gtfo-lore

[stone vine]

the same thing still applies

[crisp citrus]

I still don't think it progresses fast enough for perm damage to body over 80 minutes either

[stone vine]

and reinfection when in contact with sleepers is possible

[crisp citrus]

Ok

[stone vine]

me either

[crisp citrus]

Then

HSU let's you indefinitely survive as long as you go in it once in a while

Since it kills nam v

And mutations don't happen immediately

[stone vine]

yeah issue with that is that uh we either die or go to jungle planet where hsus dont exist

[crisp citrus]

The prisoners are almost always in HSU

[stone vine]

and we do that after not going into an hsu

so uh gg i guess

[crisp citrus]

Not everyone gets it right away though

It's infective but it doesn't straight up teleport into the body from the air

I get everyone likes the idea of "the prisoners on jungle world die soon after because nam v"

[stone vine]

issue is it kind of would work like other diseases where people are asymptomatic which, among 4 people, id say one of them likely could be a long term carrier

[crisp citrus]

But I do not think it unreasonable to believe they lived after being purged

[stone vine]

well yes its all up to ur interpretation :3

[crisp citrus]

Yea

I like happy endings

[stone vine]

fair fair

i think in nightmare universe nam v might jsut kill everything

i feel like for what we see its likely some crazy version of the virus

like they dropped the fattest bioweapon on those aliens

also my only thing with hsus is sure they can kill off nam-v and the parasite, but we know that it doesnt reverse once it actually starts changing your dna

so in a case where a mission may drag on for weeks (lets pretend) it is totally viable we could die like that

but in 80 min intervals no way

[crisp citrus]

Uh

[stone vine]

we would definitely be sick but itd be like a small cough

[crisp citrus]

Your DNA is always being screwed with in real life

Random mutations or damage from the sun

[stone vine]

yes but we know hsus dont revert extremely physical changes because we see it physically

maybe its a plothole

[crisp citrus]

We never had extreme changes

We weren't out of HSUs for a long enough period to get them

[stone vine]

ye im not arguing w u or anytrhing

im tryna expand on it

thats what i said :}

if we were out for weeks it would be different

[crisp citrus]

Schaeffer is a plot hole

Unless he goes in once in a while

[stone vine]

yeah thats been a thing since r5

hes just been a plothole

atp he might as well just be jesus

[crisp citrus]

I by default assume he has some way to do self serve HSU or it makes no sense

[stone vine]

no yeah he shouldnt be alive

also he killed henrikson

so he was alone yet again

[crisp citrus]

The conduit is also weird

How is it that it can't be infected and sleepers don't mind it, but they can't figure out how to move that to a person

[crisp citrus]

Maybe a timed auto release or something?

[stone vine]

well theres specific steps

if u just step out of an hsu then ur gonna be fucked

so he woulda had to program something

and he just killed his hacker so like good luck to him

i mean hes dead either way

what we dont know yet is where is schaeffer number 3???

im assuming hes probs also dead

[stone vine]

better yet

the aliens themselves dont die to the sleepers or virus and it was literally made to kill them

they can also teleport

and know how universe transportation works

and yet they had to use prisoners

further

they literally have a space ship that shoots super lazer beams and are highly advanced but somehow have the same hacking capability as schaeffer?

idk if they realized like they made an extremely intelligent alien species only to make them rely on humans to save humans?

either they just did not care that much or that is some serious plot hole

[crisp citrus]

Idk, allow it.

Do not question it

[stone vine]

honestly might just have to

also we never got to go to the inner

i wanted to meet the aliens

[crisp citrus]

The Inner DLC

coming 2024

[stone vine]

ykw i genuinly see that hapenning

or they drop a final ext

also i feel like schaeffer was the main character of gtfo

so i think we should rebrand the game to: schaeffer

[eternal talon]

The breakthrough that Kovac Research hopes will answer these questions is called Hydrostasis - a process that allows humans to be held in a state of suspended animation for weeks, months, even years at a time without suffering any ill-effects. The nuts and bolts of the process are a closely guarded secret, but sources speculate that the procedure likely uses a synthetic amniotic fluid to sustain and protect the body while it is in an induced comatose state. In this state, the body is - for all intents and purposes - dead, but no cell deterioration or physical decay occurs. For the human in Hydrostasis, the heart, and time, stops.

Even if the patient does manage to survive the initial onslaught of the virus, it will remain in their system and can strike again without warning. Once you are isolated with NAM-V, you stay isolated.

also, i should mention, the log in question "nothing survives unless we want it to", is literally wrong.

**I don’t see how pathogens could be influencing the BAT result to be honest. The assessments are carried out after at least 5 days in HS recovery, and very few organisms will survive suspended animation for more than a few days without a finely tuned subsistence strategy to keep them alive. When we introduce positive bacteriophage we have to stimulate them constantly or they won’t survive even a few hours in HS. This is without considering the counteragents and neutralizers we use in the amniotic plasma.

Any behavioral issues you were seeing are psychological, not biological. Nothing survives HS unless we want it to.**

where the behavioral issues are absolutely from nam-v infection, we know this as one of its very first major symptoms

I’m worried if we don’t solve this issue we may end up with a failure cascade. These HSUs are all F/Infected classification so I guess it wouldn’t be the end of the world if we lost the meat, but the freezers may come in handy someday - or at least we may end up needing them as Deep backups or organ donations etc.

[stone vine]

tbh wiki literally says that it kills nam v either way even if it did i doubt it could do it that fast

reverting cell damage takes a lot of time

idk who or what to believe

this game is turning me schizo

[eternal talon]

the wiki has the same lore resources as us.

[stone vine]

yes

what im saying is it says it can completely kill it on wiki

but im hearing diff things

[eternal talon]

can you link me the page pls?

[crisp citrus]

Maybe the behavioral changes are from the virus mad cow diseasing the brain and wacking it out like rabies or something

So even if HSU kills it, if you had it too long it still gives you brain damage

[eternal talon]

im not sure, but we have a full list of symptoms if you've not seen it

[crisp citrus]

I saw

No real way to know

IDK things are just too unconfirmed or up to assumptions

[plush sigil]

https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/HSU

Says it there

[eternal talon]

However, reinfection is possible once resuscitated from hydrostasis.[3] It is for this reason that security operatives can survive multiple reinfections throughout their expeditions.

