gtfo-lore

[peak frigate]

Nice nice

[broken oriole]

where did original schaeffer go may i ask?

[eternal talon]

Then why are you in the lore channel? Lmao

[peak frigate]

Ate too many spoilers at this point

[eternal talon]

Much to my dismay, he didn't go anywhere. When he and alt schaeffer were fighting at that terminal, we finally caught up to him. We drowned them both.

We find their corpses and impersonate them to trick the alt// squad into giving us the goodies

Okay, I am finally caught up! (With all the posts in the chat channel this morning)

[broken oriole]

wait... so there are multiple kds deep vault? e1 and e2 are different kds deep?

[eternal talon]

No

We are on the other side of that door.

Og and alt squads are literally a mere dozen meters away from eachother at the end of r8

I mean I guess... but his conclusions are wildly inaccurate and disproven immediately just by reading ANY of the logs that mention the virus. He calls it a fungus, for god's sake. Then he has a reputation for deleting all of the comments under his videos correcting him

If you are making a video on the lore of the game, step 0 should be to read/experience the lore of the game

[fossil kernel]

i mean

the lore of gtfo is kinda convoluted

i dont blame him

[limpid flume]

The info is out there tho

Idk if it was when they made the videos, but still

[fossil kernel]

one sec i think my computer is being a bitch

[eternal talon]

I do. The effort is on him. Nobody forced him to cover the story of a game he didn't even understand. (And again, he deleted commends showing him he was wrong. What do you call that)

[fossil kernel]

meh

[eternal talon]

It was, because I was mad about it the day those videos went live. (I'm always searching the internet for lore videos to review)

[fossil kernel]

man thats commitment

or something else

[eternal talon]

This is a hobby of mine.

[fossil kernel]

what now that gtfo is over?

do the lore of den of wolves lol

[eternal talon]

I'll continue to work on my modding projects, but otherwise remain here to help

[eternal talon]

I looked at the trailers and the linked page in game. I didn't find it interesting.

[fossil kernel]

of course

[eternal talon]

I don't want to put effort into theorizing on a game that doesn't even exist yet.

[fossil kernel]

i wont be needed

there wont be any interesting lore

no monsters etc etc

[eternal talon]

There are tons of new monsters in modding. With entirely custom mechanics too.

[fossil kernel]

i'm still mad that we didnt get to fully understand sleepers

[fossil kernel]

hmmm

im tempted

[eternal talon]

The modding community for this game, while small, is very dedicated

I myself work and maintain a total conversion mod. It's *fairly vanilla, so would probably be a decent start/introduction into the modding scene

You can find links to the servers in #hc-modded

[fossil kernel]

which one?

[eternal talon]

We know quite a lot about them. What would you like to know?

[fossil kernel]

the modding or thermosomethingsomething

[fossil kernel]

their biology

how theyre made

like

[eternal talon]

Mine is Projekt Thermonuclear. The Unofficial Modding Discord is like a hub where you can find most/all other modded rundowns and their developers.

[fossil kernel]

okay its the virus and parasites and all

[fossil kernel]

k K

[eternal talon]

We know that

[fossil kernel]

and the fucking tongues

i always wanted to know why,how do they work

if it is the full sized parasite

or just a mutated intestine

[eternal talon]

Humans are infected with nam-v, and begin to mutate, like a cancer, which would eventually kill them.

If a parasite gets to a host before the virus kills said host, it will burrow into their skin and begin the transformation.

It will rapidly accelerate the host's mutations, make its way to the top of the spine, and take over the host's motor functions. (And whatever else). The human, is still technically alive in every sleeper, just with no control over their bodies.

Depending on what the original host was like, the parasite will use that material to build whatever is needed for its hive at the moment.

For example, a buff bodybuilder. It is likely the parasite would take advantage of that and turn said host into a Giant or a Charger

[fossil kernel]

right right

[eternal talon]

Neither. On bisected sleeper corpses, we can find the intestines largely intact, and the parasites themselves are described as similar to Mites. That my friend, is the host's mutated and overgrown tongue. Like a licker from resident evil on steroids

[fossil kernel]

hmm

understood

so the purpose of the tongues is maybe to suck the blood of victims

ok ok

[eternal talon]

Once a colony has been established, sleepers generally have two ways of repopulating and growing their numbers.

[fossil kernel]

the coocons and mothers right?

[broken oriole]

don't do this challenge if you are GTFO player 🤣

[eternal talon]

1. the ceiling respawn sacks, where they reproduce by cloning themselves, like most single celled organisms do.

2. mothers, where they take advantage of an infected female host to give birth to thousands of children, rapidly infected and converting them to sleepers in the process

[eternal talon]

You'll die from nam-v in 5 weeks and garganta is site zero, so even if you do take that challenge and avoid all sleepers, you'll return and doom your world to extinction from the nam-v virus

[fossil kernel]

the mothers have two bodies fused right?

my guess is that one of them is male?

the top one probally?

[eternal talon]

Sleepers as a whole exist for one singular reason. To preserve the infection. Nam-v is so hyperlethal and so fast, it'll eat through entire continents in a matter of months, run out of food, and starve out leaving a dead world behind.

Nam-v is symbiotic with the parasite, and somehow makes it, and it's host immortal. (To aging and decay, not damage from bullets, like irl lobsters).

Sleepers are an infinite fuel tank for the virus. After it kills everything, it can just sit dormant for trillions of years before being awoken to feed again

[eternal talon]

I do not remember

I'd have to get a better look at their model

[fossil kernel]

understood

[eternal talon]

Do you have any questions?

Or did that just about cover it

[fossil kernel]

nah its alright

i just care about the biology

[eternal talon]

Well, I am always here if you change your mind or discover something new you want context for

[fossil kernel]

okie

thankies

oh im going to check out your mod project

[obtuse raptor]

Has there been any development in decoding the audio file from R1B2 ? I seem to remember it being a dead end but I haven't followed up on the discussion around it.

[eternal talon]

As far as I am aware nobody has solved it.

[obtuse raptor]

I just found out about it and I'm wondering if there are any compilation of everything tried about it, I just want to avoid reinventing the wheel

[rare cedar]

i love when we hear both normal and alt schaffer commanding our og team / alt team at the same time

i havent played e2 but im guessing our alt/og versions blew the kds deep up only for it to be found by our og/alt versions

[final sentinel]

also I realized we never looked for stuff with the START command

[frail pollen]

o.0

[obtuse raptor]

whats the start command ? is it something from the terminal ?

[rustic cedar]

Yes but it needs an executable file to run which we haven’t found

Did we discover what the executable file type is for the terminals or would it just be .exe

[cunning light]

Having the extension definitely helps at least. We know it is not just a ".log" file

As to what it is exactly though, I have no idea :(

[cobalt mulch]

most probably noone but the coders will ever know

to me it sounded like some sort of shell script .bat file launching thing but sherlock failed. again.

🕵️ 🔎

[eternal talon]

? You've got me so confused by these two posts

Alt schaeffer never commands the OG team, and OG schaeffer also doesn't command the alt team.

They kill eachother and we (as og team) impersonate alt//schaeffer to steal the alt// team's datacubes

Schaeffer blew up the complex, not us.

The missing bits of kds-deep is simply because the jump dragged half of the site with it

.
Og team killed both schaeffers, stole the alt// team's data cubes, and left to the clean membrane (infecting it in the proccess), and leaving the alt// team to rot.

There were no winners.

[cunning light]

OG team is quite a bunch of bastards. But I can hardly blame them, considering what they had to go through.

[eternal talon]

I'm kind of mixed. They were going to die anyway. They just took out an entire clean world and the only survivors from earth for no reason

[cunning light]

It is grim. But I mean. What could we expect, based on this game story ? :)

[eternal talon]

I know from our squad's backstory that they aren't good people... but I'd hoped for a little bit of selflessness

[final sentinel]

wait, did Scaler not almost exactly nail what would happen in R8?

