contained on the ship (which broke out when crash)
OR
the virus was contained and the parasite was a result of the collectors biology mutating when in contact with virus

kinda like how we have little bugs living in our skin to eat dead cells

does anyone know the log that mentions wrdn resetting the biocom exe?

i swear its real but i cannot find anything on it on the wiki

[coral gorge]

i dont think its a log, its the status thingy in R7D2 next to the server into which we plug the chip in

although there might also be a log of it somewhere, im not sure abt that

[coral gorge]

2nd is unlikely cause the parasite is also on destination

[solemn wagon]

thanks
ill check it out when i get a team for it

[solemn wagon]

ooh yea
you're right

[coral gorge]

id be suprised if there arent any pictures of it on the wiki

or atlernatively im sure frostyy or someone has them saved

[solemn wagon]

I think I found the log that I’m looking for

It’s the XXX-4-WRDN.LOG

It details the wardens take over of biocom
But I cannot seem to find any hint of biocom fighting back after this initial scuffle

I’ll check some more on it
But at this point I feel like I’ve dreamt up the whole warden vs biocom caged ladder match

[coral gorge]

the fighting back is definitly on the screen in R7D2

[solemn wagon]

@eternal talon
Do you have a screencap of the monitor @coral gorge is referring to?

[eternal talon]

#gtfo-lore message

Also I'm pretty sure it IS on the wiki, or at least it was.

[solemn wagon]

thanks for the referral
yea i think they took it off the wiki

[eternal talon]

WHY DO THEY DO THESE THINGS

[solemn wagon]

because they are insane

[plush nest]

There is a bunch around the facility, where you see biocom and the wrdn going back and forth

On the little screens, not on terminals, you can see biocom trying to delete the warden and the warden resetting it

[solemn wagon]

yes
I've since learned its just on a general screen that shows up in different levels (R7D1 for example) and there isnt a proper page for it on the wiki

its a nice piece of missable lore

[plush nest]

Ya there are some things that are like that

[honest summit]

Would Imagine its to conserve space for more important space. They probably would have to pay more If they want to improve the Server Capacity

Although i dont know Shit about fandom Wiki so it Could be completely false

[warped bloom]

Nope

[next scroll]

What was Daudas past?

Im kind of curious cause from a log there is something about meeting the crew (Woods, Bishop, Hackett) and then he goes into the HSU

Other than that idk about Dauda

[honest summit]

He was Medic TF2, but Not german

[next scroll]

Nigerian, yeah.

[next panther]

Can we get this on game theory?

[next scroll]

with matpat, no

unfortunately

😭

[warped bloom]

We'll have Tom

[coral gorge]

he was a scientist at garganta who did *funny * experiments with nam-v, the parasite and other funny substances on humans

and he ended up going into an HSU shortly after gargantas collapse to save himself from dying

(in ALT he meets woods, bishop and hackett and woods basically "volunteers" him for the legion program)

[next scroll]

Still doesnt hit the same 😭

[next scroll]

In the original universe?

Like he just went into a random one and got taken to the program like that by a random group / our group (Woods, Hackett, Bishop or other group)?

[coral gorge]

yeah seems like it. I dont think its ever explained how he got into legion in OG

[vestal haven]

who the hell is Tom

[next scroll]

huh?

[coral gorge]

great question

Maybe Tom is the friends we made betrayed along the way

[next scroll]

wasnt that the name of the guy who cooperated with schaeffer?

or who he made friends with at least in the ORG and ALT timeline?

[warped bloom]

yes

[honest summit]

He is Mister Truth (Source: Trust me)

[vestal haven]

real

[solemn wagon]

I believe him

[soft dock]

so i just got the game is there any intro lore i should know? im not looking for big spoilers but id like to know a little about like where i am and who i am that kinda stuff or would that all be a bit much?

[royal crow]

check pins

[eternal talon]

Lore For Dummies

[royal crow]

hey Frostty

[solemn wagon]

the pinned Lore for Dummies document is already pretty extensive in the larger scope of the game
there are some spoilers in it about the events in the game, but generally it's not too big of a spoiler and should serve as a baseline for what you experience in game
Though you may read about some characters that are in mentioned in the early game via LOG files but you wont encounter them until the later rundowns

so if you're fine with that then go head and happy expeditioning

[eternal talon]

hm

[soft dock]

thank you guys

[honest summit]

Summary of the entire Story: You are so fkd

[chrome widget]

not wrong

[solemn wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/homeless-nah-id-win-gif-11399565856913576326

[coral gorge]

hey btw @eternal talon there is a mistake in the pinned rundown schematic thingy, where it is said that OG team does R8B2

[plush nest]

question about that how do we know the alt squad died before r1 and how do we know that there is a new squad that took their place?

