gtfo-lore

[loud urchin]

I hate taking my child for its yearly MOT

[solemn wagon]

mot?

yearly meeting of teaching?

you [people not from where im from](garganta -1200km), always so strange

[loud urchin]

https://www.theaa.com/mot/advice/what-is-checked-during-an-mot

[solemn wagon]

AHHHHHHH

damn

your child is a mode of transport?

such a lucky parent

[loud urchin]

MOT in this case actually stands for Ministry of Transport which was the arm of the govt that used to do the tests back in the 60s

why is this shit so confusing

this is why I don't own a car

[solemn wagon]

mine yells at me when im sitting on the couch and then comes and licks my hair

[solemn wagon]

gas prices worse than iridium prices

[solemn wagon]

he's now in #pet-pics

[eternal talon]

Pet pics?

[royal crow]

CUTE

i been thinking of getting a cat lately

but i dont know shit about cats

[loud urchin]

cats are overrepresented, get something fun(nier) instead

[eternal talon]

Cats are demanding little shits that both want you to spend time with them and leave them the fuck alone simultaneously

You are their pet

[loud urchin]

sounds about right for an animal that evolved to sound more like human babies so we'd go "awww so cute I wanna take care of you"

[eternal talon]

They are also this
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dH-32eFvAcA

[loud urchin]

yeah, checks out

I don't think I could own a pet, too much effort and money and not what I'm looking for

[eternal talon]

I mean cat food is like $25 for a bag that will last you a month, and as long as you keep them in good health vet visits are non-existant

[sudden quarry]

erm how does this relate to the gtfo lore

[royal crow]

going back to GTFO

idk what it is
But R6 hits different in all aspects

it feels right

even more than R7 and R8

[eternal talon]

the lore is dead. the game is over

we've learned everything there is to learn

[royal crow]

hey frosty

how u doing

[eternal talon]

im actually doing really good.

prepping for a 4-day backpacking trip

[cold sphinx]

Good news then

[warped bloom]

The new one

[next scroll]

I mean there will be updates that wont change much but if they would make a prequel / sequel to this game, there would be small hints pointing to it

also is there any lore from how chargers become chargers?

[warped bloom]

Mutation

[burnt wren]

Dr Hammerstein (if we can trust his judgement) assumed that they are basically the warrior class of the sleeper hive, or something like that.
No specifics though. Most likely just a different or an extra prolonged form of mutation.

[next scroll]

cause i thought they were either mutated or died and even were used

like we see corpses throughout each facility but we see a few of them here and there

[burnt wren]

Devs are just not that great at environmental story telling.

[coral gorge]

the charger ceiling! what is its lore?! WHAT IS ITS LORE 10CC?!

[next scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/cr1tikal-cr1tikal-screaming-cr1tikal-disappearing-screaming-disappearing-gif-23950917

^10 chambers when the people ask for lore about something that doesn’t make sense^

[coral gorge]

sweden lore moment

[next scroll]

Spoiler:|| Im a Norwegian ||

[coral gorge]

but you arent the same. In a rainbow you see the bridge to the land of gods, the asgard, while the swedes see gender orientations

or smth like that

thats how scandinavians work right

[next scroll]

Us (Norwegians) see Sweden as a poor country

[coral gorge]

fuckers you see everyone as a poor country

and i like that way of looking at countries

[next scroll]

Im still dying 🤣

[next scroll]

what, lookin down on other poor countries

[coral gorge]

nah just calling countries who are not poor by average standards poor

why would anyone who is normal look down on poor countries

actually a lot of people probably

[next scroll]

"oh and sorry but i actually am a Polish citizen which currently lives in Norway for most of their life 🤓 "

[coral gorge]

holy shit you're polish?

[next scroll]

yup

[next scroll]

Plinkle dinkle

[coral gorge]

me too

[next scroll]

O KURWA

[coral gorge]

except im still living in this lovely country

[next scroll]

damn

[coral gorge]

why wont anyone nuke it into the sea

[next scroll]

Cause of not dying "built different"

[coral gorge]

lol

[honest summit]

Thats what Smoking does to you

[long glacier]

Why don't they just nuke the complex lol

[coral gorge]

This question has been asked so many times

so ill just say

who would nuke it

[long glacier]

Lol

[coral gorge]

also ekhm, R8

[burnt wren]

There's no one left to nuke it from the outside. The world died from the mega coof before anyone found out about the mutants - they are a phenomena exlusive to the complex.

[solemn wagon]

Radiation won’t completely purge all life in the complex
So it is essentially worthless

[burnt wren]

Also that, but that's besides the point.

[coral gorge]

and mexico

some sleepers were found outside garganta

[burnt wren]

That's after the fall

[coral gorge]

Yeah

I mean some govs survived up till that point

[next scroll]

damn. some people that worked inside the complex were seen by other individuals along with the symptoms that they experienced

[solemn wagon]

you mean some infected people from the complex were sen by doctors from outside?

[burnt wren]

Yeah, but Gargantha was essentially under lockdown and and complete radio silence. Anyone who was inside couldn't tell anyone anything.

[next scroll]

basically it was a lockdown at a Pentagon DEFCON 5

[solemn wagon]

someone did make it out to spread NAM-V
and that was patient zero

[next scroll]

there was the big bang tho

[solemn wagon]

I might be wrong

[burnt wren]

There is a log somewhere of a report from senior medical officer. He was essentially blasting Garganta administration for not telling him shit. The medical facilities are constantly overrun with people hurt in unusual ways, with unusual wounds and symothoms and NO one tells them shit.
THEY KNOW something's going on down there. Some of the patients slip up about the "creatures" that attack them. But the KOVAC is just "Nothing to see here, citizen."

[solemn wagon]

but the big explosion released the virus to the upper layers
and then someone got out
thus releasing NAM V to the outside world

[next scroll]

apart from Dauda who got alzheimers after entering HSU with da gang

[burnt wren]

The entire project was a failure of responsibility. You'd think when humanity itself was at stake they'd try to salvage things.

[next scroll]

Humanity and big organizations be like: NUH UH

[solemn wagon]

but like

consider

money

[burnt wren]

Humanity perished never knowing what happened. The only people who got close to the truth were the WHO Daylight mission, and they didn't live long enough to report their findings to higher ups.

[solemn wagon]

this is exactly what happened with covid lmao

[next scroll]

yes but we responded quickly

[solemn wagon]

we gave a shit

[burnt wren]

You'd think that doesn't matter where you potential clientelle is fucking DYING IN THE STREETS.

A line is drawn somewhere.

I think THE HUMANITY GOING EXTINCT is a big one.

[solemn wagon]

santonian doesnt sell to the chumps dying on the street
the sell to other corporations/ people who have money
thus are safe(r) from the virus

[burnt wren]

You have to be the top 1% most evil mfk in the world to be like "nah, i think the optics and the prestige of my organisation is more important".

[solemn wagon]

that literally is what happened

but they wont say they're "evil"

[next scroll]

there is a log where humanity and its organizations are cooperating to at least stop the spread of the virus

its a WHO log if im correct

[solemn wagon]

only after it got so bad that the top 1% started getting affected

I love GTFO lore :)

[burnt wren]

I hate it

Its lame and predictable

[next scroll]

thats only something that would happen in the US

[next scroll]

true but they went with the setting of the game i feel like

its mainly depressing and just lonely in general

[burnt wren]

Fair i suppose, the vibe is consistant

No hope, no salvation

[solemn wagon]

yea it fits because 10CC needed some level of realism

[next scroll]

they didnt

they couldve just made some shit up

[solemn wagon]

youre right
its just for the vibe

[burnt wren]

Still, i just find it lame. Get better material already.

