gtfo-lore

[eternal talon]

I don't actually know if a secret code (without terminal lock ofc) is possible

[queen gazelle]

it is on based terminal setup

[cunning light]

Maybe if you provide a path (also hidden), you start Doom in the Terminal

[queen gazelle]

a core command it comes from code?

not just dB

[cunning light]

In any case, I doubt it is lore-related

[queen gazelle]

yeah just firgured frostty might have info to crack the easter egg

she would be the one to know this style of gtfo things

[eternal talon]

Like if I set a terminal to have a spinningwaitdone output of say, opening a door, it will always be visible if you type "commands". As to weather the devs can bypass this somehow to make a hidden command... I'm not sure

[eternal talon]

I'm kinda interested to know what this easer egg is, though

[queen gazelle]

you can from code it be a hidden command just type start on any terminal

yup i guess the hunt begins!

[eternal talon]

Where is the terminal in question

[queen gazelle]

any terminal

[eternal talon]

Is something special about it?

[cunning light]

Everywhere, apparently

[queen gazelle]

you can type start in it

[eternal talon]

Just any generic terminal?

[queen gazelle]

seems like it

[eternal talon]

I... have no idea then

[queen gazelle]

there might be two peices in my mind

[cunning light]

Which probably helps reinforce the idea that it is not lore-related
Otherwise, such command would have been placed in a specific one

[queen gazelle]

the terminal and the place for the easter egg

[eternal talon]

I was thinking I could track down that specific terminal and look in the levellayout but if it's every terminal then it's certainly hidden far deeper.

I'd have to find the code that makes terminals work

[queen gazelle]

i could dump the mono code but if i remeber correctly it isnt in the r6 mono

[eternal talon]

When it comes to the ARG logs I was only really able to help with the one that cracked destination's coordinates, and that is because I already had used Base64 in the past to encode things. These kinda hunts are way beyond my brain power

[queen gazelle]

makes sense

[eternal talon]

In fact, there is still that audio log that is unsolved I got pinned in here a couple months ago

[queen gazelle]

cool fact the start command is on the training terminal

which is crazy cause it is restricted terminal commands

[eternal talon]

Is this new or how long has this been around?

[queen gazelle]

no idea we found out about it because a new gtfo streamer couldnt firgure out about reactor start up

they typed just Start reactor and it gave us it wasnt a vaild file

[eternal talon]

So it's asking for a "Start __"?

[queen gazelle]

start something

[eternal talon]

If it's one word, you technically cooooould brute force it if you have enough time on your hands

[queen gazelle]

XD

fuck it

[eternal talon]

Break down words in the English language by commonality then run through the list

[queen gazelle]

i can force it through with a scipt that logs through every possible combo

idk how long it would take

[eternal talon]

Obviously skipping stuff like
Start Start
Start a
Start I
Start the
Start what
Start jam

If it can accept multiple words than that'd take infinitely longer to crack

[lilac island]

We've brute forced a terminal password like that

_ove i think it was

Or something

[solar nova]

Would it be fair to describe over-canonizing game mechanics to be the main flaw of the story?

[queen gazelle]

it isnt the only flaw

tbh not even that bad of one

[eternal talon]

It'd be easier for this game to show a narrative if they didn't decide to make levels entirely out of prefabs with randomly generated aspects.

[solar nova]

I guess it depends on if the story was completely planned out already, and the game is just being fit into that plan, vs. if the gameplay is taken as direction for the writing room.

[eternal talon]

But part of the flaw is just refusing to thoroughly explain the story, and instead making it a puzzle

[solar nova]

I think I hard disagree on that.

[eternal talon]

Part of this is just my preference to RPG style games where you go to A-B through a campaign rather than a level, but having to search for a story isn't always a good method for storytelling.

Gtfo simply is pure gameplay with lore on the side. Post r6 with a shift to a much larger story focus, it doesn't work

[solar nova]

I think when the story was more of a puzzle, it had much more of an appeal.

That isn't to say that revealing information was the problem, either. The problem is that the story itself has problems that are becoming more apparent the more we know about it. A more compelling narrative would most certainly feel more rewarding.

[burnt wren]

It does introduces new problems, but it's not inherently bad... Just not desirable.

[solar nova]

The story focus in R6 wasn't the problem, though. The way the story was presented was bad, but after that has been rectified the narrative itself is still flawed.

[burnt wren]

They didn't had to make enemies disappearing canon. That just denies us the autopsy report and deeper look into nature of sleepers.

Multiverse shenanigans is... Whatever.

Other than that they didn't really touch any other mechanics. They havent even attempted to explain infection, spitters, shadows, fliers...

[solar nova]

Yeah, I guess the story is somewhat on its own.

I guess I'm thinking back to D0c saying that the Warden statistics are canon, and conflating my impression that this was a forced plot device vs. in actuality he was making a reference to what the plan was all along.

Still, I wonder what that original sketching looked like. Were they really not influenced by a desire to connect the hardcore nature of the game to a story about a literally near-impossible collection of tasks?

[burnt wren]

The story is flawed because multiverse mechanics always are. They are insane. No one has the time to actually think them through.

That's on top of just... Clichés like big corporation bad and everyone sucks at their job and is an asshole.

What happened to noble scientists opening pandora's box out of curiosity.

R8 has a chance to clarify some things, so we're currently stuck in limbo of not knowing the actual state of the plot line and unable to make the final verdict.

But from experience of other franchises - the chances are not great. It always becomes too convoluted and nonsensical in the end.

[crisp citrus]

The flaw is the puzzle might be missing half the pieces and you also don't have the cover of the box to look at

Blind assembly of pieces that might fit together until you get given a new piece that contradicts it

[burnt wren]

Honestly my original theory (way back when) of "prisoners working for a maintanance AI in a doomed world, because it doesn't know what else to do" is far more potent, because it opens existential crisis of being the last people on earth, performing pointless tasks like Sisyphus pushing his boulder.

[crisp citrus]

That would have been too artistic or something of the devs to do

[burnt wren]

All kinds of conflicts and debates could be made around that, but alas.

The funniest part is that the side plots of the game are far more interesting

[crisp citrus]

My favorite side plot is how the hell the virus and parasite works with the hsu

I am relatively convinced that HSU kills the virus and MAYBE the parasite before a certain point

[burnt wren]

The spiraling of Mr Truth.
The Daylight expedition.
Schaeffer and Art trying to be best bros around an asshole overseer.
The patient zero - whoever the fuck that was and why did they do what they did.
The Durant expedition and their closure.

We still don't even know what's the deal with Project Insight. A project so bad it made Dauda - the immoral scientist he is - to forsake and curse humanity.

[crisp citrus]

Idk maybe r8 can wrap up things

Would be cool if r8 showed the project insight in some way

[burnt wren]

They fucking have to. They owe it to us.

[crisp citrus]

Well now you've done it.

[burnt wren]

Chekhov's Gun is a writing principle for a reason.

[crisp citrus]

We definitely won't be seeing it now that you've said this.

[cunning light]

I like to think of the Warden statistics as in "each run represents the team of 4 characters in a dimension. Each time we fail, this dimension is doomed, but there is always this ideal dimension where we just keep on winning." Chad theory remains canon, perhaps ?

[burnt wren]

I mean... Yeah. Out of a billion membranes he will eventually find one where our lads always win.

However the question remains: do they win through raw skill or because of the premonitions they get through membrane leaking?

[cunning light]

Not to say I agree with the whole idea, but I find it appealing, in the current state of our knowledge

[burnt wren]

Alt Woods was acting like he's seen it all already.

[cunning light]

There are indeed some logs that seem to indicate a sort of knowledge transfer between KSOs, that cannot be explained

[crisp citrus]

We are the best version of ourselves prisoners stay winning

[cunning light]

Too many plotholes, but well, we will see how it all turns out Soon™

[crisp citrus]

BORN TO STEALTH
WARDEN IS A FUCK
Kill Em All 2055
I am KSO man
410,757,864,530 DEAD SLEEPERS

I can't wait for the revelation where it turns out we, the player, were the wardens all along

[burnt wren]

Mr Truth getting confused by alt memories is probably one of the biggest mindfucks right now.

[solar nova]

I don't see how that's a bad thing, though. That is what makes the progressively more complete puzzle appealing.

You could argue that it can lead to people latching on to headcanon too strongly, but I don't think that has ever been a significant problem in the lore community. The narrative isn't unappealing because we had a better alternative we thought we saw right around the corner, the narrative is unappealing because it is unappealing as a narrative.