[coral gorge]

ALT R6CX has bishops and daudas bodies

and a log explaining how they died

[plush nest]

i guess i missed that log, guess i have to redo that level eventually

[coral gorge]

now this makes 2 theories:
Theory 1: that squad warped into alt wordline and got killed
Theory 2: they were the true ALT squad and died, while the alt squad we play as warped into ALT R1 and took their place. The 2nd theory mostly exists to explain why the fuck is there someone trying to morse code in ALT R1D1

since its way too early for alt scheaffer to start his stuff

[plush nest]

could be the groups schaffer that took the alts place and he is trying to find his gorup again, by telling them deeper?

[coral gorge]

The theory was that X scheaffer warped to alt wordline with X team. X team would take ALT teams place, while X scheaffer tried to communicate with them in ALT R1D1, but would eventually be fail and die in some hole

[vestal haven]

why does the complex have no bathrooms

[eternal talon]

In lore: it does.

In gameplay: because the levels are developed using procedural generation and none of the current (7?) Tilesets support/have that as an option, and none of the CustomPrefabs are bathrooms. Closest we have on the CP side is a broom closet with a trapdoor that leads into schaeffer's den

[vestal haven]

I thought the levels were hand crafted

just using tilesets

it’s randomly generated??

[eternal talon]

Not even remotely

The only parts of the levels that aren't randomly generated is the route, any custom tiles, zone doors/alarms, and supplies

Everything else is the devs spinning a weel 100 times until they get something acceptable

which is why so many people back in the day were making fun of it taking the devs six months per rundown

[vestal haven]

oh wow

[eternal talon]

And objectives, though the majority of those are tied into custom tiles aswell like reactors

[vestal haven]

raaaah

who do I strangle for r4c3 pe now 😔

[eternal talon]

Whoever spent an afternoon writing the LevelLayout or the WardenObjective datablocks

Testing levels can take a fair bit longer, but actually making levels... I could slam out a dozen in a day if I did nothing else

[vestal haven]

zamn

didn’t know it was that easy

[eternal talon]

Just working solo, making the PT rundown took me a little under a year

And that overhauls... so much

[vestal haven]

oop

[eternal talon]

Iirc at their smallest, 10cc had a team of 6? I think?

[vestal haven]

oh wow

[coral gorge]

youd expect them to have atleast 10 guys… since.. you know…ill stop now

[spare birch]

Making a level isn't that hard
Making a good level (and testing it properly) is much harder

[final sentinel]

This

[eternal talon]

Maybe they did. I don't have the best memory

I meant working on levels, though.

[eternal talon]

Still, compare that to modded rundowns. A single modder can put out an amazing level in less than half the time it takes an entire team to do it using the official tools, that would only make them even faster

Modders have been building rundowns on practically scatchpaper for years

Also, isn't this the exact type of conversation that Kickstarted the "we don't support modding" banwaves from 10cc?

Being outdone by modders in less time, and with inferior tools

[spare birch]

Modders and the official game devs have vastly different requirements, you can't really compare them that well
Not to diss modders at all, I think they do very cool work, but what they do is very different from creating the base game

[eternal talon]

We aren't talking about making the base game though, we are talking about rundowns

By and large, the code to make rundowns and the levels inside them have not changed in years

[spare birch]

Agreed, but there's more that goes into an official rundown than just the levels, right?

[eternal talon]

Custom weapons take less than an hour each, and modders can even make their own CustomPrefabs and weapon parts if they wish

[spare birch]

New tiles, new weapons, new enemies, changed mechanics

Plus numerous rounds of bugtesting and fixing

[eternal talon]

You can make a tile in 1-2 days. You can make a weapon in an hour (4-5 if making new parts).
You can make a new enemy in 3-4 days assuming new model changes. Something like the snatcher would take about a week.
Mechanics we have plug-ins now to do all of what vanilla does and more in under a day

-- including multiple primary objectives

[eternal talon]

Bug testing and fixing takes the longest, I'll admit, but I've made my own custom rundown. With at minimum 6 times the manpower, it took me a year by myself. It should not take them 6 months per rundown

That is nonsense

[royal crow]

LORE CHAT ALIVE

what are we talking about?

[eternal talon]

Two modders should not equal 10cc's entire team working on new rundowns

[eternal talon]

10cc being slower than molasses drips of a spoon at developing new rundowns when modders can do it in a month

[spare birch]

Modders vs official devs
It's a dumb argument that I see in numerous places

[eternal talon]

Have you PLAYED modded rundowns? Some of them are seriously better than vanilla rundowns

[frail pollen]

Frosty your timings are either way off.. or your measuring time it takes vastly different

[royal crow]

holy shit

D0c is here

[eternal talon]

PT took me just over/under a year.
The average between rundown releases was 5-6 months

[spare birch]

Yeah, knowing the outcome or "this is exactly what I'd want to make" means it will take far less time
You're ignoring probably several things thaat were left on the cutting room floor

[eternal talon]

I'm by myself, you guys had a full team

What's wrong with that math?