[next scroll]

instead it was their decision and i think it was just a, at least lets flesh out something for the community-part where theories and speculation is

[solemn wagon]

the no hope thing fits better when its actually someone's fault rather than unavoidable

[burnt wren]

A story of them ACTUALLY trying to find a solution and failing anyway is far more potent. And also more depressing too.

Also we never found out who the fuck patient zero is

We know he exists, we know he left the facility out of his own accord

Who was that man? Why did he leave? Did he know he's sick?

There's a story to tell there and we get nothing.

[next scroll]

i mean there is a BIG FUCKING HOLE in each complex where you see the floor and everything else blown up so it mustve been somekind of explosion that caused the bigger spread of it all

its just a speculation on my part

[burnt wren]

That not quite how it works, and i think the game's writer agrees

The holes had nothing to do with it

It was a multi layered failure of the staff of the complex

[next scroll]

I mean the infection is airborne

[burnt wren]

It all starts with the log of some research team or another not following the safety guidelines and entering a new area without protective gear. They all become the first infected.

[next scroll]

one just had to have tped back to the facility and spread it farther

[burnt wren]

The infection spreads within the complex, mostly localized to lower levels where people go into The Inner. People notice, people give them nicknames because of the unique symptoms, but nothing is done besides just observing (not that there was anything they could do).

Alright. This dooms the complex. Cool. Put it on a quarantine - win win. Complex dies, humanity lives.

Failure #2: The Patient Zero.

How the fuck did he escape? Why? What for? Is he insane? Whatever.

Failure #3: They fail to stop him from reaching the mainland of.

Failure #4: Once he's up and about Santonian says NOTHING to ANYONE outside of their trusted circles.

The world goes to shit around them, observably, objective, on every possible level, and they're replaying the "this is fine" meme.

My best steelman was that they were hoping to find the cure (after all they had the best equipment and access to information about the virus) and come out the heroes in the end of it.

Unfortunately nothing they did after this point mattered. The virus is unstopable - they various logs into its' nature pretty much say as much.

The only semi-viable solution are the HSUs. And we don't have 7 billion of them. Also they wipe your memory. Even IF we had 7 billion of them to stasis the whole humanity - we would be returned to the stone age just by the fact that everyone would forget how to make anything complex.

Engineers, surgeons, and various other high-level productives would be factory reset to at best be a clumsy farmer.

Absolutely cursed, all of it.

Unironically BIOCOM could be the solution. You could turn him into WAU from SOMA.

Give it the objective to protect what's left of humanity, by any means necessary.

But then there's the WARDEN bullshit, the collectors... Bah.

Actually... Now that i think about it... BIOCOM is the best vektor the game has for a sequel.

They mentioned they used this system before. Perhaps Garganta wasn't the only place where it was installed. Maybe there are sister BIOCOMs somewhere.

[coral gorge]

id assume so

surely KOVAC has used biocom in many other places

i dont remember if legion was made just for garganta either

[eternal talon]

"Evolution has had millions of years to fight the virus. We have months."

[eternal talon]

just some dickhead that got sick, got sent up to the relaxation camps on the surface, it got out into the sea water, and spread via ocean currents north to the southern US coast and eventually the UK/europe

[burnt wren]

I don't remember those details

[eternal talon]

tbf, it is everything borne. including jason borne

[burnt wren]

I remember he reached and beached in either Florida of California. Florida, i think.

That was also where first cases of the sick started happening. Because duh.

[eternal talon]

-- not even a full team, literally just two knuckleheads that weren't using required hazmat equipment

FOR SOME REASON

[eternal talon]

even the wau was... miserable at best.

[burnt wren]

I mean... Simon.

Simon was its' best product.

[eternal talon]

also not with the warden puppeting it

[burnt wren]

Maybe there was a hope.

[eternal talon]

thats a whole nother' problem

[eternal talon]

it wasn't. they had used it for many years before, and biocom wasn't initially housed at garganta either, they had to bring it in while KDS-DEEP was under construction and it was housed in a huge ass aircraft hangar temporarily

[plush nest]

To be fair millions of years is not a lot in terms of evolution

Unless I am thinking of like 1-10 million

[eternal talon]

to be fair, evolution also lost

in countless universes

[next scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-up-dont-talk-close-mouth-grab-lips-mad-family-gif-21732788

[plush nest]

Still infinite universes surely there is one where it won

[eternal talon]

if there is, the collectors never found it.

-- and assuming destination time, they've been at it for at least 7 trillion years

[plush nest]

Still infinity is beyond comprehension

[burnt wren]

We still don't know what collectors even do besides collecting

The "haha i collect things for the sake of collecting" thing is boring. There has to be a reason for it, right?

[long glacier]

😭 they got a hoarding habit

[clear furnace]

Honestly I just hate how the writers wrote themselves into a corner. I genuinely think a sequel/prequel where you see the before during and after of garganta. Ultimately resulting in finding a way to stop namv. Whether through a cure or weapon of sorts.

[royal crow]

i dont think its the writers fault at all

[burnt wren]

explain

[royal crow]

they probably got rushed to finish GTFO
it seems they wanted to do a lot more than what we got

at least thats how i feel the situation

[burnt wren]

Actually yeah, that's fair.

[cunning light]

In all honesty I like the refreshing lack of cliffhanging, for a change.

[burnt wren]

If they were not given enough time - then unless they are 200 IQ savantas they not doing anything amazing.

[solemn wagon]

this is great

[final sentinel]

tbf there’s a difference between a loose end for a sequel and a cliffhanger

[burnt wren]

I agree with the sentiment. Still doesn't help that much...

[final sentinel]

Also I feel like I WAS cliffhung

[burnt wren]

Also wait

[cunning light]

As much as I appreciated the Complex and how gruesome it was

[burnt wren]

There IS a cliffhanger

R8E2 is one big fucking cliffhanger

Don't even

I mean, we can GUESS what happens after

[cunning light]

Frostty would argue otherwise

[final sentinel]

LITERALLY A CLIFFHANGER

[cunning light]

We are doomed

[final sentinel]

well yeah

Bur like the rest of the people there

[cunning light]

All that remains to know is "how long do we still live for"

[burnt wren]

But honestly i feel like the game's rules on how NAM-V works seems to be changing widly based on what devs wanted. One rundown is the most unstopable inescapable virus in the world and in the other we have people going "nah, i dodged it, lmao"

[cunning light]

You are cute.

Still hoping in this hopeless ending

[royal crow]

schaeffer 💀

he should be dead by now

but mf is built different

[final sentinel]

They explained this

Like

Several times

[burnt wren]

Not Schaeffer

[cunning light]

I want Schaeffer plot armor, if I ever make it into a movie or a game

[burnt wren]

Man's been climbing through ventilations for a month

[final sentinel]

I thought he used HSU’s?

[burnt wren]

He should be showing sympthoms at the very least

[final sentinel]

He was

[solemn wagon]

he just got that dawg in him

[royal crow]

he is just better

heh

[burnt wren]

I don't remember that ever being mentioned by the game.

[final sentinel]

There was absolutely a log where he was symptomatic and then he went into hydrostasis at KDS deep

wait a mcfucking second

[burnt wren]

Its the only way we can assume he did it, but i feel like it just introduces more problems.

