gtfo-lore

[low folio]

Gameplay? Amazing. Lore? Just… sad.

[stone vine]

both actually

[eternal talon]

Oh yeah, schaeffer discrepancy still unanswered

[stone vine]

the lore is better th an gameplay imo

[low folio]

R8 is just a disappointing rundown tbh

[stone vine]

yeah they dropped it to ad for their new game

[low folio]

R7 did SO much

and then

“Here’s a glorified ad”

[eternal talon]

Modding?

[stone vine]

calle confirmed it was basically an advertising ploy

[low folio]

Modding, I’m down for.

[low folio]

Wich is just shitty as fuck

[stone vine]

they dropped the rundown too early like they always do

[eternal talon]

Some people write their own lore for their rundowns

[stone vine]

they also didn’t bug hunt final build

[low folio]

Tbh the fact this rundown even released so soon should have been an indicator it was gonna be bullshit

[stone vine]

they just made a new build and kinda dropped it bc b4 is fucked and if they had tested it then it wouldn’t be unbeatable on secondary

[eternal talon]

Prolly scared of leaks for their final version

[low folio]

Hopefully it’s expanded on.

[eternal talon]

(Which got a crap ton datamined, anyway)

[stone vine]

well that’s why bh signs an nda

[low folio]

If this is the final product

I will be

Mega sad

[stone vine]

reoccurres every rundown LOL

[outer delta]

speaking of final product

[stone vine]

was playing datacenter before r4 even came out

[eternal talon]

It is... r8 has always been the "end".

[low folio]

No I mean if this is the final version of R8

[outer delta]

i wonder what human infected nam-v dudes turn into with enough time. like is there EVEN more mutations? what is the final form

[low folio]

No tweaks

[eternal talon]

No more content, only patches/fixes. The devs have moved on

[low folio]

No writing

Damn.

That’s… hella disappointing

[eternal talon]

It was confirmed as far back as before alt//s iirc

[low folio]

Good way to build a lore community and gameplay community up

And kick them in the balls before fucking off

[eternal talon]

They turn into... a corpse. The parasite is required to create sleepers

[rigid scarab]

The game had to end at some point but the R8 is so good it's kinda frustrating we won't get another one of the same quality level

[low folio]

R8 is not good lmao

[eternal talon]

You'd be surprised by the quality of some modded rundowns

[low folio]

R8 is disappointing. At least for lore.

[eternal talon]

Ehh, I like some parts of it

[low folio]

I’ve seen modded rundowns made in a month with better writing

And that’s sad

[eternal talon]

It's not bad, it's just mid.

[rigid scarab]

I'll have to dive into them at some point

[eternal talon]

A 6/10

[low folio]

Yeah

But with all the buildup?

All the lore? All the setup?

For… fucking this?

[frail vessel]

I don't get why you don't like the end of r8

[eternal talon]

Henrikkson and the butchering of schaeffers original plan

[final sentinel]

honestly I was fine with it

[outer delta]

you guys so mad till alt://R8 comes out and smokes everything else

[frail vessel]

Like not every story should end as happy end

[low folio]

I don’t mind It having a bad ending

[eternal talon]

WHY ARE WE FORCED TO KILL HIM. WHERE IS THAT ALTERNATE ENDING?

[low folio]

It fits the theme

It just feels like the ending was rushed and pushed out just to promote DOW

[warm valley]

Soo from what I pick up NAM-V appears to bear a lot of resemblance with the bio weapon which the Engineers designed in Prometheus, however, the notable difference is that the virus is much simpler and it does not create a whole new specie by using the hosts DNA (in comparison to the Xenomorph which is a much more complex given the fact that it operates on the basis of a Hive). NAM-V seems to alter the host quite poorly, rough still, yet nonetheless dangerous enough to be capable of infecting and killing anything it touches, there is definitely more work needed on it, that is if its purpose is to possess sentience and formation of an apex organism inside an ecosystem

[low folio]

Stuff like this yeah

Why- is that not an option?

[eternal talon]

I'd rather have a sad ending than a bad ending.

Sitting on the surface dying against the decaying remains of a car with everything around being taken over by plant life. Passing away together, the lot of us on a dead surface.

[final sentinel]

Ehhh idk, update feels slightly rushed but the dual rundown feels really fucking good

[low folio]

The gameplay I don’t mind

The gameplay is actually not half bad

It’s pretty good.

[final sentinel]

the level design in R8 is peak tbh

[low folio]

I am Ass at the game though.

So it’ll take me a while

[final sentinel]

I cannot call it anything but

[low folio]

Oh yeah I fucking LOVE the new tile sets

[final sentinel]

It matches up to the standards of a lot of really good modded rundowns

[crisp citrus]

Play games for gameplay, read books for story

[low folio]

I disagree but okay

[eternal talon]

Which rundowns? Imo none come out that fast with quality writing

[final sentinel]

I was going to also say, while GTFO has a good story, it’s not the core focus of the game tbh

[low folio]

Not exactly a month

[final sentinel]

Didn’t thermonuclear take like 3-4 months

[low folio]

More exaggeration

[final sentinel]

And that’s like the only loredown

[eternal talon]

Play games for books.

[low folio]

But thermo was out pretty fast

[low folio]

Also, the elder scrolls

[final sentinel]

Honestly, I don’t know any other rundown with lore tbh

[eternal talon]

Given its in a mostly "finished" state now, almost a year

[final sentinel]

Epic

Occlusion lore is taking a while too

Taking my time getting all the bits and pieces together

[eternal talon]

Also 3-4 months is a lot longer than 1

[low folio]

I think once I’ve had a chance to play through all of R8 without getting shat on I’ll have a better stance on the lore

[warm valley]

The story inside a game is pretty much essential, especially in a coop game such as this one

[crisp citrus]

No

[eternal talon]

I'm building another as we speak...

[low folio]

A story builds motive and depth

[crisp citrus]

You wouldn't play a game if it felt like ass to play just cause it had a good story, you'd read the lore off the wiki

[low folio]

It gives the world of the game life

A good story CAN and will make up for a mid game

[crisp citrus]

The GTFO story isn't even bad it's just a bit convoluted and unexplained on certain spots

[final sentinel]

Ohhhh right

[warm valley]

Im not saying the gameplay is less essential

But the story is just as important

[final sentinel]

Yeah, I’ve got to finish Occlusion so I can build my R8-down

[crisp citrus]

You wouldn't buy a game for the story alone...you'd read the wiki for it...

A story helps but the game has to actually be playable

[low folio]

That defeats the point of any story driven game

[crisp citrus]

GTFO isn't story driven is it?

[warm valley]

You wouldnt play a game with a whole plethora of nice features while also having absolutely nothing answered on why things are the way they are in the game, unless the game is some multiplayer barebone version

[eternal talon]

Imo, I think the way it is done in gtfo is subpar, which is why I took a completely different approach with pt. You've got people talking to you through Intel constantly. It's a lot more "in the moment" than gtfo, where the game would feel entirely the same without the warden's presence at all (see later half of r8)

[crisp citrus]

It's a coop difficult shooter game

[eternal talon]

Visual novels say hi

[crisp citrus]

Isn't split gate literally that lol

[final sentinel]

GTFO was not made with story in mind, afaik

[outer delta]

yes and no? you can ignore whats going on around you and play the game fine.

[crisp citrus]

Choose your own story but virtual

[outer delta]

but there is a lot of story in the game

[crisp citrus]

It's a book

[low folio]

Visual novels, RPG’s, (a lot of RTS)

[crisp citrus]

Visual novels are books

[eternal talon]

It wasn't originally, then Tokyo drifted' in ogr6 to PURE PLOT

[final sentinel]

There is now

[outer delta]

well ya, took forever but all the rundowns are here

drip fed story

[low folio]

I feel like that may also be a reason for the rushed story

They did, 100% just decide to “fuck it. Lore.”

