gtfo-lore

[eternal talon]

point being they cant interact with world objects.

when they face something they cant just walk, they noclip

[crisp citrus]

They can pick up objectives

[eternal talon]

only when told. they cant on their own

[crisp citrus]

Yea so a recode of the AI in a mod

That lets them do it on their own

[eternal talon]

they have limited controls for an "oh sit drop it and shoot" function, but even that keeps them in place

[crisp citrus]

I'm saying a mod to make the bots do things for themselves

[eternal talon]

they wont really move without picking it back up again

[crisp citrus]

Ok think about it like this, there's an objective on the floor and you tell a bot to pick it up. You then walk to where it has to go, the bot drops it, and you put the objective where it goes. What I'm saying is a mod that lets bots move to objective items, pick them up, move to where the objective goes, and then has them put the objective in its spot.

I'm aware it would basically just be an entirely new AI system

But it'd be cool to have 4 bots just do missions

[eternal talon]

mods cant do that sadly, literally all AI is 10cc server side. we've only recently figured out how to (client side) make them change apparel. <-- and this is with plugin magic too

any changes to the bots are 10cc exclusive

[crisp citrus]

AHHHGHH

dream ruined

I'll have to break in to 10cc server room and do it myself

What about the betterbots mod on thunderstore

[cobalt mulch]

i was dreaming of telling a bot to go get corrupted uplink codes, "read" them and put them up on text chat. i know, i know. sigh.

[eternal talon]

** Place BetterBots.dll into the BepInEx\plugins folder.** looks like plugin magic, but even so seems incredibly limited with what it can do and hasn't been updated in months

[crisp citrus]

lol that'd be so nice

[crisp citrus]

Doomed, but it does mean there's some stuff that can happen

The way it'd have to work is a mod that lets you play as all 4 players, then you have the AI run that way

That'd let you bypass the 10cc thing

[eternal talon]

that'd kill your pc performance.

[crisp citrus]

Yeah

Have 4 friends run it too so you can divide the load

You each bot yourself

It'd be like a TV show

[eternal talon]

honestly chief, this game is nowhere near popular enough for that to be worth even attempting to develop... and if it requires 4 players... just play wit 4 players lol

they didn't change the board or anything in schaeffer's den, only removed the log. strange. maybe alt//schaeff may be getting his own maddox (doing it correctly this time with the help of the warden) and henriksson

[eternal talon]

(ignore actual contents of this picture. it is old, OLD, from before they fixed it in ogr6)

[crude jacinth]

Wait I didn't have to lug all three of those cells myself? Fucking lazy bots

[crisp citrus]

If you open the comms with c

And go to objectives, you can tell a bot to carry one

But they have to be close to it

[raw terrace]

nah

they just need to be in the same area

[crisp citrus]

I've tried when the bot wasn't close and it just wasn't an option

[raw terrace]

so if it is a huge room and it is the same area, press C they will do the travelin for u

probs was a room divider

but i always tell em on r3b2 to get the first cell

and they travel like, 100 meters for it

[crisp citrus]

Can you get them to pick up items you haven't seen yet?

[raw terrace]

yeah absolutely

[crisp citrus]

Lol what

[raw terrace]

if u go in r2c1 and just open the door with the fog turbine u can right away tell em to go for it, i never even seen where it spawns

[crisp citrus]

I can tell a bot to find a power cell by just walking around areas with one and trying it over and over

?

[raw terrace]

yeah
just go into the area and as soon as the bots in it u can tell em to pick it

[crude jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/kiryu-desk-slam-kiryu-yakuza-angry-leaving-gif-14587684

[lost drum]

Maddox is not crossed out on the ALT board

Or am I confused?

[harsh pike]

this is before the theoretical alt r7 where he got maddox out and his brain go melted

[burnt wren]

Yep.

[dense saffron]

all AI is 10cc server side
idk what you're talking about here, all AI is run on the client

there is no 10cc server that handles ai, the game is p2p

no ones improved the ai really because working with il2cpp is ass and none of the people who know how to do it care enough about bots to try

[eternal talon]

Old old old Pic. This was OGR6 launch day. They fubbed the board and had to hot-fix it. Maddox shouldn't be crossed out. Not in og, not in alt.

[eternal talon]

How come people say editing the bots isn't possible? I've been told setting up pre-selected cosmetics for them and custom names isn't possible

[dense saffron]

without writing a custom plugin to do it, it's impossible

[eternal talon]

Woulda been a really handy thing for immersion in custom rundowns

[dense saffron]

but everything in gtfo is handled by the client / host, there are no external servers (besides the drop server which handles boosters and cosmetic drops)

[eternal talon]

Well yeah, I was asking about plugins. This was a long time ago, before pt went live on thunderstore

Guess someone lied to me or pretended to know or whatever

[dense saffron]

it's totally doable with plugins, would just be ass to do it because il2cpp

[eternal talon]

What is il2cpp?

[dense saffron]

compilation step that turns c# IL code into c++ code for greater efficiency

IL code is super easy to decompile and view, where as IL code that's been run through il2cpp it's super annoying to decompile to view

you have to use special decompilation tools to view the body of methods, which is why no one has really messed too much with the bots

since decompiling the code to see what it does would be too much effort

[eternal talon]

That's really sad. There is tons of potential there

I know I saw a picture somebody did with custom cosmetics on them relatively recently

[dense saffron]

i think you can do that just by editing datablocks but im not sure

[eternal talon]

*ogr6 extension launch day, not ogr6

[dense saffron]

haven't really looked into bots

[eternal talon]

If thats in there, I'd love to find it. Guess I have to have a look next time I'm working on PT

[dense saffron]

maybe 10cc will grace us with another accidentally uploaded mono build

[wary portal]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/858443854540570645/1155977269005783131/image.png?width=2356&height=1326

any idea what state of truth guy is referring to

like dreyfus took his gf and... made a copy?

[burnt wren]

I think he believed that she was a mole sent to spy on him. There is a possibility he could also believe that she was an actual clone / doppelganger too, but the vibe i get is that he just uses colourful words to attempt to cope with what he did.

[lost drum]

Maddox: survives. Prisoners in the next Rundown:

Maddox was supposed to be a weapons expert

[solar nova]

Sounds like Capgras delusion.

[solar nova]

In-lore justification for buffing Burst Cannon, finally.

[dense saffron]

My guess is she got NAM-V and now hes succumbing to it

[eternal talon]

110% looks to me like he was going nam-v stir-crazy and killed his wife

[burnt wren]

Now that you mention it...

People around garganta constantly report hearing sounds, calling out into the darkness...

But we can't be sure if that the virus or the parasite

[eternal talon]

Same with the teal interview logs. Remember that log with the (I forget the percent) of santonian staff reporting psychological disturbances?

[burnt wren]

To me is just seems how Mr Conspiracy Theory went insane when all his conspiracy proved to be true as world succumbed to the pandemic around him. What's one more conspiracy compared to that, right?

Combined with him having wrong memories because of reality tom-fuckery, finding recordings he doesn't remember...

The man was already in "i must act" mindset, so as more and more insane crap started piling on in his life - it just gave way to this.

[eternal talon]

The last thing I expect from 10cc writers is a quality subplot about TSOT slowly losing his mind due to the world around him becoming exactly as foretold.

Is prolly just nam-v

(But whoses am I to say)

[wary portal]

I like this theory more

Frosty can you rewrite the gtfo lore pls

And lets make yours cannon

[eternal talon]

No

[eternal talon]

PT is entirely separate from garganta, on the other side of the globe, even

[lost drum]

I've read all the ALT://R6 logs and I have a lot of questions.

What was Mr. truth talking about in his logs?

What is this strange log we got in D4? It mentions the name John.

Who was Schaeffer talking to in D1? Why did he side with Warden? What could this all mean?

What are the dead bodies at the end of R6CX (the old DX)? What happened there?

Are there any other interesting questions I might have missed? Please tell me what you were able to find. What did you find out that was interesting

[raw terrace]

hey they were just talkin of thatfirst one rn

and that last one all week skdmkm

[lost drum]

Sorry) Very interested in gtfo history, but I don't know English well, so I often have to translate your posts. If there are a lot of them, I have difficulties with it

But I'll try)

[eternal talon]

1: you need to be more specific. Truth has a lot of logs.

2: John is Schaeffer's first name.

3: He was talking to a Unit. Controlling the Unit was a Collector, one of the aliens that built the ship and the artifacts we collect during gameplay. The warden is also a Collector.

4: They are the bodies of Bishop and Dauda. (from the ALT// dimension.) All of ALT// takes place in this different dimension that we, (our squad and Schaeffer) traveled to after r7e1.

5: I would highly reccomend reading the "For Dummies" doccument in the pins of this channel if you are interested in being caught up with the lore.

[lost drum]

1. I think you've discussed this recently. Did he kill someone? In the log, he was literally crying and saying things he didn't understand.

