gtfo-lore

[coral gorge]

The depressurized one obv

[cold sphinx]

there

[coral gorge]

not the dead one

[eternal talon]

I'd think it running out of power would at the very least kill it.

They are kept almost dead in stasis, same as us

[cold sphinx]

i mean

the HSU cover us with fluids right?

eventually if not connected to a normal standpoint itd be spoiled

[eternal talon]

So do fish tanks but you need the filters to keep it clean and oxygenated

[cold sphinx]

thats what im sayin

it really does fucks you if anything happens to the tubes

[eternal talon]

Without power the stage of the neonate doesn't matter

So cubix is right that there is no way it'd last more than a month on its own supply

[cold sphinx]

for the most part

[cold sphinx]

good amount of time

[eternal talon]

They were kept stored in those giant machines, not in the units

[cold sphinx]

to find and make use of the resources it has

[cold sphinx]

by the way

ive been talking about snatchers today

they do really look like apes

bc of how their hind legs looks

[next scroll]

But aren’t those just versions of ourselves from different dimensions?

[placid shore]

nope they are different people

[next scroll]

Honestly thought that all of the masks on them were supposed to indicate that they were us but from alternate timelines or sum

but if they were the other ksos then they should’ve changed their models sometype of way

[placid shore]

the ones u find dead with the same outfit as our main chracters are from different dimensions but the other 32k ksos are other operatives

[next scroll]

Do we see them? cause all my playthroughs have just been with the alternate-characters just lying in different parts in each rundown sector

And by „them” i mean the other operatives

[placid shore]

no they are in HSUs

[next scroll]

Fuck, my personal lore gathering is fucked then

Cause I have thought that they „could” be the other operatives from the stasis units but they didn’t get in time for evac or something so they had to get fast enough to another hydrostatis in that sector and somehow make themselves go sleep

[eternal talon]

Have a read of the "for dummies" document in the pins of this channel. It may cover some things you have questions on

[next scroll]

Cause it could also explain when we „fail” a sector, we get awoken again in the hydrostatis unit

^tried to simplify that bit^

[next scroll]

i’ll look into it, thanks👍🏻

[eternal talon]

There was no evacuation. In fact, the warden sealed all passageways to the surface, keeping any and all survivors trapped in garganta.

The entire surface world is dead.

Garganta was holding out against the sleepers for years before they were finally overrun

In the original worldline at least, it wasn't the sleepers that destroyed the world. It was the virus that broke free from garganta and got out into the altantic

[next scroll]

I meant that during our sector completions in each rundown, when we fail the mission we are put somehow into temporary sleep (kind of like in r6 extraction when you fail and get overwhelmed) and another team of operatives from the hydrostasis-pods, wakes up to evacuate us

[cold sphinx]

the final wars mens when they see a sea of tanks swarming the gates

[eternal talon]

Deaths are simply considered non-canon. In lore, our original "true" squad is defined as Kovac's "perfect quad".

We do every mission first try PE.

[next scroll]

What about the Alternate rundowns then cause those still exist and are a different timeline (kind of)

[eternal talon]

The alt team are likewise considered the same until they finally "fail" in r8e1, once again proving that the og squad was indeed the most perfect ever assembled among the worldlines

[eternal talon]

All encountered bar one died before r8 even began, and the alt squad die by the end of it

Only our og quad makes it out

[cold sphinx]

the 4 horse men of

[eternal talon]

(And even they are doomed to a slow painful death from the virus)

[next scroll]

true

[next scroll]

Would make sense considering the fact that they must get it sooner or later even when they do each rundown First try, no problem 100% skill

[eternal talon]

Among all known worldlines (several thousand are saved in the excel spreadsheet log) only ONE was clean from the virus and parasite.

And when we go there in r8e2, we take the virus with us either in ourselves, or on/in the wreckage of kds-deep

Dooming that world to the same fate

[royal crow]

Durant: 🫃

[cold sphinx]

there still is a chance

[next scroll]

Basically, everything was a cycle and we did not prevail

[cold sphinx]

a high probaility of that world

[eternal talon]

The reason why they haven't died from it yet is because both hydrostasis killing it every time they end a mission, and them only being exposed for 1-2 hours per mission, and have only done ~85 missions, yet nam-v takes an average of 5 weeks to kill

[warm root]

Schaeffer 😱

[cold sphinx]

being a world through time suffering the same fate

and made it out by winning

defeating the virus and the creatures

just a chance

a glimpse or even better a prevention of any other worldy visitors

[warm root]

The virus is too much 😷

[eternal talon]

Even though that chance is far less than 1%, that doesn't discount us bringing a massive amount of contaminated materials with us

[next scroll]

We can presume that they haven’t been put in hydrostasis in the last mission tho… right?

[eternal talon]

Not in the last few after we disabled our neural chips.

[next scroll]

True on that part

[eternal talon]

We simply wouldn't have been able to wake ourselves up if we did

At that point everyone was against us and would be unwilling to wake us, and we know from past events you can't just wake yourself and be fine and dandy

[next scroll]

Cause no one would be there to do it

[eternal talon]

Moreso everyone else wanting us dead

Schaeffer for thinking we were betraying him... and warden for... you know

[next scroll]

You would be unstable mentally cause whenever we finish a sector, we get a „log” of information about our psyche, etc.

[eternal talon]

No, I mean moreso there would be nobody able to administer the hydrokinetic fluid, and our brains would simply melt inside our skulls and we would all immediately plop on the floor dead

[next scroll]

thinking more about the „no one could wake us up”

[eternal talon]

As was what happened to Maddox, after schaeffer woke him incorrectly

Rage and then sudden death

[next scroll]

Blob of Play-doh🫠

[cold sphinx]

on the contrary

bro went full ballistic

and choke slammed him

[eternal talon]

That he did, but schaeffer himself states in an audio log in the next level reading paperwork about the neural collapse caused by failure to administer the fluid

Reading that information caused him to demand we send him the fluid collection case objective in r7b1, and what allows him to successfully wake henrikkson in r7c1

[next scroll]

From what I gathered rn, Schaeffer tried to wake up one hydrostasis unit, made a mistake, realized it and later woke up henrikkson in the correct way

[eternal talon]

Yes

[cold sphinx]

same way they did hackket and bishop

[eternal talon]

Ehhhhhhh
No not really not at all

[next scroll]

you mean „not even close”

[eternal talon]

That was while they were still being turned into ksos and still had their memories, they didn't die or nothing, Kovac research just put them back under

More time to cook as it were

[dense saffron]

idk if I agree with this, something is obviously helping the og team with the blue text, probably the warden, it doesn't make sense to me that if it is the warden helping them why would it let them bring an infected area to the only clean reality?

[burnt wren]

The blue text been bothering me too.

I assumed it was the ALT Schaeffer trying to fix things, but he never aknowledged the other team in any meaningful way.

So maybe it was Warden... Or someone else.

[dense saffron]

also alt schaeffer dies but you keep getting blue text

my guess is the mainline team got infected, probably on b1 when you jump to the fucked up facility, so the warden decided to use the alt team

[royal crow]

remember R8 is made from multiple worldlines
is possible theres more than 2 wardens (OG and ALT)

[dense saffron]

yeah but all the wardens are linked

[royal crow]

also that blue text could be us

making our own objectives

since we are now in control

[dense saffron]

I doubt it, because it shows up before we get unplugged and fights with schaefer over the obj text

[royal crow]

that can be us fighting schaeffer orders

[dense saffron]

idk

[dense saffron]

Could actually be the case, we first see the blue text the level after we walk under the alt team and overhear them talking about the data sphere, we then take it and alt schaefer is confused as to where it's gone

but alt schaefer also says the warden has assets looking for it but it's not where it's supposed to be

I feel like the warden should know the alt team took the data sphere, right?