[outer delta]

but what about all the logs in the first ever run downs? do those not count or do you mean how DRASTIC it turns into a lore all around you kinda thing

[low folio]

Yeah I mean the drastic change

[outer delta]

got it and fair

[low folio]

It went from tidbits and little nuggets to a ton of lore at once

[final sentinel]

Iirc, OG R1 had no logs

And R2 had very little

[warm valley]

Maybe, but idk, maybe jt comes down to preference, I like using my brain for thinking when doing smth, and the question "Why?" appears often to me

[outer delta]

feels weird that I would "remember" logs but maybe not. Years gone by.

TO THE WIKI FOR AWNSERS

[low folio]

Alt://R1 has logs

[outer delta]

og r1 did not

[warm valley]

A game stripped out of lore just feels dull and emotionless

And it certainly doesnt give it a lot of life if it doesnt have even simple lore

You dont need a book for a lore

[outer delta]

also about this. could this be excused on the fact that our quad squad was not importent to the warden or anyone for a while? we WERE just a team helping other "more valuble" teams get to where they needed... right?

[crisp sage]

I think that's what we were even up to R6?

[warm valley]

But having absolutely none of this just makes the game as interesting as any other, no matter what the gameplay is

[crisp sage]

Because the mission descriptors mentioned acting as a distraction for other teams

In one of the OG R6 rundowns.

[eternal talon]

And now we are confirmed the most powerful team in the mutliverse, yeah

[outer delta]

which is weird but ya. Imagine the "other team" we worried about in r8 was actully another prisoner team. 4 dudes like Schafer that escaped the warden and fucked us over in the end

[dim scroll]

I think the problem is that it took insane proportions in a very short amount of time

[outer delta]

truly making the warden correct that we were expendable the whole time

[warm valley]

Hold on, what about the humanity which the Warden was offering to preserve

[rigid scarab]

From let's fetch a neonate somewhere deep down to let's blow up the complex and change dimension

[dim scroll]

I mean

Prior to R6 pretty much everyone expected for the end of the game to reach the fossil at 2 km below surface

[warm valley]

However that might be just as miserable of total species death if our preservation consists of us being put into some tiny zoos as exhibits

[eternal talon]

A false promise, that didn't even matter because of og team

[outer delta]

Warden evil or uncaring?

[eternal talon]

I mean if you want silver lining even if alt// team used it they were carrying the virus too. Everyone in garganta is

There are zero possibilities for a good outcome

[warm valley]

I see

Sounds fun

[eternal talon]

It's just too damn strong.
Nam-v has god mode

[warm valley]

Dooming the whole of earth in the most anticlimactic way possible

[outer delta]

Nam-v at some point used sv_cheats 1

[warm valley]

Too much diamond mining 😞

[eternal talon]

Where we went wasn't earth btw. Durant went to a jungle planet, time ran slower than earth there. (Destination ran faster)

[outer delta]

oh oh i have another question for lore master Frostty. Is the desert planet with black crystals just a un-named area? like what is the connection with Nam-v and the flyers that bug you have to do with the lore. Because I have personally not seen the connection of that in logs or wiki stuff. Cause you said it was giant fish alien

are the flyers just aliens that find you cause of the warping and just decide to crash the party? or ARE they Nam-v Aliens

[dim scroll]

It's trying to help them

https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/ALT://Rundown_6.0_Logs#8AA-FEE-EDD cf this log

[outer delta]

i dont know... it keeps sending us back into the depths of what is Nam-v hell insted of just getting us to teleport out. To me it seems the warden just uses us to get information about what Nam-v did to humans. could be wrong

[dim scroll]

you should check this log

[outer delta]

ya so the weird creature tells him "the humans must leave" yet this is R6. why does the Warden take so long to get all the prisoners to warp out to a clean dimension. its not till r8 the plan is finally put into motion

[dim scroll]

this is alt R6

What i don't understand however is the point of some objectives

[loud urchin]

og r1 -> r7 -> alt r1 to r6 -> r8

[dim scroll]

eg collecting plants in R5A1

[rigid scarab]

The Warden is mostly here to seek a pure genome of the Nam-V virus and is using us to reach that goal, from what I understand

So far it has failed

[outer delta]

Ya thats what i mean. we are just used. So in terms of my question, awnser leans to "uncaring"

how many teams has the warden put in the meat grinder to get these task done

[rigid scarab]

It's a program designed to accomplish a certain task, I doubt it could even care or whatever

[rigid scarab]

Thousands, that's for sure

[outer delta]

is warden not a collector?

[outer delta]

ouch.

[rigid scarab]

If I remember my logs correctly, the Warden is basically a program, code, that was injected into Garganta's BIOCOM system

[outer delta]

ohh i missed that somewhere. But maybe thats one of the logs i read today when some scientist was complaing that BIOcom was changing. i think it was in a R4 mission? maybe that was the warden poking around

[rigid scarab]

That's also why it glitches more and more the deeper you go, there's a log mentioning that at deeper level, no matter what they do, the signal deteriorates and it's speculated that it's caused by the crystals (the black ones)

[outer delta]

ohhhhh and the peices start coming together.

[eternal talon]

It is called destination, but otherwise has no official names.
The fliers are just infected fauna native to destination.
The kraken appears to have once been a giant fish that was infected

[eternal talon]

No. They seem to get their (local) warping abilities from the crystals embedded in their carapace, in the same way the MWP uses them, albeit much weaker

[outer delta]

oh alright. wonder how the fish started flying tho

[eternal talon]

There were a total of 32,000 KSOs in garganta. 8k about, 24,000 in KDS-DEEP

[eternal talon]

It is

[eternal talon]

Probably some kind of mutated floatation bladder? Who knows.

[outer delta]

oh so the warden is not code? Just a BIOCOM expert

[eternal talon]

Biocom also isn't just code

It is a biological computer.

BIO-COM

[outer delta]

right but if warden is a thing and not a code, what makes it so good at operating BIOCOM. well i say "good" like warden isnt always getting locked out of doors and stuff

[eternal talon]

Because it is an alien.

That's the only reason I have

Just a super advanced super smart alien

This IS sci-fi, after all. Wouldn't be much of a plot if they were dumb

[outer delta]

im always hoping there a clear cut awnser but sometimes these things just go in the direction of "because lol"

[eternal talon]

Gtfo is like sci-fi originals quality. It's mediocre and cliche

[outer delta]

i like it personaly. i think the whole multi layer of fuck you cake is intersting. I get WHY people dont like R8. but maybe im edgy and like the idea of "Nam-v touched earth, its GG all the way down."

or in not internet lingo, it was fucked the whole time and there was nothing anyone could do about it

reminds me of researching left 4 dead and how that games virus just fucked over humanity instantly. but this game has actul lore behind it (kinda)

left 4 dead just goes "one day Green flu, the end for humans"

[loud urchin]

honestly, it's mostly how r8 ended some threads/went about things rather than the background lore that's always pervaded the game

[eternal talon]

I'm not saying it's terrible. Chocolate chip cookies and pumpkin spice lattes are also basic but good

[outer delta]

exactly. how stuff ended was wack. This is why im cope train all the way to ALT://R8 to fix everything up

[eternal talon]

40k fan I'm assuming?

[outer delta]

damn

that obvious LOL

but ya 40k is neat

[eternal talon]

Necrons ftw.

