gtfo-lore

[fading heath]

💀

[broken kindle]

it would be so funny to have a gigachad easter egg on an ID

[stoic stratus]

hmm

[broken kindle]

surely too close together to be a coincidence...

[stone vine]

we typically have ext

i wouldn’t be surprised with an extended rundown

especially with the shitass cliffhanger that is e2

it could also be a scrapped idea literally every concept is in the game files

they don’t delete them

atleast not for the most part

[wind epoch]

i tried searching the old discord messages here but couldn't find anything on it; what is the significance of the R6-X levels (i.e. R6AX, R6BX, R6CX) and is it correlated with the ALT worldline or no?

or just kind of a standalone thing

[fading heath]

Wake up henriksson
Wake up and smell the ashes

[slate mural]

Yo guys after gtfo r8 e1 or e2 what happend to henrikson sorry for bad spelling but after a2 i dont know where he is im starting to think bad scaffer killed henrickson 😦

[formal ember]

Didn't he get bonked 😔

@eternal talon has his believes on this matter right?

[plush sigil]

He got bonked bro

It's super obvious

He's already killed before too

[eternal talon]

*her

And yeah. He was killed offscreen

Schaeffer briefly mentions killing him then he is never brought up again

[eternal talon]

Could also just be a placeholder to make the rundown menu pretty. I did it myself in PT. Make a "e1", e2, and "e3", set e1 and e3 to be entirely unselectable then label e2 as e1 so it's In the middle

Technically it will show the other two as levels, but they are not.

[cunning light]

This is the most likely explanation. They have used the same method in the past as well.

[placid shore]

no its the extension level of R6

[frail pollen]

literally this and only this.

[light anchor]

I just finished r8e1 and unlocked r8a2 which is the nightmare worldline. Can i ask what is the nightmare worldline and why are the sleepers there look so evolved?

[drowsy roost]

I was also confused as to what the nightmare worldline was...

[burnt wren]

Its a hard question since we don't really know.

Also you start meeting nightmares far sooner, somewhere in R8B2 or something.

[light anchor]

Also i'm quite confused about the parasite's origin. The NAM-V virus are said to come to earth with the species of advanced alien. But the parasite, where did they come from? I think i'm missing some information

[burnt wren]

Supposedly its a worldline where either namv is different or the time there passed for so long that sleepers evolved extra features

[burnt wren]

Oh yeah, don't you worry, we're misssing ALL of the information.

We just know that parasite and namv are separate entitites that came from separate worlds.

[drowsy roost]

What are the nightmare timelines? Like, what makes them different/how to recognize them?

[cobalt mulch]

red color scheme, decrepit melted humanoids hanging like respawn sacks

[drowsy roost]

Oh, right -- yes.

We're talking about "in the facility" and not, the desert planet?

[light anchor]

What are the krakens? The desert planet we landed on, i suppose it is not earth, where we found the krakens may hint that the krakens are another species of alien infected with the symbiosis?

[drowsy roost]

I believe that the desert planet is OG EF01

Or at least someone's mission to EF01... since they obviously were able to set up a lot of infrastructure

[eternal talon]

Big sleeperified fish, like that planet's version of whales.

They closest relate to cuttlefish here on earth.

As to how they can fly? Who knows. Maybe hyper-mutated air bladders

[eternal talon]

It was. The first Durant log was at the alpha two outpost. (Not sure if it still is in alt//r6)

[eternal talon]

Well they are all in symbiosis... thats how you make sleepers.

The virus simply kills you. Both are required to turn a host into a sleeper

The virus was a bioweapon created or discovered by the collectors, presumably used to wipe out planets for later colonization, but at some point it encountered the parasite on one of these worlds and created the first sleepers.

They weren't always together. The virus came first, we know that for sure.

[drowsy roost]

I don't think the virus was bioweapon.

It's just conjecture in one log, not stated elsewhere

[eternal talon]

I'm going to take the word of our local biologist that it is impossible to have occurred naturally.
@rocky wraith

And I've pinged them so they can discuss why with you if you'd like

It primarily revolves around the "multipronged attack strategy" thing

[drowsy roost]

Within the lore of the game it is either "naturally occurring" or "artificial", and since neither have been established as canon, it's not accurate to say that its a "bioweapon" when someone asks about it. It'll just create confusion. Whether in real life it is possible isn't really of importance, since 1. it's a work of fiction, and 2. it is set in the future (where, for instance, we have re-programmable humans, cloning, and hydrostasis)

Which is all to say -- we can conjecture its a bioweapon, but we can't state that it is definitively with respect to the lore of the game.

[eternal talon]

But in saying that you are ignoring dr. Dauda's research, who is also a biologist in canon

He was primarily responsible for almost the entirety of research on the virus over the course of half a decade at garganta

[drowsy roost]

He doesn't say it was a bioweapon or artificial?

[eternal talon]

He says it was designed in the r7e1 log

That word is only applicable in that of bioweapons. You cannot "design" something that is already naturally present -- you'd be too late, it was already existing

[drowsy roost]

It is only a bioweapon if applied as a weapon

[eternal talon]

You can design variants, but he wasn't making new viruses. He was studying for potential ways to stop it

[drowsy roost]

It's not stated anywhere its used as a weapon.

[eternal talon]

That's simply not true and it's starting to seem like copium

[eternal talon]

Hardly means anything when we have zero info on almost anything regarding the collectors in the first place

You can't point at the ocean and note the lack of trees

Weither it was or wasn't used we don't know because we don't know anything about what they were doing before the crash.

[drowsy roost]

That's my point -- you are taking information that is canon, there is a virus and Dauda's consider's it have been "designed," and extrapolating that to mean "it's a bioweapon." Dauda did not say it was a bioweapon.

A more accurate summary is*: There is a virus, and it's ability to infect, leads Dauda to believe it to have been "designed." For what purpose is unknown*

Because that is supported, everything else is conjecture.

[eternal talon]

No, from that statement and the rest of what he describes, our local expert, that studied four years and is currently training to join the RAF, side that it is overwhelmingly likely

[drowsy roost]

He doesn't call it a weapon, though.

[eternal talon]

I'm taking his word because he knows far more about these topics than either of us

[drowsy roost]

That's my objection

[eternal talon]

oh my fucking god...

He says designed.
End of story.

You don't say a plant found in the Amazon jungle was designed.

[drowsy roost]

Well, some do.

But gtfo isn't a place for that.

[eternal talon]

Since he isn't logging on let me see if I can track down where he answered this before

[drowsy roost]

Yeah, I'm not disagreeing that it's possibly designed, that's established in the lore, as you say.

[eternal talon]

Then what are you objecting to?

We know what it does.

It's not like it was designed to be a pesticide that got out of hand

[drowsy roost]

Bioweapon -- to say it's a weapon is to imply it was created for a purpose, and someone intended to use it for some purpose. So I feel it is a stretch to say, just because it kills, it is a weapon.

[eternal talon]

It kills everything indiscriminately

[drowsy roost]

Our own human history is full of examples of exactly that...

Herbicides are a great example of "we tried to improve farming, whoops, killed people"

[eternal talon]

Nam-v kills everything. Even creatures from different universes that evolved in fundamentally different ways

(Which is insane)

[drowsy roost]

Sure, but to say only a weapon would do that.

[eternal talon]

All life on earth shares a significant % of DNA. A different world would be ridiculous

Yet it can continue to kill

[eternal talon]

Pesticides aren't designed to spread like wildfire and kill all life on a planet, unless the entire planet is just one big farm with no life to speak of

[drowsy roost]

Our pesticides aren't...

[eternal talon]

They are usually targeted at one or more specific species

And are designed to be minimally dangerous to the consumers (humans in our case)

Though some are far stronger than others..

Its never to that level.

[drowsy roost]

Maybe someone said "here there's this parasite killing our livestock, lets make a virus to kill the parasite"

(I guess from the parasites perspective that makes it a weapon)

But we don't really call weed-killers a weapon...

[eternal talon]

Then you would isolate the genes of only that parasite and make it the target

They don't blast off your arm with a shotgun when you go to the doctor to get treated for an infection there

They treat only the infection, leave the rest alone

[drowsy roost]

If you were making a wepaon, wouldn't you design it not to kill everything?

