gtfo-lore

[drowsy roost]

It's funny how close that the OG trailer was to 245_ST-555; https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/Rundown_005_Logs#245_ST-555.LOG

[half lava]

@gilded vine i didn't realize there was an e2. I retract my original statement

[winter oracle]

Gentlemen, let's mourn alt Schaeffer

[cobalt mulch]

🫡

[winter oracle]

damn, I'm now so depressed because devs decided to kill Henriksson and all Schaeffers, why devs didn't made Henriksson learn about alt Schaeffer, so that they can join forces or something

[crisp citrus]

because they are dead

it was just the way it had to be

[winter oracle]

ye but some nerd from jungle planet is alive

I'm really astonished how alt Schaeffer couldn't bring a foookin gun

[plush sigil]

Not like he had any clue he'd run into his psycho doppelganger

I think the real question is how does Schaeffer get around security doors and sleepers while we have to do scans and fight hordes like plebs

[rocky wraith]

secret walls and vents

Arti Told him of a lot of the secrets built into the walls

[gilded vine]

Don't forget schaeffer was also in charge of building the walls

[frigid ledge]

Hi, I'm sorry, I don't speak English well, there may be spelling errors.
Why did we interact with the child in chapter 7 and what happened to Schaeffer and where did he go, and if you can tell us what happened to the main characters behind the scenes, were they killed? Maybe they were quarantined first? Is it worth waiting for more information about the gtfo world?

[royal crow]

Schaeffer is dead

both of them

[fresh gyro]

uwu

main characters are "alive"

[royal crow]

ALT team died at the end of R8E1

and OG team went to the jungle planet at R8E2

we dont know what happens afterwards

[royal crow]

and there will be no new information

the story is over

[fresh gyro]

its joever

[royal crow]

:c

[fresh gyro]

:C

[frigid ledge]

Oh my God, this way for nothing?

[royal crow]

?

[frigid ledge]

But the warden, what is it?

[royal crow]

an Alien AI

[frigid ledge]

I thought it was protocol

[frigid ledge]

I mean, so much suffering and not getting information about what happened next

[royal crow]

eeeeh

we survived

at least

also its most likely we die

from NAM-V

[frigid ledge]

I don't believe we missed that one

[frigid ledge]

But if Schaeffer died how and under what circumstances?

[royal crow]

ALT schaeffer got killed by OG schaeffer

and then we kill schaeffer

[frigid ledge]

I'm sorry that I'm stupid

But where is the answer to the question of why warden children

Besides, what would make clones

[drowsy roost]

R8 spoilers: ||For those who found the secret terminal in A2 || -- ||what was the point of Mr Truth's log -- is it a troll? Kinda looks like the plot of a film...||

[royal crow]

warden made clones

to communicate

to others

especially Schaeffer

[drowsy roost]

And second 8.0 question for those who finished -- ||anyone notice in the last atrium the ceiling is all upside down? In a way that would not be physically possible. There are prisoner bodies too up there||

[past matrix]

i think its just an effect of the matter wave fucking

[drowsy roost]

Yeah, I guess we saw that a bit as the sand and black stones start to merge in with the facility in other expeditions.

[fresh gyro]

a2?

you mean a1?

[drowsy roost]

😅

[fresh gyro]

:P

[queen gazelle]

It has to do||with time lines collapsing or something||

[finite vine]

so I have not finished the rundown yet, but I have a few questions.

1. why do the aliens that created The Warden want to save humanity
2. do we ever go to the inner/ alien spaceship in R8
3. has it been revealed why the aliens crashed on our planet and brought NAM-V with them
4. what was the origin of NAM-V
5. were the aliens using BIOCOMS and project insights resources to find a cure to NAM-V (as was hinted in R6's objective). thats the only reason I can think that the aliens even care about humans in the first place, to use our work to find a cure for NAM-V
6. if there is an infinite amount of world lines, then at least one of them should have humans on it with no NAM-V. So why are the aliens even worried about saving humanity on the OG worldline if there is another worldline with un-infected humans.

[royal crow]

1st:they dont

2nd: no

5th: theres a theory they wanted to find a cure but they dont care about humanity

6th: they dont want to save humanity

[finite vine]

why dont they want to save humanity? i was under the impression they do

guess I should finish the rundown lmao

so why are they helping schaeffer and telling him how to use the MWP to take us to a clean membrane

[royal crow]

if you pay close attention

the coordinates of the data cubes lead to a not clean dimension

they were probably leading ALT schaeffer and ALT team to a trap

[finite vine]

how does e1 end

[royal crow]

ALT gets left behind by OG team and dies

OG team takes the data cubes of ALT team by saying they were schaeffer

then Og team leaves without them

E2 is the same but from OG team perspective

[drowsy field]

Maybe got something. Letters ?

[toxic wagon]

I'd be laughing my ass off if this their way of moving the characters into Den of Wolves

But idk any lore within DoW

[royal crow]

man

Bishop in Den of Wolves when

we need to keep someone who spends his time friendly firing everyone

im 100% sure they will put a reference of GTFO in DOW

[toxic wagon]

My question is

Same universe?

Or nah

[royal crow]

nah

[toxic wagon]

Inb4 gun manufacturers from gtfo now in DoW

[royal crow]

ey that would be cool

and would make sense

if theres infinite world lines

one of them shoud be DoW

[toxic wagon]

That ending voice line though at the end of E2

Leaves GTFO at a cliff hanger

Kinda

[royal crow]

yeah

we probably die eventually from NAM-V

but eh

we made it out at least

we touch grass

[cobalt mulch]

touch grass == infect grass

" 😄 "

[finite vine]

so the aliens were not taking to schaeffer ???

[royal crow]

?

[finite vine]

i still dont understand, if the aliens were talking to schaeffer and telling him how to use the MWP to transport us to a clean membrane, then why did u say that the aliens dont care about humanity, when clearly they do for some reason because they are helping schaeffer

[royal crow]

ill explain later

let me finish E1

[finite vine]

k

[royal crow]

again

[finite vine]

thanks for the explanation, i just don't understand how the aliens play into all of this besides them being the reason humanity is dying as they brought NAM-V to our planet

then they give schaeffer directions on how to send us to a clean membrane? does not really make sense to me

[finite vine]

anyone got an answer for question #3?

[royal crow]

maybe

they didnt wanted to help us

and they were using us

nothing really points to them helping us to survive

[finite vine]

I mean they gave schaeffer access to the BIOCOM database so he could figure out how to use the MWP

so I mean without their help, The Wardens help, we would have never survived

[royal crow]

well

we stop following the Wardens orders

we free ourselves

also

[finite vine]

We follow schaeffers orders, who is using information from the warden to make his decisions.

[royal crow]

well

Schaeffer dies in D2 and we start acting by ourselves

@finite vine the coordinates that the warden gives to schaeffer to ALT team are coordinates to a not clean dimension
then OG team has to rewrite them to the clean dimension

which ends up being jungle dimension

[finite vine]

wait, I get it now. The only reason The Warden (the aliens) helped us and schaeffer, is because I guess schaeffer freed himself and was a threat to The Warden. so then the warden was just like hey take this MWP and get tf out of there so I can keep doing the shit I wanna do.

then that leaves me with these question, what tf was The Warden trying to do in the first place, from the start of R1 to R8

[finite vine]

ah ok

[royal crow]

hey you got half right
the wardens can comunicate beetwen worldlines

[finite vine]

yea ik

[royal crow]

after what happened in OG timeline where Schaeffer gets the warden out of control

the other wardens might see us as a danger

Frosty is typing

[eternal talon]

the data cube coordinates they gave alt//schaeffer to use did not lead to the clean worldline. we know this because in the second half of r8 while playing as OG, we have to rewrite them with information from the Insight labs. (god that 10 uplink sucked ass)

[royal crow]

bro the 10 uplink was amazing

[eternal talon]

we have none.

[eternal talon]

IMO and from what we are shown, i believe it is designed for us to assume it is trying to get rid of schaeffer before he has the opportunity to turn out like OG schaeffer
(wardens from different worldlines can communicate)

but as is, the warden's true "goals" are still mostly unknown. it kinda dropped everything it was doing in ogr6 and just didnt start up again because og schaeffer took control.

[finite vine]

could someone explain to me again the difference between the alt timeline and the og timeline?
I was under the assumption that after we plugged the trojan into the warden in r7, we were transported back to alt r1 by accident, then went to alt r6, then were transported back to og timeline for r8. which means how did the warden survive the trojan?

[eternal talon]

(we don't have alt//r7 because alt//schaeffer never killed the unit it needed to replace and because alt//schaeffer never had his rebellion)

[queen gazelle]

No r7 continues with r8a2

[finite vine]

ok that makes so much more sense lmao

[eternal talon]

false. r7 is from before even alt//r1

r7 is the last piece of the og worldline

[queen gazelle]

?