2. Of course I know Schaeffer's name is John. But there was a weird lore in D4 where that name was mentioned. And I wasn't sure if it said Schaeffer, or if it was just a coincidence. There was just a really weird log

3. Do they collect species? Then what role does the virus play? Is it their work?

4. Stop. I always thought that in ALT Rundowns we play as ALT characters. Did we actually go from R7 to the ALT world? Holy crap. How do we get back then?

5. I've read absolutely everything: your document (A very long time ago, maybe it's been updated?), all the logs, your posts. I just sometimes miss important details because of the huge amount of information, sorry)

[clear furnace]

Woah wait...The Warden is an alien?

I gotta go through the R6 logs...

[eternal talon]

1: yes, his wife. The log in question was posted as a .png file above, I was responding to that.

2: How "Wierd"? If you can look on the wiki and give me the log #, I would be happy to have a look at it.

3: Yes. As Hammerstein mentioned, they were collecting tons of species from different universes. These specimens were eventually found by him in their ship, the fossil, and placed in display cases for... whatever reason. He probably wanted to show off what he found.

4: Yes, -- As the log between Schaeffer and the Collector mentions, they plan to transport us to a worldline clean of the virus and the parasite... somehow. Probably through the use of the Matter Wave Projector. It then instructed us to destroy the device once we make it through.

5: Yes. I update it every time there is a new major update with information from every log that comes with that. -- You don't need to apologize. GTFO Lore is a mess at the best of times.

[eternal talon]

Yes... give me a moment.

[lost drum]

I was talking about it:

//HearSay auto-transcript begins//

VOICE 1
You can do this. They can't force you to stay here.

VOICE 2
Viola? This is ridiculous, come out and talk to me!

VOICE 1
Shut up. What's this baby to you anyway? You're supposed to be on my side! But you don't care about me, do you? What are you doing? You always do this, why can't you just listen to me? I don't want this, I'm telling you the baby– It's wrong. It's wrong! It's... using me. A mother knows... you know. You're the one who's blind here. You can't see gross... I'll show you. You'll see. Come on. Come on! No–

VOICE 2
In here.

VOICE 1
No!

VOICE 3
Sedate her.

VOICE 1
I'll show you John. I love you! I love you. Let me show you. John!

//HearSay auto-transcript ends//

[eternal talon]

Sadly there is no audio variant of this transcript, but Schaeffer is the only noteable John we know of in canon.

[lost drum]

How about John Masterson - E162 | Sanitation

[eternal talon]

John Masterson E162 - Santonian Mining Company - Sanitation
John Schaeffer C067 - Santonian Mining Company - Operations Lead was literally about to post that lol

could be, though we cannot say for sure.

[lost drum]

We hacked Biocom in R7, and we interfered with Warden. In response, he (or someone else) sent us to the ALT universe. There we are met by a more adequate Schaeffer, who tells us that Warden is actually good. And then, in R8, we go back to the original world, and now we're going to help Warden?

[eternal talon]

4 cont:

[clear furnace]

Schaffer Boss Battle

[lost drum]

But wait. It turns out that when we arrived in the ALT universe, Warden immediately realized what was wrong (How?). He sent the old team away, and sent us to do the work the ALT characters were supposed to do?

[eternal talon]

We hacked Biocom in R7, and we interfered with Warden. In response, he (or someone else) sent us to the ALT universe. There we are met by a more adequate Schaeffer, who tells us that Warden is actually good. correct. -- And then, in R8, we go back to the original world, and now we're going to help Warden? I do not know and it is hard to say. It is equally likely that when our Schaeffer catches up to us there may be a massive shift. Who's to say he doesn't free us as he did Henrikkson? To say the least, alt//schaeffer's motives are... shady. Its a promise from an all powerful species far more advanced than humanity. We are dying. They have us by the metaphorical balls and have no real reason to actually fulfill their end of the bargain.

them offering us safe passage to an uninfected worldline is nothing short of 'being nice'. It'd be easier for them to just let us die to the sleepers like all the rest.

(which is part of why i feel it is horrible writing that removes player agency)

[harsh pike]

if they really are 'collectors' of everything, it'd make sense they'd want humanity

why they only reached out after 96% of humanity is dead or infected, who knows

[harsh pike]

but also yeah it is a REALLY weird alien ex machina

if R8 gives us the choice i'm siding with OG Schaeffer and seeing what happens

[eternal talon]

same. 100% #NotMySchaeffer

[lost drum]

But I still don't get it. Is the virus an alien development? Or is it a third party? So many logs hint that the virus is the pinnacle of life

[harsh pike]

corrupting biocom/WRDN felt like a much more interesting storyline that they didn't know how to continue

[eternal talon]

id' rather die on my terms, not to old age in a world we are barely equipped to handle. Remember, all of our squads are sociopaths. We are not suited for a normal life

[eternal talon]

we do not know. It could be either or, Or it could have been a bioweapon they found.

[harsh pike]

and if we do get a happy ending i'd wan't the main 4 to BE the cause, to work for it

now "oh hey, there's aliens now and they wanna save you. idk why either. buy cyber heist."

[eternal talon]

with the multiverse at play, the possibilities are literally infinite

there are an infinite number of NAM-Vs with an infinite number of origins.

hell, to help show a sense of scale, there could be a worldline where nam-v originated from a McWhopper in 1912 that had really bad mold growing on it

[lost drum]

But if aliens are so cool, why is their ship at the bottom of our earth? That doesn't really seem like part of their plan. I'd like to think they're not as powerful as they seem

[harsh pike]

if the devs weren't cowards this would be the alt canon

[eternal talon]

it was not. Their ship crashed here. If they intentionally brought the virus and the parasite onboard... is unclear

[harsh pike]

IIRC the aliens and 'collector's are separate species?

[eternal talon]

allens = collectors.

[harsh pike]

ohh

[eternal talon]

the species of aliens currently are (humans) (floaters) (kraken) (collectors)

[harsh pike]

that makes it a little less of an ex machina

[eternal talon]

floaters and kraken are native fauna belonging to destination. humans are from earth obviously, and we have not a single clue about the collectors

at the very least, they can travel between worldlines incredibly easily

[lost drum]

Even if it is ALT Schaeffer, I think I know the character. He's strong, independent. When the corporation was covering up crimes, he's someone who wasn't afraid of threats. He will seek justice. He won't let people be ruled by some aliens. I think he's fooling them. I believe in John Schaeffer, and I hope he can help us end this crap

[eternal talon]

do we know if alt//schaeffer was even de-chipped like OG was when his squad died?

[lost drum]

He was chipped. In ALT//:R3, it gets rid of the chip

[eternal talon]

This is John Schaeffer. I... I'm recording this so I... so if anyone finds me this will... explain... what is that... VOICE? I can't stop it... come on... breathe... This is John Schaeffer. I... I think, maybe, I am a prisoner? Or maybe... I work in this place? I don't know what... I don't remember... I think I was unconscious or, or I had an accident? There is... a voice, it's telling me, ordering me, demanding... "EXTRACT! RETREAT! COMPLY! EXTRACT! RETREAT"... Stop it! Stop! It's okay. You can ignore it. I'm not listening. I can't hear it. I don't hear you! Now... where was I? Remember... I was... with some people... QUIET! We were... we had weapons! We had weapons and THAT VOICE was giving orders, giving us all orders, but then... we were attacked? Yes, something attacked us and then EXTRACT! RETREAT! COMPLY! I will not! I DO NOT HEAR YOU! Where are the others? Did they... I think... I think they're dead. They're dead and I... did I escape? Yes, I escaped and now all I hear is THAT VOICE. COMPLY! My name is John Schaeffer. My name is John Schaeffer. My name is... Wait! I'm an... engineer! Not a prisoner! An engineer! I will NOT comply. I'm John Schaeffer, and I'm an engineer, and now... I'm here. Why? Why am I here? WHY AM I HERE? What did I do? I didn't do anything! Stop! What are you! Stop the voice... I have to stop the voice. I have to STOP IT-- fair enough

so he can disobey the warden.

[loud urchin]

ah yes, .mp3.mpeg is my favourite file type

[lost drum]

I downloaded it from the wiki, lol

Anyway, something doesn't add up. Schaeffer left Warden's control so he could start helping him. This doesn't make any sense

I really liked the plot of R7. It was understandable, interesting. ALT was a nightmare. Multiverses, collectors, nothing made sense

[solar nova]

I really liked the pre-R6 plot.

Back when it was just atmosphere and world building.,

[harsh pike]

seconded

[solar nova]

Not that I hate the post-1.0 story, it just doesn't grab me as much.

[harsh pike]

i think adding the teleportation stuff and aliens was cool and all but once you get into infinite alternate universe BS that will kill almost any story.

I first assumed Destination was just an alien planet, not an entirely different universe

[lost drum]

Is there confirmation that we're playing as the original characters and not their ALT versions? And how were Daouda and Bishop killed in CX?

[eternal talon]

confirmation is the fact that bishop and dauda are dead in ALT//, and we, while playing with bishop and dauda, can see their corpses. -- We do not know how exactly they were killed. their bodies are just sorta tossed around.

[harsh pike]

no visible injuries but im gonna chalk that up to dev laziness most likely

[lost drum]

I mean, are we sure we're not ALT versions of the characters? Maybe we're looking at the original characters that got here after R7?

