gtfo-lore

[burnt wren]

There's something offputinng about being hundreds of meters underground with monsters and reading about mars expeditions.

[eternal talon]

First the ship drifted from its programmed orbit, something that could only happen if the navigation system failed, or by human intervention. Next, the communication relays stopped sending telemetry to Kourou, again either by catastrophic failure, or someone pulled the plug. At 11:57 UTC, the primary propulsion engines were ignited, and the ship started it’s final, fatal journey.

Either three critical systems failed simultaneously or the crew went stir crazy

The log says everything was set on auto. Without intervention it would have gone just fine

[burnt wren]

The way I read it - they forgot why they were there and how to control the ship, so they panicked and tried to do something, with predictable results.

[eternal talon]

I just don't see how the could have gotten the plant juice administered in that situation. They are far from anybody else and on their own isolated system (ship)

Biocom does it because it is always around and watching. It doesn't go to sleep, but helps you wake up

[burnt wren]

Presumably same way Warden administers some to us. There has to be some sort of automated system for it.

[eternal talon]

Nothing as a part of the units themselves, if it were automated then Maddox wouldn't have died. Lemme go find the log

[burnt wren]

Yeah yeah, but

We are still alive.

So unless Warden got some hostages upstairs feeding us flowers...

[eternal talon]

The solution is automatically administered by the D.I. controller
prior to the reanimation procedure. However, should the HSU be isolated
from a capable interface, the solution must be administered manually.

^ schaeffer reads this word for word from the manual

[burnt wren]

It's not hard to assume same tech is at play here, if it exists.

Yeah, so it's confirmed. They have the automated interface.

It's easy to assume for me that they installed it on the ship.

[eternal talon]

What does "d.i. controller" mean

[burnt wren]

Digital Interface? Dose Injection?

[eternal talon]

You'd assume maddox' container was plugged in to a wall otherwise it would have gone dead long ago

It's gotta be something more

And he needs to do it again for henrikkson, since he sends us to get the thing

[lilac island]

Please anything but my brian

[polar pulsar]

It should be automated, since we wake up from Hydrostasis at the start of every expedition

[crisp citrus]

Maybe Schaeffer made an automatic juicer so he could go into the HSU once in a while for a full body cleanse

[polar pulsar]

What if. Hear me out. Schaeffer we know is not the real one, but a mimic that copied him and thus is immune to the virus. -puts on tin foil hat-

(joke theory)

[burnt wren]

That would be out of the ass.

Far more likely that he's just from a different membrane

But we won't know until R8

[lilac island]

The theory that the entire lore is a psyop is starting to make sense

[polar pulsar]

i know.

But it might be that the mimics are being created as a template that we can copy ourselves onto. 🤔

like in the chappy movie but biological

[burnt wren]

Mimics are shit

[polar pulsar]

since they're immune and all, it would "save humanity" in a sense

[burnt wren]

They melt very quickly

And can barely speak

[polar pulsar]

hmm...

Has anyone confirmed exactly what the neonate that we grew in R7D1 "mother" is currently?

[crisp citrus]

I don't think he's immune

Just using HSUs once in a while

[coral gorge]

its a unit/specimen/mimic

the same type of a thing that schafer encounters

although its hard to tell if it reached that state

its possible it is either still growing OR got straight up erased from existence during the timeline merging or some shit like that

[polar pulsar]

hmm...

[burnt wren]

We never came around to finishing it, i think.

Kinda got sidetracked by Schaeffer.

Best case scenario - we'll see it in R8.

[polar pulsar]

well, we do see it grow from small to adult if you wait long enough

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1825662996845752681/52335FE97DEBD8280D06AFE0278A409D3E41DEFD/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false

[coral gorge]

wait you can actually see it in there?!

i guess im blind

and also if so, it seems like we dont have to do anything with it any longer

since it should be "operational" when it gets out of there

[polar pulsar]

nah, the glass is just ultra foggy and you need to wait like 5 minutes

you see it become bigger. looks freaky in the process

[coral gorge]

i forget, is there any error alarm active at that time if you do just main?

or does the preparation one shut down after you finish it

[burnt wren]

I don't think there is one, minus overload.

[coral gorge]

funky snatcher error go brrrrrrrrr

[polar pulsar]

lmao

kidnapper

on that level specifically

[coral gorge]

top 5 reasons why i will never do R7D1s overload:
nr 5 - snatcher error
nr 4 - snatcher error
nr 3 - snatcher error
nr 2 - snatcher error
nr 1 - snatcher error... and also scout bug

[eternal talon]

What about 12 fps memory leak?

I've seriously only ever played that mission once.

Never again

[coral gorge]

frosty

i play with stable 20 fps

on R7D1

20 fps is still 20 fps

[raw terrace]

have u tried turnin it off and on again

[celest pagoda]

Schaeffer sure did

[lilac island]

What is this

[coral gorge]

R7D1

[lilac island]

Why does it grow

That's gross

[coral gorge]

well

its a neonate

=)

[burnt wren]

Welcome to program RISE

Artificially grown soldiers. With an extra growth speed.

[lilac island]

Uncomfortable

[burnt wren]

They were meant to replace us, before world got coof'd

Never finalised the design

[lilac island]

Wonder how ethical that is

[burnt wren]

Depends

[coral gorge]

i do wonder how long it would have taken the scientists to figure out how to have them not have the mindset of children

[burnt wren]

Are you a scientist?

[coral gorge]

does anyone care about that in the complex tho?

[lilac island]

No

[coral gorge]

and thats the fun part

[lilac island]

And no

[burnt wren]

Then not at all.

[coral gorge]

i mean atleast its not testing on humans

unlike the other experiments

[lilac island]

They are Human

[coral gorge]

eeeeeeeeeeeeehhhh

[burnt wren]

No father, no mother, just cells free for brainwashing.

[lilac island]

What are the neonates tube babies

[coral gorge]

thats actually a good question, what is the neonate

is it just an artifically grown human fetus

[lilac island]

I guess it must be

There's no way any woman would give her baby

To that

[coral gorge]

for some reason i always thought it was sleeper in origin

but also the neonate clearly has mechanical... attachments? parts?

im still curious how the fuck do you turn a child into a data stick

i wanna do that too

the basement is getting crowded

i mean what

[lilac island]

What

Pterodactyl

[plush nest]

Shockingly I can get 40-60 fps on that level

Still never doing it again though

[eternal talon]

@wicked fern have a read of the "for dummies" document in the pins of this channel. It is a general summary of all pre-apocalypse lore collected by myself and many other members of the community here.

• it also contains information pertaining to your sleepers and virus/parasite question in #gtfo-related-questions

[minor marten]

So why are ppl in the Alt universe remembering false dates and stuff they know to be wrong exactly ?

[eternal talon]

Technically none of them are "false". Everything has happened, will happen, and is happening in different worldlines

In the case of alt//, it explained as happening because of the merging of our original worldline and that of whatever once was alt//s

Though it is important to note that this is not always the case

Physiological disturbances is one of the key symptoms of NAM-V Infection.

[daring drum]

How does prisoners not die from nam-V. Does HSU initially kills someone inside and then resuscitates them upon opening? How does it work?

[coral gorge]

yeah the HSUs kill the vrius

however the moment we exit them we get reinfected

[daring drum]

I mean gas masks should work, no? Not talking about other liquids you encounter on a mission

And how did Shaeffer survived for so long with infection?