[eternal talon]

Yes.

But NAMV doesn't do that. It hits everything

[drowsy roost]

Like, you'd probably want to, say, conquer some territory, not render it all uninhabitable.

[eternal talon]

It doesn't kill plants

Only animals

Destination still has plant life even after a trillion years

[drowsy roost]

Also doesn't kill the plants in the complex

Doesn't mean it's not in the plants...

Just not, say, dead.

[eternal talon]

Red-Queen hypothesis would imply that for a virus to get as convoluted and advanced as this that it can infect any biological lifeform and interact with its genetics in such creative manners, that it would have to evolve alongside a holobiome that would be constantly coevolving equally or even more advanced immune systems. In essence, the Virus has multiple attack strategies not for just one species but for multiple species with inventive types of immune responses. This is beyond the advanced trypanosome antigen-shifting strategies, but to the point where it can counter any less evolved defence strategies. This implies that the holobiome it would originate from have the most kickass bodies possible, capable of fighting off infections that would normally wipe out all life on Earth
In the logs it is implied that there was the potential that a virus could coevolve as a mutually symbiotic partner in evolution, but that would require that the benefits of cooperation outweigh the cons of fighting the evolution of the hosts immune systems
#gtfo-lore message

Basic breakdown I can give for the reasoning is that; Viruses hate redundancy because they mutate so much that redundancies are lost quickly. A virus that has multiple attack redundancies that are retained on top of genes allowing it to genetically modify the host... yeah NAM-V has either gotta be artificially designed, or evolved in an environment so freaking bizarre and niche that I can't even imagine how you would get there.
#gtfo-lore message

[royal crow]

🤨

[drowsy roost]

Yeah, cool insight.

I'm just arguing from a absolutist perspective that, if we were to update the wiki — unless it is defined as such in canon — we can only present it as an interpretation or conjecture. It is reasonable to assume that the GTFO team did not expect us to be engaging with virologists to understand the game story, they want it to be conceivable by everyone. So I am simply saying, in the world that they created, based on the laws of the universe that they have devised, it is "believed to be artificial, for what purpose is unknown."

Occam's razor, etc.

[eternal talon]

its funny because over the years we have had several professionals in here, (including one that works for the CDC). this story just happens to draw a lot of the pros i guess.

[drowsy roost]

True, and they are probably rolling their eyes at the entire thing.

[eternal talon]

i cant speak for many others, but beanz at least is still an active GTFO enjoyer.

[drowsy roost]

I'm sure there's more than a few people who work in mining operations wondering where all the toilets are in the complex...

[finite vine]

as all viruses do... could u link the log where dauda says its "designed"?

[finite vine]

"or evolved in an environment so freaking bizarre and niche that I can't even imagine how you would get there."

Well, lets see, could it be that NAM-V has evolved for trillions of years in countless membranes, because that's exactly what it could have done...
We see that some specimens that have been altered by NAM-V (fliers) can transport themselves between membranes. Therefore, it is also reasonable to assume, that NAM-V was not artificially created, and has just been mutating in countless different environments.

I would say that the above is more likely and has more evidence than it NAM-V being created.

[finite vine]

and physicists laughing at the quantum entanglement teleportation

[cunning light]

Nam-V has not been designed to kill. Like all virus, its main aim is to reproduce and multiplicate itself. Killing the host is just an unfortunate byproduct
In that regard, it is BY FAR the scariest version of any virus ever though of, either in real life or any fiction work I got my eyes on.

[eternal talon]

according to @rocky wraith this isnt true. viruses aren't supposed to kill, as Ch0 says

[finite vine]

lets be honest, "designed" could mean multiple things in this context. designed by evolution, designed by "god", designed by time, etc.
there is nothing else that points to NAM-V being a bioweapon in the lore other than this single word in this log.

[eternal talon]

killing is a side-effect

[finite vine]

NAM-V does not only kill? it also mutates species... sleepers, fliers, etc

[eternal talon]

nam-v has a 100% lethality rate

it was not always symbiotic with the parasite.

killing was always the default

(which is not normal for viruses or pretty much any *natural pathogen)

[finite vine]

pretty odd for a virus this expansive (exists in thousands of membranes) to only kill its host and nothing else.

that does not make a whole lot of sense. seems like the parasite plays a very large role in NAM-V's survival

[cunning light]

To a virus, the host is just yet another medium to achieve its purpose. It does not care if it lives or dies
As long as it can infect other beings fast enough, survival of the host is not necessary. Although it helps a lot spreading it if it is not "too" lethal. You can play several virus simulators to try out :)

[eternal talon]

it can't create sleepers without the parasite so bringing up the finalized mutations is kinda pointless. like a cancer, ofc its gonna mutate you horribly, it just kills you in the end though.

[finite vine]

yea i forgot about the parasite. my other points still stand though.

[finite vine]

^

[eternal talon]

yet it is true. there is no natural immunity and no survivors. even if your system "beats it" it will quote; "remain in their system and can strike again without warning."

[finite vine]

like many auto-immune diseases that exist

aids, hiv, mono, lymes

[eternal talon]

it having the highest r-naught ever recorded is not helping it in the case of not burning all its food out too fast

[eternal talon]

yes, but those don't guarantee death.

at least not anymore. there are treatments

[finite vine]

its very possible NAM-V could have gotten this deadly from mutations alone

does not necessarily mean it was designed by someone as a bioweapon

[eternal talon]

i mean look at the picture above. its blocking the entire airway. even if the virus didnt kill this guy, the mutations would have caused suffocation

[finite vine]

I mean mutations, (evolution of the virus) over trillions of years in who knows how many of membranes and environments.

[eternal talon]

The virus is the primary life force of membranes in which it exists. All will become impure. In this membrane, and all we have traveled.

[finite vine]

and...? not sure of the point your trying to make

[eternal talon]

"who knows how many of membranes and environments." - > "and all we have traveled."

just adding onto what you said

[finite vine]

just shows that NAM-V exists in multiple membranes

ah got it

I wonder how many the collectors have traveled to

[eternal talon]

certainly not an insignificant amount given the specimens in the inner

[finite vine]

and how did we find a clean membrane before they did lmao

[eternal talon]

i dont recall if that log gave us an estimate of how many where recovered

[eternal talon]

could also imply they are bringing it with them, on purpose or not

in all WE have traveled

[eternal talon]

There is no way of knowing for sure if they evolved in the same location (or even if they evolved at all)

[drowsy roost]

creatures or membranes?

[rocky wraith]

Wha

What did I get @‘d about?

[placid shore]

Bout nam v

[rocky wraith]

Opposite, because energy optimisations require persistent pressure to retain the multi-attack pattern complexes that it has. Simply put it would lose more often than it would gain through mutation. The fact that it hasn’t means it’s more likely to be artificially created and sustained

[rocky wraith]

99% of mutations in viruses are loss-of-function meaning that the mutations that gain it function are rare and often lost if not pressured for. Trillions of years without the required pressures means it is more likely to lose it over time. Just like how viruses on Earth often stay small because it is energetically favourable to do so. Same applies here.

I hope that helps?

[eternal talon]

number of creatures, assuming different membranes for different creatures.

[clear shale]

idk, i do physics and i really enjoy this lore as just a bit of fantasy fun

[plush sigil]

Injecting real world info into the lore is dumb as hell, the entire thing is "fantasy fun". I really REALLY don't think 10 chambers had big meetings about the irl accuracy and mechanics of their fictional virus or physics lol

[finite vine]

same, i think the dev's did a pretty good job keeping it somewhat scientifically reasonable

[tough wave]

Me waiting for the Roanoake Gaming GTFO deep dive

[eternal talon]

dont...

they already did and it was horrible

[tough wave]

Oh thats a shame

Hey, what does NRV Probe reaction mean btw?