[eternal talon]

telling us things we already know and saying "It's possible we've talked before, or at least you think we have."

it's a human clone that you helped make -- that we did in r7, in our original timeline

[lost drum]

Shit. I finally got it. Thank you so much

[past matrix]

extremely. IMO like

a big benefit of bringing back old rundowns would be for the story players missed

but if you're going to say "oh this isnt 1:1 this is actually in another universe and takes place after rundown 7" then it doesn't really do much to show previous lore

[past matrix]

i wonder if they were killed by Schaeffer in this universe?

maybe they found the mimic or whatever its name is (I can't remember) and schaeffer arrived and killed them all

[harsh pike]

didn't schaeffer have a log where he saw a unit approach KSO's, but then sleepers swarmed them

i assume this was our alt squad

how schaeffer saw this, no idea

[past matrix]

no clue, gave up on following the lore after r7 LMAOO

[harsh pike]

can't blame you

[past matrix]

but if he did then that would make sense that they were killed by sleepers, especially since then he would have been in the area. Maybe the mimic was chilling as part of the swarm

[harsh pike]

the logic specified that the mimic approached peacefully, trying to talk to them

the sleepers ignored it but in the ensuing fight, it caught a bullet I guess

[eternal talon]

Iirc schaeffer was watching this happen.

[harsh pike]

schaeffer would make a lot more sense as a character if he had access to CCTV/Garganta's security cameras (if they even have them) as an explanation for how he sees all this shit

"oh he crawled through vents and stuff" So why can't we do that to avoid alarmed sec. doors?

[pine agate]

It's interesting that in the R3D1 log he mentions he's an engineer, while in the OG dimension he's a pit boss. Unless both are related and I'm just stupid

[eternal talon]

Because like toilets, mess halls, bunkhouses, offices, armories, kitchens, security chambers, etc, also aren't in gameplay

[harsh pike]

true

I wish they did have those kinds of rooms, make garganta feel more real

[eternal talon]

In OG he was part of management. He could have been an engineer there also.

That's all pit boss means. It's a management title

[pine agate]

Gotcha

[eternal talon]

Closest you've got is schaeffer's broom closet in r6bx

[lost drum]

I used to think the new environment in R8 would be residential apartments. I also expected a giant transportation system, like a subway. Also, an alien ship. All of these could, in theory, be a new kind of environment

[median snow]

i dont think thats dauda and bishop, i think its the mercenaries that schaeffer came across when he saw unit 27. it was in some audio log or something, i dont remember.. i think its just laziness that they reused the models of our prisoners

[median snow]

did they change it?

[eternal talon]

The cosmetics they are wearing are literally "dauda's mask" -- "bishop's mask" not the generic variants

[eternal talon]

Well yeah... the plot has evolved dramatically from r5-r6, and even more since from r7-alt

[solar nova]

It felt that way at the time, but I think looking back it was just a change in how the story was told.

[median snow]

what is PT?

[eternal talon]

My modded rundown. Projekt Thermonuclear.

[solar nova]

R1-R5 had what we had assumed was "the story," but now I tend to think it was more about worldbuilding and setting a backdrop.

[eternal talon]

I learned a lot about the game's innerworkings while developing it, so it comes up occasionally

[median snow]

how do we know that theyre the bodies tho, does it say it anywhere? i feel like thats silly that its actually them. i thought it was just the 2 mercs that schaeffer saw, then they killed 27 while sleepers were waking up or soemthing

[solar nova]

R6 may have just been putting into motion the things that they had planned out.

-but had not started on since the game was still in early access.

[eternal talon]

They are absolutely our squadmates. There is also no reason why the squad alt//schaeffer saw fight the sleepers wasn't ours.

[coral gorge]

Yeah the mercenaries schafer saw were defo our ALT squad

[median snow]

i missed a lot holy jesus 😅

[coral gorge]

You sure did

[eternal talon]

Have a read of the "for dummies" document. It's always a good refresher

[median snow]

ill check it out thanks

[median snow]

wait so is the alt squad us from the og rundown or us from the og alt rd that we infiltrated

wtf this is so confusing

[coral gorge]

The player squad is og

[eternal talon]

Just read the for dummies... alt is a different universe

[median snow]

i thought it was just them finding alien diseases on alpha and then bringing it to earth 😭

[coral gorge]

we still play as the og squad

[eternal talon]

We are playing as the original cast

[median snow]

never knew all this multiverse stuff

[coral gorge]

the bodies are our squad from a diff worldline

[eternal talon]

^

Well, Hackett and woods whereabouts are still unknown

[median snow]

okay thats what i figured now, but like, i guess they just arent as lucky or skilled than our og group?

[coral gorge]

seems like it

[median snow]

like, i mean we never died all this time and they died like

[coral gorge]

they have a skill issue

[median snow]

pretty quick? maybe

yeah lol

[eternal talon]

Their Schaeffer is also dramatically different than ours

[median snow]

yeah i thought that too

hes much more, calm?

is there 2 schaeffers with us?

[coral gorge]

And likes the warden

[median snow]

if im processing that right

[coral gorge]

possibly

[median snow]

one likes the warden and the other hates it

[coral gorge]

the og schafer is nowhere to be found atm

[median snow]

what happened to henrikkson?

[eternal talon]

There are two in the current worldline.

Ours and alt// merged

[coral gorge]

we have no idea

[eternal talon]

Probably with our schaeffer, wherever they are

[coral gorge]

yeah

[eternal talon]

They've been MIA since alt//r1d1

[coral gorge]

unless henri somehow didnt get yeeted into ALT

[eternal talon]

I don't see how it've grabbed schaeffer and not henri

[coral gorge]

yeah i dont see that either

honestly it could be cool to see a sorta race between schafers to get to madox first

as i doubt og schafer will want 2 henriksons

cause that would be quite confusing

[median snow]

it already is very confusing

stupid question, is alpha on earth, mars, or another alien planet

[coral gorge]

alpha isnt earth

Its some super far away planet in a diff worldline

[median snow]

and was that r6 log of the team landing in a lush jungle after touching the matter wave projector on alpha or a different planet, and if it was alpha, wtf happened

[eternal talon]

It's on Destination, a planet in its own universe too.

[coral gorge]

id assume it was still on destination, just another biome of sorts

[eternal talon]

Personally I think it's it's own worldline. So far we have been to two different deserts on destination (possibly three?). They all seem equally inhabitable

[coral gorge]

Maybe

[median snow]

thank you for the info i will read the dummies doc eventually

[coral gorge]

but i feel like the entire planet isnt a dead desert

nam-v doesnt exactly kill plants

[eternal talon]

apha two and alpha three are in the same desert, you can tell because of the mountains in the distance.

[median snow]

is nam v separate from the sleepers?

from what i know theres multiple pathogens and shit going around

[eternal talon]

these two jumps appear to also be in the same desert becuase of the surrounding rocks and cliffs.

and the mountain seen above the canyon in this jump doesnt match any previously seen.

[eternal talon]

but from the limited angle, it could maybe one from the first desert.

[coral gorge]

Nam-v + parasite makes sleepers

nam-v itself kills

[median snow]

whaaat

oookayy that makes so much more sense

where do the parasites come from

[eternal talon]

namv = super fuckin dead
parasite = non-immortal sleepers but less mutated (imagine zombies)
parasite + namv = sleepers

[eternal talon]

same place as the virus, but both unknown in origin

[median snow]

are those half transformed bodies from just nam v?, or just parasite?

[eternal talon]

yeah, 90+% of the surface is fuckin' dead lol

[median snow]

yeah i think i heard that before

so the complex isnt the only place infested with sleepers

cool concept, i wonder what itd be like up there

trying to survive day to day

[eternal talon]

skullcracks appear to be the result of the virus, as with the parasite, they simply wouldn't have been allowed to die

so they were just at an advanced rate of mutation before finally dying

[median snow]

the parasite keeps them alive then?

[eternal talon]

it works sorta like this.

the virus is hyper lethal and hyper infectious. but problem with it is it eats all of its food too fast and dies off.
the parasite makes hosts for the virus (and parasite) to inhabit, keeping the virus from running out of fuel.
in return, the virus makes the parasite and its hosts nigh-immortal to aging and decay. (allowing the parasite to spread far and wide)

[median snow]

fascinating

[eternal talon]

a single flood spore sleeper can destroy a species.

[median snow]

so, the sleepers are the immortal age + decay immune

[eternal talon]

even if you nuke an entire planet, one sleeper hiding in a cave somewhere can cause a new outbreak thousands if not millions of years in the future

[median snow]

and i assume they spread the virus when they die and melt away-? or do they like, infect u when they lick you

[eternal talon]

its why alt// is fucked. sleepers made it to the surface.