[plush sigil]

Considering on average missions last an hour to two hours I don't think that's long enough for mutations to occur even with repeated exposure, but we can only ever guess since iirc it never really goes into specifics, although I remember it mentioning in logs that the period between catching the virus and actually getting sick was a decent amount. Definitely more than just hours.

[eternal talon]

**2 researchers from the team reported minor flu-like symptoms in the weeks following the incident. ** yeah that checks out...
doesn't explain class-F though (or the login "infected" status)

[stone vine]

i have a solution

plot holes

[clear furnace]

Are there any logs actually explaining the enemies now?

[eternal talon]

not as far as i know

[strange cliff]

is there a website where you can read all the logs in a chronological order ?

[eternal talon]

https://www.notion.so/Timeline-0e93a62e8cfd44b3a36beb4ab245a2d0 if you want everything, "For Dummies" Document if you just want the jidst of it / to get caught up

[strange cliff]

thanks a lot ! that archive is well made

is it updated with the r8 logs ?

[eternal talon]

I don't manage the notion.so, you'd have to ask @solar nova

As for the dummies doc, it is not yet.

[solar nova]

Duck updates it currently. If Wiki is up to date, Notion probably is, but if not you can use Wiki for R8 specifically.

[strange cliff]

thanks for putting this together

[solar nova]

Work of Chase, Myself, and Duck during different periods.

[iron furnace]

As a doctor, I've always found it kind of funny that people like to relate fictional diseases to cancer, HIV, or both.

[serene mauve]

GO-1395: Bishop is a Genesis Operative, the first generation of KSOs
T-3701: Dauda is labelled Temporary much like Schaeffer (C067 with Santonian, T-3894 as KSO) due to being more or less kidnapped by Woods (the T designation probably means any assets not officially inducted by Kovac personell into Legion, personal theory, take with several grains of salt)
F-2056: Fault class designation cuz Woods' brain really likes god
O-4711: Operative Aiden Hackett, the only "normal" one

[brazen edge]

There should be a log in R8A2 zone 69 right?

[peak frigate]

The room with immortal, if thats what z69 is

Yea there is a log

[peak frigate]

Ah. No this is secret terminal

Apologies I thought this was secondary zone lol

[heavy lynx]

1 question

what happen at the end of r8e1?

and is the r8e2 the same team that was in r8e1

or are they diffrent team

[cobalt mulch]

r8e1 a squad turns over their data cubes to the shuttlebox, and another squad uses them to gtfo, leaving the other squad to die. wrdn figures it out, turns off security, gives up.

afaik r8a1-r8e1 is one team, then on r8a2 and forward its separate teams (r8a2 secondary team can't do r8b3 for example)

[royal crow]

different

E1 team is the team we play in the ALT levels

E2 team is the team we play in the OG levels

[cobalt mulch]

some said that r8a2 starts with the og team r1-r7

[royal crow]

yup

with the crazy schaeffer

[cobalt mulch]

r8 best rundown (imho) ❤️

[royal crow]

ALT team dies

:b

[burnt wren]

Different teams from different dimensions.

[royal crow]

that ended in the same dimension

[timid palm]

i’m kinda sad the good schaffer wasn’t able to come with use to escape

also crazy how different being in control made the crazy schaffer, dude was power tripping like crazy

oh, and what happens at the end of D1 still? that’s my final confusion, what happened to the good schaffer and where did the 4 dead prisoners come from

cause obviously the message at the end, is t actually schaffer who recorded it

[royal crow]

R8D2

or you want me to spoil you?

or you already did R8?

[royal crow]

||Both schaeffer die at the end of R8D2 (R8D1 and R8D2 happend literally at the same time), and ALT schaeffer says both time lines merged into each other causing multiple anomalies in the process||

[timid palm]

yeah i remember that

so then what explains the other 4 dead prisoners at the end of d1?

[royal crow]

probably prisioners from another worldline that somehow ended in the same place as us

[timid palm]

interesting

[royal crow]

you can see a lot of dead bodies through all of R8

[timid palm]

yeah but none are actually the prisoners

[royal crow]

they are

you can see woods dead in B2

hackett in A i believe

[timid palm]

oh i guess i just never noticed

[royal crow]

also Dauda and Bishop dead bodies in R6

[timid palm]

still a shame there wasn’t an actual like NPC of either schaffer in any of the@

both D1 and D2 blue balled me

[royal crow]

lol why

you can see schaeffer dead body in D2

[timid palm]

boffum

but i thought we were actually gonna see like an animated NPC

[toxic wagon]

[heavy lynx]

how does it happen

[royal crow]

what?

the worldlines merging?

[heavy lynx]

Yup

[royal crow]

idk

my guess is that we messed with the matter projector

[heavy lynx]

I thought the matter projector is only used for teleport

[royal crow]

well, it is

a telerporter between world lines or dimensions

[cunning light]

It somehow creates a superposition of two separate dimensions

Allowing matter to cross between them

[royal crow]

also

the fact we see more bodies of ourselves i guess we werent the only ones dragged into this mess

[topaz hollow]

Why tf are there so many reactors about the place in this fucking facility

[hot burrow]

Probably reactors for that quadrant

In some of the warden’s intel it mentions how a reactor in C is needed to power up D etc

R3A3s intel is an good example

[shy sky]

so, the warden is really AI? what's trying to do?

[warm root]

I mean the complex is very massive. I don't believe one reactor can power that much

[royal crow]

and building a single reactor for everything could be dangerous

[eternal talon]

it is an alien intelligence, we dont know if it is artifical.
we dont know exactly what it was trying to do before schaeffer threw off its plans in r7

[royal crow]

im thinking he wanted to make a cure or something similar
or at least help us survive

if they are so advanced they have probably saved or at least tried to save other especies

or maybe you know
the aliens are trying to fix their mistakes

after all its their fault this shitshow happened

[eternal talon]

We have been in exile for 2-point zero-6-6-3-8-8-8-5-2 times 10 to the power 15 Seconds. We have been waiting.