[eternal talon]

No, because he said we play as the alt team in alt. That was the primary argument with his video anyway. We know the team originally from alt died because of r6cx

[cunning light]

He got quite a few details off

[final sentinel]

huh, I thought the alt timeline would be the alt prisoners as well

[cunning light]

I still disagree with that statement :)

To me R6CX are the same as the ones found in R8

[final sentinel]

I still think alt team was alt rundowns

[eternal talon]

All of the many worldlines (noodles) turned into a bowl of spaghetti in r8

[final sentinel]

yeah, that's what I thought

[cunning light]

Some unfortunate atlernate versions of our squad

[eternal talon]

I disagree because the ones we find in altr6 are in the same scenario as the one schaeffer described, pre-collapse

That one log is why at this point (even with r8) I still disagree

[cunning light]

Schaeffer only mentions "operatives", hinting that he did not know of them. Then in Alt://R6D1 he leaves a message for "Woods, Dauda, Bishop and Hackett"

[final sentinel]

I don't see why the OG version of our squad would suddenly do everything all over again, and not at all question it. Plus, they never try to find ALT schaeffer, in R8, which seems REALLY weird considering in R6D1 we pick up the objective that we carry out in R8A1 as the ALT prisoners

[eternal talon]

Because of his research and the audio log talking about us in his hideout in r6ex

[final sentinel]

idk why the OG team would pick up that ALT objective and then just disregard it and suddenly start following OG schaeffer again

the ALT R6D1 team is clearly the same team as R8A1

[eternal talon]

You misunderstand. We ONLY play as og in the original rundowns and the second half of r8

I'm saying the team we play as in alt is an entirely unknown version of us

[final sentinel]

that's what I've been saying

huh?

[eternal talon]

Alt found the second bishop's mask before collapse aswell

But that log wasn't in the og worldline

I'm saying the alt squad died in alt, then a new squad ended up in the dimension and did the alt rundowns

(Not our og)

[final sentinel]

ah ok, where would the alt squad have died then?

[eternal talon]

Like how our schaeffer ended up in alt// (r1d1 morse), yet ended up back for r8 in the spaghetti

[final sentinel]

was that OG schaeffer?

[eternal talon]

R6cx. We don't know where the other two died, but in the intro to r8 a1 we find a lone Hackett corpse and woods. That could be them

[final sentinel]

I'm still inclined to believe that we're finding dead prisoners from 3rd and 4th and so on dimensions

but hey, we don't know for sure

[eternal talon]

We do later on I 100% agree like the corpses of d1 are another squad version of us

But it's also good to remember that that number isn't limited. There are an infinite number of us that have died

[final sentinel]

oh I know

that's why I think the squad we play as in ALT is the ALT squad

[eternal talon]

In the alt// log? I doubt it, since that would still be back when OG is going on

[final sentinel]

I see no reason why a third, unrelated team from another dimension would carry out the entire R1-6 objective stack, and then suddenly defect to ALT schaeffer to try and jump to a new dimension

why would they even be here in the first place?

[eternal talon]

They would do so because we are all slaves. The free will aspect is non existent. We do missions because we are forced to.

As to how they get here, that is unanswered like many others, like og schaeffer in alt//r1d1, bishops' masks, and all of the corpses.

It's just explained as the matter wave slowly collapsing over time

[stone vine]

there are 3 universes

events of r8 would be impossible otherwise

:3

[final sentinel]

more than 3 mate

[stone vine]

i am pretty sure b2 contains 3 universes also because the entire level is kind of centered around being confused

[final sentinel]

we seen at least 3 hackett corpses

alone

[stone vine]

i mean as what is directly linked to our lore

sure theres infinite

but not every universe is significant

likely the reason why checkpoints exist has to do with there being shit loads of us

we can also clone ourselves

warden has our memories on a chip

in b2 you go to 1 distinct universe that looks all beat up and weird, but you also go to a universe that's clean but slightly different

one of the warps you do is just to some completely random complex

im dont think the spore place is alt i think the corrupted stuff comes from just a corrupted universe

unless i am missing some key evidence

all in all destination and all the universes it has are merging together slightly

to the point where actions in one universe will repeat in every other univers, ie us dying in alt -> every other universes version of us dying to almost the exact same thing

we are 100% not the people in alt due to the whole duality of being on each side thing but the people in alt are not the alt prisoners

[final sentinel]

I think clones was disproved a while back, but tbh, with the amount of corpses, it's not entirely unfeasible that an ALT universe had cloning tech and was just spamming our universe with clones

[stone vine]

clones aren't disproved

[final sentinel]

I meant for checkpoints, iirc

[stone vine]

hmmm

[final sentinel]

could be wrong tho

who knows at this point

[stone vine]

id like to take a look at that cuz that seems a bit faulty but i also dont rlly know

yeah

the lore is in shambles

genuinly think warden just pulls in alter dimensional prisoners anytime they need new ones

[final sentinel]

ehhhh lore definitely isn't in shambles

[stone vine]

is

[final sentinel]

but we just have seen nothing pointing to the use/existence of clones

[stone vine]

most of it us "up to intepretation"

is*

[final sentinel]

which is why I'm inclined to not think it's a thing

[stone vine]

thats my point there is nothing to explain it

its just what u think

[final sentinel]

with all the dimension fuckery, I very much think they're all just coming from other dimensions

[stone vine]

yes

[final sentinel]

and getting hit by sleepers like trucks

[stone vine]

i agree with that

[final sentinel]

and dying

again and again and again and again

[stone vine]

clones just are a possibility

so i dont rule it out

i dont even like clone theory

LMAO

[final sentinel]

bruhv

[stone vine]

i hate the lore ngl

[final sentinel]

my favorite theory was that R6D4 was the initiation/closing point of a time loop

[stone vine]

aliens were not the right way to fo

[final sentinel]

where the prisoners went through the rundowns, executing commands over and over

[stone vine]

can u imagine like it was actually just some insane biological virus even if it was man made

not a dumb bioweapon from alien wars

[final sentinel]

I think that's fun tbh

an alien bioweapon

[cunning light]

That would probably hit too close to how we as a species might end ourselves

[stone vine]

thats the interesting part

i wish this game went through more of the realistically morbid stuff bc it rlly does impact people

[final sentinel]

ehh I prefer nonrealism

and tbh, it's GTFO

[stone vine]

sure its all opinion

this rundown did actually hit on the morbid stuff quite abit

with schaeffer and the mom stuff

[final sentinel]

we can be as unrealistic as we want at this point, we killed a 50 story behemoth by shooting tiny bullets into 5 bubbles

[cunning light]

The logs about how the virus spread and tore through our whole civilization as a whole are quite "realistic"

[stone vine]

ive never rlly been disturbed before until hearing like someone actually die and also reading about something and then actually seeing it and knowing its a person

like honestly mightve been the best thing in this game for me

the mom in d2

the voice acting was great

[stone vine]

ehhhhhh

yes

but also no

sure it could happen but like nam-v spread so fast

killed people so quick

and the only way sleepers exist is through a parasite

imo no more interesting than a zombie movie

[final sentinel]

did you read all the lore logs man? because it explains a lot of this

[stone vine]

the actual virus itself and how it works and stuff is really interesting

[final sentinel]

that sleepers act as the method for the virus to not kill itself off

[stone vine]

id like u to search my name in the top and see i wrote like actual documents abt it...

[final sentinel]

by symbiotically hosting with the parasite and turning sleepers immortal in terms of old age

[stone vine]

i just stopped after the sleeper stuff

[final sentinel]

huh

[stone vine]

oops

aline*

sorry brain dead

alien**

[stone vine]

there was a guy in here

a molecular bio major

[final sentinel]

oh yeah i remember him

smal beanz or something

[stone vine]

he also explained that the virus was infact impossible to be a normal virus and i realized that too

[final sentinel]

wait no that's a minecraft youtuber

[stone vine]

thus why it was only cool up until like r6 :p

viruses dont kill people

they do but not on purpose

nam-v is a killer on purpose but it needs a way to sustain itself in order to spread and kill more

thats why the parasite was perfect

but overall the goal was death and thus its a bioweapon no matter what and that ultimately makes it boring for me :/

im going into a biomedical major i like viruses :D

[final sentinel]

are there not viruses that kill irl?

like a lot?

