gtfo-lore

[eternal talon]

artus cheesecake

schaeffer's best friend

dead with the rest when the facility got overrun

[harsh saffron]

Charapon*

nvm yours is correct ^^

[eternal talon]

lmao

if i'm gonna be wrong on edit might as well make it worth it

[plush nest]

Kk thank you, also it didn’t sound like our Schaeffer if that makes sense

[eternal talon]

in alt//r6, it isnt our schaeffer.

[plush nest]

That explains why he sounded different

[eternal talon]

have you done alt//r6cx yet?

[plush nest]

Nope been playing solo so I have only gotten to b2

[eternal talon]

we find several of our squad KIA there with the unit.

[plush nest]

Tonight is bx and c1

[eternal talon]

they are simply the alt//versions of ourself

we are in their dimension

[plush nest]

You mean I don’t get to listen to metal pipe?

[eternal talon]

nope, and the pipe is completely missing

[plush nest]

Aw I was kinda looking forward to that

So did the unit kill our squad then or something else?

[eternal talon]

we dont know, but probably not.

they are built like twigs. KSOs are built like bricks

[plush nest]

Hacket and dauda?

[eternal talon]

bishop and dauda

[plush nest]

Interesting way to die on the railing there

[eternal talon]

woods and hacket are mia

[plush nest]

Interesting the positions that they died in

Not eaten or ripped to shreds just slumped over and lots of blood

[crude jacinth]

Like if you were shot or suddenly lost motor control unexpectedly

[plush nest]

Ya

[crude jacinth]

Is that alt schaffer that kills the construct or of?

Og*

[coral gorge]

which one?

the one in og R6 is obv og schafer

the one in ALT was most likely not even killed by schafer

but by someone/something else

[cunning light]

It probably even died on its own. As the conduit said, it had served its purpose

[coral gorge]

yeah most likely

still we dont know why dauda and bishop got killed

[crude jacinth]

What if og schaffer killed it and the alt team as well? That mofo might still be out there

[coral gorge]

schafer although not exactly sane

doesnt seem like a guy that would m u r d e r other KSOs

as they are basically his only hope for defeating the warden

[crude jacinth]

Unless those kso's were the most efficient team still operating under the control of the warden and therefore a potential threat

And alt versions of the og team he still needs

[coral gorge]

wdym

[coral gorge]

but if so i feel like hackett and woods would have either killed schafer or were killed by him too

[crude jacinth]

Why have the alt guys around when you know they're as capable as the og team that works for you?

And potentially not aligned with you

[burnt wren]

There was a log where Schaeffer described mercenaries running into a Conduit with some sleepers

Could that be them?

[coral gorge]

oh yeah

there was that

[burnt wren]

He directly mentions that 2/4 mercenaries died in the fight

[cunning light]

Could definitely be the case

[burnt wren]

And Conduit too

[coral gorge]

which we have no idea why the frog did the unit decide to murder the team

but thats most likely the case

[burnt wren]

It didn't

[cunning light]

They did not "decide" to murder them

[burnt wren]

It tried to do something and it was just there

[crude jacinth]

Bishop and dauda are in universe from the least combat oriented background. Now kso training and indoctrination likely makes up for that but the background still stands. Hit and run tactics may have saved schaffer from woods and hacketr

[coral gorge]

i dont remember the exact log, but i felt like the unit intended to send the sleepers to fight

[coral gorge]

uhh maybe? but the blood marks around seem to indicate they were attacked by less human things

[cunning light]

Schaeffer is not a murderer... He might be quite deranged, but even in the OG membrane he only resorted to attack the conduit because he was afraid and felt threatened

[coral gorge]

yeah

well if an alien looking ass started talking to me about my birthday i would kill it too

[crude jacinth]

Schaeffer is not a murderer

Nah I think homeboy is fully capable of taking out those in his way

[coral gorge]

i wouldnt say so

his response to having to deal with madox was...

quite desperate

he clearly didnt want to harm madox

[crude jacinth]

Well okay, maybe it wasn't premeditated but out of self defense

[burnt wren]

Attacking Conduit was completely unprovoked though - he just hated Warden that much in that moment.

