gtfo-lore

[royal crow]

i forgot how R8C1 ends

or you mean C2?

[cunning light]

Likely C2

[royal crow]

honestly
i felt bad for schaeffer

at the end of C2

[cunning light]

First completion hits very nicely

[burnt wren]

C2 yeah

I forgot it exists...

There's something about people screaming DON'T LEAVE ME ALONE that hits you no matter who they are

Hitler could scream that and i'd get sad all the same

[royal crow]

bro the way he screams is actually disturbing in some way

[burnt wren]

And the utterly based way the level just ends like that

[lilac island]

True

It immediately just leaves you with your thoughts

Nothing to distract

[lilac island]

You receive what you deserve

[royal crow]

he deserve it yes

but

its not entirely his fault

getting fucked by the HSU, living in a hell for a lot of time alone
obviously people will just explode at some point

[lilac island]

It's actually a miracle Sheaffer survived for that long without hsu

And i mean what he's doing is moral in a way

He wants everyone to die

Instead of suffering

Probably out of hatred but still

[celest pagoda]

honestly i dislike the direction they took him. His turn from just crazy to malicious felt so jarring, and then of course Henrikson was killed off with only but a passing mention of his death

[burnt wren]

To me it seems he's just trying to prove that he got any agency left at all

[lilac island]

Henrikson dying off screen is such a crime it hurts

Single handedly hacks warden

Without access to any resources ever

[burnt wren]

His quest was always about freedom... Just ability to make his own calls, cause his own chaos.

[royal crow]

an alien inteligence looses to a windows 7 computer virus
imagine

[fading heath]

i can host r8e1!!!!!

guh

schaeffer

[placid shore]

perhaps tryna backstab the prisoners wasnt a good idea 🤷‍♂️

[lilac island]

Scheaffer and his metal pipe are actually unbeatable

He kills 3 people with that fucking pipe dude

[fading heath]

is warden bad

[royal crow]

i totally didnt forgot about Maddox

[fading heath]

i have asked this

[royal crow]

we dont know

[fading heath]

many times

[royal crow]

we DONT know

[lilac island]

WARDEN IS NOT BAD

[fading heath]

we should use orbital weapons to take him down

[lilac island]

THESE ARE LIES

And SLANDERS

[royal crow]

tbf
we dont know

[fading heath]

we need a warden speechbubble for this dude

[royal crow]

but he helped us getting out soooooo

[fading heath]

whats warden

a bot

[celest pagoda]

You know whats the most criminal? We nevergot to see the fossil

[royal crow]

an alien inteligence

[lilac island]

Alien comptuter virus that's very smart

[royal crow]

"smart"

[fading heath]

how can you hack an alien

[celest pagoda]

litteraly the single most important area of lore significance in the game and its never shown to us

[placid shore]

while infecting the only safe place left
thanks warden

[royal crow]

henrikson is OP

thats how

[fading heath]

dude they are made out of flesh

jut how

[lilac island]

Which one

[royal crow]

😭

[celest pagoda]

The ship, also known as the fossil

[fading heath]

pablo

[lilac island]

The warden isn't a fleshy alien it's a pc program

[fading heath]

can you help me do some missions

[royal crow]

R8E1?

[fading heath]

who made him

[fading heath]

r8b2

[lilac island]

Dunno

[royal crow]

the collectors

[fading heath]

bussfight

[royal crow]

i think

probably the collectors

[fading heath]

who are the collectors

us?

what

[royal crow]

the aliens

[lilac island]

Aliens

[royal crow]

who crashed into earth

that brough the virus with them

[fading heath]

they suck

[lilac island]

Drunk driving smh

[fading heath]

literally

[lilac island]

Idiots

[fading heath]

fr

spaceweed

[celest pagoda]

imagine a striker drunk at the hweel

[fading heath]

i drive

[royal crow]

let me drive

[lilac island]

Sir do you know why i pulle-OH GOD

[fading heath]

https://tenor.com/view/gtfo-hop-on-gaming-bug-glitch-gif-26288681

[royal crow]

crashes into a planet

[fading heath]

ryan gosling

if he was actually good

[lilac island]

This edible aint shit

20 minutes later

[fading heath]

i need drip pls do r8b2 and r8c1 with me

[placid shore]

queues nightcall by kavinsky

[royal crow]

R8B2 maybe
R8C1 fuck no

[celest pagoda]

i bring up this image once more

[royal crow]

ALIEN LORE

LOREEEEEEEEEEEEE

[fading heath]

ahaha stupid warden
Im now FORKLIFT CERTIFIED

[placid shore]

its joever, bro's a certified forklift operator

[royal crow]

he is about to run over the prisioners

thats it

GGs

he is too powerful

[lilac island]

Henrikson should habe died on screen or at least did something

Like he was alive for half a rundown

[fading heath]

YOU ARE TOO LATE SONIC

[lilac island]

He hacked the warden without access to any information

[fading heath]

I AM NOW\ FORKLIFT CERTIFIED

AHAHAHHA

[lilac island]

And then he gets metal piped

Fuckin

[royal crow]

he should have hacked the pipe

smh

[lilac island]

It's not fair

[fading heath]

lez go bosfight pablo

[royal crow]

man

i was expecting another choking ASMR

Henri vs Schaeffer

[lilac island]

Henrikson should have hit him in the head or something and that turned him insane

And then he dies

[royal crow]

oh? we discovered part of the plot

good

now everything makes sense

[lilac island]

Brain trauma

[fading heath]

pablo >w<

[royal crow]

UwU

[fading heath]

im just gonna mm

and do r7d2 with these guys

[celest pagoda]

i swear r8 feels like a diversion from some original lore path before the game was put on the backburner

[placid shore]

do r8e1 with bots

[fading heath]

snatcher gaming

[placid shore]

could have been better for sure

[celest pagoda]

i just wish we got answers to alot of smaller things and u know

[lilac island]

I wish we went deeper and saw some wild shit

[celest pagoda]

it wasnt a b a d ending per say tbh

[placid shore]

r8.5 hopefully 🙏

[lilac island]

Canonically mineshafts exist 4000 meters down

[celest pagoda]

the universe collapsing in on itself is a good plotline for a finale tbh

and the alt tteam being left to die is one hell of a twist and it works GOOD

and the way its revelaed that it was the OG TEAM who left them is a fun realization

[fading heath]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1095881743006978178/1095885371113476166/Screenshot_20221210-205023_Discord.jpg?ex=65a880c9&is=65960bc9&hm=8ed185bc81a74ec5848c5800783623b41a87b0184cc49ffe99358afa7a76a161&

lore related btw

[celest pagoda]

my new app flying pablo on the appstore

[fading heath]

tanks are just infected gorillas

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cats-cat-meme-meme-meme-cat-gif-14470917232397934693

[lilac island]

No

Tanks are stupid

[placid shore]

i first thought the "other" team were some other KSOs who we havent seen and schaeffer betrayed us until i realized we betrayed ourselves

[celest pagoda]

its a good twist!

honestly in a away i feel the alt teams ending is better story wise. The OG team are evidently infected, and while free their tine is limited, spending it as free men regardless. Alt teams abandonment comes as such a shock, and their final showdown where they come together as brothers one last time to face death together is one hell of an ending for them.