[eternal talon]

none of the collectors we deal with are a part of any civilization

they are outcasts

[peak frigate]

Is it clear yet how warden is "trying to help"

[eternal talon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1qm_3s_YMA

[peak frigate]

nice

[royal crow]

i think thats a no

[peak frigate]

not even clear whether its helping or not

[royal crow]

thats why OG Schaeffer > ALT Schaeffer

[eternal talon]

the coords that were programmed into the data cubes would send them to an infected worldline, probably one guranteed to kill them. we know this because we as OG squad literally have to rewrite them at the Insight Lab to get the true "clean" worldline's coords

[peak frigate]

warden could have been just trying to eradicate to prevent further spread into the galaxy or whatever

Dunno

[eternal talon]

if alt// team were successful, they would have been guranteed to die. likely a way to get rid of alt//schaeffer so he doesn't end up like OG did and fuck over his warden

(since the wardens can communicate between worldlines)

[royal crow]

Og Schaeffer was right all along

[eternal talon]

alt// warden almost certainly knew what happened to og warden, so lied to their schaeffer to prevent the same outcome

(which also explains why we didn't have an alt//r7)

no rebellion for alt.

no need to replace a unit schaeffer had killed

[peak frigate]

Im more curious how most worldlines got simultaneously infected

mwp ?

and expeditions, whatever has been said in r8c1

[eternal talon]

the collectors simply say that every worldline that they have ever gone to has eventually become entirely taken over by the virus and presumably sleepers

how the virus goes between these worldlines, we dont know. probably through the mwp, yeah

[royal crow]

but like, every planet, galaxy and alive being?

[eternal talon]

or different mwps from different worldlines / different ships/fossils/inners

[peak frigate]

If mwp carries the virus, wouldnt virus also jump

[eternal talon]

no, not all of them. just out of the ones that they found DID have the virus, it had entirely taken over.

there was no worldline where the virus was present and it was just maybe okay or tolerable

if it exists, it kills everything, no questions asked

[royal crow]

i see

very scary

[eternal talon]

well yes, obv. (i mean if it has nam-v on the surface of it, it can survive on surfaces for up to 4 weeks)

not to mention we also infect the "clean" worldline at the end of r8e2, though that is more likely from ourselves or the giant ass wreckage of KDS-Deep rather than just the mwp

[peak frigate]

thats such a weird ending

so we practically achieved nothing, killed ourselves in the process and will kill another planet entirely

[royal crow]

yup

i like the ending

[eternal talon]

given it teleports ruins of kds-deep, that means it also dragged the mwp with us. so now alt// is just entirely missing their projector

[timid palm]

so did ALT Durnant or whatever build the teleporter on the jungle planet?

[eternal talon]

unironically if our crew wasn't so fucked, a better / selfless ending would have been to just sabotage alt// team early on, and together the 10 of us breach the surface bulkheads and die slowly on the surface.

though i'm not sure our squad would have known in time to warn alt// team of the data cube's coordinates

i dont remember when exactly that takes place

(also doesnt help that we dont inform or try to work with schaeffer, either)

we just ignore him and never reply on comms

which really fucking sucks

[timid palm]

wait so technically OG Schaffers plan was better?

[royal crow]

ALT team gets the funny cubes in B1 and tries to reprogram them in B2

[royal crow]

kinda

[eternal talon]

we (humans) built the teleporters.

OG durant went to destination
ALT//Durant went to the jungle planet, and luckily he left before garganta was overrun, so made it out without being infected.

[royal crow]

we would have died anyways

OG schaeffer plan was: Blow up garganta

[eternal talon]

yes, but regardless it is a bad ending. we'd've just died on the surface alone

but imo i'd rather die alone than doom a potentially safe planet

[timid palm]

i guess i really didnt think that in the ending we still were fucked even on the jungle planet because we brought NAM-V with us

[eternal talon]

and in the process we could have tried to convince and save the alt// team

just ditch the mwp entirely

(it would HAVE to be before the e-tier levels, by then there just wouldnt be enough time to break through the surface bulkheads and escape)

[peak frigate]

So durant is alive?

nice

one survivor

[eternal talon]

warden shut that stuff up tight

[eternal talon]

him and his entire ef01 team

[timid palm]

i really like how both teams are within minutes of being near each other

really cool how they do that in the other half of R8

[eternal talon]

potentially dozens of humans on the jungle world

[timid palm]

it would be cool sometime in the future if the devs randomly posted like a picture of a settlement there

or atleast what happens

[eternal talon]

(if his team size was the same as og, being a dozen or so scientists and 4 ksos for support)

[eternal talon]

well by now the canon ending would be the death of everything there

[timid palm]

well yeah eventually

it would take like what

a month?

[eternal talon]

5-weeks average from infection to death, yeah.

we hear durant before the credits, so their outpost is nearby where kds-deep ended up

[peak frigate]

Is there any chance kds deep was inaccesible for more than virus's lifespan

[timid palm]

it sounded more like a transmission, like durant said it through speakers or something

[eternal talon]

no because we open it up in r5 for the warden

[peak frigate]

right

warden works against us

[eternal talon]

r5-now it has been open so warden could get the 24,000 KSOs housed inside

[timid palm]

so what was the goal of the collectors? i didnt really get that

[eternal talon]

we have two theories, one based on what we see, and one based on what they tell us.

In og, we SEE the warden collecting the genome database from destination before schaeffer's uprising, and dropping everything to replace the unit schaeffer killed, so it was probably trying to work on a cure.

in alt//, we HEAR the collectors telling schaeffer that they collect the virus, and their goal is a worldline 100% infected, so wants us to leave to accomplish that
(even though killing us would be a billion times easier... kinda sus)

[timid palm]

oh so what we HEAR is they actually WANT to infect everything everywhere

i thought they were trying to stop it

[eternal talon]

Voice 1
You control the Warden? Who are you?
Voice 2
We travel. We project. From before, and after, through the membranes.
Voice 1
Membranes.
Voice 2
Planes. Spheres. Phases. Dimensions. Universes. We travel, We collect. Through the membranes. We collect the virus. The Collection is impure.
Voice 1
Did you "collect" those creatures?
Voice 2
Yes. They are the Collection. They are impure. We have been in exile for 2-point zero-6-6-3-8-8-8-5-2 times 10 to the power 15 Seconds. We have been waiting.
Voice 1
For what?
Voice 2
In this membrane, a resolution has been determined.
Voice 1
A resolution to what?
Voice 2
Conclusion: the Collection cannot be completed. The virus is the primary life force of membranes in which it exists. All will become impure. In this membrane, and all we have traveled.
Voice 1
This membrane? But, outside of this place, this facility, there may be people working on a cure--
Voice 2
96.35% of humans in this membrane are impure. The virus is the primary life force. The humans must leave.
Voice 1
How?
Voice 2
A clean membrane will be determined. Humans will project, then destroy the Projector. The Collection will be complete.