[crisp citrus]

It's bad because it makes speculating extremely speculative, and impossible to confirm anything that isn't explicitly said and even then it's sometimes contradictory

I like my puzzle lore to have at least something of a solid base and many pieces that are interesting.

Like the souls games

[burnt wren]

Like, okay... I can accept that people in the complex suffer membrane fuckery just through proximity to the inner and everything related. But Mr Truth is not even near. What is his deal? Is he the only one, or the entire population of the planet was exposed?

[crisp citrus]

I like the item description lore

[burnt wren]

Item description lore mega based.

[crisp citrus]

One of the Garganta laser explosion beams bounced off a satellite and nailed him in the forehead

[burnt wren]

It also helps that they explain things that already happened and thus just provide context, they don't actually progress or affect the story.

[crisp citrus]

Sleepers should have had usbs on them that you got when you stealthed them

And each USB gave you data lol

That would have been so goofy

[solar nova]

That is literally the story. It's not really in the realm of speculation anymore, there is an interconnected multiverse that we interact with, most directly in the alt timeline, and we are the most successful version of our quad (and most successful quad in general) in the local stretch of multiverse (which is presumably some kind of infinite fractal-esque structure).

[crisp citrus]

Did you see this fractal

[solar nova]

But that's good? No room to speculate makes for dead discussion. Knowing everything upfront is not necessarily good or interesting, and many narratives in fiction reveal information gradually exactly to engage the reader.

[burnt wren]

That's not the good kind of discussions, imho.

A discussions about a story should never be "how could this be good or make sense?", it should be "it's great because of this, this, this, this and how it all intertwines and works together" or something like that.

The former is just coonsoomer discussions demanding a sequel that will finally explain things and fix the problems. Which is, unfortunately, very much what we are experiencing right now.

We don't even have characters here. Our lads are basically Gordon Freeman with extra steps. No agenda besides survival.
Schaeffer, Warden and Collectors are actors... But I couldn't tell you one interesting thing about Schaeffer's character.
...
Actually there is one. His bromance with Art. You know... The one that he successfully forgot because of HSU, not to mention that Art is very likely dead.

[cunning light]

The fact that most significant characters in the game have suffered from severe memory loss does not help with their development, I agree :(

[burnt wren]

That and devs' refusal to use the goddamn random dialogue.

[crisp citrus]

Important plot elements are left unknown. Speculation is good but if there isn't enough concrete anything then too much guessing goes on

[burnt wren]

Anyone remembers left 4 dead? How characters would comment on things and even have banter in the process? Best we have is banter when someone takes fall damage.

[cunning light]

There are a lot of concrete baseline elements, in both the OG Rundowns and Alt:// ones

We know how we got here, and why

[solar nova]

The way you're framing this doesn't match what I'm talking about or how the lore has been presented in practice, imo.

You are not describing problems with the gradually provided puzzle, you're describing ways in which the game's narrative is flawed, contrived, or bad.

[crisp citrus]

We still don't have confirmation on why our squad hasn't died of nam v

[burnt wren]

We kinda do.

[crisp citrus]

I have said before it's the HSU killing the virus and have been met with "no it can't" and "yes" and "it might but we don't know"

[cunning light]

We have no evidence of the HSU being unable to neutralize Nam-V for a time. I know proving a negative is not great, but there is that.
As far as we know, each time we enter our pod, we get healed (for now)

[crisp citrus]

I'm pretty sure there's a single log saying something about HSUs and viruses

[solar nova]

And what is the problem with that? What about the narrative is currently incomprehensible?

[burnt wren]

Virus development time to kill you is 3 weeks, at least.
We spend most of the time in the HSU which basically stops the progress.
Average mission completion time is like 1 hour.
There are 70 missions.
Even rounded up we still only have 100 hours of up time and virus progress, out of... 24 x 20... 500 hours required to finally give us in.

[crisp citrus]

But we surely had it before then right

And if we all have it

[burnt wren]

Maybe.

[crisp citrus]

How come Schaeffer says we can survive with the warden

How did Schaeffer last so long

[solar nova]

That isn't a true plothole, though. Nothing really needs to be elaborated on here, if everything were explained up-front this would still be a "problem," and then it's still really not one, people are just wanting too much information.

[cunning light]

He spent the last 7 years in a HSU

[crisp citrus]

Then he got out and walked around the complex

[burnt wren]

Actually yeah... The fact that they could've been infected prior throws all the wrenches into my calculations. Ouchies.

Another hole for the pile!

[crisp citrus]

We are KSOs

Chances are we were walking around at some point during the Nam-V first spreading debacle

Even then Schaefer not dying after breaking out of warden control is one thing

[burnt wren]

Yeah, we want explanation because information we already have does not add up, it's that simple.

It kills you in a month. No immunity. No cure. So what the fuck?

Hsu 100% got something to do with it, that's the only thing we can say for certain.

[crisp citrus]

I therefore propose again that
-HSU kills the virus, it's just everywhere so when you get out you have it again instantly.
-Schaeffer survives by periodically going in and out of the HSU, bypasses memory by writing down important stuff
-the parasite dies in the HSU, probably as long as it is below a size. Even if it doesn't, wouldn't matter so long as you didn't get it, or warden could do surgery and remove it.

[burnt wren]

And there are a lot of red herring logs that say contradicting things too.

One log says "nothing survives hydrostasis unless we want it to".
Another says: "send me the list of pathogens. It might be incomplete" in response to KSOs having weird behavior that they can't explain otherwise.

[crisp citrus]

HSU killing the virus doesn't contradict the lack of cure. HSU technology is relatively secret and it doesn't cure it, just kills it. A cure would have to treat it like other vaccinations for things.

[silver ibex]

If there is no cure, then how tf does the HSU kill the virus?

[silver ibex]

That’s not how viruses work though…

[crisp citrus]

This actually supports it. This means the list of pathogens is expandable, and any mutations of namv could get added

[crisp citrus]

Look man I'm trying to be logical and scientific but you can't be when we use a vibrating cube to transmigrate to a desert

I Do My Best

[burnt wren]

There are bread crumbs everywhere, but the discussion is dead because we have next to nothing to work with.
Either HSU kills the virus or it does not. Which one is it?
If it doesn't - how are we still alive?
If it does... Well, that closes this particular question and there's no discussions to be had past that.

[silver ibex]

Vaccinations are not equal to cures. Vaccinations are preemptive measures to NOT getting a specific disease. A cure removes a bacteria/virus from within a mainstream body

[crisp citrus]

Ok replace vaccine with whatever word is a cure

[silver ibex]

So that just doesn’t add up

[crisp citrus]

Super antibiotics idk

[silver ibex]

???

Did you read?

[crisp citrus]

Yes

I used the wrong word

Mentally replace the word I used with the one I meant

[silver ibex]

What

HSU killing the virus just doesn’t add up

[crisp citrus]

Adds up better than it not

[silver ibex]

No, it doesn’t

Because you can’t kill a virus without a cure

[burnt wren]

I mean...

[crisp citrus]

The hsu kills viruses though

[silver ibex]

Why do you think ICUs exists?

[crisp citrus]

The HSU is a fictional invention

And in the story is limited to Kovacs security

It is not widely available or even used

[silver ibex]

If anything HSUs are essentially ICUs for our KSOs

[crisp citrus]

And it's existence is honestly borderline illegal

[silver ibex]

They keep them relatively stable

Allowing them to live longer

But killing is a stretch

[crisp citrus]

There is a log stating the HSU kills anything that isn't the user

[silver ibex]

Okay, let’s go along with that

[crisp citrus]

There is another log mentioning weird KSO behavior, and potentially needing to update the kill list or whatever on HSUs

[silver ibex]

And we know that they aren’t widespread

[burnt wren]

"nothing survives hsu unless we want it to" is the quote.

[crisp citrus]

Therefore there is a kill list

New strains of nam v probably weren't added

[silver ibex]

Then why is the theory that we may be able to survive such a shot down theory?

[crisp citrus]

The warden though can actively do such a thing

[crisp citrus]

I don't shoot it down

[burnt wren]

They can manipulate the liquid to contain vitamins or whatever to make sure specified flora survives the stasis and can be restarted after.

[silver ibex]

Not you, but a lot of people

[solar nova]

"The only method we have found of killing the virus is by stopping the biological functions of the host through hydrostasis (or death). Fortunately, the parasites have not yet found a way into the HSUs. However, after hydrostasis reinfection is possible. We continue to improve our sterilization and prophylaxis methods, but
we are fighting a losing battle. I see no future for us if we do not seek the
origin of these lifeforms and find an immune genome. If we are to survive NAM-V, we must turn to the nature that created it. Evolution has had millions of years
to fight the virus. We have months."

