gtfo-lore

[eternal talon]

https://payday.fandom.com/wiki/No_Mercy

[coral gorge]

god imagine if the final heist thingy in DoW would be raiding garganta as the daylight/who team

[eternal talon]

"We are hitting up the Mercy Hospital in a heist for blood. The source is carrying some kind of rare virus and we need to get it out of him. Let nothing stop us as the paycheck is a hefty one. Spilling some blood for this kind of cash is not the end of the world."

[coral gorge]

hah

"its not the end of the world"

proceed to end the world

[eternal talon]

Although initially considered non-canon, Day 6 of Breaking News 2018 retcons the heist into being canon. The remake of the No Mercy heist in Payday 2 is explicitly said to be a flashback, being the exact same heist as the one in the first game.

also, weren't 10cc devs for payday or pd2?

it isnt out of the question they'd do something similar for gtfo as you said

[coral gorge]

payday 2 i think

[coral gorge]

ngl on one hand it would be cool, on the other hand if you knew this games lore id say it would feel kinda underwhelming

[coral gorge]

after all, whatever progress you made in DoW wont matter as in like 20 years the world will end

[eternal talon]

inb4 DoW crew is schaeffer's original quad

[coral gorge]

lol that would be a cool one

[eternal talon]

um

what the fuyck is this

[coral gorge]

in the ending of DoW you get kidnapped by KOVAC

[eternal talon]

SCOUT?

[coral gorge]

oh yeah they defo took inspiration from GTFO

[cold sphinx]

BIG SCOUT

[cobalt timber]

ten chambers might have to sue these ten chambers guys

[honest summit]

If you think about it, who tf admissions us to the Missions past R8B4 after we betrayed Schaeffer who were commanding us? We as prisoners dont have the authority to commence our own Mission, yet alone wake us up from the cryo sleep. Maybe remnants of Warden that were Not affected by the Trojan, or its "Friends" (the Unit Guys)?

It could also be that Henrikson managed to escape Schaeffer and is now helping us remotely, but his Goal was to Stop the meltdown, Not to escape it

[burnt wren]

Unknown. It has led some people to theorise that it's our guys overriding the system and updating the stack themselves, but there's no obvious reference for it.
It even has a unique blue text, differentiating it from warden's red one.

[coral gorge]

Id say - we dont go into HSUs after B4, we just keep going deeper perhaps not even using the lifts

and the devs simply didnt bother making a diffrent/unique animation

as for who tells us what to do, id say its ourselves breaking free (i am one of the people artek mentioned)

[honest summit]

The blue Text being our prisoners kinda makes Sense If its Like Bishop knowing how to extract the Micro Drive since he was a Santonian techie, and Dr. Dauda knowing how to remove the controllchip via MRI

Its only the entrance/Exit pod that concerns me

If Schaeffer has the controll over it, why dont He Just Stop it and makes it Go Back Up? Sure it might be due to His incompetence or Hope that we will Change our minds

[coral gorge]

Im pretty sure we outright dont use them

and go on foot or smth

and the devs simply didnt know how to/didnt want to make a unique loading animation

since it doesnt make sense how we would wake from HSUs with no one outside to wake us up

[honest summit]

Was thinking what If we are waking Up in different KDS Depots, and we are Just doing a small Pit Stop

And its raining because Schaeffer created a Giant Jacuzzi with all the drained cooling Tank water

[plush nest]

Does he know how to work it? I thought that was Hendricksons thing

[craggy widget]

🤔

[eternal talon]

even if he was somehow not dead -- it realy really seems like he is given the bloody ID and schaeffer's dialogue --, we'd still end up with a small case of SOUP BRAIN

[coral gorge]

Also im pretty sure B3s interrupted transimission is of the exact moment Henrikson is killed

[peak jay]

So I might have a small case of monkey brain but I didn't quite catch why the OG team doesn't trust the ALT team? Like, why did they lie about who they were over the Hearsay Dispatch intercom and also why did they leave them to die instead of letting them join the escape? I'm pretty sure they either all do have the virus or all don't. Doesn't really make sense to me

[placid shore]

It's not that they don't Trust them
The plan was to get with Alt tam and get out
But Schaeffer was going to ruin the OG team plan so they had to kill him and killed ALT Schaeffer in the process (or OG Schaeffer kills him)
Then they had to lie by pretending to be ALT Schaeffer In order to get the Alt team to KDS deep

Both teams did get to KDS deep but they couldn't let them through as it was dangerous on the side of the ALT team
Also keep in mind the limitations of the game
Also they were in a rush to get the game over with

[fresh gyro]

A rush

[placid shore]

Well that's just so u don't go through there
Also nothing on that other side in r8e2

[fresh gyro]

The untextured part

Not the door part

[placid shore]

U never seen a pale door before? 🤔

[fresh gyro]

Righhht

[placid shore]

Man just saw a ghost 👻

[peak jay]

Lol

Yeah I guess that makes sense, just feels like they could've done a lot more with it, like have the teams work together as a party of 8 or have them fight or something. Instead of "oh, sorry, door no open." I still think the betrayal is a good twist but it kind of feels meaningless

[placid shore]

No passion for work

[peak jay]

Yeah

I'm still happy with R8 overall though, just not that part

[placid shore]

R8 could have been lot more

What bothers me is them throwing henrikson in the back burner when half R7 was about him

[fresh gyro]

Ikr

[fresh gyro]

Throwing henny away you mean

[placid shore]

Yes

Dude helps us hijack warden

Also he's dead off camera
With only 2 mins of screen time (audio)

[peak jay]

Yeah I was so confused

The only agreeable person in the game just gone randomly

[placid shore]

Having to kill a newly introduced character is just bad planning

[royal crow]

we are comanding ourselves

we removed the chips

we now have free will

also before C2 is like we are fighting against our own orders

[plush nest]

I thought that was impossible to do?

[royal crow]

It is

but somehow we did it

[next panther]

The power of friendship 😝

[fresh gyro]

Realll

[lilac island]

"Additional resources required to expand conduit to multiple membranes"

conduit referes to the units

those artificial humans

so maybe those units weren't just a completely shitass way for the warden to comunicate with us and they actually had some abilities to see into other membranes or something

do things cross universe

[eternal talon]

The Warden was making vortigaunts?

[fresh gyro]

:/

[placid shore]

warden is secretly a nihilanth making more and enslaving vortigaunts

[next scroll]

where is the G-Man then?

schaeffer maybe?

[placid shore]

Guys what about the log stating that Dauda was put in the prisoner program because while being only 0,017% of all personnel, he commited 78,69% of all theft in the facility

[warped bloom]

[cold sphinx]

Me when vortigaunts

[narrow sinew]

That's called Skill. At that point, I would 100% just reward him or employ him. also, that means my Dauda-bot is canonically accurate, cause it keeps stealing every 100%-Medipack from me

Also, I'm sure it's already been well-documented, but I found a log talking about there being a mask absolutely coated in Bishop's DNA, despite him never wearing a helmet like that, and all of his equipment being accounted for. Could this be a reference to the Matter Wave Projector? Like, a Bishop from another universe having his equipment pushed across into this universe?

Also, on a separate note, it also mentions that Bishop was the only surviving member of a crew that went down for "EF-01", which I assume was some kind of expedition.

[placid shore]

Yes that's a different bishop

[narrow sinew]

Cool~

[placid shore]

Ef01 was an exploration expedition which was lead by Durant James with some other scientists and KSOs including bishop

[narrow sinew]

I apologise if I seem a little braindead on this stuff, still slowly getting into the lore proper

[placid shore]

Ask away

U can also check the pinned document

[cold sphinx]

[placid shore]

For a more coherent timeline

[placid shore]

Kaiser my beloved

[cold sphinx]

Azert my favorite

[narrow sinew]

I would like to, but, thanks to silly brain things, big-document = daunting

for now anywho

[cold sphinx]

Where are you stuck on?

