gtfo-lore

[wary portal]

Ive been thinking

[royal crow]

what have you been thinking

[past matrix]

i just realized we never got an answer to why r3c1 magically changed itself

[wary portal]

Ive been thinking, if warden tasked us to kill the daylight mission soldiers then the warden wants the virus to spread or roam around

Instead of holding the WHO prisoners and use them ass ressource

[past matrix]

the Warden probably viewed them as too much of a variable

daylight mission soldiers somehow fuck with anything (lets say they fuck with one of the elevators) then that makes everything exponentially harder

[rose cradle]

gonna pull one out of my ass and say it’s some matter wave projector type bs, but yeah there’s never a definitive reason as to why it’s changed

[stone vine]

oh yeah

it’s some artifact be

bs***

woooo scary artifacts teleporting

notice how it teleported the level coincidentally called alpha 💀

probs just a whole like idea for their multiple universe storyline so atleast that might have been consistent

[burnt wren]

I suppose the R8A2 log has been posted already?

[cold sphinx]

ye

by @honest merlin

was very scuffed to get it but bought enough time for it

[drowsy roost]

I checked the log and it was the WRDN who sent the quad, not just Biocom. Which as you say, would imply The Warden wanted them to stop... But why the WRDN cares about Scaeffer and not the team of scientists is a bit of a plot hole. Esp. if the WRDN's concern was also human survival.

Whether the source of the outbreak was from Garganta seems of little concern to the Warden. Unless there was something they wanted to hide which we aren't aware of...? But they seem pretty chill saying "we're aliens" so I can't imagine what they'd want to hide.

[wary portal]

God the more i think the more plotholes there are

[drowsy roost]

One plothole I just noticed is that Connor should be dead — he dies in the ALT timeline in R4. So his logs in R8A1-E1 don't make sense, since that'd be ALT Connor...

[peak frigate]

We can blame mwp for every inconsistency

💯

Something something there is another universe someting that follows same events as og time line something something but this time... connor lives!

[brazen edge]

Something something another universe something something anomalies something something no plot hole

had to do it, was pretty funny

[coral gorge]

The logs are from a couple years prior tho no?

[drowsy roost]

Yeah, Connor dies on June 12, 2055 in the ALT timeline. Then leaves an audio log in November 22, 2056, in which he says that it's been a year since Stokes was taken away. Two days later he decides visit the Inner, where he also likely died... again.

ALT Connor dies: https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/ALT://Rundown_4.0_Logs#EYY-GBB-18P
ALT Connor logs: https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/Rundown_8.0_Logs#AKK-3XW-EEB

[coral gorge]

Oh right

huh

Yeah they must have messed up thr dates

[drowsy roost]

I think that, or they meant for the connor logs to be in R8A2+

[coral gorge]

Unless its some super secret cover up and connor didnt actually die

[coral gorge]

that wouldnt change anything tho?

still same worldline

I doubt OG connor is alive/was

[drowsy roost]

Actually, that's a fair point. If we assume that R8 takes place in the OG worldline, and its just the ALT team who have jumped over, then the logs make sense. Since he was still alive in the OG wordline (as far as I am aware)

[coral gorge]

Oh yeah i guess

but no

R8 is in alt

glowies are yellow

besides if it was in og, warden wouldnt have any control

[drowsy roost]

Hahaha, the glowsticks denote the wordline?

I thought they changed expedition by expedition

What makes you think R8 is in ALT?

I guess Durant is only alive in ALT anyway. So kinda makes sense.

[idle agate]

do you guys know the password of A2 this week?

[cobalt mulch]

pinged on spoiler-chat

[drowsy roost]

Actually no — I think R8 takes place in the OG timeline. When you go searching for a new dimension and access the Project Inside data, the data it returns is the jungle planet where the EF01 mission went in the ALT timeline, which is why the OG timeline thinks its unsurveyed, because they never went there, instead they went to the desert environment.

[spare plaza]

where is the lore for dummies located?

[broken oriole]

are there any logs in r8a2 secondary area?

[cobalt mulch]

yes, in pablo room

[peak frigate]

Do you just need to commit for that room

[cobalt mulch]

have fun stealthing in 🙂 ..

[peak frigate]

If I can land scout on first zone I might

How bad it is

[burnt wren]

There is one that's supposed to be be on secret terminal for secondary, but it cannot be read because terminal doesn't support the LOGS command, lol.

Also yes, there is one more jns secondary itself. It's exceptionally trollish. Probably the longest log in the game and tells you nothing of interest, except creating more character development for Mr Truth.
That room is impossible to sneak - you are very likely to get fucked by rng.

[coral gorge]

Glowies are yellow in all ALTs, and were green in OGs (still are in R7)

[drowsy roost]

Hm, happy to side with the logs on that and blame the MVP collapse on the glowstick colours 😆

But yeah, its dumb. It's implied that ALT merged in with OG (the Schaeffer dialogue before their deaths) but at the same time, if its the ALT worldline then there's a ton of issues with story arcs in the logs. (Connor's death, why the jungle dimension is "unsurveyed", etc.)

Plus the rundown doesn't have ALT:// in the title

[coral gorge]

i mean it wouldnt make sense to give it ALT as alts are remasters

[drowsy roost]

Also true.

[coral gorge]

but yeah its odd as to what collapsed into what

maybe we have a brand new wordline created from many pieces of other ones?

[royal crow]

id say its multiple worldlines

[coral gorge]

hence some shit happened some didnt

[royal crow]

a lot more than OG and ALT

[drowsy roost]

Yeah, I suppose we do jump around A LOT. Whenever a mission contains a data cube — off we go to another dimension

[royal crow]

we see a lot of bodies of ourselves

[drowsy roost]

Indeed.

[royal crow]

so it would make sense it was more than 2 worldlines

[coral gorge]

yeah

[royal crow]

maybe hundreds

or thousands

who knows

[drowsy roost]

Well, a log says they've found 6 million or so "membranes". So definitely a few.

[coral gorge]

We merged with atleast ALT, OG and 2 others

[drowsy roost]

I guess they could be other quads...

Y'know, other teams running around.

[coral gorge]

I mean i doubt they would put our bodies in tho

If they gave them diff cosmetics then sure its other quads

but they didnt do that

[royal crow]

they did it on purpose

lol

[grizzled frost]

Yo guys, is there any good summary of the "final" lore/how it ties up the universe together somewhere ?

Looking to piece it from the logs in the wiki but it feels very confusing

[cobalt mulch]

too many unanswered questions about many things i'm afraid .. the docs and -addendums are no doubt coming soon, followed by some The Lore -final recap thing

[grizzled frost]

cool, thanks

[vivid parcel]

Could you remind me please which mission/moment OG-squad rewrites these?

[drowsy roost]

Oh yeah, that's a good point. The EF01 mission in the OG timeline, the mission team end up in a desert membrane (which we know as ???) . In ALT EF01, the mission team end up in a jungle membrane — the one we go to at the end of the Rundown 8 main story.

So the jungle membrane is already known to the ALT team — not the OG team — which is why the project insight data says its unsurveyed.

Which only works if R8 is OG. In ALT, they know Durant is already there but not what happened to him or the team.

I've been trying to write the subplots to the wiki: https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/EF01

[runic marsh]

do the neonates we carried around earlier have anything to do with the events in R8?

[drowsy roost]

I think the neonates are used to get elevated security clearance for a later expedition... if I recall.

[cobalt mulch]

all neonates are either dead or cancelled.. (that we know of) .. r7d1 baby didnt have much time to mature before r8 (that we know of) ..

[eternal talon]

There is destination sand, plants, and crystals on earth. All of the worldlines are merginging into one in the most fucked up way possible.

I think arguing r8 is "in" the og or the alt worldline is wrong.

It is in both, because them, and all others, are combining into a single worldline

[drowsy roost]

Sure, but again, at least as far as the logs are concerned, its gotta be OG or it gets very confusing

But yes, merging into as opposed to all merging together, I think all merging together does make more sense.