[coral gorge]

and the birthday bit surely didnt help

[burnt wren]

He didn't even address the "you have da virus"

[crude jacinth]

Maybe schaffer approached them to get them on board but the alt team wasn't having it

Maybe schaffer thought they were us

[coral gorge]

i feel like schafer wouldnt take that risk

he never showed himself to us

despite being so close in R7B1, he prefered the case to be transported via a pipe or something

i doubt he would risk potentially getting shot

[crude jacinth]

Well maybe he doesn't have the same control over systems in the alt universe. Maybe security keys/protocols are different enough to prevent him from having the same capabilities

[coral gorge]

the warden doesnt have control over vents

and schafer mostly used them

overall i think schafer wasnt the reason for bishops and daudas death

especially cause he seems to have disapeared from the view completely

[burnt wren]

Presumably they just got by sleepers.

[coral gorge]

yeah i still wanna think they got doomed by some new enemy

[plush nest]

Would there not be more signs of a fight then? It’s just limp bodies with not really any signs of a fight

[pastel ether]

Ambush?

[coral gorge]

sleeper bodies do desintegrate, and we see a bunch of bloody handprints and such around

plus yeah its possible the squad didnt expect a fight

and bishop and dauda just got mauled to death with nowhere to run

[cold sphinx]

Death by toxic

Idk just my assumption of their death position lookin kinda air related

[coral gorge]

dauda looks like he died while trying to vault/jump over the railing

[cold sphinx]

Could also be him trying to gasp for air in any direction ngl

[coral gorge]

i mean he was literally haning over the railing

it would seem quite odd

but even if it was air toxins, we should still encounter them, shouldnt we?

[pastel ether]

Unless someone/something opened an air vent or door or something to allow the toxins to go away

[coral gorge]

Also the question would be where the toxins even came from

warden doesnt have access to ventilation

schafer didnt say anything about toxic death gases of the unit he killed

so unless there is a new enemy that works like the moms fart, except its fart is super toxic… i doubt air toxins got them

plus it would be very odd on how hackett and woods didnt die

[pastel ether]

Then again, Woods and Hackett have fully enclosed masks

[cold sphinx]

They ran fast lol

[coral gorge]

hm i suppose so… but like would that be lore?

[lilac island]

based on another log by alt schaeffer he saw a unit try to interact with a squad of ksos and accidentally alerted a horde and noted that 2 of them were killed

[pastel ether]

Whilst Dauda and Bishop's masks don't fully enclose their head...

[coral gorge]

yeah

[lilac island]

that was probably our alt guys

[coral gorge]

its prolly just that

i gotta re read that log cause i had the impression the unit intentionally alerted the sleepers

[lilac island]

FFW-HYY-6FL
https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/ALT://Rundown_6.0_Logs

might have been on purpose i dont actually know

"The clone clearly didn't want to hurt the mercenaries. It was trying to communicate."

[pastel ether]

https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/ALT://Rundown_6.0_Logs#FFW-HYY-6FL direct link to the relevant log

[burnt wren]

So wait.

I just realized something.

We were wrong about mimics all this time.

My common assumption was they were meant to replace us.

But as it turns out the Conduits as they are now known were made purely with the goal of communicating with us directly.

All those mountains of corpses... Just so it could speak to us.

That's... Weirdly endearing.

[lost drum]

In R6D1 ALT Shaeffer said "I know, but the Warden is not your enemy, it wants to help. It has a plan for us" At the end he added "I'm working on a plan." This prompted me to think that Schaeffer might be the one who hacked Biocom - being Warden. Given the parallel universes, and Warden coming out of nowhere, could this be true?