[narrow sinew]

Oh, I opened it up & got daunted by just the size of it.

[cold sphinx]

Well yeah thats the point of asking “where are you stuck on”

[narrow sinew]

Well, firstly, looking at just the Timeline Picture, what does it mean by "The Alt://Quad died an indeterminate amount of time before this timeline"

[coral gorge]

Our characters from ALT timeline died a long time before the events of the game (||we find their bodies in R6CX||)

[narrow sinew]

Intriguing

[coral gorge]

through ALT R1-R6 and 1st half of R8 we play as an X squad who warp to ALT wordline right before ALT R1

[narrow sinew]

intriguing

[coral gorge]

most people still call them ALT squad tho as its more intuitive

[placid shore]

Who made this btw ^

[coral gorge]

thats a great graph for it yeah

[narrow sinew]

So, our experience of the Alt:// missions is a team who got bounced over into our timeline and are moving through, despite not being the original Alt:// crew?

[coral gorge]

Yeah

[narrow sinew]

Intriguing

[coral gorge]

pretty much

[cunning light]

Meh, they could just be the original Alt:// crew

I do not see the need to overcomplicate things

[coral gorge]

what are the changes someone warped to garganta a decade before R1

[narrow sinew]

I thought it was cause the original Alt:// crew were dead?

[coral gorge]

also it wouldnt make sense that theres an X schaeffer in ALT R1D1

[cunning light]

No, that was an earlier assomption, based off the dead bodies found at the end of Alt://R6

Which can also be found throughout R8

So it proves nothing

[coral gorge]

i mean we know they died right after garganta went to shit

[narrow sinew]

I mean, one of the things for the Matter Wave Projector is that it doesn't just put you into a where, but a when too. It's possible that their coordinates were off & they got sent back?

[cunning light]

No we don't

[coral gorge]

which is very early for there to be an MWP waro

[coral gorge]

Yes?

Schaeffers log

Its a log from before he became a KSO im pretty sure

[coral gorge]

Not really - MWP doesnt travel through time, it can only move you to a universe where some events didnt happen yet - so you could warp to an earth with dinosaurs but it wouldnt be the same version of earth that you warped out of

[narrow sinew]

I mean, they talk about having tested dozens of Membranes & Coordinates. It's more than likely other universes experiencing the same thing would be doing the same things too. All of those other bodies could very easily just be other teams from other universes who got KIA.

[narrow sinew]

Oh, I thought it could push them through time too,,

I don't know why I thought that?

I know Schaeffer talks about coming out in a "where and when" during the start of, like, R8A1, I think

[coral gorge]

I mean yeah, the bodies in R8 are prolly that - versions of us who were killed by the matter wave collapses or died shortly after

[narrow sinew]

I mean, do we have a definitive answer on what a Matter Wave Collapse is?

[coral gorge]

Yeah but he is just referring to what i said before. It basically works like time travel just a bit diffrent

[narrow sinew]

Oh, okay, I simply misinterpreted then, okay.

[coral gorge]

It seems to be a sitaution when theres a sudden shift in quantum frequncies-things in an area (hence we get warped during them)

The one at the beginning of R8 that merges ALT, OG and several other wordlines seems to be a very unique one tho as it affects several wordlines and doesnt seem reversable

[placid shore]

Some membranes move at a slower time

Some faster

[coral gorge]

Yeah thats what i meant

diffrent speed of light or smth

[narrow sinew]

Well, according to quantum principles on unobserved/unset events, technically all possibilites are occuring at once until one is selected at seeming random. I think those bodies are the alternative possibilites of the team you're actually playing. All the different possibilities happening at once, because you're caught in a weird Quantum Fluctuation

[coral gorge]

that could make sense

[narrow sinew]

I mean, the Space-Time is the medium through which the light moves, and theoretically, every small change you make to that medium would change the speed of light, which furthermore dictates the "maximum" speed of a universe, everything therefore being accordingly slower than this.

[narrow sinew]

Schrödinger's Cat, but the box is the Facility, and you are the Cat (and the radioactive decaying material is the sleepers, virus, and other assorted means of dying).

[narrow sinew]

Wait, for there to just be some simultaneous warp, you'd basically have to have two universe's quantum-frequencies harmonise for just a second, where both are indistinguishable from one another, allowing things to slip between them (such as the terminals, or the team).

So, the Matter Wave Projector would, therefore, be able to "force" the quantum-frequencies of an area to match another one, inducing that warp without it naturally occurring. That's why it's so important to mark down the correct coordinates; it dictates the exact parameters that you have to exist in to be able to move across universes like that

[cold sphinx]

Thats where the data cube steps in

[narrow sinew]

Exactly!

[cold sphinx]

The MWP acts like a key

And the data cubes are basically server network requests for a exact location

[narrow sinew]

the MWP is the skeleton-key, and your data-cubes are the moulds that shape it to fit the correct lock

[cold sphinx]

Data cubes have the cords emebed on them

Which is why the tampered is kinda janky

[narrow sinew]

Yeye, that's what I'm meaning: They dictate everything about a universe that the MWP requires to create that bridge, and any slight miscalculation or error could send that bridge to anywhere

I'm loving being able to discuss the lore of this, because it's deep & complex, but surprisingly sensible

[coral gorge]

Its a cool concept but god sometimes it feels like such a mess

even though, i must admit, this games lore is very unique and defo smth ill miss

[narrow sinew]

Watcha mean miss?

[coral gorge]

The game is pretty much finished atleast for a good while and after ill move on from it, i will defo miss it then

[narrow sinew]

ohhhh

Yeah, makes sense

See, just reignite your passion for it: introduce more people to this beautiful hell-hole & make them suffer as we have

[coral gorge]

Yeah true

Ngl ive been trying to find some deeper meaning for the ending, like some sorta higher message

as id imagine there could be one

[eternal talon]

tuile. credit is given in the post.

[placid shore]

[eternal talon]

we have evidence that highly suggests it, but no concrete proof. you could make a case for either. In this case, it simply follows what has more supporting evidence

"occam's razor" fuck, what was the one with a gun being shown in the first act of a play being fired by the last? that is the one im attempting to refer to here

[coral gorge]

but the only thing i managed to come up with is that: the ending shows that humans will never change, even without their memories they will still suffer from its essential flaws. In R8 we see how OG schaeffer rejects the idea of the warden helping them escape, killing all that he deems as traitors (henri and ALT schaeffer) which could be compared to irl situations where the people who want to help are killed/silenced by those who believe the only right way is to fight

[eternal talon]

alt//r6 is before og merged with alt// so.... i don't recall any of alt having ceiling rooms, for instance

and i know you HATE IT, but i will mention it again;; why have this log I saw something. Someone. It was a human, approximately. It was standing in the middle of a mass of creatures, and they weren't attacking it. The creatures knew it was there, but... pheromones? Temperature? Some kind of... social or behavioral characteristic? I don't know. Then a quad of mercenaries came through a security door and before the creatures attacked them, this human - clone; I think - reached a hand out to them. Then the creatures attacked the mercenaries, and by the time the chaos was over, the clone was dead and so were two of the mercenaries. The clone clearly didn't want to hurt the mercenaries. It was trying to communicate. It was weak and looked like it was dying, but... If I see another one like it, I'm going to try to talk to it. Him. Yes, him. Hearsay off. perfectly match the scene in cx if it isnt related at all? it literally tried to communicate with schaeffer in this same room when he killed it in the original worldline (granted far later in the timeline)

(also, i feel it apt to mention, you need to separate alt// from r8.)
If it was an alt rundown, it would be labeled as such. alt// is alternate. we have known since before alt// even released that the story would be different than the original. #game-announcements message

r8 is a 2-in-1. both merging. it makes zero sense for them to merge conveniently in the middle of alt//r6 then not mention it again until r8.

especially since the later half of alt//r6 (d1 esp) is building up TO r8 with schaeffer siding with the warden

[eternal talon]

think about it in terms of technicality. a universe completely identical but the big bang was delayed by lets say ~10 years. functionally speaking, it would seem and feel like you are going back in time, but you aren't. that entire universe was just slower to get to that point relative to yours

both have the same speed of time, time is progressing forward normally, it just didnt "start" at the same time

make sense?