[median snow]

ohhhhhhh that clears some more confusion

sleepers are at the surface in alt, not in og

cool

[eternal talon]

the virus can spread through literally everything except the vacucm of space -- because there is nothing

[median snow]

thats where i remembered all that stuff

[eternal talon]

it is super bio-weapon levels of dangerous

[median snow]

so its airborne, passes through blood, water

[eternal talon]

EVERYTHING

[median snow]

nam v is basically a super virus

jesus

[eternal talon]

can stay on surfaces for months

[median snow]

yeah no alt is fucked

[eternal talon]

in our original worldline, while nam-v did wipe out almost all of the surface, the parasite was contained in garganta.

it could be contained like radioactive waste. put up markers and keep the shit buried

[median snow]

so im assuming that alpha had nam v first, and then when the matter wave was discovered on earth (right?) it transported us to alpha and spread nam v to earth?

[eternal talon]

and in OG the warden did the majority of the heavy lifting to contain it -- it sealed up all of the upper levels, trapping anyone and everyone to die inside.

[eternal talon]

no. alt is entirely new. alt has no relevance to the story prior to r7.

[median snow]

how does schaeffer not die from nam v, does he just regularly go in hydrostasis?

[median snow]

was what i said correct in the og universe tho?

how did nam v get here in alt then

[eternal talon]

alt was a curveball. warden merged alt with our original worldline to undo schaeffer's meddling. in r7, schaeffer finally took partial control of biocom, limiting what warden could do, and was about to "win".

[median snow]

im sorry im asking so many questions 😅

[eternal talon]

warden instead merged us with a worldline that was as far back as r1 (not time travel, the worldline was just slower to have the same events occur)

[eternal talon]

nah your fine

[eternal talon]

nam-v came to alt the same way it did to OG. a alien ship crash landing in the yucitan

[median snow]

so the warden jumped us to another universe where things happened slower

[eternal talon]

the multiverse is infinite as all multiverses are. there are an infinite number of earths where this has happened, will happen, and are currently happening

[median snow]

was the alien ship the "meteor" that killed the dinosaurs?

[eternal talon]

yes.

[median snow]

do we actually see the ship ever or is it just mentioned

thats cool

[eternal talon]

a lot of this is covered in the doc.

[median snow]

alright sorry sorry ill read it first then ask questions

[eternal talon]

its only mentioned sadly. i WISH. I really hope we get to see it before gtfo ends.

[median snow]

that would be sick asf

imagine they make a spinoff survival on the surface world

[eternal talon]

we've only got one rundown left as it were. after r8 we have no promises of future content.

[median snow]

yeahhh

just copium on my part

just to clarify, we dont die from nam v because of the hsu right

it kills everything that isnt us

[coral gorge]

yup

[median snow]

and i assume infectious fog is nam v mayhaps

[eternal talon]

we leave HSU at the start of a mission
we immediately get infected because shit is verywhere
we do the mission
we enter HSU
HSU kills us (and everything) and "cures" us.
repeat.

[median snow]

alright yeah

[eternal talon]

it is very very VERY slowly killing us.

[median snow]

but we get a clean wipe at the end of every mission

[eternal talon]

hydrostasis can't undo its progress, but we are basically stopping it every 10 seconds

[median snow]

or is it still slowly killing us

ohhh

yeah

[eternal talon]

can't really undo the mutations i'm affraid. it's like a cancer.

[median snow]

jeez

[coral gorge]

Quite possibly after enough missions we would get a heart failure

[eternal talon]

sleepers never die. the human hosts are still alive, alibet unable to control their bodies.

no zombies here!

(even though thats worse)

[median snow]

so the parasite controls them when theyre sleepers

kinda like.. headcrabs?

sorta?

[coral gorge]

we dunno if we have parasite

[eternal talon]

being semi-conscious as a parasite puppets and contorts your body wildly to kill everyone you know and care about

[coral gorge]

also i thought the brain dies

doesnt it?

[eternal talon]

suffering as your bones break and snap for literally all of eternity if nobody kills you

[median snow]

so were doing a service by clearing rooms of sleepers 😤

[eternal talon]

not even in the case of strikers. your higher brain functions are almost certainly gone, but the core parts of your brain like your brainstem are still intact otherwise it wouldn't be able to control your body.

[median snow]

freeing the poor trapped souls underneath

[eternal talon]

to tap into the spinal cord

[coral gorge]

i suppose the question is then, is that enough to destroy ones consciousness

[eternal talon]

they've been trapped there for... about a decade or so?

so far

[median snow]

i assume so since the stem is just for movement, right?

i might be spreading misinformation

[eternal talon]

sleepers on destination have literally been 7.5 trillion years since the ship crashed.

[median snow]

do we know how special enemies are made, like tanks, chargers, mothers, kraken? i assume chargers and takes are similar, since they have the same base body

[median snow]

so those mfs are OLD old, and NOT human derrived?

[eternal talon]

The brainstem is very small, making up around only 2.6 percent of the brain's total weight.[1]: 195  It has the critical roles of regulating cardiac, and respiratory function, helping to control heart rate and breathing rate.[4] It also provides the main motor and sensory nerve supply to the face and neck via the cranial nerves. Ten pairs of cranial nerves come from the brainstem.[5] Other roles include the regulation of the central nervous system and the body's sleep cycle.[4] It is also of prime importance in the conveyance of motor and sensory pathways from the rest of the brain to the body, and from the body back to the brain.[4] These pathways include the corticospinal tract (motor function), the dorsal column-medial lemniscus pathway (fine touch, vibration sensation, and proprioception), and the spinothalamic tract (pain, temperature, itch, and crude touch).[6]

[coral gorge]

tanks are most likely super old chargers

[median snow]

thats what i figured

[coral gorge]

and pablo is ancient

[eternal talon]

no, they are native fauna of destination that was infected loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong ago

[median snow]

pablo is the immortal i assume

[coral gorge]

chargers might be a diff mutation of the virus

hard to tell

[median snow]

so they just kinda look human as a coincidence

[coral gorge]

No

chargers are humans

atleast some

[median snow]

no i know that

[coral gorge]

kraken and flyers arent

[median snow]

i mean the ones on destination

[eternal talon]

these are alien in origin

[coral gorge]

yeah

[median snow]

makes sense

[eternal talon]

all others we see in-game are human in origin

[coral gorge]

they are nothing like humans tho

[median snow]

i mean the sleepers on destination tho

[harsh pike]

the kraken has something resembling a face

[coral gorge]

there are sleepers on destination?

[harsh pike]

and apparently LEGS? but i think that might just be something you aren't supposed to see

[median snow]

i figured krakens and flyers were aliens taken by the virus + parasite

[eternal talon]

the floaters are god knows what (meatballs arent really a normal thing for nature to develop), and the kraken appears to have been some kind of fish

[median snow]

but there are tanks and sleepers on desti as well

[median snow]

maybe roots? or a tail?

[harsh pike]

nah they are flat out two humanoid legs

but i think being able to see them is a glitch

[coral gorge]

oh yeah the charger wall

[eternal talon]

chargers. probably infected insight staff given they have outposts there.

[coral gorge]

oh righy R7E1

i forgot it had sleeping chargers

i only remembered the wall

[eternal talon]

there are also normal sleepers during other parts

[median snow]

theres also spawn waves of brown sleepers

[eternal talon]

they are just sorta scattered around the bigger outposts in waves to suppliment fliers.

[median snow]

i remember reading a log in game about the white sleepers are less aggressive than the brown ones

[eternal talon]

yes, different sub-species of parasite.

[median snow]

very cool

i just wonder why there are so many of them on destination

hundreds of staff there? i mean, thats a LOT

smc must be massive

[eternal talon]

**### Entry: Gallus {genus}
Poss. intro? fix end bit
/quote
There are cross-species behavioral distinctions that separate all species within the genus. The dark-skinned variants tend to be more active hunters, suggesting the darker pigmentation is a product of natural selection. They are harder to see and therefore more successful predators. The light skinned breed are still vicious and will attack at the slightest provocation, but they do not seek the prey as actively, they are more disposed to sedentary, almost somnific, behavior. They wait, and strike when roused.
/quote

Entry: Gallus Reptus

Paragraph on:

• Reptus show little signs of intelligence beyond their predatory instincts. Clarify the intraspecific devolution theory?
• possibility of structured hierarchy among the pack, and the role of Reptus in that hierarchy
• possibility that Reptus are a post-metamorphic stage of Jaculus? Note no confirmed sightings of Jaculus in a pupal state.
• NEED DNA SAMPLE

Entry: Gallus Jaculus

• more intelligent than Reptus, or given a more strategic role in the hive?
• what are the implications of emergent intelligence.
• potential human connection/influence. Mimicry or symbiont relationship with parasite?
• remove that woman from the team

Entry: Gallus Capreolatus

Name options:

• Capreolatus
• Cirrhus
• Pampinarii
• Clavicula
  Discuss tendril hypotheses :
• diphyllobothrium latum mimicry?
• siphonophore/zooids theory
• NEED DNA SAMPLE

Gallus Horridus

• advanced predation techniques
• purpose of keratinous growths unclear. does it charge under threat?
• NEED DNA SAM

[file ends]**

[eternal talon]

those outposts aren't even SMC. thats project insight, the research division of dreyfus industries.

they appear to have sent tons more expeditions after ef01

[median snow]

oh right smc just made garganta right

[coral gorge]

i wonder how much space do all these logs take up on your computer

[eternal talon]

or, maybe they are even different expeditions to different worldlines (since we go to the same destination in alt//)

[median snow]

dreyfus was in charge of insight and ksos?