[royal crow]

uuuuuuh

[solemn wagon]

wait dont you need to be released from hsus by the wrden?

[royal crow]

how did he woke up then

[solemn wagon]

yea then he got deployed as a prisoner

[burnt wren]

Who wakes him up? How comes Warden doesn't just grab him while he's a sleep? Also there's an argument to be made that he's not going inside again either, not after everything KSO related that happened to him.

[final sentinel]

did he get woken up by the Influx Protocol in R5E1 ? And that’s why he shows up at the start of R6 again???

holy bruh

i had always wondered

[royal crow]

but you can hear the metal bangs on R1D1

[solemn wagon]

im assuming that biocom woke him up before the warden took control of it

[final sentinel]

I’m gonna assume

That he did that post HSU

And he recorded the R4-5 logs pre hsu

[royal crow]

also you can read one log of him in R3D1

after he woke up

and he doesnt know what happened

[final sentinel]

Yes

[solemn wagon]

yea

[burnt wren]

Still i don't remember a log of him climbing into one besides the VERY first one, during the time facility was overrun

[final sentinel]

I see it

I see the lines

Maybe

Guys I swear I’m not crazy

[royal crow]

nah bro

you are

sorry

[final sentinel]

i will explain it to you

In due time

[royal crow]

please do

[final sentinel]

legit tho it does kind of make sense

[royal crow]

or else i will D3 your computer

[final sentinel]

Also keep in mind, we’re probably mixing up ALT and OG logs here

which are technically different

sigh

[royal crow]

nope

ALT log has the one with Schaeffer waking up and leaving a log on R3D1

[final sentinel]

…yes and?

[royal crow]

you know waht Dak

[final sentinel]

i’m talking OG schaeffer

[royal crow]

lets leave this to frostty

[final sentinel]

Not alt

Alt didn’t have that

Because alt you meet him in R4

[royal crow]

yea

honestly
i dont know where this conversation is leading to

[final sentinel]

and the ALT wrdn needed him, no?

listen

Let me have my slightly weird headcanons

[royal crow]

lol

sure

GTFO is weird after all

[eternal talon]

Schaeffer discrepancy. A very old one. One of the biggest unsolved plot holes.

He breaks free from the warden after his squad gets TPK'd in r4, yet, the warden didn't have access to his hydrostasis unit (or any of kds-deep for that matter), until the very end of r5.

No explanation as to how he woke up, how he got out of kds-deep (since everything is still on lockdown until our squad lifts it in r5e1), and no answer for how the warden put him in a squad

^ ALL of the above is in the original worldline

[plush nest]

Is it possible that he is in another kds-deep or does it specifically say that he is in that one?

[clear furnace]

+1

[eternal talon]

It is only the one that exists.

[plush nest]

I thought when we were talking about r8e2 how it looked different from the one in r5e1

We came to the conclusion that there could have been two

[eternal talon]

That is true... until you realse he was in the pit we go to in r5e1 because he uses the terminal to close the pod and record his message

If it was the r8e2... he likely could have found a new way out. He was stuck in there for over a week before he committed to hydrostasis

He would have checked every nook and cranny he could get to for an opening

(There is also the problem of the delivery chute he could have climbed up in and over to the other side of the door)

It would have been tough, but if kids can climb up those dumbwaiters... there is a chance he could too

[solar nova]

What evidence is there that there is an unknown quad in the alt worldline vs. just the alt quad in the alt timeline?

[eternal talon]

primarily the following:

worldlines merge in r8 (shown via environmental storytelling and earthquakes)
alt//r6 includes the corpses of bishop and dauda, but NOT woods and hackett.
r8 has several full squad corpses, and a single extra woods and a single extra hackett by themselves in the earlier levels.
alt//schaeffer notes having seen a squad of KSOs encounter a Unit and a group of sleepers, which resulted in the death of two of the KSOs. -- This matches with the scene encountered at the end of alt//r6

Edit: The schaeffer morse code in alt//r1d1 is still unexplained, as alt//schaeffer would still be in stasis or under the warden's control, not being freed until r4

[solar nova]

Which log?

Why not the alt quad and Schaeffer both witnessing an unknown quad?

Alt Schaeffer is free as early as R3, so not necessarily.

[eternal talon]

** I saw something. Someone. It was a human, approximately. It was standing in the middle of a mass of creatures, and they weren't attacking it. The creatures knew it was there, but... pheromones? Temperature? Some kind of... social or behavioral characteristic? I don't know. Then a quad of mercenaries came through a security door and before the creatures attacked them, this human - clone; I think - reached a hand out to them. Then the creatures attacked the mercenaries, and by the time the chaos was over, the clone was dead and so were two of the mercenaries. The clone clearly didn't want to hurt the mercenaries. It was trying to communicate. It was weak and looked like it was dying, but... If I see another one like it, I'm going to try to talk to it. Him. Yes, him. Hearsay off.** - FFW-HYY-6FL

[eternal talon]

still, far later than r1. that schaeffer is unexplained as to where they came from and went.

[solar nova]

We have no reason to think Schaeffer couldn't have been free by then.

We also don't know that any morse code is Schaeffer vs. other people.

[eternal talon]

schaeffer was the last person alive in the complex. we know from his logs (which are also repeated in the alt//worldline) that he wandered the facility for quite some time before eventually making his way to kds-deep to get trapped

[solar nova]

Actually, we do from chievo.

[eternal talon]

what is chevio?

[eternal talon]

then yep, no doubt.

not og and not alt.

so has to have come from somewhere

i do realise that does cause the question of where the fuck he went, but that is another can of worms

[solar nova]

But you already said this is a plot hole, and R3 and R4 are both before R5, OG or Alt.

We've no reason to think Schaeffer couldn't be around as early as R1 in alt.

[eternal talon]

the schaeffer discrepancy is a plot hole. -- that of him being in a squad in r4 to escape from before he could be accessed in r5.

[eternal talon]

if that were the case he would be under the warden's control. not free.

so he wouldnt have been capable of doing the morse message

[solar nova]

There is no reason to think that.

[eternal talon]

then he would be dead? we know the time difference between the collapse and roughly when the game takes place as soon as the start of r3, and its a matter of half a decade

nam-v infection kills within five weeks.

im just saying. he was not a kso before he entered hydrostasis and he was after. the exact same thing happened with dauda.

[solar nova]

This issue doesn't differentiate between Schaeffer being freed in R1, R3, or R4.

[solar nova]

This doesn't appear to be relevant.

[eternal talon]

he literally says he broke free during r4 though? did you forget the "escape" terminal password and messages from back then?

[solar nova]

What do you think I mean by differentiating between the cases?

In the context of what I replied to specifically.

[eternal talon]

it goes to prove the case that he couldnt have held out and entered hydrostasis later. he would have been infected and killed.

[solar nova]

If you wanted to prove this, you could simply point to the R3 logs where Schaeffer describes being a KSO.

