gtfo-lore

[low folio]

well no virus/no parasite

[eternal talon]

Well what is it a zoo of then

[low folio]

everything ELSE.

humanity, other biological organisms, what the collectors are collecting

the bodies that the fliers, kracken, came from, had to be organisms at one point

[eternal talon]

I thought the log said "we collect the virus" or smhn

[low folio]

perhaps uninfected versions of those?

[low folio]

or they're trying to use RISE to make bodies that are totally immune to the virus

[eternal talon]

I wonder what an uninfected flyer would look like. Or the kraken, god that thing is hideously mutated

[burnt wren]

Probably a whale like creature of some sorts

[eternal talon]

My thoughts were always cuttlefish because of the skeletal (or cartilage?) Structure

[low folio]

Actually, it could also be a series of assimilated fauna

Still don’t have a good enough crew to see it in game though

I usually wind up playing solo

[burnt wren]

You can totally solo D1 me thinks

It'll be rough, but it's doable.

[eternal talon]

Ehhhhh I reckon the surge would be hell

[burnt wren]

If there's one thing bots know how to do is to how to scan.

[low folio]

Lol, I’m still having trouble with surges and errors

[burnt wren]

Are there surges on D1?

[low folio]

Need to get familiar with a knife so I can handle those

[eternal talon]

If there's one thing the bots know how to do its to how to die at inconvenient times

[low folio]

Yep

[eternal talon]

The pit before the TP room

[burnt wren]

That was a surge? I genuinely didn't notice.

[eternal talon]

It's like a class 6 surge

The enemies just have to run down 3 flights of stairs to get to you between respawns

[final sentinel]

uhhhhh R6D1

?

[eternal talon]

Yep

[final sentinel]

not a surge, just heavy enemies

Class VI M

[eternal talon]

What is respawn delay?

[final sentinel]

idk I can check

[cold sphinx]

which alarm?

[final sentinel]

it's uhhhh

idk lemme send u

[cold sphinx]

which alarm of R6D1 tho

[final sentinel]

Class 6

[cold sphinx]

apex?

[final sentinel]

yuh

[cold sphinx]

class VI mixed

12per wave

[final sentinel]

we got it

[cold sphinx]

and 15s every wave

[eternal talon]

Yeah, that's pretty standard. Huh. Guess I was wrong

[burnt wren]

The room is the main enemy

Sniper sentry goes into the trash

Not long enough corridors

[coral gorge]

R6D1 with bots is very easy

you can skip reactor

[cold sphinx]

bots

ewww

[coral gorge]

and as long as you can do the kraken fight on 15 health its easy

[low folio]

you can skip reactor with bots?

since fucking when?

[coral gorge]

its easier

than doing intended route

i fucked up reactor with bots

and with skipping it i did it first try

[low folio]

fair

[coral gorge]

the bots decimate the class 6

i had to shoot like 5 times before the scans ended

[plush nest]

Got to have that on site nuclear warhead

[coral gorge]

i mean we kinda do

im sure there are enough nuclear reactors in garganta to equal a nuke

[abstract shuttle]

Truer words have never been spoken

[abstract shuttle]

Each reactor equals a nuke lol

[plush nest]

I think we had taken a guess at how many nuclear reactors there was i think we got to around 20?

[coral gorge]

well the ingame ones dont seem to be full sized ones

[abstract shuttle]

We never see the full extent of them, we only see the control rooms

[plush nest]

Which what facility needs that much power?

[final sentinel]

this was literally the plot of Frostty's modded rundown XD

[coral gorge]

lmao

[final sentinel]

i think

[coral gorge]

a giant ass mining facility?

with labs

and a giant AI

and with a shit ton of HSU pods

[plush nest]

You don’t need that may nuclear reactors

[final sentinel]

i beg to differ

not only as a joke

[plush nest]

A single power plant can power a city of 50,000 I think

[coral gorge]

i feel like the reactors in Garganta are defo not full sized regular reactors

[final sentinel]

but also with the size and scale of the garganta operation

[abstract shuttle]

Biocom probably sucks up the equivalent of Europe in terms of power

[coral gorge]

yeah that too

maybe not entirety of Europe

cause believe me or not

that would be a lot of power

[abstract shuttle]

What if electro from spiderman was sucking up all the power for the least few decades?

And then the big reveal is that it's part of marvels cinematic universe

And then a 2 hour long cutscene plays

[eternal talon]

lmao, yeah. squads sent in to a B-site that went dark to prime reactors for remote detonation and/or backup start the timer on the thernomuclear warhead to destroy the site before the parasite gets out

[coral gorge]

if so, im gonna find the 10 chamber writers and throw them off the biggest building in sweden

[low folio]

wich is funny, since the parasite is already out

[coral gorge]

listen they tried

they tried really hard

[abstract shuttle]

But not in the OG timeline

[coral gorge]

we gotta appreciate their effort am i right frosty?

[eternal talon]

ehh, PT started development before alt// came out

[eternal talon]

yeah

[coral gorge]

also frosty didnt you just say the parasite was already out in pt?

or am i delusional

[eternal talon]

yeah. i didn't write it into og worldline canon, its its own worldline to give me freedom while developing its story

[coral gorge]

yay im not delusional

probably

[eternal talon]

imo in-canon worldlines is excellent for modders with custom rundowns

[abstract shuttle]

This gives me an idea for an April fools campaign

[unkempt imp]

tbh with you sounds like a transmission of a pulse like what you would get without waking a room like he/her is sneaking around

[lapis oasis]

I think it would be a good idea if you could access any discovered lore logs from a section on the rundown menu. So that you could replay them outside of missions, I feel like newer players would be more insentivised to find them all if we could view them later.

Just a thought

[eternal talon]

Not all of the logs are in the game to begin with.

Not to mention the especially problematic ones like the cipher logs that took the lore community as a whole weeks to crack

(Also many just aren't in the game anymore or are significantly changed in the alt// versions.)

[lapis oasis]

I see, I was just thinking because I wanted to listen to a log I found earlier but didn't want to repeat a long mission to try and find it again. Didn't realize there were that many exceptions.

[eternal talon]

You can find all logs archived on the wiki.

It's honestly better there for audio logs, as it's ripped straight from the files, no background noise

[stone vine]

[terse knoll]

is Sniper Turet shooting 50 cal?

[coral gorge]

i do not think we have gun caliber lore

but i might be wrong

[terse knoll]

guns do look dirty

did our maintenance guy die?

[coral gorge]

uh yes

[burnt wren]

Most likely. At best they get quickwashed by some machinery somewhere.

[burnt wren]

Considering it shoots basically same bullets and damage as Sniper Rifle - yes.

[coral gorge]

not most likely, if we had a maintanance guy he is very much dead... or as close as one can be to being dead in the complex

[terse knoll]

so if we are kept in hydro stasis, we don't shit?

or eat?

I wonder how many missions we need to actually get R&R

[coral gorge]

the fluid in the HSUs supplies us with nutrients

and we prolly dont have the need to shit cause we do not intake anything that would need to be shit out

[terse knoll]

what about thirst?

[coral gorge]

same as nutrients

the fluid hydrates us

[terse knoll]

but why keep us in hydrostasis all the time?

[coral gorge]

and i guess we dont need to pee cause it goes straight into our bloodstream or smth

[terse knoll]

can Warden afford a logging area?

[coral gorge]

well what else would we do other than be in HSU?

we operate on orders

without them the operatives would just stand in place

and its just an unneccesary risk cause missions presumably happen in quite big time intervals

[terse knoll]

do you think they done something to our life expectancy?