[eternal talon]

(Assuming modded rundowns also don't have that)

PT has SO much stuff I've abandoned since it first started development

Most of the levels I've rebuilt from the ground up at least twice, even

[spare birch]

That was a point against "I could make this in a day"
Yeah, you could, if you knew exactly what you were going for, but game dev is not a linear path, it's a maze

[eternal talon]

This isn't apples to apples.
Solo modder = 12 months
10cc team = 6 months.

10cc have WAYYY more than 2 developers

Also recently, didn't you guys expand your team to something like 40 people?

[frail pollen]

The snatcher took months to make, between the artistic design, coming up with the game design, prototyping, writing all the code needed to actually make it work, testing, bug fixing, iterating on the game design mechanics, the animations for movement, snatching, etc.

[eternal talon]

Snatcher is an outlier. It is very different than all other enemy types, I will give you that. Must have been a bitch to make

But the new r8 enemies are literally just reused assets

[vestal haven]

snatcher?

[eternal talon]

Hobbled together with flier tentacles and removed heads

[frail pollen]

Something like the snatcher would take about a week.
you just said it would take a week

[vestal haven]

I haven’t seen one of those grabby bastards yet outside of videos

[royal crow]

R7C1 :)

[eternal talon]

It really depends, but yeah, I probably super low-balled it there.

It is very unique compared to other enemies

[vestal haven]

I fear no man, but that thing… it scares me

[frail pollen]

Have you ever worked in game dev Frosty?

like not as modding, but as a career

[eternal talon]

No, only modding. I don't have the free time for that

[royal crow]

im starting to study game dev
and i can see why even the simplest stuff can take a while to do

[eternal talon]

But still, how does it take twice as much time with like ten times as many people?

[frail pollen]

I'll gladly give context 🙂

[next panther]

Make from scratch rather than using already existing code

[eternal talon]

(I point at r8 enemies again, also quite a few of the new guns use reused assets, barring mostly scopes)

[next panther]

Also, not every single person working at 10CC is a programmer

[eternal talon]

I know?

[royal crow]

point is: programming isnt easy even for a big team

🤷‍♂️

[eternal talon]

^

[vestal haven]

idk where people would get the impression programming is easy unless they’re extremely ignorant

[next panther]

Mhm

[eternal talon]

Rundowns are all made in json though??? Everything is modular and really simple

They use C#, but rundown dev mostly isn't aside from tiles and parts

[royal crow]

D0c is typing a bible right now

[spare birch]

Like I said earlier, there's more in a rundown than just the levels
How long do you think it took to make trapped bioscans and for them to work properly

[vestal haven]

trapped bioscans?

[royal crow]

corrputed bioscans

the big static red circles

[cunning light]

This whole conversation probably does not fit this channel, but heh.

[next panther]

Its important

[spare birch]

lore of game dev, totally

[vestal haven]

conversations die immediately after moving channels, pls let it stay here

[eternal talon]

If I had to give a reasonable guess...
Given they are tied directly to the CustomPrefab and NOT actual settable scans, id say there is a fair bit of cutting, but rough estimate are 2-3 weeks

It's just making the first one then copy paste it around

[cunning light]

To be honest I would love to hear more of the background making of the game, if 10C ever has time to make a big Q&A about it

[vestal haven]

is any concept art public?

I’m a sucker for that stuff

[eternal talon]

Iirc one of their artists has a blog with a bunch of stuff posted

I forget who

[next panther]

Yeah in some of the stuff they posted you can see some of it

[eternal talon]

Was really cool

[royal crow]

the original design of the snatcher was wild

i would have loved to see it

😔

[vestal haven]

it looks rather dog-like in its current form

[cunning light]

I have been involved on the very first implementation of the localization for the game, for instance, and it took a LOT of back and forth with the translation teams to get something that fit to the game (at least in French)

[eternal talon]

Agree. Far more alien than the majority of sleepers, though

[eternal talon]

Translation is a whole nother' beast

[frail pollen]

Then I think you vastly lack the perspective of what goes into actually making a game, from running an entire studio and all the parts involved. If you're one person, a modder, you don't have to care about what anyone else thinks about what you're making. You don't need to care how perfect or imperfect it is. But when you're an entire studio, you have everything to consider. You have the meetings to make sure all teams are aligned on the vision and goals. You have narrative that is giving a certain vision for how things should work or look to fit the lore. you have game design that is overseeing how it actually plays. You have level design that is putting everything together. While level design is making stuff, you have coders creating new features for everyone to use. While a LD might start working on a custom geo and starting to put things together while waiting for programmers to create a new thing for their level. Then one programmer working on the new LD feature might get interrupted to help a coworker who's stuck, so now LD is waiting longer for their feature. They take a break from the custom geo to start reseeding the level, but now they get new information from game design, narrative, etc that changes how the level should be designed to better fit the vision. They go back to the custom geo and realize they really just don't like the initial vision they had and start reworking and changing it to make it better. Now programmers have something ready to be tested so they switch over to test that new feature and run into issues with it not full working as expected.