[eternal talon]

what do you mean? personally i dont see any reason to assume he escaped prior to when he first started interacting with us and we encountered the report that he did escape

[eternal talon]

his is John Schaeffer. I… I'm recording this so I… so if anyone finds me this will… explain… what is that… VOICE? I can't stop it… come on… breathe… This is John Schaeffer. I… I think, maybe, I am a prisoner? Or maybe… I work in this place? I don't know what… I don't remember… I think I was unconscious or, or I had an accident? There is… a voice, it's telling me, ordering me, demanding… "EXTRACT! RETREAT! COMPLY! EXTRACT! RETREAT"… Stop it! Stop! It's okay. You can ignore it. I'm not listening. I can't hear it. I don't hear you! Now… where was I? Remember… I was… with some people… QUIET! We were… we had weapons! We had weapons and THAT VOICE was giving orders, giving us all orders, but then… we were attacked? Yes, something attacked us and then EXTRACT! RETREAT! COMPLY! I will not! I DO NOT HEAR YOU! Where are the others? Did they… I think… I think they're dead. They're dead and I… did I escape? Yes, I escaped and now all I hear is THAT VOICE. COMPLY! My name is John Schaeffer. My name is John Schaeffer. My name is… Wait! I'm an… engineer! Not a prisoner! An engineer! I will NOT comply. I'm John Schaeffer, and I'm an engineer, and now… I'm here. Why? Why am I here? WHY AM I HERE? What did I do? I didn't do anything! Stop! What are you! Stop the voice… I have to stop the voice. I have to STOP IT— r3c1 in alt//

B94-E5W-52K

does that suffice?

[solar nova]

Frostty.

I am telling that you are arguing a point that is not in dispute, and you're not arguing it very well.

Yes, that is the log that I'm talking about.

[eternal talon]

what about it makes you think he broke free in r1 and could have made the morse code?

[solar nova]

In the case that he is free in R1, R3, or R4, the time issue related to the infection is a problem in all cases. You're telling me he couldn't be free by R1 because he would have died to the infection, so instead we should believe that he was free by R3, where he still would have died of the infection. The point that you're making is nonsensical. R1 and R3 have the same problem, and it's much simpler to accept that he was free by R1.

[eternal talon]

he still had the chip though... he said he saw us moving through the corridors and communicating with eachother

[solar nova]

Well, we know it was Schaeffer, so either he wasn't free when he did the morse, or he was free when he did the morse. If he was free, it's much simpler to believe that he is the same Schaeffer we read about in R3 rather than a completely new Schaeffer from another world.

[queen gazelle]

Schaefer is a collector construct designed to make it to a new universe

by any means necessary

[eternal talon]

problem being, he wasnt free at the time (above audio), so he woudlnt be able to tell us to escape because he himself couldnt either

[eternal talon]

we have record of him and his employment fourm before they even began digging. soz.

[queen gazelle]

Sure

but he is insane probs just fake info

Made up by warden

[eternal talon]

... it literally reccomends NOT hiring him iirc

[solar nova]

We don't know that. You can make a log in R1, and then it can be found in R3.

We know that KSOs can resist the Warden's control to some extent, so it's not far-fetched that Schaeffer would bang on the pipes.

[eternal talon]

by that logic it could be assumed every log in the game was recorded years ago,but that was proven in ogr6 to not be the case, as we comminicate with schaeffer in real-time

we simply cannot assume that as it ruins any understanding of pace in the story if they could have happened literally whenever

[eternal talon]

banging on pipes is reasonable... our prisoners beat their faces during the lobby screen... but its what he says i have issue with. he tells us to escape. explicitly resisting.

[queen gazelle]

What is Schaefer fell into the world merge early then the dude is just really cool and keeps dying but out of sight and it is always a new Schaffer would explain why he repeats himself

[solar nova]

In OG R6, we communicate with Schaeffer in real time.

Therefore, every time Schaeffer communicates with us, it's in real time.

???

It's extremely obvious that the logs in OG R4 and R5 are not like Schaeffer's communication in R6.

[solar nova]

He went deepest, brother.

[queen gazelle]

Deeper deeper deeper like Schaefer was a fucking broken record

For so long

[eternal talon]

i think we simply have to agree to disagree in this matter

[solar nova]

Okay? In R7D2 and R8C2 we explicitly resist the WRDN's control.

[queen gazelle]

Idk understand the extent of Wrdn control

like if it is so easy for us just to mri ourselfs

[eternal talon]

while out of range. schaeffer intentionally cut the brakes. the warden objective itself tells us so.

to stay put or some such

i dont remember the explicit quote

i do not remember the circumstances of r8c2 however.

[queen gazelle]

Wrdn has a range???

[eternal talon]

(though in r8 it could be assumed since that is past the time schaeffer tapped into biocom that we could simply ingore it)

and the worldines merging timey-wimey stuff makes that WAAAY too complex to analyze

it could be a number of things

[solar nova]

....or we just have the ability to ignore the Warden, which we clearly do, and which Schaeffer could easily do to send a simple morse code message.

[eternal talon]

yes, that is how schaeffer broke free. his squad got wiped, warden left him for dead, he eventually wandered out of range, got some control, and removed his chip

this happend in both worldlines iirc

[eternal talon]

that is not true. we physically cannot disobey biocom, and warden controls biocom. we are machines

just look at ef01 bishop

[solar nova]

It is very easy to cut down the worldlines to two before R8, which seems a lot more coherent than having an addition worldline out of nowhere prior to AltR1.

[eternal talon]

you forget r8 also introduces the nightmare worldline and the 3-4 that the dead squads belong to

[solar nova]

That is largely the KSO training. Just look at Henrikson.

Yeah, at R8.

Not R1.

[eternal talon]

he wasn't in training though? he was a part of a full team. he was simply just the sole survivor

[solar nova]

And we play as the characters in all 3 instances.

[eternal talon]

he had his training previously and it took 2 years

[solar nova]

Vs. introducing a prequel worldline that we never play as or hear about whatsoever.

[eternal talon]

(I say again, r8 alone has 6-7 different worldlines)

[solar nova]

Even more reason to think he'd bang on the pipes.

[eternal talon]

that we see, and THOUSANDS recorded by insight

[solar nova]

Most of which are irrelevant, and are merging because R8 has lots of mergers.

The earliest we see evidence of that otherwise is AltR6.

[eternal talon]

also destination is its own worldline, so thats 3.

[queen gazelle]

The end of alt r6

[eternal talon]

and the 3 from r6d4

of alternate earths

[queen gazelle]

Right before it starts fucking up in r8

[solar nova]

That's not what I'm talking about.

I'm talking about sets of characters.

[queen gazelle]

Yeah the end of r6

R6cX has to be the last thing that happens

before r8

[eternal talon]

so the dozen worldlines pre-r8 matter, but not to the extent that they have their own characters?

[solar nova]

We clearly have a pre-MWP section of the story and a post-MWP section of the story, and it's not clear that mergers are happening until late AltR6 and R8.

[eternal talon]

completely writing out the possibility of a single quad dying before alt// are really reductive

[queen gazelle]

I just think the game has no evidence of it

tbh

[solar nova]

You're not just claiming that there are these worldlines, you're claiming specifically that there are two worldlines interacting in or prior to AltR1

Obviously, there are tons of worlds where we wipe.

But worlds where we wipe, and then magically another world merges into that, and that becomes the alt world, is a wild leap in logic.

[eternal talon]

No, we literally go to a bunch of worldline before r8

[queen gazelle]

Just the r6 ones?

or what other ones

[eternal talon]

R6d4 has 3 different earths, and destination itself is a worldline

[queen gazelle]

so just in r6

We have other world lines

[solar nova]

This is not evidence of anything.

There is no way of tying this back to AltR1.

[eternal talon]

Also did you forget the start of alt//?

[solar nova]

You're just bringing it up for no reason.

[eternal talon]

Alt 1 and 2 where people were having memories from different worldlines?