[coral gorge]

i do not believe so, but the HSUs might stop aging

[terse knoll]

we are immortal age wise them

let's assume a mission is 1 hour long

to us we can do 24 missions in span of what feels like a day

[coral gorge]

although it seems like after enough time in Hydrostasis a person becomes unusable (prolly cause some sorta brain damage occurs) so they are scrapped

[coral gorge]

yeah

[terse knoll]

doesn't it say we are unstable in starting screen?

Warden overrides it and redeploys

[coral gorge]

yeah but it seems like the warden ignores that

prolly cause the warden is in desperate need of operatives

and like even if the statistics dont say we should be deployed, it still does it

its quite probable we are "unimportant resources" to the warden

[terse knoll]

what about the nightmares?

is that the brain being damaged?

[coral gorge]

which nightmares?

the hallucinations we see in intro scene?

[terse knoll]

yeah

[coral gorge]

these are images of what the warden sees through the chip that is implanted in us

you can see the PDW scope in one of them and a sleeper

[terse knoll]

so why does the warden need to watch through our eyes?

[coral gorge]

it was just a function that came in with the chips when they were designed

extra security

and the warden just continoues to use it

[raw terrace]

warden more so oversees the entire operation

[coral gorge]

yeah

[raw terrace]

shown by how it knows about different organic beings and security door overrides n stuff

[terse knoll]

that feels a lot like Bain from Payday 2

[raw terrace]

always knowin what to do

[terse knoll]

same dev

what I can't explain is why some prisoners kill themselves

that isn't mission directive

R1D1 transmission

[raw terrace]

the r1d1 thing i guess
i mean i guess its more so warden doesnt care
we are not brainless things, we talk we communicate we take decisions
we just follow the basic orders or the warden

u can see by how we talk in game and just operate at our own level

the warden sees a guy dyin? doesnt care, wouldve died in some other way probs

[terse knoll]

so that one operative decided to go out his way?

[coral gorge]

might be super faulty and thus can rebel and shoot themselves

[coral gorge]

seems like it

wether the chip malfunction

or actually going mad

[terse knoll]

"I can't...I won't make it" bang

[coral gorge]

yeah might be either

[terse knoll]

seems deliberate

[coral gorge]

there is a transmission where the other operatives shoot a guy for not getting in a scan

[terse knoll]

so we clean up after other teams?

[raw terrace]

more like just another one that goes into em

[coral gorge]

not so clean up

just go do what they failed to

[raw terrace]

sometimes we a decoy :]

cof cof r6c3

[coral gorge]

or work alongside other teams

like R6D1

[coral gorge]

cough cough R5B4

[terse knoll]

Warden must love player team

I read canonically we have a 100% win and survival rate

[coral gorge]

yeah

we are god gamers

[raw terrace]

yeah :]

[terse knoll]

why? We aparentely forget our lives

so it's not experience

talent?

[raw terrace]

chadness

[coral gorge]

and luck

we do get some training injected into us with the chip

plus Woods and Hackett did have militairy experience so they presumably had talent

and also we didnt forget everything

the characters still have... well character

also its possible our memories of the time in the complex get saved on the chips

meaning we might have simply been a team for a good while and got experience from it

[terse knoll]

how does Warden change our gear?

[coral gorge]

we most likely have it come down a seperate box that we just dont see in gameplay

or smth else that happens offscreen

[terse knoll]

think so too, we are weaponless when we drop

so weapons are probably stashed behind the drop pod. And dropped once touched down

but Warden is stingy with ammo

we get 60% ish

does he expect us to die?

[coral gorge]

perhaps

or

it is rationing the ammo

as it does have a finite supply

lurker is lurking in lore chat?

[gaunt sun]

we are expendable were are expected to do are task he dosent care if we die

[terse knoll]

can't we automate ammo production?

[gaunt sun]

why waste resources on something you dont expect to make it back

[terse knoll]

true

[coral gorge]

how it lacks resources

where is it gonna get gunpowder from?

the metal for the shells?

and all the other things a bullet needs

[terse knoll]

if we are on a tight of a budget like UIU

what's the aim of the Warden?

[coral gorge]

that was unknown until ALT R6

[terse knoll]

I noticed R1 has 2 missions involving reactors

R1C1 and R1D1

[gaunt sun]

alt r1 had an answer aswell

[coral gorge]

||in alt R6 it was revealed the warden is a creation of some aliens and it seems to seek to create a portal to a world without the virus||

[gaunt sun]

the log in b1 tells us info

[coral gorge]

did it?

i dont remember that

[gaunt sun]

ill get the log real quick

[coral gorge]

but its prolly just me and not remembering the logs on memory

[terse knoll]

so Warden wants to save remaining of humanity?

[coral gorge]

atleast thats what we were told

[burnt wren]

Or so it claims

[terse knoll]

could our guys even be rehabilitated if we make it through?

or we get locked up in a mental hospital?

[burnt wren]

Maybe some PTSD treatment, but that's about it./

[terse knoll]

in the virus less dimension

[burnt wren]

Our guys are monsters, each in their own way.

[coral gorge]

yeah

[burnt wren]

This is now normal for them.

[coral gorge]

if their memories from before becoming KSOs would be returned to them

they would either go insane or just continoue to commit terrible things

and even if not, the time in the complex would have surely distorted their morality and sanity

[terse knoll]

I don't think everyone is a monster

maybe nature vs nurture?

[coral gorge]

do you know what our characters did before becoming KSOs?

Dauda ran experiments on humans

[terse knoll]

yeah, 3 did murders and 1 was a blackmailer

[coral gorge]

yeah

so not exactly good people

[terse knoll]

we don't kill eachother

[gaunt sun]

left to right

[coral gorge]

plus who knows what bishop did in the civil war

[terse knoll]

so we can coexist

[coral gorge]

if they would do so, they would doom themselves

[terse knoll]

I like to think in my head canon there is a life past all of this

a victory for mankind

[coral gorge]

oh so HSUs kill the virus

mankind is fuckin dead

[burnt wren]

As long as our guys can get the virus out and teleport without catching it again

But if even one infected human gets through - that world will be lost all the same

[terse knoll]

the remnants of mankind

[burnt wren]

"The Virus is the dominant life form in every membrane it occupies"

Nam-V wins. Every single time.

[coral gorge]

yeah

humanity cannot win

it can only cut its loses

[burnt wren]

The only victory condition is to not engage - ever.

[terse knoll]

What's that status at the starting screen?

Infection: Low

[coral gorge]

presumably the presence of nam-v

[terse knoll]

We aren't sleepers, so what gives?

or dead

I think sleepers are Nam-V victims

[coral gorge]

nam-v is killed by the HSUs

so it prolly shows how much of it was eradicated

in the body

[terse knoll]

So as long as we are disinfected by HSU we are alive?

[coral gorge]

sleepers are victims of nam-v and the parasite

nam-v itself just kills

[coral gorge]

the HSU doesnt exactly disifnect but fuckin kills you, which also happens to kill the virus

[terse knoll]

saw a female sleeper once, poor girl

put her to rest

[coral gorge]

oh they get even more funky

[terse knoll]

can Nam-V get on weapons?

[burnt wren]

Probably

[coral gorge]

its an ultra virus

it can be on everything and anything most likely

[terse knoll]

so gas masks keep us on oxygen?

[coral gorge]

hard to tell what they do

they might stop the nam-v from getting in

and only let pure air in

[terse knoll]

we can cough from lines I seen

so something gets in

[coral gorge]

or they are a remnant from when the complex was an active mining site and had the risk of heavy metals getting in ones lungs

[coral gorge]

have you played R2 and beyond yet?

