gtfo-lore

[terse knoll]

like 1 km high icebergs

[solemn kraken]

If I have to rely on Sid to save us.... no just shoot me on extract please

[terse knoll]

Sid?

[solemn kraken]

Ice age pun. nvm

[terse knoll]

oh

my point is, Sleepers will eventually die off

hell, yellowstone alone blows up every 64k years

[solemn kraken]

Weren't they immortal due to parasite+virus combo?

[terse knoll]

immortal to nature's equivalent of a nuke?

Supervulcanos can wipe out a lot

[solemn kraken]

If they deep in the complex I think so as they been there since the dinosaur meteorite

Asclong as some are there, they could just remultiply

[terse knoll]

let's say all multi cellular life dies

[solemn kraken]

As they seem to not need humans anymore. as shown by mothers and respawn sacs

[terse knoll]

infect what then?

[solemn kraken]

Sure. THEN yes. but as long as some sleepers/mothers/sacs survive in garganta I think it will repopulate after

And you could also say that as we opened the portal to destination, after the wipe out some might cross over from destination

as destination would be untouched by Such an event

[terse knoll]

Hmm

let's say devs throw us a bone and let us escape

how?

maybe R8 builds up to it?

[solemn kraken]

R8 is the end. so it better

I just want them to let us go to the inner/nest/ship as the new environment

Then wrap it up somehow.

[solemn kraken]

It would probably be a teleportation to a clean timeline/place. I see no other possibility for a "happy" ending

[terse knoll]

I hope we get it

[solemn kraken]

I just hope for some good hard content. R6 and R7 were lackluster, even if R7 has 2 good missions

[terse knoll]

think of it as Dante's Inferno

go through hell to reach paradise

[solemn kraken]

Who knows what the devs will pull off

[terse knoll]

yeah

[solemn kraken]

with OG R6 they were like : aliens. out of the blue. no mentions before. so who knows

[terse knoll]

some sense of fulfillment after beating all 8 rundowns

"You just die now" would be anticlimatic

[harsh saffron]

"You just die now but 50 different versions of yourself are free to go" might be a fitting end tho.

[terse knoll]

????

[harsh saffron]

If the collectors decide to just move every non infected human (from every possible timeline) to the clean timeline I mean

[coral gorge]

Yeah infinite worldlinrs

[harsh pike]

For some reason I firmly believe this game will have a good ending

For the main 4 at least

[coral gorge]

i think it will be a semi good ending

where we live but the new humanity will be even more fucked up morally than the previous one

also @terse knoll the amount of sleepers that will be present on ALT earth will be more than enough to outlast any and all extinction events

every time evolution takes a step nam-v will instantly reverse it

[terse knoll]

Well not like we had morality in the stone age

we made it up later

I think Summerians were first with a justice system?

only job of new humanity is build society and not go extinct

society will evolve naturally towards new morals

"Maybe I don't want to be murdered so let's make murder illegal"

[coral gorge]

now imagine cavemen with guns

cause thats how the new humanity would look like

you would have murder machines

creating a „society”

[terse knoll]

Look at Australia

wasn't it a penal colony?

[rain stirrup]

it would change nothing imo
Guns are just better tools for holding and creating power rather than spears and knives

[burnt wren]

Also they will run out of ammo eventually and i doubt the survivors will have enough tech to make more

[terse knoll]

we will go back to spears and stones

might have a hard time getting adjusted to eating solid food

but we probably know how to make a fire already

[crisp citrus]

A bandit economy

Where people rove the countryside in gangs and steal from eachother like wild West on steroids

[burnt wren]

Depends on where they end up. If its a forest with trees and fruits and shit - they'll be fine

But I think it's a pointless conversation for now. I just don't see a happy ending for our lads.

Something vibes me wrong about The Collectors

[coral gorge]

yeah

[crisp citrus]

Don't you get it? This is setting up for the sequel, GTFI (get the fuck in) where you have to break into the collector main world and destroy them all.

[coral gorge]

yeah

GTFI will be a great game

and then GTFO (get the full order) will be a spinoff cooking sim

[plush nest]

I mean we got spaghetti already

[crisp citrus]

GTFO cooking game where you have to make dishes out of the creatures

Scout spaghetti, shooter souffle, flyer fries, striker sauce, charger charcuterie, and kraken kabob

[ember badger]

wow awesome lore

[coral gorge]

l o r e

never question the lore people

or the lore people will question you out of existence

[crisp citrus]

Your unexistence will be made into a reasonable development

[eternal talon]

borderlands?

[crisp citrus]

yes

[sudden quarry]

Please keep this channel gtfo related

[crisp citrus]

this may be hard to believe but we were talking of GTFO

[coral gorge]

Yeah this is all gtfo lore

all things considered this wasnt even a high amount of getting side tracked

like 10 messages

[cold sphinx]

@eternal talon

ive just converted the whole

"lore for dummies"

into my language lol

ngl its very entertaining doing so

[eternal talon]

how so?

[cold sphinx]

reading it lol

[harsh saffron]

New headcanon: The Collectors are Cretasium Crystals
https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/ALT://Rundown_6.0_Logs#CVB-SK5-F71

[burnt wren]

Could very well be the case

Would explain their presence

But... How does this explain fliers then?

[solar nova]

It's just not crystals on fliers tbh.

I will defend this to the death, sleepers have hardened parts on themselves, and this example doesn't appear very crystalline.

[harsh saffron]

On a more serious note, since they can travel between membranes freely and can apparently move other things as well (with the MWP), they probably "just" enmesh the Cretasium with the cables and use it as an interface for biocom.

[abstract shuttle]

That would explain why Schaffer can't find where WRDN is running on the biocom network

[harsh saffron]

True and I think it's kinda funny that an unknown, possibly alien crystal is growing into your network cables and starts to slow down your super secure, super important system controlling the entire multi billion dollar facility but it's apparently not important enough to warrant any investigation ^^

[cold sphinx]

but how tho

the only thing it could do is destroy the floor or might be cutting off the power grid lol

how can a weird crystal hack a whole net work system of a complexed complex

[harsh saffron]

Even that sounds like something that shouldn't be allowed to happen tho ^^ Not even blaming them for not knowing about the hacking stuff

[cold sphinx]

we dont know how "HARD"

or how fast it forms to even mess up the terrain

[harsh saffron]

Fair, still can't really imagine how anybody would give so little attention to this in this scenario

[crude jacinth]

Please keep all non GTFO related content to #gtfo-lore thank you

[cold sphinx]

?

imagine saying crystals from R6-7 isnt from lore

[burnt wren]

Do you have closeups of Shockers by any chance?

[solar nova]

It just looks the same tbh.

Might even compare to giant striker legs and ass.

[burnt wren]

Discord compression sucks ass but i feel difference

[eternal talon]

i don't have any up-close pictures of either of those

[burnt wren]

The tank / charger horns yeah, they look organic

But fliers are different somehow

The way their bits give off that glass-ish shade

And i think shockers have even more of that

[burnt wren]

Too bad R6AX lighting is broken

[eternal talon]

cube like shapes aren't really natural

i mean this one is literally just a rectangle

[crisp citrus]

part rock

[solar nova]

P sure the glassy look is just the lighting engine.