[eternal talon]

L4d2 doe have lore for that though. It started from mad cow disease and mutated further, sorta like covid from bats. Patient zero was in mercy hospital. You play it in the payday crossover

[lilac island]

orks >

only faction that's happy day to day

and doesn't have massive depression

[eternal talon]

Okay, but an entire faction being "get off my lawn" is hilarious

[outer delta]

ya but it was SUDDEN. like just weeks after Patient zero it was over for humanity for the most part. Nam-v took years

[lilac island]

"my lawn" being the entire galaxy?

[outer delta]

idk dark eldar are happy about being upset tho

[eternal talon]

You should read the 40k necron lore books. They did own the entire galaxy

[outer delta]

they just LOVE being miserable.

[lilac island]

they're forced to

[eternal talon]

Then they took one hell of a nap

And now there are people everywhere on their tomb worlds

[lilac island]

well yeah that's what i said

[outer delta]

its like waking up to a house of cats and dogs running around tearing everything up

[eternal talon]

The intro of portal 2

[outer delta]

not again.....

[eternal talon]

So much good shit with 40k lore but we should probably stop talking about it though given this is gtfo lore

[outer delta]

ok GTFO questions then. How is it that our team survives? like at all. is there any...ANY other teams other then our quad and schaefer

[cunning kayak]

I have a question regarding past rundowns - alt R6 to be exact. If my memory serves me correctly, then the desert planet aka Destination (?) is also EF-01. If so, how did the expeditionary force consisting of scientists and KSO manage to build such structures there?

[crisp citrus]

Cause they're really good at construction

[outer delta]

I assume by just teleporting the stuff there. there is the big machines

ya they just ripped metal out of the ground and got to work

[cunning kayak]

considering they had to move because creatures hunted them?

[crisp citrus]

It is canon that the og 4 man is so strong and efficient they never lose and do every mission on prisoner efficiency with minimal injuries

[outer delta]

oh that is true. we get attacked pretty fast being there. yet they had time to build stuff

[crisp citrus]

Guns are strong as hell

[outer delta]

so 4 of the best giga chad soldiers ever?

[crisp citrus]

I'm sure they were better equipped than us

[crisp citrus]

Literally

[cunning kayak]

canonnicaly - yes.

this squad managed to complete all main + secondary objectives

[crisp citrus]

If the mission was R8 Z1: Kill every sleeper on the planet

Our 4 man would do it

Minimal difficulty

[outer delta]

woods is sleeping half way through r8z1 cause its too EASY

no but i ACTULLY think that our team does fail in timelines. I think ever mission fail is a ALT timeline we do not succeed.

[crisp citrus]

Well then it wasn't the og 4 man

It was an alt

[cunning kayak]

there is also explanation for this

[crisp citrus]

The og timeline 4 man does not lose.

[outer delta]

yo?

[crisp citrus]

If they do, they weren't the og 4 man

[royal crow]

poor Alt team

[crisp citrus]

Nah screw them

[royal crow]

they suffered massive skill issue and died

[crisp citrus]

They are weak

[royal crow]

OG forever

[cunning kayak]

this log https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSLHVp3ReG56bunlm1cuCMwLQxtJkINITk1vVMCgGbrJj-Ce6GWc9TpBNlYYmAujwqh4kSGF-pOjdqb/pubhtml

[crisp citrus]

For real

Spreadsheet smh

[outer delta]

virus af

[cunning kayak]

it's a list of all universes aka membranes, with all alt characters

[eternal talon]

yes, fucking thousands of them

[cunning kayak]

so yeah, basically when you're failing a mission, it's just might be counted as parallel universe

[outer delta]

i mean alive or not fucked over

[royal crow]

yes
we see dead bodies of us in R6CX, R8D1,R8B2

and more

[outer delta]

I never lose. I just dont win every timeline

[eternal talon]

no. ef01 was the mission identifier. ie; the moon isn't called "apollo"

and insight sent through supplies weeks before the ef01 jump

[cunning kayak]

so what's that deserted planet then?

[eternal talon]

then they were trapped there for a LONG time

so they built shit

[royal crow]

an Alien planet

[eternal talon]

destination

[royal crow]

we know its not the earth

its just

there

[outer delta]

thats what im getting

[stone vine]

it’s in the butterfly nebula

[outer delta]

it just is

[eternal talon]

well they had.... 700 years? since ef01 happened

[outer delta]

enjoy flyers

[eternal talon]

in earth time

so they had penty time to build shit

[outer delta]

wot

how confirm this

[eternal talon]

correct

[cunning kayak]

OK thanks. Then another question - perhaps I missed this point while studying the logs available to me - were there any long-term expeditions to Destination that could build structures like that?

[outer delta]

the time moving faster? still does not explain how they were not attacked by monsters

[eternal talon]

ronald mcdonald schaeffer when

[eternal talon]

we know the exact date for the start of the ef01 mission. we know the time difference is 85x compared to earth

the current year is 2063

the math is relatively simple

years since ef01 x 85

[outer delta]

no i get it. what i mean is we get attacked by flyers even hanging around a short time. how come they could build ANYTHING with bastard flyers going around.

[eternal talon]

so were they. one of the durant logs mention them hiding in caves because they were being hunted.

they went through with an entire KSO team for support (4 ksos), only bishop came back

[outer delta]

god dont blame me I do not see all logs

[eternal talon]

and NONE of the scientists

[outer delta]

188 fucking things

[eternal talon]

its actually 200+ if you include the website, emails, etc

[outer delta]

[eternal talon]

AND YOU WONDER WHY COMMUNITY RESOURCES ARE SO VALUABLE

this game is swiss cheese for story

[outer delta]

oh i did not wonder at all my sir

this IS helping me put it together. i did see the log of someone talking about how Bishop came back from a mission, but they couldnt get any information from him

now i know what mission that was

[eternal talon]

there were a fuck ton of missions after ef01 becasue of the different sites we know of

alpha one, alpha two, alpha three, etc

[outer delta]

also Bishop is so fucking manly. imagine you start getting hunted and you just chad your way back home and say nothing

[eternal talon]

alpha *two

[outer delta]

BOSS character

[eternal talon]

alpha one

[outer delta]

oh look, its flying bastards

[eternal talon]

alpha three

[outer delta]

oh alpha one is the kraken

[eternal talon]

also alpha three

[royal crow]

now i understand why the alpha buildings look more like outposts than a facility

[eternal talon]

unknown

[outer delta]

also makes 100% sense how earlier you said "how tf kraken get to Garganta"

[eternal talon]

i dont remember which site this is

but its one of them

[outer delta]

cause i thought they were people

that looks like Alpha 2

[eternal talon]

back to alpha two

[eternal talon]

its not

[final sentinel]

I am not used to seeing this without snatcher boxes in the sky

From Occlusion D1

[outer delta]

oh. from a distance it kinda looks like it

[eternal talon]

its on big cliff

[outer delta]

ah

[eternal talon]

(i mean alpha two is on a big cliff, but different cliff)

this one is all dunes

alpha two is mountains

[outer delta]

sand worm boss when

[eternal talon]

miles of dunes, like 3 minutes of walking

you can barely see the site in this pic

this is also alpha three (can see the silo)

[outer delta]

oh right we never do teleport to jungle planet. unless that is where we bounce too at the end of r8

unless thats also something i missed

[royal crow]

so what are you conclusions?

other planet or other earth?

[eternal talon]

we drug kds deep with us (so sleepers) so the planet is fucked

[outer delta]

man seeing all those krakens b2 was amazing.

[eternal talon]

not earth.