[coral gorge]

our gas masks apear to be trash, besides we would get infected via wounds and such

[coral gorge]

No one knows

[daring drum]

Yeah that's the liquids part

[coral gorge]

aka plot hole

[daring drum]

Gas masks should at least protect from airborne otherwise why we need it

[coral gorge]

i mean

the masks are like a decade old

so their filters prolly are worthless

[daring drum]

Btw wrdn at the end of rundown 5 has entire KDS deep in his disposal right?

How much operatives actually are in complex i wonder

[coral gorge]

yup in R5E1 we grant the warden access to KDS deep

[coral gorge]

i would guess a couple hundred looking at kds deep itself

maybe half a thousand total

[daring drum]

Wrdn can override and control biocom

[coral gorge]

yup

[daring drum]

Then why he can't always open doors?

Like in some missions

I know it's game mechanics

[coral gorge]

Manual lockdowns im guessing

things biocom cant control

[daring drum]

Well biocom did lockdown facility upon breakdown

[coral gorge]

or biocom is resisting

[daring drum]

But wrdn has almost full control over it

[coral gorge]

actually i think that was the warden but im not sure

[daring drum]

Except times when security system of bio actually works lol

[coral gorge]

biocom has been trying to erase the warden but the warden keeps resetting it

So there are defo things warden doesnt have control over

[daring drum]

Yeah, makes sense

In Reactor shutdown missions it seems like wrdn overriding biocom triggers the alarm

[coral gorge]

yeah

the warden fucks smth up

also im pretty sure the warden cant control ventilation systems

[daring drum]

Well the fog is fucking everywhere and almost every mission has a secondary to enable vents one way or another

[past matrix]

keep in mind there have been times that the Warden has fucked up the security system

the alarm in r2c2 was caused because of it triggering an alarm in r2b3 iirc

and then it couldn't shut it down

[crisp citrus]

@native shell you just gonna let them insult you like this?

[daring drum]

Wait for real?

I didn't notice it lol

[coral gorge]

...what was R2B3 about

i completely dont remember that level

[daring drum]

Uplink terminal

I just looked it up

[lilac island]

Where do y'all think the Prisoners get their robotic limbs from? We see many cosmetic options with prosthetic hands and legs, but I find it unlikely that the Warden, or whoever is in charge of them, would be willing to invest into something like that for individuals they consider so expendable.

[raw terrace]

think apparel isnt canon, they just have the clothes they appear with in the promotionals

which is none with robotic limbs

but if i where to make em canon my guess its they are incredibly rudimentary limb parts

like just trash connected by cables lol

[lilac island]

Makes sense. I like your theory, though.

[raw terrace]

yeh the guns are like cheaper, the melee is taken from mines and security forces, we go down half empty just to see if we make it
im guessin limbs are just as cheap ksks

[normal abyss]

Alt Maddox is alive

Teams up with not shauffer

My theory of the week

[coral gorge]

wouldnt it be funny if ALT schafer fucked up waking ALT henrikson and actually woke up maddox correctly

[normal abyss]

Yes

[cunning light]

What was Maddox field of expertise ?

Mechanic ?

[raw terrace]

hackering, engineering

ah maddox

my dumbass qwq

[cunning light]

That's Henrikson

[raw terrace]

yeah think so, mechanic

[plush nest]

Maddox was supposed to make us weapons i think

[coral gorge]

yeah

[crisp citrus]

didnt he make burst cannon or something

[raw terrace]

maddox? idk how would he

think he just got out the hsu and then died

burst cannon was made by techman, who also did the machineguns

[minor marten]

Ah gotchu, so has merging our OG worldline with whatever Alt//s was before the merge created a third worldline that we play in the Alt// rundowns, or did the merge just turn whatever Alt// was before the merge into what it is now and mess around with a bunch of details ?

[eternal talon]

into what it is now and mess around with a bunch of details

though given we have no information about alt// prior to alt//, we dont know 100% for a fact.

[solar nova]

No, but this is the in-canon reason why we aren't allowed to change the DMR sight.

[crisp citrus]

the guy who woulda died

so we now cannot take the sight off it

despite it being on a rail

[solar nova]

We do not have the requisite weaponsmithing skill to remove the sight and put a different one on.

[plush nest]

Don’t they just slide off after removing a screw or two?

[harsh pike]

yes that is how picatinny rails work

too hard for prisoner ;(

[plush nest]

Too complicated

[crisp citrus]

I was just thinking they'd slam it against something hard and break it off

Iron sights are better then dmr scope

[burnt wren]

they literally just need to find a wet hankerchief and wipe the glass, that's it

[raw terrace]

u know in a place full of monsters and leaks idk if theres a clean one

[burnt wren]

i'm sure you can find some wet wipes in one of the labs' tileset tables

Actually, this reminds me...

There doesn't appear to be water in this game, is there?

Like, full blown flooded floors or something

[raw terrace]

in floodways theres a couple tiles with water, specially r6bx [aka cx in the past]

the tile with the terminal in the center

like the main lobby

that one is completely flooded,

theres a bridge above it

[burnt wren]

Hm. I don't think i've ever looked down. Nor can we go down.

[raw terrace]

no but u can see it movin and reflect
tho if u, shoot it it, sounds like dirt lol

same for all the flooways tiles that have slightly like watered floors and flooded areas

they have effect and u can see its water but the noise of the footsteps and the bullets just hit like dirt

[burnt wren]

Unfortunate

Well... They got on last chance.

[plush nest]

what are the thoughts on scalers lore vid?

also i dont know if this is possible but i just kinda wanted to throw this idea out there. would there be a membrane that is immune to nam-v and the parasite?

[harsh pike]

i mean with literally infinite universes, yes

thats why infinite universes are stupid

[eternal talon]

Pretty good but fumbles in regards to the connection between alt// and OG.

[plush nest]

how so?

[eternal talon]

Well, in scaler's vid, he says we play as different versions of the same squad between OG and ALT and that the two stories will come together in r8. This isn't true.

We find the corpses of bishop and dauda in alt//r6cx, not to mention the secret alt//r1d1 morse code which implies it is our original worldline schaeffer trying to get our attention

The devs also said themselves prior to alt//'s release that it would be a continuation of our characters' story, not a different version of them's.

Canonically, the rundowns go OGr1-r7, jump to alt, ALT//r1-r6, then r8, whatever that will end up being.

If you'd like pictures and the relevant morse I would be happy to post or link you to them.

-- I should mention, alt//'s EF01 team (stokes) ended up finding bishop's mask at the launch platform, but it was not their bishop's. We don't know if it belongs to our bishop, or another worldline's bishop however

[quick grove]

huh

[eternal talon]

Hm?

[crisp citrus]

lol

vaati vidya energy

[storm flame]

where are the corpses located exactly, did the run but i never stumbled upon them?

[eternal talon]

right next to the end of the main objective.

[fresh gyro]

dauda is not having a fun time

[storm flame]

what does confirm its them and not some other soldier from legion?

[eternal talon]

the equipment they are wearing is the same generics as the characters (bots ofc), and the masks are the recolors labeled "bishop's mask", "dauda's mask"

im not sure what the general equipment shader is set to. -- its not one i recognize that is player accessible

[coarse canyon]

That's the thing with time/dimension travel, once you have two bishops, you could have infinite bishops

[storm flame]

datamining?

pretty weird that they died there and theres no mention of it either by the characters or any logs

[raw terrace]

no, the masks in the game with those colors are named like that, and those are the ones that they have
sames as the clothes, its the ones that appear with the bots

[no to the dataminig thing, those images are just a free form camera i think]

[storm flame]

Oh aight, i suppose they died at some point, but still have my doubts

[toxic wagon]

Me wondering how Dauda's body is stuck like that considering the upper torso is heavier.