Everything is colliding.

[toxic wagon]

Worlds colliding

[honest merlin]

R8B3

[honest merlin]

R8B3

[honest merlin]

R8B3

[drowsy roost]

I found it odd that these are just duplicates of previously logs...

[burnt wren]

Yeah, a little bit jarring

But... They ARE different

In fact the logs that are "missing" the audio file are logs that actually got changed

...and they couldn't / didn't want to pay voice actors to voice the exact same thing again with a couple of words being different

[drowsy roost]

Looks like they just corrected spelling mistakes 😆

[rocky wraith]

neonates are used for potatoe

[rocky wraith]

We saw the neonate in R8 tho

Take a look at potatoes back right side

[cobalt mulch]

😮

[rocky wraith]

I swear if you look at potato when he dies, you can see the Neonates face on it

it's pretty mental

[cobalt mulch]

so very cool observation.. and damn i feel sorry for the neo baby, i watched that thing breathe after the r7d1 treatment, what did that poor thing do to deserve such potatation

[past matrix]

someone has gotta take an image of that

[royal crow]

WHAT

[royal crow]

🥔

we are all potatos

[wary portal]

Still mad we didnt get to see the ship the aliens crashed on 😦

Or their race overall

[peak frigate]

New game on jungle planet? The sequel

In 10 years

[frigid flax]

What the OG Team doing at R8B3 ? I don't understand the "Contamination Preparedness Training Exercise" thing.

[cunning light]

They are setting up a fake test event in the Complex, to cover the real ongoing plan : "burn it down."

[eternal talon]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-rising-gif-24365819

[wary portal]

Eyo an expedition to the crashed alien ship would be prime E2 level

[lilac island]

It says some filters and bulkheads will remain open because of the training exercise

This allows the nuclear meltdown they've caused in a2 to spread real nice and far and destroy things

OG Scheaffer is such an asshole

7 rubdowns of work and he destroys the complex in literally 2 levels

Maybe just one level honestly, you cause a meltdown in a2 which is the first level

[cunning light]

3 actually

You Drain the Cooling Tanks in A2
Then open the Bulkheads and filters in B3
Then lower the Control Rods in the Reactor in B4, causing the Meltdown

[lilac island]

Oh really

I wasn't paying attention

I suppose

But yeah like wtf

https://tenor.com/view/toystory-buzz-buzzlightyear-academy-training-gif-7910531

Florida man causes catastrophic meltdown in complex after warden successfully orchestrates 72 expeditions

In 3 missions

[cunning light]

A couple Reactor Startup sequences end quite "abruptly" in earlier Expeditions

R5D2 comes to mind

[lilac island]

Did we get an answer to what warden is

Anything more concrete

[coral gorge]

I think our knowledge of it still is more or less „an alien computer thing”

[lilac island]

By the way what's e1

Like it says "time till radioactive release*

Then "time until KDS defenses lowered"

I don't understand

[coral gorge]

nuclear meltdown is occuring

[lilac island]

Okay

[coral gorge]

prolly KDS defenses are running out of power

[lilac island]

Why does that matter

[coral gorge]

and the radioactive release might be some containment chamber

[lilac island]

What happens when the timer reaches zero

[coral gorge]

have u finished E1?

[lilac island]

No

[coral gorge]

it unlocks KDS deep

[lilac island]

Oh

[coral gorge]

we nees to get to KDS in E1

[lilac island]

So the meltdown DID help them reach kds

[coral gorge]

Kinda not really

[lilac island]

But it was a coincidence

[coral gorge]

Yeah

prollu schafer was supposed to open it normally

but well schafer did schafer shit =)

[lilac island]

Busting down a wall instead of using the keys

[coral gorge]

Also that

i find it funny how we literally bust into KDS hallway

instead of the usual R5E1 route

[lilac island]

Yeah

Poor guys

Like why didn't they

Why didn't og wait for them

[coral gorge]

id assume E2 answers it

[lilac island]

How did they get in kds deep

Without needing the power to go nyoom

[coral gorge]

i mean kds was prolly unlocked till the team started preparing for warp

[lilac island]

Hm

Welp

Also wait

Didn't some members of alt team die or something during r6 somewhere

What was that about if both teams are alright in r8

[cobalt mulch]

many many teams active, down to 2 (assumably) in e1/e2

they started dropping dead around levels in r6dx (old name stays, period)

r8a1 has a ceiling bishop ❤️

[coral gorge]

yeah prettty much yet another diff worldline team

same in R8D1

[lilac island]

Ok

[drowsy roost]

All of them!

[cobalt mulch]

true.. a very cool eye-opener going into the first level of r8, still keeps on giving, c2 is awesome

still ways to go but i can already say r8 a total winner, loving every second of it

[bright phoenix]

did schaeffer climb into the HSU in ALT timeline ?

[royal crow]

yes

the alt team is dead in the alt worldline

the 4 prisioners we play in the ATL rundowns arent the ALT original prisioners

[royal crow]

nope

those are the original prisioners from that ALT worldine

unless the matter wave collapse that caused the merging form multiple worldines happened after R7 and before ALT R1 causing the first sights of anomalies

[royal crow]

Time till radioactive release = nuclear meltdown
KDS defense lowered is the timer until KDS deep opens for the ALT team to enter

[royal crow]

maybe

[toxic wagon]

I was dying of laughter my ass off originally in E1 when I heard they need the data cubes first

[royal crow]

i already knew they were gonna leave us

lol

OG team are a piece of shit

[toxic wagon]

I knew too. It was just funny hearing it and then Hackett goes

"What the fuck?. Ugh whatever"

[royal crow]

my favorite part is when we kill schaeffer in D2

and hackett says:

"i thought he was taller"

[toxic wagon]

Also is that new log in R1D1

Just the SMC List?

[royal crow]

i havent seen the new R1D1 log

[toxic wagon]

I checked wiki since I was too lazy to find the terminal itself

There's a SMC list of workers

[royal crow]

they entered KDS deep from another way

they had to power up a reactor to open KDS deep for them

then once they entered they didnt decided to open the door for the ALT team

then tricked the ALT team to hand the data cubes to them

why they didnt opened the door for the other team?
to be fair
there was a lot of risk

i would have done the same and i think most people would

[signal urchin]

I've played up to r8b1 so far, and some stuff doesn't add up for me.
In r5e1, it is mentioned (implied?) that once in a host, the virus does not necessarily require the parasite, as it is able to continue proliferating.
In r7e1, dauda mentions something similar; that this virus is uncannily infectious, almost designed to be, to the point where it's implied it uses (though not necessarily depends on) the parasite to prolong its period outside of a host, despite its ability to remain outside of a body for several weeks. It's also mentioned that the virus does not mutate the parasite; are we to take this as it would mutate any other host?
In r8a1, Schaeffer and Mr. Truth both state that the surface is dead. No mention of sleepers, or creatures seemingly reanimated from the infection, just a "normal" post-pandemic of a virus that is incredibly lethal. Which would then answer my previous question with a "no." If so; why the distinction here?

[crisp lance]

Mr. True truth doesn't have the full picture, all the public knows is that there is a virus, its public info. No need to mention it, as everybody already knows of its existence. As for Schaeffer, he just wants out and doesn't really care why the world shattered like it did. The virus itself kills people. The parasite infects them and turns them into the sleepers we see. If both happen at the same time, the parasite makes the creature move towards other people and, you guessed it. Infect more humans. This also allows for the parasite to reproduce making more parasites making more sleepers.