[stone vine]

did u see what i said

[final sentinel]

yeah

not on purpose

[stone vine]

people adapt

[final sentinel]

that we know of

[stone vine]

viruses only kill when people are not used to them

[fresh gyro]

I mean considering how fast viruses mutate technically as long as one infected fast enough it could kill too

[stone vine]

thus why covid isnt as big of an issue anymore

[final sentinel]

ok so say people didn't have time to get used to ut

it

[stone vine]

it mutated so it was longer lasting and less fatal

both hosts and viruses adapt

[final sentinel]

mmm ok i see the point here

[stone vine]

depends on the virus

some are quite slow while covid was extremely fast for instance

[final sentinel]

yeaah ig that makes sense, tbh I just hope when we return to the universes of GTFO that we get a little more in-depth explanation of the aliens

[stone vine]

circle in r6 big explain

circle

lore is cirlce

[final sentinel]

circle?

[stone vine]

there was a circle in r6

[final sentinel]

I remember hearing ab this

[stone vine]

that ppl called an alien rock

[fresh gyro]

I mean it's not like namv lasts that long outside Gargantua cause all it's hosts die

[stone vine]

and i thought it was a dumb joke

i should never have laughed at it ;-;

[final sentinel]

what

what was it

[stone vine]

i straight thought alien theory was a joke till alt r6

[stone vine]

literally a cirlce

circle** on a rock

thats it

[final sentinel]

bruh what, what level

[fresh gyro]

Lmao

[stone vine]

r6 like d something

[final sentinel]

I assume B1

[stone vine]

maybe

[final sentinel]

oh it's in D1?

[stone vine]

hmm wait no

ur right b

b1

[final sentinel]

there are only 4 levels with rocks

[stone vine]

wherever we go for flyers

b to c

[final sentinel]

well, 6 but it obviously happened in main R6

[stone vine]

yes

i didnt rlly care much abt it so idrk where it is

[stone vine]

LMAOOO

r naught of 17

the devs were crazy for that*

considering its supposed to be for literal weird giant aliens i guess it wouldnt go well for tiny humans

yes nam-v would literally be able to mutate in a week if it were a natural virus

it mutates fast but for different reasons

[fresh gyro]

Honestly though considering how different we would be from the aliens how did it even infect us

:p

[stone vine]

who knows

[fresh gyro]

Dumb luck?

[stone vine]

i dont think they thought that out

id assume so yeah

and also parasite compatibility

[fresh gyro]

Yeah fair

[stone vine]

its all just sheer luck

[fresh gyro]

But the outside doesn't have parasites so

[stone vine]

virus was perfect for parasite perfect for humans

[stone vine]

still went extremely well in humans

like take the units for example

and everything dreyfus could make

[fresh gyro]

Then why do most timelines have the same result

Does the virus just mutate perfectly every time

[stone vine]

not in every universe

there are clean universes

[fresh gyro]

Hm

[stone vine]

but we r gonna spread it bc one of the endings is us going to a clean universe

and from there it repeats

so honestly

who knows if patient 0 was even patient 0 in our timeline

all manner of things could have happened i mean what if we accidentally tped to the santonian age

[fresh gyro]

Isn't the e2 ending some random jungly planet

[stone vine]

yes the clean universe

[fresh gyro]

Hm

[stone vine]

also a hint that we r likely restarting the cycle

considering a jungle? in mexico? why wouldnt we be next to the crater right

[fresh gyro]

Virus that relies on the high unlikely hood of one of it's hosts to teleport to a different planet and infect someone before they die

So real

[stone vine]

like i said i hate gtfo lore

relies on teleporting and aliens

:D

like its subnautica lore basically

[fresh gyro]

Magically compatible viruses

;3

[stone vine]

:3

i think the aliens might have done research on our planet

but like

from where

their magical rock spaceship lightyears away????

[fresh gyro]

But why

[stone vine]

they just so happened to stumble across the perfect planet

literally so far away theres a massive time warp

or the artifacts just accidentally sent them here by random chance

its basically a probability game

[fresh gyro]

Then why aren't most of the universes clean

[stone vine]

bc theyre all linked

universes are ALL connected

thus why the anamolies between our universes happen

[fresh gyro]

Hm

[stone vine]

its like say u start with a kitkat and u close ur eyes and break it in 4 pieces

those 4 pieces are very similar with slight differences

like universes all kind of branch off of like a "universe 0"

events in our universe directly impact everything

thats why a2 ending is a thing

we have 3 different oddly similar endings

e1 and a2 almost the exact same

[fresh gyro]

But why

[stone vine]

idk man thats just how it is

[fresh gyro]

Ok

[stone vine]

a lot of the things abt universes is that theyre random and like weird

infinite universes infinite possibilities

[obtuse raptor]

I don't know if it's been already found but transposing that audio log about 4 octaves up reveals a pulsating sequence hidden in the low frequency spectrum of the recording. It kind of looks like morse code or binary encoding since each pulse is quantized to a grid.

[stone vine]

oh god

allen log

[coarse canyon]

We saw that frequext before

That sub 20hz is technically in the realm of "physically felt" vs heard

[stone vine]

try matching it to frequencies of other noises

[coarse canyon]

Like sub auditory

[stone vine]

ur right tho its like the same pulsing over and over

the same exact pulse with different durations

[obtuse raptor]

yeah theres a pattern

[stone vine]

exactly like morse code

but id assume more complex

[obtuse raptor]

5 6 7 14

separated by a long hit

dunno what it means tho

maybe i'm looking at noise

[stone vine]

yeah exactly right

its all the same thing repeated

seperated by the long noise in the middle

[coarse canyon]

I octaved it up but it's not consistent enough for Morse.

[stone vine]

yeah no def not

similar

[coarse canyon]

But there is a pattern

[stone vine]

yep

can u send the audio?

like the file

[obtuse raptor]

sure

[stone vine]

thats the closest weve actually gotten to a connectiob

connection

great job on that

[obtuse raptor]

the only thing I think may be a lead

[stone vine]

definitely

thats not a coincidence

[obtuse raptor]

is if you try to look at the ASCII char for the counts of onsets

5 6 7 14 corresponds to instructions used by old school terminal systems

[stone vine]

oh yeah and it repeats perfectly

the end connects to the start

we js need to figure out one segment then

so maybe a warning?

like an alarm of sorts

[obtuse raptor]

5 == ENQ (enquiry, usually used for a request for connection)
6 == ACK (acknowledge, accept a connection)
7 == BEL (ring terminal bell)
14 == SO (shift out, or leave)

[stone vine]

yeah wtf thats crazy

[obtuse raptor]

again I may be lookingat noise

[stone vine]

can you send me the uh page for that id like to look

we just need to rethink of that in context

like where the log is and what other logs were in my bad alt r2

[obtuse raptor]

https://www.ascii-code.com/

[stone vine]

frosty said its in reponse to schaeffer

[obtuse raptor]

its in alt r1b2

[stone vine]

ok so wrong twice

[obtuse raptor]

I just went into the level to look at the terminal location there's nothing unusual

[stone vine]

embarrasing

[coarse canyon]

Last time we discussed this:#gtfo-lore message

[stone vine]

i have a bad memory

[coarse canyon]

Related to the audio log

[stone vine]

wow u can even see the pattern so clear now

[obtuse raptor]

i was expecting maybe some visual cue

[stone vine]

look

the pattern even on there is the same

:O

def right track

[obtuse raptor]

here's the sound file

[stone vine]

so request -> accepted request -> bell for some reason -> end of communication

that makes sense

but why

hrrrrmmmmmmmm

[obtuse raptor]

bell is an old command, you'd usually see this for fax machine and stuff which actually had a ringer

[stone vine]

yeah but would could it signify

thats interesting

i wonder if its warden to schaeffer

some sort of communication happening in early alt

that would make sense we know warden is the collector or whatever weird alien group it is

we know schaeffer knows warden is an alien now, but he couldve been lying

[obtuse raptor]

maybe, the log associated with the file is dated as well

july 2nd 2052

don't know how that relates to the full timeline

[stone vine]

search for every log dated 2052

thats prior to the initial blast

which would mean that schaeffer would've had comms before it even happend right?

like before they hit the inner and everything went crazy

could schaeffer have had a prior connection and thats why he is the person to actually break free and figure it all out?