And all this context switching takes time to get back into the groove. All the meetings take time, but are needed to ensure everyone is aligned and things aren't going sideways as they have checkings with leadership.

[vestal haven]

localization seems like a bitch and a half

[frail pollen]

yes

LD's are usually also the ones that are coming up with the new enemies and variants, so they are also taking a break from making the level to work on the enemies. of course variants are a lot less complicated than a full new enemiy (e.g. snatcher), but they also take time to make, test, etc.

[eternal talon]

If you have developers that are just constantly interrupting eachother because they "need help" and because they have to wait around for other teams to do stuff, that doesn't really seem welll-structured

[next panther]

Insane statement

[cunning light]

If you ever find the time to make a "Post Mortem" on GTFO development, I am sure a lot of us passionate people would love hearing about it.

[spare birch]

That's how a company works, you have a ton of people working on all sorts of stuff and you need to coordinate it
That takes a lot of effort

[cunning light]

Although I know GTFO is a niche game, and all gears are already turning in order to produce DoW

[frail pollen]

That's how the real world works, teammates need help from each other. no one is perfect, no one knows how to solve everything, and they each are experts in their own domain knowledge. It's not about being badly structured.

[eternal talon]

That just looks like a manpower issue then if your level design team is also making enemies and testing it by themselves

[frail pollen]

For example. I've worked on many of the achievement bug fixes, and had to reach out to the programmer that is an expert in level gen system. If I didn't ask him, it'd take me even longer to fix. if he did it, then he wouldn't get other work done, by I can do most of it with the help of asking questions to the expert

[eternal talon]

Well yeah, nobody is perfect, but there is a range. You didn't specify if it's like hand-holding, but people shouldn't constantly need help

[next panther]

It shouldnt need to be

[frail pollen]

Well of course they need to test it themselves, so they can iterate on what they are changing and seeing if they like how it plays. Once they have something ready for the delivery team to test, then they hand it over for our delivery team to run through the level and try everything and do deeper testing

[frail pollen]

no, it's not constantly needing help, but do some research on programmers and context switching. even just a little bit can be super disruptive, but it's something you can't fully get rid of.

[next panther]

I wish people would just look into it even just a bit

[frail pollen]

Some of the stuff I'm saying is a bit overlay vague and a little exaggerated to help illustrate the point that when people say "oh it should only take a day or two to do that, i did it much faster" don't understand how things are when working in an actual studio and all the moving parts.

[royal crow]

hey D0c

question

[final sentinel]

also most modders generally don’t make new features for their levels

[royal crow]

why the potato and the nightmare babies werent used in any level besides A2 Sec?

[frail pollen]

because A2

A2 is special

[next panther]

Goofy enemies for goofy level

[final sentinel]

It’s a creature study

[next panther]

Ya

[final sentinel]

But yeah, you can crank out a level with current features in like a week, probably a bit shorter. But balancing, playtesting, tweaking, feedback, bugfixing, and other things? That takes a while

[royal crow]

meanwhile your E1 keeps getting broken 😔

[final sentinel]

Yeah, I made my E1 in like a month, but it’s still getting fixed and fine tuned 4 months later

[solemn wagon]

conclusion: game deving is hard

the conceptual quality you gain by just being a solo dev or small team (less than 5) is a loss on visual quality

[final sentinel]

10CC have to do that plus develop new features and stuff

[solemn wagon]

yea

i understand how much effort goes into developing a game like gtfo

[final sentinel]

Sure they could crank out levels faster, but quality and lore and design would take a hit, and there’d be less new stuff

[solemn wagon]

much love doc

[final sentinel]

R8 had like, at least one new feature per level, usually more

Props to y’all for that

[solemn wagon]

I've tried my hand at making a game engine from scratch and it was a huge pain to add or change anything at all

every little change breaks a couple things and its just nails all the way down

[final sentinel]

Oh yeah they’re also making new tiles lol

[solemn wagon]

im excited to see what they put out

[frail pollen]

If using only everything existing, not adding any new code, geos, etc. Not setting up any objective texts, balancing, the tweaking and fine tuning, sending to delivery to for feedback, sending to bug hunters for feedback, etc then yeah you can get a base level "made" pretty quickly. but every step adds a lot, the iterative feedback.