[solar nova]

You do not understand my argument, or you don't understand the position espoused by your own diagram.

[eternal talon]

From the very beginning there was some evidence of merging, it just wasn't done yet

[eternal talon]

It's not my diagram. If you would actually read

[solar nova]

Well whoever's it is, it's closer to headcanon than actually describing the story.

[eternal talon]

Mr truth made it VERY clear there were worldlines merging from the very beginning of alt and even before the apocalypse. He killed his wife because of it for goodness sake

(Though debatable, could be nam-v if he was infected at the time)

Didn't he make like 3 different broadcasts about the memories?

[solar nova]

Even if I grant all of that.

[queen gazelle]

Mr state of truth can’t be taken for trustworthy source ngl

[solar nova]

There's just no evidence that the alt world is a continuition from a pre-gameplay wipe.

[eternal talon]

Specifically, what do you mean by "pre-gameplay wipe"

[solar nova]

Well, the diagram clearly describes the alt quad dying before AltR1, and an unknown quad merging into or otherwise being sent into that world.

I don't see why we wouldn't assume that the alt quad is alive, and the ones playing through the alt timeline .

[eternal talon]

Then what is your explanation for the corpses of bishop and dauda in r6cx according to your understanding?

[solar nova]

There are lots of mergers sometime after R6, due to over-use of the MWP and related artifacts, and it's just a part of that, same as corpses of ourselves seen in R8. Presentation-wise, it's also a very clear teaser leading into R8.

[eternal talon]

Right, but that isn't after r6. Those corpses are there during r6. When r8 starts, there is earthquakes and terrain shifting and a whole ton of spectacle showing the active merging, is there not?

And on the topic, if not them, what team do you believe schaeffer saw that ended in the exact same way? With a unit dead and two kso casualties

[solar nova]

It is the very end of the very last level of R6.

After we have used the MWP twice, interacted with data cubes twice...

[eternal talon]

Yet no earthquakes or warping that we see constantly in r8

[cunning light]

They appear only at the very end of R6, after we (and any other alternate version of us in the multiverse) have been jumping around dimensions back and forth.

[solar nova]

Schaeffer is literally the same as us. We are both walking in on a 3rd party.

[cunning light]

Once again, I agree with Rayalot here, that you are making assumptions

And I completely understand that you have to, at some point

I just disagree with these statements :)

[queen gazelle]

I think a better assumption to make is the bodies murge faster than the earth

[eternal talon]

I don't think I can ever agree with you guys. The scene schaeffer described perfectly matches what we see in r6cx. It is otherwise never mentioned again, because we literally see it. There isn't a shadow of a doubt in my mind that it is the intended observation

[queen gazelle]

So they were present in r6

[cunning light]

It exactly matches the description of a team (which could be any version of the squad) in this situation.

[eternal talon]

I think the only thing that would ever settle this is a dev outright coming down here and saying what they intended with that scene and log

[queen gazelle]

Na

[solar nova]

You're ascribing a belief to me that I don't hold.

[cunning light]

That would be one of the great questions to ask, if we ever get a Q&A session

[solar nova]

I think that we and Schaeffer are observing the same scene.

[eternal talon]

And to me it's stronger than concrete

[queen gazelle]

We don’t care about the devs opinion on what is in the text

[cunning light]

I still hope that they can plan one in the future at some point

[eternal talon]

We very clearly have opposite interpretations and neither of us are willing to budge

So I like said before, let's just agree to disagree

[solar nova]

You're just not thinking coherently.

[eternal talon]

temper

[solar nova]

How is my position at odds with Schaeffer and us observing the same scene in AltR6CX?

[eternal talon]

Because if it as you say, was because of a worldline merging, the schaeffer back then wouldn't have seen it because it hadn't merged yet.

He saw that pre-collapse

Over half a decade ago

[solar nova]

What reason is there to think he saw it pre-collapse?

[eternal talon]

He wasn't a kso yet. Hadn't gone to deep and gotten himself locked in

And is othereise... normal-ish

[solar nova]

And what log is this?

[queen gazelle]

I mean Schaffer probs killed those two

[eternal talon]

Once he went to deep he was stuck. He was in there for over a week starving to death

He only entered hydrostasis to not die

[solar nova]

What log is this?

[eternal talon]

I'm on my phone rn about to go to work so can't pull it

Maybe Cho can help?

[cunning light]

I do not have the log reference from the top of my head. But the incident occurred earlier than "OG DX" since it is described in OG R6 log unless I am mistaken

[solar nova]

I do not think that this is an OG R6 log.

[cunning light]

However, we know that time can flow faster in alternate worldlines, so a team could very well have been using the MWP before other versions of us

[solar nova]

The important thing imo is where this log is found, and what state Schaeffer is in when he's witnessing these events, because the log doesn't sound like it's a pre-KSO Schaeffer.

So, no, this seems like it's Schaeffer from AltR3, we get access to this in AltR6C2, and there's no reason to think this wouldn't be post-collapse or early parts of the collapse.

[eternal talon]

Early/late collapse is what I meant. In ogr6 there were three logs written by schaeffer as he made his way through the sleeper infested complex on his way to kds-deep to search for anybody left alive

The og log I was referring to was the final log where he got trapped in deep

[eternal talon]

Really? Isn't this an audio log? I could have sworn comparing it to ogr6 clips of him talking was night and day

Also sidenote; schaeffer calling it a "him" is VASTLY different to how he is post-hsu, yelling at it calling it a "FUCKING MUTANT"

[cunning light]

This log is from Alt://Schaeffer

OG Schaeffer only expressed fear, then aggression, towards Units

To me this event occurred when our OG wordline (and likely several others) began merging / interacting with the Alt:// one

[eternal talon]

Alt//schaeffer was the same prior to his encounter with the unit in r6, no? Isn't his escape logs and such written in the same erratic manner?

(Specifically when he escaped his team)

[eternal talon]

It can't be though because both og and alt team are alive in r8 for e1 and e2

Unless your considering a third team alive, not just corpses

[cunning light]

Not just one, many

Just not "here" where R8 takes place

[eternal talon]

I know a fuckton. We are talking pre r8 here though, right?

R8 starts with earthquakes and tons of warpy effects the same as the mwp on terrain and stuff

[cunning light]

In Alt:// , when Schaeffer makes it to KDS Deep he is deeply exhausted, but not crazy.

[eternal talon]

Isn't the text literally identical???

[cunning light]

In OG, he has already lost quite a bit of his mind when he makes it

[eternal talon]

In both og and alt

[cunning light]

Nope

[eternal talon]

Post

[coral gorge]

so what we talking about today?

schaeffer shenanigans?

[eternal talon]

Arguing

[coral gorge]

about?

[eternal talon]

About the squad that is dead in r6cx

[coral gorge]

i mean

id say its true ALT squad

[eternal talon]

As usual, neither of us are backing down

[coral gorge]

lol

[eternal talon]

Devolved into arguing if the schaeff in alt//r1 banging in morse is alt//schaeffer lmao

[coral gorge]

id say its true ALT squad who die there, and then in ALT R1 X squad warps into alt wordline with x schaeffer, x squad becomes the new alt squad, x schaeffer uses pipes in R1D1 and then dies in some hole or smth

i dont think its alt schaeffer

seems way too early

[eternal talon]

And rn just more arguing about schaeffer

[coral gorge]

i mean, when should alt scheaffer be released from his hsu in ALT?

surely not pre ALT R1

[eternal talon]

That's what I said, but the response was "but the logs could have just been made back then and we didn't find them until now"

Since no dates

[eternal talon]

The log when he breaks free of his team is found in alt//r3

[coral gorge]

ehhhh, ALT R6 logs are defo fresh thats for sure, like they happen mid ALT R6 if i had to take a guess

[coral gorge]

yeah i remember that

[eternal talon]

Iirc og escape log is found in r4 but could be wrong

[coral gorge]

yeah R4, R4B2 morse code right?