[coarse canyon]

Ping

[stone vine]

it would make sense he actually remembered something but not what

[coarse canyon]

Bell could translate to a ping

[stone vine]

hmmm

im reaching here but its a possibility schaeffer was aware of the aliens

like helped warden in the first place

i mean it needed access into biocom

yk he was so persistent abt going deeper

and the aliens are also sending us to kds deep over and over, everywhere leads to "deeper"

now that im thinking there was no way schaeffer couldv'e remembered all that deeper stuff without some heavy connections to it right?

and im thinking schaeffer may have played a much deeper role in everything after the mom log

"john" is mentioned but no clue if its really him, if it is he definitely has some sort of insane involvement

[obtuse raptor]

assuming all this is ascii instructions

[stone vine]

yeah this would all be assuming ur correct

[obtuse raptor]

looking at your previous discussion I see you came to the same sequence as me but with one offset (i count 5 6 7 14) but @coarse canyon came to 6 7 8 15

did 6 7 8 15 lead to something like coordinates ?

[stone vine]

how did u count yours?

did u go by the dashes

[obtuse raptor]

I didn't include the last onset

only the short one

the part in the file where there's 2 long onsets are where the message start repeating

so I assume 1 long is a space between 'words' and 2 long is end message

[stone vine]

hmmmmm

[obtuse raptor]

also get this, in ascii SO (14) stands for shift out and goes by this definition:

Shift Out (SO) is a control character in ASCII. It is used to switch to an alternate character set or font,

[stone vine]

alternate

you say

lol

[obtuse raptor]

lol

I'm gonna try some other leads on this one

maybe it is some morse code of some sort

[stone vine]

it could be'

i can try to type it

[rotund fable]

is this morse code

[stone vine]

....--.....-......-.......-..............--....--.....-......-.......-..............-....--.....-......-

[obtuse raptor]

it sure is regular but it doesn't translate to any morse char set I know of

[stone vine]

yeah that doesnt look

super right

comes out to nothing

ur right

[obtuse raptor]

yeah I think the 4 onsets at the beginning are just the end of the previous loop of the message, so I'm disregarding that

[stone vine]

it is

[obtuse raptor]

so assuming we say short is X and long is Y

The sequence is

5x1y 6x1y 7x1y 14x2y

[cobalt mulch]

🍿

[stone vine]

yk what would be annoying

if it was morse but we have to figure out how to split it

and if the morse translates to a diff code

and we have to decipher that

wouldnt that be funny

[stone vine]

yeah it counts then jumps

this is so funky

ascii seems the most reasonable atm

[obtuse raptor]

yeah, trying to match this to the english alphabet doesn't work either because what word is four letter long and has 3 char that are consecutive

unless its an acronym or maybe a garganta employee code ?

[stone vine]

thats what im thinking

if it is morse its not a word

its either a code or a number

ill try it out

[stone vine]

this is the entire sound

start to finish correct?

bc if it is were missing a 4

it wouldnt be that sequence then if it repeats from end to beginning it would actually go to 4 not 14

if its cropped then its fine

[obtuse raptor]

this is the entire log

sped up

[stone vine]

yes it starts with 4

[copper arrow]

I have a theory for why universes seems kinda messed ip

[stone vine]

go for it

yeah i just cant tell

like whether it actually starts w 4

[copper arrow]

a while ago I kept talking about the time-symmetric theories of Quantum Mechanics, these theories tried to explain why Quantum Mechanics is a probabilistic theory

[stone vine]

hold on i slowed it down

im gonna listen

its got a loud noise at the end but not as loud as the rest

its like quiet

not sure if its important but subtly different

[copper arrow]

That is, every Quantum Decoherence, that is, every "observation" that confirms an event, requires one part information from the past, and one part information from the future

therefore, our present is not only determined by our past, but also future

Matter Wave Projector changes the quantum frequencies of things and therefore project them to a different universe, but that needs a price to pay, because you simply aren't there anymore, this presence of you in this universe gets disrupted

[stone vine]

i feel like we cant rule the 4 out, its just like were missing an entire 15 beat segment

why wouldnt they just start it from the beginning of the sequence?

i feel like its significant

[copper arrow]

the two parts of information that confirms your present existence no longer entails your existence, therefore the timeline must make up for your teleportation

as such, both the past and the future became/will become slightly different

iirc, from the logs, the machine tethers for a signal from the future, I assume that this teleportation must be confirmed from the future, a la "you would have been teleported", to ensure timeline consistency

similar to that of TENET

[stone vine]

IIMIIAIIIDIIAIIIIIIIMIIMIIAIIINIIITIIIIIIINIANIIDII (T) pairs of two excluding the final dash

[copper arrow]

but I suppose human fucked around with the data cubes so we can see visible artifacts from this teleportation? i.e. Mr. Truth's memory on earthquake, etc.

[stone vine]

EEEETTEEEEETEEEEEETEEEEEEETEEEEEEEEEEEEEETTEEEETTEEEEETEEEEEETEEEEEEETEEEEEEEEEEEEEETEEEETTEEEEETEEEEEET 1 each

[eternal talon]

Hi, at work rn, but simplest way I can explain the MWP works is this:

All worldlines are basically stacked ontop of eachother. The only thing that keeps you from experiencing all of them is the frequency. The matter wave projector adjusts your frequency (or that of anything it comes in contact with) to match the frequency of the target worldline designated by the data cubes.

Next, it teleports you to a specific location. For example, destination is a place in our own universe, in the butterfly nebula, 3k light years away. If you were to teleport there without matching frequency, you'd just end up in empty space.

The issues leading up into r8 is Insight and their experiments with the technology they don't fully understand.

We know from logs they have lost entire wings of their laboratory to malfunctions with the device, and as rundowns go toward r8, it seems all the different worldlines that have been vibrated through with it are starting to have errors, and overlap. Pulling terrain, creatures, and god knows what else with it.

Culminating in the E levels of r8, where at that point the OG and ALT squads are on the other side of a door from eachother. It's merged the entire planets together in frequency.

Really weird shit we don't have an explanation for other than it is malfunctioning

@ me questions and I'll get back sometime in the next couple hours, but i WILL get back to you

[stone vine]

SWSUSSDSUSSSSUDUDSDSRSSDSSSSBWSUSS(T) pairs of 3 excluding t

HZVHFHFHHHPVBFHLHLHHHBPHBV clusters of 4

ykw i just realized how truly scrambled this could get

seems to much work

too*

why not work backwards

[final sentinel]

Sus

[stone vine]

we could try key words

[copper arrow]

there are theree set of data required I suppose: Euclidean(Which means space), Frequency and… "Possibly Lightspeed", if you teleport to a place with matching Euclidean, but differs in Freq, I suppose you'd end up in a similar place but with different history, timeline, or so

[stone vine]

names

thingds

put them into a morse code gen and see if any match

[copper arrow]

if Lightspeed differs your size would be different and you'd possibly disintegrate into basic particles, that's what physics said I suppose

[stone vine]

alien log is yet again stumping us

we get a little further

and then its gibberish again bc we cant make 100% sense of it

[coarse canyon]

We a couple tried a cipher, nothing materialized

[copper arrow]

as such I think Euclidean corresponds to where a world occupies, and the frequencies corresponds to timelines of that world?