[eternal talon]

ignored the overwhelming majority of the lore,
claimed it was a "fungus" and deleted everyone correcting him in the comments

[plush sigil]

LOL

FUNGUS

[tough wave]

Smh can't believe there's fungus amongus

[plush sigil]

Never stated in any logs at all it's just tech mumbo jumbo

[eternal talon]

got a very heated response from him before he deleted the comment thread on the original video lmao

[clear shale]

honestly the matter-wave projector is my favourite take on teleportation ever

[eternal talon]

calling it (the logs) all wrong and that its up to his interpretation (the story)

[clear shale]

because it's unique

[tough wave]

I'll pretend it's a flashing light they shine at us right when we get back in our beds then

[plush sigil]

My head cannon is that it's just the brain chip response status

[clear shale]

#gtfo-lore message

went deep diving for this... that makes sense

[finite vine]

wouldn't the persistent pressure come from the diverse environments that NAM-V would be subjected to as it travels through membranes???
which would promote evolution of the strain

[plush sigil]

Wow neat

[tough wave]

Bet it's one of the first indications of becoming a sleeper then

[plush sigil]

Great find

[rocky wraith]

Yes! But it would then specialise to have only the necessary genes required for the environment and lose everything unnecessary. So it would shrink entering a new environment and struggle to move into a new one each time

[plush sigil]

What about the log that states that when NAM-V infects a host it starts spitting out new versions of itself adapted for that host/environment with new mutations while retaining it's old strains

[finite vine]

so because the virus wants to save energy, there is really no reason for it to enter new environments and challenge itself?

[rocky wraith]

Opposite way around, because it doesn’t ‘see’ future environments it can’t prepare for them, only able to see it’s current one and adapt to that

[rocky wraith]

Can you link log please? I haven’t seen much of R6/8’s logs

[plush sigil]

Lemme find it

[rocky wraith]

That sounds correct, but the final sentence of maintaining it’s old strain is the key that show’s it’s artificially maintained

[eternal talon]

no results for "CTRL+F strain", still looking for keywords to help find it if it exists

[rocky wraith]

Because it has a tonne of ability to manipulate multiple genetic systems. That is also a hint that it was designed with multiple hosts in mind. Because it is not favourable to maintain those complex systems with each generation.

Think of it like this. Every gene takes up more bases and more resources to make. Every gene you can remove and still spread, is more bases and energy spent making more viruses which have a better chance of spreading.

Smaller genome then means faster replication time.

[eternal talon]

With so many mutations of NAM-V being created with each new host, there are potentially millions of strains of NAM-V that no longer require a parasite to transmit. This explains why Dr. Dauda's research shows such resilience in the virus. It evolves everywhere, in every way. This virus is an omnipotent force of nature.

this one?

[rocky wraith]

Larger genome that has to maintain high degree of accuracy and no misreads or introducing mutations requires more energy, bases, time, and is generally worse off if the environment isn’t pressuring for it

[eternal talon]

@plush sigil

[plush sigil]

Yeah thats the one

[eternal talon]

this isn't a new one, alt//r1. was looking in the wrong places

[plush sigil]

You should include the

We have also discovered that the extent of viral mutation within the parasites is unusually high. Each infected parasite carries it's own mutation of the virus, which means that any host with multiple parasites will allow the mutated viruses to gene shuffle and create new strains.

[eternal talon]

**Mr. Lockwood,

We can assert categorically that both NAM-V and Parasitidae Garganta are extraterrestrial in origin. There is no way of knowing for sure if they evolved in the same location (or even if they evolved at all), but we do know that the environmental conditions for both lifeforms was at least very similar as their structural framework share many features. It is highly likely they have the same origin, wherever that may be.

The progenitor of the relationship between the virus and the parasite is not clear, so I have been working under Dr. Dauda's theory that the virus happened upon the parasite at some point, found it to be an appropriate host, and evolved to manipulate the behavior of the parasite to ensure transmission. We have also discovered that the extent of viral mutation within the parasites is unusually high. Each infected parasite carries it's own mutation of the virus, which means that any host with multiple parasites will allow the mutated viruses to gene shuffle and create new strains. Many of the new strains lead to mutations of the host to varying degrees, resulting in the physical deformities we see in some hosts. This is almost certainly the cause of at least some of the abominations that have been uncovered as excavations towards the Inner continue.

However, I have also isolated hundreds of parasites that do not carry the virus and yet their behavior is identical to infected parasites, indicating the presence of collective intelligence. The parasites are highly social and will work together to ensure attachment to a host - using strategies that are far beyond the capability of an individual parasite. It is unlikely that these complex behaviors can all be attributed to implanted behaviors from the virus.** 1/2

**The relationship is certainly symbiotic. The virus triggers life-prolonging chemical production in the parasite, and the parasite provides a suspendable organic structure for the virus. The parasite transmits the virus to new hosts, and in turn the virus alters the behavior of the host to accept the presence of the parasite and inhibit the desire to remove it.

With so many mutations of NAM-V being created with each new host, there are potentially millions of strains of NAM-V that no longer require a parasite to transmit. This explains why Dr. Dauda's research shows such resilience in the virus. It evolves everywhere, in every way. This virus is an omnipotent force of nature.

The only method we have found of killing the virus is by stopping the biological functions of the host through hydrostasis (or death). Fortunately, the parasites have not yet found a way into the HSUs. However, after hydrostasis reinfection is possible. We continue to improve our sterilization and prophylaxis methods, but we are fighting a losing battle. I see no future for us if we do not seek the origin of these lifeforms and find an immune genome. If we are to survive NAM-V, we must turn to the nature that created it. Evolution has had millions of years to fight the virus. We have months.

James Durant B255** 2/2

[rocky wraith]

Contradictions that could make sense if the virus is utilising intentional mutations in order to reconfigure antigenic shifting like in certain parasites. Somatic hypermutation I think is the phrase

Our immune system uses something similar in order to create B-cells that can create antibodies to target new pathogens

Usually this is done through a duplication and reorganisation of DNA repair processes. Which the Virus must have to maintain high degree of similarity to previous generations

[plush sigil]

The virus is gonna work however the writers want it to work because...its fictional lol

[rocky wraith]

Yup! But that doesn’t mean we can’t try and make it work irl too :3

[plush sigil]

Please do not create NAM-V irl, thank you

[rocky wraith]

Don’t worry, Crispr isn’t strong enough… yet >:3

[clear shale]

"one second he'll be sending pictures of his cat the next it'll be 'here is the complete instructions for how to make anthrax'"

• therussianbadger video #???

[rocky wraith]

Hey! I did cover anthrax production in uni so there’s that :3

[clear shale]

[loud urchin]

don't worry if they poison you with anthrax I can prescribe you whatever medicines you'll need in hospital (in a few years time, not quite there yet)

[finite vine]

this seems to support my point?

[finite vine]

^this one too

[finite vine]

yea same, the writers did a really good job on describing it scientifically.

[grave quest]

crispr that means Clustered Regularly Interspaced Short Palindromic Repeats, didnt it?

[rocky wraith]

Yup!

[grave quest]

that isnt a virus

[rocky wraith]

nope

[grave quest]

sorry I did not understand the message

[rocky wraith]

it's a protein tool for genetic modification

allows you to change bases, sections of genes, introduce SNPs, deletions, insertions etc

[grave quest]

the final box is ebola

[rocky wraith]

Crispr has been getting stronger and more refined over the years and eventually will be utilised for most genetic editing capabilities

[grave quest]

interesting

one question what is the maximum bio hazard dangerous level?

I dont know how is it written

[rocky wraith]

BSL-4

You can google it

[grave quest]

omg

in usa is where there is more

like in the other countries only 1 or 2

one question

is it true that viruses technically arent a life being?

[rocky wraith]

Depends on your definition

I think they are alive because they are like any other organism. They are a system that replicates.

[grave quest]

and why is it called nam-v is there an rule to call it?

[grave quest]

as we are teached a live organism has to do the three vital functions

[rocky wraith]

They may not be "self-replicating" but then again, many organisms can't replicate without the assistence of other species

[grave quest]

reproduce relation and reproduction

i think they arent live at all , is like calling a Prion

a life being

[rocky wraith]

Just what the scientists came up with

[grave quest]

when they are only a protein

ok

[rocky wraith]

Like how Covid-19 is the illness but SARS-CoV-2 is the virus

[loud urchin]

the funny thing with viruses is they have no cellular machinery to replicate themselves yeah

[grave quest]

is there any virus called SUS?