[eternal talon]

(that is still in the game)

[finite vine]

I think JisH meant r7-> alt r1-6 -> r8a2

[queen gazelle]

r7e1 then R8a2 for the og characters

We play a different team in the Alts

[finite vine]

oh

[eternal talon]

so from what we now know, we play as a completely unknown version of our squad in alt//. our og squad never moved over. they stayed on OG, and when the matter wave collapse got too bad, eventually all worldlines got merged into one

[queen gazelle]

We have to unless this story literally makes zero sense

[eternal talon]

we do, this is irrefutable given the second half of r8.

alt// is an unknown version of us

[eternal talon]

in og, warden did not survive.

[finite vine]

ok so progression is:
OG timeline: R1-R7 -> R8 A2-E2
ALT timeline: ALT//R1-6 -> R8 A1-E1

[eternal talon]

second half of r8 has schaeffer commanding us pretty much effortlessly, and we break free from him and biocom also pretty much effortlessly

[queen gazelle]

Seems like it

[eternal talon]

(we remove our neural chips even, before the end)

[eternal talon]

yes.

[finite vine]

k that makes more sense

[royal crow]

in D2 we start acting by ourselves

[eternal talon]

giant ass mri machine

from then on, we have no warden intel loading into levels, and have no orders at all

[finite vine]

damn i gotta play the rest of the rundown lmao

[eternal talon]

you gotta figure out the level "objective" by yourself

[finite vine]

so cool

[eternal talon]

kinda confusing at times tbh

[royal crow]

🥔

[finite vine]

ok so im guessing the wardens objective is to find a cure for NAM-V. or they just want to research it. it seems like they find great interest in the research humans collected on NAM-V

[eternal talon]

again, we dont really know for certain as schaeffer intervened.

i'm just disappointed they killed henrikkson off so early.

literally didn't even notice he had died until someone mentioned it

[royal crow]

schaeffer says "what is done is done" something like that

and we never hear of henri again

[finite vine]

well we know they (the aliens) don't want to save humanity, as they tried to trick the alt group.
they tried to make more prisoners through the RISE program (R3 & R7)
they tried to get more prisoners (R5)
they also had great interest in the NAM-V research project insight did (R6)

[eternal talon]

yes.
yes.
yes.
yes.

[finite vine]

so it seems like the main objective they had was to conduct research on NAM-V. every other objective was just to access more resources in the complex

[royal crow]

you could have said yes x 4

[eternal talon]

https://tenor.com/view/byson-yes-gif-21730475

[royal crow]

https://tenor.com/view/s-stands-for-senator-gif-26026268

Yes deez

[eternal talon]

we know they were in exile, so whatever it was wasn't as major of an effort by the collectors as a whole.

maybe they were trying to find a cure for it to buy their way back into civilization?

[finite vine]

why were they so interested in NAM-V?
why did they crash on earth's in hundreds (who knows how many actually) of membranes and bring NAM-V to earth.

[finite vine]

true, but they could have just transported their species to a clean membrane

[royal crow]

they probably got infected, everythign went to shit and crashed

[eternal talon]

both as of yet, and probably forever unanswered

[royal crow]

im curious about something

Shadows

[eternal talon]

their security network failed too, since the gun never went off until Hammerstein was fiddling with frequencies.

[eternal talon]

no answers.

[royal crow]

so they just exist

lol

[finite vine]

just cool invisible enemies

[eternal talon]

completely unexplained.
(at least i tried to do something with them in pt with the contaminant)

[royal crow]

not really "Invisible" but yeah

[eternal talon]

10cc have given us no answers to what they are on about

[royal crow]

something really bad might have happened then

interesting

sabotage?

[finite vine]

Or maybe the aliens did it on purpose so us humans would research NAM-V for them lmao

[eternal talon]

we know the gun didn't discriminate. when it went off, it targeted ALL signs of sleeper / infected biomass

[royal crow]

the aliens: we do a little trolling

[royal crow]

thats interesting

[eternal talon]

**Dr Hammerstein,

The trace analysis on the residue found in the shafts after the October 12th event has been completed. It was mostly molten rock and metal, the composition of which confirms the blasts were high energy focused QGP streams, at a temperature that was only thought to have occurred during the Big Bang.

According to the BIOCOM navigation data supplied by Mr. Piros, the streams appear to have been deliberately targeted at areas where security operatives were engaged with the creatures during the attack. The QGP streams originated from the Inner but the creatures had by that point overrun much of Garganta, which is why we see such a wide spread of shafts across the facility.

Interestingly, none of the shafts created by the QGP streams caused flooding in the facility. The streams stopped short of the seabed, except for several shafts which penetrated the seabed within the perimeter of the sea walls, so no flooding occurred. This seems unlikely to be a coincidence. Unfortunately, one of the streams did hit the helipad outside hangar 3, which is where Mr Clinton was believed to be. His death would have been instantaneous. The results suggest this was a weapon. Whether it was aimed at us or the creatures is not clear, but it did turn the tide in our favor. Kovac drove the creatures back to the Inner shortly after the blasts (or the creatures retreated voluntarily – we only have a single Kovac report to go by and that paints them as the heroes of the October 12th event).

The trace analysis has left us with more questions than answers.**

[eternal talon]

**1) Who or what fired the streams?

2. We have created quark-gluon plasma in hadron colliders, but nothing even close to this power or temperature, so how were the QGP streams formed? Is there a machine or artifact we have yet to find?

3. This level of exotic matter control is beyond our understanding of the physical laws of the universe, so how was the intensity of the sub-atomic streams controlled?

4. Was the purpose of the streams to kill us, or the creatures? It worked in our favor to control the onslaught, but we lost hundreds of people in the blasts (though some may have been lost or taken by the creatures).

5. If the purpose of the blasts were to kill the creatures, why? Does something else see them as a threat?

Nolan Connor B229**

[feral trout]

Ok hold up am I going crazy

There were aliens in this game?

Unless we are referring to the sleepers

[eternal talon]

Both.

[feral trout]

I just finished R8E2 and the closest to aliens that I was aware of was the Clone

[eternal talon]

There are many different species of aliens.

[feral trout]

Which I assumed were the babby things we made in r7

Which I also assumed the warden directly controlled

But god damn how much have I gotten wrong

This game has such interesting world building, but its so difficult to actually find it all lol

[eternal talon]

The collectors, the floaters, the kraken, the virus, the parasite, the 600 different species from different universes in the inner....

[feral trout]

Is there a quick rundown of this somewhere

[eternal talon]

Have a read of the "for dummies" document in the pins

[eternal talon]

^

[feral trout]

I wasnt even aware that was a thing

Because im gonna do that now

[eternal talon]

Community resources. Has been avaliable and has been updated every rundown since ogr6

(Doesn't include r8 stuff yet though)

[feral trout]

How have I missed this

Ive just been assuming shit for years now

[eternal talon]

I'd be happy to answer any questions it does not.

[feral trout]

Finallly, I will maybe learn what NAM-V actually is

Brb, increasing my brain

[eternal talon]

Lol

[feral trout]

So all those sleepers in the tubes in the Research Labs were Collectors?

[eternal talon]

No.

If you are talking during gameplay, every sleeper we see in a vat was once human

We haven't ever actually seen any of the collectors or other species Hammerstein found in the inner

[feral trout]

Ahh, I just read that Hammerstein put them in formaldahyde so assumed that was it

[eternal talon]

The vats we see around are likely the result of dauda's experiments on humans

Before hydrostasis, he was trying to find a cure for the virus via human experimentation. Needless to say, he was unsuccessful

[feral trout]

Pretty cool

So I assume that one audio log of... Stokes, I think? talking to a lady who like

sounds like her body splits open, is someone becoming a sleeper?

Also damn, so much cool information and lore that we never ended up seeing in game

[stone vine]

omg

ppmom extra lore

:O

where is that log

im too lazy to actually look for more logs about the woman but i am interested

yk what if pmom isnt actually pmom and d2 is pmom and the other 2 moms r something else lmao

[grave quest]

What about

The final jungle

In R8 e2

Why did not have time to watch it

Any picture

Of what exactly we are watching or where are we ?

Or if we can see durant

[grave quest]

I think I have a theory

For this we have to assume that the aliens wanted to do experiments with the virus or just kill universes the og rundown we can consider it the universe where the virus had appeared , so that might be the reason why they were interested in Garganta complex on og r6 because they might consider the humanity the only specie that conducted a proper research on the nam-v virus but as in real life in order to cure a virus is very important know and research the patient 0 which maybe is the reason of r6 D1 extracting the genoma in alpa 1

They might wanted to find a cure

To create the perfect bioweapon

I think that they did not want to trick the alt prisioners

Because as long as we know the wardens can communicate between universes so when the alt warden realise of Schaeffer uprising he used the alt Schaeffer with the deal of escaping alt universe , but why the did not the warden try to kill us , as it would be easy just unlocking sleeper doors ? Because he might want the virus to spread to another universe maybe because he obtained all the necessary things with the genoma in alt 6 ,.but why to universe 714? If technically the warden doesn't exist there , Maybe the aliens are there or something

Or maybe exits some complex or human organisation , let me explain. In the final phrases Durant told us : you are in a restricted area don't move , you are surrounded everywhere

But why , if they are only an expedition , or what's the point of that expedition then ? Establish and advanced outpost , maybe that outpost had the warden AI in order to coordinate them , so maybe alt warden communicates that to warden in order to "make the preparatives " for the arrival of prisioners or even the alt warden was sent to the jungle clean universe , I said this because when we are in the final of R8 E1 after the mwp it says warden security measures deactivated this can led to three results
-The warden has died because of the meltdown
-The warden has turned off itself because it's mission has completed
_ the warden has disappeared because it no longer exists in that universe

Also the jungle universe is strange , Why are there traps , is because that universe is dangerous or it was all prepared , ? Another thing strange is why did they use kds deep as tp, because we know that there is another mwp zone in r6b1 which is more safe

I think the conclusion is that the warden wanted us to leave that universe for some reason but I don't think they wanted to help the humanity maybe they helped us because we were the specie with most knowledge os nam-v virus

[sweet lark]

im here for lore logs.