You want to add a new variant, now you need to figure out what its role is and where it's going to be used. do you want it in waves? as a statically places? now you need to setup the wave and population settings.

[final sentinel]

This

[solemn wagon]

A lot of pretty interesting ideas are scrapped because they dont fulfil their own niche

[frail pollen]

exactly, "cut features"

nah, just didn't reach the vision we have for the game, for the feature. Didn't meet the quality we were after. Or just had to be deprioritized compared to something else

[solemn wagon]

I'd love to see the low poly hide and seek type shrieker yall have made and left on a hard drive somewhere

hell any cut content would be interesting to look at

[final sentinel]

Yeah, I scrapped an entire level concept because I couldn’t make it unique/interesting enough, and I’d worked on it for at least a month

[solemn wagon]

that's tough man

[final sentinel]

Dw, I got the tools I need with R8 so I’ll be remaking it in a different rundown

[solemn wagon]

I really hope GTFO gets some love later down the line

not like a complete makeover or anything big

just stuff the devs would like to add in for themselves

you know?

if i ever figure out unity
I'd like to make a hall of fame for the game

showcasing off cut content and dev iterations of the enemies and stuff

that'd be cool

[royal crow]

they will definitely revisit GTFO in a far far future

[royal crow]

lol
im learning game development just so i can make my own GTFO style game in the future

this game had GOTY potential

😔

[solemn wagon]

Stupid starfield

[solemn wagon]

You are mortally obligated to include at least 10 different Easter eggs and call backs to gtfo now

[queen gazelle]

editing code or testing code you didn’t write can be a nightmare

especially in these contexts

that being said I will still make fun of certain funny balancing changes because of just the context we have playing this product for far to long. Could I get more lore in the lore chat and less programming nonsense tho. X != x+1 it makes no sense

[solemn wagon]

lore
hmmm

did we get a confirmation of what the devs used to make the sleepers' clicking noise?

also i found a log mentioning the parasite (XMN-GBB-8B5 ALT: R4B3)

bug that crawled into this lady's skin and she started doing the funny "peel your skin off" thing

[steel spire]

https://tenor.com/view/get-getyouout-gif-21365663

[honest summit]

https://tenor.com/view/stay-in-the-box-get-gif-233802832500378753

[lilac island]

She didnt peel it off

She just scratched it

Itchiness is pretty hard to resist

Any feeling is if it's intense enough

[vestal haven]

the r8e1 ending is weirdly depressing

[vestal haven]

literally me

[dense saffron]

As a long time modder and part time game dev I agree with most of this, something else that d0c doesn't touch on here is that when you're modding something and encounter an issue, you typically work around the issue and find some way to patch what you want together. Where as when you're the dev with source code access you'll fix the underlying issue, which may result in you having to rework whole systems due to assumptions made earlier in the process. Then you may decide to just scrap the idea instead of reworking those systems and theres a few days down the drain.

I will say that I think it's a shame the enemy creation system didn't get more offical use in GTFO, as it's extremely powerful. My only guess is that the people working with the system didn't have the time to mess around with it for weeks to figure out the extents of what it can do

Also while I've endlessly meme'd about the mapper, I understand why it wasn't added. It doesn't really make sense in the static levels of GTFO beyond extremely niche uses

(This is why I will eventually make a whole game as an excuse to make the mapper good)

[vestal haven]

mapper?

[dense saffron]

https://dakkhuza.com/images/mapper.gif

Makes a point cloud of an area and highlights different things with different color points

[loud urchin]

Room CT scanner

[vestal haven]

what the fuck that looks AWESOME

[loud urchin]

Or was that something else from 2017 trailer

[dense saffron]

I love this thing so much but it's a glorified locker finder

[vestal haven]

it’s about sending a message

also that would be great for fog levels

[dense saffron]

If GTFO had randomly generated levels it would make a lot more sense

[dense saffron]

I have a whole sub section of my website about it lol

[dense saffron]

This is why (once I finish my current game project sometime this year, goal is before october) I will make a GTFOxLethal company type game for the sole purpose of adding the mapper

[vestal haven]

send link?

[dense saffron]

https://dakkhuza.com/is-the-mapper-in-gtfo-yet/

[vestal haven]

thanks mate

[frail pollen]

we should add the mapper just to make you do work and update that site

but then make it work for everyone except dak

[solemn wagon]

Doc doing treating Medium like Anish Kapoor

[dense saffron]

Steam id banned from using the mapper

I try to use it and it blows up in my hands

[solemn wagon]

try to use it and your house explodes

[dense saffron]

I am a martyr for the people

[vestal haven]

it would be pretty neat for doing levels blind but otherwise yeah it isn’t really useful when the maps are the same every time

[solemn wagon]

good for fog

[dense saffron]

True but is being able to navigate fog better than a second sentry or cfoam

[vestal haven]

knowing the map layout kinda invalidates that point even in fog, it’s the same thing as going in blind as previously stated

[dense saffron]

The only real consistent use would be finding lockers in fog

Which doesn't really justify a tool slot

So I understand why it never made it in

https://tenor.com/view/a-man-can-dream-though-sigh-futurama-professor-farnsworth-gif-14501112

[vestal haven]

wouldn’t it put the dots on lockers?