[lilac island]

EVIDENTLY

both are infected if we consider how easily namv gets transmitted

alt team just has plot armor for some unexplained reason

quite a good ending tho yes

i can't tell if "warden defense systems disabled" is the warden no longer helping them or if it "dies"

also what does that even mean

the entirety of GTFO was futile

[coral gorge]

wdym

what defenses

[lilac island]

end of e1

[coral gorge]

It says „KDS deep defenses”

unless you mean smth else

[lilac island]

no no at the end of r8e1 you can a messege before the extreme hoard starts that says "WARDEN DEFENSES DISABLED"

[coral gorge]

Ah

didnt notice it

[royal crow]

because we died before it

[lilac island]

and THEN everything goes to shit

[coral gorge]

seems like the warden might actually self terminate

[coral gorge]

LOL

[royal crow]

in our run

[royal crow]

we also missed the massive tank scream

LOL

[lilac island]

somehow the warden was using power/resources to reduce the amount of sleepos

[coral gorge]

*** s k i l l ***

pure skill

[royal crow]

yeah i noticed that too

maybe he was actually helping us

[lilac island]

HE WAS

[royal crow]

then gave up since there wasnt any other reason for

[lilac island]

you are all heretics

warden was helping

[royal crow]

he was only using us for OG team to escape

thats why the "resources expended"

[lilac island]

no

[coral gorge]

i mean makes sense, smth as easy as keeping doors closed and such

[lilac island]

OG team decided to fuck alt team over

the plan was to escape alt team

that's the briefing

[royal crow]

oh wait yeah

since they had the warden on their side

[coral gorge]

I think the warden did not expect og to leave ALT behind

[lilac island]

and then the warden realizes "this is pointless" and cuts support, and that's why we get the resources expended

[royal crow]

oh damn then tat makes the R8E1 ending more impactful
the warden doing his best to help us but he realises we are dead anyways

[coral gorge]

and the „res expended” means that ALT team literally cannot be saved now

[lilac island]

yes

it's the warden internally cataloging what was lost in that expedition

[royal crow]

but yeah @coral gorge
after the message of "warden defenses disable" a big sleeper scream happens

but we had big skill issue

💀

[lilac island]

you get a few waves of normals and then that message pops up

and you hear every scream in the game along with a deep mechanical growl

and then the tanks and nightmares start rolling in

[royal crow]

maybe the warden died? idk

[lilac island]

but then it wouldn't be able to catalogue that we died

and make that final report

i still don't understand what scheaffers plan with the meltdown was

[royal crow]

maybe it was in an important part of the facility?

that could cause a chain reaction

and destroy a big part of it

[lilac island]

it does say "main quardant reactor"

whenever the robo voice comes over the comms

[royal crow]

also, isnt that part near KDS deep?

which is an important place in Garganta

[lilac island]

probably since OG team goes there by foot canonically

yes

[eternal talon]

we didn't. henrikkson hacked into biocom.

[fading heath]

and used biocom to hack warden?

[eternal talon]

https://tenor.com/view/forklift-spinning-funny-gif-18559129

[royal crow]

the biocom is the way the warden used to give us orders

by hacking into it they now can give us orders

if i understand correctly

[lilac island]

biocom is unhackable

[royal crow]

https://tenor.com/view/shirakami-fubuki-hololive-holo-live-holo-jp-gif-9768049726135386948

[lilac island]

one engineer:

[fading heath]

we love pablo

[lilac island]

like seriously how did henrikson hack it

[eternal talon]

nah, they are/were human.

[royal crow]

"with the power of faith and a USB stick you are now mine"

[fading heath]

dont ruin the fun

[royal crow]

[fading heath]

let the missinformation be spred

but it was a joke though

hmm

[eternal talon]

i mean ngl that certainly sounds more satisfying than slowly dying in bed sick.
going down swinging.

[eternal talon]

whelp, alt+f4, time to start again on a new worldline

[fading heath]

wears a cool jacket
this sure will protect me from infection!

[lilac island]

unrelated:
I like this intercepted comms a lot.
I am imagining Woods screaming this at the rest of the team with just pure determination is his lungs

[fading heath]

is woods the leader

[eternal talon]

i still dont really belive that. no truss.

[lilac island]

i am unsure if we have a leader exactly but woods was a hardened soldier

he is probably the best KSO

dauda the worst

[eternal talon]

sleepers havent been shown to target terminals and such, as pretty much all tech in the complex remains intact

[royal crow]

well then

he left us to die at the end of R8E1

sadge

[fading heath]

schaeffer is schizophrenic

he has weird kinks

[royal crow]

´prisioner kinks

[eternal talon]

biocom controls the ksos. (us).

warden hacked into biocom, so it could control us the entire game.
henrikkson hacked into biocom to interfere with what the warden was doing.

two puppeteers controlling the same set of strings.

[fading heath]

i want him dead

[lilac island]

https://youtu.be/nWMi82XBepc?t=144 same vibes

[eternal talon]

so they say, but they probably didnt account for interdimensional god aliens

[lilac island]

or one (1) engineer with severe memory loss and no access to any manuals or the internet

[eternal talon]

memory stick go brr.
who knows.

[eternal talon]

which level is this from?

[lilac island]

r8e1 of course

[eternal talon]

because not all of the interrupted transmissions are from our squad

[lilac island]

the epic level

[eternal talon]

most are from other random squads

[eternal talon]

no, that would be bishop.
woods is class F.

(faulty), basically the odd man out

(even though dauda literally isnt a kso)

thats just how they are classified ig

[lilac island]

bishop is the leader?

[eternal talon]

GOTFO

[lilac island]

that's some bullshit

woods is the leader

[eternal talon]

according to their KSO designations

he is a genesis operative

[lilac island]

woods is better

[eternal talon]

which establish themselves as squad leaders almost immediately

according to kovac research

[lilac island]

kovac messed up

woods or hackett are the leaders

probably woods because he was that religious conviction is his veins

he is the only guy who has a why to all this torture

any semblance of purpose

[eternal talon]

ahem

** BISHOP, FRANK GO-1395
A lifetime ago, Frank Bishop made a losing bet. He’d robbed, kidnapped, and trafficked in a bid for fortune and power.
This time, it was blackmail, but things didn’t go to plan. His target turned the tables, condemning him to years of brutal captivity.
The torture and deprivation he endured ended with Bishop suffering an even worse fate: Hydrostasis.
Now, unable to remember the man who destroyed him, he’s left with only the rage and mistrust that sustained his tragic existence.

HACKETT, AIDEN O-4711

The first person to admit Hackett isn’t cut out for this world is Hackett. Even as a child, his feral mind was a deadly force.
When he joined the military, discipline loosened the grip of his dark impulses, but nature always finds a way.
Inevitably, Hackett’s instinctive cruelty was unleashed on a peacekeeping mission that couldn’t have gone more wrong.
Clear-eyed about his actions, Hackett knew that redemption would cost him life as he knew it.

WOODS, ISAIAH F-2056

Isaiah Woods was a religious man of honor and courage who saw too much.
The brutality of combat changed him from a spiritual man to a ticking time bomb.
When his fuse finally burned down, he went on a rampage and justified it as divine retribution for the evils he saw around him.
Even now, with no memory of the carnage he wrought, he feels the presence of God flowing through him. Some fires burn too deep to smother.

DAUDA, ABEO T-3701

A brilliant young mind. A groundbreaking researcher. A pillar of the scientific community.
Nigerian-born psychopharmacologist Abeo Dauda was all of those things before his obsessive ambition broke his moral compass.
Dauda’s blindness to the human cost of his experiments made him indispensable to unscrupulous drug companies.
As long as they stayed out of his way, he didn’t question them.
By the time he realized the depravity of the people he worked for, it was too late.**

^official 10cc descriptions from og worldline

they were this close

and they fucked it up

gotfo

or in order, gooft.

[lilac island]

ok but where does it say that

bishop is leader

https://tenor.com/view/jkjkjkjk-gif-3551487

[eternal talon]

Bishop
I- I don't want... N-no...
KSO Supervisor
You should be proud; you are one of the Genesis Generation. Very special indeed.