[royal crow]

didnt OG team took the data shpere?

[dense saffron]

yeah sorry, by alt team i was refering to the og team

as in, on the level where schaefer is talking about the sphere being missing, the other team has taken it, making them the alt team in this situation, really bad wording on my part

[coral gorge]

I always just assumed blue text was us (og team)

Like it wouldnt make sense to be anyone/anything else since it still apears after frying the chips

so i think its just us breaking free

[craggy widget]

Are we ever really free?

[gilded vine]

There's no way blue text isn't us

[drowsy roost]

I think the blue team was objectives we (OG team) set for ourselves (i.e. breaking free of OG Schaeff's control)

[burnt wren]

It doesn't work like that. If that was the case - 10c would give them voicelines.

[drowsy roost]

What else would they be?

I don't think everything needs to be a VO

[burnt wren]

They definitely didn't get the idea to fry their control chips in some random piece of machinery. Also R8B4 main objective.
Something else was giving them orders during that period. Now AFTER R8C2 there is an argument to be made that it is their own objectives, and at that point 10c start actively using VO as they start actively commenting on what's going on and what they should do next.

[drowsy roost]

If it wasn't their own determination, what would it be?

OG Warden/Biocom is pretty much out of the picture...

[burnt wren]

But ALT ones aren't. The one assisting ALT Schaeffer, who is clearly present in the same reality

[drowsy roost]

Starting to sense this might be a consistency issue...

[burnt wren]

Just throw it into the pile

Multiverse tends to do that.

[drowsy roost]

For the OG story in R8 — Schaeff has control over the Warden and able to set objectives. In the ALT timeline prior to R8, Schaeff and the Warden were working together. So I guess the question is, if Warden no longer has control, then how is ALT Schaeff giving the quad orders in R8. Or if ALT Warden is in control, how is OG Shaeff giving orders...

[burnt wren]

The game seems to suggest that timelines "merged"

[drowsy roost]

So Biocom merged and is and isnt' in control, at the same time?

[burnt wren]

OG didn't teleport to ALT and ALT didn't teleport to OG - their worlds literally collided and fused, keeping one complex and both squads.

But how... Yeah, that is impossible.

[drowsy roost]

Not denying that, just the Biocom part makes no sense.

[burnt wren]

BIOCOM can and cannot be hacked at the same time.

[drowsy roost]

Exactly.

[burnt wren]

Only 1 state should've remain.

Unless Schaeffer's orders somehow originate directly from OG timeline network

[drowsy roost]

It would make more sense of they hacked the implants, and can control ONLY the quad.

[burnt wren]

But frankly that's fucking insanity and just me coping with the plot holes

[drowsy roost]

Haha, yeah... I started adding these to the wiki. Give the 10ch guys a chance when GTFO2 appears on their roadmap 😆

[burnt wren]

At this point i'm convinced GTFO was just an experiment

No any real thought went into anything lore related. They just threw things to the wall and watched what sticks for future notice.

[drowsy roost]

Oh totally. I maintain that they started development by refining the gameplay loop. And once that was in a good state, they added lore.

[burnt wren]

"We're gonna bring old levels back, got any ideas how can we put it into context?"
"Multiverse"
"Amazing idea Steve, you do that"

[drowsy roost]

Also, I've spent a lot of time going through the game data and it was obvious they intended random level generation to be a major gameplay feature.

[burnt wren]

R8 lore is pretty clearly thrown together on a lap while driving on a taxi, just so that they could finish the game.

[drowsy roost]

Right now you can change a random number generator seed value and you get all new maps with the same objectives...

[burnt wren]

Or they just operate on gameplay coming first, and then they shoehorn lore to fit what's going on

[drowsy roost]

I think that's probably how they approached their development. And its fine, the gameplay loop is really quite refined.

[burnt wren]

I'm not sure i agree with treating your lore as an after-thought, but game's gotta be finished, so...

Just saying: if this will transform into any other piece of media - there's some HEAVY retconning required.

[drowsy roost]

Indeed.

[frail pollen]

We actually build them hand-in-hand but more so lore dictates a bit more on what the theme of a level is about

[frail pollen]

Not sure I'd say RNG to be a major gameplay feature, more like we knew that being a small team, we needed to maximize the re-use of assets and mechanices to get the most out of so little. Early Rundown explanation video mentions how we were even trying for weekly or monthly rundown releases. But it turns out that making a level takes a LOT more time than we even intended (just the create an objective, generate the layout). Those initial versions are a LOT rougher than expected and takes a lot of time to actually make them fun to play.

[drowsy roost]

Oh that's great insight, thanks @frail pollen

I sinserely hope you were able to set the RNG variables and regenerate levels in Unity on-the-fly — otherwise that would have been a real slog.

[coral gorge]

Well Henri does tell us about the machine

so i think thats how we got that idea

and like… what else could it be than ourselves? Schafer even says in B4 that we are rebelling against him not some other force is making us do it

like he says smth among the lines of „You arent suposed to be making orders”

[dense saffron]

Schaefer literally says "you're working for the warden now?" on b4 iirc

[dense saffron]

[SCHAEFFER]You're working for the Warden now. Traitors! Why are you doing this? I have a plan-- WE have a plan! Fuck the Warden, remember? Argh!```

Schaeffer says we're working for the warden now after the blue text shows up and calls us traitors

my guess is the warden instance he took over is fighting back, thus the blue text

probably wants to get the chips out so that schaeffer can't hijack us again

[coral gorge]

He says smth about us giving ourselvrs orders too doesnt he?

after we get the sphere i think

also

it wouldnt make sense for him to try to convince us to obey him if we were controlled by someone else

[dense saffron]

pretty sure he talks about us not listening to his orders

you also may be remembering his R6DX rant where he says he's not taking orders, hes giving them

[coral gorge]

Since we would just obey whatever order was given to us, not what we were thinking aby

and yet he tried to convince us to follow hik

which i think shows that we are disobeying him from our own command

[dense saffron]

personally i think it's the hijacked warden helping us, that's why the obj text it gives us is so fucked up

[coral gorge]

also schafer says „dont disobey me” several times

which i think is meant to show its us not someone else changing the orders

[final sentinel]

Oh hey it’s dak

[lilac island]

it's a protagonist check

warden: protagonist, can hack
henrik: protagonist, can hack
literally every other employee in the complex: can't hack

biocom is just a failure

[coral gorge]

biocom has a skill issue

change my mind

[lilac island]

i cant

you're correct

[lilac island]

like the sheer odds

[cold sphinx]

fr?

also hi elbow

[lilac island]

you could i suppose claim that we are just the only multiverse where henrikson managed it

hi WarpGateEnjoyer [Comms broken]

[cold sphinx]

yeah my voice is gone

[lilac island]

that so sad

[cold sphinx]

i aint throwin it back no mo

[lilac island]

alexa play the metal pipe effect

[lilac island]

wait we're in lore chat

[cold sphinx]

wdym

forklift is cannon

[lilac island]

🥫

[cold sphinx]

thats physical food

get rekt

[formal ember]

if food canon in the gtfo lore? never seen any

[coral gorge]

What about pumpkins?

and meth ferns?

[lilac island]

food canon

but also we dont take off masks

so we dont do that anymore

OG scheaffer did

guess what, he got the virus and went schizo

that's what you get if you eat physical food

[coral gorge]

Yeah exactly

should have relied on the cosmic powers to supply him nutrients

silly

[lilac island]

hydrostasis units

do the thing

[eternal talon]

Guess what?
Pipes burst in the ceiling at work so I got like 500x the amount of time to talk in here

[burnt wren]

Oofium

[eternal talon]

Oyfum?