[eternal talon]

funny thing is iirc there are more hacketts and woodses than bishops and daudas in terms of corpse count in r8

first couple levels only have a hackett and a woods, the later ones have full squad corpses

so where is the rest of their squad? -- points at r6cx

[eternal talon]

only roughly. it isnt touched on in-game more than a single mention or two iirc, we only see the results; that being a fuckton of worldlines merging into eachother.

as to what caused it, we can only make assuptions, as we know even less about the MWP than Insight, who were the people studying this alien artifact

[eternal talon]

that is also true, in the case of Destination's worldline especially. its a huge can of worms. some faster, some slower, some the same, some delayed, some sped up, its anything and everything somewhere out there

[eternal talon]

that doesnt explain how we talk directly to the playable alt// squad though after we kill both schaeffers.

and what about when og leaves in e2?

[eternal talon]

different earths be jank.

one all chargers, one completely drowned in infection fog... and i forgot the other one

[eternal talon]

gtfo development has ceased. the game's lifespan officially ended a little under a month ago

now it is simply playing modded, talking about the story/lore, and waiting for GTFO2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t92zvHRhO9I also here. short interview about the end of GTFO and the future with DOW

i saw you typing artek, where did you go?

[coral gorge]

he’s lurking

[placid shore]

destination is ours?

i mean og?

[eternal talon]

no, destination is a separate worldline. essentially;

Collectors crash on OG earth ---> Insight collect MWP and DATA CUBES, Launch EF01 ---> Coords take them to Destination.
Collectors crash on ALT// earth ---> Insight collect MWP and DATA CUBES, Launch EF01 ---> Coords take them to Jungle Planet (we go to at end of r8)

a fair bit of the original destination lore, (talking the original durant logs here) arent in the game anymore

i can post them for you if you'd like.

[placid shore]

so i assume the OG EF01 are boned?

[placid shore]

yeah sure

[eternal talon]

they all died a looooooooooooooooong time ago

(except bishop, who returned)

[placid shore]

is it the same bishop we play as in ALT or a dead one

[eternal talon]

og bishop

[placid shore]

og bishop returned to alt wordline?

[eternal talon]

og bishop returned to og worldline

i think you are getting confused.

the whole mask thing, that was alt// exclusive

a third unknown bishop

also here are those audio logs

[narrow sinew]

Damn, feels rough. I honestly wasn't aware until these conversations. I'd been an ambassador since, like, early-ish in pre-1.0, so, that brings me some very bittersweet emotions.

I followed the game a long while, but, lost myself in other things for too long elsewhere & missed a lot of the updates

[eternal talon]

I first started playing in ogr1. half a decade ago. time flies.

[narrow sinew]

I saw it's creation, but i guess I didn't stick around enough to watch it grow up, and this has made me sad.

[narrow sinew]

Oh god, really? Is that how long ago it was?

[eternal talon]

r1 was in 2019

[narrow sinew]

I keep forgetting that that wasn't, like, last year,,

5 years,, and what a beautiful game it's become in those years

[eternal talon]

its had some turbulent ups and downs

but overall its been pretty solid.

[narrow sinew]

we're not gonna talk about the list of bugs & glitches

[eternal talon]

or the mod controversy, or snipermelee, or....

[burnt wren]

I was going to make a joke about how all swedish men look like chads and its unfair, but lost interest half way through.

[narrow sinew]

As I said, bittersweet: It's good to see it come to a peaceful close, with a dedicated community standing alongside it, but it's still sad to know there won't be more content

[eternal talon]

there will always be more modded content

so the repetativeness will get to you before the lack of content will

i think by now vanilla alone has what, 85+ expeditions?

[narrow sinew]

I keep, repeatedly, forgetting that there is a modding community for this game, and said community isn't being roasted over a dumpster-fire for being heretics (I'm in a lot of weird game-communities)

I'm gonna shift myself & this particular conversation to #gtfo-chat , cause we're a little off the lore-topic & I don't wanna get yelled at, lol

[honest summit]

wait, 2019 was 5 years ago???? jesus i am getting old

[royal crow]

no more lore

lore sad

me cry

[royal crow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/585063132553281556/798962215276380240/walkingbigguy.gif

[eternal talon]

lmaooooo why does everlong go so well with the giant waddling

do you have a full clip of that?

[royal crow]

no

i stole the gif

[eternal talon]

whelp, this is the best i could do

if i had a long enough clip to splice with it'd be 10x better

still funny though

[warm root]

That giant is crucial to the lore!

[eternal talon]

unironically though, potato giant is pretty weird and he is one-of-a-kind

literally zero story/reason for him

[cold sphinx]

Who said he was one of a kind

[eternal talon]

the fact he shows up during one secondary of one expedition of one rundown with a spawn distribution of 1.

he is number one

seriously though, i hope i'm not the last person in here.

this channel is basically its own little micro-community

[cold sphinx]

With you being the spotlight

Only OG listen to frostty rambling bout lore

[eternal talon]

psh, that depends on how frequently people are chatting. just because i'm always around doesnt mean others cant be

i just sit and watch for the most part. dont really start convos myself

[cold sphinx]

That or until some1 spread misinformation

[eternal talon]

yeahhhhh, that sucks.

[lapis plume]

You got games on your phone?

[eternal talon]

No?

[placid shore]

but do you have phones in your game

[fresh gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/k-project-gif-26248768

[lapis plume]

This guy gets it

[placid shore]

[wintry bloom]

what is the point of nightmare dimension in R8? I think its under utilized.

[lilac island]

there isnt one

there might be but

eh

[peak jay]

It could be to show the player the worst case scenario, since it looks like a dimension where the complex got completely consumed by the virus (with bonus wall tentacles) and also that had a reactor meltdown that wasn't completely successful judging by the sparks and ash in the air

Mainly ooh cool new place though

[placid shore]

r8b1 teleport

[lilac island]

i have dementia

[wintry bloom]

i guess you are right, but it seems like another case of wasted potential

[peak jay]

Yeah I guess. I think it was mainly just to introduce extra tentacle boyos

[eternal talon]

Nope, just discord reddit spotify and youtube

Oh in my game?

What counts as "my game" in this context?

[placid shore]

anything you deem appropriate

[eternal talon]

I know they added a flipphone in warframe recently

[placid shore]

a functional one?

[eternal talon]

It rings, npc uses it. Players don't get to have it.

[placid shore]

cant prank call people shame

[vestal haven]

is there any in lore explanation for the boosters and artifacts

[lilac island]

warden wants artifacts because it hoards knowledge, it rewards us with boosters because we want them

since they're drugs

[burnt wren]

Nothing on the artifacts - they are just curiosities Warden likes to collect.
Boosters are exactly that... Little kicks to help operatives to perform better.
Although i doubt even half of their effects are canonical. Sorry, "Glow Stick Power", but you are not real.

[vestal haven]

I love glowstick power though

[lilac island]

glow stick power is real

[vestal haven]

[lilac island]

the prisoner simply has his immense brain damage removed and then proceeds to shake the glow stick

so the ingredients mix better and make more light

[rough bronze]

I want glow stick powers

[eternal talon]

Granted, you can turn people into giant glowsticks. You cannot change them back.