[stone vine]

im attemping to do morse code backwards

[fresh gyro]

are you certain our universe is euclidean

this is :3

very much

[stone vine]

like take every significant word about warden/schaeffer/the aliens

see if i can get a match

bc if it is a message itll eventually make sense

[copper arrow]

Euclidean here means the locational vector, we don't see the data so we don't know how many coords are there

[obtuse raptor]

to me its because the audio recording is just a snapshot of the repeating pattern

[coarse canyon]

Sounds like hell...

I'm in!

[coarse canyon]

But... What if we slow it down

😉

[obtuse raptor]

like if there's a similar pattern hidden in frequencies above 24 khz ?

we would need the original sampling rate of the original audio file tho

[stone vine]

yes but what if its not

[obtuse raptor]

just so we know when to stop looking

[stone vine]

this makes it

so much weirder

guys

ok so 2052 was huge for kds

was also the start of the warden interface hacking into biocom

starting to think maybe its not so farfetched that its something warden sent

kds deep/ wardem

warden

[coarse canyon]

I was being a goober

[stone vine]

start looking at maybe kds logs in 2052

[obtuse raptor]

lol here I am blasting sub heavy sounds in my studio speakers

[stone vine]

and warden logs

From: Marcus Gantus B623
To: Andre Piros A134
Date: March 8th 2052
Subject: Issues with BIOCOM network

Mr. Piros,

I've been running extended tests on the BIOCOM infrastructure to make sure signal integrity is consistent throughout the facility. All of our boosters are working and positioned correctly, and the chronoregulators are synchronizing all data transmissions and maintaining a propagation delay of no more than 0.5 microseconds. This should result in a network wide ping of 2ms; however, that is not what we're seeing. Below 500 meters the ping fluctuates between 2ms up to 25ms. Despite installing additional boosters and chronoregulators, we are unable to get a consistent PDT. Something is affecting our transfer speeds.

So, I took it upon myself to conduct a physical inspection of our FO network, and have found something I can't explain. In several locations (schematics attached) the optical cables have somehow enmeshed with the surrounding rock. I don't know much about geology, but the rock looks crystalline to me. Perhaps this is the Cretasium substance I have heard about? Whatever it is, it is enmeshing itself with the BIOCOM network infrastructure and affecting ping times. The system is running fine, but I thought you should know. I don't see how it could be considered a security risk, but there are places where our physical network is - for want of a better word - vulnerable.

We can handle up to a 45ms ping deviance in software so it's not an emergency, but I wanted to put you in the loop. Let me know how you'd like me to proceed.

Marcus

hold up i have an idea

[past matrix]

What did i miss

[obtuse raptor]

yeah this could mean allen log is an instance of that interference

[spiral gale]

My favorite part of R8 was when Schaefer said “ You guys need to GTFO” and then Hackett said “maybe the real warden protocols were the friends we made along the way”

[coarse canyon]

This seems to be indicating a physical enmeshing

[copper arrow]

yeah

[coarse canyon]

This is either a pitched down audio log from having to travel through distance and rock

Or is a percussive membrane sending low frequency pulses

Like, this is theoretically at the amplitude of shockwaves

Sperm whales can kill you in water kind of sounds

[stone vine]

what i was trying to see is that like yk how hammerstein was sending frequencies down to the inner

and one reacted with it

that would be the frequency they use

but it doesnt say what that is

no hz amount

[coarse canyon]

But it's 20hz so it's more like a blue whLe

Lol

[stone vine]

this game is very connected to water

sleepers r actually a lot like marine animals

specifically zooids

which is something hammerstein researched

:3 soooo not far off actually

that sounds correct

[coarse canyon]

This could simply be a matriarch sending out a resonance "ping"

[stone vine]

it could be

[coarse canyon]

Could be how sleepers are attracted to the complex

[stone vine]

thats the thing is it could be anything

😭

we need to either find another noise in game that connects to it, find a message, or disprove literally every option

this is an example of a blue whale

does have a similar pattern

like repition

repitition***

it quite simply could mark when the aliens started messing with stuff and maybe sent out a ping in order to interact with the biocom system?

[coarse canyon]

Could be the virus

It is called biocom

[stone vine]

my only issue is that whale noises are very repetitive on a sonic visualizer

meanwhile ours is not

its scattered

but again it could really just be due to limitations of a microphone

[coarse canyon]

Well... It ain't no whale, and its going through rock not water

[stone vine]

yeah exactly

plus it was man made

by whoever made that interesting noise

the only thing other than that is that there is so much relevance of kds deep and warden around that time period

this was the day before that incident

[stone vine]

it would rlly be funny if we did all this n it just had like

no significange

significance

[past matrix]

this is how 10cc is trying to keep gtfo alive

[eternal talon]

Overly complicated puzzles that nobody can solve?

Btw how do you guys know this audio is from 2052? Something I miss?

[obtuse raptor]

The audio is tied to a log which is dated from 2052

[queen gazelle]

Can’t wait for you guys to solve all the puzzles then it just leads to den of wolves ad

[royal crow]

please do not give them ideas

[lilac island]

Frosty what's ur read now with r8

[eternal talon]

in what regard?

i need some additional context to give you a good answer

[frail vessel]

Hey guys, maybe I'm missing something, but what's the point for OG squad to betray ALT squad? Why can't they teleport together and live peacefully ...

[eternal talon]

because alt// wanted to go to a clean worldline without the virus. we are infected. they would have refused to let us go with them, so we steal it from them and use it ourselves.

(yes, the world we went to is now doomed)

there is no good ending.

[warm root]

Maybe there is a good ending but we just never get to experience it 😔

[peak frigate]

Maybe it is out there for us to discover

Some hidden secondary/overload level that isnt shown, idk

[frail vessel]

So OG squad infected, ALT no?

[eternal talon]

Realistically both would be

[gilded vine]

Do we have actual evidence they are infected

Or was it schaeffers make it up on the spot argument to try and get schaeffer to give up

[frail vessel]

Ye that's what I'm thinking about

Like they've been through almost same shit, so how they won't be infected

[gilded vine]

If the sleepers contain the virus as well then 100% the teams are infected, however if they don't then who knows

[frail vessel]

Well sleepers are infected as well, so...

[gilded vine]

I know the virus originated from Garganta, but the sleepers came from an alternate dimension right

[royal crow]

the sleepers are process of the NAM-V virus

they are mutated humans

[peak frigate]

The virus is all around the whole complex, no?

They would be immediately infected ig

The moment they get out of hydrostatis

[neon wadi]

They were masks, but wouldnt infected fog immediately void any theory of unifected squad?

[peak frigate]

No clue

[brazen edge]

I think this is the more likely scenario

Main question should be, how would one team stay clean and the other team get infected? Both did similar things

[lilac island]

what squad is the one that makes it out, alt or OG?

[peak frigate]

Og

[lilac island]

And they doom the world they arrive to?

[brazen edge]

We don't know

[peak frigate]

If they are actually infected

[brazen edge]

We're discussing it currently

[peak frigate]

But why wouldnt they be

[brazen edge]

How does one know if they're infected?

[peak frigate]

Its more logical rn that they are infected lol

[peak frigate]

No clue

[brazen edge]

Why would it be logical?

Just curious on your perspective

I think instead of discussing "if" they are. It might be better to think, what did story writers try to say

Is OG team selfish enough to cause doom to another world?
Are they trying to make 1 good ending and 1 bad ending?
Is virus destined to destroy every universe/timeline?