[burnt wren]

There is a difference, i can still see it

[solar nova]

If you want to argue just on shape, maybe, but I don't think it's clear cut at all.

[burnt wren]

I can't put my finger into it and explain, but its different

These guys - yeah, just heavily mutiliated hardened flesh.

Something's up with fliers though. That's not flesh, its like they fused with rocks.

Getting a screenshot of shocker is quite hard, those assholes don't appear often and whenever they do you're too busy with other 12.000 enemies...

But they are like normal fliers on steroids

Their entire body is like a crystal carapace

[crisp citrus]

Nam-V infects rocks

It never gives up, it never surrenders

Pushing the boundaries of disease since 2050

[loud urchin]

zoonotic viruses have gone too far

[median snow]

LMAO

[clear furnace]

Crystal in matter wave projector
Crystal in MWP looks like those on destination
Crystal has power to teleport
Flyers have crystal in them
Flyers can teleport

[dense saffron]

I can get one, one moment

[eternal talon]

i hate to be the one to complain, but i can't see shit with that lighting

its just a black blob

[dense saffron]

I think I had full bright turned on for tile creation purposes, one sec

[dense saffron]

that better?

it's pretty much just a black blob tho tbh

[median snow]

id say its just like, a sea turtle situation where barnacles and minerals form on their shells

[dense saffron]

internally all the black areas on the flyer act as armor

so that implies their tougher than the fleshy bits, my guess is they're kinda like bone

[harsh pike]

it looks like outright rock

[finite vine]

Exactly what im thinking. And fliers are the only enemy that can teleport. So therefore its safe to assume the black things on the fliers are crystals, and the black things on sleepers are just a mutation. No other enemy can teleport.

[naive crow]

the logs that describe the symptoms of nam-v mention ossification, which is the process of turning other cells into bone
so charger and tank armour is presumably bone growth
interesting that fliers have rock to protect them

[coral gorge]

might be a mutation of nam-v only present on destination

[peak scaffold]

Got a question; I know the people in this are prisoners for one reason or another but are they sentenced to death? Or is it “survive x amount of missions you get set free” kinda deal

[solemn kraken]

they not prisoners in that sense. there is no one left on the surface (99.8% dead)

it's not sentencing it's just a program to make mindless soldiers

There is no end

[peak scaffold]

Oh…. Fuck. Damn Im really late on the lore then. I didn’t know any of that.

[solemn kraken]

There is way more to it, read the for dummies pinned document

[peak scaffold]

Oh okay ill check it out

[solemn kraken]

It's is updated till Alt R6 I think

yep

[burnt wren]

It's a complicated situation.

Woods ended up here as a real convict - after shooting up a marine base.
Dauda got into a stasis pod to save his life and got brainwashed into being the operative.
Hackett submitted himself willingly as penance.
Bishop was forced into it as a punishment for black mailing a Santonian higher up.

They are not technically convicts and Kovac did not called them that. They call then KSOs - Kovac Special Operatives. They are brainwashed into following orders of an AI management system called BIOCOM. Kovac often reffers to them as "it" no longer recognising them as people. Robots in human skin.

The monicker "Prisoners" was introduced when Warden took over BIOCOM and allegedly is specifically used by it because for some reasons the operatives respond to orders better when called that.

So TLDR: they are not really prisoners, but for whatever reason they themselves think otherwise and it motivates them better.

[lilac island]

the infection is actually named

"Injury Infection Liquid Pharmacon"

or it might actually be a tool used to guage the infection

It's in this log that talks about syringe duration and the side effect of infection https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/ALT://Rundown_3.0_Logs#EBD-T34-DG1

uh oh, stinky!
"the physical health of the workforce has declined recently. Reports of malaise, lethargy, and exhaustion account for a total of 8,350 man hours lost"

[low folio]

MMMM maliaise

the infection is named NAM-V though, lol

we literally know the name of the virus, so there's no reason it'd be given another name

the I2-LP syringes are some form of NAM-V

or contain some form of it/the parasite

[lilac island]

we don't know if the infection is namv

i mean the infectious fog

because that causes issues with the disinfection being able to straight up remove it from your body

so it can't possibly be namv, because if it was namv then it would have a simple cure or method to combat it

[low folio]

imo a gameplay mechanic shouldn't be treated as lore lore

if you were unable to remove the infection, you'd be heavily penalized for making mistakes that you couldn't fix

[lilac island]

disagree because this game takes merging lore and gameplay very seriously

[low folio]

if that was the case we would be able to find the gear of other prisoners and use it in our expeditions, or we'd see the remains of KSO's and the weaponry there in places like KDS deep

[lilac island]

KDS deep doesn't need to have weapons

[low folio]

lore is tied to the game yes, but it's not tied in to the point of changing the gameplay loop

[lilac island]

it's just a storage for people

[low folio]

KDS deep is the storage and staging area for KSOs

as well as being the main Kovac operations center in Garganta

it makes zero sense to store KSO gear and equipment like boosters far away from KDS deep or the KSO staging areas

even then, we're already infected with NAM-V, we know this

it is at least implied that an HSU will only put the virus to sleep

so 'infection' in game could just be the forced or accellerated signs of symptoms of infection caused by excess exposure to aeresolized NAM-V resting in residual water vapor

considering the high flora density and depth of Garganta, a high humidity is easily possible and would account for the large amount of fog in the facillity.

[lilac island]

that doesn't explain the disinfection

[low folio]

especially when we consider that most of the ventilliation is probably fucked

[low folio]

could be as simple as treating symptoms/cleaning equipment to allow for ease of breathing/movement

[lilac island]

that makes no sense

how is cleaning your gun going to stop your fever like symptoms

[low folio]

....

cleaning your mask

your respirator, airtanks, filters.

[lilac island]

The problem is inside your body

[low folio]

respirated medicines, or the like

there's a lot of possibilities

[burnt wren]

Clears the filters most likely and just reduces direct contact with source of infection so your body doesn't feel like it's overrun

But yes, gameplay mechanics are a different thing entirely

[lilac island]

i would agree if the game didn't drink the multiverse kool-aid to explain alt rundowns

clearly the devs are on some refined syringes and want to explain everything that happens through lore

[eternal talon]

kinda hard to be a staging area without an armory tbh... kinda hard to fight wars without guns (even subterranean ones)

[low folio]

Yeah hence what I said earlier about the lack of equipment in KDS deep

Makes no sense

[low folio]

Worldliness literally make more sense than some other lore

[eternal talon]

same thing with the stairs that lead to nothing, the lack of numerous types of rooms, etc, i could go on.

but i have so side with Elbowguard here that infection fog would probably be one of the few things they would logically explain away.

[low folio]

Shit architecture makes the most sense

[eternal talon]

like syringes that give infection, either infection fog isn't nam-v, or disinfection packs aren't really disinfecting.