[signal urchin]

Yeah, I figured everyone knows about the virus. Intel seems to be incredibly tight surrounding the parasite though. The virus seems perfectly capable of infecting the surface alone, as it only seems to need the parasite when it is in these suspended periods with no hosts for several hundred thousand years, assuming it came about when the crust was broken with the Chicxulub extinction event (going off from the mention of permafrost and large viruses from an earlier r6? log, I'm aware this isn't the same, but I'm assuming this comparison to prehistoric viruses was drawn for a reason). Therefore I assumed, as there's no weird response or documentation from WHO or otherwise of this virus having notably odd features (making stuff into sleepers) save for being incredibly infectious, that either the virus alone cannot create sleepers, or the agent which makes the virus force things into sleepers, had not yet breached the surface, correct?

Hell, even the Kvitoya DNA vault didn't note that they're closing due to incredibly aggressive hordes of sleepers trying to attack them, they just wanted to understandably protect their gene banks from the virus.

[crisp lance]

In case you haven't figured out yet. All Alt:// rundowns are in a different universe than R7 and R8.

[coral gorge]

sleepers arent widely on the surface

[signal urchin]

Like, am I correct in understanding that the virus alone cannot mutate its hosts, it just causes them to die after around 5 or so weeks. The parasite is required for the virus to mutate hosts, with the parasite itself being unmutated?

[signal urchin]

Yeah, I assumed so.

[coral gorge]

pretty much

[signal urchin]

So the parasite is localised to garganta?

[coral gorge]

parasite + virus = sleeprs

virus by itself = death

[bright phoenix]

in ALT rundowns the sleepers are on the surface as a result of operation i forgot the name (i think it's operation daylight)
and it's an effort of NATO trying to breach into garganta to see what was going on

[signal urchin]

Oh shit

[crisp lance]

There was a virus leak, not a paracite leak

[coral gorge]

2 things

it was WHO

and they didnt cause

it

[bright phoenix]

oops sorry forgot

[coral gorge]

sleeprs got out before

they already found sleepers on the sruface before daylight arrived

[signal urchin]

So one timeline has the surface of humanity dead from this incredibly infectious virus, the other has sleepers on the surface?

[coral gorge]

and i said "widely" sleepers are only in america

[coral gorge]

uhhh the other has both

[bright phoenix]

noted

[crisp lance]

Yes, this is correct

NATO being nosy

[coral gorge]

i mean we dont know how NATO looks like in our wordlines, we only know it fell apart in one wordline

[signal urchin]

Oh that's very interesting. I was going through the beginning of R8 very confused haha. I was like but this virus is just incredibly lethal, and yet we've apparently only got sleepers down here.

[crisp lance]

The infectious fog is the remaining virus in the complex

[coral gorge]

we dont know

virus is everywhere in the complex

[bright phoenix]

i think the virus certainly contributes to some behaviors of the sleepers, for nam-v causes "hemoptysis, muscular spasms, frothing at the mouth, deformation of the spine, violent behavior, extreme lethargy or drowsiness, depression, and vomiting" but there is really little lore about the parasite

i dont even know which log that the parasites were mentioned in

[crisp lance]

Along with spitters

[coral gorge]

the fog is... just some condensed shit

[coral gorge]

we have no idea what they are other than that they are absolute assholes

[signal urchin]

I mean it was mentioned the virus can exist on surfaces in open air for 4+ weeks. The parasite seems to allow the virus to remain within itself until coming into contact with a host, with the parasite experiencing an indefinitely lengthened lifespan

[crisp lance]

Which explains the seizures they experience when you so something while they are yawning

[signal urchin]

I assume this lengthened incubation time mentioned amongst Garganta staff is as a result of the parasite putting a "cap" on the viral load within staff and therefore allowing for more mutations to sprout within a host before the host's expiration? Or is that a little far fetched

Since going from 5 weeks guaranteed death to 12+ months asymptomatic aside from psychological disturbences for something that is designed to not have a natural immunity is quite big

[crisp lance]

It's not unheard of to happen (this is irl btw) so it is possible

[signal urchin]

Oh yeah but that is usually put down to spontaneous / genetic immunity no? Like, some of the population may be genetically predisposed to fare better against certain pathogens purely due to the nature of genetic diversity; yet NAM-V is purposely said to have nothing like this naturally ocurring within nature, nor engineerable.

[bright phoenix]

but it's still a mystery of how the parasite and virus formed a symbiotic relationship or the origin of the parasites
we're not even sure if it came from our universe if the collectors indeed went collecting before crashing to our planet

[signal urchin]

Oh yeah those guys

My group told me about those logs, they had someone else do those levels since I was doing something else, I need to re-read those logs

I've yet to see a log documenting UV/Chemical exposure to virus though outside of Dauda's experiments with different polarity of solutions?

Was that ever explored?

Or any kind of radiation for that matter, there are quite a lot of reactor levels.

[crisp lance]

A question : Did the asteroid come from the planet with Alpha #?

[coral gorge]

virus is defo from a diff universe

[signal urchin]

Oh interesting

[coral gorge]

ship not asteroid and highly unlikely

[signal urchin]

I assumed it was a very old prehistoric virus that was just as old/almost as old as earth life.

[coral gorge]

alpha or destination how its usually called is prolly just another planned to fall victim to nam-v

[coral gorge]

i mean it kinda is i guess

[signal urchin]

Eh

[crisp lance]

Corpses you see at a Destination. Have their heads partially split open. Sound familiar?

[coral gorge]

also regarding how the virus formed a symbiotic relationship with the parasite i think one log mentions that the virus probably was floating around for a while before finding the parasite and literally enforcing it to forme a symbiotic relationship with it

[signal urchin]

If it was introduced to Earth 66mya rather than existing within the surface for much longer and being exposed by a collision with the surface (my assumption), that's barely a blink compared to how long life has been on Earth, no?

[coral gorge]

thats garganta staff

there were several expeditions to destination

we even see outposts of them

and like nothing suggests destination was the first planet

[signal urchin]

You mean the sleepers didn't build those shitty little tin sheds?

[bright phoenix]

maybe the virus was too foreign for our gene pool to deal with that crap

or it's just very very deadly that the active immunity system(the antibodies) cannot adapt quick enough to actually retaliate

orrrrrrrrr it infects in an unknown mechanism hehe

[crisp lance]

Yes, they are quite shite

[coral gorge]

there is no signs of ancient culture

or alien culture

just a bunch of no longer animals transformed by the parasite and virus

[bright phoenix]

i thought the kraken built them

[coral gorge]

yeah they did

...

lol

[signal urchin]

From what I know of r/DNA replication It must use some form of Nitrogenous Base + Sugar-Phosphate backbone to be able to proliferate from our cells, no?

[bright phoenix]

xD

[crisp lance]

When it comes to realistic virus genes, both CAN occur.

[signal urchin]

In one of the r6 rundowns I was using HEL Rifle, crouched under one of those sheds on a box, and clipped through the world to my death

Then the big flyer spawned and I missed his cool charge attack

[crisp lance]

The kraken seems to be some sort of conduit. At least in my mind.

[signal urchin]

The what now

[bright phoenix]

a virus can utilize double stranded dna, single stranded dna, double stranded rna or single stranded rna as their genome but yes they're all nucleotides (but maybe that only applies to virus found on earth hehe_

[signal urchin]

Yeah

[coral gorge]

it pretty much seems to be just a piece of alien fauna mutated (as we see a lot of them in R8B2)

plus it has a face

[signal urchin]

Like it must be in some way related to life on Earth, or those two mechanisms evolved separately, or in the GTFO universe that truly is the only way for life and genetic information to exist.

[crisp lance]

It houses mass infection

[bright phoenix]

i just imagine it as the mother counterpart of flyers haha

cant imagine how that thingy floated....

[signal urchin]

I think I missed that level, what's it in?

[bright phoenix]

some mission in r6 ;)

[crisp lance]

(You need to do )

[signal urchin]

Let me boot up the game to check

Oh yeah, is there a reason why on the rundown selection screen alt//r1 loads first, then r7 and r8, and then alt//r2-6 ?