But the issues is that we don't have any clues if they are infected or not. The only clue we have is what Schaeffer says, but that too can be different depending from the interpretation

[lilac island]

I still think its a bit of a bummer that 10 chambers obviously had more planned

[brazen edge]

I could interpret it as him trying to lie in order to mess up OG's plan, while someone else could interpret him as him trying to tell the truth to mess up the plans.
But then again, let's say OG team met ALT team, they wouldn't know that OG team is infected, so they wouldn't have a reason to not go alongside them

[peak frigate]

Oh, just that the virus is all around the complex. Altho I really dont know how efficient are the masks

[brazen edge]

So the virus is contagious through air?

[lilac island]

imagine if den of wolves is connected to GTFO somehow 💀

[peak frigate]

It sure is, also water

[brazen edge]

Other than that, the reason why I imagined the OG betrayed ALT is because of R8||D2||, when they ||pretended to be Schaeffer||

And I think that might cause the issue between OG and ALT team. Since OG had to figure out the way to convince other team to continue working while their Schaeffer ||died||

[peak frigate]

How far are you in the game rn

Level wise

[brazen edge]

Finished it

[peak frigate]

Ah

[brazen edge]

Depends

Go to spoiler chat

Or I guess I could write in spoiler

[royal crow]

lol

you can write normally here

spoilre rule doesnt count in this chat

[brazen edge]

Are prisoners clones?

Sweet

But real question though, are prisoners clones?

[royal crow]

no

[brazen edge]

Since in log 000-000-000, you have multiple entries for same people

Multiple John Sch.

[royal crow]

the prisioners arent
but they do talk about clones in the game

[brazen edge]

Some of them are active, inactive and deceased

But you do have multiple Woods, Hacket, Dauda and Bishop

In the log

[shy sky]

what happened at the end of R8A2?

[brazen edge]

https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/ALT://Rundown_2.0_Logs

Log 000-000-000

[royal crow]

R8A2 or R8A2 sec?

[broken oriole]

what is "KDS Deep Defence" and "Warden security" in r8e1??

[royal crow]

basically lockdown proccess

[broken oriole]

#gtfo-lore message
If warden is destroyed, what happened to BIOCOM? does it take over or the whole mainframe is gone?

[brazen edge]

Wait. If John Sch. and warden isn't in control, how do we go from D2 to E2?

Since John Schaeffer is dead and Warden isn't in control I guess

[royal crow]

maybe its an automatic response from Garganta systems

everything is going to hell
might as well have a security procedure to evacuate everyone

[brazen edge]

But why would it extract us?

[royal crow]

that includes people inside the HSU's

[royal crow]

part of the Garganta evacuation procedure i guess

[brazen edge]

Actually

What about Conduit?

[royal crow]

i dont think we hear from the Conduits in R8

also why would the Warden keep using the conduits
when it already has Schaeffer on his side

[brazen edge]

I'm trying to say that technically it could be helping alt Schaeffer or something

Or something like that idk

Trying to connect the dots

[peak frigate]

Alt schaffer says in a1 or b1 "warden is actly tryna help or sth like that"

Its possible it knew beforehand that world lines were merging and also knew the 2 schaffers.

[brazen edge]

Who knows

[heavy lynx]

1 question

when will we have the updated verson of the lore

also, do we have a summary on r8 lore?

[royal crow]

not yet

id suggest waiting at least 2 weeks

[final sentinel]

My guess is that Henrikson programmed something into the Warden before Schaeffer killed him, because we end up following his plan to extract our control chips. I think he managed to help us out before he died

My best guess

[royal crow]

Based Henrikson

BUT

in C2 we hear the other Schaeffer talking to the other team

which OG Schaeffers tries to makes us think its a clone made by the warden

that could have helped on us stop following Schaeffer orders

[final sentinel]

I mean, technically we follow the warden’s orders, issued by henrikson, who is following schaeffers command

Which means that if henrikkson managed to program an objective stack into the warden before being killed, then he could be the reason we made it out of the other levels

[royal crow]

he definitely did programmed an objective stack

if i remember correctly in A2 the objective dissapears right?

from our HUD

after Henrikson talks to us

[final sentinel]

Yeah

I think he might’ve given us a stack

[eternal talon]

Just the absolutely crack cocaine virality levels of nam-v, and the fact when you boot up the game it says we are "infected", and one of our squad, I forget who, is "class f infected"

[eternal talon]

They do because that's how they are immortal.

The pair is symbiotic. The need eachother to make sleepers

[eternal talon]

No. The virus is NOT from earth. It is an alien bioweapon. The parasite, we don't know the origin of it but we do know it's symbiotic pairing with the virus was not a planned endeavor, just something it came across one world-destroying Saturday evening

All sleepers bar the floaters and kraken were once human.

[gilded vine]

Yes but ground zero was garganta right

I thought that was what was said in a log somewhere

[eternal talon]

Yes. Even if sleepers aren't immediately present, the virus can sit dormant on surfaces for weeks.

[eternal talon]

Well yes. That is where the ship crashed

[eternal talon]

Infection fog is not nam-v. This was verified because syringes give infection but do not originate from garganta, they are shipped in by kovac from elsewhere.

[eternal talon]

Alt probably is but just doesn't know it to be honest.

[crisp citrus]

So what the hell is infection

[neon wadi]

yeah but isn't that just gameplay mechanic

[royal crow]

Sleeper farts

[eternal talon]

No.

[eternal talon]

No.

[royal crow]

that was a joke

[eternal talon]

Search function my posts and "symptoms". I posted a full list from initial infection to death the other day

[brazen edge]

Thanks, I was just thinking that's all

[eternal talon]

Yes, the collectors themselves say the virus WILL become the dominant life-force and has succeeded in that in every single worldline they have ever visited that was exposed to it.

There isn't a good ending.

Every squad we play as dies.

A2 secondary die,
Alt squad die in the ruins of kds deep, og squad dies of nam-v after a couple weeks

[brazen edge]

og squad dies of nam-v after a couple weeks
Is it confirmed anywhere?

and is it confirmed that they're infected?

[eternal talon]

It's not really clues.. it's just its damn near impossible to not be instantly reinfected upon exiting hydrostasis

[royal crow]

the virus is in all garganta

theres no way we got out clean after E2

also the piece of KDS deep we bring with us

it also has NAM-V

[eternal talon]

The user screen when you launch the game and the fact one of them is class F.
(Additionally they would be after the insanity that was e2)
(Additionaly Additionaly they drag half of KDS-DEEP with them, which probably included sleepers and definitely included nam-v infected surfaces like walls, ceilings, and floors.)

[brazen edge]

but why would devs make 2 bad endings?

in terms of storywriting?

What would be the meaning of having 2 bad endings?

[eternal talon]

Iirc they said In one of their interviews prior to r8 launch they wanted exactly that.

[royal crow]

i wouldnt call it a bad ending

[loud urchin]

What's the point of having any good ending in a post apocalypitc game, what were you expecting really?

[royal crow]

just an ending

we cant chose the ending we want

so its just an ending, not bad or good

[brazen edge]

So every universe in GTFO is just destined to die?

[eternal talon]

Everything except the vacuum of space where there is literally nothing to transmit through. Nam-v is on God mode.

[brazen edge]

even the clean ones, since some way or the other, these things will repeat themselves and so on

Also on another note, we play as clones right?

Since in log 000-000-000, there's multiple entry for Dauda, Woods etc.

[eternal talon]

Insight had catalogued hundreds of worldlines. Every single one was infected and was doomed to eventually die out as per what the collectors said. The one clean one we go to, making it unclean.

It's an infinite multiverse, so there are clean ones out there, just none we had access to

(Remember we are limited by the data stored on the data cubes)

That's how we go between worlds

They have membrane identifiers catalogued. It's a huge ass spreadsheet log we got early in the alt rundowns

I'm sure you can find it through the search function here

(We also see small portions of this list when we go to an insight lab in the second half of r8)

[brazen edge]

how did we get MWP? Out of curiosity

[eternal talon]

No. Just the miltiverse. Different versions of us from different worldlines.