[coral gorge]

kovac was in charge of ksos

[median snow]

OH

yeah

[eternal talon]

hahaha, i just have the wiki bookmarked, that's all. good ol' CTRL+F

now the pictures and .wavs.....

[coral gorge]

dreyfus was the technical team i think

[median snow]

so many terms

[coral gorge]

lol

[eternal talon]

Dreyfus is a huge megacorp. They own both SMC and Insight

[median snow]

me studying for school: 😴
me learning gtfo lore: 🤔 🧐

[eternal talon]

separate companies

[coral gorge]

ohhj

i confused them with the guys who made reactors and the casing of MWP

[median snow]

alright i have classes tomorrow i need a shower and sleep fuck its late

ty for all the info you guys are saints

[eternal talon]

literally the first sentence of the for dummies doc....
Dreyfus Industries is a mega-corporation that owns a majority of the companies on earth by the year 2050. This includes Team Insight, a dedicated research company sort of like a Think Tank(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Think_tank), and Santonian Industries,
a mining company specializing in Iridium, a special kind of material found mostly in meteorites that is used in expensive chips and computer components.

[coral gorge]

do you expect me to memorize your document

[eternal talon]

hahaha, it's handy, no?

[coral gorge]

that i read like a couple months ago

[median snow]

are those black crystals on destination iridium

[raw terrace]

yes

[median snow]

or isnt it that alien shit they put in a crusher

and then the crusher exploded

[eternal talon]

no, they are cretasium 77a

[coral gorge]

i doubt it

Ah yes funny science word

Is cretasuim an irl thing

[median snow]

i was gonna ask that

[coral gorge]

if so, is it invisible on thermal sights irl too

[eternal talon]

nope

[coral gorge]

expected

[eternal talon]

its opaque from afar but damn near transparent when close.

[median snow]

does this stuff power the matter wave

[eternal talon]

we have less than zero idea how the MWP works. it is purely alien technology.

insight does, since they reverse engineered it to make the warp gates, but we have no clue

[median snow]

i see

im reading the doc now, but i thought bishop only had some info from hacking and used it for blackmail

he actually like, kidnapped someone???

and hackett was naturally violent? i thought it was an accident when his brother died, and also he knows hes broken from those logs we heard between him and that lady who was interviewing him for legion

hackett and bishop my two favorite characters but bishops kidnapping incident makes me a bit sad

[mental stump]

No Hackett for sure killed his brothers

Idk what this kidnapping is though

[median snow]

more questions: do we know how mothers work? and why they have so many babies? and how they all fit in there? are the tumors holding the babies? are they eggs? do the babies come from actual babies or are they actually made BY the virus

[mental stump]

A wizard did it

I thought they were just mutated as there’s no logs or reference to them

[median snow]

says in the doc for dummies and the 10c description for the prisoners that he robbed kidnapped and trafficked someone for power and money

[median snow]

this makes me very sad

[mental stump]

There’s a reason we had purgatory theory for so long, none of them are good people

[median snow]

at least.. hackett turned himself in? because he knew he was broken? idk man im reaching

bishops the only one who didnt murder anyone so

theres that at least

[mental stump]

What

[median snow]

what

okay wait

im hearing the word worldline used a lot

and im reading the doc

and it says theres like, frequencies that the mwp tunes to move the user

[eternal talon]

For all intense and purpose worldline = universe. It's just the specific kind of multidimensional travel GTFO seems to follow.

Also I am back

[median snow]

oh okay that clears it up thanks

[eternal talon]

No. We don't know. We don't know. We don't know. We don't know. We don't know.

[median snow]

lmao

fair

so does the mwp only tune the users frequency to destinations frequency? because i mean we're only going there

[eternal talon]

Iirc I added a () bit detailing how the mwp works

[median snow]

yeah i read that

[eternal talon]

In the bit just after talking about ef01

[median snow]

i was just a bit confused

[eternal talon]

Both changing frequency and teleporting.

[median snow]

ahhh so thats what you meant by angle

[eternal talon]

Destination's coordinates are in the butterfly nebula, 3k light years away from earth

[median snow]

teleportation and universe jumping

[eternal talon]

If it was in our universe, that's where it'd be

[median snow]

but its not, so it tunes us to the frequency where it is?

[eternal talon]

There could be a version of it in our universe, but we are going to that specific one

The one where time runs 85x faster

[median snow]

gotcha

so bishop actually went there, neat

[eternal talon]

Yes, he went there with ef01, and he was the only one to return

It is one of the few locations Insight actually has the Data Cubes to go to

(MWP requires 3 data cubes to work, basically stores coordinates, frequency, data, that kind of thing)

[median snow]

were the earthquakes that released nam v just from the fossil, or just earthquakes just so happening to be off a fault line

[median snow]

ohhh

so there are TONS of artifacts and cubes and shit on the fossil, now just all over the complex

[eternal talon]

They were 100% unnatural. Something in the fossil made them. Unintentionally, or not.

[median snow]

makes sense

[eternal talon]

Yep. The found hundreds of them

They are all catalogued into the Hammerstein Collection and given a number

For instance, the MWP itself is artifact #7

[median snow]

i had a theory about infectious fog coming from dead sleepers that evaporated, and when the parasite or virus finds that the host is no longer alive, it commits a chemical suicide and releases all the infection to the air, hence the bodies disappearing

idk how plausible that is now

[eternal talon]

We simply don't know as some variants of the parasite do, and others dont

In gameplay they obviously all disintegrate for performance reasons, but the lore itself refutes this

Only the brown strikers/shooters disintegrate in lore. Whites, tanks, chargers, hybrids, etc, dont.

[median snow]

also, how come those dead sleepers above schaeffers hideout didnt disintegrate? they were cut in half and stuff, but not gone.

also, i remember dead sleepers in the overload objective of r7b3 vault (i only remember what level it was cuz of how long it took to beat it)

[eternal talon]

Which is also why all of the sleeper corpses we find are whites.

[median snow]

do we know why they disintegrate

[eternal talon]

Nope

[median snow]

oh, that answers my question lol

[eternal talon]

10cc loves giving us juuust enough information to theorize but not enough to be concrete

[median snow]

sometimes thats the fun of it

or at least, some of it

its always nice to know exactly why stuff is how it is of course

OH that log of someone going in hydrostasis to avoid dying of hunger WAS schaeffer

he said a name at the end, saying "i hope you made it out" or something

i thought it was just a random dude talkin to himself

but i guess that was schaeffer talking to someone else

[eternal talon]

He was talking to his best friend, artus.

Who is almost certainly dead with the rest.

Would be kinda morbid to find him still alive in sleeper form and for schaeffer to put him out.

[median snow]

yikes

so i assume strikers and shooters are the way they are because of female and male genes or whatever, just having different mutations

chargers all seem to be male too

[eternal talon]

For the most part, yeah. It's the parasite taking advantage of what is naturally present in the host to its benefit

[median snow]

and big chickens are always white, and hybrids are always dark

[eternal talon]

There is the matter of subspecies of the parasite, but those seem to selectively target to just encourage this further

[median snow]

the fact that you can see the shooters face under all the spores just makes me really grossed out

[eternal talon]

You can see a human face split apart on the tank, and the mother is... two humans merged into one?

[median snow]

hell, you can even see some of the strikers faces

[eternal talon]

It's really fucked up

[median snow]

yeah i noticed that too!

[eternal talon]

The snatcher by far appears the most human of any of the mutations

[median snow]

really freaked me out when i noticed lol

[eternal talon]

Even more so when you consider they are still in there

[median snow]

although, its just... so big. and grotesque. and agile. its disgusting

idk if theyre fully in there, but i mean, some of its in there somewhere for sure

i dont know if theyre sentient though

or aware

[eternal talon]

Really depends on the amount of material left, yeah.

[median snow]

i wonder what the sleepers do to prisoners when they actually kill all of them

[eternal talon]

For stuff like the strikers the space is heavily modified and repurposed, but for stuff like chargers and snatchers it could be entirely intact under there

[median snow]

they seem to prioritize neutralizing threats before actually killing, unless its just a gameplay thing

they don't seem to need to eat

[eternal talon]

Well sleepers never kill us in gameplay, so it can be assumed they drag us off to be converted once the treat has been dealt with

[median snow]

oh god

[eternal talon]

Lmao, the sarcastic "oh good" would worked too

[median snow]

lmfao

absolutely wonderful

i wonder how theyd convert us. like, just keep us incapacitated until the virus actually takes over?

[eternal talon]

Probably, sorta like the nests in alien.

[median snow]

dip us in some infected fog

speed up the process

[eternal talon]

String us up to a wall in gunk until it takes over

[median snow]

i have always wondered what that mass is on the ceilings of charger rooms

[eternal talon]

There are the respawn pods on the ceilings of some zones...