[rocky wraith]

more than likely

[burnt wren]

I imagine there will be, eventually

[loud urchin]

they still replicate and all that, but need a host cell to create replicas

[burnt wren]

Plenty of memesters in scientific community

[grave quest]

can you create a virus called CABA-DIABLO?

[loud urchin]

the amount of discovered species named after celebrities is kinda high

but Tony Iommi is a killer guitarist so I don't mind

[rocky wraith]

I don't think that invalidates them from being counted as alive in my books. For many others that does discount them and is a valid position to hold. It comes down to personal choice

Nomenclature is mostly naming convergent abstractions

[loud urchin]

I remember there was a checklist that most people used to decide if something was living but I can't remember what exactly it was

or that was from my A level biology class a few years back, idk

[rocky wraith]

There's dozens of these checklists

And usually always an exception to spite them lol

biology is fun like that

[loud urchin]

makes sense, science is annoying

can't say "every" or "all of" when writing anything because there'll probably be an exception, even if it hasn't been discovered yet

[rocky wraith]

yup! Which I think is amazing

Just goes to show how fantastic and diverse life and matter can be!

[grave quest]

@rocky wraith protips to survive school .

?

Xd

One question what is the pronouns thing ?

I mean do you really in the real life ask the pronouns to people before taking?

[rocky wraith]

Enjoy learning

[grave quest]

Good protip

[rocky wraith]

If you enjoy learning about something it will stick

[grave quest]

The problem is my discipline

I struggle sometimes with internet and pc and mobile

[rocky wraith]

simply self-discipline. You have to recognise what is important for your future

[finite vine]

practice active studying methods, like quizzing yourself, doing practice problems, etc.

[rocky wraith]

^^^^

[grave quest]

I am going skiing with my school next week

Xd

[finite vine]

thats sick! i love to skii

[grave quest]

12 hours in bus doesn't think the same

But yeah

[finite vine]

whats ur major?

[grave quest]

Major ?

[finite vine]

are u in college or high school

[grave quest]

I don't know the difference

Sorry I am not Anglo parlant

[finite vine]

lol ur good

[grave quest]

Pls explain

[finite vine]

high school is like 9th grade thru 12th grade to get your GED, and college is you go to a university and study a certain "major", like biology, mechanical engineering, etc

at least in the US

[grave quest]

So high school

I think

I have two years left counting this to university

[finite vine]

cool, i wish i went on skii trips when i was in high school lmao

[grave quest]

Bruh literary I am talking to a student engineer , I feel useless

XD

[grave quest]

Didn't you have school trips ?

[finite vine]

lol dont feel useless, i went thru high school also and struggled sometimes

[finite vine]

not skiing lol. just like to museums and stuff i think

[rocky wraith]

same

[eternal talon]

Usually in America they are few and far between and depending on the school you may have to pay to participate

[grave quest]

We went to our country capital , and the second largest

[grave quest]

Probably

[eternal talon]

And even those are often very local

[grave quest]

Texas is bigger than Spain

So

[eternal talon]

Out of state trips are planned years in advance in my experience

[grave quest]

In plane you can go to the west and east in 2 hours by plane

Ok

[formal ember]

[grave quest]

One question , I am not trying to offend is true that in America geography level is bad or is it only a European Myth ?

[finite vine]

geography level?

[grave quest]

Knowledge

[placid shore]

its true

[grave quest]

Do the people ask the pronouns before talking to someone or it is only done in internet?

[placid shore]

unfortunately some mentally handicapped do

[finite vine]

depends on the person. i will not ask but if they correct me i will respect them obviously

[grave quest]

Other question In my country the teacher can't requise the mobile if you are using it middle classes without his authorization

Does it happen in America ?

[rocky wraith]

You can do it easily and quickly if you are unsure and it's considered polite. most people won't bat an eye

[grave quest]

Bat an eye ?

Bat 🦇?

[fresh gyro]

Care

Also nice gtfo lore

:D

[grave quest]

This is a free country

[fresh gyro]

No

[grave quest]

Where are you from ?

[fresh gyro]

The only thing free is you 🙏

[grave quest]

Is there a third party in America appart from republicans and democrats?

[rocky wraith]

it means to react or care

[grave quest]

Interesting

[grave quest]

Does anyone know?

[rocky wraith]

independents

but that's not gtfo lore related

[grave quest]

Sorry

But yes

Now we speak a bout gtfo

[rocky wraith]

Not to be discussed here

[grave quest]

Sorry for entering politics

XD

Would you consider gtfo ending good or bad

[formal ember]

sad 😔

[placid shore]

mid at best

[grave quest]

I think good

Cause they escaped

W prisioners

[formal ember]

r8e2 end felt kinda rushed but e1 was good

[grave quest]

L sleepers

L warden

W prisioners

[grave quest]

I will steal your spaghetti

[formal ember]

based

[lilac island]

Btw

Kraken wasn't actually a whale

At frosty

Since we find a kraken in e2 we can assume it's simply a massive collection of biomass

Also where did all this biomass actually come from

There aren't enough people for all of this

The mass is coming from elsewhere too

[grave quest]

Kraken is from other dimension

I mean planet

[lilac island]

Is it necessarily

[formal ember]

aint the kraken from an another dim, not from the one we play on

[lilac island]

How is it in e2 tho

[grave quest]

The portals

[formal ember]

plot armor

[lilac island]

We put a command to flush a toilet

And up he comes

[grave quest]

What would happen if frosty turned into a sleeper?

[lilac island]

There were no portsls at that area

[formal ember]

maybe they were doing tests on it and it was trapped idk

[grave quest]

They can do it

[formal ember]

we may never know why..

[grave quest]

Inestabileities

[formal ember]

instabilities?

[grave quest]

Autocorrector

Combined with bad writing

[lilac island]

Imeditabilitoes

[grave quest]

Isnsnanruvitibimaties

[formal ember]

Elbow whyd you ghost my dms 😔

im sad

[grave quest]

Elbow I thought your profile picture was a hat but it is actually a fox

[eternal talon]

Same reason the sand, crystals, destination plants, AND THE ENTIRETY OF ALPHA ONE are on destination.

🍝

(Yes, the arena you fight it in in r7e2 is literally alpha one copy pasted in a giant ass upscaled tube from the dig site tileset)

[eternal talon]

The sleepers would gain a mass of ultimately useless trivia knowledge. God forbid the warden ever starts a game show instead of running expeditions

[royal crow]

warden gameshows
imagine

thats 100% real in another worldline

[warm root]

We already have red light green light

[royal crow]

"win and you get freedom"

actually not a bad idea for a spin off or some sort

[eternal talon]

Win and you get a yacht.
(But you are still underground)

[royal crow]

[warm root]

A yacht that you will never get to use 😆

[royal crow]

a free trip to destination

[eternal talon]

An all expenses paid trip to the afterlife

[lilac island]

Do u want to be a scout or shooter

Or big shooter

[eternal talon]

I seriously doubt it's up to the host's choice

But the idea of fucking up somebody's day as a scout is something I cannot pass on.

It's like playing as a boomer in L4D2 Versus and getting the whole squad biled

In versus style games I always love the chip damage -- annoying ass characters that the enemy team can never hit. Stuff like ranged artillery/snipers.

There is a reason Spitter is my most played infected in that game aswell

But gtfo doesn't really have any enemies like that

It's far too in your face

[burnt wren]

Anyone remembers dead space 2 pvp?

[formal ember]

Shooters 5000 km away from you, in spicy fog that you cant see through and chipping away your hp?

[eternal talon]

3-tentacled babies on the roof mvp

It's been like a decade since I last played that game on 360.

[eternal talon]

If I were ever to make that sort of enemy in gtfo for my overhaul mod, it'd probably be something like a bracken from lethal company, so it's still melee oriented like most vanilla sleepers

[lilac island]

What are we actually doing with the terminal commands in e2

[eternal talon]

Unlocking the door to the kds-deep wing iirc

[lilac island]

Is biocom trying to automatically open some doors to make the meltdown not that bad and we delay it by over riding the command

I don't get how the nuclear meltdown leads to a mental meltdown across every sleeper in the complex

[eternal talon]

Wdym "mental meltdown"?