[eternal talon]

which of these two, I don't really want to speculate on currently as there really isn't a point.

you are dying slowly to nam-v anyway, magical (temporary) disinfection or not

you can't reverse cancer damage.

at least not to my knowledge

[lilac island]

wow so

WHO or whatever was alive 5 years after the virus went to the surface

log 7JR-T7U-780:
It's... June 12th, 2057. We've found him. Patient Zero.

they were still searching 5 years after

and also apparently that team of researchers made it 300 meters into the facility without getting attacked

they probably died tbh

[burnt wren]

Could be.

[lilac island]

also i think the timeline is a bit weird

on the wiki

during what year do the events of this game take place

[coral gorge]

2060-2070~ish

i think

the game itself i mean

our missions and such

[lilac island]

there was a log in 2054 of scheaffer and herik that were hacking some stuff

and i think it's supposed to play while you're doing a mission in r7 or something

[coral gorge]

might be possible

R7 does take a long time

due to destination time

[lilac island]

henrikson and scheaffer are so cool together in the logs i love it

scheaffer is this deranged but experienced person and henrikson just woke up and doesn't get anything

[coral gorge]

henrikson is the best character (after North)

[lilac island]

who's north

[coral gorge]

(North was erased for being too cool)

[coral gorge]

alpha rundown version of hackett

erased from the game

forever in our hearts

[lilac island]

why was north erased and what did north do

[coral gorge]

ask 10 chambers

i think he was too cool

[lilac island]

what did north do

[coral gorge]

he existed

[lilac island]

are we just fans of north because he existed and then didnt

didn't the early rundowns not have lore

[coral gorge]

”we” its more like „me”

[coral gorge]

yeah

[lilac island]

i can get behind that

[coral gorge]

yay

[lilac island]

did north maybe have any voicelines that were different

or was it just a name change

[coral gorge]

i have no idea

[lilac island]

north is actually just hackett's gamer tag

[eternal talon]

yep. 2063 is the latest dated log (ogr3)

mid/late 2060s or early 2070s

[lilac island]

also i'm a little sad about teale

Being infected is bad enough but knowing exactly what's going to happen to you because you're a doctor who has seen what it does to people is rough

also canonically the parasite eats away inside your ear, so that's fun

[eternal talon]

E257
It’s scratching. Eating. Something in my ear. like earwigs in the brain, right? You know that story, right?
Teale
What story?
E257
Jesus. Earwigs in the brain!
Teale
I don’t–
E257
Earwigs can’t turn round. So if they get in your ear they just eat their way through. They can’t turn around. They can’t go back. Okay?
Teale
I don’t think earwigs do that.

[lilac island]

yeah i read that just now

and then the follow up from teale when she realizes

ohno

hewasright

and you can immediately see how it devolves into paranoia

like instantly

[eternal talon]

also what do you mean when she gets infected? we have no log mention of that as far as I can see...

for all we know she coulda' self terminated

[lilac island]

i mean when she begins showing symptoms

i don't mean she turned into a sleepo

symptoms are confirmation that you're infected right

[eternal talon]

what log?

i'm not seeing that

[lilac island]

oh one sec

https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/Rundown_7.0_Logs#D3T-INI-FNI

[eternal talon]

CTRL+F "teale" into the fandom searching through the rundown log archives

[lilac island]

** I tried everything but the more I listened to him, the more sense it made. I think… I think… he’s right. There’s that noise… that… it’s like insects in my skull. it’s there, I hear it**

[eternal talon]

ah.

[lilac island]

oh wait it had audio

i forgor

so yeah poor lad

woods is smart holy hell

They bring him out of the pod, the interviewer mentioned that he might be reverting to some old patterns, explains that he must not have faith in a god or they would have to order a reset

then woods asks if he has been reset before

that seemed smart to me for him to notice it in the moment

[harsh saffron]

Which one? I might have messed something up.

[lilac island]

now that i'm thinking about it i'm not sure if they had times

i think i clicked on an unrelated one but read that one instead

[harsh saffron]

Ah I see, it's not impossible tho, Im sure I mixed up at least 1 date

[lilac island]

"Schaeffer audio C3 #1"

It's not on the timeline i just didn't realize i read a different log

[harsh saffron]

I think thats the "Henriksson has his "Slave collar" removed" on the timeline

[crisp citrus]

It was a neck chip or something

I still don't get how they just don't have Nam-V

[eternal talon]

they certainly do

[lilac island]

everything has namv

[crisp citrus]

How are they so unaffected though

[lilac island]

because god gives his silliest battles to his funniest clowns

[harsh pike]

magic or they're somehow in a completely uninfected area

especially because you can tell by their voices they're not wearing gas masks

[crisp citrus]

Maybe the recording function is inside the mask

So it doesn't sound muffled

[harsh pike]

recording function?

They're using the site's PA system

intercom, whatever its called

[lilac island]

i dont think the masks would muffles us

we can hear each other ok

whoa what the fuck

we can remove the parasite?!

LOCS-43W-MOA-D.LOG:
" Even after the parasite is removed, the viral load increases."

so this implies that the parasite is one single thing

which can be removed from the body

so how are people saying there's bugs in their ears or under their skin

[harsh pike]

they didn't know about it

[lilac island]

didn't know about what

[harsh pike]

the parasite at the time

[lilac island]

oh

But how can you get symptoms in multiple areas if the parasite is one thing

one of teales patients even says she saw a bug crawl inside her skin or something (i can't find the log)

XMN-GBB-8B5

MIA
(exasperated) Yes, but I didn't... I woke up and felt something crawling on my head so I went to the bathroom, but when I turned on the light it... it disappeared.
TEALE
Disappeared? Did you actually see the bug?
MIA
Yes! Maybe. I don't know! I think... I think it might have burrowed... into the skin
TEALE
Into your skin?

r8f1 leak

they went pretty deep down in some places

meanwhile the lowest we go is what, 1300m?

[lilac island]

also

the devs HAVE thought of scheaffer starving

he mentions that he hasn't eaten in a week before climbing in an HSU

[eternal talon]

(but nothing after)

ah, yes, lets comment on him not eating relatively shortly after the collapse, not the 10 year gap after

[lilac island]

wait whuh

he was asleep for 7 years and then awake for the events of the game

[harsh pike]

doesn't seem to bother him at all during alt r6 or r7

[lilac island]

Guess he found something

Or just turned to cannibalizing any bodies he found
Or eating those plants

[eternal talon]

And then he catches nam-v and dies because you can't survive 3+ years with something that kills you in 5 weeks at most.

There is an army's worth of plot holes regarding schaeffer

I don't get the point in deeply analyzing much of anything around him at this stage of the game

[low folio]

i'm sorry

F?

[lilac island]

yeah

funniness

[low folio]

ima just have to cheat to get the lore for that levels

FUCK actually playing that

[lilac island]

This is not actually a leak and we probably wont have an f level but many people like the idea so i decided to take the piss

[lilac island]

well don't you need to deeply analize the game in order to have a deeper understanding of the story and world

scheaffer is just another thing you can focus on to discover things

[lilac island]

who is gallus in this? EYY-GBB-18P

[eternal talon]

I'm not near my computer, so I'm just going to assume this is the question.

Gallus = Hammerstein. It's his first name

[burnt wren]

Decided to fact check this one

[lilac island]

1411m

[burnt wren]

Yep, R7E1.