[pastel ether]

We uhh did hack warden for him (back in R7)

[lost drum]

Yeah, but there was Schaeffer from the original universe. And Warden it could be a Schaeffer from another universe that was destroyed. And he's trying to save that universe

Maybe that's why Warden never gave the command "Kill Maybe that's why Warden never gave the command "Kill Schaeffer"

In R7, he was able to do what the other Schaeffer was able to do - hack Biocom once again. Sounds like an interesting theory

[finite vine]

ok lmao i didn’t know that

I swear i read a message that we didn’t know where alt bishop was

[lilac island]

theres also an audio log telling us he was the only one to make it back (with the matter wave projector in hand)

[coral gorge]

yeah we very much do know where he is

yup

DOCTOR REBECCA STONES

damn i miss her audio logs

[cunning kayak]

*Stokes

Yes, i would like to know about what happened to her too

Like, after she replaced Hammerstein as Project Insight Leader

[coral gorge]

which btw its funny that when we use jump gates the matter wave doesnt go with us

[coral gorge]

yeah

[lilac island]

doesnt really matter now she dead asf

[cunning kayak]

that's not what i want to know

more like - about the stuff he researched

*she

[cunning light]

Likely the recordings were done before the warp gate was designed

Or the specifics of it, at least

[coral gorge]

how much did they fuck up shit in R6D1 to have the zone be so messed up

[coral gorge]

yeah most likely they used the matter wave projector in a kinda random way, sorta like the data cubes in C1 or when we first pick it up in A1

[rose field]

Helloo, I wanted to ask if there's a file/video like this for the new rundowns (7 and alt)?

[solemn kraken]

It's still up to date for the alts, there is no difference with the originals. Only R7 is missing in that file, the rest is there

[pine agate]

Yeah, only R7 missing in the file

[coral gorge]

and names of alt R6 extended levels are diffrent

[pine agate]

If anything in R7 the main goal was to process neonates and grow them up. We only get to process one since Schaeffer yoinks us to do some shenanigans.

[finite vine]

in alt or og rundown ?

have not heard the alt one yet

[coral gorge]

i think its the same

[rose field]

Oh ofc makes total sense! As I read the document I recognised the objectives I did in alt

I just wonder how does it all tie up down to the warden merging the original and alt expeditions to undo shaeffers progress

I supposed to undo r7's progress? (sorry if these questions are dumb, I've been trying to understand the lore better but my brain isn't computing everything )

[eternal talon]

have you read the "for dummies" doc in the pins?

we dont know how r7e1 caused alt//. its simply not been explained yet.

[eternal talon]

we dont know yet. we have very little info and have only really even started to get info on it in alt//r6 itself

alt//r1-r5 dont ever really talk about it

[rose field]

Gonna get into it! I read the beginning of the document but didn't finish it yet 🫣

[rose field]

Got it! Thanks for the help 🫡

[low folio]

wait wait wait

so the alt// isn't just a gameplay feature, it's fucking lore?

[eternal talon]

yeah? it was said before alt//r1 even CAME OUT it was lore

check announcements/community news

[eternal talon]

i haven't seen them in... almost a year? really the GTFOLFD is the only option around other than reading archived logs

[low folio]

fucking... cool.

[coral gorge]

and confusing

it tends to be quite confusing

[low folio]

so the alt// is the current gameplay universe but isn't connected to R7 at the moment

and won't be connected to R8 when it comes out untill alt R8 comes out?

[eternal talon]

shoulda been obvious imo with logs changing seemingly minor elements, not to mention our own corpses in r6cx

[coral gorge]

I mean it WAS connected to R7

[eternal talon]

it is connected to r7.

[coral gorge]

our og team was sent from R7 to ALT

[eternal talon]

its a continuation

[low folio]

ahh

[coral gorge]

and we dont know where will R8 take place

[eternal talon]

its an alternate worldline earth

you know... like og (and alt) r6d4?

[low folio]

so alt is the timeline where the sleepers also get OUT of the complex iirc

[coral gorge]

it might be in ALT it might be back in og

[coral gorge]

yup

[low folio]

jesus that's a terrifying implication

[eternal talon]

not neccessarily "THE" but, a timeline where they did

[coral gorge]

that was a funny level… it was said its not canon right?