KSO Supervisor
And we are... recording. Evaluation of Genesis-1395. Bishop. Incubation period has been... 12 months.

With regards to the psychological matching of our operatives, we have found that each designation has a tendency to take a specific role within the quad. Genesis often establish themselves as leaders within a few minutes, as is to be expected with the increased 5-HT receptors. The designations do allow for flexibility of course. We have several quads where operatives marked as Faulty have assumed a leadership role, making me question our classification criteria.

[lilac island]

NO

WOODS IS HIM

aaaaaaaaa

[burnt wren]

Its been one of the plot holes for a while

Desgination wise Bishop should be leader, but pure psychology wise its clearly Woods

But i think in either ALT 6 or even 8 there's been a log that pretty much directly says that designations are horsesh*t and operatives often switch roles depending on who got the better charisma.

Specifically some guy is complaining that designations often don't make sense or lose their meaning, so they need better evaluation.

Oh perfect, that's the last one Frost posted

[placid shore]

u cant tell me woods isnt the leader

everything bout him screams leadership

[coral gorge]

I mean the log literally says Faulty class operatives sometimes become leaders so clearly thats the case in our squad(s)

[lilac island]

woods aint faulty

[coral gorge]

he is

his class is F

[lilac island]

bullpoop

it's cause he's religious isnt it

if woods is f wth is dauda

[cold sphinx]

That is what i would say too elbow

[lilac island]

that man's not even trained he's just a guy

[cold sphinx]

A man that fears god vs a man that doesnt but does alot of shit in the name of god

[eternal talon]

it literally says it above...

[lilac island]

νο ι μενα

ιτ μακεσ νο σενσε

οκ

λιστεν το με

[eternal talon]

^

i...

[lilac island]

ΝΟ φρθστυ

[eternal talon]

what language is that

i dont speak enchanting table

[lilac island]

ΙΤ ΔΟΕΣΝΤ ΜΑΚΕ ΣΕΝΣΕ

[eternal talon]

okay that is the greek letter delta

[burnt wren]

Yes, and its fine

[eternal talon]

what the fuck is going on

[burnt wren]

"We have several quads where operatives marked as Faulty have assumed a leadership role, making me question our classification criteria."

[lilac island]

dauda is not trained

[burnt wren]

Even the game agreed that classifications are bullshit

[lilac island]

woods was a trained soldier and went through kso training

[burnt wren]

Wood's the leader, convo over.

[lilac island]

why is woods f

who has all the experience

and dauda isn't who is just a guy

[burnt wren]

"faulty" not "failed"

He's faulty because his old self keeps breaking through

We got plenty of logs about that

[lilac island]

that was greek

[eternal talon]

faulty can mean two things:

1. infected, aka FRESH MEAT AND ORGAN DONORS
2. not all memories got wiped and they are a bit psycho / dont trust them to obey commands

[lilac island]

btw

it's very sad that we don't see the bottom of the hole

[eternal talon]

i agree

[lilac island]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-cry-reading-pepe-the-frog-sad-gif-17607942

[eternal talon]

no big ship

is the big sad

[lilac island]

you give us a hole and then u don't let us go down

that's not right

[eternal talon]

https://tenor.com/view/cave-dive-darkness-leap-gif-5803442

[drowsy roost]

It's just Santonian doing myers briggs on their mind-controlled mercenaries. They could've been house hufflepuff for all it matters in the game.

@eternal talon , you've been around these parts a while, any other inconsistencies/plot holes you can think of? Thinking of adding a list to the wiki to wrap it all up?

You mentioned Schaeff being out on expeditions as a KSO whilst also being part of KDS Deep that couldn't be reached

[burnt wren]

Sus?

<@&408548765599793173> ?

[cold sphinx]

what happended?

btw E2 now?

[cunning light]

A couple spammers

[burnt wren]

Hm, i dont know. How long is it again?

its 2:AM, sleepy time

[clear shale]

we have determined that sleepers are only aware of trigonometry but not algebra

[fresh gyro]

what

[mental osprey]

(i was present for and was even the one that said it but I have no idea)

[fading heath]

Guh

[eternal talon]

Schaeffer discrepancy: him breaking free in r4 but being stuck in kds-deep until r5e1

How has he not died from the infection given how long he has been around?

Thee are literally tons and tons of examples, but I would never remember them off the top of my head. They mostly just come up as a "huh, that's weird" during casual conversation

.
Biocom being "unhackable" but hacked by henrikkson

.
Also on the wiki
Why do dead sleepers dissolve?
It is not known, but the fact they dissolve is considered canon — It is assumed to be a unique characteristic of the parasite and virus symbiosis.

Only the red ones do canonically, the ones we fight during alarm waves and on blood doors that stay awake and roam around the facility. The common ones -- the white ones, they don't disintegrate as seen by the many corpses of them around the facility

It's that one specific subspecies or whatever. I forget

.
What happened with the earthquake?
This article is a stub. You can help GTFO Wiki by expanding it.

So I'm just going to assume you mean the one that led to the creation of garganta...

Basically, it happened, was a huge catastrophe. Loads of people dead. Red cross move in, start setting up medical camps to help the injured. Local government or whatever implore santonian to come and help and they figure, hey, why not? So they go there and it's really really REALLY bad. All of the red cross people and most of the survivors have been "mutated" (that's another plot hole. If they were killed by nam-v, why didn't it go global at this time?) Anyway, santonian were like "oh shit.... boss..." and called Dreyfus for imput. They said "fuck that, burn the bodies, no witnesses"). So santonian do that in a show that would put burning man to shame. After that, they begin surveying the area because might as well because they were already here and saw what they thought was trillions of dollars worth of iridium. Cha-ching! But we all know how that song and dance goes.

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Who was "The Warden?"
This article is a stub. You can help GTFO Wiki by expanding it.

The Warden is either a physical or digital consciousness created by the collectors that went on to take over the biocom system for an unknown purpose. There are several theories on its true goals and motives, but ultimately after the success that was schaeffer's rebellion in Rundown 7, it mostly played a passive role in the story, with the alt//worldline version of it giving their schaeffer a way out of the complex with the promise of a clean dimension and leaving them to mostly figure it out themselves on how to accomplish that task.

Was there human testing?
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Yes.

Dauda was a very evil mo'******

[eternal talon]

@drowsy roost
What caused the large tunnels cutting through Garganta / What was the cause of the blast?
This article is a stub. You can help GTFO Wiki by expanding it.

The results suggest this was a weapon. Whether it was aimed at us or the creatures is not clear, but it did turn the tide in our favor.
just link to this log lol
21B-789-RD4.LOG

[lilac island]

How do the sleepers know it's us

[cold sphinx]

echo location lul

[clear shale]

our vibes are off

[chilly prairie]

holy shit wait actually this wouldve been huge

i reallt wish that was actually the case now DAMNIT

[chilly prairie]

is it possible that project insight is related to The Collectors?

[chilly prairie]

im also starting to believe that the original Schaeffer knows about the Warden and the Collectors

the only explanation i really have right now tho is that he found out who the Warden are and went crazy over it or something

maybe the warden influenced original schaeffer to go deeper so he can reach the inner

maybe

i also think its not impossible that the warden influenced garganta to build certain things so it can later gain control over the complex

like KDS-Deep for example

because it seems that Schaeffer was influenced by the warden when he was in hydrostasis

he even says "dont sleep, thats when you lose your mind"

[chilly prairie]

yeah the original Schaeffer even says "There is a plan, maybe the warden knows"

schaeffer also kinda leaked all of the alt rundowns in an audio log in original r6

[chilly prairie]

now listening to r6 schaeffer logs and sounds like he just trying to remember that he wanted to get to kds deep

"Are you a prisoner? No, I am not confined or restrained, I am but in the prime of my liberty. Yes, we are not so different, you and I." -Conduit

i think this also speaks what The Collectors we see mentioned a lot in GTFO are

i remember reading somewhere that theyre "exiled" or something

maybe they are also trying to liberate themselves from the other collectors

it also seems to try describe what the collectors are to humans at the end of the same log

[eternal talon]

No.