[terse knoll]

No, only R1

[coral gorge]

in R2 you'll see what can get in the mask

[terse knoll]

finishing it tonight

[coral gorge]

good luck with D1

[burnt wren]

Also just read up the pinned document of this channel. "Lore for dummies" or something like that.

[terse knoll]

can I knife shadows?

[burnt wren]

Our local lore man summarised about everything he could without going into autistic details of everything.

[coral gorge]

yes

[coral gorge]

minus ALT R6 which i dont think it was updated with yet

[terse knoll]

how do I know where the head is?

[coral gorge]

shine your light

[burnt wren]

Guess.

[coral gorge]

and guess

[burnt wren]

Shine your light, remember where head was, hit there

[coral gorge]

and if its awake use the bio ping to sorta asses where it can be

[burnt wren]

Or shine the light and hit it while it still goes through the wake up routine

[coral gorge]

or use thermal scopes

[terse knoll]

can I use the crosshair shrinking as idea?

[coral gorge]

yes

[burnt wren]

Yes, that's what everyone does

[terse knoll]

wait so shadows spawn in D1?

[coral gorge]

m a y b e

no spoilers =)

[terse knoll]

Why is the knife so weird?

[coral gorge]

wdym

[terse knoll]

looks like a single edged blade where should be a jaged blade

[coral gorge]

guess its a futuristic knife

or something

[terse knoll]

also blade goes back down after the tip

[coral gorge]

its like 2080 maybe they have a new design

[terse knoll]

what about the hollowed bit inside?

I can see it being used as a tool

[raw terrace]

is so the meat doesnt get stuck on the knife as u cut

:3

[burnt wren]

Me thinks that's gonna do the opposite

Probably some utility feature

Maybe you're supposed to put some wedges into it or something

[eternal talon]

average morning... 228 messages. okay. this is gonna take me a bit.

[eternal talon]

keep us in working order and controlled (no diseases, injuries, keeping us without memory, etc)

[eternal talon]

by effects of being near-death, i wouldn't really say "stop", but significantly slowed

[terse knoll]

I think memories of missions might be kept for experience

[eternal talon]

iirc class f (faulty) are mostly contaminated hsus themselves. a log also states they were using the body parts from these dead KSOs for transplants. kinda unethical

[coral gorge]

thats lovely

[terse knoll]

players are F class?

[coral gorge]

frosty do you remember what classes did all of the squad members have?

woods is F i think

hackett was os maybe?

or smrh

i dont remember

[eternal talon]

to make sure we are doing what it says (while we are in range) and to keep an eye on mission progress in case we die or something so the next run can go better with a different squad

[coral gorge]

besides im sure warden enjoys having eyes

unless it already has eyes

then well

[eternal talon]

we can't really disobey the warden. we are mentally incapable of doing so while within range. our only goals are the stacks.

[eternal talon]

in the case of schaeffer, it was probably the warden thinking he was dead and not issuing further commands (then schaeffer removed it)

[coral gorge]

So i suppose the guy that ends himself was prolly so useless the warden allowed him to die

[eternal talon]

for the most part, yes. you can see that in the rundown screen last transmissions

[terse knoll]

so why did previous R1D1 operative off himself?

[coral gorge]

yeah

[eternal talon]

video game magic

[coral gorge]

some times, other times its transmissions of our team… somehow

g a m e m a g i c

[eternal talon]

(we dont know and he couldn't possibly fit equipment in our drop-down-HSUs)

[coral gorge]

i mean we go down with out equipment on out backs with it sticking out the back of the pod

[eternal talon]

whatever the collectors want. right now it wants us gone. after that? who knows. we probably will never know.

[coral gorge]

prolly find a new world to add to the zoo

[eternal talon]

i wouldn't be so bold... moreso it wants us out of the way of its zoo. like shooing away annoying pests you dont have the energy to really deal with

[terse knoll]

who?

[coral gorge]

asking about collectors?

they are the aliens

[eternal talon]

like ex-vets who cant handle life outside the army

[terse knoll]

yeah, those the aliens?

[coral gorge]

one of them is the warden… or they made the warden

thats hard to tell

[eternal talon]

even in different worldlines our squadmates are terrible terrible people

[terse knoll]

is this our purgatory?

we can't die

[eternal talon]

dauda's work is much worse than murder. its biological experimentation on unwilling subjects. thats like concentration camp shit

[coral gorge]

crashed into the earth with the asteroid that doomed the dinos and a super virus on board, then got put into artifical bodies by the warden to go put humans in some sorta zoo

[coral gorge]

1939 moment

[eternal talon]

we'd have to find a way to sterilize literally everything we use/take with us for the trip

[coral gorge]

or leave it behind

i guess

[eternal talon]

the game was literally rigged from the start lol

[terse knoll]

Is GTFO universe worst timeline?

[coral gorge]

uhh not really

depends i guess

[eternal talon]

it can get on everything. the only thing that stopped its transmission is by literally having nothing -- the vaccum of space

[coral gorge]

the ALT timeline is one of the worst

[eternal talon]

this seems most likely imo

[coral gorge]

as earth will be forever haunted by nam-v

[eternal talon]

*she

[coral gorge]

in og timeline earth just had an mass extinction event

so not super bad

still bad for humans

[eternal talon]

we know the warden stores some, as we know certain KSO quads were capable of using c-foam launchers despite never being introduced to or knowing the existance of such items

[terse knoll]

so how is alt worse?

[coral gorge]

Sleepers got out on the surface

making nam-v immortal on it

[terse knoll]

so in main they never did? But you said Humanity is already extinct

[eternal talon]

not all.
GO - Genesis Operative
T - Tau
F - Faulty
O - ...Sigma?

BISHOP, FRANK GO-1395
HACKETT, AIDEN O-4711
WOODS, ISAIAH F-2056
DAUDA, ABEO T-3701

[eternal talon]

yep just posted

[coral gorge]

nam-v reaches the surface either way and masacrates humanity

in alt the parasite also gets out

[eternal talon]

not really. biocom is just a giant computer.

[coral gorge]

turning people into sleepers

[eternal talon]

i'm actually not familiar with this incedent

[coral gorge]

yeah sigma i think

[terse knoll]

how would we escape to non extinction dimension?

[coral gorge]

jump gates

there are a couple in the complex

[eternal talon]

no, this hell is very real

[eternal talon]

meaning we are badass motherfuckers.

[coral gorge]

and then we would need a matter wave projector calibrates for the world we want… which i guess the aliens would have to do

[terse knoll]

but how can we jump without dooming the next dimension?

[coral gorge]

its their tech after all

[eternal talon]

depends. gtfo has many timelines

[coral gorge]

We would destroy the jump gate after going through it

Other than that

no idea

[terse knoll]

arent we contaminated?

[eternal talon]

only nam-v got out. nam-v fucking killed everything. the parasite is required to create sleepers. the parasite keeps these infected hosts (and the virus) alive indefinately

[coral gorge]

possibly

[eternal talon]

alien deus ex machina

[burnt wren]

Naked teleportation, terminator style.

[coral gorge]

yeah probably

get in an HSU

get in the portal

[eternal talon]

we'd have to get new data-cubes to get coordinates for a new worldline.

[coral gorge]

shut it down instantly

[eternal talon]

so far we've been using the ones insight found

[coral gorge]

i mean the aliens should know where these are

its their tech

its their idea

[eternal talon]

this is the biggest point. it'd be really difficult not to

[terse knoll]

but why virus bomb earth?