And the mother sacks

[median snow]

i totally forgot about the respawn pods ngl

how tf do those even work

i assume we dont have an answer tho

[eternal talon]

We don't really know what it is. Whatever it is though, it always appears in quantity with chargers.

[median snow]

yeah, thats what ive noticed

[eternal talon]

Sleepers can move through it effortlessly though

[median snow]

really?

[eternal talon]

As seen in r7e1

It's used to hide sleeper spawnpoints

[median snow]

oh

i havent actually beaten chaos unfortunately

[eternal talon]

Nope. Presumably just another way to spread the infection

[median snow]

i wonder what different animals would look like on the surface world of alt// after the infection

assuming theyd be infected too

[eternal talon]

Imo in regards to mothers, it's just hijacking the human reproductive system with forced reproduction to pump out great numbers of replacement sleepers to help support the massive number that die in assault waves. Infants being infected while still in the womb levels of horror

[median snow]

imagine a dog or a cat running at you with the cracked skull, freaky

[eternal talon]

A lot of the lore regarding sleepers is really fuckin dark

[median snow]

yeahhhhh

are the tongues that they whip us with their intestines?

like

charger tongues are fuckin LONG

get whipped from a different area code

[eternal talon]

Nope. As seen with some striker corpses, they are fully intact.

[median snow]

oh yeah!

i remember seeing one with his tongue out

[eternal talon]

(Would post pic but not on PC anymore sadge)

[median snow]

its all good!

i believe i know what youre talking about this time

i wonder if the virus just mutates the tongue and pushes it to maximum overdrive

[eternal talon]

#gtfo-lore message

[median snow]

(and gives it teeth)

ewwww

[eternal talon]

(Above that is pictures of the parasite's eggs)

[median snow]

oh ew i never thought it would be that big

i always just thought those were spores

[eternal talon]

Nope. Eggs.

[median snow]

that makes it so much grosser

yuck

[eternal talon]

They used to pop out of sleepers when you shot them during the super early rundowns/beta/alpha

[median snow]

yeah i remember that

i was gonna ask where they went

[eternal talon]

inside

shudders

[median snow]

🤢

[eternal talon]

Lmaoooo

[median snow]

ohhh silly me thinking that gtfos infection was a fungal infection

its so much worse

[eternal talon]

Nope. Was proved not to be a very long time ago, though some youtubers (that will not be named) have spread misinformation on the topic

[wary portal]

+500 messages wtf

[eternal talon]

you can see, but cannot move. Your body moves on its own. You feel immense pain as your arms move and contort on their own, forming massive clubs. As your body shambles forward you feel a dozen tennis-ball sized eggs jiggle inside your intestines...

[median snow]

yes hello this may be my fault

[eternal talon]

Hey, it's not every day this channel gets new people to talk with

[median snow]

....it was roanoke wasnt it

[eternal talon]

Deleted comments correcting and linking to correct info and claiming the videos were based on observations alone, and that he did "complete research"... yadayadayada

[median snow]

oookay you did NOT have to write that LMAO 🤢

[median snow]

yikes.. i had no idea he was doing that scummy stuff

that really sucks

[eternal talon]

But it's funnier to do so. You seriously cannot overstate how fucked becoming a sleeper is

[median snow]

i love having my head split in two!!

while being fully aware of it all 😀 👍

[eternal talon]

I love being riddled with 556 at the end of a long corridor! 😃👍

[median snow]

daww, shucks! frozen in cfoam again?! time to get stabbed in the back until i collapse! 😀 👍

[eternal talon]

kiiiiillllll meeeeeeee

[median snow]

aaaand theres a hole in my chest and my head is missing 😀 👍

SERIOUSLY how do giants still do full 40% damage with those little bone stubs?!?! you have no head, no arm, and no stomach!!!

[eternal talon]

Consider the fact that it broke out previously in the 16th century and fought with the mayans.. there are Mayan sleepers.. human sleepers down there that have been for hundreds of years

[median snow]

...hopefully they actually sleep when theyre asleep.

[eternal talon]

Well honestly not like we have a source to ask

[median snow]

i imagine the mayans fighting hordes of the fuckers just like how we do - only with spears, and hope. and absolutely no knowledge of how sickness works

not a very fair fight

[eternal talon]

And they somehow won!

They contained the outbreak

[median snow]

well.... won?

[eternal talon]

It didn't go global

[median snow]

thats actually true

god bless the mayans

it just sorta killed all of them

[eternal talon]

16th century Mayans did what 20th century humans couldnt

[median snow]

those mfs who made nam v maxxed out lethality over infection and they paid for it

[eternal talon]

No, no, no. They were fighting "flea demons". The parasite too. Not a single one that was infected was left on the surface

[median snow]

while this is true, there were also a LOT less people back then. it kinda makes sense that it killed everyone before it could spread all the way

[eternal talon]

They drove them back into the heart of the inner and sacrificed themselves to not let it back out

[median snow]

but also.. how were there not sleepers left over

[eternal talon]

Fucking chads.

[eternal talon]

Not just nam-v, they were fighting sleepers

[median snow]

yuck i cant even imagine how the parasite infects you

yeahh

[eternal talon]

It's described they can eat straight through class c hazmat suits as if it were nothing

[median snow]

absolute GODS

[harsh pike]

parasites can bite through body armor just fine so hazmat suits don't seem that unreasonable

[eternal talon]

And they aren't exactly big. They attack in numbers

[median snow]

i wonder how they knew they were infected with the parasite

[eternal talon]

I mean.. there is an audio log of a person turning into a sleeper

[median snow]

🤮

[eternal talon]

It's kinda obvious

Gimme a sec to find it

[median snow]

god that thought is gut wrenchint

[median snow]

well yeah! but i just mean no nam v, not mid transformation. just the parasite chillin in there

[eternal talon]

#gtfo-lore message

[median snow]

that sounds absolutely horrendous

might just have to use that as an alarm

would wake me up very quick

oh this one

does the virus or parasite make people hallucinate?

[eternal talon]

We don't have any knowledge of a person infected just by the parasite and not also nam-v, sorry.

[median snow]

damn

[harsh pike]

I imagine it would be a lot like barotrauma's Husk infection

[eternal talon]

Virus causes psychological disturbances

[harsh pike]

it grows, it pops out your mouth, you die

[eternal talon]

Prolly

[median snow]

wait, doesnt she say the parasites in all of us?

[eternal talon]

Iirc she's referring to nam-v, and yes, by that point the majority of santonian staff was infected

[median snow]

ah

...oh god

that "its in all of us." is so sinister

i feel like she is referring to the parasite

but

idk

because they were just talking about the bug she saw

yuck. did her face just split right then and there?

[harsh pike]

she probably is talking about the 'bugs' but she's also losing her shit

[eternal talon]

I feel the parasite would be more of an immediate thing, rather than the virus which would take a bit of time

[median snow]

i would guess it lays dormant maybe

until the virus shows up

[eternal talon]

The virus also sorta played a game of plague Inc for a while. It took a fair bit of time to get used to humanity and go hyperlethal.

[median snow]

especially if we have no info on what happens if a subject is only exposed to the parasite, i would just guess nothing special happens

[eternal talon]

(Why it wasn't already at that point considering the mayans?... plot hole much?)

[median snow]

oh so they DID max out infection

right

then activated total organ failure

/j

[median snow]

..yeah

i guess they really did ALL go in the fossil

if we see that mf ship we BETTER see ancient mayan corpses

that would be sick

i also hope we get another cool boss fight

[eternal talon]

If you ever want to take a vacation to point 0, you can go to the village of Ixil in the Yucatan. It's a real place

[median snow]

sick

ill refrain from asking the locals about nam v if i go there

💀

"... what the fuck are you talking about you stupid tourist"

[eternal talon]

The coords to Garganta are down a fenced off backroad the Google car refuses to go down lol

[median snow]

thats so cool

[coral gorge]

what

[median snow]

GTFO IN REAL LIFE???

[coral gorge]

Lmao

Soooo

[median snow]

google = dreyfus

just wait

you guys will see

[coral gorge]

who wants to start a super company that will mine to the meteor

[median snow]

they are already on it as we speak

[eternal talon]

We got the coords to garganta in one of the first official trailers years ago. They are on the garganta page on the wiki. It's the centermost point of the facility (not the entrance)

[coral gorge]

oh interesting

[eternal talon]

The entrance is an offshore rig with four heli-pads that was drained out to the ocean floor and paved over

[median snow]

that is so cool

[coral gorge]

well cant wait to make that a bussines plan

[median snow]

are all the rundown holes like, already drilled there, or were they from the explosion from the inner

[eternal talon]

The holes don't actually all go to the surface. The ones below the ocean stop just shy of flooding

And yeah, they are from the detonation

[median snow]

huh. so if they dont reach the surface, how do we get dropped straight down to them?

[median snow]

thats lucky. imagine underwater gtfo levels ⚰️

[eternal talon]

Assume either only the ones on-land, or plot hole

[median snow]

or underwater sleepers

fish sleepers

fleepers

[eternal talon]

I mean like literally calculated exact number of meters shy. Alien weapon system precise as nuts.