[eternal talon]

The Warden, yes. The collectors, probably not. KOVAC kept that secret tight.

[eternal talon]

OG schaeffer broke free from the warden before he sent that message, and ever since has been completely free from its influence

[eternal talon]

It is when you consider the blueprints were drawn up by Santonian and approved by Dreyfus before they even began digging the hole

[eternal talon]

That was approved shortly after they began digging, but again long before encountering any artifacts or anything remotely alien.

[eternal talon]

Not possible. While in hydrostasis, the host is dead, and even if that wasn't how hydrostasis works, stays wipe your memory so it would have no effect.

[eternal talon]

I don't recall reading this. I would appreciate if you linked it here.

[chilly prairie]

yeah let me grab it

[eternal talon]

Correct.

[chilly prairie]

Why do you do what you do? Do you know? There is a plan. The Warden knows, if it is the Warden. Maybe he’s being one thing and now it’s another. Do we know what we were before? We could read files, mere words about… “is that us”? Or someone that died with their memory? I’ve… I’ve started dreaming again. Things that the Warden doesn’t want me to see. Memories. At least, I think they’re my memories or someone put them there, maybe I put them there to remind myself. I… I am someone else. I’m with people like me but we’re good. I am one of them, I am Schaeffer. There’s… there’s laughter… Then I’m choking. Sinking. It’s water; I’m drowning, deeper into the abyss. And then… and then… alone. In the black. And there are monsters. I have a thought: What if… what if the Warden is not the enemy? “You’ve lost your minds, madness, what do you mean Schaeffer?” What if telling me “we need to have patience and work together”, is the Warden telling me those things. Is… is my program to break my program? Is yours to follow the program? What if the Warden is a prisoner?! With memories and wait, what is “out”? Outside? What if there is nothing outside and this is everything? Have I… have I said this before? Do you remember? Have I always been here saying this? Did I… die here? Do we really die or wake up in a nightmare again? What… what if you are the Warden? Oh… no no no… I have to go - R6D1

[chilly prairie]

the memories hes talking about "being somebody else"

he means he sees himself therefore he cannot be himself

"im with people like me" referring to either alt schaeffer or the quad

he drowns

then: "And then… and then… alone. In the black. And there are monsters."

up until then this has been the events of R8D2 and schaeffers death in the coolant tanks

[chilly prairie]

im not sure what this means but i think it could be what lays in the canon afterlife of gtfo but i doubt it since gtfo has nothing to do with supernatural like that

maybe the monsters are the collectors idk

"I have a thought: What if… what if the Warden is not the enemy? “You’ve lost your minds, madness, what do you mean Schaeffer?” this refers to alt schaeffer

also Mind**s**

probably the another hint its another schaeffer

since he seems to be talking to himself in the third person

[chilly prairie]

"What if the Warden is a prisoner?!" i think this might refer to the collectors we know being exiled

"What… what if you are the Warden?" i like to believe that this basically confirms my own theory since r2 that we play as the warden

because based on the intro of gtfo and the hud we are given, we seem to view the quad from an outside perspective

its the only explanation i have for the weirdly specific use of UI

i wanna hear outside opinions

[chilly prairie]

sorry heres the actual link lol https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/Rundown_6.0_Logs#Schaeffer_Audio

damn im blind, the name collector comes from the rundown selection screen

i was wondering where that name came from

i always read it as controller

it also explains why the warden rewards the prisoners with boosters when retrieving warden artifacts

they want their shit back

damn thats crazy to think about, the boosters and their effects might be canon

bc it makes sense to show their technological prowess

[coral gorge]

i mean they are literally drugs

that increase your combat abilities

[clear shale]

Glowstick power

[coral gorge]

Yes =)

dont question how meth works

[lost drum]

I remember in the logs there was even an explanation as to why some boosters only work when there is someone around

[lyric egret]

Yo what crime did hackett commit again?

[harsh saffron]

Shot a bunch of civilians

[lyric egret]

I think he was the one that killed a shit ton of people and then volunteered for the program but im not sure

[harsh saffron]

yup thats the one

[lyric egret]

Ight thanks

[eternal talon]

He killed an entire town solo

[burnt wren]

War crimes, mostly.

Technically was never charged with it. He followed orders, as a mercenary does. He's here out of his own accord after realising that he didn't feel anything and coming to a conclusion that it ain't right.

Again: we're not actually prisoners, its a monicker Warden made for us.

The only one who was technically charged with anything was Woods.

[eternal talon]

Technically bishop should have been charged, but he was just swept under the rug

[lyric egret]

And bishop legally doesnt exist

[eternal talon]

And dauda as should have lost his medical license a million times over

[lilac island]

..anymore

[lyric egret]

And woods is...

Woods is woods

Even the hydrostasis couldnt take away his faith

[placid shore]

god is eternal

[clear shale]

"you cannot kill me, brother" is one of my favourite damn lines from this game

[lilac island]

even if im a reddit athiest

woods is ballin

the confidence of this man

[next scroll]

Idk but out of all the 4 characters that we play as i feel like Woods is the most "Religion is my defence in any argument" type of guy

[burnt wren]

Weird that you all say that, since it barely comes in through gameplay

He never makes any religious remarks during the game.

Same criticism goes for all characters.

Hackett is carried by accent and witty word choices.

[eternal talon]

@drowsy roost
Were the sleepers human?
Some of the sleepers were found with "traces of human DNA," which Dr. Stokes believe had indicated that these were former Garganta staff.[6] Such sleepers would not disintegrate when killed, unlike most other sleepers within the complex.

This is inaccurate, given what I posted the other day.

It's dependant on subspecies, as shown by the white variants that don't, and the red that do.

#gtfo-lore message

That, and bar skin texture and color, they look identical and clearly originated from humans

[tough wave]

So, what's up with the baby thing I've been carrying around

[fresh gyro]

its a bebe

you realive it

[tough wave]

And I am doing that why?

[eternal talon]

It is very confusing but

Gameplay: they all do for performance reasons

Lore: only certain subspecies do, as we have seen tons of white corpses but no other variant leave a corpse behind when killed

[eternal talon]

To put it simply, the warden is using you to create units/conduits for it to speak through.

[fresh gyro]

so real

[eternal talon]

It is doing this by modifying and repurposing / continuing what was left of the RISE project after garganta collapsed

[tough wave]

GTFO is actually a game about the psychological horrors of Fatherhood, I've decided.

[eternal talon]

As to what the RISE program was, please see the "for dummies" document in the pins of this channel, as it has a section dedicated specifically to that fact

[tough wave]

This only brings more questions I'm ngl

I'll go browse the FAQ, ty

[eternal talon]

It is not.

Simply aliens doing alien things.

[eternal talon]

Faq is still being updated and I can't guarantee it's validity as I've already pointed out several errors in it over the past few days

[tough wave]

I take it you're The Lore Guy then?

[fresh gyro]

:P

[eternal talon]

Gal, but yes. I've been here longer than pretty much everyone else at this point.
From ogr1 half a decade ago

[fresh gyro]

frostty? lore? never

[tough wave]

I take it you're The Lore Gal then?