[frail pollen]

oooh 500x the lore from frosty? #winning

[clear shale]

the SCPipes have exploded

[lilac island]

frosty is there a lore reason why we aren't equipped with a comedically sized spoon as a melee weapon

you know

maybe HSUs could have had some applications for PTSD or other trauma

where you just forget

[eternal talon]

The fact that it wouldn't be a good melee instrument

[lilac island]

how do you know that

[eternal talon]

You can't beat a good ol' fashioned truncheon

[lilac island]

funnily enough our prisoners became better people through this whole ordeal

[eternal talon]

How so? We still left 4 people to die, and killed two

[lilac island]

we killed 1

and those other 4 well fair

but i don't think anyone would be thinking straight given the adrenaline and overwhelming amount of just self preservation instinct going on

this has been your dream for months

and mainly it's that we no longer remember our crimes because of HSUs

we are reborn

[eternal talon]

🤓👆 technically we can kill both schaeffers and it is the optimal speedrun strat

[lilac island]

can

[placid shore]

Still a large metal object

[lilac island]

if you're a peepee poopoo head

i like to think we just killed og

[placid shore]

Would hurt if u swing it properly

[eternal talon]

A greatclub you do not wield the same as a club. One has the "heavy" property

I think anyway

[lilac island]

dnd momen

[eternal talon]

Either that or it's classed as versatile 1d6

No way it's 1d8

[lilac island]

2d6

cry about it

[eternal talon]

So would a metal chair

[eternal talon]

That's a great sword iirc

[lilac island]

maul

aka sledgehammer for warriors

man i really wonder why the devs went with this type of ending

how aren't we infected

i can't shake this thought out of my head

[eternal talon]

👉 bishop remembering his hatred of davies after his first year in stasis

[lilac island]

bishop wasn't a bad person

does

warp travel kill the virus?

it couldn't possibly

"somehow you've managed to stay clean"

[eternal talon]

...

Tell me elbow, how did the virus get HERE

[lilac island]

"somehow you've managed to stay clean"

[eternal talon]

How did the story even start?

[lilac island]

maybe our machinery specifically kills it

aliens got whatever other tech

like

no matter how i think of this i can't find a way

[eternal talon]

We doomed an entire universe.

unintentially

[lilac island]

SOMEHOW YOU'VE MANAGED TO STAY CLEAN

HOW ARE WE CLEAN

because scheaffer knows we are

the warden knows we are

it keeps track

[eternal talon]

HE SAYS THAT ARE THE START OF THE MISSION, WE WOULDNT BE REINFECTED THAT BAD YET

It takes time

[lilac island]

NO

BeCOZ

THen he says

[eternal talon]

We're all out of money?

[lilac island]

"That wont stay that way if you interact with others"

so that means that infection remains a problem

namv infection not the funny fog

[eternal talon]

Woods is class f

[lilac island]

so if that's a problem

what's that got to do with this

if namv infection is a problem then HSU probably doesn't actually get rid of it

[eternal talon]

It's the designated for infected.

We don't know if he was infected or just simply a failure

[lilac island]

failure

[eternal talon]

It does, we know for a fact it does, it just doesn't reverse the damage dealt

It's like a cancer

You can't uncancer cells

[lilac island]

DO we know though

some logs say it does

but like people in logs are wrong sometimes

"oh biocom unhackable hurr durr"

henrikson:

https://tenor.com/view/kurt-angle-thousand-yard-stare-stare-tiktok-wtf-gif-12206044702998985154

[eternal talon]

We'd be dead by now if it didn't 5 weeks is the rule

[lilac island]

no no no no no no listen

listen

[eternal talon]

For guaranteed death from nam-v, it is UP TO five weeks

[lilac island]

we aren't infected while inside our suits

[eternal talon]

Suits?

[lilac island]

but when we go to the new home, we bring the virus that's splattered all over our clothes with us

yes, our apparel

[eternal talon]

We totally are lol

[lilac island]

masks, shirts, pants

we totally arent'

[eternal talon]

Have you SEEN some of the shit we wear?

[lilac island]

YES

[eternal talon]

So much exposed skin

Pointless

[lilac island]

nAH

IGNORE THAT

[eternal talon]

Why though

[tough wave]

Some of the cosmetics imply that we are worth using advanced bionics on, which is neat

[lilac island]

because there's a new log that proves you can stay alive if you take nothing off

[eternal talon]

Your just saying "ignoring all of this, x is true". Well yeah, you just ignored everything that disproves x lol

[eternal talon]

Link?

[lilac island]

i'm willing to sacrifice that because this theory i think works

[eternal talon]

Because that seems highly... sus

BECAUSE

[lilac island]

AKK-3XW-EEB

scientist in garganta after everything went to shit who has stayed alive for 2 years

and hasn't taken his mask off in 2 years

[eternal talon]

We also have a log saying that parasite carrying the virus can eat through literally max tier hazmat gear irl

So a single striker hit would fuck you

[lilac island]

that's another thing

lets assume for the sake of argument that we are gods

we don't get hit

ever

since we're the god quad

and we don't die

[eternal talon]

First try pe is one thing, but NO HIT?

[lilac island]

plot armor is a thing in this game

in that specific scenario right

we wouldn't actually be infected, because we are completely sealed off from the outside permanently

just like that scientist

[eternal talon]

Plot armor, not plot titanium platemail jesus

[lilac island]

but the virus WOULD stay on our clothes and shit

because we use melee and get blood splattered on us plus the virus is just everywhere

[eternal talon]

Yes. There are like a dozen ways the "clean" worldline is now infected

[lilac island]

exactly

so the thing is

EVEN if we are clean as humans

which apparently we are because of our massive plot armor since alt sch comfirms it

even then we would infect the new world because the virus is all of your clothes and suits

like it just doesn't work

no matter how much benefit of the doubt you give the quad

idk if this was the intentional thing to do but it feels so weird

[eternal talon]

And the wreckage of kds deep, and on all the hsus, and in the class f infected personnel

And on the mwp

[eternal talon]

Devs said like a year ago we weren't gonna have a happy ending

Just as a matter of fact if you don't already know

[lilac island]

well sure

but that could be the alt quad just dying a horrid death

hope torn painfully out of their hands

[placid shore]

So WE basically fked the survivors of the dimension unless they already have figured out a way to counter the virus

[lilac island]

along with all their major muscle groups and blood vessels

[eternal talon]

Turned into sleepers to suffer on for millennia

Suicide isn't a game mechanic

[lilac island]

it is

[eternal talon]

They gon' get sleeperified

[eternal talon]

what

[lilac island]

well, mines

and intercepted comms

r5b4? i think

some guy just commits big sleep

we can't do it in game but people do

[eternal talon]

Not us, most comms are from dead squads

[lilac island]

yeah but that means we can

[eternal talon]

To what extent...

Can you turn into a sleeper without a head

[lilac island]

probably

[eternal talon]

What are the nightmare shooters/strikers

[lilac island]

when a mommy charger and a daddy striker love each other very much

[eternal talon]

Even if they kill themselves they still can probably be turned

[lilac island]

sure but they wont be there to suffer

[eternal talon]

And you know the hive damn well would love some of that plot armor

[eternal talon]

Yeah they will?

[lilac island]

the funny thing is you might be right because they're out of ammo by the time the warden pulls back

lmao

[eternal talon]

You don't die when you are turned

They blow their brains out sure they won't be conscious to perceive it,

[lilac island]

idk if i buy this

[eternal talon]

But if they miss?