[median snow]

huh. i wonder if it calculated that before, or after garganta was made

on impact, or right as the explosion happened

[eternal talon]

Probably after it crashed, since the drilling of gsrganta wouldn't make the sea any deeper

[median snow]

i would love more overgrown levels in gtfo, with some waist deep water

that would be very cool

[eternal talon]

Floodways coulda been that

[median snow]

yeahh

😔

i saw a mod where it was a long tube with water and 3 blood doors at the end that all opened at once

like a floodgate

it was very cool

oh god its almost 3

gotta go thanks for the talk!

very fun and interesting

and very appreciated

side note i wonder how many people realize that woods dauda hackett and bishops prisoner IDs spell out GTFO

okay NOW i go

one last question does nam v stand for anything?

[median snow]

whats the purpose of warden survival protocol? i mean, they just send us down there, we fight, then we come back up? isnt that a waste of resources?

[harsh pike]

we're a distraction for another team

and I mean...more dead sleepers

[median snow]

ohhh thats why its called diversion

that makes so much sense, durr

im kinda stupid

[runic marsh]

this is one curious piece of lore

[minor wagon]

Which level is this log from?

[harsh saffron]

ALT R2D2

[runic marsh]

R6 something

[minor wagon]

Thanks for that

Okay but regardless it might be a good tie in to that weird boney human that were near both alt bishop and dauda’s corpses

If you were to classify it as a human

[coral gorge]

Project insight made units

the thing in R6CX is a unit

[solemn kraken]

It was also in OG R6

[runic marsh]

wait, it's actually from R2D2

I remember doing it a few days ago and taking the screenshot

[burnt wren]

No no no, that's RISE

Insight is a project to research into various artifacts found within the inner.
Most notably: aliens and an extremely durable new material / alloy.

[raw terrace]

and the funny funny r6 dolby projector

[coral gorge]

oh righg

but insight also worked on rise im pretty sure

otherwise i have no idea what that log would refer to

[burnt wren]

It literally reffers to exactly that

It's spilling the beans on original intent behind units.

[lost drum]

Guys!!!! Re-listen to Schaeffer's original speech from R6D1. I used to think it was nonsensical nonsense. But now it makes a lot of sense. Or am I wrong?

"Why do you do what you do? Do you know? There is a plan. The Warden knows, if it is the Warden. Maybe he’s being one thing and now it’s another. Do we know what we were before? We could read files, mere words about… “is that us”? Or someone that died with their memory? I’ve... I’ve started dreaming again. Things that the Warden doesn’t want me to see. Memories. At least, I think they’re my memories or someone put them there, maybe I put them there to remind myself. I… I am someone else. I’m with people like me but we’re good. I am one of them, I am Schaeffer. There’s… there’s laughter… Then I’m choking. Sinking. It’s water; I’m drowning, deeper into the abyss. And then… and then… alone. In the black. And there are monsters. I have a thought: What if… what if the Warden is not the enemy? “You’ve lost your minds, madness, what do you mean Schaeffer?” What if telling me “we need to have patience and work together”, is the Warden telling me those things. Is… is my program to break my program? Is yours to follow the program? What if the Warden is a prisoner?! With memories and wait, what is “out”? Outside? What if there is nothing outside and this is everything? Have I… have I said this before? Do you remember? Have I always been here saying this? Did I… die here? Do we really die or wake up in a nightmare again? What… what if you are the Warden? Oh… no no no… I have to go!"

Note these quotes:

Why do you do what you do? Do you know? There is a plan. The Warden knows

Maybe he’s being one thing and now it’s another

What if… what if the Warden is not the enemy?

What if telling me “we need to have patience and work together" (с)

He knew of some sort of plan for Warden even then, and he even had the idea of working with him. But he turned it down. ALT Schaeffer, on the other hand, accepted the idea

[eternal talon]

he did have limited interactions with his unit in OGr6c2 iirc.

the audio logs should be on the wiki

[median snow]

i LOVE those logs and i am very sad i didnt get to hear them again

[lost drum]

I agree!

[eternal talon]

different schaeffer, different encounter.

[median snow]

yeahhh

[eternal talon]

huh...

[eternal talon]

@dull crest what do you mean by "exclusive missions, rewards, and organic campaigns"?

[crude jacinth]

They campaign to send you organs

Or to take them

[lost drum]

They could be the "Beta testers" of the new Rundown, I think

[harsh pike]

odd to do something like this so late into the games lifespan

[old oar]

They mean they're actually sending you to the Chicxulub Crater with a go pro to do an organic rundown

[clear furnace]

GTFO air soft event

[naive crow]

GTFO paint ball, beating people in the coma ward with hammers

[harsh pike]

They are sleeping

it makes sense

[coral gorge]

”SHIT that guy over there is waking up! GET HIM!”

[mental stump]

GTFOcon ball pit

[mental stump]

Would you say this is essentially the plot for GTFO?

[median snow]

close...?

[coral gorge]

honestly i would love to see such a plan of garganta

[cold sphinx]

The da red guy doin

[dull crest]

Missions are ”tasks” within the creator program, so not expeditions or anything

[dull crest]

Yes and no. R8 will be the last content for now but we hope that GTFO will continue on, with the help of initiatives like this

[harsh pike]

👀

don't say sike

[dull crest]

Huh?

[harsh pike]

sike is like

slang for just kidding

[dull crest]

Yeye, just didn’t understand what in my post was big eyeballs

😅

[harsh pike]

ohhh lol

r8 being the last content for now

[coral gorge]

i hope now is a relatively short period of time

[crisp citrus]

If we believe hard enough we'll hit run down 10 by 2025

[coral gorge]

Hmmmm

nah

It will be 11

[low folio]

i would kill for a monthly cycling rundown

where it just cycles through a bunch of randomized levels with no lore or shit

just gameplay

[eternal talon]

Levels can't be made randomly. The level generator requires significant tweaks once a new LevelLayout is made to fix holes in the terrain, clashing and inaccessible zones, etc

It just chucks out 80% based on what information you feed it then you gotta fix the rest manually

[tiny gale]

what if R8 was like that?
instead of GTFO being finished you just get monthly content
think about it...

[low folio]

i'd imagine it could be tweaked to follow some set rules with the tileset instead

ie: some rooms build differently when placed next to other rooms

[crude jacinth]

The tiles in gtfo seem more complex than most games that use generation. If their system isn't set up for it already it would probably be time consuming. I don't know how many things like shelves, furniture, and lockboxes are attached to tiles either, some of them seem custome placed but that may be due to a lack of familiarity on my part

I'd be more in favor of a streamlined community maps setup integrated with steam workshop or something

That is also great for adding to longevity of a games community playerbase

[frail pollen]

An overall design of a room will have certain set dressing, then we have other parts "markers" that just say if and what kind of items could spawn there. So if you drop in a level you'll notice sometimes a shelf or table is there and sometimes it's missing

[crude jacinth]

Thanks for the clarification. Do you ever manually place objects as well or is it purely based on the preexisting markers?

[frail pollen]

Yes many stuff is manually placed

Like imagine your house or apartment, the layout is static of where walls are, but sometimes a cabinet may be against one wall, sometimes it isn't, or a desk sometimes shows

[raw terrace]

gtfo already tried being randomized and it didnt worked out

[mental stump]

Randomize the randomized 4head

[clear furnace]

Make GTFO 2

[mental stump]

How tf they end up back in garganta after that riveting r8 finale

[eternal talon]

Pretty much everything inside a zone is its own seperate randomized interger. It all randomizes together based on that number

[eternal talon]

Iirc the point of r8 is to LEAVE garganta forever

[mental stump]

Did someone move garganta to the bottom of another facility for GTFO2 and they need to get out of that now

[eternal talon]

What are you talking about

[mental stump]

He said to make gtfo 2

[eternal talon]

I'm confused

[mental stump]

That’s why I was like what would the plot even be tf

It’s ok it doesn’t matter

[eternal talon]

Could easily be a prequel during the collapse

Could easily be told from the alien's POV, of either the collectors or the natives of destination

Could easily be a seperate isolated story in a different worldline or on the surface and how they handled the outbreak

They have loads of options.

[crude jacinth]

I'd play a WRDN strat game where you top-down run the expedition while controlling idiot prisoners

[low folio]

that'd be sick as hell

you have to issue orders and can only see sleepers when they're pinged/in line of sight of the AI

[eternal talon]

XCOM - Enemy Underground

[crude jacinth]

The GTFO designation of prisoners manifests in behavioral tendencies and interactions within the quad. What happens when your F-KSO is resistant to the behavior molding effects of the implant and hydrostasis? Do they deviate from the stack frequently but innovate in more unique ways?

[burnt wren]

Don't we have a log on that in R6?

It directly says that KSO designations are inaccurate.

[eternal talon]

Og or alt

[burnt wren]

Alt

D3
HAS-I5T-DAY

[mental stump]

Fallout shelter but gtfo

[crude jacinth]

Well, like all clandestine contracting mercenary organizations there's probably a small margin of error when it comes to anticipating human behavior, especially sci-fi mind control related behavior

[terse knoll]

wait, let's say one Kso operator dies but the team can get his body back, can't HSU unit resurrect him?