[eternal talon]

(Does not mean I'm infallible mind you, but I can point you in the right direction)

[fresh gyro]

frosty spreading misinfo confirmed

[tough wave]

I can't remember when I picked up GTFO tbh, only finally got into it when it actually released cause the original friend group that wanted to play it fell apart

[eternal talon]

Rise was simply designed to be a replacement for us (kso) because it was getting costly and inefficient for Kovac to keep kidnapping prisoners from US prisons.

Rise takes existing genetic material "seeds" (skum, eggs, etc) and rapidly develops it into adult bodied child soldiers.

[tough wave]

I feel like it wouldn't be that insane to get prisoners shipped direct to you with how the US prison system works, but that's an entirely different topic

[eternal talon]

This program was never finished however, as everyone died.
The units/conduits are simply the warden continuing where rise left off

[tough wave]

I see, and the baby is one of those, and I just keep doing what the funny machine tells me because realistically I don't have many other options

[eternal talon]

I suppose, but given the nature of kidnappings, it wasn't voluntary, and even so KOVAC was in international hot water so to say after the red alpha disaster

[eternal talon]

One of many. In gameplay, we have worked with a total of 3 neonates.

One in r2/r3 that we don't know the designation of, u22 in ogr6 as an adult, and u23 where we replace u22 after schaeffer bashed it's bloody brains in with a pipe

[tough wave]

For context I've only just gotten to R4

I've been doing everything in order so far

[lilac island]

such a waste of time

god damn

[eternal talon]

I agree

[lilac island]

we spend like 3/4 rundowns

just gathering babies

[eternal talon]

Well if you are interested in learning the basics of the lore, I'd still recommend reading the "for dummies" document. It covers all pre-apocalypse lore in depth and only gives brief summaries of post-apocalpyse lore as so not to spoil too bad

[tough wave]

I'll give it a shot, I'm only barely literate tho so yk

[eternal talon]

Well given our conversation thus far I'd say you are doing a good enough in english

But if you have any questions I will always be here to (eventually) answer

[tough wave]

I appreciate it, I'm sure I'll be back as I go through rundowns and go "wtf was that?"

[eternal talon]

I feel I should also mention on the topic of efficiency that it takes an average of two years to turn someone into a KSO, during which time they are basically dead in hydrostasis so can't do anything to recoup costs.

Units under rise would have only taken weeks.

[tough wave]

Someone kinda summed up the entire thing we're doing to me as "a shitty super soldier program"

[eternal talon]

And by whatever the fuck warden did with it (as per r7d1), he got it down to SECONDS. (Which yes, as confirmed by our local biologist, is literally impossible but video game logic)

[tough wave]

I mean, I'm sure there's a lot of this game that runs off video game logic

It is a game after all

[eternal talon]

A surprising lot of it is based off of real science. (Granted most of that is wrong science, but science nonetheless)

[tough wave]

I'll give em props for the gun designs tho

The height over bore for sights makes sense since we're all in gas masks

[placid shore]

Do we know what it ended up doing or nope

[eternal talon]

We don't know

[placid shore]

That will itch the back of my brain for a while then 🥲

[eternal talon]

Got dropped like everything else for a year when the alt// rundowns started to come out one by one

And it never resurfaced again in r8 with the return of the OG cast

[placid shore]

Gon just Dream about it doing something and hope it'll stop the itch

[past matrix]

tbh

the warden was probably trying to make a new body for itself

then that went to shit when it "died" in d2

[placid shore]

That's what I originally thought will happen in r8 with the warden and have to fight him with the legion we made with Shaeffer

[past matrix]

that would be dope

[chilly prairie]

the collectors have been in exile for about 63.4 million years

[coral gorge]

<@&408548765599793173>

[eternal talon]

What is going on here lol
Like day 2 of logging in and seeing a moderator plug

[coral gorge]

a scam link

nothing major

[eternal talon]

What the fuck is someone trying to scam with in gtfo-lore? A thesaurus?

[coral gorge]

lol

it was in every channel

but yeah, scamming in here is defo not the most efficient strat

[burnt wren]

Its just standard thing of spamming same message in every possible chat to maximise people who will see it and maybe just 1 falls for it - and that's all they need

[burnt wren]

Huh. Never noticed this on R8A1.
Only Hacketts and Woods... I think... I think its guys from R6CX mission. Why are they here? Did warden sent them alone? Or did they joined up with someone else?

Side note: their colour scheme is not avaialble to us, which SUCKS. I like it a lot. Light blue with with whites and yellows is a great combo.

Also what the fuck is this...
Who the fuck works here? Just imagine sitting here.

Don't let AI design your office space, kids.

[royal crow]

i dont think its the guys from R6CX since you can find another dead woods on B2

[burnt wren]

R6CX only had dead Dauda and Bishop. Woods and Hackett are missing.
Now i found them here, so i'm certain its the same ones. They even have the same colour pallete.

R8B2 has the whole squad in there.

[royal crow]

the whole squad?

[burnt wren]

So there are 2 whole other squads that just died.

Yeah. All 4 are there, in the room.

[royal crow]

holy shit im blind then

[burnt wren]

I made the same mistake. I thought i only found some of them until someone pointed me to the rest of the bodies.

Woods is like laying in a corner against a table, he's hard to spot.

#gtfo-lore message
Alright, so... Trying to figure out this colour palette.
Santonian Vestis is clearly the inspiration for the yellow highlights. Hell, its pretty much exactly the same yellow. It also has whites, just like Vestis, but... They are reversed. For Vestis - the sleeves are black instead of white.
And then there's the blue...
Its like... A cyan or something. Do we even have a cyan palette like this?...
...
The closest one is Caerulus Grind, but its not quite right. Its too bright and not blue enough.

So yeah. This colour pallete does not exist, except for Santonian Vestis yellow highlights.

Would love to have this.

BTW both Schaeffers in R8D2 run exactly the same palette too.

[placid shore]

yes

[eternal talon]

Ogr6 destination palette is light blue and orange iirc

I don't know of any cyan

[burnt wren]

Nightwatch blue with orange highlights.

[placid shore]

those are some depressing colors

[burnt wren]

Caerulus is the most cyan-like, but its a bit TOO bright. Its pretty much white with slight hint of blue.
And poison is just straight up blue.

[placid shore]

try longsword

might be it

[eternal talon]

Inb4 it's a pre-order bonus of their next game

[placid shore]

screw artek in particular 🫢

[burnt wren]

Close, but still more just generic blue than cyan.

[eternal talon]

Oh I know that

Isn't that arctic/chill or whatever

Just with added accents and less mud

[burnt wren]

No, that's Longsword.
Arctic Endurance is blue-ish black with dark blue highlights.

[eternal talon]

I could swear the blue on it was very light

Almost desaturated

Wasn't dark at all

Just a faded mid or baby blue

Maybe I'm just thinking of something else

Idk

[burnt wren]

Washed out black with ice green and dark blue highlights.

My favorite type of blue, btw, and its only found on one palette as a barely present highlight.

[drowsy roost]

Got you covered; https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Apparel_Palette_Colors

[burnt wren]

dafaq is Azul Tinto and how comes i don't have it....

Huh, it's not mentioned on Apparel page. Is it some sort of event exclusive?

[eternal talon]

Iirc I have all the event exclusives and they were:

Shitty tiger helmet

All camo orange armor recolor lol

Camo black

I don't remember any others

[final sentinel]

Quite a few more

[eternal talon]

Name them pls

[final sentinel]

Weird blocky backpack, orange slice hat

[eternal talon]

Blocky backpack? Pic?

[final sentinel]

Red version of R7 hat

[eternal talon]

I have the red one, wasn't that halloween?