[fresh gyro]

physics? whats that

[toxic wagon]

I wouldn't be surprised if Woods went on a another religious cleansing

[raw terrace]

rocks in the boots

[eternal talon]

There is one log that ALT//schaeffer made prior to hydrostasis that describes a scene remarkably similar to this one, but we cannot confirm or deny it is what happened here

[storm flame]

yeah i remember that

[cunning light]

If anything, it is very suspicious that the only mention of the scene is found in Alt://R6C2, and only says "mercenaries" :

Then a quad of mercenaries came through a security door and before the creatures attacked them, this human - clone; I think - reached a hand out to them.
Then the creatures attacked the mercenaries, and by the time the chaos was over, the clone was dead and so were two of the mercenaries.

One mission later, in Alt://R6D1, we find an audio log left by Schaeffer explicitly for Bishop, Woods, Hackett and Dauda :

SCHAEFFER
This is a message for the operatives Bishop, Woods, Hackett and Dauda. My name is John Schaeffer. It's possible we've talked before, or at least you think we have.
I know you want out and so do I but outside of this place, it's all gone. There is nothing left.

My own interpretation is that these bodies are not those of Alt:// Bishop and Dauda, but other KSOs. Maybe they only have a limited amount of full character models ?

[coral gorge]

i always assumed that in D1 he actually learned of our team

after meeting the unit

so in C2 he just calls the ALT team "mercenaries" cause he didnt know they were anyone special

and tbf - the ALT team did not seem to be special anyway (considering 2 of them died so easily)

[raw terrace]

i don't think they have a limited amount of character models considering the amount of apparel models they have

just doesn't make sense

at least they would've changed the masks

[coral gorge]

yeah

id think so too

[raw terrace]

otherwise why create so much confusion with a player base that really goes in deep with this stuff

[burnt wren]

Well, either they chipped out or Schaff was specificaly talking to the new 4.

Also i JUST realised why they moved the X levels down!

[coral gorge]

…OH

CAUSE UNIT

[burnt wren]

The events are now different chronologically

In OG - he threatens to do something about the mimic in D1 and then kills it in DX.
In ALT - he talks to mimic in (now) CX and then relays infromation to us in D1.

We always kinda assumed that levels take events chronologically, and i guess devs got the same idea. Otherwise we would get confused by dialogue being out of order.
...
But then they also could just... Swap monologues between the levels. Have it to talk to mimic in D1 then talk to us in DX afterwards.
Now i have to wonder if the idea to move levels down the tiers came first, or came around as the result of deciding to swap events.

[cunning light]

They have made quite a few apparel models. Character models, not so many.

Apart from the very weird ones in green underwears in R4D2

The Unit / Conduit

And the good old 4 characters

There are simply no other (still roughly intact) human bodies in the Complex that we come across

[raw terrace]

i mean but like, apparels, are parts of character models
all it would take its take bishi slap the clothes on him from the models that appear in 3rd view in a match and, thats it
at least a recolor or somethin idk

it just sounds weird they would, let somethin so huge just be a 'sorry we didnt had anything else'

like its supposed to be, a twists, its at the last room of dx its in the same room u expected the corpse to be, one of eme like u even encounter face on, its the first thing u see

[storm flame]

Yeah its also common for games to reuse assets. we never see other ksos in the game and it would make no sense to work through all the concept art - modeling - retopo and texturing for 1 thing that players will barely pay attention to. I would not discard that it is indeed them or clones from project rise in another dimension (that would be whacky)

[burnt wren]

They literally could just... Put different cosmetics on them.

[cunning light]

That would have been great

[burnt wren]

They have entire sets of armor, with pieces combining into one proper suit.

It can't be that hard to rig the thing

If they did this just because they didn't want to rig some sets - that's some next level lazyness

[cunning light]

As it stands, it is just too confusing. If there were a log mentioning the name of the "dead mercenaries", it would simplify it

[storm flame]

like any of the skins we use? it would still have the same effect, and were a product by a company, ofc we would be dressed similarly to other soldiers

its cost efficient

[burnt wren]

Not that

Our guys have canonical suits, on top of a proper human model

Now okay: they don't have other human models. I can accept that.

Why did they chose the 2 literal worst candidates?

You can clearly see its Dauda and Bishop. In their original sets, just different colours. They have the worst masks too - that expose their entie face.

[storm flame]

and one of them is clearly african yeah

[burnt wren]

No one even knows what Woods looks like properly.

You could just use 2 Woods' and put the most face-covering sets on them. Maybe go an extra mile and tint the glass parts to hide the face for good.

They had options. They used none. So i can only assume showing us our clones was intentional.

[storm flame]

the other option is to kill them even further in the rundowns

[cunning light]

That would work as well

[storm flame]

i just find it weird that they died there

and that theres no way to confirm it

[cunning light]

If we learn somewhere in R8 that Woods and Hackett are found dead

[burnt wren]

I mean..

Either we find their corpses too. In like A1 or something. Or... They will join the loudspeakers show.

[cunning light]

It just feels weird to have these two characters just dead here, instead of some rando KSOs (which is what I assumed when I first heard the log in Alt://R6C2)

[storm flame]

i mean, the fuckers survived Awol and E1's. Magically you die in a C? cmon mate

[burnt wren]

Yeah, but that's us, not them.

Also this is just more evidence against Chad Theory.

[storm flame]

im still negociating in me mind, in one hand, yeah they are clearly the models of bishop and dauda, but on the other hand, schaeffer mentioned this and the loss of his crew, plus he left the recording.

Whats the chad theory?

[burnt wren]

That our protagonists cleared every level first try without ever dying.

But if you played this game at all - you know that's impossible. Some levels are STUPID when it comes to first blind playthrough.

Like the nasty surprises of R4E1.

Hence the Chad theory was born. That our guys are undefeatable and just steamroll monsters like no one's business.

[storm flame]

yeah that could be one possibility, the other is that were too stupid compared to biocom

[cunning light]

I doubt any team has completed R4E1S blind on the first attempt :)

[raw terrace]

i feel like the confirm is the fact of the corpses in n out of itself

[burnt wren]

But with new developments it appears that the other option takes place

And it also explains apparels, somewhat

Every uniquely dressed prisoners (players) are one of many ALT version of our lads.

[cunning light]

I do love the Chad Theory though :)

[burnt wren]

Some live, some die.

Everything is cannon. Failures and successes.

...maybe except for mine prank a second before extraction

[storm flame]

still not enough since we see that too many assets are reused and schaeffers logs

[cunning light]

That would push towards the Clones Theory

[storm flame]

plus, if there are many many attempts before, why dont we find more daudas and bishops throuout E1's

[coral gorge]

cause they happened in other worldlines

its basically a roulette

one worldline wins by sheer luck

20 others fail miserably

[storm flame]

Also it would be anticlimactic since we havent found any of the head members of SMC probably in hstasis

[coral gorge]

with infinite worldlines its technically possible to have all missions be done by one team first try

[storm flame]

many world interpretation allows you to make it alive from your own perspective

like you could die at an A1 but you wouldnt know because you died

also hyperexploited resource at this point

[burnt wren]

Spoilers for a different horror game: ||we might have a SOMA situation here||

[storm flame]

havent played soma yet, havent had the time

[coral gorge]

Elaborate?