[royal crow]

do you really think an alien especie called "the collectors" would want to help?

[eternal talon]

no need to be rude

[timid palm]

i couldnt really understand what the lamens terms of that log was

[eternal talon]

its easy to assume from the name they would be trying to collect us for like an intergalactic zoo

[timid palm]

i read that and was baffled as, It's been 24,672 seconds since my birthday

[royal crow]

okay that sounds cool

but still

their names is sus af already

[timid palm]

like the ending part it sounds like they just want the humans to go somewhere else and never return

to a clean "dimension/membrane"

[royal crow]

they wanted to kill us

[eternal talon]

only because you already know the collectors as

[royal crow]

since we would ruin their plans

or at least slow them down

[royal crow]

LOL

Mass Effect

[timid palm]

who are these guys? from another game?

ah i see

[royal crow]

Mass Effect trilogy

[eternal talon]

a race of evil ancient aliens also called the collectors

[timid palm]

so are Unit 22 and Unit 27 "Collectors" I thought they were those fucked up clones from Project Rise

[eternal talon]

both, something something host bodies

[timid palm]

ahhhhhhhhhh

[eternal talon]

also not really

[timid palm]

telepathic whateverness

[eternal talon]

rise went down after garganta was overrun, (because nobody left alive), the units were created explicitly by the warden

[timid palm]

oh so Project Rise was a warden done thing

interesting

[eternal talon]

that log i posted above, voice 2 is a unit, called the "conduit" possessed by a collector

[royal crow]

how long did it took for garganta to be completely overrun?

[timid palm]

so the sleepers are the "collection" right?

or is it things that are infected with NAM-V

[eternal talon]

i don't recall...
Feb 2052 - November 2056

roughly

[royal crow]

huh
they somehow lasted 4 years fighting the sleepers

[eternal talon]

(2052 being earliest date) could have lasted another year or so past 2056.

[royal crow]

thats better than i expected

[eternal talon]

but not much more

[royal crow]

i thought they got rekt in like a couple weeks or so

[eternal talon]

that was first contact with nam-v, we dont know when they first encountered sleepers afik

[royal crow]

but i guess the last people did put a fight

[royal crow]

oh yeah that makes sense

so it was like
NAM-V learning the human body and stuff to then attack

then sleepers started to appear

[timid palm]

i still think its funny how we just have basically no idea where the sleepers came from

[royal crow]

i mean

they are humans

mutated

[timid palm]

exactly

but everytime someone says "NAM-V turns humans into sleepers" everyones like NUH UH

[peak frigate]

NO ITS THE PARASITE

[eternal talon]

Not all of them. (Even ignoring floaters and kraken) Hammerstein found hundreds of specimens from different universes in the inner and one of the first sleepers ever encountered, in the Edgar log, is still unlike any we have ever seen to this day

[peak frigate]

Is actually virus + parasite together

[timid palm]

is that the one that "dissapears"

or the one with the paper skin

[eternal talon]

I don't really think it is that intelligent... just the tunnels and passages hadn't been excavated yet to go deeper

[royal crow]

who knows

its a fucking interdimensional virus

[timid palm]

so surely the floaters/kraken are a different subspecies right? not originally humans

[eternal talon]

I wouldn't really say subspecies, just species as a whole. The kraken and floaters are native fauna from destination that were infected

Completely unrelated to humans

We accidentally let the floaters into garganta in r6b1

[timid palm]

yeah so like the natural species in destination also got mutated

same as the humans

[royal crow]

imagine having floating meatballs

lol

[peak frigate]

so these aliens gotta be invasive

spread the virus then eradicate civs

lul

[timid palm]

i really wanna see what the surface of earth looks like

[royal crow]

they spread the virus, infect other people and then capture them for their "collection"

[peak frigate]

why wait 65 mil years tho

[royal crow]

ecpi

epic

[eternal talon]

Thing I don't get, is it's not even constructive. You can't wipe out a planet to later colonize it because the parasite renders it uninhabitable forever

[eternal talon]

It's 10 years on, so just look up last of us screenshots lul

[timid palm]

yeah i guess

[royal crow]

they could be infecting especies for then research them in search of a cure?

idk

[peak frigate]

Its certain such a complex virus has to be made by aliens right

[timid palm]

i really am annoyed they dropped all this shit as the final update

so many things that we will never truely "uncover"

[eternal talon]

Whatever it is it isn't organized. They are in exile. For punishment or whatever reason, we don't know.

Perhaps they think curing it could allow them to return to their society

[royal crow]

maybe

[timid palm]

they just wanna be invited back to the alien functions

[royal crow]

it would make sense

[eternal talon]

We don't know, but dauda implies it was designed by them as a bioweapon and one of our experts in here ( @rocky wraith ) noted that the methods in which it attacks is not possible to have occurred naturally.

[rocky wraith]

me

ow

[royal crow]

they made the virus
got exiled
use the virus to infect other species
capture those species for research

hmmmm

[peak frigate]

has to be artifical to have such a mutually beneficial partnership with a parasite

something or someone developed the perfect bioweap

[eternal talon]

Not the parasite, log says the symbiotic pairing was completely unexpected

[rocky wraith]

doesn't have to be artificial for mutually beneficial partnership with parasites as that is naturally occurring in real life

[eternal talon]

Ie; they haven't always been symbiotic

[royal crow]

just the virus then

[peak frigate]

ah

[eternal talon]

The virus just came across the parasite on one world or another and the people living on that world got reaaaaally unlucky

[rocky wraith]

What is artificial is the multi-pronged attack and infection strategy

[peak frigate]

just the virus then

[royal crow]

alright
time for a biology lesson

LETS GO

[peak frigate]

one of the two was a natural occurence then

[eternal talon]

Yes, the parasite

[rocky wraith]

Parasite was natural and has since co-evolved with the virus

[peak frigate]

really unlucky

[unborn cloak]

so this alien specie (the collectors) just infect planes/dimensions until all primery life force becomes one with the NAM-V, i.e become sleepers, then they satisfied?

[eternal talon]

that is what they claim

[unborn cloak]

im just confused to that hearsay log, why does 'the conduit' wants to help human to move to another dimension, not to even mention why would they even infect at the first place

[eternal talon]

But just because they say it doesn't guarantee it is true, especially in this case

[unborn cloak]

h..uh...