Through continued improper use of the matter wave projector, all of the worldlines are collapsing into the spaghetti that is r8

[brazen edge]

and also:

Rundown 8.0 will conclude the current storyline of Dauda, Hackett, Bishop and Woods that started way back in December 2019
So technically, if they continue the story of GTFO, we'd play as other characters. Since they didn't say the story of GTFO

[eternal talon]

It was an alien artifact, same as the data cubes that power it. Hammerstein found them in the ship

[brazen edge]

so technically, next world that we got teleported to could lead to a different result

[brazen edge]

So, every ending in missions is cannon? R8A2 main along with R8A2 secondary?

[eternal talon]

I'm just telling you for a fact that world is fucked. We teleported an entire wing of garganta with us

Potentially thousands of sleepers

[peak frigate]

secondary is prolly an entirely different squad dieing

[eternal talon]

Yes

[cunning light]

GTFO 2 : James Durant Jungle Boogaloo

Where you get to survive on a not-so-hostile unknown planet, to be honest, for years.

[eternal talon]

KDS-DEEP is the headquarters of KOVAC. Warden security... I'd need additional context to give you an answer

[plush sigil]

This is pure conjecture being spouted as fact, there is zero indication of this in-game considering you are free to walk around and explore the area that was teleported with you

There's nothing there with you

Aside from the KSOs

[eternal talon]

Well schaeffer caused a meltdown which would've destroyed all of garganta, so kind of a mute point

[brazen edge]

Like I said, it is a possibility that the storywriters wanted to give off the illusion that "every universe is destined to die from the virus", but then again since it's not implicitly said, it is still possible, even if it's less chance, that the writers wanted to make a good ending

[eternal talon]

We know how big KDS-Deep is... and from the hole left behind in r8e1, more is missing than is visible in r8e2

[brazen edge]

It just depends on the interpretation, because wasn't John maskless and he survived there for idk, R7 and R8?

[brazen edge]

and when we do teleport, there's no sleeper with us

[eternal talon]

And I didn't say as fact, I said potentially. And even if we lucked out and no sleepers (so no parasites) got through, there is still nam-v. The world is gonna die

There is no debate

[brazen edge]

And you can't tell me that it's under the machines and things we teleported since there was no sleeper under the teleporter

[eternal talon]

It is literally explicitly said though... the collectors say word for word

[brazen edge]

I thought about it too actually, like, this might sound dumb or not, but it could be on the clothes, on the machine and so on

[eternal talon]

The devs themselves said in interviews they didn't want to give a good/hopeful ending

I don't know what you want from me

[brazen edge]

so why would warden want us to teleport to another universe?

or collector?

[brazen edge]

just commenting on the situation so I can understand the R8 better

[eternal talon]

We remove our neural chip near the end of r8 playing as OG. We are free at that time and are under the control of nobody. We do it ourselves

[brazen edge]

since from Scalers video, I thought that Warden was supposed to help us go to a clean universe or "save humanity"

[peak frigate]

warden wants to help but unclear how

[brazen edge]

but wasn't ALT squad's goal to teleport?

[peak frigate]

yes

[brazen edge]

And wouldn't they also be infected? Along with Schaeffer?

[peak frigate]

yea p much

[eternal talon]

Not yet. Waiting for everything left to be datamined by my friends on the wiki team

[peak frigate]

duno why schaffer said "you are clean"

they arent

[royal crow]

everytime we go into the HSU the virus dies

[brazen edge]

I'm just confused, because from Scaler's video and from the whole story, I thought that Warden was trying to "save humanity" or just save the Schaeffer and the ALT squad, but if they are infected it doesn't make sense to send them to a clean universe

[peak frigate]

ye but dont they get reinfected right after they leave hsu

[royal crow]

not right after

but some time after yes

[brazen edge]

so Warden doesn't know we're infected? If, for example, warden checks if we got infection or not during the time in HSU?

[peak frigate]

so OG team are actually evil lol

[plush sigil]

Something that gets left out is the fact that the voice that calls out to you in the ending mentions that you are in a restricted zone with traps set up everywhere. One could speculate that this Earth is aware of the existence of the virus? Or at least that there or something dangerous there assuming we are teleported to the same general area that Garganta was in

[royal crow]

its not Earth

[eternal talon]

It's important to note a couple things. He wasn't talking to us, he was talking to alt//schaeffer (who had already broken free at this point).

All of the wardens throughout the multiverse can communicate with eachother. Alt//warden KNOWS what schaeffer is capable of because of what OG schaeffer did to cripple it. It lies to alt//schaeffer to get him on his side so he can get rid of him easier.

We also know this because we had to overwrite the datacubes and get the ""actual"" coordinates for a clean world as the OG team in r8. If alt// were successful, they would have gone to a dead world. Think g-man in half life teleporting you to a fight you couldn't possibly win

[eternal talon]

K, just saying it's coming off a little hostile and I'm trying to be as blunt as possible with the best information I can. If you want sources, I can provide in a bit. On my phone rn so don't have my archive

[plush sigil]

What proof is there that it's not Earth that isn't conjecture? I mean this is also conjecture on my part but I was under the impression the area we get poofed to is the Yucatan pre-Garganta development

[brazen edge]

I apologize if I'm coming off hostile. But thank you for the earlier comment about the Warden. So I'd assume that Warden's true goal in ALT timeline was to kill Schaeffer and the prisoners? But what is Wardens true goal then?

Why send prisoners to do the missions if just doing nothing would save another world?

[eternal talon]

I don't have a Canon answer for this, but imo, it's probably because it's only right at the start of the mission he says this, so we aren't that infected yet

[eternal talon]

It, and biocom its controlling do. We know this because before the apocalypse KOVAC were able to identify and label "class F infected" ksos in hydrostasis to put on ice to be used for transplants instead of put in the field.

(Yes, they are going to use infected people's bodyparts for organ and limb transplants on clean individuals. Idiots.)

[royal crow]

i just realised
i was right about a final stand in the end of the game

damn i can see the future

[eternal talon]

No pebble is actually right on this one. The world in question is the one alt//Durant went to. (Our Durant went to destination), time on this jungle world is slower than earth is relatively. We don't know by how much like we do destination (85x faster), but we do know it was noticeable enough for Stokes to make note of it in her reports

[brazen edge]

so basically, just human greed?

[eternal talon]

Either that, or them getting desperate as they were losing ground to the sleepers

[brazen edge]

I see. Thanks for taking the time to explain it

I appreciate it

[eternal talon]

While we still do not know the Warden's original goal, we do have some ideas.

Before schaeffer began really fucking with it in OG it was having us collect the genome database from destination, so it's possible it was trying to develop a cure for whatever was left of the alien civilization and that is why they were in exile (trying to buy their way back into alien society with a cure).

However when schaeffer kills u22, warden drops everything to have us make a replacement in u23 in r7, so it's possible the units were vital to its plans

[royal crow]

the Aliens: we do a little trolling

[brazen edge]

Alright yeah, it makes more sense now. Thank you once again

[eternal talon]

Btw, did we ever find out who the bloody name tag in r8 belong to? Iirc it was just off enough to not be henrikkson's after all

I forget the level

[plush sigil]

Wow I went back to read the Alt 6 logs and completely missed that jungle log, amazing. Thanks for pointing it out.

[royal crow]

Durant about to know the little trolling

[eternal talon]

It gonna reaaaaally fucking suck for him. He left before the outbreak got out of hand. He doesn't know what happened to earth and probably wouldn't even know about the parasite, only nam-v

Oh the horror stories we could tell him for the short time we have together before we all die a horrible death

[royal crow]

oooooh camping horror stories

[plush sigil]

Makes the ending less bleak in my opinion since the log mentions they didn't find any critters + the bishop log meaning it's a small group at best on an uninhabited planet

[soft tartan]

What is Project Insight? I keep seeing it through lore but I can’t find anything that explains it too much

[cunning light]

It is basically the research department of Garganta ; they study mostly the findings down there, from the artifacts to the creatures, as well as Nam-V

[tame goblet]

deez

[eternal talon]

^

[obtuse raptor]

when was the fossil discovered at garganta ?