[solemn wagon]

different color dots

[dense saffron]

Yeah

[final sentinel]

Just put it as a secondary function of another tool

[vestal haven]

Oh ok

[final sentinel]

tbh

it’s never good enough to bring on it’s own :(

[vestal haven]

it would be neat on the biotracker

[solemn wagon]

bio tracker update

[dense saffron]

That was one of the things they tried, it's technically part of the bio rn, just disabled

[final sentinel]

Oh cool

[vestal haven]

[dense saffron]

Looks really weird tho and bio is already super powerful

[solemn wagon]

[vestal haven]

why not do it for giggles and shits

🤭

[frail pollen]

we did kina work on a hybrid of the og mapper with different functionality but it didn't play how we intended so got put back on the shelve to collect dust hoping the dust will make it better

[vestal haven]

it’s marinating I see

[dense saffron]

Too good for this world

[solemn wagon]

aged like fine wine?

[dense saffron]

I can understand why the other tool concept were scrapped, they all sound like really cool ideas but if you think about how they'd actually play they don't fit with the game

[vestal haven]

what were the other ones?

[dense saffron]

Like the nanoswarm sound sick but like, in game how would that work at all. You're just turning tool packs into health or weakening enemies

[vestal haven]

nanobots doesn’t feel like it would even fit with the setting

but that might just be me

definitely sounds awesome tho

[dense saffron]

You can find the model for it on one of the artists art station, it looks really cool

No idea how it would fit at all

[loud urchin]

use it to repair/reinforce doors!...

[dense saffron]

If cfoam is so good why isn't there a cfoam 2

What I really want to know is what's with all the concept art for a giant light device

[royal crow]

big big LRF when

[dense saffron]

The sun the sun the sun

[mortal pivot]

I wanted a cool techno-neon lever action rifle

[solemn wagon]

lever action lever action lever action lever action lever action lever action lever action lever action lever action lever action

[vestal haven]

m1 garand when

I wanna hear that ping

[harsh pike]

shouldve gotten a lever action instead of a slug shotgun

[solemn wagon]

but the ping alerts sleepers

[vestal haven]

shooting also alerts sleepers, not sure if you knew that

[solemn wagon]

no way

impossible

[vestal haven]

[solemn wagon]

sleepers dont have eyes
how do they see my flashlight?

i know its something about heat transferrence sensitivity or something

[royal crow]

they dont see it
they feel the light

[solemn wagon]

[royal crow]

you should ask your local Sleeper for more info

[solemn wagon]

maybe the light was within us all along

[solemn wagon]

brb gonna do that

they shone that 13 billion lumen temu light in my eyes and asked me if i could feel it

I've lost the ability to see
But I can see the shrimp colors now

[steel spire]

There's a video of someone doing this in-game but I'm not sure if I could post it here

[dense saffron]

Yeah I've seen it

I'm the owner of the modding server so I've seen most there is to see

[honest summit]

50000 lumin Spotlight shining on them: i sleep

Bootleg Ali Express headlight:

https://tenor.com/view/daspoody-sleep-sleepy-wake-woke-gif-2569845121217246002

[solemn wagon]

https://youtu.be/b862LshnPYk?si=0J3Sy1Hg7fiT36Bv

[normal solstice]

Plot hole

They hear tiny steps but not Shaffer going mental over the walkie talkie or the security doors screaming

[lilac island]

quite funny

[warped bloom]

headphones ?

[royal crow]

https://tenor.com/view/lethal-company-gif-4414385265031025492

no

[solemn wagon]

they got airpods in

[royal crow]

so Woods knew about NAM-V and worldlines all this time?

pic from Woods log in ALT R5A2

[final sentinel]

No, he’s just really religious lol

[royal crow]

yeah i know

but is really interesting how he talks about a "plague" and "many of him"
(i didnt meant he knew about NAM-V and worldlines literally btw)

[coral gorge]

yeah to me it seems like he somehow learnt about wordlines and nam-v

even if very vaguely

[royal crow]

god told him

[coral gorge]

and like he also in that log talks about the fact that he will be saved while the interviewer will die (which is what happens in the end as the guy prolly dies to nam-v or sleepers)

[royal crow]

he will be saved
dies on R8E1 😔

[coral gorge]

well yeah

OG woods gets to live atleast

or get out atleast, who knows what happens atfer

[royal crow]

they probably die

but my headcanon is they go to DoW woldline and start doing some crazy heists

[peak jay]

That's a cool connection! Could "he is one" somehow be referring to the Warden across the different timelines?