[warped bloom]

Me summoning more ammo out of the ammopack

[coral gorge]

@graceful bolt 99% of human popultion outside the complex is dead

and the rest are sitting in bunkers

[graceful bolt]

oh didnt realize the lore channel is up here

[coral gorge]

it doesnt show up automatically

[graceful bolt]

also if humanity is mostly dead then why do the prisoner got sent down deep to the complex to collect stuff, turn reactor etc for anyway ?

[coral gorge]

The warden isnt working for humanity

its just doing its shit

R1-R4 is mostly lifting lockdowns from deeper zones

then R5 is getting more operatives (prisoners) for the warden

and R6-R7 is creating a unit

[graceful bolt]

i understand if it for going to the source of the monster like a hivemind and kill it then all monster dead

i type slow

[coral gorge]

The monsters dont seem to have 1 core individual, atleast from what we know

the wardens goal seems to have just been… to wait? And go deeper, it didnt really seem to have a goal beyond that

up until R8 atleast where its goal became - warp out most of the remaining prisoners

[graceful bolt]

you know what let just get to the spoiler

is the prisoner clone or something

[coral gorge]

As in?

are we cloned?

[graceful bolt]

yes

[coral gorge]

Nope

we are completely original individuals

[graceful bolt]

i remember in a trailer where dauba the nigerian guy said someting about we live thousand live dies thousand time

[coral gorge]

the thing is - GTFO has a multiverse, so there is an infinite amount of wordlines with versions of the entire world and its inhabitants

Hence in R8 we see ||several versions of our squad||

[graceful bolt]

ooooh

so no wonder one of the mod guy said something about the mutilworld is fucked

[coral gorge]

Yeah

[graceful bolt]

i thought he was kidding

[coral gorge]

Nah, nam-v fucks up every earth that we know of

every version of earth

[graceful bolt]

but holy shit is it really that bad

[coral gorge]

You die within 5 months of infection, it transmits through everything

and it can create sleepers which make it borderline immortal

[graceful bolt]

the prisoner ?

[coral gorge]

everyone, us included

we survive cause we enter HSUs regularly

which reset the clock

[graceful bolt]

the hydrostasis ?

[coral gorge]

yeah

[graceful bolt]

ok let have positivity

is there still hope for the multiverse

[coral gorge]

There might be an earth that survived

infinite possibilities after all

But the chances are slim

in the end - we dont even know if our squad survives in the end

[graceful bolt]

you know i will assume when the warden see the prisoner as expendable, if the prisoner we play as is dead then it would send a different indiviual prisoner to do **it **dirty work

since there no clone stuff going on

[coral gorge]

Canonically, our guys never die and clear all levels first try

we are the best squad(s)

[cold sphinx]

[graceful bolt]

then the other world when we dies someoneelse replace

[coral gorge]

Yeah

[graceful bolt]

also if the the surface is fucked the would there be like a sequel where play as squad of "hero" working for "good guy" to save the world
the intro of mission in gtfo is where we got drop down, the sequel is we go up from the bunker to the surface

i know this isnt lore but i kind of want to ask for fun

[coral gorge]

the issue is - no cure for nam-v has been found

and after R8 the complex goes up in flames

[graceful bolt]

is nam-v the name of the infection ?

[coral gorge]

Nam-v is the virus that can make sleepers and wiped out humanity

if you mean the ingame infection mechanic… we dont know

it could be highly concetrated nam-v, just some regular ass mining gasses

we have no actual answer

[graceful bolt]

the "good guy" in the survival bunker send the "hero" up to collect an odd infected for the sientist to experiment as a mission

ok i stop with the sequel

[coral gorge]

Lol

the scientists in garganta had access to the best of material possible

and yet they failed to contain the infection and cure it

[graceful bolt]

send the "hero" to garganta and get the stuff

[coral gorge]

Eh, considering the fact that the warden outright executes a WHO mission who entered garganta to find the origin of the virus…

there would be some problems

[graceful bolt]

oh shit

ok the warden is either someone with a goal that we will never be able truly understand or just not a human as a hole

dig a tunnel to garganta avoid the warden "eyes" then dig up to garganta

is the complex and garganta the same place

[coral gorge]

yes

[coral gorge]

the warden is definitly not a human

[final sentinel]

Iirc

[coral gorge]

either an alien ai, or a full alien

[coral gorge]

hi dak

[final sentinel]

The warden is an alien

Infecting biocom, which is a neural network

Aka biological computer

Could be wrong

but iirc, biocom was made up of a bunch of linked biological systems integrated with computers to create an advanced AI, which the WRDN hijacked

Frosty would know

[pine hatch]

I am wondering where this is first learned. Is it later in R8, or have we known this?

[final sentinel]

I honestly could not tell you

I don’t remember

[coral gorge]

I dont think we ever learn wether the warden is an alien or an alien ai

its one of these

but i dont remember we ever got a definitive answer

@eternal talon

[burnt wren]

"we are of warden"

Granted the guy inside mimic couldn't speak human very well

But he's clearly saying that they are related

He didn't say that he's the warden, he didn't say that warden was one of them, he just said that they are related basically, in the most vague way possible

What's weird is that they don't appear to communicate with each other in any way, so its like they're completely separate entities doing their own things

[eternal talon]

5 weeks, not months.

[eternal talon]

It's not nam-v. Infection can be obtained from syringes, which were shipped in from off-site.
(And the whole disinfection thing)

[eternal talon]

It's not human at all. It's an alien consciousness controlling a robot/ai

[eternal talon]

Garganta goes so ridiculously far down (not even including the inner and the ship) that digging under it is basically impossible

And it's literally the size of an entire city in width (and I'm not talking rural, it's like an underground new-york)

[eternal talon]

You are not.

[eternal talon]

Alt//r6 outright confirmed it, but it was heavily implied since all the way back in the og rundowns

[eternal talon]

Alien i.
(No artificial)

It is as dak said.

[coral gorge]

Oh right, weeks not months

[placid shore]

Do extreme cold temperatures kill the virus and the parasite

[pine hatch]

Are the scientists in antarctica safe

[eternal talon]

vaccum of space was untested, but any reasonable temperatures it can be assumed it would survive.

[eternal talon]

i dont think we will ever really know, but it is unlikely.

[clear shale]

let's hope they died fast to the virus

[warped bloom]

Would the virus have tped there or something

[pine hatch]

There's nothing "reasonable" about antarctica's temperatures, so I'm willing to bet they lived longer than the rest of us.

Until they ran out of resources. I don't imagine Antarctica is 100% self sustaining

[coral gorge]

yeah, id say they didnt get infected but eventually they ran out of food and such

[warped bloom]

True

[cold sphinx]

@lilac island he mentioned food

Get his ass

[lilac island]

https://tenor.com/view/niko-nikocado-avocado-food-mix-blender-gif-7317197887390042433

u rn

[cold sphinx]

Im in bed

[lilac island]

food this food that

[cold sphinx]

Whens it gonna be hard food

[lilac island]

why don't you feed your curiosity and go on wikipedia

and learn about something new

and then go out with your friends and have a beer

[cold sphinx]

You really think that i really go that far just for a one off joke?

[lilac island]

i dont like that im just the food guy

every time

[eternal talon]

Six week stale triscuits

[cold sphinx]

Well its the hottest topic youve ever been in

Like am i disrespecting you?