[loud urchin]

my take is that we probably get MWP'd somewhere random as a stand in before we get taken somewhere else/decontaminated or maybe just left to die slowly

[outer delta]

us teleporting to the people just living there. "hey what it do also we just brought the most dangerous thing ever to exsist and we have no ammo"

[eternal talon]

nam-v is airborne, and we brought an entire wing of the facility with us

[royal crow]

so what if
its a type of sanctuary made by the Collectors or the Warden for the especies in danger from NAM-V

[eternal talon]

then they were stupid, because we brought it with us

[royal crow]

who knows
maybe they have a way to stop it

they are aliens after all

[eternal talon]

also the voice at the end is durant's

so its the jungle world

(def not destination)

we know what that looks like

[tame goblet]

How is Durant still alive?

[cunning light]

EF-01

[eternal talon]

potato?

[outer delta]

"hey Durant wanna see what Nam-v is?"

[cunning light]

Only Bishop came back from the mission

[eternal talon]

he left before garganta got overrun, he has no fucking idea what hell is about to be unleashed

[outer delta]

the infected close to you disapear when you teleport but imagine we just bring a tank back with us

[outer delta]

correct

imagine the stories you could tell the man

[eternal talon]

even so, kds-deep houses class "f-infected" HSUs

and we are absolutely infected after e2

i mean we are basically always infected regardless

but e2... is a lot

[eternal talon]

they shut down your favorite costco

[outer delta]

ya. If i remember its because we are INFECTED.... BUT we keep going to sleep so it slows it down by MILES.

[royal crow]

the HSU kills the virus

[outer delta]

then how are the people IN the hsu's infected?

hmmmm mister sir

[eternal talon]

correct, it just doesnt reverse the damage

[outer delta]

oh wait

what

[royal crow]

they arent

[eternal talon]

and nam-v can stay on surfaces alive for weeks

[peak frigate]

schaffers whole "remain uninfected" on c1 is a bunch of crap then?

or was it b2 idr

[eternal talon]

i mean that schpeele was at the start of the level, no?

we never start a level infected

[peak frigate]

ye

[eternal talon]

because hydro kills it

but we sure as fuck would be by level end infected again

[outer delta]

oh so if we did a quick nap, THEN teleported we fine?

[peak frigate]

so they get infected and virus dies after

[eternal talon]

hydro is the only reason we are alive so long

[royal crow]

nam-v is EVERYWHERE in garganta

[eternal talon]

we are start/stopping the virus over and over

[royal crow]

the chances of not getting infected are below 1%

[eternal talon]

it'll catch up eventually though and the mutations will prove fatal, even with stasis to kill it

[peak frigate]

how is schaffer alive

[eternal talon]

like, if you put a sleeper in hydrostasis it'll still be a sleeper

the mutations are like a cancer, its permanent

[eternal talon]

there are a million and one things wrong with schaeffer's survival.

this is unironically, one of the minor ones

his entire existance is a plot hole, post r4.

[royal crow]

how did he woke up?

who the fuck knows

[eternal talon]

that is the schaeffer discrepancy

[royal crow]

did the warden woke him up? who knows

[eternal talon]

ANOTHER big wtf moment

[peak frigate]

was also going to ask about project insight members shown at c1

[royal crow]

because WHO CARES

[cunning kayak]

Plot armor

[royal crow]

he just exists

[eternal talon]

warden couldn't. warden didnt have access to kds-deep until r5.

[peak frigate]

how are they alive

[royal crow]

and lets be happy about it

[eternal talon]

he breaks free of the warden in r4

[royal crow]

thats not them

thats US

the other team

the other 4

[cunning kayak]

But i recall alt Schaeffer said he got some signs of cold in one of his audiologs

[peak frigate]

Im not that deep in story man chill

[outer delta]

and here i thought we were not killing the Virus in HSU. just not being out long enough to ever let it progress with each mission only being an hour, and NAM-V sometimes taking a long time to change the host

[royal crow]

we use the voyage biocom in C2

[peak frigate]

I only killed alt team so far

[eternal talon]

pic? i dont recall seeing any insight members

[royal crow]

to talk to the other 4

[peak frigate]

we dont see, we hear

[royal crow]

its the voyage biocome

[peak frigate]

start of c1

[royal crow]

but thats us

the other 4 in C2 talks to them

[eternal talon]

through the same hearsay system we lie about being schaeffer to alt//squad with?

take with grain of salt is likely me thinks

[royal crow]

yes

ITS US

[peak frigate]

lul

[royal crow]

its the OG team

[peak frigate]

I gotta finish story faster

currently at b3

[royal crow]

also we are the ones that ask for help in D1

[peak frigate]

I figured that out

[eternal talon]

which we

oh og, yes

[royal crow]

the ones in the biocome

[peak frigate]

"unlock 50 and 51"

[royal crow]

"we are trapped behind a level 5 sec door"

"hurry up we are in trouble"

all those voicelines

[peak frigate]

this shit will be super exciting

[outer delta]

"please hurry! my food is over cooking in the oven in sector 5!"

[royal crow]

D2 is one hell of a level

let me tell you

[eternal talon]

my initial reaction to:

[outer delta]

"the sleepers are gonna take my hot pockets unlock the door!"

[peak frigate]

So I've been told

[eternal talon]

https://tenor.com/view/look-up-scared-willem-dafoe-gif-17761333

[peak frigate]

Im excited for it

[royal crow]

D2 is by far one of the best levels in R8

[outer delta]

literally me too

[eternal talon]

i did secondary first. was really hoping i didnt have to do a 3v4

[outer delta]

i was blown away

[eternal talon]

then the first one showed up, and i died because i brought double shotguns

then i just did main

[outer delta]

god I flinched when i peaked kraken and it just TURNED to me so fast

[eternal talon]

https://tenor.com/view/gow-general-raam-gif-19380014

[outer delta]

could solo Nam-v

[eternal talon]

nah, fucking sleeper krill

[outer delta]

yeesh

[eternal talon]

from a writing standpoint its like the flood in halo. you cant beat nam-v + parasite. they'll win every time

[outer delta]

question about lore, I cannot find any logs after Mathew Aaron found info about the Patient Zero with the daylight team, i think that lore was interesting but is that really the end? the team finds it and disappears?

[eternal talon]

they'll just use you against you

[eternal talon]

they probably got wiped out without much notice

turned into a blender

[outer delta]

Shame. I would like some end where Matthew is talking about seeing a tank or mother. dont see much of something like that. Like i wonder what level of mutations everyone fell too. Was it just basic ass shooters and strikers. if so im disappointed

[eternal talon]

i mean think about it. you can practically cut a striker in half and they will keep coming at you

[final sentinel]

I mean we have a hint of a birther in B2 iirc

Frosty, that was an early stage birther log, no?

[outer delta]

does everyone outside of KDS not have the weaponry we have? thats some serious firepower we have in our hands

[eternal talon]

i do not remember, you'd need to link it to me

[final sentinel]

the one with the fetus

[outer delta]

oh in r8

[final sentinel]

Let me find it

[eternal talon]

potentially im not sure

[final sentinel]

It’s pretty memorable tho

[peak frigate]

SAY WHAT NOW

[final sentinel]

Have you not heard?

The R4B3 log has been outdone in terms of absolute skin crawling disgustingness by a log in R8B2

[outer delta]

yo which long in r4?

[final sentinel]

I have a video link, 1 sec

https://youtu.be/9sAZwoWGU5c?si=-MI2tiyBLcNBmCKb

This log in R4B3

[royal crow]

you have them on your youtube channel?

all the logs?