[storm flame]

and good you mentioned it lol im not gonna play it

[storm flame]

put it on spoilers pls haha

[cunning light]

That game story was so good.

[coral gorge]

||like the clone situation?||

[coral gorge]

||where the clone doesnt know its a clone?||

[storm flame]

but honestly i think theyll go their own way with the story of the game, the writting is insanely interesting at this point and copying someone else while having an army of people working on it would be kind of a bummer

[burnt wren]

||The player's perspective in SOMA is his own, not the character's. Technically speaking the player in that game plays 4 different characters, but they're convinced they're the same person. Its a subtly horrifying lie that the game sells you.
We could be experiencing same thing here. Except without the cloning part... Every time we drop - we drop as a different guy, not the same guy you dropped as 3 missions ago, even if they were both Woods.||

[coral gorge]

i suppose that would be a possibility

although i kinda hope not

[loud urchin]

oh yeah that's been suggested for a while

[crisp citrus]

the one where the players are just so much better that they do everything first try

and every other timeline is just worse

[eternal talon]

Woah woah, why? If the schaeffer log is to be believed, this squad died years and years ago. They never did the alt campaign because WE DO

And who said anything about clones? That's ridiculous

[burnt wren]

Just saying that with the whole multiverse shenanigans and doing tasks we've already done... Devs can just wave a magic wand and it'll be so.

• some levels are bullshit.
• we have at least 2 confirmed corpses of our other selves.

[loud urchin]

maybe ridiculous compared to what's considered the leading theory nowadays but I swear that "yeah maybe the prisoners are just personalities imprinted onto whoever comes out the hsu" was brought up more

[burnt wren]

Either they were just bad, or they are exactly the same and we are just RNG variant of the main caste.

[eternal talon]

And? Clone theory has been outright disproven. The rise logs explicitly state "not clones"

[loud urchin]

then again I haven't been around here for very long so

[burnt wren]

No one was talking about those clones

At least i wasn't...

[eternal talon]

cloning rise would be a million times easier than KSOs from the outside world

i'm just confused where the idea of them being "clones" came from

thats 110% out of left field

[burnt wren]

Maybe people just misuse the word to call the alternative version that, but not sure.

[eternal talon]

in our original worldline, we are as schaeffer and kovac put it, "the perfect quad"

its entirely reasonable our alt// counterparts just weren't good enough.

[burnt wren]

Also Woods knowing stuff...

The power of premonition is one hell of a power.

The blind playthrough loses. The one that gets memories of the previous one wins.

[eternal talon]

they do all have unique head models in the code iirc.

[burnt wren]

He does for sure, but i don't know many people who put face-revealing masks on him.

...or pay attention after the fact

True for the whole squad, of course.

[eternal talon]

they didn't because WE do that. why would warden need access to kds-deep... twice?

[burnt wren]

Dauda's easy to identify though...

[eternal talon]

i don't think we should consider clones until given an explicit reason to, as per rise, there is at least some standard of kovac being incapable of doing so, and with only this one pair, it is far more reasonable to assume it is just the versions of ourselves from that worldline

you could even go The Tomorrow War and say the only reason we were able to jump to alt is because ourselves there were already dead

[eternal talon]

the only time we know we don't play as our squad is the tutorial, where we play as a white guy with the same designation as dauda

[eternal talon]

this would be a reasonable assumption if it were the case they had KSO models in the first place. the only KSO models in-game prior to this were the heavily mutated corpses

[storm flame]

what

[solar nova]

Quantum chad theory is true, though.

We are the version of our quad that 1st tried everything.

[grave quest]

Guys If you want to know about the lore there is a YouTube Channel called Professor scaler there he has videos explaining it

[crisp citrus]

nah theres a quicker summary ill give rn
you are prisoners with an AI boss, you work for the warden which is an alien super AI that took over biocom program, your old boss.
you do tasks for the warden which are basically all for the sake of getting in contact with the collectors who want to "save" humanity in a yet unknown way.
in rundown 7 you hop timelines to the alt line or something.
in alt line, your alt versions died because they suck, and you dont suck because you win first try every time in lore.
schaeffer in original timeline hates warden and wanted to get you and all the prisoners to rebel and escape.
schaeffer in alt timeline likes warden and wants to save you and all the prisoners with the collector alien's help.

[grave quest]

Yes

The question is what will happen in R8?

[grave quest]

I think is more likely that alt versions are like other dimension story that still hasn't converged with the original as it was said in the video I guess

[crisp citrus]

my completely illogical guess is
old schaeffer crosses over, super parasited and nam-v'd into a half insane mutant, and hes the final boss of the rundown in which we defeat him and his sleepered KSO old timeline army, you then send the KSO capsules through the matter teleporter thing to the collector place, then we either dont go through and sacrifice ourselves or we do but get sealed into hydrostasis and its left open ended

even more illogical is the new game follows humanity in the collector world, and since its a cyberpunk heist game we play as the og 4 man squad newly unfrozen from the HSUs and now trying to heist the collectors who put humanity in a zoo

[grave quest]

One question are you a crab ?

[crisp citrus]

legal reasons stop me from giving an answer

[grave quest]

From which game is the photo ?

[crisp citrus]

risk of rain 2

[grave quest]

Never heard about it

But good photo 👍

[crisp citrus]

fair

[grave quest]

I think the end probably will be this :
The creator appears , so we have a fight against sherk ,and then we wake up

[grave quest]

What was the KSO?

[crisp citrus]

KSO?

the other prisoners

we are KSOs

[grave quest]

But does it have a meaning

I mean as UE
Is
European
Union
Or USA
United States of America

[simple pelican]

Kovak Security Officer? just a guess

[grave quest]

Good point

[coral gorge]

kovac secuity operative

[eternal talon]

Don't worry, the majority of us here are extremely well versed in the lore compared to the average player.

[eternal talon]

As time goes on, his older videos become more and more inaccurate, so that isn't necessarily a good idea.

[eternal talon]

I mean c'mon... link the "for dummies"... that's what it's there for

[eternal talon]

It's not. They've already converged as soon as alt//r1a1. His parallel story idea is flawed, as shown by the corpses of our squadmates in r6cx

Not to mention the developer's own word about alt being a continuation of our squad's story, not a different version of them

[crisp citrus]

But that's a whole doc, my summary is like 10 lines and covers the most confusing parts

[lilac island]

is namv actually immortal

where does that come from

[cunning light]

I do not think it comes from any hard evidence or log from the game

[lilac island]

if it's not immortal then the earth not dying after it got out with the mayans isn't a plot hole

and we just got lucky with it

if i had to guess i'd say its like anthrax or something

i dont have any phds in infectious disease but eh

idk

[burnt wren]

We have a direct confirmation that NAM-V makes parasite immortal, as part of their forced symbiosis.

NAM-V itself is a virus, and you're basically asking "are viruses immortal" which is a giant scientific rabbit hole

[lilac island]

the answer is no

no i don't care if we can't define alive or not

they can't stay alive on surfaces forever they eventually die

(right?)

how the hell does namv make the parasite immortal

[burnt wren]

They theoretically can. That's how people find some ancient derelicts, touch something they were not supposed to and get the coofs

[lilac island]

i guess only NAMV got out during those outbreaks and not the parasites

then it died out

[burnt wren]

Virus particles just get physically destroyed by exposure to elements. Like the sunlights, winds, etc.

[burnt wren]

Not necesserily died out... More like went into hybernination. There's billions of rotting corpses somewhere out there, and i'm sure overwhelming majority of them still contain the virus in them, ready to spread to anyone who passes by.