[eternal talon]

Personally I think arguing about when non-dated logs take place is ridiculous. If it isn't from an obvious time period like pre-collapse or is lacking context, I've always assumed it was made during the rundown it was found

[coral gorge]

yeah i think that makes more sense

[eternal talon]

That has been the standard since r6 over a year ago

But it's different now I guess according to some people

Idk

[coral gorge]

btw have we ever established around what year the rundowns take place?

[eternal talon]

R3 is confirmed 2063

[cunning light]

It would not make any sense for most of these to have been recorded during our experience of the rundowns

[coral gorge]

and the fall happened in the year...?

[eternal talon]

Half a decade after the facility was overrun

[coral gorge]

you sure?

[eternal talon]

I don't remember the date for that

[coral gorge]

id say the ALT R3 logs could have been made around ALT R3

[cunning light]

Yes. As far as we know, as of 2063 almost everyone in the Complex is dead

[coral gorge]

i mean

i mean the schaeffer ones

obv the other ones are from around the fall

or before it

[eternal talon]

Last living person recorded was killed by the warden locking the doors (not counting the daylight/who team or whatever)

[coral gorge]

connors logs are prolly less than a year after fall

[eternal talon]

And that was 5 or 6 years before 2063

[cunning light]

Schaeffer ones would split into two categories, before KDS Deep / HSU trip and after

[twin quartz]

what do the prisoners eat

[coral gorge]

fuck you

=)

[twin quartz]

i dont think thats a food cubix

[coral gorge]

i gave you the answer

the exact same one you'll get here

[twin quartz]

you said a complicated ass science word that makes no sense, amino something, thats not food

[coral gorge]

HSUs give us nutrients when we sleep

[twin quartz]

the hsu's gotta get food from somewhere to give to us, so where does hsu food come from

[coral gorge]

thank you very much

[cold sphinx]

Luckyly lore master is offine

[coral gorge]

she wasnt long ago

[twin quartz]

Is kds deep the place we go to find a tree

[coral gorge]

n o

KDS Deep is kds deep

the tree place was gardens

its literally written there

[twin quartz]

R8e2 says go to kds deep, we go to kds deep and get taken to a cave with a tree

[coral gorge]

ah

that

thats a fucking diffrent dimension

[twin quartz]

The sand dimension, or some third dimension

[coral gorge]

third

destination (sand dimension) is destination

[pine hatch]

New place.

[twin quartz]

So what's the deal with the sand dimension

[cold sphinx]

[coral gorge]

its a diffrent dimension

[twin quartz]

Why do we keep going to the sand dimension

[coral gorge]

overtaken by nam-v

[cold sphinx]

Bro dont play the game

[pine hatch]

It's where the original Matter Wave incident brought them to, yeah?

[cold sphinx]

And just asks everything

[coral gorge]

cause thats the one place most data cubes are calibrated to

[coral gorge]

yup

EF-01, rip og durant

[twin quartz]

Can we not just recalibrate the cubes to go to the tree

[cold sphinx]

Durant sussy

[pine hatch]

What... do you think... Rundown 8 is

[coral gorge]

yeah

oh right i frogot you played like 2 missions from R8

[cold sphinx]

As ive told us

[coral gorge]

hahaha

[cold sphinx]

He dont play the game

[coral gorge]

fucking lore ignorant prick

[twin quartz]

Why do we specifically need to go to the most dangerous place in the complex to reconfigure the cubes

[pine hatch]

wut

[fresh solar]

Amino acids are proteins. We need those to live

[cold sphinx]

Hes infecting lore chat now

[twin quartz]

Is there not some higher level we can do it on

[cold sphinx]

My calls are clear enough

He dont even touch R6 by 2 bits

[fresh solar]

Sleepy play the game and then ask 4000 questions

[coral gorge]

its straight up said in the mission why

[pine hatch]

I mean, I guess if you're gonna ask questions about the game without watching hours of Scalar, this is the place to do that

[coral gorge]

lol

[twin quartz]

why?

[coral gorge]

im still laughing at the fact scalers theory was correct in the end

[cold sphinx]

Thing is

If u dont have nothing to start

[coral gorge]

terminals needed to wipe the cubes are only in refineries, all other refiniereis are worse/out of power

[twin quartz]

couldnt we use one of the billion other MWP spots in the complex, just give them the new blocks

[cold sphinx]

Didnt even do B1-2

Smh

[twin quartz]

yeah but what of r8e2, we couldnt have gone to a place we cleared beforehand

[coral gorge]

the whole point was to warp out with the HSUs in kds deep

not alone

like why would you warp out 4 people

[pine hatch]

Because we are saving those people

[twin quartz]

did we even bring the HSU's tho? i never saw the HSU's in the tree dimension

[coral gorge]

blind

the fucking walls are lined with them

[cold sphinx]

No no

He ran with gerz outside

[royal crow]

what is this

whats happening

[coral gorge]

leave alex

we have lost lore chat

[cold sphinx]

So its understandable

[coral gorge]

its too late

[coral gorge]

ah

[royal crow]

sleepy is here

[coral gorge]

still

blind

[royal crow]

oh man

we just need to answer his questions

easy

[coral gorge]

yeah, see you in 2 weeks

[pine hatch]

We bring the HSUs becaise there are people in them. Uninfected people.

[cold sphinx]

As me and a wise man told: “play the game lmao”

[pine hatch]

We're trying to save humanity here

[twin quartz]

arent they dead tho

[coral gorge]

why would they

[pine hatch]

Nope

[coral gorge]

the whole point of HSUs is to keep people alive

wtf would they all be dead

[fresh solar]

Since when was pables name Alex

[royal crow]

they are "dead" until they get revived

[royal crow]

its my real name

[twin quartz]

cause i thought this place lost power ages ago

[coral gorge]

since forever

[twin quartz]

thats why all the lights are so fucky

[cold sphinx]

Wait wut

[coral gorge]

...ah yes, teh doors dont have power

the fucking warp gate doesnt have power

[cold sphinx]

How come i didnt know this

[pine hatch]

Failsafes, my friend. Lights go before life support.