[bright phoenix]

HMMM

that kind of detail

i did not notice

thinkingggg

[signal urchin]

Yeah I've not done many

I can get a screenrecording of it, hold on

[bright phoenix]

we might not spoil that for u

[crisp lance]

I only have D4 to do 😭

[signal urchin]

r6 I mainly hopped in when my pod needed a 4th man, I've done all of r7 though aside from e1, we need a good pablo strat

I have asked them to go back with me to do the levels I've missed after r8 though ahah

[crisp lance]

Am I right to assume Pablo was an experiment?

[signal urchin]

I'm doing an undergrad in Biochemistry so I find the lore behind the disease of this game interesting

I have 0 clue about pablo just he's a tumourless tank and is cute

[crisp lance]

Yo, same. Only I did that years ago

[coral gorge]

as in made by humans? doubt it, prolly just a super old tank

[bright phoenix]

i take biology as my elective so i wanted to apply the knowledge too

ironically not irl LMAO

also it is unclear whether the variety of sleepers we encounter was caused by mutation of virus (although in the for dummies.txt file it is stated that it is caused by parasite trying to fill different niche to protect the hive)

[signal urchin]

Here's the load order, it's r7-alt1-6-r8, sorry

[crisp lance]

Does that mean that the alternate universe in R8A2 is supper old?

[bright phoenix]

so maybe the parasite really went to create pablo for whatever reason because i dont think there is anything that is threatening enough to initiate such adapations (maybe to protect themselves from the QGP from the collectors?)

[coral gorge]

i mean we dont really know wether the pablo came from a differnt universe, underwent something else

[signal urchin]

Are the collectors aware of the presence of the parasite? They only want the virus, no?

[coral gorge]

some of the collectors became sleepers

so id assume so

[bright phoenix]

interesting... i wouldve expected r7 to load in before alt r1 but why alt r1 before r7 ... ?

[crisp lance]

The collectors know a lot about the facility, so yes

[crisp lance]

Visual appeal

[signal urchin]

Like they implicitly need the remaining 3.65% of humanity to become infected or die so their collection can become pure again.

[crisp lance]

sadly enough

[bright phoenix]

maybe it was one of the collections coz they went collecting samples of life that weren't infected by nam v

[coral gorge]

yeah but well, theyll die eventually

[signal urchin]

And I'm assuming this parasite doesn't affect the purity of their collection as it just assists the virus, but are they wanting to collect solely the virus infected, the virus + parasite infected, or both? If so, what of other collections from other timelines? Does this parasite exist across all timelines?

[coral gorge]

thats kinda funny we still dont know what the collectors are collecting - wether its the virus or creatures without it. but i think theres more evidence poitning towards the virus

[signal urchin]

They explicitly state virus, no?

[coral gorge]

do they?

[coral gorge]

ah

well i suppose parasite is so closely related to the virus it doesnt matter

and like if it did... why would they even bother with collecting shit in our wordline

[bright phoenix]

in that case fair enough

however i thought that it rendered in the so called "chronological order" since they loaded in ALT R2 to ALT R6 in order then R8

brain hurt

[crisp lance]

Different dimensions, puts them into sets. Make sense?

[bright phoenix]

i think im overthinking that crap

[crisp lance]

Yeah, just looks

[coral gorge]

eh its pure theorizing at this point since we literally no 0 about it

[crisp lance]

Something that I/m over thinking... Why is there a den of the wolf link? Lore? Or just advertizing?

[bright phoenix]

i think it

it's advertising xD

oh but guys rmb to play with the official link'

[crisp lance]

That could have been a lore point😭

[coral gorge]

prolly advertising

[signal urchin]

I am assuming it is because if a human is dead from the infection, it's of no use to them. The cells are dead and the virus is unable to reproduce through them. Therefore, the parasite is of an advantage to the Collectors, as it allows the infected to remain alive for far longer, albeit mutated, and therefore incubating the virus for them.

[coral gorge]

DoV doesnt seem to be in the same universe as GTFO

[bright phoenix]

i mean it's prolly the same universe but no coz the world crumbled in gtfo

[coral gorge]

yeah i doubt youd make some sort of super city... in a world that fucking ended

[bright phoenix]

yeah

with that being said dens of wolves can occur before gtfo so idek heh

[coral gorge]

i suppose so

it would be a weird choice tho, they would be contrained by a lot of GTFOs lore

[crisp lance]

Will there be a mention of it in DoV? I don't care if its lore or just a reference. 10 Chambers I think it would look intriguing

[signal urchin]

If there are multiple membranes, it must, no? The way it is implied is that GTFO exists in a way that everything and anything that happens, will happen, or can feasibly exist, and then some, can be accessed via the WMP. Even us?

[coral gorge]

that seems a bit extra, i doubt the infinite wordlines thing applies to other games

but who knows

10c writers are... something else

[signal urchin]

Yeah fair, I just assumed with the way the Collectors have been portrayed to me thus far.

[coral gorge]

also it would feel weird to be playing a game knowing that everything you see in it literally collapsed in the next 20 or so years

[crisp lance]

I'm currently writing a game that is similar to gtfo and Alien Isolation

[signal urchin]

I still find it eerie I played this game in open beta pre-covid, then come to it a few months after the majority of the covid lockdowns and see all these social distancing memos by the WHO haha

[coral gorge]

lol

GTFO predicted it all

[bright phoenix]

and there is prolly not much lore we can expect from 10chambers D: i cry

[coral gorge]

i always said nam-v is just covid on stereoids

[crisp lance]

How? This cant be possible

[signal urchin]

?

[coral gorge]

the game has been up since like 2019

[crisp lance]

Also where is that beta?

[coral gorge]

which is pre covid unless im delusional

[signal urchin]

I played nov 2019, my country didn't have an official lockdown til like march 2020?

[bright phoenix]

i regret so much that i didnt get into this game earlier

[coral gorge]

I think most countries lockedown around march 2020

[signal urchin]

No clue, I think a buddy just chucked me a steam key in 2019 and said I'd like it

[bright phoenix]

yeah the virus was originally founded in dec 2019 but major breakout occurs 1-2 months later

[coral gorge]

pretty sure its unavailable anymore

[signal urchin]

Yeah I just still have it in my library ahah

[coral gorge]

virus being founded is such a funny expression to me

[crisp lance]

NNNNNnnnnnnnnooooooooooooo!!!

[bright phoenix]

[signal urchin]

Has anyone got a population count for this 96.35% by the way? Do we just extrapolate off a generic pop. count graph or was it actually mentioned in a log

Curious

[crisp lance]

I don't look THAT deeply into the lore

[bright phoenix]

it''s hard to imagine the population count for 205X

[coral gorge]

as in do we know how many people were alive when the outbreak happened? i dont think so

[bright phoenix]

maybe i can find something in states of truth

[signal urchin]

Like I know there are genetic estimates for ~9bn in 2045 or so but

GTFO might have a different population growth model compared to us

[crisp lance]

This would make sense

[signal urchin]

Devs seemed to do their research surrounding virus infectivity so I was wondering if they did the same for populations

[marsh nova]

does the lore get revealed in correct order if you play the rundowns starting with R1, ending with 8?

[coral gorge]

uhhhh technically the chronological order is R7, ALT R1-R6, R8

[crisp lance]

Especially when it comes to what parts would be infected

[signal urchin]

Probably not because you're missing the original rundowns too no?

[signal urchin]

Huh? How come?

[fresh gyro]

R7->alt r1-6->8

[signal urchin]

Does something happen at the end of r7e1 that I missed?

[coral gorge]

OGs, ALTs and R8

OGs happened first

Alts next

then everything becomes spaghetti and we get R8

[coral gorge]

we break free from the warden

or atleast the og squad

[signal urchin]

Yeah I did r7d2

[crisp lance]

The whole multiverse thing hurts my brain

[bright phoenix]

yeah it seem to came outta absolutely nowhere from the og lore despite the existence of matter wave projector

[coral gorge]

then you know the drill, then is the part that is confusing but basically it seems like ALTs occur while og schafer... who the fuck knows what hes doing but he reapers in R8

[signal urchin]

Did he re-enter HSU between r7 and 8?