[coral gorge]

KDS deep has a lot of HSUs with people and moving them all somewhere would be a pain. After all, schafer did want to get out with as many people as he could

[cold sphinx]

Which one?

[coral gorge]

ALT

aka the sane one

i doubt og really cared

[fresh gyro]

idt og did not care

more like

more casualties = better

[fallen spear]

Hey guys, how are you? I'd like to start reading the lore logs, but I don't know the correct order to do it, can you help me figure it out?

[lilac island]

go to wiki and sort by date

and that's probably the best you can do

[fallen spear]

ook

tks

[feral trout]

I dont remember, but I do remember it being an audio log

you could likely find it by going on the wiki and searching
"Show you"

Cuz im fairly certain the last thing the women said was like, "Let me show you"

but its been a bit since i heard it

[past matrix]

i wish they leaned more towards like The Thing-esque horror

like us hearing or maybe even seeing someone transform into a birther, or sleepers being formed, etc

[lilac island]

if its an mri machine wouldnt stepping inside of it with our guns and equipment be really dangerous then

cuz thats exactly what we do at the end of the mission

[lilac island]

i assumed it has something to do with the darkness since theyre always in dark rooms or appear when the lights go off its still weird theyre basically borderline invisible looking at it realistically without game logic

[crisp citrus]

Completely made up explanation:
The matter wave projector changes the frequency you vibrate at to move you to a new dimension. Shadows are sleepers that were mildly shifted by the matter wave projector, not enough to fully enter a new dimension, but enough to be slightly off ours. This is why light interacts weirdly, and why they move slower. They are on a slightly different frequency than us.

[loud urchin]

ooh, I want to make up an explanation too

[lilac island]

wow this is a pretty good made up explanation

[crisp citrus]

It's all assumptions and inferences though

[loud urchin]

Shadows are sleepers which have been exposed to enough radiation that all of their tissues sloughs off, though the virus and parasite keep their form, giving them an ethereal appearance, and that's why you can find shadows in quite a few places close to reactors

but when you have nothing to work with, you can make anything plausible

[lilac island]

i think shadows are lowkey kinda hilarious if you watch them through thermal scopes they waddle at you in a funny way

[loud urchin]

see also: funny alien cloaking shit or something idk

[crisp citrus]

So the shadowy stuff is just what's left over?

Intriguing theory

[loud urchin]

it would be according to my totally made up on the spot explanation

[crisp citrus]

Makking up explanations is funny

Totally viable in gtfo

[lilac island]

i think shadows being a bunch of small particles can work to a degree because theyre alot slower than normal strikers

could be they cant move too fast or else they fall apart

[cobalt mulch]

funny how a dead shadow will visibly melt away.

[drowsy roost]

Seems like a lot of work if Scaeffer could just, y'know, cut it out...

Finished R8 and oh god the loose ends. So many loose ends...

I also don't understand -- ||After the teleport to the forest dimension did a huge portion of KDS deep come with them? As well as the portal room? Given the virus is in all of that, would teleporting half of the installation kinda defeat the purpose? I assume the comment regarding boobytraps by Durant implies maybe that was there... prior... maybe? 🤷‍♂️ ||

||Also, uh. Didn't the "aliens" indicate that they didn't find a dimension without the virus? How was there one just lying around in the cubes somewhere?||

[lilac island]

alt scheaffer actually tells the alt team that we don't have the virus

which is unbelievable

maybe sleepers don't actually carry the virus or something, i have absolutely no fucking idea how or why

[drowsy roost]

||I thought it was a false end -- one of the logs mentions the incubation period can be upwards of 12 months? I think, given how they just killed off minor character, wouldn't be surprised if the virus came with them||

[royal crow]

you dont need to use spoilers

if you dont want

lol

[lilac island]

yeah we don't really know

[drowsy roost]

Some people have been complaining but yeah it seems if you are in this channel, you know there's spoilers...

[lilac island]

carrying namv with us is a very big plot hole

[drowsy roost]

As is "aliens just let the whole thing happen"...

[lilac island]

we're still covered in sleeper fluids as we go there

[feral trout]

im pretty sure that none of this is really a plot whole

I would say its moreso that we, the player, might know

But our four survivors absolutely do not

[lilac island]

there is no way they dunno

they know its a virus

they're not that dumb not to realize

[feral trout]

Youd be surprised on what the high of 'oh fuck we need to live holy shit so many sleepers' will make you forget

[drowsy roost]

They should've pulled a SG-1 style plot and have us jump around dimensions to find the one with the cure and take it back...

That'd at least be a better end.

[lilac island]

they all wear masks and have 0 unprotected skin

[feral trout]

Either way, even if they are infected, and know it

They probably dont know that the like

couple hundred HSUs that came with us are too

[lilac island]

yeah but still like

new worldline's gonna die

[feral trout]

Also is it possible to survive r8e1 or is the canon ending that the alt team are just dead

oh absolutely

[royal crow]

we die

[feral trout]

Thats why im saying its not a plothole

Its just not a happy ending

[lilac island]

impossible

[royal crow]

in R8E1 the game will spawn 5 tanks

[lilac island]

the level ends when your life ends

[royal crow]

like 5 minutes in

[lilac island]

i've seen people survive it for 3 minutes

with no ammo

then a tank came

[feral trout]

lmao

ya no way you can live against that

[lilac island]

it's just an open arena with no cover

against full swarms

[royal crow]

if you kill a tank another one will instantly spawn

[lilac island]

however

i have to say

if we didnt fight sleepers we have an amazing advantage against the virus

[drowsy roost]

Oh hang on. Wouldn't Durant also be like. Very dead?

[lilac island]

not necessarily

also idk what the fuck durant is doing there

that timeline is supposed to be unexplored

[royal crow]

he said adiooooooos

and went there before garganta got destroyed

[lilac island]

we just casually ruined his life

[royal crow]

YEAH

thats the funny part of it

[feral trout]

the group be like

HEY NICE UNINFECTED DIMENSION BOYS

YOINK!

[lilac island]

yup

lol

prisoners dont have to eat or drink

or poop or weewee

our masks and full body covering stay on permanantely

that's why they're so filthy

and nothing enters our body

[feral trout]

I mean they technically do but hydrostasis lol

[lilac island]

yeah that

[feral trout]

Basically alive for only an hour at a time (depending on how good you are at the sgame)

[lilac island]

but we DO get attacked by sleepers

[drowsy roost]

I mean -- if time in EF01 runs fast. Like 115x faster -- And he went, say 2055, and the rundowns are around 2063... The guy is 920 years old. 😆

[feral trout]

I dont think we are in a universe that we know

At least, unsure

Also, didnt it imply the matter wave projector could technically send up back in time

There is a non zero% chance we didnt just send us to the start of the timeline again or something

[lilac island]

i dont know about that

[drowsy roost]

Ah I mean one of Stoke's logs specifically says "Durant's is some place that is 115x faster." (paraphrasing)

I'll spend a little time adding the logs to the wiki 😆

[feral trout]

Wasnt that speculation from where Bishop, i think, was sent?

I barely remember myself

[loud urchin]

I think that was for the og timeline where he went to desert planet (destination) instead of jungle planet

[hollow quail]

so what if the infection was mixed in with the infection in the desert dimension???
cuz the kraken has alot of tumors + infected starting growing tentacles
so maybe when the researchers entered that dimension they infected the world there as well and eventually mixed together to create a super virus

[royal crow]

huh

were does that super virus idea came from?

[hollow quail]

well

the normal infection came from the meteor right??

[royal crow]

virus

its a virus

[hollow quail]

so what if when the researchers who were infected went to the dimension

they spread it there

[royal crow]

the dimension was already infected

[hollow quail]

ohhhh

[royal crow]

the sleepers were already on that plenet

[hollow quail]

well the only sleepers we see are nightmares

[royal crow]

the fliers and squidwars we see were species from that planet

[hollow quail]

and a common theme on that planet is tentacles

thats why im thinking they combined together and created weird mutations

[royal crow]

well

[hollow quail]

(scout)

(nightmares)

[royal crow]

NAM-V is a virus and a parasite together

also what are the nightmares you are talking about?