[eternal talon]

that would be....

October 2050 for when they first started noticing "unidentified" stuff, but haven't reached it yet
February 2052 when they finally crack into it.

[obtuse raptor]

wow

[eternal talon]

(they finished digging the main shaft in August of 2051)

[obtuse raptor]

ask and you shall receive

[eternal talon]

it is far below even garganta's lowest levels

if we were able to go there, it'd be pretty much exclusively dig site tiles leading to the alien stuff, since they didn't have any infrastructure down there

[obtuse raptor]

when you say 'unidentified' stuff, you mean strange reading in the normal mining operation ?

I'm a bit rusty on the timeline

but wasn't it a normal mining operation for some rare metal, and they discovered some alien thing underneath the dig site ?

[eternal talon]

**Private encryption//SMC mail server
From: Gianna Hilton D043
To: Mining Team 5
Date: October 2nd 2050
Subject: Team rotation

Hey all,

They've moved the date up on us. Primary drilling will now start next week. We've been assured it's safe and the walls have been diligently inspected.

There will be 4 teams rotating on 6-hour shifts. Our slot is 12pm - 6pm MEX (UTC-06). The target depth is 8 meters per day (2 meters per shift), which will be adjusted for each shift based on the geologist reports.

Geo have warned us that there's "unidentified material" about 90 meters down so stay alert and don't overwork the mole.

Slow and steady until we know what we're dealing with. We have no idea what this stuff will do to our gear. Whatever it is, we'll get through it.

I expect to see everyone at the site by 11:15am tomorrow for a final debriefing and safety checks.

Jordy Fontella will be filling in for Eric while he's on sick leave.

Let's break some rocks.

Gianna**

[eternal talon]

yes. originally Santonian had thought it was simply just a giant asteroid they could mine for iridium

[royal crow]

question

what are some of the places we never see ingame but we hear about?

i know the valiant chamber is one and the Alien ship is another

[eternal talon]

the inner, which is a part of the alien ship (called the fossil).
i know there are more, but it'd take me a bit to track them all down

give me like 30 minutes

[royal crow]

[eternal talon]

i need additional context/

do you mean EVERY location, or ones that actually matter?

(because rn i'm writing down like random hospitals and such from the logs)

[royal crow]

the ones that matter

the lore important ones

[eternal talon]

the ocean platform (surface), the fossil/egg (ship), the inner (upper levels of the fossil), Insight labs (lost to matter wave projector collapse(As I understand it, the lab disintegrated. Or something. Apparently, it’s “gone”.)), Garganta Aircraft Hangars, Wherever biocom's main server is now set up in KDS-Deep, Hammerstein's museum and collection of specimens from the inner preserved in formaldehyde, Hydrostasis Holding Vault, many unnamed excavated chambers of the fossil, "Containment Material Silos (CMS)", Environment Control Center, Hearsay log Vault, "Mech Room on sub-level 5 (fucking mechs!!??)", Pneumatic Delivery Center, KDS Holding Rooms, Santonian Medical Center/Medical Department, BIOCOM exclusion zone (not the one on the surface surounding garganta), Virtual Training Course (tutorial level?), Valiant Chamber,

why is this blocked? its word for word copy pasted from a log

[royal crow]

you can send it to my dms

lol

thanks for taking your time on this

[eternal talon]

the picture is the log

[obtuse raptor]

Went and did a bit more digging on allen’s log in the sfx bank files. Any reason it is refered to as allen’s log and not its file name “fossil_recording_01” ?

[eternal talon]

Because before we had an official name for the alien species that did all the stuff they were unofficially called the allens

To separate them from the other aliens, the floaters/kraken

If we had an official name back then id've named it "collector log"

[tame goblet]

How big is garganta if pictured compared to something else as big?

[eternal talon]

roughly this big

[royal crow]

thats.... smaller than i thought

still big

[eternal talon]

(using distance from centerpoint to ocean to 15km off coast)
I have it on good authority that the bid will be accepted in the next few
weeks. You will have full access up to 15 km off the coast as promised. I
will send you the full map later today. By the way, why do you need that much
area off the coast? What’s out there?
Thank you for the donation. The kids will love it!
Gustavo

and here compared to the entire yucitan

and here compared to the entire gulf of mexico

and here compared to the entire planet

[gaunt imp]

So im confused, did Schaefer just do us really fucking dirty at the end of R8E1, and what is the wreck caused by?

[royal crow]

NO

it wasnt schaeffer

[loud urchin]

Uh, funny story about that if you're interested. You should play the rest of r8 if you don't want spoilers.

[royal crow]

and yes

[gaunt imp]

Ok ok

Will keep playing

[royal crow]

what Pachi said

[gaunt imp]

Thank you

[eternal talon]

no, we fuckin' drown him in the sewer, impersonate him over the radio, and yoink your datacubes.

https://tenor.com/view/pete-the-deer-datsun-datsy-foxclaw-pete-gif-25319324

[royal crow]

good spoiler

[eternal talon]

this is gtfo lore. we are spoiler exempt

[royal crow]

https://tenor.com/view/gtfo-gtfo-meme-gtfo-the-game-hop-on-hop-on-gtfo-gif-9268604246299631245

[ember badger]

omg

[eternal talon]

also channel description omegalul

[royal crow]

okay

ALT team has big skill issue

smh

they fucking die

[past matrix]

write about this cool alien ship-type thing
never show it in-game

ok

amazing

[eternal talon]

lmao 100%

[royal crow]

R8 TLDR:

ALT team objective is get funny data cubes to get to a clean dimension with the help of ALT schaeffer
ALT team gets datacubes
Facility is going to shit so they head to KDS Deep
Other team asks for data cubes and leaves the ALT team to die

OG team under OG Schaeffer orders start a nuclear meltdown
OG team with help of Henrikson (he is already dead by then but i have a theory he updates the objective stack before dying) and hearing the ALT Schaeffer plan decides to remove their control ship to stop following Schaeffer orders
OG team in D2 retrieves the matter wave projector after the 2 schaeffer fight eachother and die
OG team heads to KDS Deep once the nuclear meltdown starts
OG team impersonates Schaeffer and gets the data cubes from the alt team

im sure im missing something

[warm root]

What was the datasphere for again?

Because I remember alt team was looking for it at one point and then stopped (I forgor things)

[royal crow]

it had the project insight data

if i remember correctly

[warm root]

Mm yes

[royal crow]

OG team heard ALT schaeffer talking to the ALT team and decided to get the datasphere in R8C2

and then OG team gave the data to the ALT team

thats the hardrive they pick up on R8C1

[warm root]

Makes sense

[lilac island]

What

Is any of tgiy

Alt team got done dirty

The hell

[royal crow]

yup

OG team left them to die

i guess they werent the perfect squad

[lilac island]

Do you play as alt while u die

[royal crow]

?

ah yes

E1

[lilac island]

Fuck yes

Good storytelling

[royal crow]

Alt team make their final stand at the end of E1

[lilac island]

YES

I wanted that

Not that I'll ever play e1

[royal crow]

no ammo vs 5 tanks

[lilac island]

But finally some good fucking food

[royal crow]

lol

[lilac island]

Sick

Wonder what happens if you don't die

[eternal talon]

it spawns tanks until you do

[royal crow]

the game is scripted to keep spawning 5 tanks until you die

[eternal talon]

https://tenor.com/view/gordon-ramsay-finally-good-food-chef-gif-11616250

[eternal talon]

is a literally hell-on-earth scenario. coming from all sides, fight to the death.
"FUCKING COWARDS! YOU'LL GO TO HELL FOR THIS!"

[royal crow]

fun fact

[royal crow]

theres different voice lines you can get there

sometimes Bishop talks other its Woods

[eternal talon]

well it would seem mine was obv woods

because christianity