Another recolor

[final sentinel]

Santonian Skinwalker was this year’s halloween

[final sentinel]

Kovac red ranger, last year’s halloween

[eternal talon]

What was santonian skinwalker?

[final sentinel]

The visor looks like a slice of orange

legit the best way I can describe it

[eternal talon]

I mean TECHNICALLY...

[harsh saffron]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/gtfo_gamepedia_en/images/1/1f/Santonian_Skinwalker.png/revision/latest?cb=20231026135440

[final sentinel]

there were like 2 others iirc but I’d have to check my game, I definitely got all of them tho

[eternal talon]

Ah, shitty pumpkin, have it

[royal crow]

i love this

[final sentinel]

The backpack was like mid ALT R2

And a reskin of a current one

[eternal talon]

If they want to actually draw people back for these event cosmetics they should really make them harder to get than five minutes on r6a1 lmao

[final sentinel]

Outwear PM8 was the one

But there’s also Kovac Praisido

Praesidio

That one is a reskin of the KDS Proto Cage

PM8 is a reskin of uhh outwear demi camo

Or rather it’s the other way around

[burnt wren]

Backpack made up of supply boxes tied together. Also comes with pouches up front. There is a vanilla version and a camo versios.

[final sentinel]

Still sad I’m gonna be missing the OG R6 Ex and Ovl palettes, esp because they’re like the only deep blue palettes in the game

[eternal talon]

Wait, I thought they made them RNG drops now, like lugubrious

[final sentinel]

wait what

Is lugu in the pool????

[eternal talon]

Also just considered, if you played ogr6, you will now forever have more cosmetics than anyone else because they can't go back and get them

[eternal talon]

I was told for certain it was when alt came out

I don't think it was during r7

[final sentinel]

O_o

[eternal talon]

What is now perm unavailable?

I always rock the r6ex helmet

[final sentinel]

…so the one that is available currently?

I got it during ALT R5

That hat isn’t exclusive anymore

I was under the impression that Destination, Lugubrious, Overdrive, and Overload Six were all unable to be attained anymore

Especially because I really feel like I would’ve gotten one in between Alt R6 and now, I cleared a lot of levels since Alt R6 dropped

[eternal talon]

Idk if they are or not, I already had gotten all of them during r6

I was just told they were

[final sentinel]

Frosty what’s garganta’s personnel count?

Approximately

[eternal talon]

As in total people, or ksos

[final sentinel]

All

[eternal talon]

Total people we don't know but you can probably guesstimate based on an average city of that size

Ksos is 32,000

[final sentinel]

oh wow ok that’s a lot

What about the rest?

[eternal talon]

Keep in mind the overwhelming majority of ksos were kept in stasis in deep

24,000 of them

[final sentinel]

yep

24k kso’s in deep, 12k scattered throughout garganta

[eternal talon]

8k scattered about

24+12 = 32?

[final sentinel]

Yes

[eternal talon]

Math lol

[final sentinel]

I math

And so the rest of the people would bring it up to, 50k? Idk you asked the 24 + 12 = 32 guy to estimate

[eternal talon]

Like I said we don't know, we can only estimate based on the (known) size of garganta

[final sentinel]

Mmmk

[eternal talon]

But by that point you are also cutting that estimation by another estimation of what % of garganta is inhabited and what % is mining tunnels, and at that point it isn't really even worth it

You could be damn near spot on or nowhere close

But if I WERE DOING IT, I'd say take the most medium of medium density cities, use that density with the size of garganta, and divide it by like 2/3rds

Remember, according to the blueprints/plans, it was a mining facility first. Actual industrial stuff wouldn't make up that big of a percentage and stuff like labs and data center would be even less

[drowsy roost]

Great question — I will double check since it's definitely in the data. But maybe its not actually attainable, I will better investigate the data blocks tomorrow 🤔

[eternal talon]

Fox! There you are. Have you seen my dozen messages?

You haven't been around this past week

[earnest shell]

What does 'The Warden' bot actually do on this discord?

[coral gorge]

it exists

i think thats all

[frail pollen]

it's been used for a couple sporadic things in-roleplay

[cold sphinx]

why dont we all just say "it connects us all the the KDS HSU vaults and sends us in missions whenever we do LFGs"

much more better

[earnest shell]

Thanks, I do wonder if 'The Warden' bot can tie into altering the game somehow at times, kind of like some interesting new commands the community has been finding lately...

[spiral goblet]

schizo-theorists converge

[frail pollen]

there's no remote modification capabilities

[spiral goblet]

he's in on it

[earnest shell]

A classic something-is-definitely-happening kind of answer. Love it.

[cold sphinx]

no

the command will be taking you the Den of Wolves

[daring drum]

Do we actually know the amount of KSOs Warden used and what objectives were they doing mostly?

or we are the only group that actually does something in the facility

[loud urchin]

There are some other groups,in r5b4 you're taking enemies for 30 minutes while another team does their job for example

To what extent these teams are utilised or how many there are, I'm not sure

I think it was said yesterday that there were 24000 ksos in kds deep and another 12000 out and about or something

[coral crane]

Wait so OG Schaeffer killed ALT to present as ALT Schaffer to bait the ALT team into paving the way for OG team to go to Brazil?

And how did he manage to enter the ALT membrane? Is this connected to the Log where schaeffer mysteriously returned from EF01 with the extra mask?

[royal crow]

nope

ALT Schaeffer says in D2

that the worldlines merged into eachother

[royal crow]

no

[lilac island]

he was just angry

[royal crow]

yeah

very angry

[royal crow]

also R8 doesnt take places in ALT or OG

its a "new" worldline

made from multiple

[coral crane]

😵‍💫

so everyone is in the r8 membrane?

is there context to how everyone got there?

i have not played most of this game, just spoiled myself on a lot of it haha

[royal crow]

most likely we messed with the MWP a lot

and that caused the worldines to merge into eachother

and its multiple worldlines since you can see a lot of our dead bodies

[coral crane]

Yeah I was wondering about that, isn't there like three sets of our own bodies?

[royal crow]

yes

the first signs about the worldline merging are in ALT R6

you can find bishop and Dauda dead bodies in R6CX

[coral crane]

so there's at least 5 membranes involved? 3 of them where members of the team died, ALT and OG?

[royal crow]

we dont know how many

but

we know its a lot

id say its more than 5

at least 6-8

[placid shore]

the project insight archive shows us how many

[royal crow]

those are the dimensions "explored"

[placid shore]

🤔

[coral crane]

So, maybe this is a dumb question, but what is Project Insight actually? I've read all the logs and it's not entirely clear. Did they just experiment on the creatues/mwp stuff and generally researched the alien stuff?

[royal crow]

we needed project insight to see which dimension was clean

[royal crow]

general research

👍

[coral crane]

Right

[coral crane]

wait so if everything merged why is KDS Deep trashed in E1 but it's perfectly fine in E2?

[royal crow]

...

E1 and E2 happens at the same time

E2 team reaches KDS deep first

[coral crane]

Ohhhh

[royal crow]

and uses the MWP to teleport them and a part of KDS deep

E1 team gets to KDS deep at the same time but they cant get in

after E2 uses the MWP E1 enters

[formal ember]

||in E2 we go through what og was doing during the first half :D||

[royal crow]

how far are you in the game Gau?

[coral crane]

yeah i havent played the missions i just watched vods here and there

just interested in the story

i've played up to alt R3A3, "officially"

[royal crow]

you can skip to R6

thats when the real shit starts happening

[coral crane]

so we did actually screw the alt team

damn

[drowsy roost]

The implication is that the "membranes are collapsing", dimensions are merging. So no one tried to jump dimensions, it's just the byproduct of all the inter-dimensional travel they've been doing.