[final sentinel]

It has been outdone in the creepy factor by a log in R8B2 that I think is a woman beginning to convert into a birthrr

[final sentinel]

No just this one

Because it was so fucking terrifying, I wanted to be able to easily share it

R8B2’s log is arguably worse

[outer delta]

two minutes of yucky

[eternal talon]

it reminds me of "dawn of the dead" in a way

giving birth to a live sleeper... is eugh

[final sentinel]

This one

Pretty sure it’s a first stage in a birther transformation

[outer delta]

Andre Piros in a log " BIOCOM cannot be hacked, hijacked, exploited, or compromised. "

right next to the log of WRDN hacking BIOCOM

funny

[eternal talon]

warden is also super special advanced alien

[final sentinel]

[eternal talon]

humans can get fucked with their expecations ig

[final sentinel]

Henrikkson is just a really good hacker engineer

[outer delta]

i just think its funny to think Warden somewhere thinking "oh really? give me 10 seconds"

[royal crow]

"im an enginner, nobody calls themselves a fucking hacker"

[eternal talon]

https://tenor.com/view/hacker-hack-gif-21380096

[royal crow]

best line in the entire game

[final sentinel]

Nah 2nd best

My personal favorite is “what’s WRONG with you, take the MEMORY STICK?”

[royal crow]

wait wait

in where is that line?

[eternal talon]

r7d2

[final sentinel]

You have to touch the mainframe door before taking the memory stick

It also conveniently shuts off the starting dialogue for the level, which is why my group heard it a lot

[outer delta]

ok so the Warden checks Schaeffers "quad status" at 2063-04-14. Schaeffer could not have been running around for long without us.... so what date is it in gtfo roughly? is he one of the teams we were helping run around in 2063?

[final sentinel]

It’s like 2080’s iirc

He put himself in hydrostasis

In KDS deep

[outer delta]

holy what

[final sentinel]

I think

I could be misremembering

[outer delta]

that would mean Nam-v has been in Garganta for like... 30 years right? 2052?

that would mean the mutations would take FOREVER to happen. meaning sometimes things just turn into a striker, and rarly the fuck off to be a tank

idk if 2080 is true then

but again... i dont know

[fossil kernel]

do you have it?

i wanna listen to it

[eternal talon]

r3 is 2063... no way its 2080s

[final sentinel]

oh LMAO nvm

i was way off

[final sentinel]

no, but it's literally right near the beginning

2nd zone, no alarms, just shoot your way through the first zone

[outer delta]

shooting? in my stealth game? NOOOO

[outer delta]

that makes more sense... I wonder how long tanks have been around. Imagine having to deal with those mutating around in Ohio

just interesting shower thoughts about how long it takes Nam-v to mutate our poor bodies

[eternal talon]

its worse when you consider the host is still alive in there.

[outer delta]

wait its a left 4 dead virus as well? its not just the parasite controling our meat suit?

not real

fake news

[eternal talon]

well technically its both. the host just sits around while the parasite controls their body

like the flood.

[outer delta]

oh thats fucking awful to think about

[eternal talon]

and you remember, the parasite and the virus make sleepers immortal

those floaters have been infected for 7 trillion years...

you could reasonably find infected sleeper mayans in the inner.

imagine their experience up until this point

fucking horrid

[fossil kernel]

have we actually seen how the parasite looks like?

or its just those eggs?

[eternal talon]

given it was classified under "parasitidae", and how the mayans secribe it, think like a mite.

[fossil kernel]

i see

[eternal talon]

just the eggs. we havent seen the parasite yet

er, i guess "yet" is the wrong word, since gtfo is over now

[outer delta]

GTFO 2 is coming

dont worry

[eternal talon]

i'm not worried. despite the heavy pushback against modders, the modding community for this game is quite large

and i have already made my own modded rundown

there will be plenty of content

[outer delta]

i know they JUST ended the game. but GTFO on the surface tho. Like imagine trying to survive in California 2 years after Nam-v took over the world

[eternal talon]

gtfo but you play from the collector's pov as nam-v takes over destination

[outer delta]

"giant time skip button in top left"

me sitting around as the Warden "where the fuck is the fast foward button"

[fossil kernel]

honestly i just want a rundown to go deeper into the complex

like we never get to see the inner

[outer delta]

idk im stuck on this game. Ive also thought about a game mode where you play as the Warden helping teams run about

[fossil kernel]

or smth like that

[outer delta]

or not helping them, kinda like a VS mode

[fossil kernel]

also if possible could anyone post the logs from r8b2?

[eternal talon]

i posted all the logs i found as i went through

scroll up a lot

[outer delta]

use the search bar

[fossil kernel]

k k

[outer delta]

oh this is something I cant find a answer too that maybe someone does. What was the blast caused by? and was there multiple or is the game map designed weird. cause the levels never loop back to a big hole.

[honest merlin]

R8D1

[fossil kernel]

Dang it didnt find the log

[royal crow]

oh rip
time to do D1 again because the game doesnt tell you how many logs there is per level

https://tenor.com/view/gtfo-hop-on-gaming-bug-glitch-gif-26288681

[outer delta]

MF found roller skates wtf

[fossil kernel]

😩

[toxic wagon]

People figuring out they have to do A2 Ext again because of the log in your special room pablo

[royal crow]

there is a log in A2 ext?

💀

i missed it

[toxic wagon]

From what I've been told. It is in the sleepy pable room

[royal crow]

well my dream came true

Pablo in a A tier level

[toxic wagon]

All I know is that it's related to Schaeffer

[royal crow]

i told yall this was gonna happen

[toxic wagon]

Well tbf. You need codes from other levels to enter the ext

[eternal talon]

malfunctioning weapon system. hammerstein accidentally triggered it while playing frequencies of sound to test sleeper response.

many many different lasers

but by this question, i reckon you probably haven't read the "for dummies" doc in the pins of this channel

give it a read! it covers the overwhelming majority of the lore

[outer delta]

i have not. I was trying to piece it together myself till I saw the 188 logs achievement and decided holy fuck that and moved my way into this channel.

but if suggested, Read I shall

[eternal talon]

it was designed to make that specific goal a million times easier.

it was originally made in OGr6 and has been updated every rundown since

[minor thicket]

Oh mighty GTFO lore channel. What state of truth log do I need to listen to for the hidden achievement? 🙏

[royal crow]

those achivements are story based

you need to play R8 for them

and i dont think you need it

Nvm you do

go to global achivements and click on the spoiler mark

[minor thicket]

So the voice of truth achievement is an audio log in r8?

[royal crow]

according to the achivement

yes

[minor thicket]

I know how to do that. I am asking which log it is.

I listened to multiple state of truth logs in ALT and all the back story logs in ALT R5 logs yesterday and didn't get either of the achievements

[royal crow]

hmmmm

they suppose to work

unless its a specific one in R8

[minor thicket]

Could be

Thought anyone in here might know

[frail pollen]

How many character backstory logs did you read/listen to?

[royal crow]

R8A2 SEC

[minor thicket]

All the ones on R5A2 and R5A3. Are there more?

Must've been like 8? I'm not sure

[frail pollen]

it requires more than 8

[minor thicket]

Ok thank you

What about the state of truth. Is it a specific log?

I listened to multiple ones and didn't get it

[frail pollen]

The mr truth is either R2E1, or we may have changed/moved it to someplace in R8. I can't remember what we did on that one

[minor thicket]

So it's specific

[frail pollen]

yes

[minor thicket]

Ok thank you 🙏

[frail pollen]

it's about his first broadcast

[minor thicket]

It says listen to the voice of truth for the first time. I must've misunderstood.

[frail pollen]

yeah.. i deff hear you on that.

[minor thicket]

Thanks for clarifying!

[short gazelle]

Just noticed Durant's voice is the same voice used for the old Warden voice clips

Seems like he would have played a greater role in the story

[severe prairie]

So during R8D2 we are sending messages to the other versions of 'us' in the alt rundown?