Seems very different

[coral gorge]

i wish we knew

[coral gorge]

he is more mentally deranged yes

[fresh gyro]

He's off testing drugs

[coral gorge]

but that could just be him spending more time in the complex

[bright phoenix]

wait do we know whether alt schaeffer wentt into a hsu in alt timeline ?

[coral gorge]

as in was ever in one

[fresh gyro]

Yes

[bright phoenix]

oh... nvm then

[coral gorge]

or enter one after breaking code

[bright phoenix]

coz i was thinking he seemed sane in alt timeline so he prolly didnt went into an hsu
which means he found food
which means the destiny of the human species basically depends on whether a random ass employee put food everywhere and schaeffer found it
so eat well guys

[coral gorge]

so

og schafer goes insane not cause of hsus

but prolyl just of an unhealthy obsession with the warden

and his predispositions

we know og schafer had a lower position than ALT

[bright phoenix]

i think the hsu causes some people to be different and it tends to being violent

the red alpha mission failed because the astronauts that came out of HSU fought each other to death

and the rocket went boomie

so it prolly plays a factor

[coral gorge]

pretty sure they did that cause they lost memory

and possibly cause of what happened to madox

their hsus might not have had the fluid

[crisp lance]

Alt Schaeffer : I need to work with the warden, he is friend. R7 Schaeffer : the warden is evil and evil dies tonight. R8 Schaeffer : WE LEAVE NOW!

[coral gorge]

R8 og schafer - fuck you all, we are doing a mass suicide

[crisp lance]

No, first squad deals with that

[bright phoenix]

deranged yes

[signal urchin]

So this? or

[coral gorge]

og schafer plans it all and makes og squad do it

[bright phoenix]

alt schaeffer was calm... what was different ?

[coral gorge]

seems like it

[crisp lance]

||Also, the explosion in R8E1 is were the jump gate should be. ||SPOILERS!

[bright phoenix]

uhhh the merging point shd be r7 i think

not sure actually

[coral gorge]

prolly just he had a better brain than og and managed to not go insane

[bright phoenix]

mmmm possible

growing up factors maybe

[coral gorge]

where it was (||2nd half of R8 shows it||)

[crisp lance]

yeah

[bright phoenix]

higher posistion may imply better personality but eh far fetch

[crisp lance]

Did ||the jump gate explode or the reactor?||

[coral gorge]

i think it was planned to do so, so sleepers dont follow

not like it stopped the virus

[bright phoenix]

i really gotta speed through alt R23456 then R78

to catch up

[coral gorge]

i mean just doing R8 is fine

i dont think doing it all chronoligically makes a big diffrence

[signal urchin]

If they're collecting the virus why have a weapon that fired the qgp and is targeting the things they are trying to collect?

[crisp lance]

As long as you get the understanding

[signal urchin]

Like that implies it was aiming at the KSOs, no?

[bright phoenix]

i think it was trying to aim at sleepers but collateral damage was caused

[signal urchin]

If the sleepers are the end goal of the collectors' virus.

[coral gorge]

uh... might have been a measure so the collectors themselves are safe

[bright phoenix]

trues :...D

[coral gorge]

collectors virus????

[signal urchin]

The collectors are collecting the NAM-V virus, no? The sleepers just happen to be beneficial to that goal; it's an incubator that stays alive far longer than the 5 weeks of humans infected with the virus alone.

[coral gorge]

yeah

[signal urchin]

Why are you shooting the thing you are trying to collect, is what I am asking.

[crisp lance]

To create, to brag

[signal urchin]

So I'm assuming that the KSOs were the actual targets but it backfired.

And actually worked in Kovac's favour?

[bright phoenix]

waiit wait i think the collector is trying to collect organisms that are not infected by the nam v virus ?

[coral gorge]

my guess was that it was supposed to protect the ship/collectors from getting fucked by the virus themselves

[peak frigate]

Is there such organism

[signal urchin]

They are explicitly trying to collect the virus, to my knowledge.

[crisp lance]

Yes

[bright phoenix]

huuuuh interesting....

maybe it indeed backfired

[coral gorge]

that would be an oddly specific backfire tho

it was said to target only infected organisms

[bright phoenix]

but can it be ? i thought dr hammerstein used the noise of a sleeper to trigger the security system so it means that the threat was the sleeper

[coral gorge]

yeah

[bright phoenix]

yeah... maybe it wasnt too accurate overall or the KSOs are.. well.. infected ?

since almost everyone in garganta has it

[crisp lance]

Why is there no long an intro scream?

[signal urchin]

Fair

[signal urchin]

But again, why destroy that which you are trying to collect?

[crisp lance]

Too dangerous to contain

[signal urchin]

I assume the moment KSOs leave HSU they are infected we just A. don't always see for the sake of gameplay, and B. there's always less than 5 weeks before they re-enter HSU?

[coral gorge]

yeah

[signal urchin]

Or the longer incubation if we are talking about the parasite, I suppose

[bright phoenix]

🤔 🤔 🤔
maybe they believe the infected individuals are lost already
not suree

[eternal talon]

The log says it targeted places of high sleeper activity -- places where they were actively engaging KSOs. The ksos were collateral. My best guess is the system was as cubix said, meant to protect the collectors from an outbreak on their ship, but had malfunctioned and only got triggered by Hammerstein on accident

[signal urchin]

Yeah fair enough

[eternal talon]

It was changed to the more mechanically scream ~r7

[signal urchin]

I don't think they care for the identity/individuals, they only seem to express interest in the virus

They just want humans to cooperate so they can finish their collection, I assume

[crisp lance]

Then go to a different universe

[coral gorge]

well it seems like humans were in a lot of wordlines

[eternal talon]

The collectors themselves are not immune to it (otherwise their ship wouldn't have crashed). Their crew was overrun.

[bright phoenix]

i agree as the outbreak started already in the ship resulting in the crash

[signal urchin]

Oh interesting

[crisp lance]

Togglable would be nice

[signal urchin]

Do we know if their crew was overrun by this sole short incubation high lethality virus or a combo of parasite and virus sleepers?

[eternal talon]

Something something @burnt wren

[coral gorge]

pretty sure both virus and parasite got into the ship, then the crew started fighting each other

[signal urchin]

Or if the parasite was a factor introduced to NAM-V after they crashed into Chixulub and it was a very very unfortunate meeting of NAM-V and parasite?

[coral gorge]

destination confirms parasite existed before

[signal urchin]

Ah

God damn it

[eternal talon]

And yes, there are some infected KSOs, they are class F. They were kept in stasis primarily for organ donations... for some reason

[coral gorge]

cause that cant go wrong

donating an organ of an infected person

[eternal talon]

So does dauda's logs... but whatevs

[coral gorge]

btw does that imply Woods was infected for a while?

[signal urchin]

Oh, which one?

The r7e1 one?

[bright phoenix]

bro the dreyfus industries is absolutely evil

[coral gorge]

*alright frosty i know you know all the logs by heart *

[eternal talon]

Iirc class f means both Infected and Faulty. He could have just been considered faulty because of his faith not being wiped.

[signal urchin]

f for feelin silly

[bright phoenix]

he still believes in god even now

[coral gorge]

yeah i always thought F just meant faulty not also infected

[eternal talon]

(Our squad is infected though, we see it in the menu when we first launch the game, so designations don't really matter in this case)

[coral gorge]

"you godless sons of bitches!"

[coral gorge]

i mean everything in the complex is infected so yeah

[eternal talon]

That is one of them, but they released more over the course of the alt//s. I don't remember which ones came from which

[bright phoenix]

i think they get infected everytime they enter the complex... but the exposure time is prolly not long enough for the virus to cause serious damage
then they reenter hsu and kill virus again

[eternal talon]

That IS what happened... just not here. The virus encountered the parasite at some point on a distant worldline, they weren't created together.