Also yes, NAM-V broke out with a rogue staff member, but parasite remained.

Although we do have a confirmation that UN expedition met sleepers on surface as they were moving towards the facility, so it appears parasite managed to get out to some extent after all.

Probably climbed out through the holes...

[lilac island]

no

i mean way back in history with the mayayns

[burnt wren]

Ah, that

Yeah, i have my doubts too how "flea demons" were sealed back up

[lilac island]

oh yeah its called flea demons

[burnt wren]

If it was just namv - naming it "flea" is one hell of a coincidence and i'm sure mayans got better naming convetions for a sickness (and i'm sure they knows what an average sickness is).

[lilac island]

like the fleas that are described in the complex that they're burrouwing into peoples skulls

aka parasite

[burnt wren]

So either:
A) they're reffering to just sleepers that got unleashed somehow
B) they're reffering to parasite specifically

[lilac island]

sleepers didnt exist before the complex went fucky wucky uwu and the entire facility got overrun

before that it was just namv and parasite

[burnt wren]

Dauda did mention that there is an non-infected parasite population. Maybe that's the key?

Only the normal one broke out somehow, so the problem solved itself once sleepers died out naturally?

[lilac island]

thanks a good point

methinks

[coral gorge]

In ALT the sleepers are on the surface

in og it was just the virus

[burnt wren]

Eh

We just never got the direct log confirmation from UN mission. And that mission was already announced in OG.

So they could be there, we're just not sure

And they only on approach to garganta, excluisive to the local area and continent

The fact that UN Expedition didn't know means no one spread the word. No one posted a video on the internet or anything. Which is... Nigh impossible.

[coral gorge]

i mean

is the internet even still up?

[crisp citrus]

There'd have to be electricity and stuff

Which I kinda doubt there is in any meaningful quantity due to everyone being dead

The complex im sure has it's own system

[grave quest]

Yes but he recently has posted a new one

[grave quest]

Also don't forget there was a log that talks about a mission with the matter wave projector in which only return bishop or dauda I don't know which one of the two , but the ADN did not matched as his mask , this can prove the existence of other dimensions

[royal crow]

Bishop

[grave quest]

Also I got a question , when you start one game technically you are in the surface cause the rain ,aren't you? And It seems that the warden's mission are always at night

[grave quest]

Thank

Thanks

Are you the immortal tank ?

[royal crow]

||yes||

[grave quest]

Do you hate us humans ?

[royal crow]

yes

always

and i will always hate humans

[grave quest]

Why

[loud urchin]

not this cringe shit again I thought I'd gotten away from people deciding to be videogame entities when I stopped playing destiny 2

[grave quest]

By the way I did not know that in the complex there was internet

[grave quest]

Ok

Sorry

[loud urchin]

Not you, the other one

[royal crow]

LMAO

DESTINY2?

[loud urchin]

Besides I'm a random guy on the Internet, you don't have to care about my input

And yes, people pretend to be destiny 2 guns for some reason

I really do not know why and wish they would stop, but that's besides the point

[grave quest]

Ok that is strange

And weird

[royal crow]

HAHAHAHAHHA

i remember seeing riskrunner, mountaintop, and whisper of the worm in youtube comments

anyways i will drop the conversation now because this is lore chat

[grave quest]

Returning to the lore

[coral gorge]

there are (possibly) infinite worldlines, what frosty refers to is the fact that the ALT worldline and the OG worldine have already merged after R7, and not how scaler said that they are still separate

[grave quest]

How do they merge in r7

I mean R7 ended when they insert the trojan

[coral gorge]

after R7

[grave quest]

And rebooted the generator

[coral gorge]

The warden merges them to stop schafer

[grave quest]

How do we know that?

[cunning light]

At the end of R7 the Warden as we know of is no longer present in this membrane

[grave quest]

Also how would the warden have so much power for doing that ?

[coral gorge]

cause that is the only reason that makes sense AND we hear og schafer can be heard in R1D1 meaning the wordlines have merged

[coral gorge]

its an alien

or alien made

anyhow its of alien origin

[grave quest]

It's an alien that converged dimensions but needs humans to do the work?

Can be

[loud urchin]

I do hope that we at least get a satisfying ending to the story

[grave quest]

I don't fit it with the alt rundowns

[coral gorge]

…i just said, og schafer is heard in R1D1

[loud urchin]

Although I still wonder if you could get things to work without the merging of worldlines and that entire thing, as unlikely as it may be

[coral gorge]

i doubt it sadly

[cunning light]

This is just morse code ; it could be Alt:// Schaeffer as well

[coral gorge]

ALT schafer gets released in ALT R4 no?

somehow

[grave quest]

As I watched in the video there was the old scafer that was crazy and hated the warden

[loud urchin]

For all we know it could be anyone, I don't think we have confirmation

[coral gorge]

pretty much

[grave quest]

And the alt one who wants to know what happen

And is likely to work with the Warden

[loud urchin]

Who's to say it couldn't be alt Hackett or whatever

[coral gorge]

I mean „go deeper” was a phrase schafer used several times

[grave quest]

By the way from what country are you from guys ?

[loud urchin]

Was the morse code not telling us to escape?

[coral gorge]

i thought it was smth along the lines of „deeper”

[burnt wren]

wiki here i come

[coral gorge]

right wiki has it

[burnt wren]

. ... -.-. .- .--. . (ESCAPE)

[coral gorge]

oh

fuck my memory

then

[grave quest]

Who says that. At ?

[burnt wren]

In R1-D1 level, when you enter the long corridor leading up to the reactor you can hear loud banging on the pipes / vents. Its scripted and plays every time you play that mission.

[coral gorge]

i mean id say that still fits og schafer, he wanted to escape the complex/the warden after all

[cunning light]

The morse code plays when you get to the Reactor

[burnt wren]

The banging is a morse code for "ESCAPE"

[cunning light]

Or the room right before it

[grave quest]

You guys think that are there two scaffers?

[coral gorge]

there have to be

[burnt wren]

There are. Actually.

[cunning light]

Oh, there are definitely two

[grave quest]

Each one in its own missjon

[royal crow]

threre is

[grave quest]

For that

[burnt wren]

Yep.

[grave quest]

There are two dimensions

[coral gorge]

or atleast were

hard to tell

[grave quest]

One ours and the other one the alt

[coral gorge]

yup og wordline and alt wordline

[grave quest]

Technically when she tart a mission where are in the surface

Aren't we?

[coral gorge]

also when are you gonna get on DRG you mexican

[grave quest]

.

[coral gorge]

In some kovac hsu warehouse close to the surface

[burnt wren]

Original Schaeffer wanted to escape the complex and sees Warden as the tyrant he needs to overthrow.
New ALT Schaeffer - a much smarter one, evidently - conversed with a mimic is now working in tandem with the Warden, not fully understanding why.

[grave quest]

Do why is raining

And why are the missions always at night ?

[coral gorge]

prolly just flavor

nothing to look into

[burnt wren]

Developing a custom drop cut scene hard. And expensive.

Simple as.

Its a tone setter

[grave quest]

I think both of them are clever but the problem is that the first one is crazy

[burnt wren]

That too

[grave quest]

I think he suffered amnesia because he did not remember anything

And he is scared

[coral gorge]

alt schafer got a higher position than og schafer, but yeah neither are dumb

[grave quest]

What dimension is worse

[coral gorge]

in what way

[grave quest]

I mean in terms of humanity survival

[coral gorge]

ALT is fucked

earth will become destination

[grave quest]

But our dimension was infect

[coral gorge]

cause sleepers are on the surface

in OG the virus will die off after like a centuary or more

but in ALT earth is eternally doomed

[grave quest]

How do you know that

Why I assume that the sleepers

Need nutrients

They would die without them

[coral gorge]

they apparently dont, we have plenty of info saying they are eternal

[burnt wren]

Well, 1 log saying as much.