[crisp citrus]

People are doom braining it idk

[burnt wren]

Like bacteria in your guts.

[silver ibex]

HSUs can be dragged, albeit with a lot of force

[crisp citrus]

So it does kill it

[solar nova]

The log is very clear.

[silver ibex]

Then that would mean the only reason why we aren’t bringing it is because of inconvenience

[silver ibex]

To me this just screams similarity to ICUs

[crisp citrus]

Dude

[burnt wren]

Exactly!

[silver ibex]

It’s slowing down the host

I.e the KSO

[crisp citrus]

It stops the host

"stopping biological functions"

Not slowing

Stopping

[silver ibex]

So cryogenics

[crisp citrus]

You are Dead

[silver ibex]

Similarly

[crisp citrus]

Then you become Alive again

[burnt wren]

So what's the deal with KSO handlers trying to figure out the decease that keeps messing with their heads?

[silver ibex]

That’s not killing the virus…

[burnt wren]

Is that a red herring? Something else completely?

[crisp citrus]

Brain damage from repeat freezing and unfreezing

Wouldn't be weird

[cunning light]

This could be a side effect of having a chip literally implanted in your brain

[crisp citrus]

Or a strain of the virus they haven't put on the kill list

[crisp citrus]

This here

[burnt wren]

They weren't considering that possibility and from the way they speak it can't be the case to begin with.

[crisp citrus]

"send me a list of pathogens. it might be incomplete"

[burnt wren]

Let me get the counter-log

[silver ibex]

Mutagens

[crisp citrus]

The virus mutates rapidly

But the warden is there to actively update it

[solar nova]

Alternative point to the story sometimes being bad, some "holes" in the story are just people not reading or failing to process existing logs.

Having the complete picture or not doesn't really affect that.

[crisp citrus]

Idk HSU killing virus is pretty real

[silver ibex]

Didn’t the log just prove that HSUs are more similar to cryogenics?

[silver ibex]

.

HSUs are basically a future advanced cryogenic machine that can bring you alive again

[crisp citrus]

Stopping

It says

Stopping

You die

It revives you after

And it says it kills anything they don't want alive in there

[solar nova]

That is cryogenics, lol.

[burnt wren]

Anyone here knows what a BAT result is?

[crisp citrus]

Unless I'm wrong

[silver ibex]

Stopping the host

[crisp citrus]

Cryogenics freezes you to slow biological functions

[silver ibex]

The host being some person, in this case, an operative

[crisp citrus]

Not stopping them

[silver ibex]

No

You are wrong

Today, modern day, cryogenics, people are dead within the machines

Their bloodstream is pumped full of sugar and they are dead

No heartbeat

All the machine is doing is preserving the body

That’s exactly what HSUs sound like it’s doing

Except with an addition: bringing you back to life

[crisp citrus]

Ok

But it says it kills whatever they don't want to survive

[silver ibex]

It says stops the host

Nowhere do I see kill virus

Host is a person

[crisp citrus]

Therefore it does, unless they're lying, which at that point you might as well assume it's all lies

Nothing survives unless we want it to

As in it kills everything it doesn't explicitly allow to survive

[silver ibex]

That could also be up to interpretation

[solar nova]

It does say it kills the virus, tho.

[crisp citrus]

Reread this entire conversation from the start please

[silver ibex]

“Nothing survives” could just be killing the operative and just everything along with them

[cunning light]

The logs imply that the virus cannot survive without a seemingly alive host. Be it the parasite, or us.

[solar nova]

"the only method we have found of killing the virus" is saying that hydrostasis kills it.

[silver ibex]

If you kill the host you do have a chance to kill the virus within as well

So that can be interpreted to be “killing everything within”

[cunning light]

The HSU process is similar enough to cryogenics; you are, for all intents and purposes, dead inside.

[solar nova]

The pathogen log doesn't necessarily suggest that the thing they are sequencing the DNA of is alive, either.

[silver ibex]

HSUs have to have something else in them

Because if we are to say that HSUs are advanced cryogenic machines, viruses can still technically survive within a host

Even in cryo

The virus just has to be sustained/mutated to bear extreme temps

But I doubt that’s how HSUs operate

[cunning light]

Some of virus might survive in a dead host, but as far as we know this is one (maybe the only) weakness of NAM-V. It needs a living host to survive and multiply.

[silver ibex]

It’s similar, not exact

Just throw in some sci-fi shit about HSUs and call it a day

[cunning light]

Works for me :D

I have more serious questions about other plotholes

The "HSU kills NAM-V" is good enough in my book

[burnt wren]

**Angela,

I don't see how pathogens could be influencing the BAT results to be honest. The assessments are carried out after at least 5 days in HS recovery, and very few organisms will survive suspended animation for more than a few days without a finely tuned external subsistence strategy to keep them alive. When we introduce positive bacteriophages we have to stimulate them constantly or they won't survive even a few hours in HS. This is without considering the counter-agents and neutralizers we use in the amniotic plasma.

Any behavioural issues you are seeing are psychological, not biological. Nothing survives HS unless we want it to.**

---

**"Very few".

There are things you don't know that you don't know. I need a complete list of all pathogens you have exposed to hydrostasis. I have a suspicion your list is not complete.

Angela.**

I'm trying to find logs that talked about this prior, but so far nothing matches the topic of these 2.
WTF is a BAT result?

[cunning light]

This log could be interpreted as "NAM-V survives longer in a dead host than expected ; 5 days will not be long enough to kill it when it should kill everything"

[silver ibex]

Basics Ability Test

That’s what BAT stands for

[cunning light]

It is an extremely resilient organism, after all

[silver ibex]

I’d assume the test subjects are being evaluated

It would make sense for it to be a Basic Ability Test, as they are being tested and watched for behavior issues

Anything that would be remotely linked to behavior would immediately be picked up in those tests

After all, you don’t need emotions to do specific tasks, right?

Like walking

[eternal talon]

hydrostasis also kills you. thats your "cure". while in hydrostasis, you are 99.99% dead

[burnt wren]

So:
A) It is nam-v, which contradicts log that Rayalot posted.
B) Its a red herring and Angela is wrong. It is, in fact, not a pathogen but something else... Like membrane fuckery.

[eternal talon]

it doesnt just remove it from your system... its like saying a boiling pot is curing a live crab of any bad diseases it may have carried. everything is dying equally

[crisp citrus]

@silver ibex you give the devs too much credit

They are probably not biologists or virologists

[eternal talon]

and the bigger problem with nam-v and hydrostasis is moreso the mutations that it leaves

since those are permanent

[crisp citrus]

Nah the mutations are resolved

[silver ibex]

Ye I know lol, I pulled shit from my classes

[crisp citrus]

You deal with the mutations because the warden is an excellent surgeon

[silver ibex]

That’s why I think some things don’t add up

Like I throw some sci-fi shit in there it’s all good for me

[crisp citrus]

Uh

The stasis working is the sci fi

The part where you come back to life is the sci fi

[silver ibex]

But I could say that if HSUs are anything remotely like cryo then there is a possibility that a virus survives

It’s just possible

[crisp citrus]

It's possible from the standpoint of reality and stuff

[eternal talon]

gtfo is already far beyond anything realistic. @rocky wraith can talk about unit 23 in r7d1 for example and how its growth to adulthood in seconds is physically impossible

[silver ibex]

Yea

[crisp citrus]

But we are gaming

[rocky wraith]

mlem

[silver ibex]

Thats why I said I threw in some sci-fi shit and called it a day

[crisp citrus]

We are gaming and not doing biology or complex medical science

Save the realistic virology for GTFI

[silver ibex]

If anything the closest thing to that is Captain America

[crisp citrus]

(get the fuck in, the hit game prequel where you play as an underpaid and overworked Garganta scientist trying to cure Nam-V)

[rocky wraith]

HSU's are far from cryogenic unfortunately

[silver ibex]

You would literally need explosive cell growth

Like cancer on steroids

Times 1000

[crisp citrus]

Matter wave projector to super age them

So simple

Vibrate them thousands of times faster

[rocky wraith]

recursive growth patterns with high intake amino-importers and you could do it scifi theoretically

[silver ibex]

Sci-fi theoretically

Yea

[eternal talon]

i mean to be fair some of the people in this channel are IRL specialists, like beanz

[silver ibex]

Like I said

[rocky wraith]

like everything in this game

[eternal talon]

that's why i called him in

[silver ibex]

I threw in sci-fi shit and called it a day

[rocky wraith]

Be me got my molecular bio degree and now applying to the RAF

clearly not smort

[eternal talon]

the thing with RISE is that's a KOVAC effort, not Insight. they wouldn't be using the alien tech with it.