[royal crow]

the warden or another woods

most likely another woods

[coral gorge]

”he is one” so i dont think its a diff version of him

[solemn wagon]

the "he is the one" part refers to the person "saving" him

so woods is most likely talking about the warden/collectors

the sentence doesnt really make sense logically

"for though there may be many of me, he is the one"

meaning there may be many woods but only one saviour(? i dont really get it but thats how i understand)

so either woods follows that sort of religious belief or woods is just insane and he's not thinking logically

[eternal talon]

maybe he believes that the God he worships is the one true god, even among the infinite possible universes?
Exodus 20:3-5: "Thou shalt have no other gods before me."

[coral gorge]

yeah i get that impression too

[coral gorge]

I guess?

[harsh pike]

the best part is I could see this happening

[solar nova]

Do we know our membrane ID for either worldline?

[eternal talon]

the only worldline we know the ID for is ALT//Durant's

otherwise, we just have a yuuuuuge list of random numbers and letters

[eternal talon]

that being
M-E8SZ-FDIP-UNV7-HW8D-76HM-UXKJ

[gusty wagon]

so ive been engorging myself on the current GTFO lore. what exactly is going on in rundown 8? i read the wiki about how ||the membranes were snapping together and there were two teams of alternative prisoners in the complex as well
is it the same complex from worldline 1 in which two teams (OG and ALT) are operating, or is the rundown two worldlines going on at once and the levels with different teams are from different worldlines? orrr. what exactly?||

[royal crow]

its multiple worldlines

together

not just OG and ALT

[royal crow]

you can see multiple teams of ourselves dead all around R8

all of R8 happens in that "new" worldline

[gusty wagon]

as in many worldlines in which the collecters took the player prisoner quads and took them elsewhere?

[royal crow]

elsewhere?

[gusty wagon]

or is the events of R8 anomalous and unintentional in nature

[royal crow]

the wordline merging was unintentional as far as we know

too many MWP shenanigans

[gusty wagon]

i see. i guess i wasnt clear on exactly what/why R8 was. happening

[royal crow]

tbh
we dont even know why that happened

[gusty wagon]

that makes sense.
because i recall the collectors wanted to take the quad and other survivors to a membrane in which NAM-V didnt exist, but then after that was R8 and ???????? yeah i just wasnt clear

yeah

[royal crow]

we never know what the collectors plan was until R8

in R8 is revelead the warden wants to take us to a clean dimension

at least the ALT Warden

[gusty wagon]

ah

[royal crow]

who knows what OG warden was planning

but some people here pointed out he was searching for a "cure" or something

[gusty wagon]

and experimenting with the neonates and such, yeah?

thats the impression i got when i played last

[royal crow]

the neonates were used to make conduits

the clones schaeffer encounters

the warden made those clones to communicate

Frostty is here

she will answer everything with more detail

[eternal talon]

that is debated. we cannot say for certain if the collectors wanted to save our quad, or not. Ultimately, we doom the ALT//Durant Jungle worldline with nam-v regardless.

[gusty wagon]

because we werent decontaminated before interacting with the WMP?

[royal crow]

yeah

and NAM-V spreads everywhere and by every mean

[eternal talon]

i feel it is apt to mention here, it is not just the ~9 or so alternate earths that we know of. terrain from the destination worldline itself was warping in and appearing on earth. most notably the entire alpha one site where the e2 kraken fight takes place

[royal crow]

oh that explains the sand on B2 then

[eternal talon]

(picture of destination terrain on earth)

[royal crow]

yeah

man what a shitshow

[eternal talon]

also if you compare the r6d1 arena at the alpha one site and the arena in r8e2, you will notice it is identical, even in inaccessible areas

[eternal talon]

eh, for a number of reasons.
it is true that we dont get decontaminated, but think about how that would work to ensure none gets through

we can only get clean by staying in hydrostasis -- the outside of the container itself would still be exposed to particulates that can survive for weeks

and ontop of that, we warp at least half of the kds-deep silo with us, containing god knows how many infected ksos/husus and potentially even sleepers (though no evidence for the parasite making it through is given)

[royal crow]

we did a bit of trolling to Durant

[gusty wagon]

evidently

[eternal talon]

durant himself says something along the lines of having set up a perimeter around the site where we warped in

[royal crow]

just a small ammount of trolling

[eternal talon]

nam-v is just too pogchamp

gtfo has a bad ending. even surviving ours and alt// earth, the OG squad will die a slow painful death from nam-v, dooming the entire clean worldline to end up like destination in the proccess

[royal crow]

honestly
ALT team had the best "ending"
better to die in a fight than slowly

[eternal talon]

(destination is the way it is because it was exposed to the virus (and parasite) 7 TRILLION years ago

we know it was at one time at least habitable because we find ruins from the collectors there, being this carved sandstone plate and ancient bridges.