[frail vessel]

Is it confirmed that fliers = sleeper, but not on a human hosts?

[cold sphinx]

Nam-V is the virus

[hollow quail]

the new monsters

[royal crow]

yea sorry

the sleepers are the virus and the aprasite together

there

[cold sphinx]

There we go

[royal crow]

those are just weird mutations

[cold sphinx]

[royal crow]

🫡

my small brain is slow

[hollow quail]

but what caused them to grow tentacles????

[royal crow]

mutations?

[hollow quail]

the only place we've seen tentacles constant is the dimension

[royal crow]

desert planet?

[hollow quail]

yea

[royal crow]

well

scouts exist

[hollow quail]

thats why im saying

scouts were a result of the after effects

of that dimension

[cold sphinx]

It is to be expected

[royal crow]

we dont know

they just decied to grow tentacles

lol

[cold sphinx]

The male variant has their insides turned into 1 big tounge

[royal crow]

also those tentacles monsters we see

[cold sphinx]

Wouldn’t be surprised a female variant has that tentacle mutation

[royal crow]

might be just a more advance infection process

[cold sphinx]

Gorelings (nightmare) are much more mutated

Because they are also under the effects of radiation exposure

Such as stated in R8B1

[royal crow]

oooooh

[cold sphinx]

Where our guy Schaffer was wondering boit the opening bulkheads

[royal crow]

god damn i missed that detail

[cold sphinx]

Same thing can be said

About the flyers

But they’re primordial creatures

With maybe hundreds of thousands of years in evolution

[drowsy roost]

I'd have guessed that the flying guys were part of the meteor (and maybe parts broke off, infecting other planets), or they got to Garganta via one of the wave collapses.

[cold sphinx]

Quite frankly not

They are already there

From bishops/Dr.Hammersteins warped adventures

Bishop was literally gen 0 (the first to step foot on that cordinates of the teleportation)

And those bastards was already there (took em a few months to face them)

So you might not be wrong about them originating from the meteor

But

The kraken(real primordial beings)

Gives birth to the flyers

And as before we talk about them having similar stuff to squids

Id too would guess that the planet that we set up the alphas had a better past where it was teeming with life and amazing faunas

[drowsy roost]

Kraken's on earth too...which also makes little to no sense

[cold sphinx]

Yes because of the tether broke

R6B1 warp gate compromised

Just think it as dimensional rifts

Space pockets

Zips and unzips

[drowsy roost]

That certainly would explain how sand, and all kinds of other things, starts appearing around the place. Just tears up tears pulling stuff through

[cold sphinx]

Could be time passes

R8B2 does this kinda obvious

Where youd get pulled back in time

[drowsy roost]

I kinda feel the writers are messing with too many concepts here for any of it to be coherant 😆

Plus bummed the prisoners killed the Daylight team — I though they were heading in a "save what's left of the world" direction with that arc.

[cold sphinx]

Well

You have to have R9 or R12

Just to explain all that

[royal crow]

i think the protagonist were just trying to save themselves all the time

they just dont care about humanity

[cold sphinx]

theres no saving it

[drowsy roost]

In one of the logs its mentioned they were given the orders by the Warden

[cold sphinx]

in the mad schaffer's defense

would have prob done the same

[drowsy roost]

So not like their personal issue with the WHO

[royal crow]

👆

[drowsy roost]

So much time spent editing that wiki...

[cobalt mulch]

damnit gtfo. creeps. chills. (r8b4 zone 160)

[drowsy roost]

Guessing its a sequal to this; https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/ALT://Rundown_6.0_Logs#7JH-02P-EWG

But never really explained further...

[royal crow]

lore

[hollow quail]

AMERICAN BULLETS BEAT EVOLUTION

[stone vine]

not really a sequel to that

voice 1 just indicates a log with more than one voice of unknown identification

the new log has to do with an enemy in d2

it’s a lot about a woman who is basically forced to give birth to a sleeper

log*

and during that process she basically tries to cut herself open

but it seems like due to other logs she may have failed and ended up turning into this giant mother instead

the mom is like a regular birther but massive and can attack by itself

it can also spawn strikers and babies

it’s basically just the only “boss” enemy we’ve gotten the rest are more like mini bosses

and it likely has something to do with schaeffer

and as you’ll notice the newer log takes place in 2053 where garganta was still performing lab experiments where as the other log is from 2055 where there is actual spreading of nam v on the surface

[stone vine]

yes with what we have there is 0 full explanations essentially it’s all up to interpretation

things could be touched on a lot more but i highly doubt we will get anymore major updates asides from an ext if we are extremely lucky

[coarse canyon]

is that really who killed them? I didn't connect that.

[rain heron]

there's a log in D1 of Warden dispatching our crew to physically ban them from Gargantia for the crime of using a terminal

[coarse canyon]

I personally think Schaeffer is both... the Protagonist, and the Antagonist

we are a side plot

[rain heron]

rather disappointing really, I hoped they would uncover something interesting before getting gunned down and/or eaten

[coarse canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/tedlasso-yikes-gif-27201348

[cold sphinx]

Thats all we get lol

No more

[rain heron]

I gotta say I'm still not seeing a clear explanation of how did our crew develop capacity for independent thought again
at one point they gunned people down without a second thought because the Warden told them to, but seven years of further pickling in hydrostasis they're suddenly open to working with Schaeffer

[cold sphinx]

have you done all R8?

i have a big feeling you didnt

[rain heron]

if you're referring to the control chip removal, that happens way after the issue in question develops

[cold sphinx]

1st of all

we have our own minds struck to us

after the first contact

that wasnt AI made

2nd

we arent exactly "memory wiped"

the only evidence of ones doing so is the doctors that interviews Hackkett and bishop

3rd:

the stack updates like i said yesterday

it updates on the same page as anyone has in the whole sector

so if anyone got their hands on the stack they can do as they please

[rain heron]

...sorry, I don't quite see how any of this answers my question.

[cold sphinx]

thats my gather

[stone vine]

it’s a completely fair question

we couldn’t even kill ourselves due to the chips and yet without any removal we followed schaeffer off of a morse code banging of the word hello

all i can think of is hearing some other person kinda unlocked memories for them in a way some sort of free thought when they realized they really had other people around

and we already know schaeffer knew to destroy his chip due to his experiences prior to being taken by warden

he had a lot of inside knowledge from artus about the whole thing and about kds deep so strong warden couldn’t get rid of it

we were all pretty important personnel or atleast had some very triggering backstories and i think that unlocking memories or free will basically stems from having something that clicks inside your head and makes you realize you’re not a robot

really we’re just forced to work i don’t think we ever really wanted to do any of it

what else do you do when you’re kind of stranded with no memory and all you have is 3 other people and a hud objective

i kind of hope that helps

warden couldn’t ever really have full control of prisoners without making them basically vegetables and reprogramming them

really just a sign of hope can create rebellion because you realize it isn’t the only authoritarian power that exists

for even more example dauda literally remembers the sleepers are his creation and feels bad for them and feels fear about seeing them

he doesn’t know why but his guilt is so strong it really can’t leave him

there’s also a reason they’re all so calm with doing any of this it’s because they’re used to being close to death and are familiar with the complex itself

that’s how schaeffer knows where vents and bunkers are because him and artus used to sneak around all the time and he used that path already to get to kds deep before he had gotten in an hsu

also we never make our defiance clear, schaeffer never lets his tracks show and we kinda just follow him

he plans his own stuff around what the warden is doing to not make anything that obvious

👍

[rain heron]

there is that bit in the ALT logs that Schaeffer noticed the KSOs started calling themselves prisoners first and the Warden just went along with that

[stone vine]

yes they have a conscious they just physically cannot go against orders

they realize they’re kinda just doing stuff for someone but don’t know why and are kind of just robots

it’s like an ai realizing it isn’t real but like 🤷‍♂️ what’s it gonna do about that

[rain heron]

that's the thing though, they were basically biorobots and we got plenty examples of that from the logs, both the main timeline and the ALT.

but come game proper they certainly behave a lot more like normal people, there is (cut) dialogue of them expressing curiosity about their predicament and surroundings and even reacting to their Kovac "interviews"

[stone vine]

yeah likely because it unlocks some kind of deep memory i mean you notice in the startup there are error memory files which likely entail some sort of corruption within their programming

meaning the injection didn’t 100% work

it’s pretty hard to remove someone’s entire brain wiring

[rain heron]

I can sort of hypothesize that either they adapted to long-term effects of hydrostasis or the Warden just couldn't feed them the same cocktails of mind-numbing/altering drugs Kovac seemingly did

[stone vine]

yeah that exactly

memories are very hard to wipe and warden likely didn’t have the resources to do that

i don’t even think kovac could have removed everything

you still retain stuff like skills and all that meaning you have to remember some stuff

sure you can target parts of your brain and memory wipe people but it’ll never 100% work without basically turning people braindead

[rain heron]

I get the feeling that "memory wipe" was never the point of it, it was just a side effect of hydrostasis Kovac found a use for

in fact, "wipe" is a misnomer, "damage" seems more appropriate.