[silver ibex]

The chemistry ain’t chemistry-ing alongside the biology lol

Fuck it

[solar nova]

Not necessarily a contradiction. If it is killing the vast majority of individual NAM-V viruses, then it is still killing the virus, it just reinfects right after. This would also explain how we survive, as the virus needs to remultiply every time we leave a long period of hydrostasis.

[rocky wraith]

I thought we went over this log ages back and already concluded that this log was from before they discovered the NAM-V virus and parasite stuff. Because NAM-V is destroyed by the HSU's however any damage caused is non-reversible

[burnt wren]

He directly says they do the BAT test at least after 5 days which kill everything else. So something is still affecting the KSOs after the long sleep.

[rocky wraith]

So calcified brain parts aren't able to regenerate and so psychological symptoms remain

[burnt wren]

Oh, did we? When? I swear that's a new log.

Off i go to checking OG R6 logs.

[rocky wraith]

It's from before the ALT

like OG rundowns

[burnt wren]

A-ha.

The log is indeed present in the original R6. It just didn't had Angela's response.

[rocky wraith]

yems

[burnt wren]

Hm. No dates on either.

[rocky wraith]

Could also be that they are chasing the red herring of the virus, when in reality they are seeing the recursion of memories in Operatives under high stress. Which causes them to redevelop mental tics and fragments of personality after being exposed to high stress situations

[burnt wren]

That would be a fair enough explanation for now.

[rocky wraith]

Which was mentioned in another log

AND we have to account for the memories being shared across membranes which are psychologically influencing our operatives

[burnt wren]

If it is a Basic Ability Test - surely that wouldn't affect anything? At least if it truly is "basic".

Some re-surging trauma wouldn't affect your ability to lift weights, surely.

Then again, they don't specify shit. Internet couldn't even tell me what BAT means.

Which again just kills the entire conversation. Can't come to a conclusion = nothing to discuss.

R8 can't come soon enough.

[silver ibex]

The definitions on the internet don’t really apply to this

Don’t think blood alcohol really is useful

Or the technician

Lol

They could have modified the Basic Ability Test

[rocky wraith]

If it's anything like the CBAT I took recently, (Computer Based Aptitude Test) then it would also be taking into account coordination, problem-solving, short-term memory, reflex, etc. all of which can be affected by psychological changes

[silver ibex]

Would make more sense if it was an aptitude test

[rocky wraith]

The BAT test for immune responses may also make sense, as they would detect heightened levels of Basophils and IgA markers indicative of a recent parasitic infection, possibly the parasite in game

Which may relate to possibly the Parasite being killed in their system from the HSU, however your antibodies and heightened system would show on the BAT

even 5 days later

so if it is the classic Basophil Activation Test, then it may make sense in the time frame that the scientists are aware of the Virus, but NOT of the Parasite.

[burnt wren]

And we do have a log saying that parasites haven't found their way into HSUs... Yet.

[rocky wraith]

I'm still massively behind on ALT R6 logs and stuff but I hope I was helpful

[eternal talon]

and this is where shit gets fucky. yeah we have an expert looking into these logs for information, but the devs themselves aren't experts. what are the chances they are just winging it with termonology and stumble into stuff that sounds like its accurate?

[silver ibex]

Maybe get a dev to dive into lore and come out with what they planned/expected vs what it is now

[rocky wraith]

I mean, we'll try to interpret in the best faith possible, but so far they have been excellent on the bio side for most of it

[eternal talon]

hahahahahhahaha, they'd never do that

they dont talk about the lore ever, not even in QAs

believe me, i've tried

[silver ibex]

[rocky wraith]

I think they learned their lesson after that whole debacle. They know you are up to mischief >:)

[eternal talon]

which debacle?

[rocky wraith]

can't remember exaclty, but I remember a dev responding to something once and it caused a small uproar with the lore peeps lol

[eternal talon]

this one?
"well i will never answer things in a chat like this that you could find answers for in the game itself, i can talk about the process of developing the game and the process of writing the stuff, but questions about the logics of the story itself you have to play the game and look for answers and clues, but i mean yeah that was a little bit of a flex of that first like, "i know this stuff and i know about the timeline and i'm trying to put you on the spot here and point out that there is a logical fallacy"

[burnt wren]

Oh, that's 100% what's happening.

It happens with every sci-fi film, book, anything.

Writers just... Skip the problematic parts. They just say that it works, not how it works and its the watcher's duty to not dig too deep because they will reliably find some dirty cotton.

[eternal talon]

"holy shit... that is a great idea... lets take that and pretend it was ours all along:

[eternal talon]

is one of the more common i've seen, though it isnt always a bad thing

[burnt wren]

Like Dragons for example

They are basically the golden industry standard for that kind of stuff

[rocky wraith]

I can't remember

[burnt wren]

They do not need to explain how they breath fire, they just do.

[eternal talon]

after Goblin Slayer basically every movie and video game franchise now uses that for their goblin lore, instead of trickster forest sprites

[burnt wren]

Inb4 some biologist comes in and says that no biological material can withstand that temperature or something.

[rocky wraith]

magic of course!!!!

[rocky wraith]

plenty can lol

[eternal talon]

i mean, look at the difference between LOTR orcs and conventional orc lore

only other that comes close in uniqueness is 40k plant orcs

[burnt wren]

What was that one dragon based horror movie...

It was a post apocalypse modern day film where actual dragons were the calamity that brought human civilization down

I think they had some funky explanation for fire breathing, but can't remember

[rocky wraith]

usually it's something along the lines of flammable stomach acids and neck-pouch(Crop) rocks that grind and make sparks

[chilly prairie]

has anyone else noticed the interrupted communications are different than how they were originally

[lilac island]

Is there a lore reason why dauda is black

Why doesn't warden kill Scheaffer? Is he stupid?

[finite vine]

?

[finite vine]

I thought that there was a log saying that NAM-V is killed by hydrostasis.

[finite vine]

also hydrostasis is not cryogenic. its a made-up system, so no telling what "hydrostasis" exactly is or does. all we have been told is that it creates memory loss, and has the potential so kill basically anything, including NAM-V, which we have been told it kills from a log.

[finite vine]

is it said anywhere in a log that being in hydrostasis kills you? to my understanding, it only creates memory loss.

[finite vine]

that last part makes me want to see the log where it says hydrostasis kills NAM-V. Is the bottom part a new log? I dont remember that paragraph. Makes me think that they are alluding to the fact that NAM-V can survive hydrostasis.

[finite vine]

actually, the log im talking about never explicitly says that hydrostasis kills NAM-V. Just says that "nothing survives hydrostasis unless we want it to"

[silver ibex]

I never said it was, I just said it was most similar to

[eternal talon]

it is. (but so are you technically speaking)

[eternal talon]

rayalot posted a snippet of the log earlier
#gtfo-lore message

also here
The breakthrough that Kovac Research hopes will answer these questions is called Hydrostasis - a process that allows humans to be held in a state of suspended animation for weeks, months, even years at a time without suffering any ill-effects. The nuts and bolts of the process are a closely guarded secret, but sources speculate that the procedure likely uses a synthetic amniotic fluid to sustain and protect the body while it is in an induced comatose state. In this state, the body is - for all intents and purposes - dead, but no cell deterioration or physical decay occurs. For the human in Hydrostasis, the heart, and time, stops.

from "A Fractured History", OGr5

[finite vine]

ah ok

[lilac island]

Except the brain

The brain doesn't have fun

[rose panther]

Artifacts r just candy with worms inside them. Like the suckers that have scorpions in them

This is now canon

[fresh gyro]

real

[lilac island]

I mean it is

[royal crow]

i never said it changed

[eternal talon]

I know. the person that you were replying to did. I was adding onto what you said

[royal crow]

alright alright

honestly theres still too much questions about everything

are we at least sure the warden wants to actually help us?

or is he just playing with us?

[eternal talon]

they do certainly have a whole hell of a lot to explain

[eternal talon]

thats my idea too.

[royal crow]

someone or something just doesnt comes and says: "let me help"

its very fishy

[eternal ledge]

goofy ass is probably stuck in the fucking sand world

[frigid haven]

why are there chargers and gaints compared to regular sleepers? are they mutated or do they have some other virus in them?