And a bunch of 1300s

[dry eagle]

Do u have more like, model views like this of other enemies (genuinely curious

[dense saffron]

I've got the whole unity project on my computer, I use it to make custom tiles for modded levels

some things look different from in game however as they don't have the correct shaders

[dry eagle]

Can i dm about the models, ive been wanting closer looks of enemies from better angles and ive got no clue how to do that

[dense saffron]

if you wana learn how to rip assets join the modding server

If you've just got some specific enemy models you want to look at I can do that

but if it's a lot it'd be better if you just ripped the assets yourself

[dry eagle]

Tysm for letting me know

[eternal talon]

Pretty quiet in here...

[raw terrace]

a bit

[burnt wren]

We did effectively run out of topics to talk about

[cold sphinx]

Lol

Lemme ignite the flame again

SO

Unit 27

We actually had to run to check on it status and extracted immediately

I do be thinkin it might have evolved but heavily affected by Nam-V for it to grow maybe a sharp knife like hands to shank Alt bishop/dauda

Poisoning them dead instantly

[coarse canyon]

Can someone help me understand why we are running into dead alts?

[cold sphinx]

@eternal talon

[gaunt sun]

how tall are the giants in irl?

[eternal talon]

~8 foot or so

[eternal talon]

What do you mean by "dead alts"? I can't elaborate further without additional context

By alt you seem to already know they are members of our squad, originating from the alt worldline

[lilac island]

loreeeeee

[raw terrace]

loreeeeeeeeee

[fresh gyro]

lor

[wet hornet]

lore :3

[dry eagle]

EIGHT FEET?? how tall are the other enemies about then too? cause I've always wondered that compared to the main 4, since they do seem pretty tall

[tranquil ridge]

who are the sleepers?

[coral gorge]

people

or rather they were people

Under the influence of a parasite and a super virus they mutated into sleepers

[bronze wing]

are the spitters people

[burnt wren]

Highly doubt it. Probably some form of an alien flora that broke out from containment.

There's also possibility it's actually parasite hives.

But probably former.

[coral gorge]

Yeah most likely another infected alien creature

which honestly im glad whatever that species was got wiped by nam-v

pre mutation they had to be even bigger dicks

[terse knoll]

Are scouts former humans or aliens?

they are taller than the prisoner

if we asume prisoner is 180 cm tall. Scout could be 2 meters tall

[solemn kraken]

Pretty sure human, as the infected aliens have a very very different look

[terse knoll]

so why the tumor for the head?

forced evolution for feelers?

[solemn kraken]

They have the same head as Shooters

[solemn kraken]

Why are there shadows?

why do shadow scouts have striker heads?

dev

[terse knoll]

we do know irl Viruses have forced mutations

here more violent

think of it Left 4 dead forced mutations

[solemn kraken]

Absolutely more violent. but the scouts definitely fit into the human Infected group.

[burnt wren]

All the sleepers so far appear human in nature one way or another.
The only exceptions are fliers and the biggest boy.

[coral gorge]

We know nam-v has a lot of mutations going around

so scouts are probably just a diff version of nam-v/parasite

[terse knoll]

so do we know the host is dead but pupeteered by the virus?

[coral gorge]

like 90% of hosts brain is gone

the only part that remains is the cranium region

however its called

so id assume the hosts consciousness is dead

[terse knoll]

how many people are in the complex?

[coral gorge]

No idea

[terse knoll]

can't have infinite sleepers

[coral gorge]

prolly couple hundreds of KSOs

and id assume there were thousands of workers

also in ALT humans on surface are also sleepers

[terse knoll]

was KSO's meant as security before collapse?

[burnt wren]

This is actually a plot hole with both sacks and mothers

[coral gorge]

Security, special operations

all that

[burnt wren]

Sleepers are capable of reproducing, it appears. They are not just infected individuals.

Not all of them anyway.

[terse knoll]

is there a "Father" specimen? We met "Mother"

[burnt wren]

Yes. You haven't seen a tank yet?

[terse knoll]

I don't think I have?

[coral gorge]

Tank is called father but it doesnt exactly serve any reproduction purposes

[terse knoll]

I only remember seeing 2 mothers

[burnt wren]

You'll like him

They are very fun to fight

[coral gorge]

unless you are solo

then its not fun

[burnt wren]

Oh yeah, bots are useless

[terse knoll]

so do mothers self reproduce?

[burnt wren]

He gobbles them up and they do nothing about it

I mean they throw children at us and presumably those children grow up eventually.

[coral gorge]

you expect us to know more about the parasite and nam-v than we actually do

and will probably never know

[terse knoll]

hmm

spawn camp those children

shotgun to the forehead as they are birthed

[burnt wren]

Half of these are just game mechanics so don't think too much into it

[coral gorge]

me looking at a primary school

i mean what

n o t h i n g

[terse knoll]

You free trial of life of 5 seconds is over

[coral gorge]

but yeah we know very little about how does the parasite work

[burnt wren]

We haven't even fucking seen him

And we can't confirm that it's the tongue

[coral gorge]

While we can assume how did certain enemies come to be, its all speculation

[burnt wren]

Deepest lore my ass

[coral gorge]

yeah it was explained to be a „bug”

if we can trust that one researcher

The respawn sacks are also a giant mystery

like how they can produce creatures without eating anything?

[burnt wren]

Sacks. Spitters. Fog.

[coral gorge]

like that breakes laws of matter

[burnt wren]

Snatcher. Fliers.

Nothing is fucking explained, nada

[coral gorge]

I mean flyers can be theorized

To be just alien fauna

same with kraken

but snatcher is human and yet

well…

it looks like it looks

so

Rundown order would be

OG R1-R7, ALT R1-R6 and then R8

and in R6D4 we jump into alternate world lines, compared to the rest of the lore it actually kinda makes sense

yes

after R7 warden yeets us into ALT

[cunning light]

They are basically set into another membrane / dimension / plane / universe or whatever you name it, parallel to ours

[coral gorge]

i still find it funny how originally R6D4 wasnt considered canon due to multiverse shenanigans…

then the main lore got multiverse

yes

og schafer is still somewhere

we hear him in alt R1A1

but in alt R6 its all alt schafer

(og schafer would never actually work with the warden)

[eternal talon]

It was always "canon" they just told us not to consider it at the time because at the time all we had was r6d4. They hadn't introduced that other stuff yet relating to multiverse travel which they later did a little bit in r6ex and a lot in r7

Not think about it too much, or whatever

The "lore for dummies" document in the pins is a great way to get yourself caught up if you haven't already

[cunning kayak]

There's weird log - 7JH-02P-EWG - does anyone know who's this convo is?

[eternal talon]

Can you post a picture? I'm not by my computer at the moment to look up the code

[cunning kayak]

I assume it's about Schaeffer, but still what the hell is going on there?