[lilac island]

It's just a theory that was right

[cold sphinx]

Holy shit youre fast

[eternal talon]

now is the time to post a selfie in a hot topic

[lilac island]

selfie
hot
haha

[eternal talon]

Your losing, elbow

[lilac island]

i am hot though

[cold sphinx]

I didnt say youre wrong tho

[eternal talon]

I MEANT THE STORE-

[cold sphinx]

Its was a theory of both sides of our theory combined could have happened

[lilac island]

uh

uhghgasdba

[cold sphinx]

Mf really dissin me for doing a hot take

[lilac island]

im not dissing

just im kinda tired

[cold sphinx]

YES YOU ARE

@eternal talon any relations with the snatcher and nightmares?

[lilac island]

what

[cold sphinx]

Or nightmares are just a far off branch that mutates differently

I mean look at the tentacles

Nothing alike but they spur out the same

[eternal talon]

what

[cold sphinx]

You heard what i asked

[eternal talon]

we have zero information so, go wild i guess

[cold sphinx]

I was wondering

If the snatcher is designed

To be a hunter which it definitely is

Wouldn’t the tentacles

[eternal talon]

it looks like it --

-- but we cant know for sure because of this

[cold sphinx]

Like feelers that detect any odor difference in the air

Such as a snake would do (snake pull back their tounge so the odor gets sent into the core and gives the snake a wider range of vision towards anything of interest in the air)

Dont get me wrong even if its like a few levels dimmed down

It still very much differentiates the potential

[pine hatch]

I assumed that we had teleported ahead in time when we first saw them, so they're like, a much further evolution of the strain. As to how they get back to our timeline in later levels... no clue

[cold sphinx]

Evolution id doubt

Maybe a more in-depth mutation

Because of the fact that the growths do not resemble anything we met before

And it literally eats out any of the charger goop

So my guess would be nightmares are there and leads to the absent of the chargers

I mean theres not much room and biomass for every kind of variation of the sleeper

One has to dominate

Towards your “nightmare comes back later levels on”

Wait is there nightmares from B3-C2?

[pine hatch]

My wording was poor, I didn't mean "new evolution," but further mutation, same as you.

[cold sphinx]

I dont even remember

[pine hatch]

They're in B2, not sure about the ||other half of R8.||

[cold sphinx]

Well B2 is easy to notice since you warp there

Thing is

D2 has them

So in OG timeline was long enough for them to spur up in populations?

I mean this point as a far off assumption

The nightmare growth do look more lively and more active than anything weve seen before

So it can spawn in alot if not a ton of nightmares with relatively easy and not too much bio mass cost?

Or just basically star craft II gameplay where the zerg eat and become that

Nightmare eat normal sleeper=> nightmare
Nightmare eat giant=> potato

And anything beyond that just gets grinded into bio mass

[coral gorge]

Id say nigthmare wordline joins the wordline spaghetti and starts throwing them into R8

as we see nightmares in both halves of R8 after B1

[cold sphinx]

We do get yeeted tho

And yeeted back and forth

Supposedly time also gets janky and do the same with nightmares being born or yeeted through

[vernal plaza]

tbh, do we even know the avrage temp in the facility and how much it flactuate between high and low?

including the fact theres active reactors and all

[warped bloom]

i mean its deep down so it should be pretty warm

[vernal plaza]

true

but like how warm

i am fascinated by how the virus behaves ngl

in like a more spread concept

[warped bloom]

deep mines are like 50 celcius but the facility might have really good air conditioning (not)

[placid shore]

you can hear buzzing noises when in a datacenter tileset

servers overheating

[placid shore]

there are cooling tanks

we emptied one at least

[vernal plaza]

for the reactor not for the facilitt

i imagine in the lab layouts theres some kind of AC cuz labs are supposed to have standardized temps

[warped bloom]

if it were hot in the facility it would explain the fog

[placid shore]

a nuclear metldown def would cause LOT of heat

[vernal plaza]

fog is humidity so the place is prob damp from the condensation

[warped bloom]

yea but the hotter the more humid it can get

[vernal plaza]

true

i just feel like the virus is not used to low temps

cuz not once we see a facility with low temps

[burnt wren]

Somehow i doubt heating works down there and its probably pretty cold around the place, maybe like +5 or +10

[fresh gyro]

I mean like 1000 m into the earth will be around 40 degrees

[placid shore]

C?

[fresh gyro]

Да

[placid shore]

DA DA DA

i hate russians

they ruin my games

[fresh gyro]

Lmao

[fresh gyro]

Skill issue

Tbh

[royal crow]

RACISM

MODS

CUT HIS HEAD

[fresh gyro]

Mods this guy right here

[royal crow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/585063132553281556/798962215276380240/walkingbigguy.gif

bring your body over here

bitch

[fresh gyro]

R7C3 intro extended

No weapons

[royal crow]

lets throw him into R8E2

with no ammo

and no guns

[placid shore]

im not good enough to carry 4 people

[placid shore]

racism is chill

[fresh gyro]

4?

[placid shore]

take a step

[placid shore]

dota 2

[fresh gyro]

Ok THATS a skill issue

The entire game

[placid shore]

no you suck

[fresh gyro]

uwu

Want me to?

[placid shore]

wouldnt say no

🙏

[fresh gyro]

Weird af

:3

[royal crow]

saved

[placid shore]

ill save this too in case i need to overthrow myself

[fresh gyro]

Mods this guy right here

Kill him

@ mods

[placid shore]

ayo dont be no snitch

[fresh gyro]

Ain't no way

[final sentinel]

[fresh gyro]

Do it dak

You know what must be done

[placid shore]

i wont play occlusion dak

[royal crow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/585063132553281556/1205962700182659133/real_speach.gif

[placid shore]

choose wisely

[final sentinel]

keep it on topic for lore channel, and keep it civil

ty

[royal crow]

man

[final sentinel]

wouldn’t care if there was an actual issue

[royal crow]

we dont have anything to discuss here

no more lore

:(

[final sentinel]

Anyways I go back to my development things

[royal crow]

goodbye Dak

now

lets continue

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/585063132553281556/798962215276380240/walkingbigguy.gif

[placid shore]

pebbles

[royal crow]

someone is talking

but idk who

hmmmmm

[placid shore]

[fresh gyro]

💀

[royal crow]

no lore

https://tenor.com/view/cat-bugcat-blue-shake-crazy-gif-17213572

[burnt wren]

What can you do... They didn't gave us much to work with.

And what little they gave us probably has been dissected to shit

Like uh... Why there's HSUs laying all over the place in the final part.

Did some of them get teleported with us? And why did the survivors boobie-trapped the place? Were we not the first people to come in that way?

Honestly the "ending" was surprisingly abrupt. Feels like a teaser for a sequel, but i don't know if 10C are ready for it yet.

And if they will be... I can only hope GTFO 2 will be an improvement and will drop all the more experimental features of the predecessor.
Enough with randomly generated maps - make hand-made ones, with toilets, kitches and layout that makes sense to be used by humans. None of this AI generated crap.

I build better bases in Subnautica, Jesus Christ.

[placid shore]

thing is with those is it takes a lot of time to make tiles and manually connect those they'd need lots of tiles and variations of those tiles

i suppose with a bigger team they can do it

[burnt wren]

Oh god no, not the bigger team. Just a good one.

Like 3 guys dedicated to it and nothing else are enough

And then you just give them time

And hopefully they take their job seriously and with responsibility

Perfect example being something like any campaign from Left 4 Dead 1. How many people worked on that? Maybe like 5, out of 30 or something total they had?

[placid shore]

what if valve gets gtfo's title 👀

[burnt wren]

They'd make a superior game.

Or... It dies in their development cryostasis.

[placid shore]

that too 💀

[burnt wren]

That's something i know pisses people off, but i personally love about Valve's development department.

They either make a banger or let it die before a single trailer

With only notable exception being Artifact, although from what i heard it was a genuinely good card game completely ruined by ravenous pricing and microtransactions. No idea what happened there.