[coral gorge]

Probably mutation of the virus/parasite

that causes them to take the role of like guardians or smth for the hive

[frigid haven]

i guess that makes some sense

[rustic cedar]

Well we know the warden is something from the collectors ship right? In which case it would make sense that the warden would most likely want to do something about the sleepers, but since we aren’t collectors it probably doesn’t view us as relevant to it, hence why its willing to throw us into situations that should probably kill us till we succeed

We might be the “expendable” units it can use to solve its problems

[crisp citrus]

It spoke to Schaeffer though saying it wants to help us or something

[cunning light]

It could be one additional way to motivate us to perform what it wants. But to be fair this might be the only chance we have to save whatever is left of the Human race so...

[rustic cedar]

Honestly might be more of a “the enemy of my enemy is my friend type of thing”

[crisp citrus]

In what sense

We are humans on a dying planet overrun by a parasite disease

[rustic cedar]

It wants to get rid of the sleepers, we want to get rid of the sleepers

[crisp citrus]

We aren't getting rid of them though?

Everyone's a sleeper or infected besides us and the other KSOs in the HSUs

The whole plan isn't to kill them all, or wait out the disease cause we cant

It'd probably be to escape the timeline with the matter wave projector

[rustic cedar]

True

Ima keep thinking, I’m still learning a lot of the lore

[burnt wren]

1. That might not be the case
2. Getting rid of the sleepers is not solving any of the problems

Sleepers are a phenomena exclusive to the facility due to presence of the parasite.
The NAM-V virus is the primary enemy here, and it already won - the outside world is 99% dead save for very far away and very secluded communities, and even then its only a question of time before namv finds its way there too - be it by wind, by animals, even by flora maybe even.

[coral gorge]

sleepers are on the surface in ALT

[burnt wren]

Localized to america, at worst. Still its only the 2nd largest problem

[eternal talon]

Fish sleepers? Or what about migrating bird sleepers...

You know albatrosses can lock their wings and sleep while flying over insane distances

The parasite has a number of ways it could leave the americas

[burnt wren]

To be fair we don't know how the virus interacts with animals, but its safe to assume that probably the exact same way it does with humans. Being agressive only to humanoids or even just primates would be... Way too specific.

[eternal talon]

yeah, i'm leaning heavily off of the destination species here

but if it can jump from something as alien as that, to us, it'd be far, far easier for it to jump from us to other earth species

[crisp citrus]

Ngl where is the sleeper bear final boss

[eternal talon]

different subspecies of the parasite + differences in the infected host's genetic material and physical makeup.
Here are several of the named subspecies in the genus; Gallus Reptus, Gallus Jaculus, Gallus Capreolatus, Gallus Horridus.

more details on the individual differences can be found in the ALT//r3 log "7GY-HYP-SDW"

[frigid haven]

Ahhhhh ok

[frank shore]

so is there a video thats canon-lore explained and revealed? so much vids and idk which one is real n true

[cunning light]

The truth is that we do not know for sure yet.

By the end of Rundown 8 (hopefully) we will have all the elements at our disposal to try and piece this all together

[frank shore]

wait wait wait

ur telling me

there will be more RUNDOWNS?!

isnt the final damn boss the big giant ditto?

[cunning light]

That's... Not what I said.

[coral gorge]

Profesor scaler made a decent one recently

but also R8 is said to be the last planned rundown to release

[frank shore]

u lying cheeki breeki u just said at the end of R8, but theres only R7

[frank shore]

hopefully they buff the guns or make it easier goddamn

or nerf the fogs at least idk something, ANYTHING

[coral gorge]

not at all the kraken just kinda exists

[frank shore]

explain urself

wym by that

[coral gorge]

sorry to say but the game is pretty well balanced

[frank shore]

its not the final boss?

[frank shore]

ur shitting me

[coral gorge]

First of all itd not even in an E tier

[frank shore]

E tier? as in what

[coral gorge]

second of all it has no lore behind it

like literally its just a giant infected alien fauna

[frank shore]

u mean ditto

[coral gorge]

its in a D1, not even D4

[frank shore]

the ditto is in D?

not R7?

final mission?

[coral gorge]

By ditto you mean kraken?

WAIT YOU MEAN PABLO

[frank shore]

ditto as in d1ld0

[coral gorge]

no one calls him that

[frank shore]

well i do

and u better damn make sure to respect that

[coral gorge]

point still stands

pablo is just a super old tank

also in terms of timeline R7 is really far back

[frank shore]

so ur telling me, there is no lore till this day, just theories and thats all
ditto isnt the final boss because he/she/it is in D tier whatever that means

whats S tier then

[coral gorge]

he is in E tier

in E1

i thought you meant kraken from R6D1

[frank shore]

R? = E
R?=D

kraken is ditto

ditto is d1ld0

[coral gorge]

What the fuck do you mean

[frank shore]

which rundown is E and D

[coral gorge]

NONE

[frank shore]

there is R1 to R7

[coral gorge]

RUNDOWNS HAVE A TIER MISSIONS

ALL THE WAY TO E TIER

So you have R2A1…etc…R2E1

thats what i mean its in E tier

[frank shore]

so when tf does ditto spawn

[coral gorge]

an E tier level

[frank shore]

starting which R

[coral gorge]

WHICH FUCKIN DITTO

[frank shore]

DITTO IS D1LD0

KRAKEN = DITTO

[coral gorge]

pablo is only in R7E1

[coral gorge]

you dont make sense

[frank shore]

why u talkin bout pablo escobar

final boss, the worm, the kraken is ditto

[coral gorge]

are you asking for ||imortal|| aka pablo or the kraken

fucking decide

[frank shore]

immortal is called pablo?

[coral gorge]

YES

[frank shore]

why not just call him immortal

[coral gorge]

ALWAYS HAS BEEN

[coral gorge]

Cause its spoilers?

it spoils its entire mechanic

[frank shore]

from who please im willing to bet my left nipple im the newest player here

[coral gorge]

You are not

[coral gorge]

do you see how many new people show up in the discord

[coral gorge]

yes i wanna die

thanks

[frank shore]

no

[coral gorge]

fix thy eyes

[grizzled frost]

Then just answer the initial question and move on

No point getting pissed over that

[coral gorge]

i would love to if they said who are they talking about

[frank shore]

yeah no need to be like pablo here

[coral gorge]

cause i still dont know

[frank shore]

im talking about ditto

[coral gorge]

ill fucking end myself

who is ditto

kraken or pablo

[grizzled frost]

Then just wait until he gives a better question rather than going suicidal 🤣

[frank shore]

the final boss

[coral gorge]

…there is no final boss

[grizzled frost]

Also it's likely he's trolling you

[frank shore]

sppits out millions of projectiles and tentacles apparently

[coral gorge]

kraken then

finally

[grizzled frost]

Considering how circular this is

[coral gorge]

god

[frank shore]

he is the final boss tho

[coral gorge]

its not

[frank shore]

wym there is no final boss

he is

its logic

hardest enemy

[coral gorge]

its in D1 which isnt the last level of R6

[coral gorge]

not at all

its easy considering everything

[frank shore]

ok NOW ur just lying

[coral gorge]

has no lore in it

[coral gorge]

ask any experienced player

same answer everytime

[frank shore]

who tf is harder then

pablo?

[coral gorge]

Pmom can be much harder

tanks can be much harder

[frank shore]

the what now?

[coral gorge]

pablo is just annoying

[frank shore]

wtf is pmom

[coral gorge]

several big chargers will be harder than kraken

[burnt wren]

Mother on steroids.

[frank shore]

yeah now i know for sure ur lying

[frank shore]

new monster?

[coral gorge]

artek back me up

[burnt wren]

Hm?

[frank shore]

theres only 2 mothers no?

[burnt wren]

Kraken difficulty?

[frank shore]

or birther

[coral gorge]

tell him kraken is easy

yeah

[cunning light]

It does not matter anyway. There is no need for a single enemy to be a "Boss". The hardest challenge is faced in the hardest expeditions.

[burnt wren]

Much unfortunately, yeah.

You just hide in the corner with a roof somewhere and he can't touch you.

[coral gorge]

wdym

[cunning light]

The Kraken from R6D1 was singular, and out of place. I found it a cool gimmick, but that was it

[burnt wren]

The fliers he spawns deal 90% of the damage by chipping away at you while you're not looking.