[coral gorge]

KDS has its own gens too

[fresh solar]

Why are there lights on

[coral gorge]

specifically to keep biocom and the pods alive

[twin quartz]

i thought powering it all back on was the purpose of the reactor objective, so we could open the doors

[fresh solar]

Why are there active running reactors

[cold sphinx]

E2 reactor was on idle

[twin quartz]

oh tht makes sense, i didnt think of backup gens

[fresh solar]

Skull emote react

[cold sphinx]

It wasnt powered up tho

[royal crow]

some reactors are running, others are dead

others are sleeping

[fresh solar]

There’s a lot more reactors than that

[cold sphinx]

Ye

[fresh solar]

Like 3 in r1 alone

[royal crow]

we arent the only ones making shit in the complex or turning reactors on

[pine hatch]

I mean, there are a LOT of reactor missions

[twin quartz]

i actually got a question about generators

[coral gorge]

Yeah KDS Deep was basicalyl the most secure area in the complex

[cold sphinx]

I mean each sectors lead off a different depth

[royal crow]

fuck
here comes the generators bullshit

[twin quartz]

why do generators need batteries

[cold sphinx]

[royal crow]

cells

[coral gorge]

holy shit

[fresh solar]

To store energy and have auxiliary functions

[cold sphinx]

Bro what are these questions

[coral gorge]

why does your phone need a bettery

[royal crow]

im not having this conversation again

[twin quartz]

the cells are clearly just batteries, those arent fuel rod inserters on the back, those are electrical contacts

[royal crow]

CUbix, Kaiser,Mar

leave him

tbh

jsut leave him

[fresh solar]

also, when shut down… how would you turn it back on

[pine hatch]

This is not a GTFO question

[royal crow]

i already had this conversation
he doesnt understand

[twin quartz]

yeah but arent the generators supposed to siphon off just a little power to keep themselves burning?

[royal crow]

he will keep saying the same shit over and over again

[cold sphinx]

Im gonna say hell ask “do prisoners shit or piss”

[coral gorge]

now my guy. If your clock is out of power, you exchange the batteries

[fresh solar]

To a certain extent

But they don’t produce power then they’re not running

Which again

[royal crow]

BRO
PERPETUAL MACHINES ARENT A THING

[fresh solar]

Is why they need an external power source

[twin quartz]

yes it is, why do the complex generators need batteries

[coral gorge]

and why does your phone, clock, watch need one?

to fucking work

and get power

gens just get the power out of the cells

and into the system

[twin quartz]

yeah but my phone doesnt burn stuff to power itself

[coral gorge]

THEY DONT POWER THEMSELVES

THEY POWER EVERYTHING AROUND THEM

[royal crow]

Cubix
leave him

leave him

please

[coral gorge]

holy shit im losing my mind

[pine hatch]

Yes it does? The power in your phone. Electrical energy in the battery. It's burning THAT

[royal crow]

just leave

[coral gorge]

i need to go to sleep

[twin quartz]

arent generators supposed to have a little capacitor type deal to store just a little big of the energy they produce to use their sparkplugs, like an alternator in a car?

[royal crow]

anyways here comes a real GTFO lore question

[coral gorge]

what is it

[cold sphinx]

Nah

[royal crow]

how big is the alien spaceship?

[cold sphinx]

Save it pable

[royal crow]

like

[coral gorge]

big

=)

[royal crow]

no shit sherlock

[coral gorge]

3km width i wanna say?

[pine hatch]

This big

[twin quartz]

the power comes from the fuel, either nuclear or burned fuel, but they shouldnt need a battery

[coral gorge]

smth like that

[cold sphinx]

Infection has reached lore chat

[fresh solar]

No

[coral gorge]

one of the logs said it

[royal crow]

tbh
idk why mods havent done anything

but hey

[coral gorge]

THE BATTERY IS THE FUCKING FUEL

[fresh solar]

Sleepy how do you think a steam turbine works

[twin quartz]

so what, is it one of those marvel arc reactor things

[royal crow]

half of GTFO usual chat is done with sleepy shenanigans

[coral gorge]

a what now

[cold sphinx]

Pls make human comon sense bro

[twin quartz]

its a battery, it stores a charge, not gasoline

[pine hatch]

Sleepy, the battery is the fuel. It IS the energy source.

[coral gorge]

and the generator releaes that charge

got it?

[twin quartz]

like the thing iron man uses, your claiming that a battery is the fuel for the generator

[royal crow]

it is

IT IS

[coral gorge]

yes

it is

[royal crow]

IT FUCKING IS

[coral gorge]

cell has power - gen sucks out its power - gen puts the power into system

[twin quartz]

how does a generator turn power into more power

[coral gorge]

simple

[royal crow]

TGATS HOW THEY WORK

THATS HOW A GENERATOR WORKS

[coral gorge]

IT SIMPLY MOVES THE POWER FROM A PORTABLE MEDIUM INTO THE SYSTEM

[cold sphinx]

[unkempt marsh]

maybe he is confused cause you call it a battery instead of a cell

[coral gorge]

YOUR PHONE CHARGER DOESNT MAKE MORE POWER IT JUST MOVES IT

[twin quartz]

if they just need the battery as a jumpstart, why do we need three batteries for three gens? just bring one battery and keep it

[cold sphinx]

[unkempt marsh]

and he just latched onto that

[royal crow]

nope
i already had a conversation with him about this with cells instead of batteries
same shit

[pine hatch]

In this case, it's batteries, in a real life scenario, it may be gasoline. But it's the same principal

[coral gorge]

...its not a jumpstart

you dont put the charger into your phone for a second and say its charged

[cold sphinx]

@eternal talon can you shut this mad man down pls

[unkempt marsh]

cause irc the cells are hydrogen cells

[royal crow]

@eternal talon

please

[coral gorge]

god why

[royal crow]

save us

[cold sphinx]

We need you

[coral gorge]

she will suffer here too now

[cold sphinx]

Save us

[coral gorge]

i dont think she can help

[twin quartz]

why do these generators need a battery just to work

[fresh solar]

Is frosty also an industrial engineer lol

[coral gorge]

i dont think anyone can

[royal crow]

im going to kidnap all of GTFO usuals into a server

because everyone will lose their minds here

[cold sphinx]

Good luck lmao

I have my own already

[fresh solar]

Can I have admin in that server uwu

[royal crow]

you are first uwu
i know your IP adress

NOW GET IN THE BASEMENT

[coral gorge]

LISTEN:
cell has power in it. Its a storage medium
generators purpose is to suck out that power and move it into the system
thank you very much for knowing how to read

[cold sphinx]

[coral gorge]

you what now

[royal crow]

what

[cold sphinx]

Nothing

[coral gorge]

kaiserrrrrrr

[pine hatch]

Imagine the generator is like the charger to your phone.

The battery (or cell) is the wall socket. The source of energy.

The generator then transports that energy elsewhere in the system. In GTFO's case, that could be fog filtration, door power, whatever. In this analogy, it would tranfer the power to your phone

[cold sphinx]

Wut

Wut did i do

[coral gorge]

bad

bad kaiser

[cold sphinx]

U saw nothing

[coral gorge]

i saw everything

[cold sphinx]

Idk whatchu talkin bout

[royal crow]

@pine hatch @coral gorge dont even try to argue with him

he wont change opinion or at least try to understand

[coral gorge]

listen if it was an argument id be done here a long time ago. This is smth else.

he just doesnt understand how a cell works

[pine hatch]

I'm not arguing really, this is a lack of understanding.

[royal crow]

he doesnt WANT to know

[cold sphinx]

Ur not following

[royal crow]

the problem isnt that he doesnt know
he doesnt WANT to know

[cold sphinx]

Its not that he lacks it

[pine hatch]

A troll, then

[fresh solar]

sleepy the type of mf to think that the steam released from contained nuclear reactors is radioactive

[cold sphinx]

Beep alt maybe

[pine hatch]

Ah, Beep. I saw their post on Reddit and had no idea what happened. Seemed like I wasn't getting the full story.

[coral gorge]

if beep would do it all

i

[cold sphinx]

Thank god u dont

[coral gorge]

i think id be amazed

and relieved

[cold sphinx]

Long story short

Gtfo chat became a circus

[royal crow]

what post

link

but going back to my question

do we really knwo how big the ship was?