[placid shore]

basically every new deck was better than the base and u had to buy otherwise you'd be outclassed

and i dont think people expected a card game from valve

[burnt wren]

Yeah, that was a weird one. Oh well. We burried it, they burried, gone and forgotten.

They have 3 major multiplayer games still alive and kicking today and all the rest of their single player titles are crazy good including Alyx

I need to free some extra 10 GBs on this here SSD and i can test how my 3060 will handle that thing

Playing on 1060 3GB was a disgusting experience

[placid shore]

10 fps?

[burnt wren]

Pretty much

[placid shore]

sounds pretty nice

[burnt wren]

You know what was the most terrifying thing in the game?

The Upgrade Station

[placid shore]

😂

[burnt wren]

I don't know what they did to it, but the second it appears in my FoV - the FPS tanks to single digits

"Oh god, another one"

"Alright..."
deep breath, a gulp
"Just get your mag upgrade and get out"

[placid shore]

gotta pay a triple A price to play a tripple A game

can only imagine what horrors you saw

[burnt wren]

To be fair that's what Valve do. They try to break new frontiers. Alyx is a genuinely good VR title, really makes a good use of the features available.

[placid shore]

id even say its the best VR title yet

[burnt wren]

Probably the only 2 things i can criticise is the fact that combat is forced into a crawl (which seems to be a thing VR has to do, because reasons), and the fact that there are no two-handed guns in there. The pistol grip was just much easier for them to work with.

[pine hatch]

I believe that was the assumed reasoning behind no Half Life 3. Both of the previous Half Lifes are responsible for breaking new ground and changing the landscape of shooters in their ways.

They were hoping Half Life 3 would do the same.

And it SEEMS like they were hoping to put that egg in the VR basket

[burnt wren]

Actually reminds me of the 3rd criticism

Which is actually very relevant to this here chat, as it knows all to well the pain of... Multiverse and time-travel adjasent shenanigans

The Lore of Alyx gets fucking crazy in the end and retcons the 2nd most important event in Half-Life

[coral gorge]

thats kinda obvious, we see a giant part of KDS has warped with us, in R8E1 we see that part completely missing

[burnt wren]

Right, fair enough.

[coral gorge]

As for the traps… i kinda assumed it was for whatever wildlife exists there

but yeah the traps are defo kinda weird still

and the ending is a bit abrupt thats for certain

[eternal talon]

yes -- in fact, half of the entire warehouse got teleported with us. easily several hundred at least

[royal crow]

didnt half of KDS deep teleported with us?

how many people is that in total?

[eternal talon]

we dont know for certain that DEEP does not have multiple of these warehouses. in total, DEEP had 24,000

in fact -- we know it has at least two

since the r5 warehouse has an entirely different entry to e2

simple math is 6,000, but who knows.

[plush nest]

so there are two of those giant rooms that we know of?

[eternal talon]

2.5? perhaps many many more.
granted the instance below isnt from kds deep

[plush nest]

r7a1 where we do the "recycle group 7a42" command

[royal crow]

in a terminal

does it says on the objective?

its the terminal after a security door

its the only security door you can acces

[plush nest]

ya, its the room that we put "recycle group 7a42" in as a command

it doesnt say what room it is though, just that is a security zone i think

[eternal talon]

the picture directly above you is where that is

[cold sphinx]

If the whole storage does all the transportation of the said HSU pods

How does it goes from storage to other places then

[eternal talon]

dont have any pictures, but it has got like a crane thing that moves individual hsus off the shelves and up/down and out of sight

[cold sphinx]

Yeah that ik

But moving from place to plce tho

Like from storage to labs ig

[manic sorrel]

why there are such a large hole in R8E2?and how did the boss from r6d1 come here?

[coral gorge]

Wordline merging shenanigans.
One of the krakens from destination (desert dimension) got warped into the complex, most likely destroying whatever room was there and then sat there till we showed up

[clear furnace]

I would like to think it’s been there for much longer.

[eternal talon]

Ultimately there is no way of knowing, though given the fact that the arena is --identical-- to alpha one on destination, sand and all, id like to assume it simply got warped over

[clear furnace]

I don’t know; I mean sure the terminal area is similar, but a lot of the arena seems much different. I’ll have to take a second look

[eternal talon]

The bottom half is inaccessible but still visible iirc

Maybe the noclip is misremembering. I only ran through it once

[manic sorrel]

Almost entire KDS DEEP get teleport.no idea why they boobie-trapped the place.The ending in R8E2 is call EF-01 which is where Dr. Durant and Bishop explore other worlds using the Matter Wave Projector in the alternate worldline which the team arrived to a vibrant jungle world apparently devoid of any Sleeper threat.

[coral gorge]

i wouldnt say entirety of KDS gets warped with us, it seems to be just a small segment from what we see in E1/E2... also im pretty sure artek knows all that

[manic sorrel]

but in r8e1 the team enter the room and almost everything gone.idk tho? maybe you right.

[coral gorge]

KDS surely streches out much further if i had to guess, we even see like corridors leading away in E1

i doubt there were 24K pods in that one room

[plush nest]

What do you mean they trapped the place?

[placid shore]

there are traps everywhere

[plush nest]

In the ending of e2?

[placid shore]

yes

[plush nest]

I must be blind cause I didn’t see them

[placid shore]

there arent any visible traps

but durant james says there are

[plush nest]

Oh

[lost drum]

Still sad, for remaking Schaeffer and Henrickson's relationship in R8. We had a good team to stand up to Warden and get out, too bad things have changed so much

[eternal talon]

wrong chat?

[placid shore]

🙏

[plush nest]

After replaying r7c1 and hearing their conversation it’s sad knowing where it heads. Schaffer sounded genuinely concerned about Hendrickson to make sure he was alright

[lost drum]

Yeah! They were a real team. Schaeffer hadn't seen a living person, especially a friend, in a very long time. Their dialogues were well done. Too bad he went abruptly insane in R8.

[plush nest]

Well I mean he had Maddox for a couple min, but after that interaction I think he was on the verge of a mental break

[vestal haven]

what is warden protocol

[eternal talon]

The "Warden Protocol" is a term used to describe the physical or digital body housing the Warden's Consciousness within the BIOCOM system.

[vestal haven]

neat

[eternal talon]

"Warden Protocol" is a relatively old term that was used in-game, prior to the reveal of its nature as an alien -- back when we used to infer, and the evidence suggesting, it was simply an alien developed AI much like biocom was.

[vestal haven]

what is biocom?

[eternal talon]

I'm at work rn, so don't have the most time rn, but I'd reccomend reading the "for dummies" document in the pins of this channel for a fully summary of the lore

[vestal haven]

epic

I didn’t realize that was a thing

[eternal talon]

To answer your question as quick as possible (since I gotta clock in), it is an AI that was developed by KOVAC to run and manage their KSO quads and the Hearsay System

[vestal haven]

😎

[eternal talon]

I'd be happy to answer any questions the LFD doesn't when I have time, just post and ping me and I'll get to it eventually

[vestal haven]

bet

[honest summit]

Also R7:
"did you Just activate a lockdown procedure round them???"
"Bro i dont know what tf i am doing, it was all because of you"

[coral gorge]

R7 schafer and henrikson dynamic was so cool

especially moments like R7C3

or R7D1 - „what the fuck is a proxy?!”

[leaden kite]

so i just went through all the R8 logs on the wiki and im kinda dissapointed. is the wiki missing some or is that really all there is?? like wtf happened to the daylight mission. (unless they where simply the guys who got shot in the R8 text log)

[coral gorge]

They are the ones we shot yes

in R8D1 theres even a log of the warden giving ALT squad the mission to execute them

[leaden kite]

Interesting

Not sure if that one was on the wiki or if i just missed it

Why would it give that order though?