[lilac island]

frostty how do you miss a suicide shot

[eternal talon]

Devs said themselves that sleepers aren't zombies. So logically speaking, the host cannot die

Otherwise they would be

[lilac island]

that doesn't mean

[eternal talon]

They are simply puppeted

[lilac island]

that doesn't mean that

like ok they're not zombies but that doesn't mean that they have this specific quality now because zombies dont

[eternal talon]

It isn't like a 28 days later rage virus because the parasite controlls hosts, as parasites do

[lilac island]

that's a fair point but i think that

the virus wrecks you so hard that you're basically just not there anymore

the skull is probablty just filed with sleeper eggs

parasite*

like strikers don't have brains

[eternal talon]

Oh I agree. Something like a striker wouldn't have enough of the brain left to perceive anything and I doubt would be conscious, as all is left is the brainstem because the parasite needs that to puppet

But now think about a shooter

[lilac island]

yeah uh

brain eggs

[eternal talon]

Or a snatcher, where the ENTIRE HEAD IS INTACT

[lilac island]

we know parasites like the brain

because of all the buzzing and stuff infected people keep hearing

and all the psycological issues

they prolly munch

[eternal talon]

Depending on the variant, the host absolutely could suffer for all eternity

[lilac island]

also the head of a shooter is incredibly inflamed and gorged

idk if your brain survives that amount of just

[eternal talon]

Conscious as the parasite mutates and controls their body like the flood from halo

[lilac island]

me no think so

which variant do you think is suffering eternalyl

[eternal talon]

Look at the head of the snatcher

Or a charger/hybrid

[lilac island]

snatcher is a good guess yes it's all intact

[eternal talon]

Those are all also intact

[lilac island]

brain eggs

[eternal talon]

Tank, the face is split in half but we don't know about the brain

[lilac island]

their heads are huge

is odema the right word?

[eternal talon]

Eggs are stored in the intestines, as shown by various sleeper corpses

[lilac island]

they're stored everywhere

open up a shooter's chest and there they are

[eternal talon]

Not really, the head on tanks is embedded in the flesh on their chest. The tentacles are coming out of like the upper back/shoulders

[eternal talon]

Idk

[lilac island]

yes i mean for all the females

[eternal talon]

How about the mother, whose head is also entirely intact, just covered In a mucus membrane? Think of THAT suffering

[lilac island]

shooter, chicken, hybrid

all their heads are just completely wrecked and i would imagine the brain just goes brain dead from all the pressure inside the skull

like when you have a tumor or brain bleed and the pressure just wrecks your shit

that but really worse

[lilac island]

that's fair actually

i think you have a good point for snatcher and mother

maybe even tank

but idk bout the rest

[eternal talon]

Even with the basic variants I'm just saying, sleeper are immortal and ageless

Destination variants have been floating around for 7 fucking trillion years

[lilac island]

ouchies

[tranquil summit]

Who has this weeks password for R8A2 hidden terminal? I played R8B2 a few weeks ago and would like to read this log.

[cobalt mulch]

try @ + thisweek , should suggest a discord user with the code in the name

[clear shale]

@royal crow

[lost drum]

This man is a legend

[formal ember]

[ember badger]

So what happens after the end of R8E2 in the universe of GTFO?

Except that the prisoners finally touch grass

Did they manage to stop the spread of the virus?

Or find the true cure?

[cobalt mulch]

they link up with durant and his posse and swiftly infect all of them

last of humanity dies

the end

[ember badger]

💀

😭

😱

[coral gorge]

we warp out of the complex and end up in durants dimension and then infect them all and die on grass

[cobalt mulch]

in xxxx(x) years all the hsu's run out of power and doesn't make a difference as wrdn has deemed it futile to interact with us, so it or anyone else is opening any hsu's anymore

[coral gorge]

although i still believe Durant and everyone else could maybe find a way to survive by going into HSUs and setting them on some auto wake mode or some shit to wake them up in 1000 years when nam-v dies off in the dimension

[cobalt mulch]

if there's women in durant's posse, they could in theory start repopulation, start building from zero

but so bleak, so hopeless

meh.

[coral gorge]

and by everyone else i mean everyone except the unlucky few who'd be thrown out of their HSUs to make space for our team and durants

[coral gorge]

honestly i think it really is up for interpretation

which i kinda like

there is no constraining of what actually happened... plus you could say there are billions of versions of our encounter with Durant so anything you can come up with happens in one of the wordlines

[cobalt mulch]

yeh, .. i like it also, surprisingly shocking .. the one thing i missed from r8 was The Inner.. just a glimpse would have sufficed

[coral gorge]

also yeah

i wish we got to see it

would have been a cool section of E2 tbh

that for whatever reason we need to get to the inner

like to get the MWP or smth

or have the reactor for KDS be in the area around the Innner

[eternal talon]

TRUE, but only possible if they know the danger ahead of time -- before contact with the squad

Unfortunately iirc they left before nam-v overtook the site on earth

So they may not be aware of its dangerous potential

(And somehow automate the administration of hydrokinetic fluid, and create it for that matter, where there are)

[clear shale]

That is if they're even like. Outside

And not stuck in a HSU or smth

[eternal talon]

What do you mean?

We see grass at the end of r8e2, and the sky.

And during the credits we hear Durant talking to us directly

[coral gorge]

I mean… Connor did say he took HSU baths and didnt mention anyone waking him up

so i think its possible to automate the waking process

also do HSUs not kill the virus?

[eternal talon]

It does, I think the point of waiting is so you aren't reinfected immediately by touching the handle. (The outside of the Hsu would still be dirty)

Or breathing the air adjacent to the handle when it opens and you go HUAAAAAAAAGH

[clear shale]

See I've watched the end part over and over and I'm still convinced it's a recording

his voice has a resonating PSA-sounding filter over it

[eternal talon]

the voice is the same as the r6 destination ef01 logs though

[clear shale]

so

recording device?

[coral gorge]

so yeah just put everyone in pods that are set to auto wake in like a centaury and as long as everything works - humanity is safe… maybe (except the few people who have to get thrown out the pods to make space for our team and durants team)

[main raptor]

What I want to know is where the fk is Schafuer

[royal crow]

schaeffer?

he dead

[main raptor]

Proof

[royal crow]

we kill him

after he kills the other schaeffer

[main raptor]

Lies. We killed the other team. But the crazy schawfferererer should have made it.

[royal crow]

uuuuuh

no

schaeffer is already dead

[main raptor]

What part did I miss

[royal crow]

before E1/E2

[royal crow]

well, we kill schaeffer in R8D2

and then we betray ALT team

[main raptor]

Damn I didn't realize we were killing him is d2. I understood the e2 but didn't know it was betrayal. Thought it was "well the place is going hey wire better get out now".

[royal crow]

we betrayed them for that reason lol

"oh this place is going to hell"
"okay ima go away"

"good luck"

[main raptor]

Haha yeah. Makes sense. But I still feel the game was "rushed". Like what ever happen to the second baby in r7?

[next panther]

I mean R8 was kinda like "yo i know a way out lets do this quick and leave"

[tough wave]

Would you say you were in a rush to gtfo?