[coral gorge]

Uhh no?

the HSUs dont kill you regularly

they put you in a state extremely close to death

but not full death

[terse knoll]

so actual death doesn't happen, does healing happen?

[coral gorge]

yes

the HSUs supply you with nutrients and such

so natural regeneration seems to occur

[terse knoll]

I meant heal combat wounds

[coral gorge]

and i said it probably dors

[terse knoll]

I am asking cause lore player team has no way to have done entire game undamaged

[coral gorge]

natural regen of ones cells seems to occur

[terse knoll]

so if HSU puts us near dead. How would BPM look? 30?

I think normally that would be cardiac arrest

[coral gorge]

no idea

maybe frosty knows

but i do not recall any logs on that

[terse knoll]

I think mice have been observed irl with an insanely low heart rate

[eternal talon]

what's the question?

[eternal talon]

For the human in Hydrostasis, the heart, and time, stops. - Fountain of Still Life, 85NP1.LOG

[terse knoll]

so how do we still count as still alive?

[eternal talon]

The breakthrough that Kovac Research hopes will answer these questions is called Hydrostasis - a process that allows humans to be held in a state of suspended animation for weeks, months, even years at a time without suffering any ill-effects. The nuts and bolts of the process are a closely guarded secret, but sources speculate that the procedure likely uses a synthetic amniotic fluid to sustain and protect the body while it is in an induced comatose state. In this state, the body is - for all intents and purposes - dead, but no cell deterioration or physical decay occurs. For the human in Hydrostasis, the heart, and time, stops.

Hydrostasis is not without its critics. Many have decried Kovac Research's tendency to gloss over the problems found in the recently completed first human trials - namely that participants have suffered\ some neural degradation and “minor” memory loss. -- These issues notwithstanding, Hydrostasis appears to offer a potential solution that may unlock the conundrum of extended space travel. Beyond that, the medical world could use such technology in the field of emergency and combat trauma, with...

[terse knoll]

what about brain activity?

[eternal talon]

ceases. its why memory loss is permanent.

[terse knoll]

why does the warden connect to the cortex specifically?

[eternal talon]

ah, wait...

[terse knoll]

what's there?

[eternal talon]

I do have a "cognitive scan" in my archived files... so perhaps it does for wake-up, as this is during load-in

older menu screens did seem to make key note of mental status, though this is also while the prisoners are in menu.

ultimately, i cannot say.

[terse knoll]

what about this?

I kinda failed my anatomy class

chip location or has to have something special?

[eternal talon]

to our neural interface. It allows the warden to see what we see and directly monitor the situation on the battlefield with the use of our Sec-B-M chips.
**These chips will allow you to increase the PRDM upload speed to 1300MB/s without any risk of overloading the subject.

I have forwarded the installation instructions to your cybernetics team, though it’s much the same as all the 2.7’s. There may be a slight protuberance once implanted as the chips use a new integrated 3d structure, making them slightly thicker. We have reinforced the shell to account for the reduced sub-dermal depth. The new chips are more vulnerable to magnetism, so they’ll need to be checked if the subject is exposed to any field in excess of 25,000g.

Please be careful with over pasting. Dots not crosses.

Ellis Carnegie

Kovac Research, Pretoria**
It also allows biocom and by extension the warden, the ability to modify and update our "objective stacks" basically set lists of objectives and commands we must follow.

We are physically incapable of disobeying our objective stack. (though probably more accurately psycologically unable)

[eternal talon]

no, our chips are in the back of our necks.

[terse knoll]

I mean go where? Not like we can run away

if we don't want to starve got to do the mission

[eternal talon]

the cortex (cerebral cortex) is primary responsible for perception, thought, memory, and consciousness.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerebral_cortex#:~:text=The cerebral cortex%2C also known as the cerebral,neocortex%2C with just 10%25 consisting of allocortex.

[coral gorge]

shafer ran away

and seems to have found food

[eternal talon]

its not from a lack of options, its that our chips prevent us from even considering it. We could be standing in an open field with freedom in sight but if the warden commands, we will return to the pit.

[eternal talon]

technically cannibalism?

[terse knoll]

did he eat someone?

[eternal talon]

less "ran away" moreso he was forgotten about by the warden after his squad was wiped out and managed to rid himself of his chip

[coral gorge]

Yeah

[eternal talon]

sleepers are human.

at least the human ones are

just making a joke about his potential food sources

[terse knoll]

hold up, aren't Sleepers laced with Nam-V? How did Schafer eat them?

[eternal talon]

if you diregard the gardens tileset, which could also be a possible source of nutrition -- that being greenhouses

[coral gorge]

i mean i would expect garganta to have food warehouses

g r a m m a r

[terse knoll]

sounds like german

[eternal talon]

i mean he should have died from nam-v years ago at this point so i kinda disregard that on all fronts.

plot holes be plot-holin'

[eternal talon]

true, but food does expire. it's been a decade since the collapse

[coral gorge]

Refridgerators?

[eternal talon]

you'd also have to account for potential contamination of any canned goods

[terse knoll]

so apocalypse happened 10 years ago? What year is it?

[eternal talon]

unlikely given constant power fluctuations and reactor restarts.

[eternal talon]

i'd reccomend reading the "for dummies" doccument in the pins of this channel to get yourself up-to-speed with the lore, but to answer your question, the current date is somewhere in the mid/late 2060s or even early 2070s.

[terse knoll]

so let's say our chips break or are removed, what then?

[eternal talon]

we are still left with our permanent memory loss, but otherwise would be severely PTSD riddled veterans.

[terse knoll]

hmm, how do we help Schafer without disobeying the Warden?

[eternal talon]

some of us didn't start as military, (most of the KSOs are kidnapped felsons from US penitentiaries).

[eternal talon]

we cannot.

in reference to r7, schaeffer put literal roadblocks in our way by method of sealing access to zones unless we cooperated with him.

[coral gorge]

yeah he made it so to complete the objective we had to do his thing

[eternal talon]

in a later effort, in r7d2, he cut the brakes on our freight lift to drag us out of range of our chips and biocom to do his special mission

[terse knoll]

I personally think we will have our freedom

[eternal talon]

we do not.

it is simply a matter of how KSOs are produced and controlled.

[terse knoll]

we have to have a story wrap up

an ending for better or worse

I can see 2 or 3 options. We can either die in a final last stand but that contradicts the fact we never lost a man

[coral gorge]

Rather for worse

[terse knoll]

or we can continue business as usual forever

[coral gorge]

we know what the warden wants to do

and whatever happens after will be a fucked up humanity

either due to lack of morality

or nam-v

[terse knoll]

the "Send us to a new planet"?

[eternal talon]

have a listen to the dialogue between schaeffer and henrikkson for some excellent commentary on the direct effects of KSOification.

[terse knoll]

we are going to see what writing team cooks up

humans if anything are bad at predicting

[terse knoll]

are the npc's in HSU's alive or dead?

I mean they could wait a thousand years for Nam-V virus to die out

[harsh pike]

if you query HSU's they give vitals I think

generally they are alive

[solemn kraken]

I think all the ones in KDS deep are at least

the other ones just lying around, not sure they aren't connected to anything it seems

But then there are a LOT in KDS deep

Altho now I think about it baby in R2E1 is not connected yet we revive it in R3 soooo guess they can all still be alive

[coral gorge]

Uhh they seem to be alive, but they cant exactly wait out nam-v… Not in ALT atleast as there nam-v will last forever, and even in og someone would have to pull them out of Garganta without taking the virus with them

[terse knoll]

why is Alt Nam-V worse?

[coral gorge]

Sleepers got out on the surface

and they are immortal nam-v hosts

so basically ALT earth is fucked till the sun explodes

[terse knoll]

OG earth has a chance?

[coral gorge]

as long as no one opens garganta

the virus should run out of hosts eventually

and the ecosystem will restart

[terse knoll]

What's Garganta? The door to outside?

[coral gorge]

Garganta is the complex

Its offical name

[terse knoll]

So Og Earth has a chance as long as the complex is sealed

[coral gorge]

yeah

[terse knoll]

how do we get out?

[coral gorge]

We dont thats the fun part

besides its unclear wether og worldline even still exists

[terse knoll]

so Alt is the new timeline?

[coral gorge]

due to the warden merging it with ALT

warden merged og with alt

unclear of what happened to og after

[terse knoll]

why? The Parasite it out

[coral gorge]

might have just gotten fully assimilitaed

[terse knoll]

Is the Warden trying to kill the earth?

the one worldline earth had a chance got trashed

the warden is an enemy of what's left of mankind

[solemn kraken]

the earth, humanity was still f'd by the virus

[terse knoll]

technically, if earth survives an intelligent species has the chance to evolve again by the time sun blows up

[solemn kraken]

Yes absolutely. But will probably be a new intelligent species

[terse knoll]

wait, could Nam-V survive a million years?

[solemn kraken]

All I am saddened by is that we probably keep yellow glowsticks due to the merge

Green was way better

[terse knoll]

in one million years we could have Ice ages gallore