I understand it’s relatively “good” as a character but i dont really know its true intentions still. I know it wants to help schafer and the prisoners (for some reason) but aside from that i have no idea really

[coral gorge]

nor do we really

[leaden kite]

Yeah alright

Kinda feels underwhelming tbh

[coral gorge]

probably it didnt want them messing with anything

[coral gorge]

a bit yeah

overall R8s story was decent but could have been way better in my opinion

[leaden kite]

Idk if its just because its been so long since ive read anything on gtfo and i havent really taken in the bigger picture, but it feels to me like theyve just shutdown all this really interesting lore and story they had going

[leaden kite]

I agree

[coral gorge]

Like Henri and schaeffer relation, that had soooo much potential

[leaden kite]

I read a lil of ur conversations before

Didnt understand how exactly you meant tho as i only read a few sentances

[coral gorge]

even if they wanted to make schaeffer insane in R8, henrikson could have had much more of an effect outside of - say 2 things and get killed offscreen

[leaden kite]

Also which dimension is the one weve been playing in the whole time? The normal R8 levels, or the R8 secret levels

[coral gorge]

R8 as a whole is a wordline created from like a dozen diffrent ones merging

Alt and OG merge, plus a bunch of others we dont have names on, destination seeps in a bit, so does nightmare wordline

[leaden kite]

Huh

Any explanation why?

Or it simply does

[coral gorge]

Best guess is - too much using the matter wave projector

but we dont really know

[leaden kite]

Also back to schafer, i kinda hate him going insane all of a sudden, like i get it kinda makes sense with all the shit hes been through. But what was the point in making his character this whole time only to do that

[leaden kite]

Yeah ok

[coral gorge]

true, it would have made more sense for him to go insane mid R8, like he finds out the surface is dead and has a mental breakdown

but well, we got what we got. Atleast gameplay wise R8 did a great job and the story could have been better but atleast was decent

[leaden kite]

Yeah fair

I wouldnt know lol

Dont have a team to play with

I just really like the story

[honest summit]

The abortion Logs tho

[coral gorge]

unfortunate, you can solo a few levels. And i guess theres youtube too, a decent amount of people posted R8 vids

[coral gorge]

lmao

[leaden kite]

Yeah wtf

They where weird and random as fuck (i think)

Well like you said, we got what we got

I just hope they build an equally good story in den of wolves

Game looks sick as fuck

[leaden kite]

(Maybe with a bit better storytelling though haha)

[coral gorge]

Yeah

DoW looks promising

i hope its story will be as interesting as GTFOs but maybe a bit less confusing

[honest summit]

So far it was implied that our Players are prisoners...again. 10chambers must have a Kink or someth

[burnt wren]

Somehow I doubt it. Looks like it's going to be just another "big corpo bad" , maybe even "capitalism bad".
At least that's the vibe I'm getting.

The tryhard edgy masks are a cherry on top.

Too early to see of course, so let's wait and see. Either way I'm not interested in the game.

[coral gorge]

Im hoping they take it in an interesting direction

[rose cradle]

question, does anyone have any clear voice lines from schaeffer from D2 or any other R8 mission?

[honest summit]

There is Hearsay archives, but He doesnt have any of the R8 stuff

[rose cradle]

i’m a fan of their stuff, but they haven’t uploaded any of the new lines 😔

[placid shore]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMONwL465ec only vid out there that i know of

[plush nest]

So did the warden know what was happening with both teams in r8e1?

[placid shore]

im guessing yes

[coral gorge]

It defo knew about ALT team

but we have no idea about its knowledge of OG team really

[eternal talon]

clarification: are you referring to before or after disconnect via MRI?

cubix

[plush nest]

I was gonna ask why it didn’t say anything to the alt team but with the og team being disconnected I guess that it wouldn’t know what they would be up to

[eternal talon]

very true.

[plush nest]

Playing r8c1 for the first time and hearing Schaffer pleading with us is almost saddening, like dude just doesn’t want to be left alone. Then again he killed Hendrickson so

[eternal talon]

they paid a voice actor to voice less than 30 lines of dialogue

[placid shore]

sorry cuz he was caught red handed fk him

[coral gorge]

we are talking abt E1/E2 so... after

[plush nest]

still sort of sad hearing him plead with us

[stone vine]

guys

what if

bishop… is british

[loud urchin]

then he will be either deeply unpleasant to interact with or an absolute lad to take out to a curry house for some banging chicken tikka masala

[lilac island]

i use bat occasioanly

[fresh gyro]

im going to use you

shut

[honest summit]

What If...Garganta is in UK, and sleepers are Just average Birmingham residents? (have you Seen their theeth?)

[coral gorge]

the complex is actually in the mythical land of Liverpool

and the sleepers are average english football fans

the true purpose of garganta was to contain them

[honest summit]

Its Just a Hospital. They are waiting in Line for free health Care

[cold sphinx]

hot

thats why IFO is always hackett and a femboy

[fresh gyro]

Lies

Slander

[short gazelle]

Anyone got a high res pic of Schaeffers face?

[cold sphinx]

bruh what

[short gazelle]

From his corpse in R8. I've got a theory and I'm too lazy to replay through the level

[short gazelle]

I think they straight up just retextured Wood's face and gave him dumbo ears lmao!

[cold sphinx]

yeah

[tame goblet]

Woods and Bishop share the same face. Hacketts is also vastly similar. 10CC gotta cut corners where they can

[next panther]

Never heard of 10CC reusing assets

[fading heath]

Omg Jason Statham reference

They look like him)

[cold sphinx]

I see whatchu did there mf

[past knot]

are all the rundowns seperate facilities or is just the same one getting deeper each time

[cunning light]

Same facility. We just stop on different levels from the elevator.

Not exactly "deeper each time", but it goes mostly by layers

[royal crow]

same facility

[past knot]

so it just goes deeper and deeper then

right

or does it not

[royal crow]

yes

[past knot]

so why do the final levels drop to like 900 meters when their are deeper ones in earlier rundowns

is it just different parts of the facility

[royal crow]

just different parts

Garganta is the size of an entire city

[past knot]

is that what the facility is called

[royal crow]

yes

Garganta

[past knot]

and they built in in like what 20 years

2040 something to 2060 something

[royal crow]

yup

when theres billions of dollars involved
people build really fast

:)

[past knot]

is iridium really that valuable

[royal crow]

yes

[past knot]

damn

[royal crow]

it was a really REALLY big deposit of iridium and other minerals

[past knot]

then wouldn't it just drop it's value if they found that much

[royal crow]

not really

[past knot]

oh it is pretty useful i guess

more useful than diamonds

[royal crow]

iridium is really weird

[past knot]

why

[royal crow]

im not sure

and i dont want to say fake info

so i think its better for you to investigate

[loud urchin]

I mean

If you control the worlds supply of something, you can also control the price

Withhold a bunch, keep prices high, live in your market because what's anyone going to do about it? Out-compete you?

[royal crow]

lol

no one would be able to compete since iridium is extremely weird

i read somewhere it was around 2 Billion dollars worth of iridium? (In GTFO)

maybe more

[long glacier]

i feel like this might be a previously answered question, but im wondering how those holes where we extract or get sent down thru are created. like they feel they were created via some brute force? any ideas?

[royal crow]

it was a weapon

a massive energy beam

[loud urchin]

so, right

[burnt wren]

Massive laser beams shooting from the earth did them.

[loud urchin]

I think it was an alien spaceship that fired out a bunch of energy beams

[long glacier]

oh...

[loud urchin]

because people tried to send a signal/message into the ship I think

I can't quite remember, but it's something like that

[burnt wren]

Not quite.