[eternal talon]

yes

[coral gorge]

it came with the aliens

hard to tell if it was intended or not

[eternal talon]

the complex is thoroughly contaminated.

[terse knoll]

yeah, why did the aliens have a Species wipe out virus?

[eternal talon]

we'd get reinfected just walking to a new jump gate

[coral gorge]

Either their own problem or some sorta bio weapon

the aliens didnt seem to like the virus either

[eternal talon]

ah... so thats what that datamined prefab tile is for...

[coral gorge]

the WHAT

[eternal talon]

i cannot say.

[coral gorge]

did i just predict R8

[eternal talon]

will dm

[coral gorge]

hm

[terse knoll]

I will keep fighting until we are home free

[coral gorge]

you are gonna be fighting for a while

[terse knoll]

fight our way out of hell

[coral gorge]

id would be funny if it all ends with another alien ship crashing into the world we escape to

and just fucks us again

[eternal talon]

yes, they should do

[eternal talon]

was unintentional it seems most likely. a crashed ship trying to escape destination

[coral gorge]

or a diff world

that isnt destination

who knows

[eternal talon]

i doubt it was intentional. probably snuck onto their ship

given it crashed and as far as we know all the crew died, it probably broke out and infected everyone onboard

[coral gorge]

and then the aliens casually come back to life

[eternal talon]

very, but honestly i think the most likely ending is us accidentally bringing nam-v with us and having it end on a cliffhanger

because of how damn viral it is

[coral gorge]

yeah the characters just fall over and start making sleeper noises

[coral gorge]

also ofc hackett is sigma as the best character

[eternal talon]

also notice the classifications are GTFO

[coral gorge]

yeah i know

[eternal talon]

neat little thing.

[coral gorge]

the true reason for the title

[eternal talon]

get the fuck out

[coral gorge]

also i wonder how do the classes get given (other than the faulty one which is quite obvious)

is T for people who worked in the complex before?

[eternal talon]

its spread out across a number of different logs. we have... very limited descriptions of the classifications

[coral gorge]

faulty is atleast obvious

due to Woods log

[eternal talon]

**Subject: Behavioral anomalies among Sigma gen

Ms. Klein,

I recommend only using Tau gen until we have fully investigated the issue with Sigma gen. The Pretoria lab is running some tests on our GOs and our remaining Sigmas to isolate the behaviors you mentioned. A few questions:

1. Can you send photos of the self-harm you indicated with 0-2056? We need to confirm if the scarring is indiscriminate or definitely religious. Our records show this operative has exhibited similar behavior before, despite multiple resets.

2. The head banging behavior is known in toddlers, but we did not see that behavior in any of the Genesis Operatives. Does it start immediately after resuscitation, or after some period of time? I would like video evidence for the records and a more detailed report please.

3. Can you send me a list of the operatives you marked as faulty and sent to recycling? We track both organ and tissue stocks here so we can trace the history should we need it.**

**Subject: Psychological encoding

Mr. Johanson,

With regards to the psychological matching of our operatives, we have found that each designation has a tendency to take a specific role within the quad. Genesis often establish themselves as leaders within a few minutes, as is to be expected with the increased 5-HT receptors. The designations do allow for flexibility of course. We have several quads where operatives marked as Faulty have assumed a leadership role, making me question our classification criteria. It may be that our standards are too stringent (excepting injury or physical incapability obviously), and we should be less hasty marking an operative as faulty when we see mental aberrations. The deviations happen more often when the operative is placed under extreme duress, or if an objective requires extensive violent engagement. I believe we expect too much given their social circumstance prior to acquisition. Despite extensive protein supplements, those embedded behaviors are going to surface and we should develop a curriculum to deal with them rather than throwing them on the trash heap.

This, of course, is all moot pending Rise, but who knows how long that will be.

At some point I’d like to address the auditory response irregularity noted in my previous report. While the short-term solution is to simply offer ear protection for operatives who are overly sensitive to certain frequencies, I’d like to put together a team to research the problem. Let me know.

We continue to strive for the perfect quad.**

[coral gorge]

hm so

GO and T seem quite perfect

sigma seemed to have some odd issues

(maybe incorrect resuscitation?)

like madox

and F just are faulty

[eternal talon]

These HSUs are all F/Infected classification so I guess it wouldn’t be the end of the world if we lost the meat, but the freezers may come in handy someday - or at least we may end up needing them as Deep backups or organ donations etc.

[eternal talon]

well that usually just leads to immediate death

[coral gorge]

I mean

madox happened

sigmas might have had a thing similiar to madox just a bit more comprehensible

[eternal talon]

thats what i mean. he died in under a minute

[coral gorge]

wait he died on his own?

i thought schafer killed him

[eternal talon]

he was probably mentally gone by like second 12

[coral gorge]

by accident

[eternal talon]

in self defense, but he was already dying.

gimme a sec

[coral gorge]

oh

[burnt wren]

His brain was melting

[eternal talon]

**Schaeffer
Okay, come on John… you can fix this!
Notes… Notes, notes, notes, notes…
Here… hydrostasis revival…

“Before the synthiotic fluid transfusion begins,
a hydrokinetic solution must be administered to prevent…
catastrophic neocortical tissue collapse.
Without it, the subject will become violent and exhibit uncontrolled…”

“The solution is automatically administered by the D.I. controller
prior to the reanimation procedure. However, should the HSU be isolated
from a capable interface, the solution must be administered manually.”

Manually? Oh… Maddox. Okay, where do I get it?

Preparation… no… procedure… research! Let’s see…
“The study of hydrokinetic energy production in plants has provided a foundation for synthesizing hydrokinetic solution and other revival…”

Plants! Yes! That’s why they’re everywhere! Okay. That’s a plan!**

[coral gorge]

Hm it doesnt say it kills the subject

[eternal talon]

i mean... catastrophic neocortical tissue collapse.

[coral gorge]

oh

im blind

that seems like it would kill

i cant help but wonder how does that even occur

like the fuck does the hsu do to cause it

[eternal talon]

**Hydrostasis - a process that allows humans to be held in a state of suspended animation for weeks, months, even years at a time without suffering any ill-effects. The nuts and bolts of the process are a closely guarded secret, but sources speculate that the procedure likely uses a synthetic amniotic fluid to sustain and protect the body while it is in an induced comatose state. In this state, the body is - for all intents and purposes - dead, but no cell deterioration or physical decay occurs. For the human in Hydrostasis, the heart, and time, stops.

Hydrostasis is not without its critics. Many have decried Kovac Research's tendency to gloss over the problems found in the recently completed first human trials - namely that participants have suffered\ some neural degradation and “minor” memory loss. There have also been questions raised about who Kovac Research is using for the human trials, with some suggesting that participation may not be entirely voluntary.**

**Yesterday, the European Space Agency dropped a bomb on Kovac Defensive Services. They are severing ties and pulling all funding from the military contractor giants. They aren’t cutting back. There is no measured disentanglement over the next few years. The ESA is out. Now.

This is almost certainly due to the papers that InfoLeak revealed last week. The revelation that Hydrostasis severely affects long-term memory is bad for Kovac. The fact that they knew about it before Red Alpha and didn’t tell the ESA is worse. Kovac is in the middle of a public relations nightmare, and the ESA want nothing to do with it.