[coral gorge]

wordline spaghetti, R7 didnt really happen in R8s wordline so… yeah it is weird

also how did you miss both bodies of schafers in D2

[dense saffron]

I still think the og team being infected and thus dooming durant and co is a lame interpretation

why would the warden direct the alt team to hand over the data cubes or not do anything to stop the og team if they were infected

[coral gorge]

The warden seems to kinda be out of control at the end

like it doesnt do shit to save alt schafer

also it is still unclear how exactly did ALT team stay clean if nam-v should be literally everywhere

[dense saffron]

I guess the only real interpretation is that the sleepers don't necessarily carry nam-v

[coral gorge]

but that wouldnt make sense

and even then

how did og team get infected

if so

might be a plot hole who knows

[dense saffron]

? why would the og team be infected

[coral gorge]

If sleepers wouldnt carry nam-v

How would og team get infected

in a way that ALT team doesnt

[dense saffron]

at least, my interpretation is that the blue text is schaefers hacked warden fighting back. there's no reason the warden can't adapt around Hendrickson's hack. The alt team gets infected when they warp to the fucked up dimension in r8b1, the warden then helps the alt team escape after og schaeffer kills alt schaeffer

[coral gorge]

I think you mixed up the teams? ALT does R8A1-R8E1 (including B2) while OG does R8A2-R8E2 (including B4)

also it cant be og warden doing shit cause it wouldnt be able to keep giving us orders after we fry the chips

[dense saffron]

yeah? I think the alt team got infected, not the og team

[coral gorge]

schafer says og team is infected and alt schafer says alt is clean

[coral gorge]

and im still a firm believer blue text is us breaking free

[dense saffron]

og schafer is completly insane ans says he's going to sabotage the og team by telling the alt's they're infected

i don't think he's to be trusted

[coral gorge]

Perhaps, hard to tell on that part. But in C1 ALT schafer says to ALT team they managed to remain clean

[dense saffron]

my thoughts on the blue text is it's still the warden but we're not compelled to follow it, the difference between having an captain giving orders to soliders and a computer program following it's code

[dense saffron]

true...

[coral gorge]

i mean… we follow the warden for almost 7 whole rundowns

I really dont understand why everyone discredits og squad by just saying „yeah its the warden giving us orders via blue text” and not just saying its us breaking free

[dense saffron]

I guess my thoughts on the blue text being the og team breaking free is that it remaining glitched after the chip removal doesn't make sense, like after the chip is gone why would the text still be garbled. the hacked warden uses exclusively garbled text so that's why it makes sense to me

If the text was clear after the chip was gone, i'd be a lot more on board with the breaking free theory

[coral gorge]

My issue with that is the fact we have no info on there being 2 wardens at once, like it seems like the warden kinda self-terminates after R7E1

also id say the text is funny cause we are disobeying orders

[dense saffron]

All the wardens are linked together

[coral gorge]

Well yeah but how does that change anything

you mean its ALT warden giving us orders?

[dense saffron]

well, there's no real alt warden, they're all linked together across the dimensions

[coral gorge]

I always got the impression there are separate wardens that just have acess to a single database

[dense saffron]

My thought is they're like a hive mind

The main menu CLCTR multithreaded processor text implies so to me at least

[coral gorge]

guess we'll never know

[dense saffron]

my thought is the warden only steps in on b4 with the blue text because it realizes what schaeffer is trying to do and also needs the datasphere

[coral gorge]

also regarding blue text shenanigans - i think its actually US cause it starts out when we hear ALT schafer and not just on its own, so we physically learn about the other teams need for the sphere, and then we decide to get the sphere later on

[coral gorge]

the issue is, ALT schafer says the warden didnt manage to find the sphere

and why would it lie

plus you could make a point that Henriksons attempt in R8A2 started this whole thing, with us realizing schafer cannot be trusted

[dense saffron]

hmm fair points, I just don't see the team figuring some of the stuff out without the warden pulling at least some of the strings

[coral gorge]

im guessing you mean C2?

and the whole chip business?

my only guess would be they remember what Henrikson said

or i dunno, find a paper manual somewhere off screen

also another thing that could hint at it really being us deciding could be the fact that we want to remove the chips after schafer insults us a bunch

[dense saffron]

or in e2, knowing all the steps to jump the whole area out, what to do with the data cubes, knowing they need to power on the reactor, etc

[dense saffron]

lol

[coral gorge]

i guess yeah

the power of paper manuals strikes again

[dense saffron]

I'm actually fine with the blue text being us but my main sticking point is the og jumping instead of the alt team dooming the clean membrane to nam-v

[coral gorge]

but yeah that is kinda weird, i wish we had ALT schafer talk about it even in like a lore log in E2

[coral gorge]

that really is up for interpretation

[dense saffron]

I think that's a really lame interpretation of the ending when we already got the downer ending with e1

[coral gorge]

id say its possible durant and us figure out a way to survive

[dense saffron]

I don't think nam-v jumps with us at all

[coral gorge]

like throw out some unlucky fellows out of HSUs, set them to autowake in like a centaury once nam-v shuts up and voila

[dense saffron]

I don't think the collectors / warden would take any chances with infecting that universe with nam-v

[coral gorge]

guess yeah you could make a point abt that

we have no idea if nam-v gets warped

like destination teams got infected cause destination is swarming with nam-v

so it is a possibility nam-v is too small to be warped or smth

[dense saffron]

another interpretation, the warp can be configured by the collectors to only warp specific things, e.g. sleepers not getting warped with us depsite the fact we're swarmed with them at the end

so it could be the case that warping completly cleanses any infection, the issue is finding a place the collectors haven't already brought nam-v to by accident

[eternal talon]

they do, not only because that is fundamentally how they are made immortal, according to like 3 different logs, but also because there are records of them theorizing on NON-INFECTED parasites, meaning the ones we know as sleepers, ARE.

[coral gorge]

yeah i know

thats why i was like - would like theoritically somehow not carry it

[coral gorge]

god why does slug shotty have such a cool sight

why did they give it to a gun i never use

also frostty i assume their poses are identical wether or not you drown them early?

[eternal talon]

that doesnt make sense.

the mwp just changes your frequency -- the speed of which your atoms or whatever vibrate. and given the fact durant and his team sent supplies and plants through before, we know it can send through anything in the radius of the beams.

if it is changing our frequency, i don't see any reason why it wouldn't also change that of the virus, given it is attatched to us. like cooking in a microwave.

[coral gorge]

i suppose so

funny teleport science

[eternal talon]

yes, they are static models attatched to the levelayout tile itself

no variance.

[coral gorge]

yeah i assumed so

well atleast we got a funny dialogue

also is the water being drained animated in any way?

or does it just pop out of existence

[eternal talon]

i dont know, i never looked.

but i assume it is simply all smoke and mirrors

-- there was never any water to begin with

[coral gorge]

probably

[dense saffron]

pretty sure it just disables the game objects / invisible walls

[cold sphinx]

that

is a way to do it lol

im not gonna say lazy cause thats mean

[dense saffron]

idk, i wouldn't even call it lazy, you're not going to see it happen

[cold sphinx]

atleast some water effects

cause you are dumping a damn heavy amounts of water into a open space

[royal crow]

the water slowly goes down

[placid shore]

schaeffer is still drowning while im taking a selfie with his ragdoll-less body explain that

[royal crow]

GTFO moment

[placid shore]

[coral gorge]

your schafer is in another castle wordline

[wary portal]

So what does r8e1 secondary do

Lorewise

[royal crow]

reroute extra power to KDS deep i suppose

in case shit happens

[wary portal]

For og team to tp?

[royal crow]

yup

[wary portal]

Interessting

[royal crow]

well

ALT team was suppose to warp

but OG team fucked them over

[wary portal]

I wonder if they would get along well

If they met

[royal crow]

im pretty sure they would fight eachother to see who is better

[wary portal]

Or they just blasting

[royal crow]

they would blast each other

lol

[lilac island]

How

[wary portal]

Kite each other

[royal crow]

Hackett vs Hackett leaked footage

[wary portal]

Warden: tf is going on

[cold sphinx]

@eternal talon btw why da fuq is Dr.Durant at the end of E2

[royal crow]

he left to jungle planet

before garganta got fucked

so now he is chilling there

*ALT Durant

[cold sphinx]

Le bing xilling

Bro even setup bear traps

[drowsy roost]

https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/EF01

[cold sphinx]

gotchu

[next scroll]

can someone tell me wtf was the "rise project"?