[cunning light]

This is a weird one indeed

We do not know of many other "John" in the lore

[eternal talon]

I'd assume either schaeffer or another John in the complex had a baby with this chick and the chick is undergoing symptoms of NAM-V and is getting impostor syndrome of her kid

Either that, or she is supposed to be the first "mother" variant we encounter in-game and the bit with the baby is supposed to lead into that

[burnt wren]

John is a pretty common name

Also she could be turning into a mother

Which is horrifying

[cunning kayak]

Well there's only one John in GTFO so far

Two. Including og

[burnt wren]

That we know of

Garganta is a massive facility with thousands of staff

Could be anyone

[eternal talon]

That's my thought, why not name it literally anything else? Geoffrey? Jacob? James?

Why the name of an already important lore character if it isnt that character

Iirc its writing fundamentals that two characters never share a name in a story/book

[harsh saffron]

There's also John Masterson

[burnt wren]

Also - and that's purely my speculation - Shaff might be a little bit gay.

[eternal talon]

Why, because of artus chapplan?

[burnt wren]

Yes. Their relationship gets a lot of spotlight.

Could be just bros of course.

But it is 2023

[harsh saffron]

Btw I recently added the audio portion to that log (just forgot about before) and the John doesn't sound like Schaeffer imo

[cunning kayak]

Will listen it tomorrow

[cunning light]

John being a fairly common name in the US ? Unheard of !! :D

[cunning light]

I think they are bros, but might have tried to hide their "suspicious" activities behind the romance card

[lilac island]

Work buddies

[lilac island]

was the goal of R1 to gain access to R2

I can't understand what it actually was

A1 is to gain access to b tier
B tier is to boot up the reactor in c1 to cause a gird overload
C1 is grid overload because of some bypass in d1
C2 is some decoders..?
And then D1 is just shutting down a reactor for whatever reason

we had to shut down the reactor in d1 to gain access to an escape path from d1 to r2

i think

but wtf are the decoders for

the expedition objectives are really hard to understand and piece together what they're actually doing

[burnt wren]

That's the point me thinks.

Soldiers don't need to know the bigger picture.

[coral gorge]

so i think decoders were for the warden to understand how to shut down the reactor

which clearly wasnt enough

and i think we shut down the reactor to turn off security blocking the way to R2

[burnt wren]

Most likely. Pretty much everything up to R5 is done with a singular goal - to get to KDS DEEP.

Now what are Warden's goals after that - big oof.

I don't even understand what we were doing in R6

Collecting more genome data and what not.

[solemn kraken]

R2 and R3 is baby central

R4 and R5 is KDS Deep

[toxic wagon]

Also prisoners being bad fathers and realizing the baby is still at the very beginning

[solemn kraken]

yep

[toxic wagon]

Baby returns in R6?

Or is it r7

Haven't played them in awhile

Nvm. It's r7

I'm remembering how cursed R7D1 can get.

[coral gorge]

yeah

its a diff baby tho

[coral gorge]

i think it was to get dara necesarry to run RISE

[lilac island]

And the baby is just

The mimic?

[coral gorge]

babies are made into units (mimics)

[lilac island]

And what are units doing

Do they not wake up sleepers, cause I'm pretty sure a unit woke up a scout

[coral gorge]

The units are bodies for alien minds

atleast thats what the warden uses them for

[lilac island]

wut

[burnt wren]

Conduits.

[coral gorge]

originally they were supposed to become better KSOs

[burnt wren]

They are for communicating with us. Directly.

[lilac island]

We have alien minds

[coral gorge]

ALT R6 moment

[burnt wren]

NOT Warden himself.

Someone else, but on the same team.

[lilac island]

Where the hell did they get an alien mind

How did they transplant an alien mind

Where did they get them

[coral gorge]

Ask the warden

probably the ship has alien minds in it or smth

and then they just get downloaded onto the units

we still dont know how the warden got into biocom, so id say its possible other alien/ai beings also exist somewhere

[burnt wren]

We actually have a guess now

The black crystals were observed to fuse with biocom cables and even slowed down data transfer

Maybe that's how it got in.

Which raises more questions about the nature of black crystals

[coral gorge]

yeah

what even are they

how are they invisible on thermal scopes

honestly i kinda wish we had a nightvision sight to see if the crystals are only missing on thermals or on other cameras too

[lilac island]

Do the logs that just say like

SERVER TEMP EXCEEDED 38.9c 10x

Have any lore behind them

Where it's just equipment malfunctioning

[eternal talon]

biocom servers, so presumeably KDS-DEEP

[lilac island]

what's that mean

what does KDS DEEP have to do with servers heating up

[burnt wren]

Are you talking about the Autogen found on all the terminals?

About the only relevance it has is the date, if it has any. Something bad went on that day that overheated the servers and the entire facility received a copy of one.

Most likely the day when the explosion went off?

[lilac island]

yeah that

[cunning kayak]

This. There is a log that has info about the explosion and the date of it is similar to date in auto_gen_status logs

[eternal talon]

servers are in kds deep... you asked where

kds-deep is the on-site headquarters for kovac... biocom is a kovac machine

[lilac island]

when i said where i mean like "In which case"

In which case it's just equipment malfunctioning

not asking about the actual location lol

[coral gorge]

english is a fucked up langauge

where means too many things

[eternal talon]

The police chief polices how police police.

[lilac island]

this gave me a stroke

[eternal talon]

Police police police police police police
police police police police police police
police police police police police police
police police. - Vsauce

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nb0YoRMXIY0

[terse knoll]

How do HEL guns work?

some sort like a rail gun?

they can over pen sleepers when normal bullets cant

[raw terrace]

they hybrid electro-thermal lightgas guns

work with gas

thats what the HEL stands for

[finite vine]

wait so the conduits are other humans, and not the aliens/ the warden?

[eternal talon]

It's complicated. Biologically they are human, but they are being "possessed", for lack of a better term, by alien consciousness

[coral gorge]

basically: they are human clones, possesed by aliens

[burnt wren]

Proxies.

[harsh pike]

yeah

[honest summit]

I Wonder how you can refill them using regular ammopacks. Although how Tool refill can both fill up mines and C-foam is a bigger mystery

[coral gorge]

game mechanics

[timid sparrow]

I mean if it were realistic every single tool and gun would require a seperate refill pack which would be masochistic to design and play around

[coral gorge]

yeah

"hey guys i found a tool refill for mines!... wait we didnt bring mines... fuck"

[timid sparrow]

and "why are they only giving us HEL autopistol ammo"

[coral gorge]

"okay guys next run we bring 4 auto pps"

proceed to get good gun ammo

[burnt wren]

The pack do appear to have icons of different ammo types on it

So I guess it's canon that it is some sort of universal ammo pack, with a little bit of everything

[lilac island]

could you imagine

i mean the devs could probably attempt to do this by using calibers

each type of gun shares a caliber with other guns

so you dont have 22 different ammo packs, you have like 6

or something

[timid sparrow]

they could but most of the gun suggest they dont share calibers with another

[lilac island]

"close enough" calibers would be good enough

like sniper and hel gun, same ammo

all shotguns take the same shells

etc

[timid sparrow]

true

[stiff lichen]

Issue I’d see with that is having like ten rounds and desperately trying to find your caliber for the next half hour before you try to unlock a security checkpoint

[cold sphinx]

@lilac island

you free?