[royal crow]

i need to replay C1

damn

[eternal talon]

(assuming they didnt just visit it when already space-faring)

[eternal talon]

they appear in other levels too iirc

@gusty wagon but yeah, if you ever have any questions, dont be affraid to ask and i will do my best to answer. The for dummies doccument is also avaliable in the pins of this channel as a quick-look resource.

[gusty wagon]

thank u!! <3

[coral gorge]

I always assumed the traps he meant werent meant for us and instead were simply for wildlife or smth so it doesnt murder Durants team

[coral gorge]

or well we can assume thats what happens since we have no confirmation in the end. For all we know durant and the prisoners might throw a rave right after the screen goes black

Also i still believe durant and the squad can survive by opening a bunch of pods, killing the people inside and taking their place, and then just waiting out nam-v till it dies out

[solar nova]

What about this log? https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/000-000-000

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSLHVp3ReG56bunlm1cuCMwLQxtJkINITk1vVMCgGbrJj-Ce6GWc9TpBNlYYmAujwqh4kSGF-pOjdqb/pubhtml

Or do you mean for worldlines we've been to?

Actually, I kind of feel like having a worldline at the top where all of our characters are active and Schaeffer is unknown implies that it's the alt worldline.

[toxic wagon]

Does this mean DoW is just a separate worldline

[honest summit]

Hoyoverse Moment

[eternal talon]

they could make it one and change literally nothing.

[eternal talon]

apparently none of the worldlines in it line up exactly with ones we have been to.

but thats just what i've been told. i've never bothered to dig through that mess

its waaaay too long

and i dont have filters

[plush nest]

I could be wrong, but don’t the pods need power?

[eternal talon]

they do.

i assume Cubix is under the assumption that Durant and his team reinvented electricity and the modern generator after being stranded.

(also there are some discrepancies in the length of time they have been stuck there, but it is quite a long time at the very shortest assumption)

[plush nest]

Kk I was just wondering how they would be powered, plus don’t they need the injection thing to wake up?

[eternal talon]

hydokinetic fluid so their brain doesnt melt and they near-insta collapse?

yes

[coral gorge]

Connor seemed to have it automated

as he doesnt mention anyone waking him up

[eternal talon]

Who?

[solar nova]

Where do we see our character's IDs in the alt rundowns?

Nvm, found it.

M-FGP0-4BUW-R6BX-RJR8-1E56-S48D is not the alt membrane.

Do we know any OG IDs?

[eternal talon]

Yes, I know

It's the membrane belonging to where the Durant ef01 team went from the alt worldline

We know no other confirmed worldline number matches

[vestal haven]

is the facility garganta or is the desert in r6 and beyond garganta

[burnt wren]

?????????

[vestal haven]

why the question marks

[coral gorge]

Connor, the scientist guy who continued to work after the collapse

[coral gorge]

Garganta is the complex

[vestal haven]

Ty

[coral gorge]

the desert dimension is destination

[coral gorge]

In one of the R8 logs he talks about using HSU to stay clean, while also saying he avoided any contact with any other remaining staff members

[vestal haven]

buddy has nobody to sign his paycheck though

[eternal talon]

Link logs pls, at work and don't have time to dig

[eternal talon]

Alien planet, different dimension, 3k light years away. Not earth, not Mars, Yada Yada

[eternal talon]

Depending on the context of "worked" his ass would be grass if he stopped anyway

[vestal haven]

oh

[coral gorge]

somehow doesnt have all the logs memorised

https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/Rundown_8.0_Logs#AKK-3XW-EEB

But yeah im mostly referring to this log

[eternal talon]

He says he is with other scientists, so it is entirely possible they could be taking turns in hysrostasis so they have someone avaliable to administer the fluid

[coral gorge]

I mean he says he avoids as much contact as possible with the staff

like i really think there is a way to automate the waking process

[mortal pivot]

Maybe what I'm about to say wont make much sense but I dont get the "we're doomed" impression when we finish R8E2

What I mean is that if the ending's supposed to be a bad one, it doesn't look so at a very superficial glance

If for example the prisoners started coughing ominously or whatever right before the ending it'd be more obvious

[burnt wren]

That's a fair point, but as you said - its very... Shallow of analysis, knowing all that we know about GTFO's lore and NAM-V in particular.

Like there's no fucking way they did not get reinfected while fighting through E2.

[mortal pivot]

It's also a level that doesn't have spitters or poisonous fog

[burnt wren]

Yes, but there's NO FUCKING WAY sleepers don't carry any in their bites or shooter projectiles

[mortal pivot]

True