[eternal talon]

(Since if they wanted us gone killing us would be soooo much easier than sending us to a clean dimension), hell, they could just not deploy us in the first place. Eventually the power would run out and we would die

There are holes in what it says

Actin' a bit... sussy

[lilac island]

|_

/_

|_

the collectors arent necessarily the ones who carry the varus

it probably killed them too

[fiery terrace]

Are collectors deliberately infecting worlds/membranes? That's... weird.

[grave quest]

ok

I have just completed e2

what happens at the end?

I did not understand anything

[eternal talon]

@royal crow Somebody please, I'm at work

[royal crow]

let me just

bring my R8 copy paste

[royal crow]

R8 TLDR:
(A1-E1)

ALT team objective is get funny data cubes to get to a clean dimension with the help of ALT schaeffer (R8B1)
ALT team gets datacubes (R8B1)
ALT team gets more information from degauser terminals to get the coordinates for a clean dimension, warping between their garganta, nightmare worldline and destination in the process (R8B2)
ALT team tries to get more information about "project insight" to know more about the matter wave projector, in here OG team helps them giving them all the data, ignoring their schaeffer orders (R8C1)
ALT Team heads to garden to get more info and recive multiple calls for help from OG team (R8D1)
Facility is going to shit so they head to KDS Deep
Other team asks for data cubes
OG team uses the data cubes to go to a clean dimension
Once ALT team enters KDS deep everything is destroyed and they have to defend themselves against massive hordes of enemies.......

(A2-E2)

OG team under OG Schaeffer orders start a nuclear meltdown (R8A2)
OG team follows schaeffer orders until they hear ALT schaeffer and decides to help them, retriving the "project insight" data and leaving the hard drive that ALT team later picks up (R8C2)
OG Team removes their chips from the head finally stopping to follow schaeffer orders (R8C2)
OG team heads to the nuclear cooling tanks to get the matter wave projector from schaeffer, in here OG team asks for help to ALT team through the BIOCOM. (R8D2)
OG and ALT schaffer encounter each other and fight, here ALT schaeffer opens the possibility of both worldines merging into eachother causing the events of R8 (both schaeffers and both protagonist teams ending in the same complex) (R8D2)
OG team in D2 retrieves the matter wave projector after the 2 schaeffer fight eachother and die (R8D2)
OG team heads to KDS Deep once the nuclear meltdown starts (R8E2)
OG team impersonates Schaeffer and gets the data cubes from the alt team (R8E2)

[grave quest]

the funny thing I thought wasnt it more easier use the teletransportation of r6 b1?

[royal crow]

OG team uses the data cubes to go to jungle dimension

a "clean" dimension from the virus

[grave quest]

what is destination and nightmare worldline?

[royal crow]

destination is desert planet

and nightmare garganta is fucked up garganta

[grave quest]

but

if we are infected

why dindt we become monsters?

[royal crow]

it takes 5 weeks

[grave quest]

well

I think from r1 to 58

at least

[gilded vine]

Hsu sleep staves off the virus

[royal crow]

and everytime we go into the HSU the virus dies

[grave quest]

more or less

[grave quest]

so

we have the cure

[royal crow]

no

[grave quest]

we just use the hsu

[royal crow]

there is no cure for NAM-V

[gilded vine]

It's not a cure, it's a bandaid

[royal crow]

it kills the virus but it doesnt reverse the effects

[grave quest]

who is dr haunt?

at the end of r8 e2

[royal crow]

haunt?

[grave quest]

duant

[royal crow]

you mean Durant?

[grave quest]

durant

yes

[royal crow]

someone who left to jungle dimension before Garganta got overrun by sleepers

[grave quest]

so we have a partial good ending

[royal crow]

i havent done my research about him yet

[grave quest]

nightmare dimension is garante destroyed

[royal crow]

yes

[grave quest]

but that garganta destroyed had hsus

[royal crow]

the one we warp in B1

[grave quest]

so we can have normal live there

we the hsus

[royal crow]

no

in E2 we bring a piece of KDS Deep with us

and that part is most likely infected with NAM-V

[grave quest]

what is KDS deep

is it an ubication

[royal crow]

the place were we head in E2

to use the data cubes

and warp us into another dimension

is where most of HSU's are stored

[grave quest]

maybe there is an oportunity

[royal crow]

nope

sorry but ALL of garganta is infected

[grave quest]

this is a curious question in r8 b1

we do a tp to an ubication with a lot of dead bodies

what does it mean

[royal crow]

nothing really

[grave quest]

if the virus did not reach there

[royal crow]

the virus is everywhere

everywhere in garganta

[grave quest]

not in the clean universe

[royal crow]

no, but we brought it there

[grave quest]

well

In some way is a good ending

[royal crow]

we get infected everytime we get out of the HSU's

[shy sky]

we need more this, great explanation

[grave quest]

because we techinically escaped from garganta

[royal crow]

yup

but we doomed another planet

lol

[grave quest]

who cares

XD

[royal crow]

EXACTLY

we made it out at least

thats what matters

[grave quest]

in that planet only lived dr daunt

durant

[royal crow]

and his team

[grave quest]

humanity would die

[cobalt mulch]

how come durant+team didnt infect it earlier

[grave quest]

because as long as I know there is only males in garganta isnt it?

[royal crow]

they left before garganta got overrun by the virus and sleepers

[grave quest]

.

[royal crow]

no?

maybe?

i dont think so

[grave quest]

if only the warden

communicated with us

[cobalt mulch]

hsus were full of females also

[grave quest]

we would not uprise

[royal crow]

well

the warden isnt a good person or AI or alien or whatever

at all

[grave quest]

well

but he could persuade us

[royal crow]

he basically did

with the ALT team

[grave quest]

the alt team was doom because of OG

another day another vicotry for the og

[royal crow]

alt has skill issue fr

[cobalt mulch]

... and they got to skip the alt remakes 😄 😄

[grave quest]

ALT schaeffer>>>>>>>>>>>>> mad crazy schaeffer

[royal crow]

OG schaeffer better

[grave quest]

no

alt was a good person

the other was a crazy guy

hold up where is henriksson?

if he was the warden

all the time

[royal crow]

he is dead

[grave quest]

why

[royal crow]

Schaeffer kills him in R8A2

[grave quest]

nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[royal crow]

Schaeffer wanted to blow up garganta and Henrikson was like: bruh you are gonna kill us

[grave quest]

what are the neonato

[gilded vine]

This doesn't make sense as the c1 terminal says this worldline was not ventured

[grave quest]

what is the hole point around it

[gilded vine]

Seeds, to grow new KSOs

[royal crow]

the funny small HSU's?