[coral gorge]

destination seems to be a wasteland and yet there are tons of infected

[grave quest]

So is like a merge of biology

[coral gorge]

so clearly food isnt a concern

[grave quest]

And religion in a way

[burnt wren]

Virus grants sleepers a seemingly indefinite life span.

[coral gorge]

wot

[burnt wren]

Now weather or not it means 100 years, 1000 years or more - that's a whole other conversation.

[royal crow]

heavy dead space vibes

[grave quest]

Cause Is biological imposible that a living being survives

Without

Anything

[coral gorge]

We arr talking of a perfect virus, id say it can do anything

[burnt wren]

No, that's a fair point

But uh...

Horror settings never bothered about lawas of energy preservation

[grave quest]

I think that doesn't have scientific base

[burnt wren]

So take that as you will

[coral gorge]

plus its possible sleepers do die after like a millenia

[burnt wren]

Just assume it does something

[royal crow]

my man trying to get logic into a game

lol

[grave quest]

The virus can be seen has a

Punishment of god in a way

[royal crow]

idk

the virus came from a meteorite right?

in the insert name here crater

[grave quest]

Mexico

[coral gorge]

We have multidmensional aliens, alien ai, cloning, a super virus… and you want scientific proof

[coral gorge]

alien spaceship

thought to be a meteor

[burnt wren]

If spectral analysis of the derelict is to be correct - it predates hummanity, if not life on earth

So god planting a nuke under his creation is a rather bold move

[grave quest]

At this point the real world has that XD

What about the weather

[royal crow]

the Chicxulub crater

there

[grave quest]

Why always da Warden start missions at night ?

[coral gorge]

EY DONT SPOIL THATS WHAT THE XXII CENTAURY WILL BE ABOUT

[royal crow]

because developers lazy to do another setting

[coral gorge]

Just flavor

[royal crow]

also it adds a special feeling to the game

[grave quest]

I would like to see the surface in the game

[royal crow]

unfortunate

[coral gorge]

I doubt we see it, maybe in some ending cutscene

[grave quest]

also remember

[coral gorge]

destination is as close as we’ll get

[grave quest]

That a virus need to kill cells

In order to proliferate

[royal crow]

but thats not the surface of the earth is it?

its another dimension

[coral gorge]

nope

[royal crow]

or planet

or whatever

[coral gorge]

another planet in a diff worldline

so both =)

[grave quest]

@coral gorge

[coral gorge]

i feel like this might be the symbiosis with the parasite - the virus kills cells, gives some energy to the parasite, parasite regens the cells

or something like that

[grave quest]

Aren't the same ?

Did not know that

[coral gorge]

nope parasite and virus are separate

virus without parasite just kills

virus with parasite creates (seemingly) immortal sleepers

[grave quest]

Is the parasite alone capable of killing the humanity?

Are both of them alien?

[coral gorge]

the parasite on its own seemed to create extremely weak sleepers if i remember correctly

[coral gorge]

they are both alien in origin yes

wether parasite on its own could doom humanity its hard to tell

id say no

[grave quest]

Is there any possibility of communication ?

I mean. Would be able us the humans talk to hen

Then

[coral gorge]

to who?

aliens?

[grave quest]

As I know the warden sent like some humanoid clones that could walk among the sleepers

[coral gorge]

Yeah units

these are human clones

[grave quest]

Wy the sleepers did not attack

[coral gorge]

that were seemingly imprinted with some sorta alien consciousness by the warden

[coral gorge]

Either they dont see units as targets due to their half mechanic nature or something we dont know about

[grave quest]

If the sleepers are activated by noise the they would be permanently crazy in the surface

[burnt wren]

NOT clones.

Completely artificial humanoids.

[coral gorge]

project RISE and how the warden uses it is confusing

[coral gorge]

i mean yeah

[burnt wren]

From scratch.

[grave quest]

.

[royal crow]

not really

[coral gorge]

Prolly not permamently, but they defo would be awake more often

[royal crow]

you see how sleepers dont react to doors opening? just alarms

they probably dont react to "natural" sounds

such as leafs moving

or air

[grave quest]

So is strange because only the tanks are invincible

And what are the squid flisrs

Fliers

[coral gorge]

Yeah they most likely adapt to the surroundings so natural light/sounds and only react to new ones

[coral gorge]

some sorta alien organism taken over by nam-v and parasite

most likely inhabited destination before nam-v showed up

[royal crow]

there is only one

[grave quest]

You

[royal crow]

as far as i know

[coral gorge]

actually its 3

3 diff pablos

[royal crow]

isnt it the same guy ?

[coral gorge]

nope

i do not believe so

[burnt wren]

Could be either way really

[coral gorge]

yeah hard to tell

i think frosty or someone gave a bunch of arguments about why its a bunch of diff pablos tho

[royal crow]

i dont doubt another one exist

[coral gorge]

Its presumed tanks are very old chargers and pablos (||immortals||) are even older tanks

[grave quest]

Why are you inmortal?

[royal crow]

if one managed to exist then it definitely can happen again

[royal crow]

if we talk gameplay wise its simple
the weak points are covered in armor

[grave quest]

You Pablo why don't you help us. in our missions ?

[royal crow]

that would make sense

[coral gorge]

ah yes the perfect strat of punching pablo for days till he dies… then doing it 2 more times when he comes back

[grave quest]

.

[royal crow]

:3

[grave quest]

Can the sleepers swim

The virus originated in America

[coral gorge]

P l a n e s

[royal crow]

boats

[coral gorge]

same as covid

[burnt wren]

Unconfirmed and probably not

[royal crow]

i dont think those fuckers can swim

[burnt wren]

Even in ALT they seem to - at least for now - be located to areas close to facility.

[coral gorge]

I doubt they could drown tho

[grave quest]

They kill every life or only human

[coral gorge]

everything

[royal crow]

everything

[coral gorge]

nam-v is basically an evolution reset

[grave quest]

Most import questions Do the sleepers work alone or do they have a common mind that controls them all ?

[coral gorge]

they operate on some sorta hive mind

how advanced is it, is harc to tell tho

[royal crow]

if we keep in mind how the kraken can call flyers

i believe there is a higher mind

or something

[coral gorge]

we know sleepers do operate on some sorta hive structure

we just dont know how it works, and how advanced is it

[royal crow]

well

the sleepers doesnt seem to be that smart

[grave quest]

Could a nuclear bomb kill Pablo?

[burnt wren]

Yes, absolutely

[grave quest]

How about a vaccine ?

[royal crow]

they tried

[grave quest]

Was there a researching ?

[royal crow]

i believe they tried

[grave quest]

Why do the warden want to help da humanity?

[royal crow]

but didnt worked

[royal crow]

yes

[royal crow]

i guess to save us

[grave quest]

But why

[burnt wren]

Unclear, unconfirmed, hints that he doesn't - it might be a lie.

[royal crow]

idk

[grave quest]

And if the Warden is so powerful why did not he research a vaccine?