[signal urchin]

Oh, interesting!

So at some point there could have been sleeper dinosaurs, be still my heart 🥹

[bright phoenix]

the collectors prolly "collected them" and only formed a symbiotic relationship when they were buried underground in the ship and require to survive for long

[coral gorge]

well if there were sleeper dinos then humans would never come to be

[eternal talon]

My best bet for the virus was originally to be a planet wiping bioweapon so the aliens could later colonize them. But with the parasite... kinda renders a planet permanently uninhabitable

[coral gorge]

unless you mean on a diff planet

[signal urchin]

Yeah different planet ahah

[coral gorge]

yeah seems accurate, considering its effect it is extremely precise without parasite, wiping off a location and then dying off

[signal urchin]

That's quite interesting. Do you know if it is noted what property of HSU kills the virus?

[eternal talon]

Lmao, not really. Just the ones that matter. You ask me about literally any Mr. Truth logs and I couldn't tell you for the life of me which was which

[coral gorge]

we know the virus shouldnt be able to surivve hydrostasis

[eternal talon]

Well we know how hydrostasis works, it kills you and submerges you in an incredibly toxic environment until you are later resuscitated

[signal urchin]

Ah okay, that must have been mentioned in something I missed

I assumed it was actually suspended animation, that's even cooler holy shit ahah

[eternal talon]

It's one of the older logs, around the time of the failed Mars mission

[signal urchin]

Yeah I dont think I was playing then

[eternal talon]

You can find it on the wiki still

[bright phoenix]

wait does most of the og logs carry over to the alt timeline

or it doesnt

[eternal talon]

No, different worldline/universe

[signal urchin]

Yeah I'm just steering clear of that somewhat for now where I can because I'm only in R8B2

[coral gorge]

btw frosty we never learnt if mars mission failed due to memory loss of crew or missing the liquid preventing your brain from melting

[eternal talon]

Alt has their own versions of og logs

[bright phoenix]

coz i thought the logs carry over just details different

[coral gorge]

they arent identical

[bright phoenix]

nice

[coral gorge]

some logs are brand new, some are very changed, some almost identical

[eternal talon]

Correct. The mars mission was really never revisited or talked about in logs ever again

[coral gorge]

kinda unfortunate

it was a cool concept

[eternal talon]

*hydrokinetic fluid

[coral gorge]

yeah that

[signal urchin]

And Mars != Destination?

Right?

[coral gorge]

nope

[signal urchin]

Oh

[eternal talon]

No!

[coral gorge]

destinatio is in a diffrent wordline and is like

in some nebula super far away

[bright phoenix]

desination is in a distant debula i think

[coral gorge]

im sure frosty remembers its name

[signal urchin]

Yeah that's what I'm saying ahah, they're different things

[eternal talon]

Destination is a planet located in the butterfly nebula, 3k light years away, instanced in its own worldline/universe, where time flows 85x faster than our own.

[signal urchin]

Oh jesus

[bright phoenix]

i think the coordinates for that is featured in the santonian industries website or smth or not
i forgot completely

[eternal talon]

ofc I do, one of the few major community projects I got to contribute to the solving of

[signal urchin]

Oh yeah the 3 different properties of datacubes required in R8B1. Euclidian Co-ords, Time, and then the Constant/Speed of light?

[coral gorge]

yeah schafer casually dropping a lore bomb of what the fuck the coordinates mean

[eternal talon]

Ehh, idk about time. The mwp doesn't allow you to time travel

[coral gorge]

cause we didnt know it before right?

[signal urchin]

Oh, what was the 2nd one for then?

I might have misheard

[cunning light]

The membrane frequency

[eternal talon]

Every single thing in a universe vibrates at a specific speed. The mwp shifts the vibrations of the user to match that of the target worldline

[signal urchin]

My group have a theory that one of the datacubes we touched wiggly sleepers sent us into the far, far future and that's the "mature" form of them :x

Ah, gotcha.

[coral gorge]

ngl my brain was dying through the entirety of R8 as i was like... why the fuck is schafer acting like MWP can time travel

[signal urchin]

So that's out of the window

[eternal talon]

(Then it also teleports you)

[signal urchin]

So the vibration frequency and constant are two different parameters for the datacube?

[bright phoenix]

so it basically phases u through different worldlines.. ?

[coral gorge]

pretty much

[eternal talon]

I mean technically... there are an infinite number of worldlines with a delayed big bang so everything is in the past there still

[coral gorge]

yeah technically

but its a diff worldine

[signal urchin]

Or a slower rate of time, no?

[coral gorge]

but u cant go back in time in your own wordline

[signal urchin]

Yeah

Figures

[coral gorge]

like u cant use MWP to see the dinos on earth in og wordline

[signal urchin]

Otherwise the problem would solve itself

[eternal talon]

Durant's jungle planet has a slower rate of time than our own, but we don't know by what metric.

[bright phoenix]

causal relationship must not be brokken

[signal urchin]

The moment someone found out how to time travel

[coral gorge]

me breaking the fabric of space time for fun

god i miss outer wilds

[signal urchin]

So usually writers stray from that? I'm not a theoretical physicist/down that line of thinking, but it's some sort of paradox that people dislike in narratives

Outer wilds scared the shit out of me

[coral gorge]

yeah time paradoxes are weird

[eternal talon]

Apparently that's the "nightmare dimension". Sleepers there were just left to cook.

[coral gorge]

if you decide to make one its almost guaranteed to feature a hole

[signal urchin]

Oh so we were semi right I suppose

[coral gorge]

let them cook

[eternal talon]

Yes, idk the third.

[coral gorge]

speed of light

[signal urchin]

Euclidian Co-ords

Speed of light is the constant

[coral gorge]

or was that the constant or whatever

ah

[signal urchin]

God at some point earlier in R8B1 a sleeper spawned infront of a plant which had a similar silhouette to the wiggly sleepers and I nearly shat myself thinking there were plant sleepers

[eternal talon]

Sure you can. Anything you do there won't affect your original worldline at all. It's a different universe entirely.

Your thinking too much of time travel here

[signal urchin]

I'm glad time travel is not a factor tbf

I see some games attempt at it and it turns me off from the storyline

It's phenomenal when done right, but you can also have one (multiverse) without the other.

[eternal talon]

That's one of the main benefits of the style of "time travel" of John titor. It isn't time travel at all really. Just different worldlines entirely that split off to make new futures

[signal urchin]

Yeah it's a style I prefer

But I'm also not super into sci-fi literature, just what I see in games I enjoy

[bright phoenix]

a solution to the grandpa paradox (idk the actual name of it)

so they dont break causality

[signal urchin]

It's a different way of tracking causality, no?

[bright phoenix]

kind of

[eternal talon]

Have a play/watch of Steins; gate. It is the same worldline style as GTFO and unlike gtfo, that game focuses entirely around its aspects of time travel and worldline manipulation

[signal urchin]

Ah, alright. I think the only other game I've played with anything remotely similar would be NieR, but those are more alternate endings than separate worldlines

[eternal talon]

It just forms two entirely different worldlines. One where you did, and one where you chickened out.

[coral gorge]

i mean as in - you cant go from og wordline to when og wordline had dinos, you can only go to a wordline where earth still has dinos

[eternal talon]

It's future-proofing time travel lol

[eternal talon]

Ah, gotcha. That is correct

[signal urchin]

I just want my gtfo x ark crossover :')

[bright phoenix]

yeah you're never gonna change what happened

what happened happened

tbh did anyone also feel like the part where alt timeline and og timeline merged felt kind of

unfit for the story

[coral gorge]

ngl i was ok with that

up until we got to the point of - so there are now like 20 diff wordlines merged into this one

so technically we are in like wordline omega now

[bright phoenix]

wait wtf

i thought only 2 merged ?