[lilac island]

i am currently not in prison

yes

[cold sphinx]

oops wrong chat

wanted u in our squad

[lilac island]

okae i am comin

[cold sphinx]

155

[toxic wagon]

Some BR Ammo type shenanigans

AR Ammo / Sniper Ammo/ Shotgun Ammo / SMG-Pistol Ammo

[lilac island]

i wonder what the significance of secondary objectives are to the warden

they are not critical to his goal but also it's ok with you going for them regardless

and you also have free will to choose not to

My instinct tells me that either warden would want this done, and thus order you to complete secondaries,
or
The secondary isn't important enough to risk the resources, and it would order you not to go for it and risk your lives for nothing.
Especially since secondaries get in the way of your main obj

like imagine if the warden just wants some samples from r5a2 but it loses 24 prisoners who all went for PE, even though it's not critical for success. That'd make no sense, right?

[harsh pike]

I doubt there's much canonical lore

if we're not forced to, I see no reason the squad would ever risk their lives more than necessary

[solar nova]

What is the symbolism behind Dauda's dream?

Is he perfectly calm because he's a different person w/out his memories, and thus guilt free?

Or is it because he is in a metaphorical purgatory for his actions, and subconsciously believes that he deserves what he's experiencing?

[solemn kraken]

Canonnically the team does all missions, all objectives first try without dying. Twice (OG and Alt). So we are doing them, if the warden wants em ... hell if I know

[solar nova]

Chad theory wins out.

Or this quantum chad theory?

[lilac island]

Well, there's also intercepted transmissions which means that other teams were there before us

So the warden is losing prisoners

[lilac island]

Which dream

[solemn kraken]

Oh absolutely, I am talking about our team specifically.

[burnt wren]

At this point we can't even be sure that those transmissions aren't just us from the other realities

And it would explain so much how we never find the bodies, the signs of fighting, none of the doors are broken, objectives are still where they are untouched...

[solemn kraken]

I mean it would make sense there are other teams and also after KDS DEEP it would be highly surprising if there aren't other KSO's doing work for the warden

[harsh saffron]

https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/Rundown_005_Logs#245_ST-555.LOG

[solemn kraken]

Lazy devving

That's it

It's the same as no toilets in the complex (except the one)

[burnt wren]

That's true, but literally nothing is stopping them from retconing this

Multiverse is a cart-blansh when it comes to these things

[lilac island]

I would not say dauda is calm during that dream if he wakes up screaming in a sweat

It's an intense nightmare

[solemn kraken]

Well, I would like to see em explain KDS DEEP then. but I highly doubt they gon retcon this. it's just gonna stay .... like this

[lilac island]

What's wrong with kds deep

[solemn kraken]

2500 KSO's. so if you would follow Arteks logic it would have to be all alternate versions of us OR there would need to be an explanation why the warden doesn't use all those KSO's

[lilac island]

Cause it doesn't have access to them

[solemn kraken]

It has

[lilac island]

That's the point of r5 right

What

[solemn kraken]

we give it to him in R5E1

[lilac island]

Well yes

And then he uses them

[solemn kraken]

So the warden is using other teams at least R6 onwards

[lilac island]

There could be completely different objective stacks that we're not seeing

[solemn kraken]

Well if you'd follow Arteks logic above: Not. which I highly doubt like you

[harsh saffron]

Nah, that's easy:
The communications are teams attempting the exact same mission in other timelines
The other thousand KSO in our timeline do some other missions altogether.

[lilac island]

They go do reactors off screen or whatever

[harsh saffron]

Not saying thats what I believe but could be an explanation ^^

[solemn kraken]

I agree with you. it's Artek who wants to explain lack of fight signs

[solemn kraken]

That COULD be an explanation

Would have to look more closely at those messages

[lilac island]

I don't think our guys are killing themselves

Or each other

[solemn kraken]

No one said that

[lilac island]

In some transmissions it is heavily implied

[solemn kraken]

Ugh now I gotta go and actually read the transmissions 😭

[lilac island]

In r5 something something someone commits suicide

In r6 i think somone murders another because they didn't go on a scan

[harsh saffron]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/gtfo_gamepedia_en/images/4/40/ALT_R6B2.png/revision/latest?cb=20230916122202
Like this one

[lilac island]

Yes

I don't think our group would have this much infighting

To the point where you just execute them out of frustration

[solemn kraken]

Does not sound like our group

So in other words I was right. Warden uses other groups and it's just lazy devving

[terse knoll]

no those are transmissions from the previous teams

our guys are alive and well

[solemn kraken]

Read the whole convo

That's not the debated point

Our guys are basically this universes DOOM slayer variants. they never die. (well except their Alt versions)

[terse knoll]

what you mean ALT die?

[burnt wren]

There are some familiar looking corpses in R6CX

[solemn kraken]

Alt bishop and Alt hackett corpses in R6Cx

[terse knoll]

that sounds like a timeline error

how do we do rest of R6 with half of the team dead?

[solemn kraken]

we play OG team

ALT bishop and Alt hackett are dead

even in Alt rundowns we are still OG team

[terse knoll]

but we are in an alt timeline?

[solemn kraken]

yep

So our team has done EVERY mission of R1 -R6 first try all objectives... 2 times

[terse knoll]

so OG earth team is in the ALT timeline during R6?

[solemn kraken]

during Alt R6. we did OG R6 as well ofc and there were no dead bishop and hackett corpses there (cause THAT would make it problematic)

[terse knoll]

how can og and alt teams coexist in same timeline?

[solemn kraken]

In OG R6 is Schaeffer that kills the unit

In Alt R6 Alt bishop, the unit and Alt Hackett get ambushed by sleepers I think??

[terse knoll]

so OG Schaeffer kills Bishop and Hackett?

nevermind I didnt read the second line

[solemn kraken]

Multiverse and teleportation shenanigans...

Something happened in or just after R7E1

[lilac island]

By the way

[solemn kraken]

Yeah I saw. it has to be other teams. So the other theory does not stand

[lilac island]

This is one of the saddest transmissions

Ever

Only rivaled by r1d1

[burnt wren]

Debatable. We can already see slight deviations is psychological profiles of ALT people. And Warden has access to like a million membranes. I'm sure you'll eventually find one where our guys are unhinged enough to do something like that.

[lilac island]

Maybe so

[burnt wren]

Whem in doubt: Bishop is weak link.

I can 100% see him shooting himself.

[lilac island]

Really? Why

I'm interested

[coral gorge]

alt dauda and bishop die

hackett and woods are (most likely) alive

[burnt wren]

Woods and Hackett appear to be natural born killers and thrive in this environment, so they're out of the question.

This leaves two odd ones out: Dauda and Bishop.
Dauda is basically just a scientist, and Bishop is a blackmailer. No combat experience that we know of.

But also Bishop is the most victimised out of the 4. His crimes were the least heinous, and yet he was the most clinging to his old life - he was basically kidnapped and forced into being a KSO, much against his complaints.

I also get the most jumpy and unstable vibes from him. So he's the first on my list, with Dauda being close second.
...
Interestingly it was precisely these two we find at the end of CX.
Woods and Hackett proving themselves to be the warriors that they are once again.