While there is still no evidence (yet) that the use of Hydrostasis had anything to do with the failure of the Red Alpha mission, there are still several questions left to be answered. The investigation into the crash landing on Mars lays the blame on “human error”, citing security concerns as the reason a more detailed explanation will not be forthcoming. There is data available for the public to review - but there are no black box recordings from on board Red Alpha in the hours leading up to its uncontrolled descent through the Martian atmosphere. Whatever the crew said or did remains a mystery to anyone outside of the ESA and will likely remain that way for the foreseeable future. Funding for the ESA remains under tight scrutiny, and it is natural to assume they would suppress any revelations that may damage their reputation.**

**What is known for sure is that the crew successfully woke from Hydrostasis 72 hours before the scheduled Martian descent. There was no indication of any issues with the ship, and the automated guidance system had put them exactly where they needed to be. We know that the ship has had an internal temperature of 23 Celsius, as expected. We know that the water electrolysis system was working and producing oxygen in precise quantities. We even know what time the interior lighting system was simulating - 08:00 UTC to be precise. We know atmospheric filtering showed exactly the right amount of carbon dioxide present in the cabin, suggesting that all six of the crew were up and moving around the ship within a few hours. What we don’t know is why Red Alpha went from mission normal to mission critical by 14:00 UTC that same day.

First the ship drifted from its programmed orbit, something that could only happen if the navigation system failed, or by human intervention. Next, the communication relays stopped sending telemetry to Kourou, again either by catastrophic failure, or someone pulled the plug. At 11:57 UTC, the primary propulsion engines were ignited, and the ship started it’s final, fatal journey. There, the knowledge of anyone outside of the ESA ends.

Which is why the revelation that Hydrostasis causes long-term memory damage may offer some insight into the problems on board Red Alpha on the day of

//file ends.**

this is literally all the logs we have on how hydrostasis works

[coral gorge]

thats great

nothing mentions a mechanic that would cause

”catastrophic neocortical tissue collapse”

[burnt wren]

Do we even understand what that means

[coral gorge]

N o ?

[burnt wren]

i recognise words "catastriphic", "tissue" and "collapse"

[eternal talon]

The neocortex, also called the neopallium, isocortex, or the six-layered cortex, is a set of layers of the mammalian cerebral cortex involved in higher-order brain functions such as sensory perception, cognition, generation of motor commands,[1] spatial reasoning and language.[2]

[coral gorge]

that sounds like smth along the lines of brain/cranium neural system failure

[burnt wren]

relating to the part of the cerebral cortex concerned with sight and hearing in mammals.

[coral gorge]

yeah

[coral gorge]

so basically if it fails - you lose control over most of your body

now

how the fuck does HSU cause it

[eternal talon]

and how to talk/think/understand language and where you are

[coral gorge]

does it like deteorieate it?

[burnt wren]

Probably the same way real life freezing stasis kills you

We technically can freeze into a solid state and then unfreeze you

[eternal talon]

crystals form in blood which causes damage when it thaws

[coral gorge]

i mean we still dont know why do we get memory loss

[burnt wren]

The problem is that human cells are not capable of withstanding the unfreezing procedure

And just... Fall apart. Or collapse.

[coral gorge]

the most plausible theory would be brain damage

[burnt wren]

I assume hydrostasis does the same in some way

[eternal talon]

cryostasis works on hampsters... but not humans. we too big.

[burnt wren]

It technically kills you. Everything stops.

[eternal talon]

blood freezes too slowly

[coral gorge]

so… hydrostasis doesnt stop all your cells from breaking

[burnt wren]

Putting life on pause is not an issue. Restarting it is.

[eternal talon]

its a plant-based anti-icer

[coral gorge]

and an extra thingy is needed to stop it from happening

[coral gorge]

oddly enough it doesnt seem to stop memory loss, so that must be smth else

[burnt wren]

So when you wake up - it can be assumed that the neocrotical cells just fuckin go "uuuh, ooops, sorry, we're dead actually" and just fucking' explode or something.

[coral gorge]

probably

[eternal talon]

memories are literally neurons firing in a specific patterns. when your brain freezes and slows, they slow down the rate at which they fire or stop firing entirely.

THAT is the memory loss cause

[burnt wren]

And the fluid in question acts as some sort of vitamin to give them a boost to withstand the wake up procedure

Now again: why the fuck is that not pre-installed into all HSUs by default is another question.

[eternal talon]

money?

also for the red alpha mission, they didnt even know about it

[coral gorge]

or its too complicated

[coral gorge]

youd expect them to do their human trials thoroughly wouldnt they

[burnt wren]

Apparently they make it from the plants in the Gardens Biome

Wether that is exclusive to gargantha or they are just random ass plants is a whole other question

[coral gorge]

m e t h f e r n s

[eternal talon]

"what do you mean? that WAS the human trials"

[coral gorge]

might be bio-enginered

[coral gorge]

trash trails if they didnt realise ones brain can explode

dauda was a trash scientist

[eternal talon]

no, he was a brilliant scientist. just trash morals

[coral gorge]

Im just joking

[coral gorge]

M E T H F E R N S

[burnt wren]

Actually that looks like dinosaur plant

I forgot its' fucking name

You see it all the time when you watch Walking with Dinosaurs

God, what an amazing documentary series...

I should try google some torrent for it or something and rewatch the entire thing

I used to watch that thing all the time as a kid. Had it on VHS or something.

[abstract shuttle]

A fern?

[lilac island]

I see those plants in forests

[low folio]

So, a brilliant scientist.

[tulip bay]

Wtf did they do to the lore

[crisp citrus]

the parallel world thing?

[tulip bay]

Has it been a complete rewrite for ALT?

[crisp citrus]

schaeffer sayinng the warden wants to help

[tulip bay]

I'm just reading through the ALT6 logs and they changed a huge amount

[eternal talon]

Not technically

[eternal talon]

It's not changed per se... you are reading logs from a different universe than the one you played in before.

This has been the case for the entirety of alt//

[tulip bay]

I guess the next question; are they going to ALT//ify r7 or are they just going to leave it as is 🤡

[eternal talon]

No. After alt//r6, they are jumping to r8 -- and that will be the FINAL rundown

Afterwards we have no guarantee of content.

[harsh pike]

if r8 isn't in the alt timeline im curious wtf the point was

[coral gorge]

i love the "we didnt rewrite the whole story we just moved it to a new timeline"

[harsh pike]

one coherent storyline? nah, we don't do that here.

[coral gorge]

i guess ALT schafer comes with us to the og?

other than that it would make no sense for R8 to be og

[harsh pike]

maybe? it would be cool to actually have a choice (believe alt schaeffer or OG schaeffer)

[coral gorge]

yeah

[harsh pike]

but also WRDN in the original timeline might not evne have the same goal?

[coral gorge]

i kinda expect that

[tulip bay]

My point is, for new players they will see that the 'warden is the good guy' in ALT//6 then immediately Schaeffer is 'fuck the warden' in r7

[harsh pike]

i just feel like they didn't know where to go with the story after we fucked up WRDN at the end of 7

[coral gorge]

i mean... it was making units? seemed like it intended to do the same thing, maybe it was just slower in doing it

[tulip bay]

Stupid if they don't redo the lore for r7

[harsh pike]

exactly. incoherent story for a new player

and IMO OG lore was better

[harsh pike]

yeah, the RISE project was the same

I really wish they never did alts

trying to explain the story to a new player is ridiculous

or rather, just didn't make them canon

[eternal talon]

To be honest else what, leave the game in r8 with a single rundown?