Schaeff wasn't on EF01. It was Bishop.

[coral crane]

Oh yeah, i keep getting them mixed up haha

Ty for clarifying

[drowsy roost]

All good!

[patent isle]

so why does the E2 team betray the E1 team and leave without em, yknow, besides being assholes

[burnt wren]

Its you or them

And they didn't had time to interact properly

[drowsy roost]

If you think about it, they've only just gotten their autonomy back, full consiousness, and realising the world they were trapped in -- I'd definitely gtfo if I were them.

But also, I think the story of gtfo is meant to be depressing, nothing good ever happens.

[next scroll]

It also is very depressing when you learn the fact that nam-v has taken a decent chunk of the human population along with it being kind of in chaos.

[coral gorge]

a decent chunk? You mean like 95% of the population?

[next scroll]

Over 50%, it is mentioned in a log if i remember correctly because there is a mention of the virus being released

[coral gorge]

By the end of R8 most of humanity is fucking dead

[next scroll]

havent gotten that far but gtk 👍

[coral gorge]

we know from Mr Truth logs barely anyone is alive

so yeah

[placid shore]

we also know from mr truth he went down with the ship 🙏

[next scroll]

i just know that some countries are still up and taking refugees along with being in conflict with each other, thats it

[next scroll]

havent followed up on that part

[placid shore]

whoops, disregard that remove the thought from ur head

[next scroll]

It will be in the back of my head and annoy me but no worries, ill get up on that lore segment sooner or later

[coral gorge]

That was like a decade before we get controll of our characters

now most of humanity is hiding in some holes and bunkers

And by most i mean the remaining survivors

[next scroll]

the rest that are alive basically

[coral gorge]

yeah

so not a lot

[next scroll]

ill have to try to get some friends and repeat the game from the start cause whenever i try to play with random people they either speedrun, abuse bugs or ask for help in their rundown and i get kind of spoiled due to that

again, thanks for the info cause that was itching and making me feel like i missed a crucial part or something

[lilac island]

https://youtu.be/p6Xsp0XfnIY

quite sad

[burnt wren]

Frossty doesn't like that one.

[lilac island]

i don't like that one either to be honest but what can you expect

[burnt wren]

Research

Respecting in-game sources

[lilac island]

the lore is schizophrenic

[burnt wren]

You know

The man seems to have some sort of education in biology, so his explanations often go very deep.
Unfortunately here he decided to just ignore in-game explanations and just went on his own theory about fungus and what not, even though we literally never heard anything about any fungi in the entire complex.

Apparently Frost got into a heated arguments wit him in comment section and it got nowhere

The video's also now crazy outdated. That was... OG Rundown 6? Maybe even Rundown 5. We got SO much new information.

[lilac island]

do we now

[burnt wren]

Dauda's research report on NAM-V alone. The man didn't stay around to read that one.

[royal crow]

he ignored the ingame explanations because "he hasnt progressed further in the game"

💀

[lilac island]

oof lmao

i actually really wonder why

they went for shooters as they did

it's not physically possible for them to do the thing with the homing missiles

[royal crow]

also a comment says: "everything could have been avoided with a simple decontamination process"

how do we tell him NAM-V is inmortal?

(ignoring HSU's)

[lilac island]

namv isnt immortal

parasite is immortal when infected with namv

[royal crow]

ah right

funny parasite

well same thing

[lilac island]

schizophrenic lore

[royal crow]

a simple decontamination process wont kill the parasite + NAM-V

[lilac island]

i think the writer just had a psychotic episode and wrote the entire game's lore in 1 night

and then didn't remember any of it

[burnt wren]

All viruses are technically immortal since they don't fit the criteria for life until they infected something. We still have decontamination procedures for them nonetheless.

[lilac island]

also could them all being naked allude to some kind of extreme sensitivity

[burnt wren]

Alcohol based disinfection is meant to either destroy virus' outer shell or at the very least just wash it away.

[lilac island]

maybe they undress themselves because their skin is hyper sensitive when infected

for shooters this is believable since they're covered in dark lumps which probably are painful

for strikers idk

[next scroll]

more like destroying their clothes

[lilac island]

genuinely dont think they could

[next scroll]

I mean we see in early rundowns where the clothes are piled up in one place along with corpses around them

[lilac island]

oh true

[next scroll]

so it maybe their skin becomes more sensitive

[lilac island]

do we actually know what they wore

[next scroll]

due to their style of echolocation

[lilac island]

cause everytime i see those rubber suits

[next scroll]

santonian research clothes or sumthing

[lilac island]

yeah those rubber things laying around

[next scroll]

yeah

[lilac island]

that actually makes sense

probably have a compulsion to not be covered

[next scroll]

yeah, along with the fact that we see movement in the sleeper bodies and those are of a worm

[lilac island]

because you'd be blind

[next scroll]

ye

honestly im more interested in how big enemies are created, not sure if its anywhere in the lore but if i would have to guess i would say something either deep genetic or maybe their surroundings

and by "big" i refer to "snatchers, big strikers/shooters..." etc.

[burnt wren]

You can find some corpses wearing clothes

Their clothes look like a generic worker vest

[next scroll]

we only see those in the worker-tunnel-missions

or "digsite-maps"

[burnt wren]

There's gazzilion of them in R8A1

[next scroll]

havent gotten that far

[burnt wren]

An entire room, in fact

[next scroll]

im currently on r4a2

[burnt wren]

Yeah, exactly.

Its just a generic corpse model they use.

No correlation to work environment or anything.

[lilac island]

me not paying attention to my surroundings for the 1923th time

[burnt wren]

10c don't really do that kind of detail...

[lilac island]

98% of my playtime is me looking at my framerate graph

[burnt wren]

Kekium

I bet you haven't seen alt team corpses in R8A1 either

[next scroll]

my bad

[lilac island]

i have seen some blue quad stuff

which was confusing

[smoky pagoda]

how does the squad drop into r8e2 if their implants are removed and schaefer is gone and they don’t follow warden

[eternal talon]

That's a very good question.
never answers it

In conclusion:

https://tenor.com/view/dmc-devil-may-cry-dante-what-the-hell-is-this-wtf-gif-18707536

[smoky pagoda]

would have been cooler if r8c2 through r8e2 was all one mission but separated by parts

like you never get extracted

[eternal talon]

Believe me, if they bothered to make a non-hsu drop entry and extraction tile I would have abused the fuck out of it for PT

But sadly the only one of those was a never used extraction tile with completely broken enemy spawns

[smoky pagoda]

well like c2 extraction is just you get chip removed and signal lost

that’s probably most unique

[eternal talon]

Well tbf we don't have it removed... we don't undergo surgery, we just have it disabled. We fry it with magnetism or some shit idk

[smoky pagoda]

yeah

[eternal talon]

But I 100% agree we shouldn't be able to enter hydrostasis again from that point forward. The game just never explains it and just moves forward like nothing happened

Hoping we ignore that detail

Giginss is typing an essay...

[spare birch]

That feels more like a game limitation than anything
Like the game always assumes we drop from hydrostatis and plays the opening drop

I can imagine some 10 chambers devs wanting to create an alternate intro for D2 and E2, but that would be a lot of effort and probably lead to a host of bugs

[eternal talon]

Drop down probably is a game limitation, extraction isn't. They have a fully functional extraction on a sealed door, they just never finished the tile

Opening drop I think if they really wanted to they probably could have made a thing to specifically blacken the screen with maybe some text or something saying how long it has been and muting the elevator audio

They totally could have jerry rigged it and it'd've worked fine

Maybe overlayed some new audio over the muted elevator audio

Mr. Fibble is typing...