[lilac island]

i think dauda is too scared to die and bishop is too angry to die

bishop's anger survived 12 months of hydrostasis

he is going to piss on davis' grave one way or another

[burnt wren]

Maybe. But he doesn't even remember him anymore, probably.

[lilac island]

well hacket and woods dont remember their lives either but they're still warriors

dauda doesn't (probably?) but he is still scared of death

and i would assume bishop is still angery

[solemn kraken]

Sorry, Dauda

[solar nova]

But it's both. In that version, he wakes up screaming. In the trailer, he's not, he's "perfectly calm."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-y_N-3t7tI

[lilac island]

kinda wish they went forward with more gameplay mechanics like welding or whatever

right now all we got is alarms, cfoam and terminals

you don't interact as much with the environment is what i mean

like what if you could risk torch cutting a security door

[burnt wren]

Could potentially be op or rudimentary

Either you just feed all the tool to it and break every door without alarm, or it's like a limited use of 1 - 2 with no ability to refill and like... That's soooo situational and is still potentially very broken.

Imagine just skipping any or both of the team scans in R7C1

[lilac island]

i guess so. Idk i feel like we need more gadgets and thingies

[burnt wren]

I agree, but coders can only do so much before thing get too complicated

If we had source - we would at least have physics. I wanna move barrels.

[solemn kraken]

They can't balance the game as is. Imagine adding more

[lilac island]

like

that xray/sonic mapping tool was cool

in that trailer

[solemn kraken]

Yep but we got: biotracker instead

[lilac island]

bio tracker is honestly boring

[burnt wren]

Well actually

[solemn kraken]

It does what it needs to do.

[burnt wren]

Mapper could potentially be very op on thick fog maps

Just counters it to shit.

[lilac island]

that's the point

and then it's basically useless on other maps with lights and no fog

like shotguns

good here bad there

[solemn kraken]

Shotgun are good on any map tho ....

[lilac island]

well u get the point

situationally strong items

[solemn kraken]

yes, the example was just ...

[solemn kraken]

Yes for the mapper. shotguns are just always good in this game.

[solemn kraken]

Level is already so short. 😅

[burnt wren]

Even if it only had one use players can bring 4 of them and just skip 4 alarm doors of their choice

Thsts about as many as you have to do on an average map

Too good to be true.

At best: one per player, one use per mission, probably still causes a mini alarm scout style

And it'd still be OP

[solemn kraken]

R5E1 open last cell door just like that

yeah seems balanced

[burnt wren]

Or the final surge door for that matter

[solemn kraken]

Or R2E1 error door.

Nah you'd have to remake the whole game to balance a tool like that

[burnt wren]

Exactly

Mapper is far more tame compared to that. Literally just raw info.

[solemn kraken]

the mapper at least would not need a complete remake of the game. so you are right there. but then you'd have to differentiate mapper and bio enough. Otherwise one will just never be picked

And looking at the sentries, I am not optimistic

[burnt wren]

The ultimate question is: should it show items? Cells, fog turbines? Terminals?

[lilac island]

what are error doors actually

we got one in r3c1

how do u turn it off

or do you just not

[solemn kraken]

Depends

[burnt wren]

An alarm that Warden cannot shut off normally with some scans

[solemn kraken]

If game says nothing: you dont

[burnt wren]

Either they are infinite or shut off by different means.

[solemn kraken]

If game says turn off at terminal_123, you turn off at terminal_123

Spoiler: R3C1, you dont

[solemn kraken]

But it's basically an alarm door without multiple scans and the alarm doesn't shut it when you finish the teamscan

And you about to encounter A LOT of them

[candid onyx]

Hey what's the lore-side of shooter's projectiles? Like what is it that they shoot

I think I've seen spores mentioned somewhere but can't remember where

[coral gorge]

acid

Or some other corrosive luqid

atleast thats what it seems to be

[candid onyx]

Hmm yes

The characters do react super dramatically being hit by the projectiles

In comparison to the small dmg

[burnt wren]

We have no fucking idea really

Could be anything really

Overheated spinal fragments, spores, bees...

[coral gorge]

the sounds hint its corrosive

[burnt wren]

Maybe even parasite himself

Maybe someone could drop in with some mods and take some point blank screenshots of some

[coral gorge]

they are just balls no?

but when you get hit it sounds like smth is melting

[burnt wren]

Big shrug

Corrosive substance could make sense

Like xenomorph spit

Doesn't explain flying or homing properties though

[coral gorge]

Obv it would make no sense on how it homes in

but thats prolly just

a g a m e m e c h a n i c

[burnt wren]

Yeah...

[candid onyx]

Maybe a bee that splats into corrosive goop on impact

40K tyranids had some weapons along those lines

[burnt wren]

I remember something like that, yeah... Brrrrr. Nyds are a fucking menace.

[eternal talon]

because "timeline" is the wrong word that people keep using out of habit. there isn't time travel. its different worldlines, basically a different universe either wildly, or in this case, only slightly different from our own

[cunning light]

Think of Sliders, the TV show. If you do not have that reference, that is probably because you are not almost 40 like I am.

[eternal talon]

where did you hear that? iirc its bone

[coral gorge]

wot

really?

how does one shoot bone out of their skull

[coral gorge]

i assumed off of the sounds ingame you hear after being hit

didnt think bone can sound corrosive

[eternal talon]

also there are variants of shooters (unused) that give infection. those would be impossible with acid

but point being, acid can't really be flung like that into a projectile.

no liquid can really, to that levels of precision where it bends to hit the target

granted bone cant either, but its more plausible

i dont remember where i heard that it was bone, certainly looooooooooong ago ~ogr6 time.

it may be accurate, it may be not, i've not seen anyone talk about shooter projectiles really at all in years

[short gazelle]

Tbf is sounds more like fire sizzling, than acid.

Could be a super-heated tumor/growth

[burnt wren]

Inb4 little black crystal shards

[eternal talon]

apparently this is what the shooter projectile looks like

[final sentinel]

iirc that sound was added in R7

[coral gorge]

uhhhh doesnt seem very accurate to me

[coral gorge]

well who knows if its lore or not then

[eternal talon]

and these are the other ones (projectiles from diff enemies)

[coral gorge]

id assume these arent what they actually look like (lore wise)

[eternal talon]

ripped straight from unity so dont know what to tell you

[coral gorge]

yeah im guessing these arent lore accurate

[crisp citrus]

they are throwing gold bars at me???

[eternal talon]

there is no shooter projecitle lore though??

[coral gorge]

and thats the problem

[crisp citrus]

idk they shoot shooter juice at you

[eternal talon]

extremely low texture =/= golden 2x4s.

[crisp citrus]

i am inclined to disagree

[coral gorge]

w h e r e i s m y g a m e p l a y m e c h a n i c l o r e

[eternal talon]

back in the abyss, with all sleepers desintigrating when only the white ones do in lore.

[coral gorge]

yay

off to abyss i go

[eternal talon]

https://tenor.com/view/cave-dive-darkness-leap-gif-5803442

[coral gorge]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa-

[eternal talon]

Clarification: did you mean accurate as in, what is in game, or accurate as in how shooter darts have a light homing aspect to them?