[frank shore]

since he cant anwser me can u do it? which R and tier does the d1ld0 spawn

[burnt wren]

Technically his artilery strikes deal a lot of damage, but they're so disgustingly easy to avoid

[frank shore]

oh so R6D1

[coral gorge]

…

[cunning light]

I have no idea what you are talking about.

[grizzled frost]

You do realize he's trolling

Right

[cunning light]

I know

[grizzled frost]

Ditto

[coral gorge]

i hope so

[grizzled frost]

D1ld0

[frank shore]

kraken=ditto

[grizzled frost]

At this point he can't make it anymore obvious

[coral gorge]

If he isnt trolling i will be amazed by his ability to be annoying af

[frank shore]

so ur telling me a giant ass worm who spits out billions of projectiles and hundreds of one eyed flying tentacle that also shoots projectiles at u and has billions of hp is easier to deal with than tank?

[coral gorge]

Yes

[frank shore]

isnt shotgun (few shots at the back) easily kills it?

[grizzled frost]

Bruh

D1ld0

How obvious does he have to make it

🤣

[coral gorge]

Not a few first of all but frankly a badly placed tank will be harder than kraken

R4E1 final room for instance

[frank shore]

badly placed? meaning?

[coral gorge]

||pmom next to tank||

[frank shore]

oh u meant as the position hes in

[coral gorge]

Shows up at a bad time, all of sudden etc

[frank shore]

vulnerable spots at the wall

huh

ok

if u find tanks (killable) annoying how come u dont find pablo annoying?

[coral gorge]

i said pablo is annoying

i hate him

with every cell of my body

[frank shore]

whats the strategy dealing with him then?

[coral gorge]

Wth pablo?

[frank shore]

apparently some ppl claims they killed it idk why its called immortal

[coral gorge]

someone loops him

[frank shore]

like dbd?

[coral gorge]

it takes several hours to kill it

Several hours of dodging attacks and meleeing it

[frank shore]

no way he has that many hp unless all 4 has auto pistol or some pish gun

[coral gorge]

Kinda one person leads him away and walks him in circles

[frank shore]

isnt he more grey-ish than tank?

[frank shore]

oh so its like deebeedee

[coral gorge]

he has a lot of resistance and a lot of health

check his wiki page i think it has it listed

[coral gorge]

he is a tank with more grey and no bubbles on back

[frank shore]

i remember reading it all like 2 weeks ago but not good enough infos

[frank shore]

yeah i remember hes more greyish

[coral gorge]

But overall answering your question as to what is the final boss of GTFO - its just the expeditions as a whole, you could say its R4E1 or R5E1 as a whole but its just that. An entire mission as a whole could be considered the final boss of the game

[frank shore]

doesnt make sense but ok

[cunning light]

It makes total sense once you have played throughout all the Rundowns and Expeditions.

[burnt wren]

Maybe R8 will have something

[coral gorge]

maybe

but even then i dont expect a singular big enemy

Rather something like a super hard alarm

[frank shore]

oof dont get me started on that

R2D2

absolute cancerous

finally managed to beat R2D1 tho

so thats something

[coral gorge]

i like R2D2

its challenging but not bs

[frank shore]

btw recommend me a gun for wave clear? special and main

[frank shore]

it is for me

[coral gorge]

hel revo/carbine and machinegun

[frank shore]

lots of hybrids spawn at the alarm so one must have sniper right?

[frank shore]

which ones that main and special

oh hel revolver i see

i like the semi shotgun, useful for run n shoot the annoying ones but very short ammo like wow

[raw terrace]

what is even this convo and why is it on lore

[coral gorge]

it was lore before

Not sure why we jumped to strats

[frank shore]

still having trouble at r2d2

[cunning light]

Feel free to ask for help / advice under #gtfo-related-questions

[burnt wren]

And going back to "final boss" talk - Kraken so far fits the most just by sheer girth of him and how long it takes to take him down, but he's just not well designed. The R6D1 arena you fight him at provides too much cover and fliers are not much of a threat.
They need to do him again, but this time with less cover and more threats, maybe an occasional giant walking in and providing pressure and forcing you out of cover only to get hit by artillery strikes.

[coral gorge]

Honestly the flyers are the main threat in the kraken fight, if you arent careful you can just get swarmed by 20 of them

but yeah i think the fight needs some ground enemies like strikers maybe even chargers

it would defo add a lot of tention especially if there was less cover

[burnt wren]

They needed to remove the side balcony

[coral gorge]

also i would love to see the kraken projectiles explode in a small area on impact

[burnt wren]

If one guy hides there - kraken focuses on him (due to proximity?) and the damn thing just eats all his attacks, its like a bunker

They just needed to remove either the whole balcony or the roof of it, but that's too much work

[crisp citrus]

They need to make it cooler

The boss is too unlit to be as cool

Also the attacks are all just spitter missiles

[eternal talon]

We will probably see more of them in r8. We saw several in r6c1 after all but only killed one

Also holy shit the off-topic in the chat this morning is insane

[eternal talon]

I think it just needs more mechanics. Right now it functions a fair bit like C'thun from Ahn'qiraj.

Add a second phase beyond popping pimples and it should be good

[willow geyser]

can we not talk about this in #gtfo-lore?

[eternal talon]

Rude. Unlike this morning's 'going in circles', my comment is directly related to the topic at hand

It's not as if some deeply important lore discussion is going on, simply talk about squidward. And I'd love to say more, but I can't because r8 isn't out yet.

[willow geyser]

well i find it rude that #gtfo-lore didnt contain any lore related discussing this morning and that is not a good justification to go off topic

[eternal talon]

I agree however I didn't start the conversation nor am I replying to the person that did.

I'm not sure why you'd @ to complain to me about it

[willow geyser]

you literally did reply... Anyways im not here to argue with you but please for future reference keep to the topic or i might need to call mod mail

[eternal talon]

I replied to;

Artek, the topic of which is seeing more encounters with the boss (which is absolutely lore related)

Crab, talking about the boss' functions, but I literally cannot say more because I know too much (rule 11). I don't think they have more changes planned to it, but with what I know, it is absolutely a possibility.

[willow geyser]

Please stop arguing with me

[eternal talon]

Then stop commenting? I'm simply replying to your statements. This is a public channel and you are equally as free to talk as I am.

Do you think I'd just NOT reply when you bring up reporting to mod mail?

[coral gorge]

Huh i see im not the only one going in circles here today

[eternal talon]

Hm? What do you mean

[willow geyser]

Ive been on this discord longer than you to know that its not free to talk about anything in this channel, apparently they made a whole another chat for other theories due to someone complaining so dont act like you know what youre talking about.

Like i said im just here to let you know that we should keep to the topic without this getting out of hand and getting mod mail involved.

[coral gorge]

that argument seems to be goiny in circles

[crisp citrus]

U people needa chill

[burnt wren]

(he's trolling)

[coral gorge]

so did mine

[crisp citrus]

Anyway

I have a lore topic

[burnt wren]

Clown readings off the charts tonight

[crisp citrus]

How many reactors are in the base

[coral gorge]

A lot

[crisp citrus]

Like we see tons of them but they're all built differently

Also they are like

[burnt wren]

There seems to be at least 1 per rundown... Or actually 2.

[crisp citrus]

Literally just out in the open

[burnt wren]

So that's about 14 already

[crisp citrus]

They are just sitting in the open though

[coral gorge]

we do see a couple returning designes

[crisp citrus]

What's up with that

[eternal talon]

1)you aren't a moderator.
2)seniority my ass. I've been playing gtfo since OGR1 and was on the discord at that time.
3)and that chat got instantly removed because of memers abusing it.

[crisp citrus]

Ur caring too much about some random person

Talk about lore

[burnt wren]

That's just normal, unfortunately

[eternal talon]

Oh absolutely.

[coral gorge]

I think level architecture kinda doesnt make sense lore wise

[willow geyser]

I agree with you

[crisp citrus]

Then talk lore

[crisp citrus]

That's fair

Levels be built like a labyrinth

[burnt wren]

Not only it doesn't make sense, but we can pretty much just go "its a game mechanic" and just decanonise facility structure.

[crisp citrus]

Imagine the struggle of trying to go from your dorm to your work area

[coral gorge]

lol

garganta maps moment

[crisp citrus]

Another thing though is our suits

[burnt wren]

No toilets, no kitches, zones are connected in the silliest of ways... Its just not real.