[stone vine]

that’s exactly correct 👍

warden probably used the same tactic plus that honestly

who knows maybe warden didn’t even do it completely on purpose

it’s possible that error is literally the hsu corrupting memory files

i mean we know we don’t get memory wiped before expeditions we just retain our knowledge

meaning why would warden even do it in the first place? maybe so people really wouldn’t lash out against their team mates? or so they wouldn’t attempt to rebel or look for certain things?

i mean we all learn who eachother are

[rain heron]

evidently that latter part doesn't quite work all the time since Schaeffer happens

I think in this particular regard the Warden just basically rolls with things as they happen

[wise fossil]

Just going to drop this here in case there is an answer, as I'm wondering if I missed a log or something like that

Do we have any idea what happened to Boris Stanovich, Eric Chapman, Andre Piros, or other secondary characters who only appeared in Logs? I realize that these characters are all almost certainly dead by the current events of the game, but one of my favorite things IN GTFO has been seeing the cast of characters dwindling down one at a time. Gallus Hammerstein dying in a failed exploration, Igor (I forget his name) and Andrew Clinton's failed little conspiracy, etc etc. I realize not all character plotlines can be concluded and that some characters only exist to add more flavor to the world, but I was kind of hoping for a payoff with the Medical team since they seemed to be some of the most competent and well intentioned of all the characters and Piros since he was so notable a KDS leader

So, which is it. Do I just miss their fates, or are these guys all off screen fatalities

[coarse canyon]

Did we ever confirm that warden is collectors? Like what's the resolution there

I kind of get that og prisoners sort of screw over alt prisoners

Schaeffer kills Schaeffer then we dump the coolant on schaeffer

But what becomes of warden?

(collectors)

[wise fossil]

I think it's pretty explicitly said by the collectors via that proxy clone that they are the Warden/in control of the Warden. Makes sense in retrospect too. The weird bugs and glitches in Biocom (like the guy entering the closet) and the way it was trying to access areas not usually tapped into (reactor control) all indicates an experimentation with and attempts to push the boundaries of the system so they could use it for their own goals

Plus, I'm pretty sure it just goes offline In the Valorous last stand of the Alts there's a message that just says "Warden defenses deactivated." As soon as the Collectors had what they needed, they probably just switched Warden/had Warden switch Biocom off. No more need for the tool

[peak frigate]

I have a q. Exactly when og team learned about alt team ?

[wise fossil]

I'm trying to remember which exact mission... B3, I think. There is a moment where you hear Alt!Schaeffer tell the Alt!Team what to do for the previous mission (B2?), and Schaeffer freaks out and says the message must have been a Deepfake of some sort. That would have been the first moment they knew there was another team out there, though I'm not sure they would've necessarily known they were alternates of themself until Schaeffer started talking about how they were "other yous" during the MRI section where you remove the Control Chips

[peak frigate]

Yea but us passing the message thru comms in c2 came before us removing chips

Idk when we figured the other team has tools to escape

[wise fossil]

Probably the moment they heard the aforementioned message. They knew that the Alt!Team was doing something with the MWP to try to escape, and didn't want to stick around for the destruction of Garganta with Schaeffer. So they started sending the messages in Project Insight, removed their chips, and then ultimately GTFO'd

[wise fossil]

Yeah I just double checked. They overheard Alt!Schaeffer in B3, heard him say what data they were looking for and where it was, collected the data before the Alt!Team arrived (hence why it was missing when Warden was searching for it, perhaps?), cut the deal of "we help you, but you help us escape," got MRI'd, and then dipped when they got the Data Cubes

[peak frigate]

Makes sense

I gotta replay b3

I dont remember this overhear thing

[wise fossil]

Maybe it got glitched out, or something else. However, you definitely do hear Alt!Schaeffer's plan and Schaeffer flips out over it. Real "ignore the man behind the curtain!" type moment

[final scarab]

What's the lore behind the dev that designed R8B4 ? Are they secretly Satan?

[cobalt mulch]

i bet satan hasnt completed it main only..

[drowsy roost]

I would guess that — everyone that is not a KSO and can go into a HSU — is dead. 7 years passed between the outbreak in Garganta and the start of GTFO. There was a log called 000-000-000 and it's a giant spreadsheet of 30k names — if you do some database magic on it, you find that everyone who is not a KSO is either "unknown" or "deceased"

The spreadsheet is very old, but I wonder if any of membrane ID's correspond to the R8 ones...

I assume "unknown" means that they've become a sleeper — or maybe jumped between dimensions — or just dead and otherwise untraceable.

[drowsy roost]

I've been thinking about this — There was mention that the KSO's could retain some memory (instinct) like using the C-Foam to seal doors — which was behaviour that was not imprinted on them. But I think its simpler than that, the Warden gives objectives and the KSO's follow and one of objective was blocked by Schaeffer, so helping him would let them complete the objective. But it does feel like a plot hole, not sure that applies to every interaction...

[wise fossil]

Figures. I would have expected the same, as even Nolan and other survivors who were entering HSUs probably WEREN'T in the KDS Deep chamber (as you can have HSUs separate from it, and we know from gameplay that even in its WORST states Garganta's security system made sure people couldn't access sections they weren't cleared for), Logs indicate that Nolan and anyone who survived the past few years probably died in a suicide mission against the Inner Kraken, and Sundown/The WHO team didn't encounter any survivors before they bumped into the Team

I more was wondering if we got a definite conclusion to the mini-plotlines of things like the fate of Howard Stokes (though him being dead is virtually guaranteed) or if Eric became friends with Boris. He did make a very persuasive argument, after all

[peak frigate]

Is there a good video explaining r8 lore yet

[feral trout]

Not yet

But likely soon

[wise fossil]

The short version is that there was some sort of Matter Wave Collapse that led to the main and Alt!Timelines collapsing into one common one. As a result we have two copies of the same team following two different Schaeffers, an original one trying to destroy the facility because of deep seated daddy issues and an Alt!Schaeffer who is trying to save the fate of humanity by sending what few uninfected humans remain to another dimension.

Over the course of the Rundown the original Team shuts down the Gargant Reactor Cooling system to trigger a meltdown, before then going rogue, taking the MWP, leaving some messages for the Alt!Team (which they think is coming from Project Insight survivors), and then ultimately escaping to the clean dimension (which, as we learn in the end, is Durant's). Meanwhile, the Alt!Team spends the time collecting the data needed to make the jump in the first place but are ultimately left behind by the original team

There are plenty of questions which I don't know the answer to, though. For example, what exactly the Neonate HSU was used for. I think it was meant to codify some data regarding the human genome of an uninfected, but I don't know why they would've needed that and may be way off

[fiery terrace]

R7's neonate was used to create Unit 23

R3's neonate may have been used for the same purpose.

[past matrix]

R3's neonate was used because they needed a certain genetic sequence for security clearance

it's why instead of hooking it up to an R7D1 machine, we hooked it up to a device that reads and stores data, which then we're able to bypass the security locks with

[past matrix]

the Neonate HSU was probably going to be used to create another vessel for the Warden to speak out of

we know that The Warden was trying to use Unit 22 to talk to us (or specifically, Schaeffer) and explain everything, which is why after Schaeffer kills it, our objective is to rush and find what happened to it

[wise fossil]

Ahhh, that does explain it. Unfortunately, I didn't make that connection before now. Explains all the KDS lore logs about the accelerated growth process and its consequences, now. Though it is morbid to think that the "Biological" part of "Biocom" apparently meant using babies as glorified flashdrives and keycards.

[cobalt mulch]

biological remote controlled robots immune to infection and ignored by sleepers.. wrdn on legs..

it almost pulled it off but ran into schaeffer who didnt get it. what happened to u27 in alt-r6 and why did "we" kill it, dunno

[past matrix]

the thing im most confused about is that there's two wardens in r8

surely the alt//warden would have been able to tell that there's something fishy going on

[royal crow]

there is 2 wardens?

didnt the warden from OG timeline died?

[wise fossil]

I think that Pable is right. Henriksson and Schaeffer basically turned off/hijacked the original Warden, so I don't think it would've interfered with the Alt!Warden. There are a lot of question marks about how exactly a "Matter Wave Collapse" works (for example, are there two of everybody now, did only some things make the transfer, or were some things simply "merged" like the room we see in A1) and if the Original group entered the Alt!Dimension, vice versa, or if they hybridized into one new one, but those are questions that it'd make sense we may not get an answer to IN universe since the only person who seemed to know anything about that would've been Alt!Schaeffer

I still hope we get some answers to these questions, though

I'm halfway tempted to go rambling on about my specific speculation on how Matter Wave stuff works based off of what we know from Stokes and some Quantum Crap but I don't know if anyone wa nd this is the LORE channel and not the SPECULATION channel so I'll temper myself

[royal crow]

i would like hear your speculation

this game leaves a lot of questions

[cobalt mulch]

frostty says it best.. timeline noodles get meshed into timeline spaghetti

(or was it worldline world- .. anyway)

[coral gorge]

wordlines

[past matrix]

it was more like taken over, wasnt it?

it would still exist per say just now under control and hacked into

[eternal talon]

keep in mind schaeffer didn't hack into warden, he hacked into biocom, which is separate, since they've been trying to delete eachother for years

er, biocom's been trying to delete the warden, the warden's just been trying to get it to shut the fuck up

[coral gorge]

lmao

[wise fossil]

Forgive me for how insane my rant is going to come off as

Okay, so... first off, short summary of relativity. "A thing at one point may not be the same as a thing at another point, but both things are still within the laws of physics." If you're moving faster or are near stronger gravity sources, time moves slower for you in a process called time dilation. This is a thing you can see in a lot of scifi movies and shows (most notably, Interstellar). What looks instantaneous to me may look slower to someone else.