[royal crow]

maybe he will betray us

[royal crow]

bro have you seen the tasks he gives us?

he doesnt have full control of the facility

at all

[grave quest]

I mean

He could speak more with the prisioners

If he was so intelligent. He should have tried to convinced us

[burnt wren]

Actually it is weird. Why did they require the mimic instead of just saying things as text on the screen.

[royal crow]

isnt that what he wants with the help of the mimics?

[grave quest]

Yes

I thought that

[royal crow]

oh no

plot holes

[grave quest]

Artek one question are we enslaved to the warden ?

[past matrix]

extremely late but yeah that was the implication

[royal crow]

yes

[grave quest]

Or do we have free thinking

[royal crow]

oh

yes?

[past matrix]

it was one of the main things against the whole "warden is an AI/biocom" type thing

[grave quest]

Are we enslaved by the Warden or we have the mind free ?

[past matrix]

because we had several different examples (such as r1d1, r2b3) where the warden just straight-up fucks up systems and can't do anything about it

[grave quest]

Because with Henriksoon scaffer talked about something strange that controls Henriksson

[royal crow]

as i said, the warden doesnt have full control of the facility

thats why he needs us

[grave quest]

That he needed to break it

[grave quest]

Yeah

[coral gorge]

basically - we have free thought, BUT we cant disobey the warden

[burnt wren]

Kinda both. Warden's orders are exceptionally intrusive and it takes a lot of effort to ignore them. Our guys do not put any particular effort in, but their random banter during levels implies that they have at least some degree of mental freedom.
Many a log imply that KSOs should be completely brainwashed. They do not do or say anything unless told to do so directly by BIOCOM and them getting out of line is considered a rare event. Yet our guys seem to not care. They are just on board.

[grave quest]

R7 D2 AWOL doesn't think the same

[coral gorge]

…schafer frees us

in R7D2

[royal crow]

Schaffer helped us

he basically broke the warden "algorithm"

so schaffer could send us were he wants

[grave quest]

Out of context from which Country are you from guys ?

[burnt wren]

R7D2 is a plothole, as far as i'm concerned.

[coral gorge]

or atleast, he makes it so we arent direclty controled by the warden

[grave quest]

Don't think so

[royal crow]

it isnt

[raw terrace]

why

[grave quest]

It was more likely brakes as Henriksoon said

Schaeffer W Warden L

[raw terrace]

i always thought of wardens mental control as realistic one, the kind of that just pushes u to do somethin and convinces u its cause u wanna do it, thats why we do PE in all the levels
on r7d2 warden doesnt have any orders, its just recalculating the path the entire time

cause, they put on the brakes

so we can do, whatev while it happens

[grave quest]

You got a point there I agree

[coral gorge]

I see R7D2 as - warden is confused, tells us to just find a way back, schafer exploits it by having us do shit for him as the only way to find a way back

[royal crow]

as far as i know the warden was sending us to a expedition and thats were schaffer stopped the lift mid way through so we could do what he wanted

[grave quest]

Like I kinda understand why og Scaffer is acting like that

[burnt wren]

Up to 7D2 we only obeyed Schaeffer because he was preventing us from doing our original objectives, so cooperating with him was the only way to proceed lest Warden gets involved.
Our characters express no thoughts about Schaeffer's shenanigans, say nothing. As far as i'm concerned - they're straight up ignoring him how KSOs tended to ignore irrelevant staff members, and the only reason they do what he wants because he leaves them no choice.

D2 is a completely unique level in that we - out of our own volition - suddenly follow Schaeffer's orders. Completely. We don't stand by idly waiting for Warden to find a solution to communication jam, which is what we should do according to canonical KSO behavior.

[grave quest]

So Finally I understand the meaning of AWOL

[burnt wren]

The best steelman i can do is that KSOs truly do not care where the objective stack comes from - only that it does.

[grave quest]

Is like that we deserted

[royal crow]

"absent without leave"

its used in the military when someone leaves

without saying

[grave quest]

Yes so is AWOL I thought there were random letters

[past matrix]

i think this would make sense

if something fucked up in the complex there should be a manual override

[grave quest]

Like desertion

[royal crow]

mhm

technically thats what we do in R7D2

[grave quest]

Yes

[royal crow]

but o well, we kinda got forced

[coral gorge]

also @grave quest regarding wardens inteligence: it clearly is inteligent as it began to refer to prisoners as a well „prisoners” and not „KSOs” which supposedly made us follow orders better. This basically confirms its inteligent but not flawless as seen with its numerous fuck ups (mainly with reactor shutdowns). Why does it need units to communicate with us? This we have no idea on, we can only speculate

[grave quest]

So that's the reason of Awoll

In r7 the warden literally. Has lost

He lost the control

[coral gorge]

yup

[royal crow]

that was schaffer's objective

[grave quest]

No Henriksson and Scaeffer runs the place

[royal crow]

take control

[coral gorge]

hence i and others believe it decided to merge wordlines

to not lose

[grave quest]

Yes but at first I didn't know the meaning of AWOL

[burnt wren]

The word you're searching for is "sentimental", no intelligent.

[grave quest]

I thought there were random letters

[past matrix]

i just realized they forgot about this line in alt r2

[coral gorge]

…sentimental? Like… „i wanna go back to the old days” kinda sentimental?

[grave quest]

The warden in r7 has died , hasn't it ? He is an informatic program

So he is destroyed completely

[royal crow]

i dont think he is dead

he just lost control

[grave quest]

Yes but they can delete it

So bye Warden

[royal crow]

depends

[coral gorge]

We dont know that

we assumed its an AI for a while

but many things hint that its smth else

[grave quest]

We have to think about the meaning of "warden"

What is it ?

[royal crow]

"a person responsible for the supervision of a particular place or thing or for ensuring that regulations associated with it are obeyed"

[burnt wren]

The change to KSO names is an emotional response, not a raw machine one.
A machine / AI wouldn't care about what its' brainwashed drones are called, only that they follow orders.
Schaeffer says as much in some log or another.

[coral gorge]

Technically its a nickname, its true name is WRRDN or smth like that

[burnt wren]

WRDN

[coral gorge]

yeah

[royal crow]

the word warden fits with him

[burnt wren]

Also same naming convention as CLCTR

[royal crow]

he makes sure we do our tasks

[grave quest]

"Den "has a meaning alone

?

[royal crow]

and he gives us tasks

[burnt wren]

The aliens are really not that subtle...

[grave quest]

?

[coral gorge]

yeah i was about to bring that up

[coral gorge]

den is a hole that serves as a homeplace for an animal

or something like that

[grave quest]

War
Den

War

[royal crow]

hole of war

[coral gorge]

a war hole

[royal crow]

lol

literally garganta

[grave quest]

A bunker ?

[royal crow]

also garganta means throat

[grave quest]

Yes

I know that, I am Spanish

[coral gorge]

i wonder if that is intended as i think the name of the complex originated from „gargantous” as in giant

[grave quest]

No

Garganta means throat

[royal crow]

i believe its intended

because its a hole that goes deep

[grave quest]

Yes

[royal crow]

the throat is also a hole that goes deep

technically

[coral gorge]

the more you know

[eternal talon]

He sends us out of range of the warden. It's as simple as that.

[grave quest]

So if the warden loses control as we go deeper

Why do the Warden orders us to go deeper ?

[coral gorge]

the warden knows how far it can send us

and it needs us to go deeper

to do its things

whatever they are

[eternal talon]

Yup. Some kind of "Collector Consciousness
"

[eternal talon]

In relation to r7d2, it didn't. Schaeffer cut the brakes on the freight lift.