[lilac island]

Every sleeper goes apeshit

In e1 and e2

[eternal talon]

Also schaeffer is kinda an idiot so I doubt the explosions would really even do much

[eternal talon]

My main assumption would be the noise

Constant warning sirens

[burnt wren]

An earthquake

Like throwing a rock a wasp hive

[lilac island]

The earthquake happens at the start of a level and nothing wakes

[eternal talon]

Given the size of the complex -- one reactor going critical wouldn't really do much

[eternal talon]

Nothing also wakes up when warden radios to you when you are 5 millimeters from a scout about to bonk it.

It'd be unfair gameplay wise

[lilac island]

What

Those aren't sound waves

[eternal talon]

Warden intel and the little noise cue it makes

[lilac island]

That's an ear piece

Not audible

Also scouts are deaf as heck

[eternal talon]

Okay then what about one of the bots or yourself quietly yelling "SHHH, SLEEPERS. LET THEM SNOOZE" in the same scenario

It's random and thus wouldn't be fair for gameplay

Same as a random earthquake in the middle of stealthing a room

[lilac island]

I don't like this

But ok

[eternal talon]

Well i can't give you an official answer

[lilac island]

Sometimes i wish i was a KSO because I'd be incredibly physically strong

[eternal talon]

Just my opinion

[eternal talon]

You also wouldn't be you

You'd be a mindless slave

In what is basically hell on earth

[lilac island]

Like og team does the whole run down i think without canonically going into hydrostasis

They just GO

For 8 hours

Hauling shit running sledgehammering

You'd be a bodybuilder after 3 missions

[lilac island]

Yeah but it would be worth it for the gains

Also frosty at the start of each level where we drop are we just outside

Like that's the sky right, we're over the ocean and it's raining

You could totally climb out

[burnt wren]

Too risky

[lilac island]

Is it?

[burnt wren]

Maybe if the elevator gets stuck

I mean: its all wet metal and steel

You'll slip just like that

[lilac island]

At least you'd see the inner

We still didn't fucking go down the hole at the bottom like cmon

You can't show me a hole

Say that there's a mineshaft 4km down

And then NOT let me go at the bottom of the hole

R8 isn't even deep

[formal ember]

There might simply not be anything in the bottom, maybe the aliens laser beam went deep down below the facility and mines etc

[eternal talon]

Well the laser came from something. If you follow it all the way down you'd end up in the barrel, or in the fossil at the very least.

[formal ember]

Oh I thought the laser came from up, not below

[eternal talon]

Nope. Most of the beams (all except those with open air above) stopped just short of the seabed, leaving a thin veil of dirt/sand/rock above the holes

It came from the ship

[eternal talon]

Just enough so no flooding occurred

[placid shore]

Question
How does ALT warden exist and og warden exist in the same rundown

Did the entire biocom system end up in og universe

[rocky wraith]

same warden

[placid shore]

But it was hijacked no?

[lilac island]

The worldlines merged

Are our glowsticks green or yellow in r8

[royal crow]

OG and ALT worldline merger together

also OG warden is technically "dead" since Schaeffer took control over it

[placid shore]

Well that's utter garbage

Who drops ALT n og teams into e tier

ALT warden?

[royal crow]

i guess ALT warden drops the ALT team
and OG team drops themselves since they are now free?

im not sure

[lilac island]

They don't drip

It's just a gameplay thing

[eternal talon]

Infinite number of worldlines infinite number of wardens.

Alt//warden =/= og warden

[royal crow]

we need the ingame lore explanation

[eternal talon]

Both wardens are in r8, og warden is just crippled after r7d2/e1

[royal crow]

[placid shore]

A good build up turned upside down

[royal crow]

imagine being an alien inteligence and loosing to a human made computer windows 7 virus

[eternal talon]

Lore explanation is its impossible because they can't wake themselves from hydrostasis. Physically or not, even if they set it to auto they wouldn't have the hydrokinetic fluid and would do a maddox.

You just have to accept there is no lore reason

[royal crow]

🇨 🇰

[lilac island]

Well no

You could reasonably instruct the warden to do it

Since Henrickson just hacked warden

[eternal talon]

We disabled our chips. No way to communicate and even if we could, why would it ever help us after what we did to it?

[eternal talon]

No, he hacked biocom. Big difference

[lilac island]

I don't

i don't think i care

Oooo biocom is unhackable

[eternal talon]

Then why talk in this channel lmao

[lilac island]

1 single engineer with dementia without access to google: hacks it

Gimme a break

[eternal talon]

Warden is not biocom. This is fact.

Henrikkson hacks biocom. This is fact.

[lilac island]

Okay

But how does that change anything

[eternal talon]

If he hacked og warden and found a way to communicate with it after disabling their chips, (and henrikkson wasn't dead), it would be plausible that it could wake them and administer the fluid

[lilac island]

Doesn't warden tell biocom to do the fluids

[eternal talon]

Because they only hacked biocom, warden is still active. It's just schaeffer/henrikkson and warden controlling the same set of strings (biocom). With henrikkson dead, og warden has full control again (without schaeffer interference), and NEITHER are on our side at that point

[lilac island]

Funny

Scheaffer got his wish

[placid shore]

Man these are thrilling times

[lilac island]

I really think though like what was the trying to do

Oh we're gonna burn his house down

[eternal talon]

Og or alt.

[lilac island]

By causing 1 meltdown

Og

Like what's one reactor meltdown gonna do

Nothing

[placid shore]

Nuclear meltdown

[lilac island]

Oh no slag

Not slag

[royal crow]

big boom?

[lilac island]

Anything but slag

[eternal talon]

Precisely. If he wasn't dead already, he would have been massively disappointed

[lilac island]

That's not how meltdowns work

The fuel just stays super hot and melts through the ground

That's it

[eternal talon]

Reactors don't go boom like warheads. They are designed specifically to minimize that possibility in an OH SHIT scenario

[lilac island]

Like wow you melted a 100 meter hole

[royal crow]

lame

[lilac island]

Using corium

Great plan

The bedrock is really gonna be angry

[eternal talon]

Chernobyl didn't remove half the valley, it just made it uninhabitable.

Hell, the adjacent town is still mostly intact and is for some reason a tourist spot to this day.

(And still would be if not for the war, Slava Ukraini)

[lilac island]

Dum

Maybe

Rector close to warden servers

[eternal talon]

Biocom's network is in kds-deep

And that reactor we left in a fully functional state in r8e2 so we could make the jump

[lilac island]

I mean

It's close

We go there by foot after all

[eternal talon]

(Assuming deep doesn't run on multiple reactors)

[formal ember]

if the reactor would have a meltdown where would they get power in the facility?

[placid shore]

Other reactors

[lilac island]

Wait if warden is in kds deep

[formal ember]

But what if schaeffer chose the reactor we do meltdown at because it is important

like warden gets its power from it or other bs

idk

[lilac island]

Do we kill the warden

By ripping out half of kds deep

[lost drum]

The complex was destroyed after R8E2

[lilac island]

No it wasn't

[lost drum]

Weren't you confused by the explosions?

[lilac island]

That section of the complex was destroyed

But the rest is fine

[lost drum]

Oh, so I was wrong

[lilac island]

The complex is huge

[lost drum]

Then why did everything explode? Did we damage something? I don't understand.

[eternal talon]

We don't know.

[lilac island]

What do you mean everything exploded

There was a big quake when the teleport happened

That's about it

[eternal talon]

There is a reason I used a thermonuclear warhead as justification in PT.

Nuclear reactors just don't have the necessary explosive yield to do that kind of damage.

[lilac island]

PT?

[eternal talon]

Projekt Thermonuclear. My mod.
#hc-modded

[lilac island]

The teleporter platform was going boom boom because It was designed to teleport people

Not half of KDS deep

You're probably severely overwhelmimg the system

[lost drum]

That explains a lot

[eternal talon]

Tbf I don't think anybody expected it to do that.