[soft tartan]

Yes, all events are pretty much happening in tandem to each other. So events in d1 are happening at the same time in d2. You pretty much find out that we sent the message to “ourselves”

As well as helping ourselves in d1 to open to doors and reroute power in d1 for team in d2

[severe prairie]

and... we drowned both the alt and og shaeffer

pppf

[loud urchin]

you don't drown alt schaeffer if you let og schaeffer kill him first and then have a mental breakdown

[severe prairie]

okay the ending of D2 makes the ending of E1 make sense now

wtf XD

[soft tartan]

Yeah all im not fully grasping is in d1 we see a dead team of ourselves in that room where we go for objective. Hints at multiple other timelines in one potentially unless I’m missing something there. You also see yourself dead in a1 and a2

[eternal talon]

There are many many many worldlines at play.

[soft tartan]

Yeah but what are the chances that the multiple worldlines all happen on the same one is something I’m trying to understand. What makes this one so special

[eternal talon]

As far as r8 goes, e2 it's not possible to debate that the two have merged since we are literally on the other side of the door from alt// team

[eternal talon]

100% in this instance.
As to why or how? Something something matter wave projector. We don't know, they never tell us, and probably wont.

I assume the angle they see trying to tell is that our continued use of the matter wave is having unknown consequences on our world

But that's just my thoughts on it

[eternal talon]

As for why ours? We know at least one version of our squad died before the game even started (r6cx and schaeffer log), and we ourselves are described as the "perfect quad" amongst all observed worldlines, so we are probably just the only ones to make it this far

In conclusion: we are special

Not the scenario

[leaden olive]

So is there a log that explains the new monsters? Cause they're just here now?

[eternal talon]

No idea. No logs afik.

Just variants from a different worldline that merged over

[versed trout]

hiya guys, so i plan on playing through the alt rundowns with the intention of finding and collecting the lore logs for myself but i see on the gtfo wiki that the logs from the original rundowns and alt rundows are different (at least partially, i tried not to read too much lmao)

is all the lore from the original logs conveyed through the logs of the alt rundowns and more or is the information entirely different?

in other words, is there any way to gather the lore from the original rundowns in the current version of gtfo? thanks in advance! 😄

[royal crow]

no

some stuff changes in the alt logs

[soft tartan]

Someone has all the rundown logs in one place. I forget where the link is

[versed trout]

i am aware but want to gather them for myself for the coolness factor, but thanks for letting me know 😄

[royal crow]

you cant get og logs in the alt rundowns

[versed trout]

have you read through all the logs in that case?

[royal crow]

some of them

[versed trout]

alrighty, then i guess i will just gather the alt logs

and then read the original logs for each rundown when im done getting the logs 😛

you think that would work?

[royal crow]

good luck finding the 188 ingame logs

[versed trout]

or would that kinda throw the story all over the place 🤣

[royal crow]

yeah
if you have any question we are here for that

[versed trout]

sweet, and its kind of like a long term thing i plan to do, maybe i'll finish it, maybe not, who knows xD

cheers for the quick info peeps ❤️

[royal crow]

good luck Pork

good luck getting all the logs

and doing all the levels

because some of them will drag you to insanity

[soft tartan]

#hc-other message

this is the server i was thinking of that has the og logs

if youre interested in the og logs

[versed trout]

yeah im not looking forward to revisiting some of these levels but heyo, job must be done xD

the website for the logs is pretty neat to play with

again, i must pace myself 🤣

[cobalt mulch]

three months after these two guys finally beat r4e1

[royal crow]

im never doing R4E1

NEVER

[versed trout]

which one was R4E1 again?

[cobalt mulch]

4 moms north of reactor

"oh, that one"

[versed trout]

oh right yeah

yeeeeep xD

thisisfine

[cobalt mulch]

😄

[versed trout]

im also taking this as an opportunity to learn to get better with the bots

[royal crow]

just solo it

smh

[versed trout]

but will call on mates for some of these levels because i enjoy my sanity

[versed trout]

and dont wanna end up like this xD

[cobalt mulch]

it's an investment. well worth it ofc, but the journey can be kinda meh

r2d2 fail on code 10 entry due to a late spawning group of 3 hybrids meet u in the middle, "your evening ends now gents"

[versed trout]

feelsbadman

[royal crow]

r2d2 isnt that bad

its a long level

[versed trout]

welp, nice and easy start, R1B1 ezpz

catch y'all in the void gents ❤️

[cobalt mulch]

i had yellow eyes and a bulging forehead, 10 code reactor and no wc breaks, rrr

[royal crow]

at one point the timer is 16mins

enough for a break

lol

[cobalt mulch]

(very important lore-wise, let's continue elsewhere 🙂 )

[fresh gyro]

its not that hard uwu

[versed trout]

woooo, so a little bit of time later and R1B1 is complete! 2/2 logs collected and archived

thought i'd share my personal log if anyone wants a TLDR of the run's contents and the information enclosed in the logs from that level:

Objective: Recover at least 12 Personnel IDs for the Warden ||(COMPLETE: 18/12 PIDs collected)||

||A relatively simple drop, 3 security doors shortly after drop, one needing a key, one alarmed and one unlocked. each security door led to at least another security door, all alarmed. each route had a twist: one had fog and sleepers with some giants, one was mostly giants, and the third featured two scouts.
No real difficulties even with AI companions, no extraction alarms and no plot twists during the level. Resources were limited and as it turns out, AI companions are actually not that bad at helping kill giants, and we even quietly killed a group of 4 sleepers.

2 logs recovered

Log 1: Explains the symbiosis of the NAM-V virus and Garganta parasite and how there are millions of strains of NAM-V that exists and the only way to deal with it is to look for an immune genome otherwise humanity has at most months left to live (as far as im aware, only us 4 are alive and whoever wakes us
and sends us down to "Garganta". There are Hydrostasis Units (HSUs) down here that allow an infected individual to survive infection but does not prevent reinfection. Unable to tell if the HSUs we encountered contained alive specimens.

Log 2: Mentions how Bishop (one of our group) returned from an expedition from Garganta and an additional mask with his DNA was found by the launch platform despite all of Bishop's equipment being accounted for. The mask was kept for further examination.||

End log.

[fossil kernel]

I forgot to ask but what is happening in this log?

The woman is peeling her skin off?

[plush sigil]

She's presumably mutating into a sleeper and trying to dig what is presumably the parasite out of her head

[rotund fable]

does anyone know any good videos where i can learn the lore?

[clever moon]

Professor Scaler's channel

[eternal talon]

or you can read the "for dummies" doc in the pins of this channel.

don't rely exclusively on videos. the overwhelming majority are extremely out of date.

[rotund fable]

is there a website where i can read this lol

some of the words are cut off

is it on the gtfo wiki by any chance

[eternal talon]

As per the post, you need to either download it or click "view whole file"

It is too large to be fully viewed on discord embed

[rotund fable]

yeah even clicking view whole file has some words cut off

giving it a read and this is pretty confusing

doesnt really explain what some of these things are lol

[eternal talon]

what are your questions?

[rotund fable]

ill have to go back and look im getting caught up in other parts lol

this is very interesting

[eternal talon]

the doccument is only meant to be introductory. I am happy to answer any questions it does not.

[rotund fable]

do we know what we can find on https://santonianindustries.com/ ?

or if its still relevant at all lol

[eternal talon]

it hasn't been updated since ~r7.

so all old things.

[rotund fable]

ah okay

very cool

like an ARG lol

i click the missing image and it brings up the terminal

[eternal talon]

you have no idea....
#gtfo-lore message

some of the logs in this game you cannot read yourself. they required community effort to solve.

and again, one or two were sent out as emails, so unless you got a time machine...