[harsh pike]

i phrased it wrong

[eternal talon]

That's the thing, they say they made them lore distinct in a way to "justify them"

[harsh pike]

i'm glad they brought them back, NOT glad they made them canonically different

[coral gorge]

yeah

i feel like if ALTs were just og rundowns that were remastered

[harsh pike]

just another 10cc insane logic IMO. there was no need to 'justify' bringing back 6/7ths of the content for your game

the budget they spent towards re-voice-acting all the logs, character interviews, etc could've gone towards way more important things

[coral gorge]

with maybe some new lore bits but without a full new storyline

[eternal talon]

This game's only life after r8 will be modders and custom rundowns, Alt//, OG, or not

[coral gorge]

well we shall see what R8 brings and hopefully it makes the story comprehensible

[harsh pike]

(it won't)

[coral gorge]

unless they return to GTFO after a while

which would be nice

[eternal talon]

If they will it will be a sequel. They won't continue to add to the clusterfuck that is this game's code at current.

[tulip bay]

Anyone else expect (based on the sizes of the rundowns on the rundown select screen) that r8 will be the smallest rundown?

[harsh pike]

that size isn't really reflective of them is it

r6's one is small and t's the biggest rundown

[coral gorge]

they prolly just run out of space in the menu

so they made R8 smol for the time being

[eternal talon]

Really can't be smaller than r1. Only 6 expis

[coral gorge]

or forever

[tulip bay]

Hopefully

[harsh pike]

i'd hope R8 will be big

[eternal talon]

Honestly 10-12 is about what I expect. On par or close to r6 and r7

[naive crow]

they've said r8 will make the game have over 80 expeditions
so bare minimum 9

[terse knoll]

why is R2C2 glitching out?

we got a glitchy instruction

[coral gorge]

you'll see once you drop in

it introduces a new mechanic

[crisp citrus]

Praying r8 has 29 expeditions to get to an even 100

Assuming we have 71 now (can't remember)

[lofty warren]

Hi, back after a longer while but whatever happened to the pinned posts? The docs, I was kind of hoping to get more insight into what new knowledge is available now.

Nevermind

They are visible now all of a sudden…

[eternal talon]

The "for dummies" document should still be available...

[lofty warren]

It is, but for some reason everything was wiped when I opened it. Must have been a glitch.

[terse knoll]

how did R2C2 team disobey the warden?

I thought chips prevented that

[coral gorge]

chip malfunction probably

[raw terrace]

they didnt

did they?

[coral gorge]

or they were faulty from the beginning

[terse knoll]

in transmition they said they ain't taking a step further

got wiped out

[coral gorge]

im pretty sure the team that was first sent into C2 refused to progress so the warden started the error alarm to get them to move

and it kinda left the error on when we arrived

[raw terrace]

ah, we as people with the chips we can take decision, warden sends us to do stuff and we do it but in many flacour texts or even in our own playthtoughs we can do different stuff

but at the end the only way to live is by, doin the objective

or at least thats how i think of it

[coral gorge]

the guys either had maflucntioning chips, or just found some sorta loophole

[raw terrace]

i mean henrrikson hoped into the funk machine still with the chip on

i defend its just like a cohersion kinda thing

where we can do stuff by ourselves, but we cant either way cause we need to keep livin

so we do objectives n stuff

[terse knoll]

Maybe they broke the chips?

[coral gorge]

probably

[terse knoll]

I think the chip is in the frontal cortex. That's what Warden connects to

[coral gorge]

yup

the chips also crash when they are in too strong of a magnetic field

[terse knoll]

if we survive this all, could our guys live in Civilian civilisation?

could pass for veterans with ptsd

maybe break the chips?

[raw terrace]

civilization is kinda ded

[terse knoll]

no, I mean no virus dimension

the end goal

escape to a timeline the virus never killed humanity

The Complex has those gates but no idea how to escape without being compromised

maybe Rundown 8?

[coral gorge]

yeah presumably R8

and our guys would prolly either be unfit for civilisation

or immoral

like they were before the complex

[burnt wren]

I don't think we're surviving this

Not sure a happy ending fits our guys

I predict either a trap or a heroic last stand to hold off the hordes

[eternal talon]

"Escape for thee but not for me"

[terse knoll]

to be honest, this is our hell

people too broken for a peaceful life

but I still hope for a happy ending

[abstract shuttle]

The aliens put us in stasis permanently

[burnt wren]

Potential scenario:

Squad gets teleported to the jungle-world Durant's new logs were talking about (or something similiar).
Water supply and food supply clearly present
Hackett: "Well... What do we do now?"
...
Woods: "We get to work. Together."
Cue in title drop and 90s rock or something

Cheesy, but i'll take it

[terse knoll]

survive on a jungle world?

[coral gorge]

im still wondering how/ will henrikson and madox get woken up

[coral gorge]

i mean, that was the original environment of most apes

so i guess back to the beginning

just as way smarter apes

[terse knoll]

Well we aren't reproducing so might as well live the rest of our lives in a forest

beats getting eaten alive by sleepers

[coral gorge]

i mean

its possible there are female KSOs

[terse knoll]

possible

[coral gorge]

and i doubt the aliens wil only take our squad and schafer

[terse knoll]

but how can the surviving KSO gain free will?

[coral gorge]

Chips should lose functionality

Plus

they can be forcibly removed

schafer managed to get rid of his and henriksons

[terse knoll]

we might have issues with mental disorders and lack of morality

[eternal talon]

With the use of a highly advanced machine...

Not just flint and a spear

[coral gorge]

Its not like manking exactly had them to begin with

[terse knoll]

living in nature might ease up the crazy

[coral gorge]

I feel like the chips will either just lose connection to biocom and shut down or the aliens will free us before sending us on our merry way

[terse knoll]

so our happy ending would be gaining freedom and restarting humanity on a new world?

[coral gorge]

Or atleast trying to

the only other happy ending i could see is

complete and utter ending of our existence

so the squd can rest in peace

which is debatable on if it would be a happy ending

[terse knoll]

death or freedom we will see what devs cook up

[coral gorge]

watch us get neither

forever cursed to be on the verge of life as sleepers

[eternal talon]

From what I've seen... looks like death, but they could easily be hiding things not yet in the public build

[coral gorge]

although regular sleepers seem to have their human selves very dead

[terse knoll]

we will fight our way out of hell

[coral gorge]

you know, its possible we get 2 endings depending which schafer we trust

or smth along these lines

[eternal talon]

Maybe? But then they've gotta make a system where a choice is even possible

As the objective DBs are currently, there can only be one trigger for the end level. It's 100% linear

[coral gorge]

well we shall see then

[terse knoll]

who is Schaffer?

[eternal talon]

I honestly think it'd be funny if the final level of gtfo is actually impossible -- like no extraction, you can only die

[coral gorge]

a prisoner who went rogue

We helped him hack the warden in R7

then in ALT R6 we got introduced to his alt version which trusts the aliens

[eternal talon]

Santonian employee. A manager of sorts. He was the last surviving staff member in garganta. He followed KSOs down to KDS-Deep through the vents ala half-life. Sleepers were chasing him however, so he sealed the doors to KDS-Deep once he got there. Afterwards, he couldn't get them back open again. After about a week and to avoid starving to death, he entered an HSU and became the KSO we know today. Warden assigned him to a squad, and in OG, he broke free and has since been waking KSOs and disconnecting them (henrikkson and maddox), and hosting an active rebellion against the warden. In alt//, he decided to work with the warden. If the two schaeffers met, they very much so wouldn't like eachother

[coral gorge]

i smell a schafer essay brewing

[eternal talon]

Lmao

[coral gorge]

my predictions are still on point

[terse knoll]

wait, so Alt1-6 aren't the main Canon?

[coral gorge]

not but yes

[terse knoll]

only R7?

[coral gorge]

R7 was the og timeline

after it wardrn yeeted us into ALT

[terse knoll]

So R1-7

then Alt 1-6?