[placid shore]

Yep that's why u see the platform and the HSUs wall after teleport

[lost drum]

We saved the GTFO 2 beta testers

[formal ember]

Also btw the person talking at r8e2 ending and the dr in r8a2 secondary, are they the same?

or am I tripping

[eternal talon]

The person just before the credits in r8e2 is durant

[royal crow]

you are tripping hard

[eternal talon]

The person in r8a2 sec is hammerstein/an automated system

[formal ember]

yeah lmao

[lost drum]

Hammertschein asshole, according to the logs

[formal ember]

would have been funny tho if in a2 we teleported to the timeline at r8e2 endings future and because we escape there in r8e2, hammerstein does this thingie

because we infect the world

[placid shore]

BTW what happened to that lady with the parasite r8b2

[burnt wren]

I think she might be the one you find in R8D2

[placid shore]

Where?

[lost drum]

lol

For real

We could hear the mutation in the mother

[burnt wren]

There's awful lot of logs about her, specifically. For no good / apparent reason.

So in my twisted brain i think she's linked to the super mother of R8D2

[royal crow]

the big big mother maybe

[lost drum]

She called John, by the way. Is she related to John Schaeffer?

[burnt wren]

The lads in the welcoming message even aknowledge her existence

[lilac island]

Actually idk if she's one person

There are 2 names susan and violet or something

[burnt wren]

Also no clear conclusion on that. We are not aware of Schaff's romantical life, besides having a bro.

[lilac island]

Violla

The logs about her make no sense

[lost drum]

We need someone to pull all the stories together right away

[placid shore]

I don't think anyone can

There's plenty of holes

At least won't connect due to how everything was laid out

[lost drum]

I'm 100% sure there will be GTFO references in Den of Wolves. Maybe something to do with history

[lilac island]

First she's sweet and just friendly and :)

Then (if she's the same) she records herself after a stillbirth/miscarriage, apparently having probably discarded the mutated child, then she pulls out the child again out of her, somehow

Then she rants to her boyfriend about he's a bitch and she needs to cut herself open with a knife so that she can get the baby(ies??) Out because they're literally eating her

I have no idea what she's doing

[placid shore]

Yum

What an interesting moment

[lilac island]

I still can't understand the audio log

She clearly got the baby out of her

She comments on the horrible smell and that it was a freak

So she clearly saw it

And then she goes "HUH. IT'S BEEN IN THERE FOR A WHILE "

Better pull it out

?????

[placid shore]

Did the log say anything bout her bf having an unusual body

[lilac island]

The only logic that applies are twins

I don't think so

[placid shore]

Tank is not the father

[lilac island]

Lmfao

[placid shore]

Many "magical" moments

[lilac island]

Pablo's the dad

He can't be biotracked because he dodges child support

Can't catch pablo

[placid shore]

💀

[formal ember]

'Bio'tracked

reference??

[placid shore]

Pablo can be pinged for 3 secs only

[formal ember]

Not if I edit the files he cant

[lilac island]

Ok

They're not the same woman

The audio log woman says john and the other one says jams

James

They are different women

[burnt wren]

Weird

So i guess its confirmed then? all the mothers we find are pregnant women, one way ro another?

I gotta say: that's... A decent amount.

Even for a complex this big.

[formal ember]

We find like under 20 of them all rundowns?

Not that much tbh

[burnt wren]

Why would you... Oh... What if it was a way to get out? Mothernal leave and maybe they will let you leave the god-forsaken hole?
Unless it was unintentional, of course, and nam-parasite team got something to do with it.

[lilac island]

Wait no they're not wtf is this shit

Wait

Audio log woman is the same as "please cut me open it's eating me" woman

And there's also susan who's just a random employee

[eternal talon]

I mean it's fucking huge. What is the size of merida/the big city next to chixilub? It is like 1.5x the size of that

It's literally an underground city

[burnt wren]

Imho more than 5 is insane already. Just a bad call, all things considered.

[formal ember]

Well the place is huge, and what if the mothers are not allowed to leave for privacy reasons? So they have to stay in the complex

[eternal talon]

Garganta has dorms, kitchens, etc

[lilac island]

Yea nobody leaves

[burnt wren]

All the more reasons to not commit

[eternal talon]

After the exclusion zone set up by Kovac and the Mexican government ESPECIALLY nobody leaves

[lilac island]

We don't actually know if she turned into a mom btw

We know she's basically just dying

[burnt wren]

I don't know man, from a pure meta perspective this is a very weird thing to focus on of all the things

[lilac island]

In the most horrible way i can imagine

[burnt wren]

So there is some message from the devs in that information

[lilac island]

People aren't rational 100% of the time

[burnt wren]

This is not even that, this is just basic things

[formal ember]

Also it's kinda the main priority of most animals to reproduce so

[burnt wren]

Writing is time and money, so you write things that are important and matter.

[lilac island]

If everything around you is extremely depressing boring and tiring then a relationship will provide you with much needed happy chemicals

it's not that odd

[burnt wren]

You don't waste viewer's time by telling him about harder than usual going to the toilet because kitchen's dorrito supply was undercooked.

[lilac island]

Okay

[burnt wren]

Ah right, we're talking about different things.

[lilac island]

Oh what did u mean

That this is mom because of it wasn't it would not be a log?

[burnt wren]

That all this moms-in-trouble exposition has a purpose

And not just random body horror for the sake of body horror

[lilac island]

it's just

It doesn't really track i think?

[burnt wren]

It tracks a lot to me

[lost drum]

How long ago did you re-listen to Schaeffer's strange log from R6D1? OG R6D1

[burnt wren]

Which one

[formal ember]

Sometimes thinking of reasons and lore stuff is just fun 😔

[lilac island]

She just gets eaten alive and moms while having a massive opening at their backs are bigger and have tons of mass on them

[eternal talon]

Moms are also comprised of two bodies

[placid shore]

You Def don't wanna do stuff that has no resemblance to anything especially when you already had people pulled off during development of the rundown

[eternal talon]

One female and one (probably) male

[burnt wren]

I can easily headcanon that its just the first steps in transformation. The infestation is pretty capable, from what we've seen.

[placid shore]

Go deeper?

[eternal talon]

One must NOT imagine a mother fusion dance

[lost drum]

No. He's talking about Warden. I used to think it was nonsense. But with current knowledge, it sounds interesting

[placid shore]

Let me check it

[lost drum]

Also, this log also makes more sense. The clone is talking about his future. About the working clone from ALT R6D1

"To start to exist. I hope that will want our work in hope to end a true, falsk. Future self should reboot."

I hope it's all really connected. Or maybe I'm doing something stupid

In OG R6A1, there are 2 dialog options. It's like they took place in different universes. But that happened before we got Matter Wave the first time. I thought the universes got mixed up because in R6 we traveled worlds with it. Something doesn't add up

[lilac island]

Wkwowieoewhwy

What??

How do you know that

[formal ember]

She has all the information about GTFO preprogrammed on her smh

[lilac island]

4 limbs 1 head

[burnt wren]

I think its just a guess

[lilac island]

Yeah but where did that guess come from

[past matrix]

universes got messed up because of r7

[lost drum]

What was the cause?

[lilac island]

It makes sense if uou consider that the first babies chomp through the back to create that exit

[lost drum]

Hacking into Biocom?

[past matrix]

never specified

its presumably because of the biocom hack fucking up the facility, which since there's silly dimensional tethers connected to the complex...

we just know that it fucked up around the middle of E1

[burnt wren]

I think ALT Schaf points it out in R8D2 pretty much directly.

It all went wrong when we started using Matter Wave Projector in R6A1.

With each use things kept getting messier and messiers, intersecting and shit.

[eternal talon]

Each of the feet are hands and there are two hands forming an arch on the front of the creature. That's 6 arms, so even miscounting hands that's def two bodies

[burnt wren]

(He was wondering how do you know its specifically woman + man, and not just 2 women or just mutated extra limbs or something)

[past matrix]

I think the issue with that though is we never actually see any of the effects until the alt rundown; we know there was a complete matter wave collapse in r7

[eternal talon]

Besides... it makes sense that the moms and pmoms need uh... baby making fuel, given it is repurposing our natural biology unlike respawn sacks

[lilac island]

No

Where sre the 6 limbs what

I only ever saw 4

[eternal talon]

Four legs and it has two forming an arch on its... back? Chest?