[dusky canopy]

Snoring sounds. They sleep between those last few missions uvu

[eternal talon]

In every other circumstance, you would have had a point there

unfortunately...

Game do be dum dum.

If we had entered hydrostasis we would have been fucked

Nobody to wake us up and if we tried to wake ourselves, well you heard what happened to maddox

Brain slushie

[cold sphinx]

DMC meme mentioned

[eternal talon]

foolishness dante, this isn't the first

[cold sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/vergil-reaction-vergil-reaction-my-reaction-to-that-information-my-reaction-to-that-information-meme-gif-26427732

[lost drum]

https://tenor.com/view/vitale-dmc5-reading-gif-13998224

I'm rereading the logs for the hundredth time

[cold sphinx]

me replaying for 16hrs just to get 99/187

[next scroll]

love and hate whenever you want to do a 100% completionist run on your fav game

Is Nam-V from the meteorite btw?

[cobalt mulch]

it's implied that the crashed space ship (meteorite) brought it to earth, yes.

[lilac island]

is there an updated lore explantion video for r8

[next scroll]

Havent looked into that part

[next scroll]

That would not entirely explain the traveling between our world and the desert area

[clear shale]

whatever precursor race crashed on earth had NAM-V and the matter-wave tech on board

at least that's what i recall

[cold sphinx]

Tech?

[next scroll]

like it would make more sense if it came from simple exploration and when some random dude came back wasnt properly scanned for infection, sickness (you name it) and an outbreak occured

[clear shale]

matter-wave projector, the data-cubes, all that fun stuff

at the very least i'm assuming it's tech

[cold sphinx]

Wouldn’t call that our tech but we recreated it

[clear shale]

yeah it ain't ours

lol

[cold sphinx]

Using the data cubes to secure a cordinates for warping

[cold sphinx]

Buuut

We learn it and recreated it

[clear shale]

I figured it out. I know why NAM-V exists

[cold sphinx]

So we took scraps and made it better lul

[clear shale]

It's a countermeasure to prevent the Matter-Wave Projector from ending up in the British Museum

[cold sphinx]

Quite unlikely

OG also had the MWP at the same time place that Alt MWP place

On R8 where both worlds collide

ALT picked up the MWP

OGs were zooming through and had enough clues that they need to get to KDS deep asap

They also learn on the way that the jump needs the data cubes

[next scroll]

Makes sense as to why bishop was taken away to the Legion-Program

[plush nest]

So I know this isn’t true but who started the whole explosive collars and how did they even come up with it?

[coral gorge]

Uhhhh i think it was someone in Bricky’s video

Or operator drewskies

i dont remember

atleast thats the only time i heard someone talk abt bomb collars

[cold sphinx]

should not ask before youve done C2

[coral gorge]

what

[cold sphinx]

the chip frying or KDS deep's fall?

[coral gorge]

w h a t

i am deeply confused

[cold sphinx]

theyre asking about the control chip or the death of ALT team

[coral gorge]

are they?

[cold sphinx]

look

[eternal talon]

This.
There are no bomb collars, and nothing even remotely similar is in the game/lore

I have no idea where that myth originated but bricky spread it far and wide

[toxic wagon]

Bricky's GTFO Review video. Around 2:45

[burnt wren]

Yeah, no such system was ever in place. You'd think there would be, but i guess KSOs are brainwashed so good - it just was never needed.

Otherwise Schaeffer would never be able to disconnect

[royal crow]

explosive collars sounds like a really stupid idea

[burnt wren]

(or he would, and it would add another plothole to the list of "Schaeffer ruining the lore around him")

[royal crow]

someone can hack them and detonate them

or similar

[next scroll]

Honestly we don’t know what happens to our characters whenever we fail a mission so might just be a concept of what happens to us after we fail cause we (at least I) don’t know how many people have been recruited to the Legion-Program

[burnt wren]

I imagine our wipes are canonical other universes.

[next scroll]

Most likely but that still would kind of not explain what is in the masks themselves. we just get a „game over” which just leads to eventual speculations.

[burnt wren]

Just air filtrations

Thing like Bishop's mask are very basic. Pretty much just googles and filter.

Most of them come pre-packaged with various headphones.

And then we get the insane ones that have lord knows what is installed in them.

The mask i currently use - Vulgan or whatever, the cool rienforced one - has a tube going straight into the back of prisoner's neck, hinting some sort of direct connection or link

[eternal talon]

At min, 32,000.
And we have seen ksos dead (specifically ourselves)

[cold sphinx]

hey frostty

ALT schaffer didnt have a Klas henrikson right?

[eternal talon]

No, he never rebelled, so never went on to wake his versions of henrikkson or maddox

They kept sleeping

[cold sphinx]

he only dug around the files and data left behind till he stumble upon us

he had all the time in the world to

gather everything about what was going on and what is the Warden anyways

[eternal talon]

We got them for him in r7a1 but the alt worldline never got to r7

[cold sphinx]

it did tbh

our team

didnt have that much

of progress

cause of different paths

[eternal talon]

No? R7 was two things.

Replacing u22 that schaeffer killed

Hacking into biocom

Neither happened in alt

It just skipped from alt//r6 to the merged r8

[cold sphinx]

one could imagine ALT team just sneaking around finding more about the MWP

[coral gorge]

R7 had no reason to occur in ALT

[cold sphinx]

cause ALT 6 introduced us to primal beings

[coral gorge]

as frostt said

[coral gorge]

what now

[cold sphinx]

i didnt say R7 had connection to ALT 6

cmon now

[eternal talon]

Wut

[cold sphinx]

sorry

[coral gorge]

I mean ALT R7 had no reason to happen

[cold sphinx]

not introduced

but well.....

[coral gorge]

but also what primal beings???

[eternal talon]

"Primal beings"?
You've completely lost me

[cold sphinx]

yeah im just coping with krakens and calling em that just so they can be cool

[coral gorge]

you mean destination creatures?

ah

[cold sphinx]

so what im saying

that ALT after R6

could be studyin these mfs

then gets booted to R8

[eternal talon]

We don't know exact time difference between ANY rundowns so I guess...

[cold sphinx]

there

[coral gorge]

Yeah true

[cold sphinx]

time skip be like

[eternal talon]

But some (like r2 to r3) probably aren't more than a couple days given how closely related the objectives are

[cold sphinx]

not quite

the NEONATE

without being depressurized

[coral gorge]

plus it seems like there are some missions our squad(s) seem to do without being playable

[eternal talon]

R2e1 gets the neonate that all r3 is based around

[cold sphinx]

can stay on for a loooong time

[cold sphinx]

ik

but still

[coral gorge]

(like the murder of the WHO team)

[cold sphinx]

no way to prove time limit on them being

[eternal talon]

We don't know how it was stored on the freight lift, if it'd even have power

[cold sphinx]

yup

[eternal talon]

Like cells, they may not have much power stored so the time couldn't be that long before the start of r3

All cells we find, without any use, have passively drained to something like 60% so they aren't particularly efficient

[cold sphinx]

i mean

generators

pair of with the cells fanning

to both generate a continuos power flow

serving not alot

[eternal talon]

Point being whatever the neonate has would be smaller than one of those cells (obviously) so would have less capacity

[cold sphinx]

but decent

[cold sphinx]

true

[coral gorge]

I mean i think its safe to say the neonate cant last over a month

[eternal talon]

Think back to r6c2? I think it was

[cold sphinx]

not quite

[eternal talon]

Cells only repelled the fog for like 10 mins each before they ran out

[cold sphinx]

the stages of the NEONATE dictates its time limit