For example, say I was in a jet and bounced a ball off the floor of it. For me, it may look like the ball just went up and down in a straight, vertical, line. The shortest possible path. To an outside observer, though watching the Jet pass by and seeing the ball bounce, it'll look more like a U or V shape since they see the vertical AND lateral movement. Both of our observations make sense RELATIVE to our positions. Now replace the "ball" with "beams of light," and you see why relativity is a must in Physics

Now you add in Fermat's principle. Rays (notably light) will always follow the quickest path from point A to point B. This is a big deal, because it indicates that (in some interpretations) that light somehow has a way of determining a path of least resistance BEFORE encountering it. Since light is the fastest thing in existence, you can see how this raises interesting questions about predestination on a quantum level.

The Matter Wave Projector operates on these two principles, albeit on a multidimensional level. The first one is relativity ACROSS DIMENSIONS. The Speed of Light in one dimension in GTFO is not necessarily the same as that of another. Durant's dimension has a speed of light around .008% that of ours, which can be extrapolated to mean that a second in our dimension is just shy of 2 minutes in his. Now comes in the MWP.

In theory we only encounter one in the original GTFO dimension. The Durant MWP and the one we use in the Original timeline are the same. The Alt!Timeline may complicate this, but

considering the collapse and Bishop returned with a MWP and ANNIHILATED another Bishop (as we see with the helmet found under the platform in a log) I think there's a good chance that we are actually looking at ONE Matter Wave Projector in the end (though the dead Bishop couldn't have been either Alt!Bishop or the Original one).

I'm getting a bit ahead of myself with that speculation though. Let me back up a bit.

In the same way that Light may predetermine the quickest path, the Matter Wave Projector shifts at specific moments that correlate ACROSS dimensions because of the interaction of waves between dimensions (See Stoke's discussion on superpositions). To an outside observer like Stokes or even an INSIDE one like the players these may seem totally random, but for the MWP this are key transition points where it MUST go from one dimension to another per a certain "transdimensional causality." In laymans terms: what for the players is randomly picking up and shifting between dimensions, for the MWP is "a fulfillment of the prophecy long foretold."

The interesting thing about this is that the MWP seems to respect the relativity. The amount of time spent in one dimension may not be observed as the same amount of time in another (Bishop returned with the MWP after a few months missing, but Durant reported that they'd been in the dimension with an inactive MWP for years), but the key thing is that the time at which it DOES transit from one dimension will correlate with the arrival at another. More than that, while the MWP by itself will transit in accordance to dimensional superpositions, you may need to program it to transit if you want to go to a SPECIFIC point, such as to Durant's dimension in both cases.

This is all to say that, in GTFO, the rules of multidimensional travel are quite clear. Each dimension has its own relative speed, but can interact with eachother via quantum waves of "correlation." The MWP will always enter or exit it at these correlations.

This, finally, leaves a collapse. A collapse is another thing Stokes sort of discusses but is VERY vague about. So, I need to speculate a bit here. Feel free to take this with a grain of salt

Imagine two thin pieces of paper. Draw a picture or just a bunch of random lines on one of them, and then another DIFFERENT picture or another bunch bunch of lines on another one. Hold them separately, and you have two dimensions. Maybe they look close to eachother, maybe not. Next, cut a small corner off of one and then move it over to the other, and that's basically what the MWP does when it takes you to another. Now, overlap the two sheets, hold them in front of a light, and look at the new image. THAT'S a collapse.

At best, a Collapse is a merging of two virtually identical universes that still yields a very SIMILAR final result. This, I believe, is what happened at Garganta in GTFO when the Alt and Original dimensions collapsed. There were some things that didn't align, like certain rooms (A1, most notably), the Schaeffers, and the team, but ideally the two entities either merge into a single entity, OR one of the items annihilates the other and becomes the only of that entity in the dimension. Otherwise, you get something like in B2 where the dimensions mismatch and overwrite eachother

To return to what I mentioned before, I think that this is what happened when Bishop returned from Durant's dimension. There were different Bishops, and each one had a MWP. They returned at the exact same time, to the exact same point, with (what would then become) the exact same item. One of them made it through safely, MWP in hand. The other was left as a bloody helmet wedged under the platform.

This is a bit of a messy hypothesis since it'd necessitate four different Bishops, but the lore has made this a messy situation since we know for a fact that there was a Bishop helmet found in both the Alt and Original version of the Durant exploration, and so means there WERE four Bishops.

There. That's it. I hope this isn't seen as spam by the Mods. Tried to make all this as clear-yet-concise as I could

[eternal talon]

we also find tons of corpses of our squadmates through r8.

for example, our dauda, alt//dauda, this dauda, and that dauda.

and i'm fairly certain there are more i'm just not remembering or didnt take pictures of.

og, alt, destination (the sand and crystals), the corpses, the nightmare dimension, there are at least a dozen different worldlines merging here

not just two noodles.

[wise fossil]

Mhmm. If I recall the team we find in that final room of D1 or whichever mission this was from only had THREE corpses as well, so it could be that we encountered a team missing a Bishop (which would be kind of funny)

[eternal talon]

it would have been funny if they just made one of the squad of corpses just all clowns to show how insane the infinity of worldlines truly is

[wise fossil]

Mhmm. Or one where there's a Schaeffer corpse wearing prisoner gear with the crew to show how there could have been entirely different team comps

But in any case, I am pretty sure that in the end we are looking at only ONE WMP since we only have the one during the final missions, and that the reason that may be is because with every collapse only one WMP would've survived the annihilation. It wouldn't necessarily make sense for there to have been several WMPs, since the whole point is that there is only ONE which is jumping across dimensions

[fresh gyro]

A universe where the bots don't try to headshot you with hcp???

[wise fossil]

Don't be silly. Some things are interdimensional constants. Like the WMP

[fresh gyro]

:V

[eternal talon]

a universe with sniper-melee

[fresh gyro]

With?

[eternal talon]

was a very notorious bug from rundowns past.

[fresh gyro]

Wait it got patched

What

When

[eternal talon]

yeah lmao

like r7

over a year ago

[fresh gyro]

:P

[eternal talon]

they copied the code from the mod pretty much

where were you during this?

lmao

[fresh gyro]

In heaven not getting sniper meleeed

[wise fossil]

But seriously, does my outline of how the MWP and GTFO Quantum Mechanics make enough sense to be legible to others or is this just nonsensical word spaghetti

[eternal talon]

a universe of femboys.

[fresh gyro]

Isn't that just the og?

:3

[eternal talon]

we had shirtless bishop in the old game awards trailer

and they took it away

[fresh gyro]

:P

[fresh gyro]

That's a shirted bishop

[loud urchin]

why is he doing the giant scream animation

[eternal talon]

yes, but the picture is funny. its like he's flipping a table in anger

[fresh gyro]

It has an animation?

Never noticed

:3

[loud urchin]

your life is incomplete

you have never seen a giant raise his arms and scream in triumph

[fresh gyro]

Giant scream glitch uwu

Bro stands still and summons god

[eternal talon]

quick, get to the bioscan!

jump off the cliff little KSOs

[fresh gyro]

Warden wants you on this termi

What do you do

[coral gorge]

obey

=)

[fresh gyro]

Yes

[loud urchin]

put the magnetic suit on from LEGO: Batman

and walk over

[coral gorge]

btw anyone knows what the fuck is the deal with that one security door lilke 20 meters in the air on a wall at the end of R8A2? (Dunno if its there in A1 aswell, it probably is)

[fresh gyro]

Yes

[eternal talon]

its time for your 5km walk to the objective KSOs.

[fresh gyro]

There's one in one of the a2 rooms

[coral gorge]

its leg day fuckers

[fresh gyro]

A1*

[coral gorge]

Its prolly thr same room from A2 then

[fresh gyro]

R7c2 my beloved

I hate that level with a passion

But sec was funny

[fresh gyro]

Yep

Both d2 and a1 lead to e_69

[eternal talon]

oh my god...

[fresh gyro]

Idk what else does

[eternal talon]

i just found something

[fresh gyro]

Wait no

[eternal talon]

what the fuck is wrong with dauda's leg

[coral gorge]

now… why the fuck is there such a door

[fresh gyro]

D2 leads to 55 or smth

[fresh gyro]

Never crouched too hard?