[rotund fable]

wtf lol

[eternal talon]

they made it a real pain in the ass.

current also in the pins is an as of yet unsolved audio log.

the community here is vital to understanding the lore

i've been around longer than most, and am the one that maintains several of the community resources.

[rotund fable]

thats so cool lol

but i imagine tough

[eternal talon]

a friend of mine, InfiniteDuck, helps to maintain the wiki.
we also have several IRL specialists like CoolBeanz for reference on the more sciency stuff.

we had Punk for a while a long time ago, he also worked in disaster cleanup. he had a lot of neat info on cdc standard protection and hazmat stuff

[rotund fable]

did any of that ever come in handy to figuring some of the stuff out?

[eternal talon]

we are a collection of huge nerds.

[rotund fable]

i love stuff like this lol

this goes wayyy deeper than i ever expected

[eternal talon]

moderately. i do not recal specifics, just lots of little things to help paint pictures of minor details

[eternal talon]

the game itself has ~200+ logs.

a lot are currently unobtainable in the live build of the game

(either from og rundowns, external resources, arg, etc)

so like i said before, if you ever have any questions, feel free to ping me or ask anyone else who frequents this channel like Artek could usually help you

[rotund fable]

what has been like the most wild or deep dive into the lore youve guys had? Like a super deep ARG, real life stuff, etc

[eternal talon]

(oh, and please dont look too much into youtube and reddit lore videos... a lot, and i mean a LOT are wildly innacurate.
don't even get me started on the blatant misinformation that is things like Roanoke's "sleeper biology" videos...)

[rotund fable]

(noted lmao)

[eternal talon]

probably digging into the Chilam Bilam de Ixil, an 16th century colonian spanish translated doccument full of star symbols and medical science. It was ultimately a false lead, but a super fun endeavor.

(Ixil is the village directly above garganta's centerpoint as per gamescom trailer coordinates)

it existed in mayan times and was likely the site of the described mayan outbreak

[rotund fable]

woah

what were you guys trying to find with that

[eternal talon]

I also spent like two weeks digging into the plants native to destination around the time r6 came out.

closest earth species was eventually found to be the Syrian Thistle.

[eternal talon]

(ultimately a meaningless comparison, but another fun adventure)

[eternal talon]

anything. it was moreso for the fun of it. As shown, the arg logs are... very fucking dense. at the time it was thought that we shouldn't put it past the devs to reference an old doccument such as that

[rotund fable]

i mean has there been any findings that DID correspond with old documents like that?

[eternal talon]

i do recall at one point with the log i linked you, that we ended up having a community member, Amanes, discover the coords were for a NASA star chart.

but not for really old doccuments no, that was the only forte into that kind of thing

[rotund fable]

super interesting

had no idea the lore or anything would tie this deep lmfao

fr just thought oh game with humans who got infected and we shoot and do our job as prisoners lol

[eternal talon]

the game started in r1 with no logs at all. then we got drip fed, and it ramped up in r4 and r5, with the character origins pre-hydrostasis, then it jumped off a cliff in r6 into chaos.

and it only got crazier since.

[eternal talon]

idk how far into the doc you read, but we aren't technically prisoners. (only woods would really qualify), we are slaves.

under biocom and our neural chips, we dont have free will

[rotund fable]

yeah before reading i thought we were prisoners based on what ive heard from alot of people but we're just mindless slaves

[eternal talon]

r7c1 -- schaeffer and henrikkson talk about this in depth and i think it'd be an excelent listen for this point

let me go fetch the audio for you.

[rotund fable]

yeah i still dont really know how Schaeffer or Henrikkson really are yet

i hear their names being passed around quite a bit tho

[eternal talon]

if you are new to the game, i'd reccomend starting with r7, then playing through alt.

[rotund fable]

im already almost done with r1

[eternal talon]

go through it with the idea that the alt// rundowns are their entire separate universe

and ogr1 - r7, is OUR universe, our original characters that is.

r8 is the two universes merging. (+god knows how many more... so many bodies)

multiple schaeffers, dozens of hacketts, bishops, daudas, tons of mess.

[rotund fable]

wtf lol

[eternal talon]

like i said, this game jumped off a cliff in r6, and it just... kept... going....

[rotund fable]

is there a specific order someone new should play in in order of the lore?

[eternal talon]

https://tenor.com/view/cave-dive-darkness-leap-gif-5803442

[eternal talon]

given you can't play the old rundowns on live, start with r7

then alt.

[rotund fable]

the prisoners being dropped into the complex

[rotund fable]

which one is alt?

[eternal talon]

in the rundown select screen, your options are:
Rundown 7
ALT//R1
ALT//R2
ALT//R3
ALT//R4
ALT//R5
ALT//R6
Rundown 8

the ones that say "alt//" are alt

at this point i dont know if we play as the original... no, we don't.

[rotund fable]

i assume the alt ones stand for alternate reality or something?

[eternal talon]

we play as an unknown version of our squad in the alt rundowns.

the alt versions of our squad, (alt//bishop, hackett, woods, dauda), are dead, and found in alt//r6cx.

[eternal talon]

yes

[rotund fable]

wait what

[eternal talon]

in r7 and the second half of r8, we play as our original squad, the true "perfect quad"

[rotund fable]

how does that make sense if in r1-5 we play as them

[eternal talon]

think about it this way

every universe has a squad

every universe has a schaeffer, etc

all the characters

[rotund fable]

yep

[eternal talon]

alt//, had their own versions

hackett, woods, dauda, bishop

they died.

[rotund fable]

in the last mission of alt//r6 we die?

[eternal talon]

then another universe' squad somehow ended up in alt// due to the shenanigans' from the matter wave projector, and complete alt//r1-alt//r6

[eternal talon]

no.

we, our original squad from when the game stated, lets call that the prime worldline

we play as the original squad in the prime worldline in all the original rundowns, and r7.

in r8, the anomalies created by the matter wave projector have gotten so bad, that it is literally dragging universes together.

we play as the unknown squad from the alt// rundowns in the start of r8, but our original squad tricks them and gets them killed.

in the second half of r8, we play as our original squad

[cunning kayak]

no not like this. After the events of the original Rundown 7, the squad of operatives found themselves in an ALTERNATIVE universe (ALT:// Rundowns) - in which alternate versions of Woods, Dauda, Hackett and Bishop exist. and it is their bodies that you can find in ALT R6

[eternal talon]

correct. no, you edited it

not "the" squad

[cunning kayak]

still a squad?

[eternal talon]

we don't play as our original squad again until the second half of r8

[rotund fable]

so we are the originals (or prime versions) that happen to travel into the alt rundowns and find our alternate unvierses selves dead in r6?

[eternal talon]

fuck it, microsoft paint time!

[rotund fable]

lmfao

[cunning kayak]

lol

[rotund fable]

dimensional and time travel shit is confusing

[cunning kayak]

they died

[eternal talon]

meet me in VC channel "hybrid"

[cunning kayak]

whole "new history" lore of the game is based on multiverse

[rotund fable]

one sec lol

okay where is that

[honest merlin]

Random thought: R8E2 ending is actually the bad ending. In that ending the virus has reached a timeline where there was no virus, because all the prisoners are infected.