[crisp citrus]

Some of the masks leave parts of the head exposed

Isn't that counterproductive for protection

[coral gorge]

”at the crossway turn right, hug the left wall to avoid toxic fog and turn left in 100 meters”

[eternal talon]

Staircases into walls etc

[coral gorge]

Probably is

but its probably also just a game mechanic again

[crisp citrus]

Man what the hel

[eternal talon]

Hybrid electro thermal gas gun

[coral gorge]

Yeah there is a lot of „game mechanic” bs in the game

[eternal talon]

It's an irl thing too iirc

[burnt wren]

I swear to fucking god if they'll attempt to canonise facility layout in R8 with some silly log complaining about bad architecture

[coral gorge]

speaking of which is there an irl HEL gun?

[coral gorge]

oh lol

[crisp citrus]

I looked it up once

The ones we use are like

[eternal talon]

I don't know enough to say, I've only briefly been to the Wikipedia article

[crisp citrus]

Slightly different I think

[eternal talon]

Significantly smaller

[coral gorge]

the amount of reasons to throw the 10c writers off the tallest building in sweden might grow

[crisp citrus]

Over here

[eternal talon]

Pic on the wiki is like a cannon, isn't it?

[coral gorge]

thats big

[crisp citrus]

Here too

[coral gorge]

yeah its like straight up cannon sized

[crisp citrus]

There's the ones that use a rupture disk thing and ones that use just a gas propellant

I'm pretty sure we use the combustion ones in game

Combustion light-gas gun

[eternal talon]

Well, to be fair its from the 2050s so quite some time has passed (2060s gameplay)

[pine agate]

Not a HEL gun per se, but there is a light gas gun. It isn't a weapon, it's basically a system that uses light and gas to propulse a projectile at such a high speed that it overpenetrates certain materials. It's basically a bullet that goes insanely fast which causes the overpen

[crisp citrus]

The hybrid one seems like it requires a rupture disk to help build pressure before it breaks and releases it

So HEL should be renamed to CLG

[pine agate]

Yee

[eternal talon]

Abso-fucking-loutley. Though, not much of a difference it'd make. The parasites can break through SCBA III hazmat suits which is about as full body protection as you can get

[crisp citrus]

This is true

I would assume the parasites are microscopic though

[eternal talon]

They aren't. Their eggs are like tennis ball sized

[crisp citrus]

Since I think theres a lot mentioning how they don't know how the parasites keep getting in

[crisp citrus]

Maybe the eggs have a bunch in them instead of just one?

Idk we never even see parasites

[eternal talon]

Each body/corpse has hundreds of eggs too

[crisp citrus]

It is truly odd

[eternal talon]

Unless you count the worms in the artifacts, yeah

But we don't know if those are parasites or not. Completely unexplained

We DO know they attack potential hosts in swarms, though.

[crisp citrus]

Truly a gtfo lore moment

There's SOMETHING going on and doing things but we never actually are given a good explanation

[eternal talon]

Question is -- is it a swarm of locusts or halo infection forms

[crisp citrus]

Maybe it's like

In the air

Maybe it's a bunch of tiny flies or something

[eternal talon]

I should mention we did disprove infection and infection fog being nam-v a while ago because of the 💉

[crisp citrus]

The eggs could be more like a spider egg pouch

Full of tiny parasites

[eternal talon]

They are glassy, hard, and show nothing on thermals.

I have a picture somewhere, but I'm not on my PC atm.

[crisp citrus]

I am sure the thermals are not logically accurate

[eternal talon]

Idk... they weirdly light up for scene decal like machines, even some plants

[crisp citrus]

I consider them a gameplay feature only because if thermals were "accurate" then sleepers giving off heat would break the laws of physics

Able to remain in hibernation forever, but emit large amounts of heat at all times

[eternal talon]

We don't really know why or how they can live for eternity, but if we have dimensions where time and space work fundamentally differently, I think the law of conservation of matter being different relative only for them isn't too much of a stretch

[crisp citrus]

Then the complex should be incredibly warm

Several years of the sleepers constantly outputting body temp level heat

I get what your point is but I'm sure thermals are more of a gameplay feature than a lore accurate one

[eternal talon]

The complex is also incredibly big and the overwhelming majority of it is sealed log a clogged chimney with security doors and collapsed segments.

Most of the sleepers are still over 4k meters down in the inner

[crisp citrus]

It being sealed only makes it stranger for rooms to not trap heat

But I'm just assuming the thermals don't work on the eggs cause they were forgotten/mistake

[eternal talon]

What about the holes from the blast that go all the way up from the inner? Could vent some

[crisp citrus]

True, but most rooms are sealed behind multiple doors

Security doors especially

[eternal talon]

(Oh probably. It's very likely we are overthinking this)

[crisp citrus]

Yea

Idk thermals being 100% accurate in lore would be too wild for me

I can get behind alien parasite disease

[eternal talon]

Bacon baby sleeper plushie

Maybe the heat is cooking them alive lmao

[crisp citrus]

Real

I mean think about it

If they produce heat and then emit it for the thermals to catch

They are quite literally infinitely producing energy

Sleepers are the true final form of green energy

[eternal talon]

And I think, another thing that's a bitch is that we know they still do use resources, calories, and stuff because they are confirmed to not be zombies. The hosts are still alive

Most chambers would be c02 death traps

Even the gardens aren't recycling that much of the air

And also because of that and the nonfunctional ventilation systems... how are they breathing?

[crisp citrus]

Off topic not really but kinda

I just got this ad

They are genuinely watching me what the hell

[eternal talon]

Like yeah they don't die from age but a bullet kills them just fine... but how are they keeping the host bodies alive?

[crisp citrus]

Yea the sleepers being able to sleep forever thing breaks so much

It would make sense if sleepers didn't work on thermals

And would be better if we didn't have thermals but had night vision instead

[eternal talon]

Zombies would be unironically simpler as they wouldn't need most of that

[crisp citrus]

Yea

I feel like zombies subtracts a bit from the vibe of the game though

Since it's sort of like weird sci-fi somewhatish realistic

[eternal talon]

Oh yeah 100%. Get taken or infected, live forever in agony as a parasite mutates, contorts and puppets your body

[crisp citrus]

But the generic zombie that just kinda ignores physics is diff

But yea

Logically speaking and in terms of lore

The eggs prob didn't register on thermal cause they forgot

[eternal talon]

Zombies isn't assss nightmare-fuelish since the suffering would end once they got you

[crisp citrus]

My personal guess is the eggs work like spider egg sacs and release swarms of parasites

And they don't eat their way in, but are able to squeeze through gaps too easily

[eternal talon]

(Unless you are talking some Return of The Living Dead style zombies where they are still conscious and intelligent)

[crisp citrus]

Literally though why GTFO setting is cool

[eternal talon]

You know, it's surprising there isn't a sleeper variant using the host's voice to try and trick us

[crisp citrus]

I also think this explains why we the players don't have a parasite

[crisp citrus]

That'd be cool but gameplay wise they probably realized it'd be too obvious

[eternal talon]

I mean yeah but we are talking lore here

[crisp citrus]

Because the HSU can kill it like it was bacteria or something

[eternal talon]

Like a left for dead witch

[crisp citrus]

Maybe the parasite has to live in the throat area

Like no choice it eats your vocal cords

[eternal talon]

I know that's how the... um... fuck what was it

The husks, in barotrauma work

[crisp citrus]

The barotrauma husk?

Yea

Literally

[eternal talon]

Yeah

[crisp citrus]

We need parasite info

Ten chambres why can't you give us concrete info please im begging you

[eternal talon]

The church does have symbiotic variants that let you talk, but this is waaaaaaay off topic now. Gtfo parasites not Barotrauma ones

[eternal talon]

We do have some info from alt//r3 I'm not sure if you read it, I posted yesterday, about several of the recorded subspecies

But in terms of like what it looks like or how it works we aren't sure

[lilac island]

who the hell is loutley

[eternal talon]

absolutely

[daring drum]

No info about parasites whatsoever then?

[frail vessel]

Hey, can someone explain where do we go after MWP issue in r6ax? I thought we teleport to some distant alien planet in prev r6 levels, but here we could see basic facility doors and sleepers as well

[burnt wren]

It's the same planet. The implication is that the expedition that got stranded there got stranded for so long - they managed to build an infrastructure out of sheer boredom (and supplies they sent prior).

But who knows, Inb4 some game changing R8 reveal.

[raw terrace]

the same planet as in the same alien distant planet

[eternal talon]

Its important to note how they were able to do this. Time flows 85x slower on destination, so relative to earth, they has been there for almost four hundred years

[eternal talon]

We have some, just not a lot.