[cunning light]

More

Many more

[coral gorge]

Yeah R8 did some funny shit

[eternal talon]

Destination sand on earth, the nightmare monsters in our earth there too, the countless squad corpses, tec

[bright phoenix]

is that why we see dauda and bishop's body in alt r6

[bright phoenix]

oh...

[eternal talon]

Um, no. I think that is just the original alt squad

But could be honestly

I don't know

[coral gorge]

now thats a great queston - who do we play as through ALTs

[bright phoenix]

interesting

[coral gorge]

ALT team? Team from a random wordline?

[eternal talon]

Since alt//schaeffer watches a squad die before the complex gets overrun, and we find that same scenario with the corpses of dauda and bishop

[coral gorge]

prolly random wordline team then?

[eternal talon]

That one log man.. that's what makes me question it

[eternal talon]

I think so..

[coral gorge]

since i doubt we had 2 teams exist in ALT way before MWP shenanigans

[coral gorge]

which one? Schafers?

[eternal talon]

Yeah

[eternal talon]

This one

[coral gorge]

ngl i wish they just gave the bodies diff cosmetics and said „hey look its other team bodies!”

but no we had to create a fucking multiverse and some sorta worldline omega

[bright phoenix]

how did the worldlines even merge anyways

everything is so weird

[coral gorge]

Great fucking question

MWP shenangians probably

[burnt wren]

Yeah, that one never got explained.

[bright phoenix]

although i have a suspicion that the collectors merges timelines that nam v existed and it basically acts as a universe-sized prison for the nam v and sleeper

but 0 evidence

:D...

[burnt wren]

Schaeffer didn't even touch the mvp or data cubes. Unless he gets teleported with us too?

[coral gorge]

we thought warden merged them after scahfer hacked it in R7 but… we dont know anymore

[eternal talon]

So, way before garganta got overrun, insight got their hands on the matter wave projector. They began to experiment with it, and we know In logs they lost people, and an entire fucking wing of their lab to it.

Due to their improper use of the device, and the continued improper use, a "matter wave collapse" occurs.

What all this means? No fucking idea. 10cc forgot to tell us lmao

[coral gorge]

Yeah schafer and henri just get warped for no reason

[burnt wren]

Wtf was our objective in R7E1 again?...

[bright phoenix]

warden is just a computer programme so maybe not

[burnt wren]

Reactor, I think?...

[bright phoenix]

although it's controlled by collector

[eternal talon]

For alt//r1d1 morse? Yeah.

[coral gorge]

we cant even be sure of that

[bright phoenix]

so it's up to us to make sense of it D:

incompleteness plagues us

[burnt wren]

I think they just didn't give it much thought.

The concept of the rundown itself was too cool to pass up and no dev time to get us there.

[eternal talon]

Restart the generator. The ol' REBOOT YOUR PC TO FINISH UPDATING WINDOWS

[eternal talon]

It's not. It's a collector consciousness

Its not an AI, it's an I

[bright phoenix]

LMAO

leads to more questions

[eternal talon]

Same style as the units made by the warden, possessed by collectors, Ala the "conduit" to communicate with us

[bright phoenix]

who the fack installed that crap into the alledgedly unhackable biocom

[eternal talon]

Aliens are deus ex machina, for all we know it did it itself

[burnt wren]

Crystals are one suspect

[bright phoenix]

sadly "the hardware" limits the extent that the collectors can talk to us

[burnt wren]

We have it on record that some crystalic matter fused with wires and even caused slower data transfer.

So maybe that was the point of infection.

[bright phoenix]

i believe since all matters can be expressed as a wave function, and multiverse are basically a superposition of waves stacked on top of each other

if matter waves collapses it might mean the superposition has collapsed and returning to 1 wave function and that is the outcome of the universe(??????)

but judging by the phenomenon of which stuff from universe appear in places where they shouldnt be, multiple squads appearing, etc etc etc

it feels like the waves are adding together to form a resultant wave which is not the same as the collapse of a superposition, it's simply adding the waves together.

combined with the description of multiverses being waves stacked on top of each other, with different frequencies, i would imagine the scenario being more like a lot of sine waves with different frequencies adding together due to a wrong operation of MWP, so stuff from each universes express a little bit of itself in the resultant universe ??

[signal urchin]

Pablo daycare

[burnt wren]

I love being pinged for shit like this

[drowsy roost]

What have we named the "biggest" mother?

[drowsy roost]

The logs implied that they woke up an started to break things — so I'm assuming they were conscious (so they had the fluid). I think the point of Red Alpha was to highlight that the HSU's damage long term memory, and that it was pretty much known by everyone.

Although, not sure if people realised the KSO's were programmed "slaves" utilising the HSUs, probably not common knowledge since they all acted human.

[grave quest]

do we know more about r8 e2 ending?

like some information about the future of prisioners

or fate

or anything else

[drowsy roost]

I think the brought the virus with them and they're all dead, but its up to interpretation if they lived happily every after 😆

[grave quest]

maybe rebooting the generator or turning off it would make harder for the warden tracking us

[grave quest]

And who is durant?

[drowsy roost]

https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/EF01

[grave quest]

whats the project insight

[drowsy roost]

As far as I can tell, a research mission that begun after the drilling team discovered alien stuff/creatures/artefacts. They'd then go on to do a bunch of wacky stuff, which would later draw the attention of Kovac who was like "how about you bring in our programmed slaves?" and bam, KSO's are everywhere.

[grave quest]

who is pablo ?

[drowsy roost]

The Immortal.

[grave quest]

a scientist?

you mean @royal crow

sorry for the ping

[drowsy roost]

Oh you mean like, was it a person beforehand?

[grave quest]

no

I mean that is a user that has the inmortal tank picture XD

by the way , what does durant exactly say when we arrive his dimension?

[signal urchin]

An enemy in r7e1

[coral gorge]

as far as im concerned KOVAC did a pretty good job of covering up the memory loss thing

[grave quest]

Do you know what exactly

Dr durant tells us at r8 e2?

[coral gorge]

Yeah pretty much

[shy sky]

So, the Collectors are using the Warden to control BIOCOM to manipulate the KSO's into do maintenance in Garganta and collect the itens to make a Conduit to explore new membranes with the objective of find a good one so humans can live there?

[grave quest]

dont think so

why the collector would want to help humanity??

[shy sky]

https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/ALT://Rundown_6.0_Logs#8AA-FEE-EDD

[grave quest]

kinda sus

maybe they are tricking

us

where are the files opened for schaeffer

?

it says so at the end of the log

[shy sky]

this maybe is speculation, in one way or another it seems what is happening, and Dr. Durant is already there with others

[grave quest]

yes

but i am asking

whta did he say to us

in the end of r8 e2

he tells us something

[shy sky]

i think these files are the info stored in the data cubes for the jungle dimension

but at this time, schaeffer is alredy dead

[grave quest]

.

[royal crow]

"stay there" "dont move"

"there are traps"

[coral gorge]

The collectors just seem to want to get rid of humanity one way or the other. Durant was in the dimension cause hes team got stuck there during MWP tests

[grave quest]

I understand the goal of the collectors

they wanted us in the jungle dimension

in order to us

spread the virus

and kill durant team

maybe is this why they did not kill us

It makes sense

[toxic wagon]

[royal crow]

im starting to think the worldlines merging was caused by the Warden

[coral gorge]

doesnt explain why it merged 20 of them

[shy sky]

bu to do that there's no need to find another dimension, just turn down the power or meltdown the generator's as OG shaeffer wants

[grave quest]

My theory is : the collectors knew that we were impure , so they wanted us to go to the jungle dimension where dr durant is in order to kill his team

[grave quest]

what traps

[royal crow]

he saw us as a threat in OG
warden can comunicate between worldlines with other wardens
maybe they wanted to get rid of us since they saw us a danger to them

[grave quest]

thats the question

[coral gorge]

durant was there for a while, he prolly rigged the place incase of dangers

[royal crow]

they merged wordlines and guided the others into a trap

[coral gorge]

Well yes, but why 20 diff ones

[grave quest]

no it wasnt

the others arrived after the og ones

the og used the mwp

[royal crow]

because
theres a lot of other prisioners like us

[grave quest]

so the hole infraestructure teleported

[royal crow]

when

[grave quest]

r8 e2

and r8 e1 are at the same time

[coral gorge]

There is an infinite amount of membranes tho, so theyd have to merge all of them

[royal crow]

im not talking about R8E2

lol

[grave quest]

what trap

are you talking about then

[royal crow]

read what i wrote

[coral gorge]

durant prolly prepared traps against wildlife, thats why he warns us

[grave quest]

Understadble

yes

[royal crow]

who knows
maybe he merged all of them

lol

we dont know how many worldlines merged in the end

[coral gorge]

except that kinda kills the warden which i believe might be an issue

[coral gorge]

all infinite ones huh?