[grave quest]

yeah

I have read a terminal I dont where

but in that they talked about

nam- v vaccine

the writer was

the minister

of agriculture

or something

[royal crow]

theres no way to fight NAM-V

every world NAM-V is present is the superior form of life

it consumes everything

[grave quest]

NUCLEAR FUSION does not think so

[royal crow]

||it will survive||

[grave quest]

one hammer does not think so

[royal crow]

lets just hammer NAM-V

lol

[grave quest]

we kill thousands of sleepers

and squidwards

[gilded vine]

Nothing could survive the core of a star

[royal crow]

well

we can try to nuke the world

and see if NAM V survives

[grave quest]

Pable

you are an imortal tank

that is agianst the nam . v

?

[royal crow]

stabby stab

[grave quest]

why the sleepers in some way are funny

I mean

you see them run

[royal crow]

they run like naruto

[grave quest]

xd

[cobalt mulch]

neonates were wrdn trying (and succeeding at least twice) to get mobile, get a body with a chip, walk around and interact directly. og r6, schaeffer kills one. alt r6 one is found killed next to 2 alt ksos, bishop and dauda? ...

[royal crow]

yes, Bishop and Dauda

actually heres something interesting

[grave quest]

GTFO: if schaeffer did not exist

[royal crow]

the squad from the ALT dimension is already dead

[grave quest]

why

[cobalt mulch]

the neos were void of environmental influence, no schooling no adolescence nothing to block pure "programming"

[royal crow]

who knows

what we know is

we dont have skill issue

[grave quest]

but we wont have gtfo 2

[royal crow]

we need STFU

[grave quest]

STFU?

[royal crow]

Shut The Fuck Up

[grave quest]

Sus Terminator fancy uranus?

[royal crow]

heh

ur anus

sorry

[grave quest]

what are the traps?

durant was talking about

[royal crow]

idk

maybe some landmines

or sentries

[grave quest]

wjy is he so confused if he knows about mwp?

[royal crow]

okay

imagine living in an alternate dimension

and then you see a giant piece of metal appear out of nowhere

how would you react?

[grave quest]

maybe

thinking

that i am in the gtfo universe?

nah just joking

[royal crow]

you have 30 years to live before everything goes to shit

enjoy life

[grave quest]

why is it called nightmare?

I mean is more likely heaven

[royal crow]

[grave quest]

at least duran did not kill us I was thinking that ending would be: we escape and reach the clean universe , but suddenly two guards appear and we die

XD

[royal crow]

thats better than waiting 5 weeks until you die horribly

[grave quest]

you transform in a monster with superpowers

thats cool

[grave quest]

at least you die in the outside

[royal crow]

i dont think being a sleeper is cool

[grave quest]

not in a nightmare complex

the squidwars are the virus nam-v?

fliers

[royal crow]

nope

they are from another species

found in destination

(desert planet)

[grave quest]

Why the sleepers arent agressive to them?

why the fliers did not get infected

[royal crow]

they are infected

those fliers and giant squidwars were once "normal" species like Humans

but they are from a different dimension

[grave quest]

where is warden¨s main frame?

[royal crow]

i have no idea

Frosty can answer your question about that iguess

but she is at work

[grave quest]

as I said before in the nightmare dimension there were dead bodies

I think that is very important

that means that something has happened

[royal crow]

yup

[grave quest]

maybe a civil war

[royal crow]

as you can see the infection was already worse than our dimension

[grave quest]

but it wasnt clear?

[royal crow]

someone tried to make a final stand and died

[grave quest]

but

nightmare

was clean

wasnt it?

that was the hole point

going to a clean universe

[royal crow]

i think you are mixing the dimensions and stuff

Jungle world is the clean one

[grave quest]

ok

[royal crow]

Nightmare is the place you get warped when picking the data cubes in R8B1

i call it nightmare dimension

idk if it has another official name

[grave quest]

In jungle universe

is there any humanity

appart of daunt

durant

and his team?

[royal crow]

i dont think so

[grave quest]

so the traps?

the restricted area

is kinda SUS

[royal crow]

yeah i have the same question than you

its like we arent the first ones to go there

aside form Durant and stuff

[grave quest]

the true ending of gtfo : it was all a dream

[royal crow]

damn

it was all in our head

nothing is real

[grave quest]

this sounds crazy

but what if we tried

to coexist with the virus

maybe there is some way to talk to it

[royal crow]

talk to the virus?

i dont think its that smart

[grave quest]

I meann

[royal crow]

it just goes and infect things to keep living

[grave quest]

is the supreme life force

but wait

is a virus

that thing doesnt havel ife

[royal crow]

that doesnt mean they are inteligent

[grave quest]

is a parasite

[royal crow]

look at humans, we are the "supreme life force of the planet" and we do stupid shit all the time

[grave quest]

but more than a virus

seems the perfect bio weapon

[royal crow]

you are cooking something

[grave quest]

probably it was created by the humans like that

but the usual

things

[royal crow]

theres a theory that says the virus was orignally a Bio weapon

made by Aliens or other species

[grave quest]

but that species

if that species created that there would be 3 options : they are dead as a creators os that , they are inmune or they have DA CURE

[royal crow]

||they are dead||

[grave quest]

so if we take E=mc2 we got :

[royal crow]

so

[grave quest]

CALLE IS THE CREATOR

[royal crow]

the Aliens we find in GTFO universe in our planet are named the "collectors"

they are in exile from their species

[grave quest]

exile?

[royal crow]

they got kicked

[grave quest]

how

they were forced to escape

hold up

[royal crow]

@grave quest

shit, sorry for the ping Frosty

[grave quest]

wait

maybe the virus

is not perfect at all

if it were perfect it would be unbeteable

the human version can resist some shoots , while squidward version only one or two

so the bioweapon in its more perfect form would be inmortal tank

[royal crow]

the inmortal tank is an interesting situation

[grave quest]

maybe the inmorral tank is similar to the original virus , becfause the viruses have mutations

[royal crow]

we only see him once
and thats in R7E1

after we brake out from Warden control

[grave quest]

but the virus needs a host

if the host dies

it dies

the virus cant produce nutrients

[royal crow]

have you played Dead Space?