[daring drum]

Wait wtf

So that's why it takes so long for warden to take us out?

And what does it mean?

400 hundred years on earth is a 50 on destination?

I dont get it

[coral gorge]

yeah smth along these lines

[burnt wren]

Backwards.

[eternal talon]

Other way. For example, during the ef01 mission, bishop left earth for ~2 weeks iirc, but he was on destination for years

When he returned, only those two or so weeks had passed, but he had aged and experienced those full years.

[burnt wren]

In ~1-2 years at the facility - the lost expedition spent like half a century on the planet, which kinda explains where they got the time to build infrastructure.

[eternal talon]

The multiverse is funky. I can't explain it much better than that

[burnt wren]

Except we don't know how big the expedition was...

[daring drum]

So it means

[eternal talon]

We also don't know if they sent more after ef01

[daring drum]

If we are on destination for 5 minutes when we take data cores, matter wave etc

[eternal talon]

They do have a lot of alpha outposts there though

[daring drum]

Wrdn teleports you back instantly?

Its a delay?

[eternal talon]

We are doing a mission. We jump. We are gone for 5 minutes. Warden is waiting for DAYS for us to come back. We come back in the case of r7e1

It's a bit fucky and confusing

[daring drum]

Damn whaaat

[burnt wren]

Writers trying be consistent challenge (impossible)

[daring drum]

But you said 2 years on dest is 2 weeks on earth

[eternal talon]

Or maybe in the case of e1 we just instantly jump there and back from the wardens perspective?

[daring drum]

So 5 minutes on dest would be a few seconds on earth

Doesnt make sense now

[burnt wren]

Right yeah.

That makes sense.

[eternal talon]

We know it's 85x1 for a fact from a stokes log. I'm just trying to understand it and put it in a picture myself

[daring drum]

Damn

I just think that when we disappear wrdn immidieatly tries to take us back

[eternal talon]

Assuming this then though, raises questions about the immortal(s?) In that level. The one from the first jump wouldn't have time to wander off by the time we jump back but it does

[burnt wren]

Game mechanics be gaming

[harsh pike]

there's a chance it got pulled with us. Doesn't an immortal attack while the group is in alpha?

[main citrus]

Immortal probably found his own matter wave then did a class 4 alarm and plugged it in

[queen gazelle]

Immortal used infinite ammo choke mod to do the class 4

[gilded vine]

Immortal had to listen to schaeffer and hendrikson and is in on the plan

[loud urchin]

Wtf my immortal didn't do any of that shit

Ill need to get a new tank_boss one of these days

[royal crow]

i love how lore chat always goes from serious lore conversation to casual shitposting

its amazing

[crisp citrus]

there is so much room for guessing that it is inevitable

genuinely a possibility that the immortal regained sense of self and helped schaeffer accomplish tasks

how? the fabled third syringe containing a failed attempt at a cure!

[eternal talon]

it really shouldn't tbh. There was a massive ban wave recently because of this.

[crisp citrus]

we keep it serious enough

most of the shitpost is interspersed jokes within real discussion

[burnt wren]

That is what happens when people are effectively deprived of lore though. This channel serves no real function after a week of fresh rundown release since that is how much it takes to uncover new logs and extract relevant information from them.
After that it's just running in circles of discussing things we already know with new people.

[crisp citrus]

Idk I try to be creative

But I see your point

There isn't really much to discuss after a period of time solely because we discussed everything new that was concrete

And then it's just guesses we have but those are either unprovable, already known, or outright disproven but only sort of because of inconsistencies

[storm flame]

thats the point of making an interesting story though, people talk about it past what is provided, joke about it and make new branching content/concepts. Not allowing that is just shooting yourself in the foot and cripping your community imo.

[crisp citrus]

i think the ban wave was more cause of like

constant shitpost preventing people having actual discussion

than the interspersed meme statemennt

[burnt wren]

The ban wave was specifically aimed at the monke clan, who for all intents and purposes were malicious and their entire existence was to just annoy lore enthusiasts in general and Frosty specifically.

[lilac island]

this is the problem

apart from explaining the lore to newcommers (which isn't that necessary cause of the txt) the only other use for this channel is just

"So X event really happened huh. "
"Yeah. Crazy. "

Or 2 lore enthusiasts debating something

[burnt wren]

It is what it is

[lilac island]

i still feel like there is no non-dev human that can grasp the entirety of the lore

everyone does the fucky wucky and makes mistakes about the lore

[burnt wren]

Hell, half of the speculations are useless because we don't have enough info and R8 is around the corner

[lilac island]

that too

we'll get answers anyway

some people already have them

this channel has image perms and no cooldown so it's the unofficial meme channel

you just need to be careful

and connect them to the conversation

like even frosty didn't know about syringes being connected to infection which confirms namv isn't infection

and cho didn't know about the tunnels 4000m deep

even though they're 2 of the most lore savvy people ever

there is too much lore

but not enough actual answers

[coral gorge]

btw does anyone know if there is anything behind that one door in Alpha 3 in AX? The one in a cave

[eternal talon]

i dont remember... i know i checked at one point, they are mostly Unity orange walls/floors

[eternal talon]

this is unironically probably the memey-ist? thing i've made.

and i'm honestly quite proud of how it turned out.

[lilac island]

Presumably a research outpost filled with scientists and maybe some KSOs considering the amount of sleepers that come out

It's what I think would make sense

Lore-wise anyway

[coral gorge]

I mean thats what would be there if it was to make sense

i wonder what did the devs actually put there

[lilac island]

Nothing cuz we wouldn't really be able to see in normal gameplay

:P

[lilac island]

I dreamt that i was solo holding r1c1

[loud urchin]

How did it go? Sounds kinda like something that'd happen to woods

Premonition of solo holding a reactor before he drops in to the mission alone

[lilac island]

i was basically just the doom slayer

also my hel revo for some reason two shot sleepers on the chest and i was going nuts with it

[coral gorge]

thats... an oddly specific dream

guess GTFO irl edition has launched sooner than expected

[lilac island]

i dream about the most random shit imaginable, i haven't even opened the game in weeks

i remember also getting nasty collaterals with the hel rifle

like 2-3 with each shot minimum

it felt pretty good ngl

Having actual ALT memories from other universes in real life

[crisp citrus]

I was once lying in bed trying to sleep

But I kept hearing the fog propeller sound

I'm pretty sure I was also sick and had a fever and was having auditory hallucinations

[lilac island]

Welcome to state of truth fm

[crisp citrus]

so real

and they tell me nam-v isnt real

[final sentinel]

State of Truth is my favorite GTFO log type tbh, hope we get more logs from them in R8

[lilac island]

Pretty sure alt state of truth guy is living alone in the middle of nowhere

Had to kill his wife who was with him cuz she got infected

[final sentinel]

honestly I could see him still being alive

Isolationist guy in the middle of nowhere

[lilac island]

Maybe

audio logs >>>>>>>>>>>>>

[eternal talon]

we don't actually know for a fact she was. Its equally possible Mr. Truth himself was infected -- Mental disturbances is one of the first major symptoms of NAM-V infection

not to mention the bleeding memories from different worldlines, it's quite possible he mistook her for an impostor

[lilac island]

Aren't the bleeding memories just from warden merging og worldline with alts?

[eternal talon]

given they only appear in alt// to my knowledge, it's probable that they were caused by the merging of our original worldline and that of alt//'s, but like many things, we cannot say for certain.

[lilac island]

If that were the case then I don't think he would think she's an imposter as the parasite didn't get out in og worldline

[eternal talon]

We do know Truth also experienced them, along with a majority of Santonean staff.

[eternal talon]

right, i'm not saying that. I'm simply saying as per the symptoms of nam-v, and the mixed memories, he himself could have gone mad and killed her.

[lilac island]

mr truth probably simply went insane

paranoia was the killer

he said they replaced her with an exact replica of her

which doesn't happen

[eternal talon]

symptoms progress as follows:
Starting with minor flu-like symptoms, progressing to:
**HAEMOPTYSIS, MUSCULAR SPASMS, FROTHING AT THE MOUTH, VIOLENT BEHAVIOUR, EXTREME LETHARGY OR DROWSINESS, DEPRESSION AND VOMITING **, then progressing to:
**Whitening of the skin, Inflammation of the cheeks, neck lips and extremities (fingers, toes), Spinal pain or shocks, Susceptibility to bruising or broken bones, Accelerated breathing/panting, Blood in the sputum **,and then finally killing the host.