[coral gorge]

yup

and them R8

either in ALT

or back in og

[terse knoll]

so Alt 7 can not exist?

[coral gorge]

we dont know

[burnt wren]

It can

[coral gorge]

there will be no alt R7

[burnt wren]

Devs just don't want to

Its extra work for... What reason, exactly?

Players will crucify them for adding a literal copypaste of content that's already available

[solemn kraken]

It's just not what they want

[crisp citrus]

ngl

why not just

take r7

blow it up lore wise

add an alt label to it

and do some new voicelines and terminal logs

if 6/7 are alt storyline

why make 7 and 8 non alt

pretend we've always been in alt timeline...

[eternal talon]

Because the gameplay would be identical and everyone would haaaaate that?

[eternal talon]

Bruh... that defeats the purpose of the entire story

[crisp citrus]

they arent making an alt for r7 though

i kinda doubt they are

since they said r8 is possibly the last of the updates

[crisp citrus]

same can be said for the random jump to alternate timeline in the first place

[eternal talon]

It is the last rundown. Regardless of future updates and bugfixes

[crisp citrus]

so then why would it matter if the gameplay is the same

cleaning up the story would be nice

[eternal talon]

Not at all. We are still playing the original characters and original schaeffer is in alt.

[solemn kraken]

You are right this was confirmed by Calle on this discord not too long ago

[crisp citrus]

the original is in alt? then why is he suddenly supportive of the warden

saying the warden isnt our enemy and all

[eternal talon]

i never said they were? i said specifically they ARENT

[crisp citrus]

yeah so why mention "the gameplay would be identical"

obvs it would be if they arent making an alt

but why have 6 alts and then 2 normal?

[eternal talon]

you are confused. that isn't our schaeffer. that is alt//schaeffer. you hear ours banging in morse code in alt//r1d1. he hasn't talked to us directly yet.

[crisp citrus]

man

[eternal talon]

why not just
take r7
blow it up lore wise
add an alt label to it
and do some new voicelines and terminal logs

[crisp citrus]

yea

make it fit into alt

[eternal talon]

did you even read your own comment?

[crisp citrus]

ik the gameplay would be identical

but the fact that we come from an alternate timeline is just

random

[eternal talon]

it doesnt fit into alt because it isn't alt. its the last part in the game so far that is our orignal worldline

we do not know if r8 is in alt// or not

[eternal talon]

we've been to *6 of them so far... hardly random

[crisp citrus]

so every alt is a different alternate timeline???

[eternal talon]

no.

[crisp citrus]

then how have we been to 6

you just said "we've been to 6 of them so far"

[eternal talon]

original worldline (r1-r7)
then there are the three different gargantas between jumps in r6d4
destination
alt//

[crisp citrus]

i cant even pretend im following

what the hell is this

is there like

[eternal talon]

if you include ones we've only heard about, then we've heard of 8 different worldlines.

[solemn kraken]

No no he is right

[crisp citrus]

a document or timeline

[crisp citrus]

im not saying hes wrong

[eternal talon]

including the one the collectors want us to go to following alt//schaeffer, and the jungle world alt//durant went to

[crisp citrus]

im saying i cant follow this convuluted timeline hopping alternate rundown whatevers

[solemn kraken]

R6D4 has us going to 3 other timelines

[eternal talon]

*she

[crisp citrus]

mb

[eternal talon]

it is incredibly rediculous, i agree.

[crisp citrus]

please

to anyone out there

[eternal talon]

its why i dont bother covering it in the for dummies doc

[crisp citrus]

a timeline

just like

[eternal talon]

it's easier to just explain on a case-by-case basis

[crisp citrus]

a timeline going from start to finish

[eternal talon]

i probably will when r8 comes out as a replacement for the for dummies doc

[crisp citrus]

just starting from the first part in the story

fair

is r8 going to be next chronologically?

or is it in the middle somehow

[eternal talon]

r1 r2 r3 r4 r5 r6 r7 alt//r1 alt//r2 alt//r3 alt//r4 alt//r5 alt//r6 r8

the story is a single narrative, its just moving us between worlds as it goes along

we play as the same squad from star to finish

[crisp citrus]

so r7 is the "first" available rundown chronologically

followed by alt r1-r6

[eternal talon]

you can even find the corpses of alt// bishop and dauda if you look for them in alt//r6cx

[eternal talon]

correct

[eternal talon]

i'd recommend reading through the "for dummies doc" as it covers the basics of what happens in pre-apocalypse. in terms of the alt// worldline, the only major difference really there is that the parasite got out with nam-v, so the surface has sleepers instead of mountains of corpses. in terms of gameplay, we only know as much as we see really. there are only like two logs that take place during gameplay in the mid 2060s.

alt//rundown objectives are for the most part identical to the originals. the only difference really is the background subplot with schaeffer. in original, he was plotting to take down the warden and was eventually successful in r7. in alt//, schaeffer seems to be on friendly terms with and is working with the warden. who knows what will happen when the two schaeffers inevitably meet.

^ that is another thing. we know both schaeffers are currently in the alt// worldline, but we haven't heard anything from our own since alt//r1. we dont know if he is just going dark to hide and monitor the situation with henrikkson, or if warden finally got to him.

everything you hear from "schaeffer" in alt//r6 is not our schaeffer. do not be fooled. from his background, alt//schaeffer also seems to be more intelligent / was higher up in the management of the company before the collapse

[eternal talon]

@shut mountain Would you kindly please replace the 📌 of the previous "FOR DUMMIES" document with this one? This file has been UPDATED with information from ALT//R6.
- A reminder to those reading this document to get familiar with the lore, this file is too large to click expand, as such you must either download it, or click "View Whole File"

[lost drum]

It would be cool to create a chapter entirely dedicated to the differences from the original storyline

[eternal talon]

Basically every single alt// log is different. Some even just by a month forward/backwards in terms of when they take place

It'd be a chapter of boring changes lol

[lost drum]

No, I'm talking about the major changes. Especially the history of the alternative Schaeffer

[harsh pike]

god it pisses me off they don't react to seeing their own corpses

[lost drum]

Guys. Who can tell me the name of the person who decided that changing the lighting was a good idea? Why did they just ruin one of the most beautiful rooms? I'm pissed

[harsh pike]

wait where is the original schaeffer in alt?

[eternal talon]

R1d1. You can hear Morse code.

[burnt wren]

But is that the original or the new one

[harsh pike]

oh I did hear that, but I didn't know it was OG schaeffer

[burnt wren]

Is it schaeffer at all

It could be anyone

[eternal talon]

New one wouldn't be telling us to escape, and even so, schaeffer doesn't get out until r4/r5

[burnt wren]

But wasn't that noise already there in the original D1

[eternal talon]

No

There was no lore at all in og r1 or r2 (very end)

[harsh pike]

kind of unrelated but is there anything that actually confirms the warden somehow sent us to the alt dimension at the end of R7E1?

or is that just kinda the best theory there is right now

[eternal talon]

I was told schaeffer abruptly stops talking to us after one jump, but other than that, it's simply that we know that it happened, but not how

Because after alt//r6, it's impossible to deny we are in a different worldline.

[harsh pike]

but also when we come back from the matter wave collapse the glowsticks aren't the alt yellow

but that might just be devs not bothering

[eternal talon]

I think that's just because the LevelLayout is the same. If it threw you into an identical dimension file, 100% could be possible. Only problem is performance and anything you missed would be gone permanently

[harsh pike]

that would've been a nice touch to actually signify the change

[past matrix]

was there any chance in the one r6 schaeffer room?