[long glacier]

and the hsu depots were just conveniently placed on top?

[burnt wren]

Mr "Big Brain" Hammerstein decided to play a sound sleepers don't like on loudspeakers. For science.

Sleepers got omega mad and aliens intervened to prevent the facility from being completely overrun.

[long glacier]

also on that note, is our quad always dropping from the same hsu depot?

no right?

[burnt wren]

In fact, based on some logs about heat signatures incresing in the depth - it seems they were specifically preparing for that event.

[royal crow]

yes

wait no

maybe?

idk

unless they somehow move the same HSU to another lift

[long glacier]

yea

[royal crow]

its a different one most likely

[long glacier]

these are some funky questions lol

[royal crow]

since theres different lifts

[long glacier]

mb

[burnt wren]

Most certainly different.

[long glacier]

ah ok

[burnt wren]

Every rundown is a separate hole.

No direct confirmation, but its implied by rundown selection screen.

[long glacier]

yea that seems like it

and especially with how we extract and all

thanks!

[loud urchin]

and some missions are at effectively the same depth too

so you're definitely elsewhere in a very big facility

[long glacier]

yea definitely, i still cant imagine they built this thing so fast

dreyfus has some mad cash

[past knot]

i feel like thats a little bit small considering that at that point in the future inflation would have dropped its value

[past knot]

ohhh ok

[royal crow]

I dont think thats how it works at all

as Pachi said

when you have control of the supply of something you can control the price

[past knot]

maybe but i feel like 2 billion dollars in iridium today would probably be worth like 900 million in like 40-50 years

[royal crow]

also do you know how much 2 billion is?

[royal crow]

we dont know the state of the world of GTFO at that extense

🤷‍♂️

[past knot]

true

[royal crow]

maybe the economy is better

:)

[past knot]

there are plenty people in the world with 10x that amount of money though

[royal crow]

that doesnt mean its not a lot

good for them

but money is money

[past knot]

at this rate, 😔

[royal crow]

if a mining company had the chance to strike 2 billion dollars in an excavation

they will obviously take the chance

[past knot]

ik i just feel like it wouldnt be enough to build an entire underground city for it

[past knot]

true who wouldnt

[royal crow]

also they found an alien spaceship

so jackpot

[past knot]

i was gonna say it would probably be based off real-life sized mining facilities but then again the chicxulub meteor was comparable to mount everest

[royal crow]

as far as we know
Santonian mining company is HUGEEEEEE

so they probably have the money for that and more

[past knot]

imagine this but as big as the base of mt everest

yeah so no way it's only one hole in the ground

[royal crow]

its bigger actually

the facility

Garganta is the same size as an entire city

[eternal talon]

$2863 per troy oz when they started digging.
~$300 billion worth of iridium was detected. (Though most was actually cretasum-77a)

Sorry I'm late

@royal crow @long glacier

Also here is the size scale of garganta

[long glacier]

Sheeesh ok

Thank you for the visual

[long glacier]

Also another random thing is like, would be really cool to see how the prisoners actually get extracted

But I feel like this shifts from lore channel

All in all I think while extracting they are just waiting for the hsus to drop down and then just pop in and go

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[burnt wren]

In ideal wold we would have an animated sequence of getting into the pod and the lift shooting upwards as monsters pile up in the edge of the hole.
Kinda like left 4 dead does it with Final escape cut scenes.

[long glacier]

Yea

Cuz it kinda feels weird having to scan, like shouldn't the warden already know?

[coral gorge]

i guess its supposed to be the time it takes the lift to arrive?

hard to tell

[long glacier]

Yes that's what I am assuming

[burnt wren]

That doesn't explain why it stops if you leave the scan.

We have to just throw this one into "game being game" pile

[coral gorge]

yeah

gameplay be gameplaying

[mortal pivot]

I may be misremembering but I think someone said it WAS that way in super early alphas (not the alphatest that we got to play)

[burnt wren]

10c cutting the good shit once again

[mortal pivot]

Like, you had to hold E to get in the pod and then you'd be invulnerable and it'd play like what you said

Perhaps I'm just remembering wrong

[stuck lagoon]

There is no escape pod. It's a one way trip. The extraction scan is the time it takes to syncronize your cortex interface with the warden. Once the signal is received, the prisoners explode, explaining why in many rundowns the whole team is not required to complete the scan. Each team is cloned and stored in KDS Deep to complete further rundowns without risk of infection or spreading infection.
I'll remove my tinfoil hat now.

[coral gorge]

its too late for you

nuke his house

[long glacier]

Damn that's deep

[proper ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/взгляд-2000-ярдов-война-war-soldier-gif-3632617944134077161

[royal crow]

300 billion holy shit

[lilac island]

there is no such thing as og squad

aside r1a1

[lilac island]

maybe the scan is confirming that at least one member of the team survived and then sends the required amount of hsus down

[royal crow]

what

[loud urchin]

this is just memory imprint theory all over again

[royal crow]

this people are cooking something

[solemn wagon]

could be
it is way more friendly to think that all prisoners are retrieved for redeployment

esp cuz of the non-sleeper "ghosts" that schaeffer encounters

[royal crow]

"ghosts"?

[burnt wren]

Are you talking about the mimics?...

[royal crow]

you mean the mimics

[loud urchin]

I think at this point it is just chad theory that's accepted

[solemn wagon]

i think so
but im not sure about their actual name
its the clones the warden makes to contact survivors in the complex

[burnt wren]

To be fair in the million membranes there's eventually a squad who survives through sheer luck

[loud urchin]

I kinda wanna believe that the ALT rundowns are in the same worldline as the original and are just a different section of the complex, but there's not really anything going for that theory + r8 sends me its regards

[lilac island]

i think that clone theory doesnt work solely because the warden also uses the scan to confirm that the prisoners successfully secured objective items

[solemn wagon]

it is statistically possible

[burnt wren]

Yes, that's them. Clones, units, mimics... What the official name... The Conduits?....

[royal crow]

yeah

conduits

[solemn wagon]

yea conduits

[lilac island]

mpu, neonatal, data cubes, etc

they absolutely get picked up after missions

[solemn wagon]

as far as i can tell
the conduits dont really have proper human features
they're described as being human but not

[burnt wren]

I mean you can literally find its' corpse in a couple of levels

[royal crow]

they have a human body, they speak (weird but they speak)

[burnt wren]

Its humanoid, but one of the lore log insists that they are, by definition, not clones.
100% artificially bred, from scratch.

[solemn wagon]

this makes more sense

its hard as balls to design something thats perfectly human from scratch

[burnt wren]

At which point i have to ask why humanoid

If you could shape them into literally anything... Isn't there superior forms?...

[lilac island]

theyre grown from the neontal hsu babies arent they

[solemn wagon]

im assuming its to pique the curiosity of survivors
so they talk to the conduits

[royal crow]

i guess so it can be easier for them to come in contact with actual humans

and talk

and stuff

[burnt wren]

They are. Who are also 100% artificial, or at least should be.

Hey, at least there's no horrific child trafficking going on.

[lilac island]

r3:

[solemn wagon]

andrew tate has expanded to garganta

[lilac island]

arent the conduits grown from the neonatal hsu babies we handle

[royal crow]

yes

[solemn wagon]

correct

[lilac island]

that would explain the humanoid form

[burnt wren]

❌ Unethical science experiments.
❌ Brainwashing.
❌ Forceful imprisonment.
❌ Playing God.
❌ Getting humanity killed.
✅ The child is not a real child.

[royal crow]

on R7D1 you can see one growing up

really fast

[solemn wagon]

havent reached there yet
but im excited to watch the (not) child grow

[lilac island]

they grow up so fast ❤️

[solemn wagon]