[crude jacinth]

Maybe not accurate but definitely liable to cause tissue damage

Although at the velocity they fire at wouldn't be too effective

You could probably take 20 or so of those in a row before collapsing

[lilac island]

it's a ranged punch

[toxic wagon]

is this like before it's rendered/Animated?

[eternal talon]

I didn't get these pictures, Brandon't did. But imo it doesn't look like it is rendered. unity usually has the infinite-skybox view for that.

[harsh pike]

i've never noticed any sort of actual object in their spit. it just seems like a ball of light that burns

[eternal talon]

-- i also don't know the size of these models. they could be tiny and just have that huge aura surrounding them

[harsh pike]

also true

bone doesn't make a lot of sense to me IMO, where are they getting it from and why does it glow

[eternal talon]

i mean bone is easier for your body to make than xenomorph acid

[harsh pike]

i don't think it's acidic, i think i'ts just incredibly high temperature kind of burning but i don't know how they'd do it

[eternal talon]

bone shards also tend to kinda look like most of the models

[lilac island]

the projectiles make no sense at all

they track, they stay mid air, they travel long distances

this is some advanced shit

[solemn kraken]

Gameplay. has no lore

[lilac island]

except when it does

[solemn kraken]

This doesn't tho.

[timid sparrow]

or bees

glowing bees

[normal abyss]

Will someone explain the alt shaufeer, like what doesn’t he want from me, he won’t stop talking to me in d1

[wary portal]

Bro says trust warden

[normal abyss]

But like why

What are theories

[burnt wren]

He talked to mimic instead of killing him this time.
Mimic spilled the beans. Warden is working on evacuating humanity to a different membrane. Alt Schaeffer works for him now.

[normal abyss]

Well I’m glad the warden is thinking of us

Thank you

[terse knoll]

Clearly warden wants to save us or he would be out of a job

[burnt wren]

Assuming he doesn't lie

Not sure how much we can trust some interdimensional alien known only as "the collector" because he likes collecting.

Inb4 we are just another item in the collection.

[normal abyss]

So do we collect boosters then for him or us

Cause if it’s for him that’s cool

[loud urchin]

I'm wondering right, there's the whole thing of "we swapped time/worldline in r7e1" isn't there

but can that really be the case if you complete the level without completing the sustain scan

[crisp citrus]

U can tell by the glow stick

[loud urchin]

like, you don't teleport at all, and then what are you supposed to think

[crisp citrus]

That we teleported in lore

[loud urchin]

hm I guess there is the different dates on all the logs and stuff

I don't know, there's probably another possibility in there somewhere

[burnt wren]

Considering it's next to impossible to do that without some sort of non-canon bug abuse...

Also we don't have an official confirmation when EXACTLY did we jumped

[loud urchin]

we got pretty close last night

[burnt wren]

It's a non canon behavior either way. Canonical prisoners will not just pass the opportunity to fulfill the objective stack AND to not get rid of the immortal.

[solemn kraken]

If that's the case explain the red glowsticks in OG R1 -R3 and the Orange glowsticks in Oktober 2021 for OG R5

And @eternal talon in the document it seems to be saying that there is just 1 matterwave projector while we know there to be at least 2

It is not a singular unique artefact

[crisp citrus]

Beta

All alt levels have yellow sticks

Main ones have green because old worldline

[burnt wren]

Much to my shigrin

[solemn kraken]

Wasn't beta tho

[burnt wren]

Literally the worst colour

[crisp citrus]

Beta as in they are old

[burnt wren]

Fuckers couldn't pick literally anything else?

[crisp citrus]

All alt levels are yellow glowsticks

[loud urchin]

as it turns out, I cannot spell that word either

[crisp citrus]

Only r7 has green

Cause it's the old worldline

[loud urchin]

english language fucking sucks, chagrin

[crisp citrus]

Idk why you are even arguing against it when it's true

[solemn kraken]

Still applicable tho. I agree that the Alt differentiates themselves with yellow. But still the OG timeline had red glowsticks and Orange glowsticks which kinda is an oversight

[crisp citrus]

U just said it's an oversight

[burnt wren]

I mean, that was for a limited event time right?

[solemn kraken]

Yes, lazy devving

[crisp citrus]

game oversights aren't lore

[burnt wren]

Events like that are usually not canon

[crisp citrus]

They are oversights

[solemn kraken]

Nope red glowsticks were there full on

And R1-R3 are part of the original timeline

[crisp citrus]

If u try and incorporate game mechanics and developer oversight into lore it just becomes a mess

[burnt wren]

Hm. I guess rundown 5 is truly the cursed area of the complex.

[solemn kraken]

No my point is that the glowstick argument is a mess because the devs were just lazy

[solemn kraken]

Red was for R1 to R3

And you actually had both green and red.

[burnt wren]

Huh. Weird.

[loud urchin]

og r4 sitting right there with both green and red glowsticks

[solemn kraken]

mb R1-R4

Devs wanted to do a "fancy" : look glowsticks are yellow now you are in Alt kinda feel but then overlook what it could potentially mean for OG timeline

And then another one: OG R6D4 has green glowsticks on All different realities. Alt R6D4 has yellow in All realities

no consistency

[burnt wren]

It is what it is

[solemn kraken]

Yep.

[solemn kraken]

Cause if you stick to the glowsticks to say we tp in R7E1... then why after TP are the glowsticks still green?

[burnt wren]

We still have no idea when we TPd, truly. Could be between deployments even.

[solemn kraken]

Well now it has to be ofc

All I am saying is that the glowstick thing is yet again a poorly implemented clue

[burnt wren]

Eh. Nothing a little retcon can't fix.

They were always green, you see

[solemn kraken]

lemme load up OG R1 for you

[burnt wren]

Doesn't even matter, they just have to say it.

[solemn kraken]

They could kinda fix it (they won't) by patching Alt R6D4 and meaby R7E1 if they intended that to be the spot

[burnt wren]

Hence the other guy's "it's beta" argument

[solemn kraken]

Which doesn't stand when majority of OG timeline had them 😂

[crisp citrus]

The past is malleable

[burnt wren]

Still beta though

[crisp citrus]

I Believe They Were Green

[burnt wren]

You can see it in everything

[crisp citrus]

They Were Meant To Be Green

[burnt wren]

UI design, lore logs... The game was coming into shape as it went on.

[crisp citrus]

The red glowsticks and orange ones or whatever are just a bad dream

[solemn kraken]

Still leaves R7E1 and Alt R6D4 then for you

[burnt wren]

Which is partially the reason we are in this mess to begin with, but still.

[crisp citrus]

The oversight of developers can be overlooked

In the end

[solemn kraken]

there were red and green ones simultanously so that's out the window

[crisp citrus]

Old line is meant to be green

New is yellow

Any inconsistencies are mistakes

[crisp citrus]

It was just a bad dream dont think too hard about it

They were always green

[solemn kraken]

Sure 👍

[eternal talon]

they were already theirs, insight just took them as artifacts from their ship. why warden wants them back, who knows.