[eternal talon]

I'm assuming you mean change, not chance, and yes. The removal of the log about schaeffer assembling his own perfect squad

[cold sphinx]

Same

To fit the power outage

[eternal talon]

@ruby lake can anybody swap the pin pls? Ty
#gtfo-lore message

[raw terrace]

[think its dming it, idk if pingin it does anythin]

[shut mountain]

Switched the pins for ya 😌

Just a small heads up thou that sadly mod contact does not ping mods :(

[eternal talon]

Looks like you accidentally deleted the wrong one... you deleted the audio log cipher that was pinned

#gtfo-lore message

[shut mountain]

Did i? Fuck

Lemme

Okay, fixed 😭 My apologies, I just woke up like 3 minutes ago

[eternal talon]

Hahaha, nah, your good 🙂

[plush nest]

what level has the unit and how far in is it

?

[solar nova]

CX, the very very end.

[plush nest]

i got to the power outtage solo, and was just like nope

[harsh pike]

r7a1 is named unit 23, is that thing the one we made throughout r7?

[eternal talon]

Yes

Schaeffer killed u22 in ogr6

R7 is us making a replacement before being derailed by schaeffer

[harsh pike]

well alt r6cx tells us to locate unit 23

maybe we finished the job and it got warped back with us

wait nvm

it's unit 27

[lilac island]

Poor warden

It's just trying its best and then Scheaffer just runs his shit with a metal pipe

Honestly I would be offended as a prisoner

I went through hell and back 7 times to make this thing and you killed it with a goddamn pipe

Are you serious

[cold sphinx]

@strange grove do you know how the HSUs DNA sample tissue are extracted?

[lost drum]

This is from the new patch: Fixed bug where clients did not trigger voice lines.

So there are actually more voice lines than one of D1?

[burnt wren]

Time to replay a1

[coral gorge]

I thought they meant the new ping voice lines

[cold sphinx]

Same time today?

Im down too

Need to record them

[lost drum]

Then why is it that after the task is completed, the light remains so awful?

[cold sphinx]

You dont see the power rerouted?

It gained power to secondary

But you do secondary it takes time for the protocol to take place

[lost drum]

There are two huge, working spotlights in that room. But they are set so that they don't light up the center room. I think it's just a bad gameplay design decision.

[cold sphinx]

Dont ask me

The moss grows in dark

And the place is pretty overgrown

[lost drum]

Moss is growing all over the Floodways area

In the original R6, the lighting was beautiful. It's gotten worse, in my opinion

A reminder of what it looked like earlier:

[ember badger]

Is the warden even a person? Or maybe a computer program?

[burnt wren]

Alien.

[coral gorge]

Yup

or alien made

kinda hard to tell

[burnt wren]

"Warden is of us"

Vague, but gets the message across.

[ember badger]

from what planet?

[coral gorge]

no one knows

[ember badger]

pretty much

[burnt wren]

None. Multidimensional beings.

[coral gorge]

They can come from the other end of a diffrent version of our universe as far as we are concerned

[terse knoll]

How does Warden sharpen our spears?

[solemn kraken]

canonnically our characters never take Spear.

[terse knoll]

Hmm? Why?

[solemn kraken]

Cause they never die and always first clear in canon. so obviously they have all Hammers and are not handicapped

logical conclusion

[terse knoll]

so metal limbs are non Canon?

[solemn kraken]

they never die. dunno if they lost a limb

but i would guess that yes metal limbs also not canon

[terse knoll]

the hand looks cool

[solemn kraken]

It really does.

[terse knoll]

is knife also not Canon? I guess it would be easier to wash and sharpen

[solemn kraken]

Again if they winning then most probably not, 1 might have it but certainly not all 4

[burnt wren]

Technically they are

You're just creating your custom Prisoner from alt time line, so any and all Prisoner apparel combinations are canon. The only thing that's not canon is that they can put their amputated legs and hands right back.

Although given the state of technology in 2050 - who knows. A biological AI, artificial workers, dimension jumping warp gates... Surely stapling a hand back is not much of an issue.

[coral gorge]

it is canon the warden gives us transplants of the KSOs who were scrapped

like hands and legs

[eternal talon]

I don't think necessarily us... that log seemed like it was referring to like hospitals and stuff outside of garganta... and besides, that's pre-apocalypse stuff. Who in garganta could perform surgeries?

[coral gorge]

i dunno the robots?

[eternal talon]

The robots that are all deactivated and battery dead littered across the complex? You don't use a loader bot for precision work

Even "robots" in hospitals in modern day are directly manipulated by humans. It isn't purely ai

[coral gorge]

i dunno then, maybe the lore of cosmetics is that is how our squad looked like before all went to shit

so they were given robot arms and stuff

...but that would make dauda a plot hole

[eternal talon]

How?

Did you forget he underwent hydrostasis?

[coral gorge]

yes

but why would he have robot arms

if he had no way of losing his arm

[eternal talon]

What do you mean? None of our core crew have any robotic limbs

[cold sphinx]

right

[coral gorge]

yeah i know, i mean that if apparell was actually lore

[eternal talon]

We never fail

[coral gorge]

which i doubt it is

[eternal talon]

I agree, too many exceptions to be made if it were.

[coral gorge]

agreed

[eternal talon]

The only time we really play as "ourselves", is the eval.

Everything else is us playing as the quad

[low folio]

I like to think that we die during the eval

or instantly after

also i wish we had more eval training for other stuff, like bulkheads, and generators/the like

[raw terrace]

ah well those r introduced more normally, carryin items on r2a1, gens on r2b2, first bulkhead on r4a1

they organic their introduction is fine

[crisp citrus]

Hear me out if you come back to the HSU in critical, and the Warden doesn't have a limb on hand to replace a messed up one, wouldn't you get the robo leg

Like if people can get giant smacked (I assume this breaks bones due to the damage and force) I doubt the med kit does more than give you a splint to barely function for the rest of the mission

[eternal talon]

i feel you'd just bleed out and die. hydrostasis isn't a surgery doc from fallout.

[crisp citrus]

Maybe you're put in hydrostasis, then moved to a surgery section

Fixed up, then put back in

Though honestly in lore at least the squad probably does every mission on a no hit run

[eternal talon]

as far as we know, we just go straight from one mission to the next, the warden doesn't have a free-roam "KSO hub" as it were.

that, and we never ever lose. we do every mission with all optionals first try, so you could assume it just is nothing but no-hit runs

[crisp citrus]

I'd honestly like to see someone make a mod that has the bots play the entire mission

Like recode the AI to be able to do objectives and terminals

It'd be funny to watch

[eternal talon]

bots can barely walk while tethered to a player. i seriously doubt they'd be able to freely, even with nodes

[crisp citrus]

Well bots CAN walk between players

If you have two people and tell them to follow you, they will just walk there

[eternal talon]

bots from drop down, are tethered to a player. you can change this with in-game follow commands, but they are always "in adjacent" to that player

[crisp citrus]

Making them path towards objectives while stealth killing enemies would be not too wild I'd think

[eternal talon]

if you shut a door behind you they will just get stuck and eventually noclip through

[crisp citrus]

There'd have to be like a designated bot leader

A bot all the bots follow

[eternal talon]

using sleeper pathing in a straight line, but when they hit a door/wall, its noclip time

seriously. without noclip, bots just would not function, at all

[crisp citrus]

I've seen them use stairs

I'll admit they enjoy walking through solid things

[eternal talon]

yeah, sleepers can also use stairs.

[crisp citrus]

But they do try to walk normally