[fresh gyro]

so real

[fresh gyro]

why schaeffer so ugly

smh

[eternal talon]

#gtfo-lore message

symptoms progress as follows:
Starting with minor flu-like symptoms, progressing to:
**HAEMOPTYSIS, MUSCULAR SPASMS, FROTHING AT THE MOUTH, VIOLENT BEHAVIOUR, EXTREME LETHARGY OR DROWSINESS, DEPRESSION AND VOMITING **, then progressing to:
**Whitening of the skin, Inflammation of the cheeks, neck lips and extremities (fingers, toes), Spinal pain or shocks, Susceptibility to bruising or broken bones, Accelerated breathing/panting, Blood in the sputum **,and then finally killing the host.

NAM-V

Pararasitidae Garganta

[cunning kayak]

@eternal talon seems my mic is broken, so... so far we still have no info about the warden's purpose?

[eternal talon]

#gtfo-lore message

https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/Logs

[eternal talon]

https://www.notion.so/Timeline-0e93a62e8cfd44b3a36beb4ab245a2d0

Rayalot

[cunning kayak]

@eternal talon thank you for your time

[manic shuttle]

I love this fact

its like

the alt people are decent

but our OG squad are still the badass people

[loud urchin]

Og worldline makes beasts I guess

Og John, our squad

[gilded vine]

If AltR7 had happened, we would have had 2 crazy schaeffers

[limpid flume]

Hi @eternal talon ! Sorry to bother you but I got hooked on your previous explanations and I'm a bit confused. How many squads are there that we can see in game?
Like:
#1 is the OG squad, that we played through all of the OG rundowns up to 7, and second half of R8
#2 is a squad from god-knows-which worldline pulled into the ALT// worldline, that we play as for the ALT// rundowns
#3 is the squad native to the ALT// worldline, which can be found dead
does this check out?

[broken oriole]

Haven’t made it to r8e1, what happened to Warden after we gave it the datacube and abandoned us?

[gilded vine]

the warden is presumably destroyed

[cunning kayak]

we play as OG squad in ALT timeline

[gilded vine]

hurh?

[broken oriole]

Um but what’s the purpose of that datacube? (Where did that alt schaeffer go?)

[cunning light]

I am quite certain that we do not

[cunning kayak]

after R7 OG squad somehow went to ALT universe - and we play them in ALT timeline. the bodies we found in ALT R6 are ALT Bishop and Dauda's

[cunning light]

No, those bodies are the same as the ones we find in multiple places in R8

[gilded vine]

To the new universe obviously

[gilded vine]

[cunning light]

They are just (poor souls) another version of our squad, that did not make it

[cunning kayak]

but if you question is "how many of them there are?" check this document https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSLHVp3ReG56bunlm1cuCMwLQxtJkINITk1vVMCgGbrJj-Ce6GWc9TpBNlYYmAujwqh4kSGF-pOjdqb/pubhtml

[gilded vine]

There are infinite universes with the 4 prisoners after all

[gilded vine]

also the warden isn't a person, it's a program running on the entire complex computer system.

[cunning light]

For all we know, the two bodies found in Alt://R6CX could be from a team of Bishop / Dauda / and two random dudes

[gilded vine]

hence why it would be destroyed

I mean there's a whole team of us in R8D1

dead

we know that isnt alt or og team

[limpid flume]

My question was how many we see in game (e.g. Characters we play, bodies we find) , i'd assume there's infinite versions

So we always play as OG squad, except for first half of R8?

[cunning light]

No, we play as OG squad in OG rundowns, and the second half of R8

[limpid flume]

You're giving me trust issues rn ahah

[cunning light]

:')

[manic shuttle]

why glowsick yellow on r8 then uwu

[cunning light]

Because our timelines have merged

We, as the OG team, have moved to the Alt:// dimension, or at least our realities entangled / merged at that point.

Maybe during the first "Matter Wave Collapse" event that is triggered in R7E1

Aka "brazil"

[manic shuttle]

then itshould be Chartreuse

or half and halg

ruining my inmersion

!

[cunning light]

Out of everything, who would have thought we would argue over glowstick color being canon ? :D

[lilac island]

me

[manic shuttle]

half yellow half green

symbolism !!!!!

we mnixing

im kidding

[gilded vine]

😳

[peak frigate]

When did they move to alt univ

After r7e1?

[cunning light]

I am not sure they even did, or if something else happened entirely, like a full on merging of the universes

[peak frigate]

There is something missing here that I cant grasp

[cunning light]

I still have to catch up to the logs in R8 ; I had access to none

And I want to collect them all in order to have the overall picture

[peak frigate]

R8 a1-e1 is alt squad while a2-e2 is og squad right?

[cunning light]

That would be (in my humble opinion), the most reasonable option.

[peak frigate]

Why is alt schafer calm and og schafer a lunatic, this is where Im stuck at

Alt schafer be like : ye we can move to a new uni without virus

Og schafer is : fuck the warden

[cunning light]

This comes from what happened during OG and Alt:// universes

[peak frigate]

I cant really grasp that part

[cunning light]

OG Schaeffer got infected ; Alt:// did not

[peak frigate]

Damn in that case does alt schafer run with og squad

[peak frigate]

Was this given in alt rd6 ? I havent completed it unfort

[cunning light]

It becomes really clear in ||R8D2||

[peak frigate]

Maan Im still at b3

Frick that

[cunning light]

Got to play more !

[peak frigate]

Okay chief

Not gonna spoiler myself

[lyric egret]

do i need to play R7 to understand the lore in R8?

[cunning light]

It would help set a good base for some of the events that occur in R8

R6 would be usefull as well

But you do not "need" to.

[fossil kernel]

I mean his videos are not 100% accurate

At lets be honest

Someone that just got the game is not going to find that lore document

Tbh i was excited to see what would be his expeculations on the sleeper biology

[eternal talon]

Correct. And to answer your question, we find at least 3 sets of corpses from different versions of OUR squad. We don't see other squads in game, but the warden has access to thousands of KSOs other than us.

[eternal talon]

You didnt give the warden anything. You thought you were giving it to schaeffer, but you were being lied to. Our original squad killed schaeffer and was impersonating him. We yoinked the data cubes and left without you.

[eternal talon]

About as close to it, yeah. Schaeffer really did a number on it in OG.

[eternal talon]

He didn't go anywhere. We drowned him.

[eternal talon]

Yep. The corpses of countless versions of us that weren't good enough

[eternal talon]

Yep

[broken oriole]

so r8a1-e1 we played as alt squad?

[eternal talon]

I mean it's technically an alien, but yeah

[eternal talon]

No? Yes? We play as the squad that is in alt. The squad that was originally from the alt worldline died a long time ago, we find their corpses in r6cx

[eternal talon]

Because the worldlines became spaghetti and gave up having any consistency

[limpid flume]

Where do we find them? R8D1, R8A1, and R6?

And thank you for the replies 😁

[eternal talon]

Yeah, by the later points of r8 it is extremely fucked. Destination on earth, a kraken, tons of weird shit. You could even make an argument that og and alt aren't fully merged until the end when we are a single door away from eachother in the Es.

[eternal talon]

I don't recall specifically. I know I took pictures, though. I'm on my mobile however and can't post them. Soz

[eternal talon]

It looks like the ladder. Because alt team had the mwp right up until the point where we stole it.

[eternal talon]

Yes

(Except a2 secondary which is another random squad that dies by the end of the level)

[eternal talon]

Several reasons, but I think one of the most fundamental is their backstory. They both had different upbringings. You can read about this in their personnel files

[eternal talon]

Imho I don't see any possible way that anyone, let alone alt schaeffer couldn't have gotten infected.

[eternal talon]

No, he works with the squad we play as in alt//. I doubt he even knows about OG until him and OG schaeffer duke it out at one of the hearsay terminals

[peak frigate]

Oo

[eternal talon]

And they die immediately after anyway, so kinda no substance to that

[peak frigate]

So that happens too