Wiki or other people here have pictures I'm sure

[lilac island]

What level has a mom i can look at

[lost drum]

In the OG R6D1 log, Schaeffer tells us that he is drowning. There is water all around, and then he dies. That's what happened in R8D2. He saw the future on behalf of ALT Schaeffer, as he also expressed the thought there: Warden is not the enemy

"I am one of them, I am Schaeffer. There’s… there’s laughter… Then I’m choking. Sinking. It’s water; I’m drowning, deeper into the abyss. And then… and then… alone. In the black. And there are monsters. I have a thought: What if… what if the Warden is not the enemy?"

[warm root]

Is this canon?

[placid shore]

That's interesting

[lilac island]

Maybe i mean

He has dad strength

[warm root]

Based pablo

[lilac island]

Smaller than tank but a million times more durable

[warm root]

That's pretty dope. I haven't gotten around to getting logs past r4 yet

[past matrix]

it's weird that this isn't how it plays out completely in r8d2

but rather is a slightly alternative version of it

maybe schaeffer is always doomed to die drowning or something

[lilac island]

Scheaffer didn't learn how to swim

Dumbass

"thought he'd be taller"

[past matrix]

gets dreams of drowning
believes it may be an omen
doesn't learn how to swim

is he stupid?

[lilac island]

dies by drowning

Yes

[lost drum]

It all adds up. In R8D2, he laughed too

[lilac island]

Tbh he probably got crushed by the water

[placid shore]

That much water draining somewhere makes lot of aerated water which will drown you regardless of how many Olympic medals U got

[lilac island]

Yeah

It's like trying to swim up a waterfall

Was he wearing a gas mask btw

When we found him

[placid shore]

Nope

[past matrix]

he mentions in the log that they're good guys and are just chilling

[past matrix]

also just relistened to r8d2

its directly confirmed that r7e1 caused the universes to be fucked

it just begs the question on why schaeffer is having future visions of him and alt schaeffer, especially when presumably the alt universe wouldn't have been created yet

[lost drum]

I think the anomalies started in R6

Because that's where we do most of our dimensional traveling

[past matrix]

but would the dimensional traveling cause issues?

in the OG rundown logs it's never mentioned that they're causing silly shit to happen iirc

[lost drum]

Don't forget that some dialogs had 2 options. This is indirect evidence that we are dealing with an anomaly

[past matrix]

sure but when we're told R7 has a matter wave collapse and in R8 we're told that the matter wave collapse is what caused the anomalies

also which dialogue had 2 options in og? I can't seem to remember

[lost drum]

https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/Rundown_6.0_Logs#Transcript It's shown here

Variation 1 Variation 2

The collapse was in the R6 as well. In R7, he just repeated himself. It didn't even happen in a story mission

If you're talking about the R7C2

[past matrix]

where in r6 does the matter wave collapse

it's directly mentioned to happen in r7e1

[lost drum]

It seems the same thing happened after starting the generator cluster in R7C2

Also in AX (BX) and CX (DX)

Even if I'm wrong. It doesn't explain the different dialog, or how Schaeffer predicted his death. Also, the clone - he was talking about a future version of himself from ALT R6 D1

#gtfo-lore message

Or maybe I misunderstood that sentence

[past matrix]

just checked r7c2, it doesn't seem like a matter wave collapse fully happens

in R7E1 when it happens we immediately get sent to Dimension

in C2 nothing happens

id assume its because in C2 the dimensional tethers are perfectly normal vs in E1 the dimensional tethers are super fucked up

I can't find it being mentioned in AX either?

[lost drum]

In C2, we'll be teleported right away too

[past matrix]

we don't get teleported right away because of the collapse though

we use the perfectly normal tethers to purposefully teleport to dimension

[eternal talon]

Some of the sleepers have fully modeled genitals.

my eyes...

[lost drum]

https://youtu.be/QRnPgToAWlY?si=P9PktDQM-pogAymR

1:29:07

It doesn't look like it was planned

It says MATTER WAVE COLLAPSE IMMINENT

I think Matter wave collapse is moving between dimensions without using a teleporter. It's happened many times

Including the R6

[past matrix]

it was purposeful

we go to alpha 6 to download genome data, no?

[lost drum]

A collapse is a collapse. Just because Warden found a way to use it doesn't change anything

[past matrix]

but we use the tethers to do so

like i said, id imagine the key difference is in C2 we purposefully teleported there with stable tethers vs in E1 when the complex is super fucked and we teleport there with extremely unstable tethers

[past matrix]

also 99% sure the variations in this were added in alt rundown 6

im not too sure but given i remember 0 discussion about og r6 having variations (nor could i even find any mention of it in the discord seraching back)

and that the variations were added to the wiki a month ago

[lost drum]

That's a fact. I was playing back then

[burnt wren]

Can i add:

Its very annoying to me that you can't steal Schaeffer's look. I really like it, but unfortunately his colour pallete is custom.

He uses SMC Cut set, and his colours are mostly Santonian Vestis, EXCEPT For a blue torso which looks very good in combo with whites and yellows.

Even weirder that BOTH versions have this exact pallete.

[past matrix]

huh, yeah just checked

weird

[lost drum]

I think only the writer will answer whether the alt universe happened because of the events of R7 or R6

[past matrix]

either it was more shit writing or the variations don't matter

[lost drum]

If anyone knows the answer, it's @eternal talon

What do you think the ALT universe happened because of? Did it start in R6? Why do some dialogs in OG R6 have different options?

Did Schaeffer really predict his death in OG R6? #gtfo-lore message

Did the clone really talk about his future from ALT R6? #gtfo-lore message

[past matrix]

yeah @eternal talon answer rn

your name is #gtfo-lore you should know all the lore answers

like is unit 22 the mimic

https://tenor.com/view/troll-troll-face-gif-25116980

[lost drum]

I'm just interested in her opinion. I didn't mean she has to know everything. She's just better at it

[eternal talon]

I'm at work so you can wait

You don't give me paychecks

[royal crow]

bet

[eternal talon]

what was the first question?

my thoughts are all the way back from insight's first experiments, losing an entire wing of their lab. -- i'm not sure why some are different.

huh... it seems like it.

its too garbled to make anything out that is concrete

[eternal talon]

it was.

[finite vine]

u got a pic of schaeffer? i have not seen him yet

[cold sphinx]

because of the properties that the MWP holds

we choosed to teleport via the warp gate

[gilded vine]

He basically looks like the corpses in r4d2 but with prisoner drip

[lilac island]

those aint humans those are ksos

they probably were grown in tubes en masse

[burnt wren]

He does have a proper face though. Pretty much as i imagined.

[drowsy roost]

Yes

As an aside — love to get everyone's 2 cents on this https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/Understanding_the_lore_of_GTFO

[lilac island]

It is commonly held that Rundown 8.0 exists within a collapsed state of multiple timelines — but for the avoidance of doubt, any logs contained within are considered part of the original worldline.

i am unsure of this because the glow sticks are yellow, indicating that we're in the alt universe, also alt scheaffer talks to og and says like "did you use the MWP to get here? that would explain all the anomalies-"

[burnt wren]

I don't know how much we truly can trust yellow glowsticks, but it does appear that what happened is that the OG team fused into ALT team's timeline and not the other way around

[drowsy roost]

Ah, yeah the glowsticks. It was discussed previously and it made sense that R8 is OG, since the logs would conflict with the ALT logs.

[burnt wren]

OG team is the anomaly, everything else is pure ALT

[lost drum]

In the extra tasks, the glowsticks are green

Secondary/overload

[drowsy roost]

Reasons why its OG

• The repeated logs are all OG
• OG Schaeff can control the Warden
  Reasons why its ALT
• ???
• Glowsticks

[lilac island]

wait wait what

[lost drum]

I don't remember which ones. But I definitely remember at certain points (Maybe in a dimension?), the glowsticks were green.

I'll try to take screenshots later

[lilac island]

Maybe it was a2 sec which is a whole other débâcle

I like the ending of a2 secondary where you just die in the gutter surrounded by disgusting tumors and tentacles

Gtfo moment

"I feel like being a good prisoner today, let's do secondary and help the warden"

[lilac island]

Maybe it is just best to describe it as a combination of alt and OG and leave it at that?

Just say like "R8 has definiting aspects of both worldlines, it's a combination of the two"

[drowsy roost]

Well, I think thematically it is, but in terms of the logs, OG?