[cold sphinx]

Nope

[fresh solar]

Huge

[pine hatch]

this big

[royal crow]

how big

[coral gorge]

i think they mentioned smth about 3km diamater maybe?

there was some log talking about its size i think

[fresh solar]

diamater

[coral gorge]

or maybe im delusional

dunno

[fresh solar]

diamater

[coral gorge]

im not a native alr

stop hating

english is a weird langauge

[pine hatch]

I will send it to personal since it seems like a drama thing

[royal crow]

stupid*

[royal crow]

aight

[coral gorge]

that too

[twin quartz]

a gen burns fuel to produce energy

[royal crow]

not that big then

CUbix

DONT

[twin quartz]

you described a transformer station

[coral gorge]

holy shit which part of my thing did you not understand

[cold sphinx]

[royal crow]

Please CUbix

just not

[fresh solar]

correct, they still need an external power source to produce energy

[unkempt marsh]

[cold sphinx]

What did we say

[coral gorge]

this is a video game. its called a gen ingame, thats what im gonna call it

[pine hatch]

Here's the easiest solution, which I said up front, actually.

This is not a GTFO question. This is an electrical question.

Why do we put cells in generators? For the game to happen. Simple as.

[royal crow]

i swear to god

[cold sphinx]

We move to spoiler chat

[royal crow]

lets just

dont keep this going

[cold sphinx]

Infection has reached this chat

[royal crow]

this is hel shotgun all over again

[coral gorge]

run everyone

[unkempt marsh]

cell shotgun

[coral gorge]

lmao

[royal crow]

LOL

[loud urchin]

In electricity generation, a generator is a device that converts motion-based power or fuel-based power into electric power for use in an external circuit.
The cell contains the fuel, the generator turns that into energy

it is literally just a standard generator I don't understand what the problem is?

[royal crow]

Pachi not you too 😔

btw Pachi

i still have to play with you one day

🥺

[loud urchin]

not a good idea to play with me any time soon, been going through stuff and been worse than usual to talk to

[fresh solar]

The problem is we have certain people among us who are children incapable of learning

[royal crow]

idk whats all that about
but i hope you get well soon

[loud urchin]

I'll be alright, just need some time to let feelings settle

[royal crow]

fair enough

[cold sphinx]

Enjoy pachi

Ur a gigachad youll pull off strong

[royal crow]

the warden will be waiting for your return patiently

[cold sphinx]

Alex

[twin quartz]

Dude it has electrical contacts, its a battery

The most reasonable thing I can think of is its powering a pump

[unkempt marsh]

"They appear to be Molten carbonate fuel cells based on text found on the cell itself, it has 2 fans and a screen which states the current power level of the cell..."

[royal crow]

honestly

just leave this to Frosty or an actual engineer

[pine hatch]

Software engineer not hardware.

So close yet so far away

[twin quartz]

How the hell does the electrical system in the complex work

[coral gorge]

Wdym

it works normally

[twin quartz]

Generators need batteries to power themselves

[coral gorge]

god not this shit again

[twin quartz]

Doors somehow function despite the lights being fucked

[cold sphinx]

Check spoiler chat

[unkempt marsh]

oh yeah I forgot that he can't read what I said because he has me blocked

well, whatever then

best of luck guys LOL

[pine hatch]

It's a video game. Part of the complex is literally ||an alien spaceship.|| These aren't questions for us to answer.

[coral gorge]

HAVE YOU HEARD OF POWER PRIORITY?

Its obvious doors will get power over lights

[twin quartz]

The hell?

[coral gorge]

Oh god please no

[twin quartz]

I thought it was all mines and refineries, now there's a ship?

[pine hatch]

I put it in spoileys, mate, you chose to open it

[coral gorge]

Always has been you lore ignorant buffoon

[twin quartz]

Where does the ship come into all of this

I've never seen a ship

[coral gorge]

somebody kill me

[pine hatch]

Lol, it's not like you walk into a ||ufo|| silly goat

[coral gorge]

there is a document pinned here that explains it all

Refer to it for any further info

[cold sphinx]

Cubix

[coral gorge]

thank you very much

[cold sphinx]

Go to spoil chat

Have fun

[coral gorge]

i saw the cats

its nice

[twin quartz]

So we don't see the ship, it's just kinda here

[coral gorge]

…yes

[fresh gyro]

:C

get well soon

[fresh gyro]

sleepy moment

[unkempt marsh]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[fresh gyro]

:P

[twin quartz]

ok

[burnt wren]

10c love to violate the rule of Chekov's gun

[clear furnace]

bro

the amount of chekov gun violations in this game

woooooo weee

[burnt wren]

I know, right?

1. No Inner
2. No "two people stapled together" alien
3. Never figured out what project insight is

[queen gazelle]

Dow will answer all these questions

[eternal talon]

I'm a dishwasher...

[eternal talon]

This is literally the only answer. The cells carry the fuel the reactor burns the fuel -- BOOM! Power flows.

[solemn wagon]

batterie

[eternal talon]

2km. The shape of an egg. Extrapolate the rest of the dimensions yourself (or find the log on the wiki), I'm at work.

But yes, we have exact dimensions

[eternal talon]

Its called a cell in-game

[solemn wagon]

yea
i try not to think about what sort of energy cell it is

my brain might form a wrinkle

[fresh solar]

I was just makin a joke about sleepy wanting to ask you all these mechanical questions in lore lol

[fresh gyro]

Real

[plush nest]

my guess was a hydrogen fuel cell

[twin quartz]

yeah but how does it move the hydrogen?

those arent pipes, they're electrical contacts

[plush nest]

you dont need to move the hydrogen to another place in the generator?

[twin quartz]

dont you?

[plush nest]

no?

mix h2 and o2 together and get water plus energy

have the h2 move across a catalyst towards the o2 and while doing that it makes energy

all of which i am pretty sure you can do in the cell

plus doesnt the cell have some wording on it that say hydrogen something something

[twin quartz]

possibly

[plush nest]

this is just a guess on my part though so i might be wrong

[pine hatch]

I just got back, It's amazing that we're still on this

[unkempt marsh]

when that mcfc hits

[plush nest]

i would assume fc means fuel cell but no clue what mc means

[unkempt marsh]

molten carbonate

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molten_carbonate_fuel_cell

[plush nest]

isnt that just a combustion generator with more steps then?

[past flume]

no

wait

yes

maybe?

[plush nest]

its a combustion reaction so i would assume it just a fancy looking combustion generator

[past flume]

no, it's not a combustion reaction

it's a redox reaction

[loud urchin]

yeah it's not reacting anything with oxygen

[fresh gyro]

Where's the combustion part of the combustion generator

</3

[past flume]

it's just a hydrogen fuel cell with a carbon dioxide catalyst, right?

[plush nest]

that is a combustion reaction

[fresh gyro]

Other way around

<3

[plush nest]

youre making water and carbon dioxide, that is a combustion reaction

[past flume]

the cardon dioxide isn't being made tho

[fresh gyro]

CO2 in <-

[plush nest]

bottom left

youre making it then using it again to continue the reaction

[past flume]

can you not see the intake pipe or the text saying "Carbon Dioxide In"

[fresh gyro]

Lmao

[plush nest]

not a catalyst just like you said a redox reaction, which is a combustion reaction

[fresh gyro]

I thought my message would have helped

A combustion reaction is a redox reaction

Not the other way around

Losing it