[coral gorge]

unreleased version of the crouch

[eternal talon]

sprint crouching

aha, i found it!
this is how we know we are infected, even with hydrostasis between missions

(this is also what the warden/biocom sees through our chips)

[fresh gyro]

@eternal talon what's the lore behind the floating mom artefact

[eternal talon]

this is just a meme. there is no canonicity to this and i seriously doubt it is in the game

[fresh gyro]

It's my screenshot

[eternal talon]

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[fresh gyro]

:P

It was

Hilarious

[eternal talon]

do we have a fucking parasite in us?

is that a sleeper tongue?

[loud urchin]

where

[eternal talon]

(standard)

[fresh gyro]

Where

I'm blind

[eternal talon]

the x-ray

in the chest

[fresh gyro]

Thats

Uhm

[loud urchin]

looks like a stomach to me

[fresh gyro]

A misplaced heart

:P

[loud urchin]

maybe a bit of an atypical shape, and I'm not sure if you're supposed to be able to see the GI tract on an xray

but it looks like you can see the heart and stomach and that goes into intestines, which also seem a bit weird

[wise fossil]

I think that may be a respiration tube

[eternal talon]

(also that skull is fucked)

probably to do with interference from the chip

[loud urchin]

probably

why couldn't these human popiscles be in the anatomical position

[fresh gyro]

Hmm

[wary portal]

can we talk spoilers here ?

[eternal talon]

first one is "cognitave stability" i cant read the others

[wise fossil]

Oh that is very bad

[eternal talon]

yes. gtfo-lore is exempt

[wary portal]

what happened to henrikson

[loud urchin]

let me start an old version of the game and check

[eternal talon]

physical.... ??
cell deterioration?

[wise fossil]

Second says "Physical Functions(?)" and third "Cell Det- yeah

[eternal talon]

killed by og schaeffer.

[wise fossil]

Off screen

[fresh gyro]

Kill him again

Rah

[wise fossil]

But he's definitely dead

[wary portal]

and arent we infected

[eternal talon]

with only a single log of dialogue

[wary portal]

wont we infect the new universe ?

[eternal talon]

yes

[eternal talon]

also yes

[wary portal]

rip

[fresh gyro]

As is deserved

[wary portal]

so

[fresh gyro]

uwu

[wary portal]

whats the wardens deal then

[eternal talon]

ehhh, i kinda liked henrikkson

[wary portal]

to spread infection ?

[fresh gyro]

I'm joking

[wise fossil]

Me too

[fresh gyro]

:P

[wise fossil]

The opposite

[wary portal]

yeah but

[wise fossil]

The Warden didn't intend for OUR group to be the one that made it

[wary portal]

he sent 4 infected people to a new universe

meaning we will infect them

[fresh gyro]

M

[cold sphinx]

W

2

[fresh gyro]

No

Never again

Heathen

[cold sphinx]

fuck you mean no?

[fresh gyro]

Nuhuh

[wary portal]

frosty what do you think of the ending

[eternal talon]

wardens communicate.

alt//warden sees what og schaeffer did to og warden.
schemes to get rid of alt//schaeffer to prevent the same thing from happening.

lies to alt//schaeffer.
gives him coords to an infested worldline, probably to a fight he could not possibly win half-life Gman stlye.

og squad gets datacube data from insight hq, rewrites them to ACTUAL clean worldline.
alt// and og schaeffer fight

og squad drowns them both in the sewers

pretend to be alt//schaeffer.

steal data cubes from alt//team

leave without them

[fresh gyro]

Frostty essay incoming

Oh no

I'm too late

[eternal talon]

just bullet points

[fresh gyro]

Hyperbole

:P

[eternal talon]

meh/10

[fresh gyro]

Fair

It was mid

[wary portal]

7/10 for me

[eternal talon]

i'd've rather not genocided a clean worldline. would rather try to reason with the schaeffers and alt// team, breach the surface, and die up there on our own terms

we were gonna die from nam-v anyway

leaving alt// team behind was a very mean decision regardless of outcome

[fresh gyro]

Triggering flood early in d2 is

Mmmm

They both scream

[wary portal]

i thought me can maybe choose multiple endings

:/

[eternal talon]

sadly no. alt// team dies, og team goes to a clean worldline, infects it with nam-v, and dies anyway

[wise fossil]

Just to be clear, we KNOW the main group is infected, right?

[fresh gyro]

Alt team gets the betrayal

Eats dust

[eternal talon]

yes, a million ways to sunday

[fresh gyro]

Whaaaaa

[wise fossil]

Doesn't that mean everyone in KSD Deep could be infected too?

[fresh gyro]

Nahhhh

No way

Never

[eternal talon]

there are like 6 ways they would be 100% infected if all the other 5 weren't true

[fresh gyro]

Whatttt

[eternal talon]

only the class-f ksos.

(so some of them)

[wise fossil]

Well then it seems like Warden had a flawed plan from the start

[fresh gyro]

How do kso classes work

[eternal talon]

warden didn't really have a plan to save us.

they wanted to get rid of schaeffer.

[wary portal]

@eternal talon so what is alt wardens goal?

[coral gorge]

it needed to get rid of us, and it did it quite well

except the part where we cause a meltdown

[eternal talon]

we dont know. probably the same as og, but both changed plan because of schaeffer's actions. he is gordon in this analogy

[eternal talon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XlY5oGOiD4

[wary portal]

Whats wardens plan actually

[fresh gyro]

Schaeffer is literally Gordan

No way

[eternal talon]

we dont know for sure. only theory.

[wary portal]

Wack

[coral gorge]

it works for the collectors and… does smth i dunno

[wary portal]

I mean

Warden is kinda fucked

[wise fossil]

That I'm skeptical of. The Warden/Collector Unit is definitely an unreliable narrator, but the WHOLE POINT of everything we had been doing with the Warden and our missions had been to try to collect data for a safe/uninfected realm. Alt!Schaeffer was useful as a tool, but if original Schaeffer had listened it may've been him who was helping

[wary portal]

Since whole facility is going down

Kinda mad we got no cutscenes or what so ever

[fresh gyro]

Probably wanted to send Schaeffer to nightmare dimension :P

[wary portal]

Just a simple fade

[fresh gyro]

Wild guess

Ik

Insane

There could be no possible way

[drowsy roost]

Was there an OG Henrikson 🤔 Guessing he was introduced in the ALT rundowns

[wise fossil]

Though I do agree that I don't think it was EVER the Warden's plan for the team to escape. Maybe it was a coincidence and the meltdown caused KDS Deep to start blowing up (as I think it is mentioned in lore that KDS has its own reactor system nearby), but I wouldn't be surprised to learn that Warden just wanted to use the Prisoners so it could ge the non-F KSOs out and that when it realized that the original team was about to escape it tried to abort the whole process and destroy everything

[wary portal]

Also

[eternal talon]

Sorry, but the collectors themselves say they collect the virus. Their goal is a worldline with 100% infection, so their solution was to send schaeffer/us away and to have us destroy the mwp after we leave

[fresh gyro]

In an hsu

Yes

[wary portal]

How tf did alt squad and og squad end up in the same universe

[drowsy roost]

Not sure if collecting the virus and 100% infection is the same goal?

[wise fossil]

Ohhhhhh. Yeah. I guess I just was confused by what they were collecting

[eternal talon]

I'm just saying that's what they tell schaeffer. The log is in alt//r6. You can find it on the wiki

It's a whole ass conversation

[wise fossil]

There only WAS the OG Henrikson in Rundown 7 and 8. If there was an Alt counterpart, he was never let out of HSU

[fresh gyro]

Bro honk mimimi ing

[eternal talon]

The matter wave collapsing after repeated improper use. Eventually turning the worldlines (noodles) into spaghetti

[fresh gyro]

Spaget

[wary portal]

The more i think about it the more it all doesnt make sense

Its like

[fresh gyro]

It doesnt

:P

[wise fossil]

I just explained how it works

[wary portal]

Puzzle pieces that have been smashed into the puzzle to make them fit

[fresh gyro]

That's why mid

It's mid

[wary portal]

Thats what i feel about the story

Poorly written

[fresh gyro]

Yes

It's almost

Like

They wanted to move on

To another project

[wary portal]

So they give us something

Like

Here ya go one final thing. Peace out

[fresh gyro]

:P

Genuinely sorry if a lot of time went into the story but:P

M

[lilac island]

that's not a real rating

if you rate something as 7/10 then ya didnt rate it

[fresh gyro]

6.9/4.20

[drowsy roost]

I would have been super happy, if instead of this kinda sour ending, we jumped a few dimensions into different versions of complex trying to find the one which found the cure. You could wrap up so many of the story arcs doing that... You could have levels where the outbreak is starting, where the complex has been left 100 years, help the daylight mission, at the very least find out what the inner was or what the massive enery blast was...

Might eventually pull together a wiki page on loose-threads.

[wise fossil]

There is no cure

[fresh gyro]

Welp

[lilac island]

there is a cure

[wary portal]

Thats another thing what happened to them

[lilac island]

it comes in liquid form

out of a gun at 1200c

[coral gorge]

OG henri is the only one we ever see, ALT henri is most likely still sitting in some random HSU

[fresh gyro]

Real

[drowsy roost]

To whom?