[grave quest]

but it makes sense all : if the warden wanted to get rid of us he just easily could send us to a level full of sleepers and kill us but the warden might want us to kill dr durant team before

[royal crow]

nah i dont think all
maybe the ones were he just saw us as a direct threat

[grave quest]

so thats the reason why the warden offers us a way to escape garganta

[coral gorge]

i dont remember - where we supposed to go to durants place or did we rewrite the cubes to his at some point?

[royal crow]

we rewrite the data cubes

to get to a clean dimension

which ended up being Durant's

[coral gorge]

the other possibility is that it simply didnt want to have another schafer go mental and start a revolution

[coral gorge]

You mean what we do in B2?

[royal crow]

probably

[coral gorge]

Then its probable warden wanted us to go to durants destination

[royal crow]

poor guy

he is about to get rekt

lol

[coral gorge]

Yeah man survived for a couple years

[royal crow]

my man living his best life

and then we come

[coral gorge]

and will just get virused

[royal crow]

technically he has been alive for like 900+ years

for us

but for him just a couple

[coral gorge]

although… it would be funny if durant and our team just got into HSUs and slept for like 100 years till virus dies

[coral gorge]

more like half a centaury

i dont remember when his team went missing

but it wasnt 900 years ago

[royal crow]

someone did the maths in here

i dont remember who

[coral gorge]

but the maths only apply to his place

aka if time goes slower there

he only has been there for lets say 5 years

but in our wordline time he has been there for 40 years

[royal crow]

Cubix

im going to send you to Destination

[coral gorge]

lol

[royal crow]

[coral gorge]

do it

its fun

i wanna meet durant

he seems like a cool guy

[royal crow]

destination is desert planet

not jungle planet

[coral gorge]

Ill find my way to durant

cant stop me

[royal crow]

Its literally 2 different worldlines bruv

[coral gorge]

Im sure i can find a random MWP somewhere

[royal crow]

lets say you find a MWP

how will you use it

[grave quest]

you pablo

you are a sleeper

you can just do the cubes thing

whithout getting killed

XD

[royal crow]

||im going to send you to destination too||

[grave quest]

no

pls

sent me to nightmare

seems better

no sleepers

or jungle dimension

[grave quest]

I mean

maybe we can survive in jungle

we can just enter hsu

and all would be fine

the virus dies

and gg

isnt it?

[tame goblet]

HSU's require power.

There might not be power, or any viable HSU's

There could be, I'm only speculating.

[shy sky]

what's the purpose of the neonate that we awaken in game?

[burnt wren]

WHich one of many

[royal crow]

we wake up a couple

[burnt wren]

Well one of them was made to talk to us

No idea about others... Experimental test runs?

[shy sky]

When?

[burnt wren]

No idea when created precisely, but he talks to Schaeffer in... In... R6CX, I believe?

[eternal talon]

You are thinking destination time. On the jungle planet, it is the opposite. It has been ~10 years since he left with ef01, but they have only experienced at most a single year

[grave quest]

at least duran is not hostile ot the prisioners

maybe they can talk to each other calmy

calmly

by the way why is your name orange?

[coarse canyon]

Are there actual logs implying what the current year is?

[eternal talon]

we only have a single one, confirming the year ogr3 takes place is 2063.

we don't know how long since that we are.

[grave quest]

frosty

how do you get tha orange tag?

[eternal talon]

it was signing up for the ambassador email for GTFO news and patch notes...

im not sure if it is still a thing

check "welcome & info"

[grave quest]

ok , thanks . frostty what do you think about the ending of r8 e2 the conversation with durant?

[eternal talon]

wasn't really a conversation at all, just telling us to stay put. he probably doesnt know what to make of the situation. regardless, we brought so much stuff with us it is certain the planet is now infected, so bad ending regardless

nam-v will eventually take over as it always does and kill everything including us

[grave quest]

I think thats the hole point of the warden

if he wanted to get rid of us

it could easily send us to a dangerous level

maybe he wanted us to kill durant with the virus

[eternal talon]

not really, the warden was doing some research in ogr6 before schaeffer intervined and made it replace the asset he killed

[eternal talon]

ehh, i suppose, though he could just send a conduit through with it, couldn't he?

[grave quest]

they are useless

[eternal talon]

also the coords it gave the alt team wouldnt lead there

[grave quest]

you see it with schaeffer conversation

[eternal talon]

the og team has to go get the actual coords from it from the insight lab

[grave quest]

is a shame that alt schaeffer died

he probably could have done something

I think is a good ending

the prisioners can die peacefull

out of garganta

[eternal talon]

wdym? dying of nam-v is slow and painful

[grave quest]

I mean

they can explore the trees

breath pure airt

drink water

and maybe shoot theirselves

[burnt wren]

That's always an option

[grave quest]

even with that the virus would disperse

I mean that was the hole point of gtfo escaping garganta "throat"

[toxic wagon]

[grave quest]

so W prisioners L warden LL schaeffer LLL durant

what about the cure?

maybe durant and his team

founded it

guys

I found the secret

WAR DEN

DEN OF WOLVES

[lilac island]

someone tell me what r8a2 is

when it comes to lore

pls thanks

like that secondary

[burnt wren]

Its a meme from devs

[grave quest]

Can you explain

It please

[burnt wren]

But if you paid attention - the voice thing tells you that you are a participant in "Doctor Hammerstein's Creature Behavior Study"

TL:DR - you're bait testing how creatures react to things

Granted its not just a prank by devs and actually has any lore implication at all - it appears to be a look at how Dr Hammerstein conducted his research.

[grave quest]

Jere

Here

[vivid parcel]

But OG only extracted data sphere key (requiered to access insight archive), they did nothing with coords

[peak frigate]

Did OG team need anything from alt team to give them coords to steal it back later

[dark valve]

Oh shit

[cobalt mulch]

hiding in ✈️ sight

[clear shale]

the ending of R8E2

that sounded like a voice recording to me ?

[royal crow]

it was Duran'ts voice

he was already on that dimension before us

[clear shale]

yeah

but is that a voice recording or actual durant talking to us then and there

i forget did he ever return from that dimension

[royal crow]

i guess thats his voice

[royal crow]

no

[clear shale]

oh

also honestly that planet doesn't sound as screwed as it could be

Plants and stuff seem to be fine

We're 100% going to die though

[royal crow]

[final sentinel]

He talks to you directly

[royal crow]

i guess dying there is better than dying in Garganta

[final sentinel]

So I assume he’s alive

[wet hornet]

everyone is going to die on that planet

because of us

[clear shale]

no?

[final sentinel]

Also pable can u change your username

It’s technically a spoiler

[royal crow]

well

even a D0c pinged me when someone asked

[clear shale]

NAM-V dies off surfaces eventually and based on what we see of the Gardens and the R7 concept art the plants should be fine lol

we will die and they will wait

[final sentinel]

Ok nvm LMAO

[clear shale]

and everyone will get their happy ending
except us

[final sentinel]

that’s hilarious

We need a bot command for it