[lost drum]

A project to rapidly grow human clones. R7 is called "Rise", there we get to the project vault (B3), and create our own clone (R7D1), which later appears in ALT R6D1. Also the result of failed attempts of the Rise project can be seen in R4D2 (a pile of corpses)

[eternal talon]

Not clones, but yeah.

Basically a replacement for Legion that was cheaper and more effective.

Instead of kidnapping people and putting them under for two years, they instead create test-tube-babies and accelerate their growth to adulthood in a matter of weeks, ready to serve as new ksos.

[lost drum]

Schaeffer called them clones

[eternal talon]

Rise uses "existing genetic material", referred to as "seeds" in other logs talking about it.

They are explicitly stated as "not clones", though, so schaeffer is wrong about that.

But don't get me wrong, they all do look damn near identical

The r4 tank room has a hundred corpses and they all I think are actually just copy pasted models

Then the Warden's Unit, in r6dx is very similar looking, but has noticeable differences, besides having like 5x the texture quality and polygon count

(If I was not at work this is is where I would post comparison screenshots)

[lost drum]

Wow, I didn't know that. I thought the body was the same as in R4D2

I mean, it's the same model

[eternal talon]

Nope, the r4 models are reaaalllly low quality

Like, they look like they are from a ps2 game. Terrible

[lost drum]

I'll have to replay the level

I was impressed with the room from R4D2, I remembered it as being very cool

But I guess I didn't look too closely at the textures

[eternal talon]

Here
#gtfo-lore message

The power of the search function

[lost drum]

Maybe they purposely lowered the quality of these corpses because there were so many of them. And there was no need for that in R6

[eternal talon]

Idk. The r8 nightmare dimension is filled to the brim with corpses and I didn't recall any performance issues from that

Also I think that one pile of bodies is just a single model

[lost drum]

There's just low quality corpses there, as I recall

[eternal talon]

Wouldn't make sense performance wise to stack them

[eternal talon]

I know the sleeper corpses at least there are the same as the singletons used in r6 and r7

[lost drum]

There were also human bodies, of terrible quality

But, uh, they did a great job drawing Schaeffer

The best corpse in GTFO, I think he's gonna get it

[placid shore]

Next goty will have a new category
Vote gtfo

[lost drum]

The most soothing gameplay

[eternal talon]

I feel like they were trying to compete for the most deadly virus/pandemic in gaming

[lilac island]

lets release this virus into the earth in 5000bc

and have there be zero fucking consequences for that ever

even though it infects animals and lives basically forever

and there are mentions specifically of flea demons

so the parasite did get out according to the mayans

earth should have been dead by 4950bc

https://tenor.com/view/explaining-stressed-crazy-homework-music-gif-13036231

i want a dev livestream where they just answer lore questions to the best of their abilities

UP TO THE 16TH CENTURY DURING THE OCCUPATION OF MAYAN TERRITORY BY THE SPANISH CONQUISTADORS

we could have survive namv if we just did what the mayans did

they staved off armageddon with rocks and sticks for thousands of years

who needs masks and science

[placid shore]

"realism ≠ fun" -gabe newell

[lilac island]

story =/= gameplay

the story can be realistic

the devs clearly try to be

and they keep failing

also a realistic story can be fun to read and learn about

[placid shore]

there is only one way to fix it

can you guess?

[lilac island]

headcanon

and speculations

and lots of duct tape

[placid shore]

gtfo the remake

on unreal engine

[lilac island]

yes

the power of namv is wildly inconsistent and it's really bizzare

and annoying

[placid shore]

i too wish stuff were more streamlined

but game wasnt appealing anymore

could have handed it to a different studio instead

[burnt wren]

Yeah, the lore got rushed towards the end

Multiverse came out of nowhere

And events of R8 defy explanation

They could've just stayed on track of "AI tries to keep facility alive because its all it knows" and we could probably end up with more compelling story

[royal crow]

the lore is questionable

but the levels are fire in my opinion

GTFO is definitely something i will remember for a lot of years

[vivid apex]

how does the og team go from infected to clean between r7 and r8?

[warm root]

He doesn’t know 🤯

But anyways, you played as alt team from altr1-r6 (no altr7) to altr8 (the left side of the rundown). OG team was already infected before in r7 and continues in ogr8 (right side of the rundown)

[coral gorge]

realistically ALT team should also be infected

who gets infected and who doesnt is... weird

[lilac island]

plot armor.

[coral gorge]

very much yes

[lilac island]

or you can accept the theory that HSUs clear NAMV

which i dont buy

but it is a popular theory that has some log evidence behind it

[coral gorge]

i mean... i guess that would kinda explain why we get it and ALT team doesnt

but i had the impression its implied we still use HSUs in R8A2-B4

[lilac island]

I really just don't like the idea

and the whole thing with scheaffer saying that somehow we have stayed clean

[coral gorge]

i mean i just kinda accepted HSUs kill nam-v

[lilac island]

if being clean was as simple as popping in an hsu

[coral gorge]

yeah thats weird

[lilac island]

then why would he place emphasis on it

[coral gorge]

yeah its weird

[lilac island]

and if it doesn't clear NAMV and just halts the progress of it

that's still a problem because then we're totally boned again

100% have the virus

[coral gorge]

i mean its implied it does one of these but we should still get reinfected instantly

[lilac island]

yeah

frostty says that it's a pause button for both the human and the virus

so it doesn't clear but just stops it

[coral gorge]

well its kinda weird as logs say - nothing survives HSU, connor said HSUs help with the virus, the official stance was HSUs dont do shit

[lilac island]

the scientist says that HSU helps with not getting infected i think because then he doesn't have to take the mask off to eat

[coral gorge]

nah he says it helps with the illness itself im pretty sure

he refers to the official stance

[lilac island]

i really doubt it

the official stance is not to go into them but that doesn't matter

[ember badger]

what makes some sleepers invisible in the gtfo universe?

[lilac island]

magic

[coral gorge]

dark magic

[lilac island]

yup

so thing is

you can't catch them to study them

and nobody knows because of that

also i think that not all sleepers were humans

i think it's mentioned in logs that sleepers who weren't humans will disintegrate after death

which means that the virus decides to birth them out of biomass kinda

[ember badger]

ohh

🤓

[lilac island]

which is a whole other can of worms if that's true

because that is just plain r#%ar#ed

the human physiology isn't designed to be a good hunter

[coral gorge]

i mean... you could argue we found ways around it

[lilac island]

yeah but it's just really stupid

why bother creating human shaped sleepers

with weaknesses

because the biomass thing does make sleepers

with the whole respawn room sacks thing

but it chooses to create mutated humans for some reason like whuh

make a namv wolf

watch every KSO die instantly

unless it's locked in because it only has access to human dna or something

[coral gorge]

would sorta make sense

i dont think anyone had pets in garganta

[lilac island]

it feels wrong to me

[eternal talon]

Hydrostasis kills.

Both die, but the host gets reinfected again almost immediately afterwards due to how densely thick garganta is.

Nam-v's lethality comes from its mutations of the host body mainly, and that damage would not be reversed by hydrostasis use. Eventually the mutations would stack up so much to be lethal, regardless if you enter hydrostasis or not.

Like a cancer.

[lilac island]

no

i don't think so

[eternal talon]

Can you post that log? Because that can't possibly be. The overwhelming majority of sleepers encountered in gameplay are human, yet only the white subspecies seem to not disintegrate

[eternal talon]

Wdym "no" lol

[lilac island]

post proof

[lilac island]

this isn't directly from a log but how i understood the project daylight logs

[eternal talon]

Alr. I will when I'm done cooking

[coral gorge]

let her cook

[royal crow]

Cubix

R7E1

[coral gorge]

go away

[lilac island]

and because sleepers are birthed out of biomass i assumed that it was the non human sleepers that were dissovling

[drowsy roost]

It's not definitive that sleepers are birthed from the biomas — we see two methods of sleeper reproduction — the pods/cacooons, and the mother.