What else would be ALT?

[lilac island]

no idea

When you say in terms of logs do you mean if the logs belonged in OG timeline before the merge

Wasn't there a log that existed twice in r8

[burnt wren]

Maybe it is just an unholy amalgmation of both

[lilac island]

Yeah

[burnt wren]

It also explains various anomalies

Like broken shadows all over the place

[lilac island]

:p

[burnt wren]

(i still think its just a technical issue on devs part, but eh... excuse is an excuse)

[drowsy roost]

Plus there's a few dead quads around, so it does make sense if its 'multiple worldlines collapsing'

Incl. the guys on the upside down ceilling...

[burnt wren]

Riiiight

[lilac island]

Yeah true

[burnt wren]

B1 was such a fucking weird one

[lilac island]

The blue quad

[burnt wren]

And it never got expanded

Just a one time thing

Do we see those nightmarish ceiling faces ever again?

[lilac island]

I should start paying actual attention to the game around me instead of going haha BONK

I miss so much lore

[burnt wren]

I should replay it

[drowsy roost]

Yeah, I was thinking that too. I wonder how much was environmental storytelling that I missed because it's dark, yo.

[burnt wren]

Aesthetics and atmosphere were top nothc on that

Which is an anomaly for this game, lmao

[drowsy roost]

Oh yeah, they nailed it.

[lilac island]

Also if you don't mind me derailing the conversation

After d1 Scheaffer is dead and yet the warden continues to help the alt quad, can't we then reasonably assume that it was acting for our best interests

Or at least it considered our interests

[drowsy roost]

Yes, I think so. Frostty made a good point about that — we don't know the collector's motivates, and they either want to help, or they want us out of the way.

[lilac island]

Also it turned off fatality prediction

[drowsy roost]

I think they want to help, but either interpretation is fine for the ending

[lilac island]

He's sucha sweetheart

He doesn't want us to know we have exactly a 8.51% chance of survival

That would make us sad

So he just turns it off

[eternal talon]

One of the logs in r8 mention the time in destination being over 100x1, but we know in og it is 80x1

[cold sphinx]

real

[drowsy roost]

Blargh yes — it's 2CB-5U8-DBK in both R7 and R8. In R7 its 85x and R8 its 115x... Not sure what that means, but it would imply A2 isn't OG...

All the other details are correct. I just want to believe its a continuity mistake... Not sure what it means.

[formal ember]

@lilac island do you know what happened to caballitodiablo? He was here talking a lot last night but now they are gone

[lilac island]

who?

[formal ember]

This guy

[lilac island]

oh him

i have no clue whatsoever

was he rude i didn't notice

[placid shore]

he was fine unless some staff didnt like him

[formal ember]

Yeah, because I cant find chat history with search also idk

[cold sphinx]

well

he was being a lil rude last time i was here

[formal ember]

He was talking a ton yesterday and when I woke up he gone

[cold sphinx]

u gon be next lil bro

[lilac island]

guess he wasn't rude to me so i didn't realize

[cold sphinx]

[formal ember]

Thanks 👍

(irl right?)

[cold sphinx]

@eternal talon now that i noticed

also R8A1 had dead teams as well

in the big puddle

[amber kettle]

I got a question in ||R8D2||
Which ||Schaeffer|| ||killed|| the other ||Scaheffer||?

[warm root]

OG killed ALT and then we killed OG by drowning him

[burnt wren]

You can also drown both if you initiate flooding before they finish their dialogue

[warm root]

Yeah we're pretty evil overall

I mean there's no other way

[burnt wren]

ALT Schaeffer even got his custom pleas for help that only play if he's still alive

I remember him saying "What have they done?..."

[amber kettle]

but I wonder

how the ||OG team|| know ||Schaeffer|| was in the ||cooling tanks room||?

[burnt wren]

I'm not sure they do

[warm root]

Well it might be because Henrikkson warned them that Schaeffer would want to cause a meltdown and the cooling tanks would be where he'd be at

[amber kettle]

also where did Henrikkson go?

[warm root]

He got killed

[amber kettle]

by ||Schaeffer||?

[warm root]

You can hear Schaeffer in R8B3 mention him but then realized what he'd done, and you can guess from there what he did

Yes

[burnt wren]

You can also find Henrikson's ID next to a convinient bloody pipe

[cold sphinx]

OG chased OG Schaffer

To stop him from starting the meltdown completely

[amber kettle]

can you tell exactly where it is?

[burnt wren]

Unfortunately no, i haven't seen it myself, but i've seen screenshots. Apparently its somewhere in either B4 or C1?

Could be that its in the room i never got to go to.

[amber kettle]

I wanna see

[cold sphinx]

Its B3 ig

Cause he aint here in B4 definitely

[burnt wren]

#gtfo-lore message the ID

#gtfo-lore message the pipe

[warm root]

Frosty confirmed it wasn't his ID tho

[burnt wren]

Oh really? Fascinating.

[cold sphinx]

Yeah

[burnt wren]

Then whose is it? Who else could it possibly be?

[cold sphinx]

Another one tryna stop Schaffer perhaps

[burnt wren]

Its too convinient to not be Hen

I'd sooner believe devs just forgot his ID

[amber kettle]

I couldn't tell if that's Henrikson either

[eternal talon]

Wasn't me, was somebody else in the chat at the time. ID # doesn't match

Compared it with all henrikkson ID # in the excel log

[burnt wren]

You did say it was close though. How close? 1 symbol? Potential typo?

Also the EXCEL log is ALT log and Henrikson is an OG creature, so that could be accounted for

[eternal talon]

No, a letter turning into a number. Too far on the keyboard for a typo

I don't recall specifics. You could probably dig for it in the channel

I took like a dozen pics in freecam trying to get a better look at it lol

[cold sphinx]

R8A1 i only found woods and who was it dead bodies on the big puddle and the plants

Weird that we really dont have a reaction to these deaths

[cobalt mulch]

ceiling bishop is watching you ||***||

[cold sphinx]

[lilac island]

bruh i need to hear this

naaah

that is so sad

[lilac island]

yeah i don't see a henrikson on there

[burnt wren]

Look at that half of a face

That chad physique could only belong to someone named Hendrikson

Why would it be a random shmuck

I swear i've seen that photo before to

He looks like young Arnold or something...

[placid shore]

dark emperor has it uploaded on his channel

[placid shore]

or someone from the yakuza series

[lilac island]

whoopsies

[drowsy roost]

The OG and ALT team don't appear within the 000 log, as far as I know anyway.

Their known designations aren't in the data.

For that reason, I think the name badge is meant to be Henrikson's

But you'd think they'd make that clearer... since all the numbers don't resemble any data we've seen previously.

(I found the texture, but the screenshot is pretty much all there is to it, so hard to tell if the numbes matter or just some artish smashing the keyboard)

[harsh saffron]

Tbf in normal gameplay you can barely read what's on the badge and the context clearly connects this scene to Henriksons death.

[drowsy roost]

My interpretation also.

[harsh saffron]

We could also go with: They made an ID to have access to everything, so all the numbers on it are made up anyway.

[lost drum]

Found the most informative plot log in the history of GTFO. I think it will answer a lot of questions

[lilac island]

when you accidentally start a video instead of taking a photo for the 3rd time in a row

[royal crow]

idk why but i love this so much
that fuck has a lot of emotion into it

and like

🫃

[burnt wren]

For some reasons i really vibe with the way he says "you better get out of there" when you finish secondary in R8B4.

[lilac island]

yeah it's great

it's very sobering

[burnt wren]

His akward realization of "oh... you uh... you're gonna get kaboom'd"

[lilac island]

like even the manic completely out of it scheaffer recognizes the danger

[burnt wren]

And how unsure he sounds of what he's doing

Have you tried doing B4 main only?

[lilac island]

ye

[burnt wren]

TRATOORS

[royal crow]

he gets angy

very angy

[lilac island]

IM IN CONTROL
i AM IN CONTROL
I, AM, IN CONTROL, PRISONERS! I-I AM IN CONTROL, I!! AM IN CONTROL!!

[burnt wren]

I really liked R8C1, i should replay it again.

The finale is so emotional