[grave quest]

no but I watched it on yt

[royal crow]

okay

so you know that the necromorphs are still alive even if you cut their limbs or they stop moving or you "kill them"

something similar with the sleepers

[grave quest]

yeah

but a virus needs nutrient

if it runs out of it

[royal crow]

the sleepers produces its own

with the help of the virus and the parasite

how?

idk im not a biologist

[grave quest]

so is not a virus nor a parasite

is a life form

[royal crow]

it was originally the virus

ONLY the virus

but it came in contact with the parasite and it managed to co-exist

[grave quest]

My point was that maybe the virus is like an extrra dimension thing it infects completely an universe and then it dissapears so that reality dissapears

[royal crow]

nah

that would be cool

but nah

[grave quest]

symbiosis

I studied that

two species

[royal crow]

oh?

[grave quest]

that obtain mutual benefit

like a shark and a fish that I dont remember its name

the fish cleans the shark teeths , the fish gets nutrient from that

and protection from the shark

other example is the alga and fungus

[royal crow]

yeah it works like that

or similar

[grave quest]

My biology classes were worth it in a way

XD

[royal crow]

i never payed attention to biology

maybe i should have

[grave quest]

I think I will study a degree related to research

For cures

This idea doesn't came from gtfo

XD

[royal crow]

maybe you cure NAM-V

[grave quest]

Or create it 😈

Technically Inmortal tank solos >>>>> all gtfo universe

[eternal talon]

we hear durant talking to us before the credits roll telling us to stay where we are... so meh

[eternal talon]

we dont know. presumably it is embedded in biocom's systems, but we have only been to one such server room, and if that was the main hub, schaeffer would have had us just kill it rather than insert the memory stick

we do know the main server hub is in KDS-deep however

as in logs it was temporarily stored in hangar #4 before being moved when construction finished

[eternal talon]

none that i know.

[royal crow]

yes that one

spooky place

[eternal talon]

depends. time runs slower there than our home dimension, but its entirely possible they could have attempted to populate there when they realized there was no going home. their total compliment was ~10-12 scientists and 4 KSOs.

i have no idea the genetic consequences of a gene pool that small though.

[eternal talon]

we are, otherwise they'd already be dead. (unless you are meaning clean worldline to clean worldline travel)

[royal crow]

diseases, deformities and low fertility chance

[eternal talon]

you say that but... og gamescom trailer is all in dauda's nightmares

[royal crow]

[eternal talon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vSYJckIfi8

[royal crow]

who the fuck is North

[eternal talon]

you'd have better luck forming a symbiotic pairing with an uninfected parasite to become superhuman sort of like the husk cult in barotrauma. The virus means only death

actually.... that'd be sick as fuck....

husk cult but sleepers

[eternal talon]

they are classified at parasitidae, which are Mites, so i doubt it. too small

[eternal talon]

that was the the running theory for destination back in r6/r7. that it was the home planet of the aliens and they were wiped out, with survivors fleeing to the earth in the ship but got infected along the way and crashed

we still dont know what destination's all about or what it once was.

[eternal talon]

well keep in mind they werent designed as a symbiotic pair. the virus came first. the parasite (and thus sleepers) where not intentional

[eternal talon]

r8a2 secondary has one

[royal crow]

yeah but R8A2 sec is weird

we die at the end

[eternal talon]

(training is supposed to be in VR so mlem)

[royal crow]

mfs put a mother in training

[eternal talon]

(and it is the training expedition just with new enemies)

[royal crow]

LOL

[eternal talon]

not quite... they have limits.
(i still remember the walking legs enemy my god)

[royal crow]

what i mean with they are alive is even if they arent moving the virus or whatever they have inside is still alive

[eternal talon]

exactly, that is why the pairing is so OP. sleepers are infinite fuel

[eternal talon]

i dont think you need to be. them being immortal and being able to infinitely hibernate is already "matter cannot be created nor destroyed" levels of wierd.

[eternal talon]

virus kills everything but burns itself out.
parasite takes over hosts but is individually weak and cannot last long.

together:

virus gets to infinitely feed off the parasite'd host
parasite gets to live forever

[royal crow]

also bullpup rifle enjoyer?

[eternal talon]

i like shotguns.

s870 pog

[royal crow]

lol

that explains the scattergun

[eternal talon]

also the OP and founder of the #Maulmen post office

and the bonk bat cat

i've been here for too long, lol

[broken oriole]

where did henricksson go?

[eternal talon]

To the afterlife

[celest pagoda]

just witnessed the ending

there are so many things we never got answers to

so much cool shit we never got to see

this just sucks mannn

[half lava]

Ending was so underwhelming. 5 years for this dumpster fire?

[fresh gyro]

dam

🙏

[half lava]

I really hope they add more. This is weak

[gilded vine]

????????

Mid opinion tbh

[half lava]

thats okay. you dont need to agree with me.

[winter oracle]

It is so sad that we've lost henrikson in just A2(a1 for og team)

[gilded vine]

Bro gets like 3 sentences in the entire rundown

[grave quest]

A parasite needs continuous nutrients of the host this sounds a bit contradictory , but for a virus or a parasite their main goal would be not to killing the host

Because

At least in our reality , I mean the real life

The parasite gets nutrient from the host

And the virus reproduces with the host cells

So if the host dies

The parasite and the virus can easily die

So , Actually☝️🤓 the scientific reason behind the nam-v is not valid

[frail vessel]

Scientific reason - when viruse(s) FIRST time try to infect specific creature as the host (human covid in 2019-2020), it do its things REALLY aggressive

[grave quest]

Yeah

[frail vessel]

After that viruse adjusts not to kill host

[grave quest]

Yeah

[frail vessel]

literally me

[grave quest]

XD

[grave quest]

But at the end or the host immune system kills da virus or the virus kills the host

[frail vessel]

Ye ofc

But my point is

If virus is not familiar with the host, it will be aggressive, killing host in the process kinda fast, if its strong virus

You got the point

[grave quest]

But what about the parasite

[frail vessel]

Its how real life works at least

Not sure whats with virus in gtfo

[grave quest]

They talk about that the virus is a symbiosis between the parasite and the original virus

But I don't think it is a valid position

[frail vessel]

Well in the game it is, but not sure how real it could be IRL

[grave quest]

Let me explain the relation between the host and a virus and a host and a parasite is parasitism

The parasite

Gets nutrient from host

So if the host dies

Parasite diss

Dies

So the sleepers

Should die after a time

Maybe the nam-v is a regulator of population or it is used to destroy unicerses

Universes

Because when it kills everyone

Maybe it kills because of no nutrients

So 🤓☝️

[rocky wraith]