[eternal talon]

I forgot to come back, my bad

[placid shore]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-meme-cook-gif-1177116184918006692

[eternal talon]

The breakthrough that Kovac Research hopes will answer these questions
is called Hydrostasis - a process that allows humans to be held in a
state of suspended animation for weeks, months, even years at a time
without suffering any ill-effects. The nuts and bolts of the process
are a closely guarded secret, but sources speculate that the procedure
likely uses a synthetic amniotic fluid to sustain and protect the body
while it is in an induced comatose state. In this state, the body is -
for all intents and purposes - dead, but no cell deterioration or
physical decay occurs. For the human in Hydrostasis, the heart, and
time, stops.

**Angela,

I don’t see how pathogens could be influencing the BAT result to be honest. The assessments are carried out after at least 5 days in HS recovery, and very few organisms will survive suspended animation for more than a few days without a finely tuned subsistence strategy to keep them alive. When we introduce positive bacteriophage we have to stimulate them constantly or they won’t survive even a few hours in HS. This is without considering the counteragents and neutralizers we use in the amniotic plasma.

Any behavioral issues you were seeing are psychological, not biological. Nothing survives HS unless we want it to.**

@lilac island

[lilac island]

okay

that aint even proof

[eternal talon]

In this state, the body is -
for all intents and purposes - dead, but no cell deterioration or
physical decay occurs. For the human in Hydrostasis, the heart, and
time, stops.

not biological. Nothing survives HS unless we want it to

[lilac island]

yes i can read

[eternal talon]

what more proof do you require?

what are you doubting

what exactly do you need to convince you

[lilac island]

1. people in logs sometimes are wrong about techy stuff, like biocom or HSU memory loss
2. VERY FEW microorganisms will survive for more than a few days, namv is clearly an exceptional virus and combined with the parasite lives indefinitely
3. We don't know if HSU permanantely kills the virus, or if it wakes up again after you get out

and because of all these reasons, i choose to believe that namv survives

plus the whole scheaffer voiceline that says "ah jeez s o m e h o w youve stayed clean"

frostty writing a 50 page meta analysis about the effects of HSUs on microorganisms

[fresh gyro]

Essay incoming

[eternal talon]

1. the log in question "Any behavioral issues you were seeing are psychological, not biological. Nothing survives HS unless we want it to." is an internal email to Angela Klein, these are the people that invented Hydrostasis.

2. read the rest of that sentence. without a finely tuned subsistence strategy to keep them alive.. Without intention, it will simply die in the plasma. We know the virus isnt immortal on its own, as it can only last for several weeks on surfaces. Hydrostasis isn't cryogenic, it is essentially an artificial womb (synthetic amniotic fluid) keeping the deceased host in suspension.

3. It being rendered dormant and it being killed are ultimately a meaningless difference in this comparison, as even in r8, the Hydrostasis units we bring back are contaminated externally.

4. That other team... they could be scientists or engineers from Project Insight. I don't know where they've been hiding to survive this long but... why are they using the VoGen Dispatch to communicate? I don't like it. We don't know who they are, or if they're infected. Somehow, you have all stayed clean... but that won't last if you start interacting with others. -- this is referring to the alt// team, not our original team, and this has several issues.

        4a) Schaeffer did not know of the existence of the alt// team prior to alt//r6, and only gained contact with them at the very end of said rundown, so would not know of their experiences beforehand. Schaeffer also had no physical contact with the alt// squad to verify his information, only what he himself had learned or what he was told by the warden, who, we still do not have confirmation (and likely never will at this point) it is not just trying to get rid of him. Following what we know about Hydrostasis and how it works, given his message was sent *at the very beginning of an expedition*, a cursory check on our status would indeed show no *major* signs, if any noticible, of infection --
   

[fresh gyro]

It's too late

[eternal talon]

-- given it would take time for the virus to once again either, as you said, fully become active again or for the host to be reinfected.

[lilac island]

i have portayed you as they soyjack and me as the chad, frostty

its over

1. Fair point
2. Yeah that's what i said too, a few diseases will survive at least for a few days. And we know namv can last forever already
3. yes
4. This is a whole other thing that requires both of us to agree that the warden is a big meenie head, something i too reject

[eternal talon]

2. nam-v cannot. The only difference is the virus does not mutate the parasites, rather it prolongs the life cycle of the parasite indefinitely. The relationship is symbiotic. The parasite carries the virus to new hosts, and the virus helps the parasite live for an extended (and currently unknown) period. Perhaps indefinitely. -- the virus is never made immortal by symbiosis, or on its own for that matter, it simply somehow makes the parasite and by extension it's meat puppet immortal. the virus just stirs and reproduces within the host to continue to propagate.

[lilac island]

ok

[royal crow]

things are heating up over here

🍿

[lilac island]

you are a bad person

and i hope you cant get comfy tonight in bed

[eternal talon]

4. we have very limited evidence on the motives of the warden, and what we do have, points both ways. which is why it is and has been ultimately been left as an "undetermined" status on the wiki and other lore infodump pages

[eternal talon]

its not really, at least imo.

[lilac island]

yeah we're just talking

[eternal talon]

why?

thats like the best part

[lilac island]

as punishment for assuming we are arguing

or at least are mad

[royal crow]

i hope your pc crashes every time you start a game

[eternal talon]

the only fighting we are doing is throwing a dictionary at eachother with cited sources.

[lilac island]

that's probably not even unlikely given my history

[royal crow]

ah

thats sad

[lilac island]

what if it just hitches a ride inside the immortal parasite and survives by proxy

like an engineer who keeps a rocket functional in space

and lives inside it

[fresh gyro]

Daaaaaaamn

[eternal talon]

that is what it does essentially. the virus isn't immortal, it just catches a ride inside the immortal parasite and host.

[lilac island]

yeah so can't it just do that inside an hsu

[eternal talon]

both are required to make anything immortal

as according to dauda's research

r7e1

[lilac island]

I pisse pant when people think that a conversation between two people has to have a winner an a loser

because of personal experiences with peepee poopoo individuals

[fresh gyro]

Real

[eternal talon]

well..... i'd say whoever makes a stronger case for their claims is the valid winner.

[royal crow]

i never meant yall were arguing
i meant its heating up the lore

[fresh gyro]

Pable peepeepoopoo confirmed

[lilac island]

yeah but you dont have to look at it like that

both people are trying to get closer to the truth

[eternal talon]

as the end goal is information

[eternal talon]

yes

its a game of truth

[lilac island]

ok soz

im sure you smell very nice and you have a great hairstyle

[royal crow]

i dont even have hair right now

lol

[lilac island]

not that part

[fresh gyro]

Very good insults and compliments

[eternal talon]

https://tenor.com/view/bald-vergil-smile-vergil-gif-27142542

[fresh gyro]

I give it a 2/4

[royal crow]

thats literally me right now

[fresh gyro]

So real

[lilac island]

thats still a style if you think about it

[fresh gyro]

Skinhead style

[eternal talon]

no!

[lilac island]

worst possible adjective i could imagine

[fresh gyro]

uwu

[royal crow]

[eternal talon]

SethEverman style

[lilac island]

i dont know why adding skin to something makes it so bad

[fresh gyro]

Isn't your pfp literally you

[lilac island]

"skinwalker"

[fresh gyro]

Forklift certified

[lilac island]

that's just an animal

[eternal talon]

because its attatched to neonazis

[fresh gyro]

Yes

[lilac island]

https://tenor.com/view/kurt-angle-thousand-yard-stare-stare-tiktok-wtf-gif-12206044702998985154

[eternal talon]

that one is actual native American myth though iirc

so its a bit different

[fresh gyro]

It is also

[lilac island]

fucking excuse me frostty

[fresh gyro]

Not just neonazi

[lilac island]

do i even wanna know

[eternal talon]

i meant in the case for "skinhead"

[fresh gyro]

No :3

[lilac island]

bruuuuh

wikipedia

ohkay then

[fresh gyro]

?