[coral gorge]

daylight probably

We never really learn what happened to them

[fresh gyro]

Henri

[drowsy roost]

They die. R8. Killed by our characters.

[wise fossil]

Yeah

[coral gorge]

wait what

how did i miss that

[wise fossil]

They got killed

[drowsy roost]

Yeah, I just uploaded the last of the R8 logs. Let me find them

[wise fossil]

It's in a Log

[wary portal]

Daylight

[fresh gyro]

Henri IV 🙏

[wary portal]

How

[coral gorge]

Is it the log in D1 that mentions the warden giving us an order to kill 12 targets?

[drowsy roost]

When they die: https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/Rundown_8.0_Logs#Missing_Log_ID
The prisoners orders: https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/Rundown_8.0_Logs#WKH-N2E-TAZ

[fresh gyro]

Did you not play the entirety of r8

[coral gorge]

wow thats a lame end

just gunned down

[drowsy roost]

Logs are from both D1 and B4 -- which implies Daylight was killed in both OG and ALT timelines (not that they're mentioned in the OG timelines)

[wise fossil]

What did you expect?

[drowsy roost]

Yeah, I was bummed about it. The writing is not giving any closure anywhere.

[coral gorge]

i was expecting them to die to sleepers

or bail out

[coral gorge]

I guess its possible in OG they never get sent/arrive at the complex

[drowsy roost]

What is dumb is that, in another log, they mention they already accessed the medical records and trying to go deeper. So the fact they're killed during it is a plot hole

[coral gorge]

lmao

WHO causing plot holes lets go

bad writing causing plot holes lets go

im still angry that they killed off henrikson for no reason

[fresh gyro]

R8 story is....

Eh

Ë

[drowsy roost]

Oh right no, not a plot hole. They didn't have the medical records yet. And were killed trying to access them through BIOCOM: https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/ALT://Rundown_5.0_Logs#7JR-T7U-780

[wise fossil]

Mhmm

[coral gorge]

Ah

even more lame

daylight didnt even cause a plot hole

L

[coral gorge]

it does a good enough job of ending the story to a new player, but the more you look into the details it gets… messy

[wise fossil]

Fine for you to dislike the plot turns, but I did like the subversion of the team killing Daylight instead of Sleepers. We were EXPECTING the "demons" to get them. It was FORESHADOWED that they Sleepers would kill them. But at the end of the day, they died to our characters acting on behalf of Warden

[drowsy roost]

I mean, if Daylight was 2057 and the rundowns start around 2063 (at least, that's when Scaeffer comes onto the scene) then them being dead was kinda a given. But still, meh.

[wise fossil]

Sloppy writing or a deliberate subversions can be pretty blurred though, that I admit

[loud urchin]

it could've gone so much better probably

[coral gorge]

Honestly daylight dying isnt even that bad, i was just hoping theyd get more logs. Im more mad about henriksons death, it just feels like a waste of a character

[wise fossil]

I agree that I would've liked more Henriksson, but I knew he was going to die for a while

He and Schaeffer did not gel well. We saw it in R7

[coral gorge]

He could have escaped and helped us get rid of the chips then warp out with us

[wise fossil]

He tried to

He made it all of 1 voice log

[loud urchin]

imagine if we heard schaeffer and henrikkson fighting over intercom, then our characters become defiant to schaeffer and continue henrikkson's plan, while shit talking schaeffer and telling him if he shows himself to our team he's a dead man

[coral gorge]

in R7 they were doing decently, in R8 they… well

[coral gorge]

wait theres a log of it? how many did i fucking miss

[wise fossil]

Dude you need to make sure you read all the logs before you criticize the story

[loud urchin]

and then I have my thoughts on schaeffer could've died in a cooler way, maybe to the fight against the big fuck off enemy in d2 on the other side of a security door, trapped between death by sleeper and death by gun from our team

[wise fossil]

He dies off screen in any case

He don't hear a fight or anything like that

[drowsy roost]

I kinda like we got to drown him, it was cathartic after everything else

[toxic wagon]

I would've 360 no scope sniped his ass with the bad sniper we have now if I could. But instead they just drown.

:/

[loud urchin]

I will say it was technically crushing him under the weight of water and not drowning him, but man

[toxic wagon]

I suppose

[loud urchin]

killed off screen by a terminal command, what an anticlimactic way to end

[drowsy roost]

Although, what happens to his audio if you don't run the command? I ran it as he started crying...

[wise fossil]

He sends a message to the group saying Schaeffer has lost it, tries to tell you where to go, and Schaeffer walks in, and turns off the mic. Then, next OG Schaeffer mission, he calls for Henriksson only to then go "Oh wait... nevermind."

[coral gorge]

henri is still a waste of a character - he dies simply to show that schafer is deranged but we knew that already. I think it would have been cool if it was a plot twist that he lived and comes to save the day and help us out at some point

[drowsy roost]

(yeah we don't have the VO's in the wiki yet, so a bunch of lore stuff is still missing from the wiki)

[coral gorge]

yeah i know that

[wise fossil]

Then you know what happened

[coral gorge]

i thought u meant theres an extra log of it

[wise fossil]

No

His death is inferred

He tried to help the team and died for it. That simple

[coral gorge]

yeah then that just sucks

[toxic wagon]

[loud urchin]

he tried to defy schaeffer*

[drowsy roost]

I hope 10ch draft the main and side story arcs at the start of their next game, not near the end 😆

[royal crow]

oh you here

nowi can spoil you everything

[wise fossil]

In any case, I feel like this ending keeps in line with most of GTFO's themes. There are plotholes that I'm not happy with, some major and some minor, but I personally just have never liked to go after Devman just because I wasn't satisfied. I've done game design. It's ROUGH, especially from a narrative point where you constantly have to readapt your narrative around what levels do and don't make the cut. Personally? I think R8 is a brilliant sendoff mechanically. A1 is a fun environment, B2 has a very clever gimmick, they introduced the nightmare enemies, offered some fine arenas to fight the Kraken(s), and the entire idea of a Quantum merging actually works pretty well given how the Dimensional Superpositions are outlined and actually adheres to Quantum Mechanics quite well (which the sci-fi nerd in me adores). Plus, while the idea of your playable character infecting the a safezone is hardly a novel one in narratives, I do feel like this game did it in an EXCEPTIONALLY subtle way that can leave you thinking that you actually did save the day. Which, deliberate or accidental, is quite fitting with the themes of the game

While there are plenty of disappointments for me there are a lot of things I really want to laud the team for. Namely that they did end up finishing the game, and at least answered a lot of the big questions and managed to make their Alt rundowns more than just "rereleases" by tying them into the main story. That's above a mere "passing" grade to me

I would've loved answers to things like who the person who brought NAM-V to Florida was (I thought it was going to be Stokes but we have no way of knowing), who else was with Connor in the end, what happened to Dreyfuss besides "they're in a bunker," and some culminations for individual characters like Piros, Stanovich, and Chapman like we did for Hammerstein, Teale, and Clinton, but their priority was put where it was

[wise fossil]

Also, here's a link to my rant if you want to read it since you're the one who asked for it
#gtfo-lore message

[honest merlin]

R8A2 Pablo room

[drowsy roost]

Yeah, I kinda think that was a joke by the developers. I wasn't sure if it was a movie reference...

[plush nest]

Question the end of r8d1 is that the alt squad that is dead? Because there is 4 bodies, and we already saw two I think in alt r6 somewhere

[eternal talon]

Yes... but not for that reason. We find the alt squad dead in alt//r6cx, as witnessed by alt//schaeffer before the collapse

That is a squad from another unknown worldline. 🍝

[plush nest]

Yay more worldlines

[tame goblet]

Dreyfus in a bunker? What's that about

[eternal talon]

What?

[tame goblet]

Kev Dango said dreyfus was in a bunker in the big post above

Wondered if you knew anything about it.

Also what were both Schaeffers doing in the pit in D2?

[drowsy roost]

I suppose the ALT Schaeff was trying to fix the coolant, and OG Schaeff realised that and tried to stop him...

[tame goblet]

hmm that's a good opinion, it makes sense. OG schaeffer could be there to make it worse or osmething

[drowsy roost]

It was kinda shoe-horned in though "just turn on a mic" as an objective...

Why reactor floodways would need microphones 🤷‍♂️ ... or why it wasn't a HearSay, the very technology we know to be secretly installed throughout the complex.

[drowsy roost]

There's at last two dead squads in R8 by my count... (not incl. the ending)

[plush nest]

Just finished e1 so far so

[soft tartan]

I see Sam-DB in lore chat. I automatically agree 👍

[drowsy roost]

I kinda recall the squad from from R6CX 🤔 What was their deal?

[drowsy roost]

https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/Rundown_8.0_Logs#AKK-3XW-EEB

[tame goblet]

ty fam

[drowsy roost]

I live in the wiki... (no where near Infinite Duck's level though)