Actually you are factually wrong here lol

The cycle of most viruses are all lytic, requiring the destruction of the host cell in order to spread

[grave quest]

yeah

[rocky wraith]

It's the same thing here with NAM-V

[grave quest]

yeah but you forget

where is the host cells

if he dies

I mean they are not unlimited

based on that sleepers should die

[rocky wraith]

That's what the parasite is for

[grave quest]

a parasite works on the same way

[rocky wraith]

the parasite prolongs the hosts life cycle so that the virus can continuously replicate

[grave quest]

it neeads a host

to get nutrients from

[rocky wraith]

Yes, humans

[grave quest]

yeah

but we need food and water in order to get nutrients

a human itself cant produce nutrients

[rocky wraith]

which is why the sleepers consume the biomass of people

[grave quest]

but the biomass is not unlimited

in one time

[rocky wraith]

they also engage in autocannabilism

[grave quest]

better

[rocky wraith]

yup, which is why they spread

[grave quest]

sleepers killing each other

[grave quest]

yes but by the time we are in gargantua humanity will have almos disappear

[rocky wraith]

Which is when they will spread to new timelines

[grave quest]

but they need mwp

and they cant return to the og timeline

without that

[rocky wraith]

not really, they just need tethers that won't close

[grave quest]

yeah but

an isolated sleeper

in an isolated room

will die

of inanination

ok hol up

[rocky wraith]

eventually, but the catatonic state they enter allows them to survive for a very long time

[grave quest]

I got an interesting theory

[rocky wraith]

as seen in Destination

[grave quest]

what destination

what is it

[rocky wraith]

Have you not played R6, R7, or R8?

[grave quest]

yeah

3 of them

[rocky wraith]

Destination is the planet we get teleported to

[grave quest]

let me explain my theory

[rocky wraith]

The sleepers there have survived for millions of years

[grave quest]

I have a theory

When sleepers are "sleep" maybe they enter in a hibernation like the bears , bu this hibernation is very long

like million of years

so when they detect a fresh host

they hunt it

[rocky wraith]

Yeah, this is why they are called sleepers

[grave quest]

so get more nutrients so and then they got to " sleep"

So my point is

If somehow we were in a safe zone unrecheable for sleepers

and turn on speaker in order to wake them

they would die because they would run out of energy

proobably leading it to cannibalism

[rocky wraith]

habituation would prevent that

[grave quest]

if we based that in theory of evolution of Darwin

that takes a lot of generations an years

but it is also a virus

it mutates

but in order to mutate

it needs to expand

so

[rocky wraith]

You are lacking fundemental aspects on how viruses evolve

[grave quest]

probably

[rocky wraith]

They evolve FAST

like ridiculously fast

[grave quest]

they need reproduction in order to that

but yes

[rocky wraith]

only within host cells

[grave quest]

but the evolution

the mutation is uncontrolled

[rocky wraith]

one cell generates thousands to millions of viruses, natural selection means only the functioning and better viruses survive to infect the next cells. At a standard mutation rate of viruses combined with horizontal gene-sharing the virus can evolve within a single host to overcome the next problem

[grave quest]

yes

I understand you

[rocky wraith]

Combined with the aspects of habituation, your speaker strat wouldn't work

Repeated exposure would do less to awaken them

[grave quest]

so this leads me to other theory

if we use speakers in all the complex

the sleepers would be less sensible to sound

so maybe the alarms would not wake them

so they techically would be "pacified"

[grave quest]

good point there

[rocky wraith]

Except that the speakers operate on a fixed frequency range that they would be able to tune out with time

[grave quest]

tune out ?

what does it mean

sorry I am not native speaker

of english

[rocky wraith]

So many sounds can be basically mentally turned off after listening to them for a long time. you still hear them audibly, but mentally you are processing everything else alongside that sound. So if you were to walk in a room with those habitualised sleepers, they would still pick up the frequency of your walking causing abnormal vibrations

[grave quest]

that is true probably

how the hell do you know that?

XD

[rocky wraith]

I have a bachelors in molecular biology

[grave quest]

bachelors

a degree?

[rocky wraith]

yeah

[grave quest]

I am studying the previous thing of a degree

In spain is called "bachillerato"

we have subjects and we het points and then we do an exam

then there is an average and we get a number

out of 14

with that number we can enter into univeristies

depending on the entrance mark , In my "bachillerato" I study appart from other subjects , biology but in a very superficial

the most deep we get in to viruses is the parasite relation with the host

and vaccines

no mor

[rocky wraith]

Pretty good

[grave quest]

Also we have studied lamarck , Darwin , Mendel

neutralism

symbiosis and species relations

[rocky wraith]

Mendels a good study on statistics

[grave quest]

I had to do a work about him

[rocky wraith]

They reckon he faked his pea plant numbers once he saw the patterns arising in his crops. Turns out he may have been too accurate with the exact ratios he was producing

But he regardlessly advanced gene theory massively

[grave quest]

I understand some of what you are writing but the fact that english is not my main language

and my b asic knowledge XD

[rocky wraith]

Your english is still great! Don't be disheartened! It just takes time

[grave quest]

thanks !!!

But here in spain

our education system in english is very bad

we study only grammar

[rocky wraith]

Well, practice is the important part, and I'm sure you'll get a lot of that here lol

[grave quest]

yes XD

one question

appart from gtfo is it possible that a symbiosis of parasite and virus exists?

[rocky wraith]

Yes!

The closest example I know of is of bacteria and parasites being co-dependent on each other.

[grave quest]

interesting

[rocky wraith]

I'll try and find the example

Wolbachia bacteria and Onchocerciasis

Basically a parasitic worm and a bacteria

The worms require the bacteria to reproduce, and the bacteria require the worms as a host

[grave quest]

but , the bacteria is behaving as a parasite , is not it?

[rocky wraith]

All relationships can be characterised as parasitism,

but the important part is in the degree of parasitism

[fresh gyro]

:\

[rocky wraith]

here, the bacteria is required for the parasite

so the end result is that it looks more mutualistic

[grave quest]

I understand , sorry but I gotta go. good conversation

[rocky wraith]

ttyl!

[lofty warren]

Is there already a full lore page? I’ve been out of the loop for a while and trying to get back in.

[rocky wraith]

Check the 'for dummies' document in the pinned messages