[lilac island]

wikipedia taught me

[fresh gyro]

Whatdya find

[lilac island]

the explaination

and a cookie under my desk

nom

[fresh gyro]

Hmmm

[fresh gyro]

Stealing cookies from the cookie jar smh

[eternal talon]

it has an entire section dedicated to "racism, anti-racism, and politics"

[lilac island]

favourite subject

[fresh gyro]

I wasn't referring to this part of skinhead

[eternal talon]

noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[fresh gyro]

Politics ew

[lilac island]

my heart rate totally didnt just go up to low 100s because of how uncomfortable i am

[eternal talon]

im just saying, thats why the term has super negative connotations

[fresh gyro]

Fair

[fresh gyro]

I'm sorry the whats

The

4 skins????

[tough wave]

Look away from GTFO lore for 35 seconds and the wiki article for that gets posted lmao

[eternal talon]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skinhead

[fresh gyro]

Praise god

[tough wave]

Yo sorry about that tank btw, did not know that thing spawned in that level

[fresh gyro]

Hmmm

It happens

[lilac island]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-cat-sunakook-tired-exhausted-gif-24687868

[fresh gyro]

Cate

[lilac island]

so whats the verdict on namv surviving inside the parasite in hsus

[fresh gyro]

It just do

[lilac island]

@eternal talon

[eternal talon]

What

I thought we did this alr

Parasites would not survive in hydrostasis, nothing except for the chosen host

Also, at that point you have sleepers in hydrostasis tubes

So why bother

[lilac island]

why would they not survive if they immortal

[eternal talon]

They are immortal in the way a lobster is immortal

You can still dump 556 into a sleeper and it'll die, right? Same with a lobster

They just don't age. Their bodies will just keep repairing themselves indefinitely

Unlike humans and most other species for example, where our cells eventually deteriate and we die of old age

[tough wave]

Immortal=/=invincible

[eternal talon]

Them not needing to eat and being able to hibernate for trillions of years... that's not scientifically possible irl, so who knows. There are some other things in Canon that are impossible irl too, like u23 in r7 growing from infant to adult in 6 seconds

So I can't give an answer in that regard, but I can say and you can probably say if you have a single level under your belt, that they aren't bulletproof

Hell technically speaking immortals aren't even bulletproof/immortal

They just have an obsurdly high health pool

Something like 9 billion? Million?, armored ta fuck

But if we had an anti-tank gun in the complex we could probably kill those too

[formal ember]

9,999,999hp, also 0.01 multi on armor && weakspot (even tho you cant hit weakspots)

[tough wave]

Alright warden, let's send in the Abrams

[eternal talon]

(For reference, fully charged sledgehammer deals ~20 damage)

[formal ember]

this would be 0.2 with multi

You would only need to hit the immortal 49,999,995 times!

[tough wave]

No sweat tbh

[cold sphinx]

I still didnt take much notice in voice logs in R8

Only 1 i got was R8A1

[minor marten]

Is there a in-lore reason for the ceiling in the initial main area of R8A1 being a somewhat mirrored version of the floor or is it just to look cool? Only noticed today when replaying the lvl and looking up.

[royal crow]

worldlines merging shenanigans

[clear furnace]

The GTFO lore has gone too deep

[formal ember]

What is happening in the lore 😭

[cold sphinx]

idk but

[coral gorge]

the lore has entered a diffrent stage

its no longer „maybe R8 will answer it”

now its „the deepest pit of hell might answer it”

these convos will be fun

[craggy widget]

You want a fun convo?

[wary portal]

Which prisoner would most likely be gay

[placid shore]

ALT schaeffer

[formal ember]

🍿

[next scroll]

maddox if you could consider him being a prisoner

[wary portal]

Nah henrikson for sure

Guy moaned like a little sissy girl when he got his control chip removed

[coral gorge]

madox got sticked tho

and also choked

[wary portal]

[clear shale]

The overuse of the Matter-Wave Projector ended up cramming a whole bunch of what is basically alternate timelines of the GTFO universe into the same space
Which blends them together

very messily in ways that don't entirely make sense, resulting in things like R8A1 and R8B2

So
Environment wise
The R8A1 rooms got mashed together with a few more copies of themselves from other timelines, and one of them is on the ceiling and contains probably dead prisoners

[plush nest]

R8a2 has the same thing

[clear shale]

precursor race lands on earth some million years ago, Fucking Dies™️, leaves behind ultra-lethal virus (potentially a bioweapon) and technology that can be used to teleport across time and space

bigass iridium mining operation that features some corporate sabotage on the part of some security contractors gets intercepted by the virus
then humanity as a whole gets intercepted by the virus

remainder of the precursor race wants to collect the sleeers for some reason, throws the warden corruptor at the AI overseeing complex operations with the goal of finding a dimension that does not contain NAM-V to evict mankind to so that our dimension is left with nothing but sleeers

unfortunately,
humanity is dumb and the overuse of the funny teleporters causes the world to physically combine, incredibly messily, with its own alternate timelines into the massive mess that is R8 - oh, and yay, there's two versions of the same quad in play as a result! one quad gets evicted as per the plan and the other is very dead

oh and it's very likely that the quad that got the fuck out is going to die horribly of NAM-V anyway so

[coral gorge]

i think they were asking abt wtf was the convo earlier

[clear shale]

PRECURSOR MAGIC :D

[cold sphinx]

Magik

[coral gorge]

also i think its the first time i see someone call the collectors a precursor alien race

not like its super wrong or smth just interesting it never really came up before

[clear shale]

They basically are lmfao

[coral gorge]

unless it did and im just dumb

[coral gorge]

in a sense i guess

[clear shale]

They even left us with tech that makes objects quantumly coherent by force
I love technology beyond mankind's understanding :D

Maybe the parasites are funny nanobots with matter wave tech to resupply on the go but why tf would the precursors supply the thing likely to kill them with such power

Even the explanations that make sense don't actually make sense

[eternal talon]

parasitidae is a genus of mites.

[clear shale]

Yeah

But these fuckers are very clearly doing something A bit Funny

inb4 all mites are aliens

That or the parasite isn't mites and humanity is just applying earth biological conventions to something that is not describable by such conventions

[eternal talon]

mites wouldn't need human-scale bridges
#gtfo-lore message

[tough wave]

Maybe they have a sense of grandeur and wanted a large bridge

[eternal talon]

like strahd?

[clear shale]

Lmao

[tough wave]

Exactly like Strahd, who are we to comprehend such beings

[clear shale]

The mites of Strahd

[clear shale]

I'm just saying though

These mite-like things that have variously been described as mites and fleas over the game world's history are most probably some other lifeform that just lived somewhere the collectors encountered and could be on any end of the tech scale at this point

This sounds like a wild-ass crack theory but... thermodynamic impossibilities

Gotta look to the improbable to explain the impossible

[eternal talon]

The progenitor of the relationship between the virus and the parasite is not clear, so I have been working under Dr. Dauda's theory that the virus happened upon the parasite at some point, found it to be an appropriate host, and evolved to manipulate the behavior of the parasite to ensure transmission.

[clear shale]

I mean first that's just a theory made by a (admittedly very smart) random guy, and second do we know even where and when the virus woulda found its parasite friend

[eternal talon]

we dont know where. we do know it was at least 7.5 trillion years ago

[lilac island]

dream reference