The warden has pockets of space within garganta it controls. For example, KDS-DEEP is one such place it didn't have access to that it sent us to go breach so it could because of the insane quantity of KSOs housed inside

[eternal talon]

'Murica

[cunning light]

It also on several occasions required our team to reroute power to other sectors, so it could accomplish its own design

[eternal talon]

Yep. Their physiology is entirely different to anything we'd seen before

Also I should note, on the topic of "sleepers starving", the floaters have been the dominant life-force on destination for 7 trillion years and are still alive there, so they probably don't have to... or eat rocks, or somethin

[daring drum]

Where and when

[eternal talon]

*at least 7 trillion, could be more. (Technically 7.5)

[raw terrace]

in morse code in the hallway before the reactor

u can hear banging on the walls

[eternal talon]

Just before the reactor. Banging pipes in morse code. Audio is on wiki

[eternal talon]

Iirc they are spliced with NAM-V making them partially immune

(But I don't remember the source, so take that with a grain *bucket of salt)

[eternal talon]

It's not a matter of sleepers swimming (also you forgot fish exist that could be sleeperified) but nam-v transmits via everything except the vacuum of space

And it can stick around for weeks to a couple months too on surfaces. It's infectivity is off the charts

[grave quest]

0 out of 10 which mark would you give to gtfo lore?

I think 9.5/10

[raw terrace]

on a 5 star rating like youtube in the old day-

[eternal talon]

Yep. Doesn't have the mutations to jump-start it. Ironically the hosts would remain more human, which would probably be worse in the short-term as More of the host's consciousness would remain

[grave quest]

no 0 to 10

[raw terrace]

:[

[eternal talon]

6.3

[grave quest]

Why

[coral gorge]

id say its a 7/10

[eternal talon]

It's gone down bad after r6

[grave quest]

Why

R6 was good

[raw terrace]

after ksks

[grave quest]

I think the best Rundown maybe

[eternal talon]

Worldlines and multidimensional shenanigans

[coral gorge]

the lore is confusing, changed a lot from how it started, the idea is great but it really went down a weird rabbit hole

[grave quest]

Yeah

[eternal talon]

This too. A real pain in the ass to learn/teach

[coral gorge]

i adore the games setting, but the writers got high halfway through the story

and i dont mean the good kinda high

[grave quest]

I like the atmosphere

[eternal talon]

Like imagine every sleeper had the appearance of a snatcher (without tentacles)

[grave quest]

For me I would have preferred that the story continued with the r7 and Scaeffer's coup the state

Bringing back the previous Rundowns

[daring drum]

Л

K

I read the entire thing

from yesterday

to today

[eternal talon]

Warden got angry and pressed the "undo" button

[daring drum]

shit dudes you put on a show here

[raw terrace]

the lore goes weeee what can i say

[eternal talon]

A lot of us take the lore very seriously

[daring drum]

So basically it means wrdn right now is presumed to be an alien entity or colony trying to "help" humanity by saving it

[daring drum]

Yeah me too

that's why i read it

[mortal pivot]

I've said it many times but it's just so jarring that it's all audiologs hidden in terminals until R6-7 where it's A LOT more conventional (too much) with its storytelling

[daring drum]

So you want to say that it's theorised

[eternal talon]

Ehhhhhhhh.... I can't talk about that more than "it's prolly lying"

[daring drum]

That warden merged with other timeline from (datacores?? R6D4 cryptomnesia??) ALT

And basically ALT is just a continuation of current OG squad

[eternal talon]

Not quite. In r6d4, we use data cubes to go to those three worldlines then return to our own

Whatever warden did merged ours and a different one entirely

[coral gorge]

after R7 warden merged OG timeline and ALT timeline, sending our squad into ALT R1 and etc

[eternal talon]

People's memories and everything getting weirdly sandwiched together

[daring drum]

I think us collecting data cores are actually for that

Warden wants to use data cores with matter wave projector?

[grave quest]

How

[eternal talon]

Oh boo. Don't downvote me. You know why I can't say anything, and I said it's probably lying way before

[coral gorge]

@eternal talon pls explain i dont have time to do it rn

[grave quest]

One question the person who better knows about the more is @eternal talon ?

[grave quest]

Sorry for bothering

[cunning light]

I meant to say that you may think you know things, but you do not. Patience :)

[eternal talon]

I've been playing gtfo for about half a decade, since OGr1. And I've been here every day since OGr6 talking about lore and working on the "for dummies" document

[eternal talon]

Ehh... there isn't really much to say. We don't know squat

[grave quest]

Frossty are you the person who know more about gtfo lore ?

[daring drum]

What is the plot behind R7E1?

Basically we take control of WRDN in R7D2

[grave quest]

Not us

[daring drum]

And then why we do E1?

[eternal talon]

I'd I had to guess, it'd be to do with one of the jumps in r7e1 that we come back from and schaeffer stops talking to us, but that is weird from a timeline perspective since we are still in an r7 area of the complex which the warden back then probably wouldn't have access to

[grave quest]

But schaeffer

[grave quest]

We needed to reboot the system

In order to Henriksoon scaffer have the control

[eternal talon]

Unless your talking about the devs or pre-patch testers, (but they are under NDA so it doesn't count), yes

[grave quest]

But was the point of datacubes

In r6d4

[eternal talon]

Not really. We can't take control of the warden, not how you are thinking

[grave quest]

Like it was useless

Such as the galps in r7 c1

Or the r7d1

[eternal talon]

Basically, we work for biocom. Warden controls biocom. Schaeffer stuck that memory stick in a biocom server hub in r7b2

[daring drum]

WRDN merged timelines together right?

[eternal talon]

Then in r7e1, it was restarting the power to solidify this change

[grave quest]

Yes but what as the point of r6 d4

[daring drum]

Operatives in alt died by unknown reasons doing unkown mission

[loud urchin]

As soon as the scan starts the door to the rest of the level opened so I'm not convinced, but I don't know what else I could suggest

[daring drum]

Operatives i mean ALT squad

[burnt wren]

Data cube collection, simple as.

[daring drum]

Data core*

[grave quest]

Wait

[eternal talon]

Basically, if the worldline merge didn't happen, we would be both controlled by the warden AND schaeffer. Puppets with two people controlling the same set of strings as it were

[grave quest]

Are you saying that dauda hacket and bishop alt are dead ?

[loud urchin]

At the very least the teleportatipn or worldlines arent required to unlock the rest of the play area

[grave quest]

At least Schaefer is an human being

[daring drum]

I think data cores are essentially like an alien memory stick

Somehow teleporting you to other worldline?

[eternal talon]

Yes. Alt//s worldline was delayed relative to ours, so when we merged, it set the clock back to whenabouts r1 happened

We aren't time traveling, it's just slow (kinda?) Hard to explain

[daring drum]

dude my head hurts

[burnt wren]

Just don't worry about it, seriously.

[daring drum]

So basically wrdn did it as the last attempt to stop Shaeffer

I NEED TO KNOW

[grave quest]

Guys warden
War
Den=hole
Hole of war
Garganta=throat
Throat can have the meaning of hole
In garganta there is the fight between us and the sleepers
So my end conclusions
The Warden is garganta

[daring drum]

YOU CAN'T HIDE THE TRUTH FROM US

[burnt wren]

Until R8 deployes and explains E-E-E-E-VERYTHING we're stuck here for a while with a bunch of random ass information

[eternal talon]

Not necessarily bishop and Hackett, we don't know their fate. Alt// woods and dauda are 100% dead