[eternal talon]

multiverse is infinite bitches

infinite problems

[low folio]

also have we been to the Inner yet

[eternal talon]

nope

i hope we do though before the game ends

[low folio]

see that's what i hope we get to see in R8

[eternal talon]

I WANNA SEE SOME ALLEN TECH/ARCHITECTURE

[low folio]

because that would REALLY hopefully give us some lore answers

[coral gorge]

yeah but if you wanna think of infinite world lines which we will never even see… i just prefer to consider only the 2 worldlines relevant

[coral gorge]

whats the inner?

[low folio]

basically the Allen ship

[coral gorge]

oh

[eternal talon]

that was my though proccess.. before alt, and the only two worldlines was our own and destination

[coral gorge]

i thought it was called the Fossill

[low folio]

Fossill/Inner iirc

[eternal talon]

inner, fossil, etc

[low folio]

also where the beams that fucked the complex came from

[coral gorge]

Oh right destination is a diff wordline

[low folio]

but they didn't work as intended because, you know. crashed ship.

[eternal talon]

the weapons system yee yee

[eternal talon]

85x faster

[low folio]

not weapons, quarantine.

[coral gorge]

Right so 3 relevant worldlines

[eternal talon]

no... 7?

[coral gorge]

4 if we consider the bishop helmet

the fuck do you mean 7

where did these come from

[eternal talon]

og, destination, the three earths in r6d4, alt, and where alt//durant went

[coral gorge]

R6D4 isnt cannon?

i thought it wasnt atleast

[eternal talon]

it is.. they just told us not to worry about it way back when because they didnt have additional details/lore for it yet

it would be a dead end

[low folio]

the three earths in r6d4 aren't as relevant as the other few, but they prove a point/show the capabillity of the MWP

[coral gorge]

huh then i suppose its 7

[coral gorge]

infinite pathways…

[low folio]

yep. infinite earths- theoretically, you could use the MWP to escape.

[coral gorge]

Actually we might get an 8th relevant worldline in R8 cause of what the collectors said to alt schafer

[low folio]

fuck i forgot what a collector is

[coral gorge]

wait… 8 rundowns, 8 relevant world lines

[coral gorge]

aliens

the aliens

allens

[low folio]

Ah Allens

[coral gorge]

however you call them

[eternal talon]

hahahaha

[coral gorge]

=(

[eternal talon]

lmao

[low folio]

didn't shaffer kill one lol

[coral gorge]

back in og

[eternal talon]

no, that was a unit

[coral gorge]

he did

and yeah

that was a unit

[low folio]

unit is a what

[coral gorge]

a mimic

a neonate

but matured

[low folio]

ah, from RISE?

[coral gorge]

yup

[eternal talon]

basically a half/half. human clone being controlled/puppeted? by a collector host

[low folio]

so basically an Allen host body

[coral gorge]

was unit 22 controlled by a collector? Do we know that?

Just out of curiosity

[eternal talon]

basically. this new is literally right out of the oven. we dont have much info

[eternal talon]

we dont know about u22, or u23, or the unit in ogr3

[low folio]

i assume this is FRESH out of alt r6

hence why i'm behind on it

[eternal talon]

yes

[coral gorge]

Ogr3…?

[eternal talon]

but given mutliversal warden, its probably the same goal

[coral gorge]

sorry if im being dumb as a brick wall rn

[low folio]

multiversal warden ;-;

[eternal talon]

ogr3 had us proccessing a neonate we collected in ogr2e1

[coral gorge]

Yeah

i thought it didnt become a unit tho

as in R7 we treat a neonate quite diffrently

[eternal talon]

we dont neccessarily know... but we got it from the exact same machine as we do in r7a1

(the baby i mean)

[coral gorge]

Yeah but i always thought in case of R3 the child was used as a sorta data holder thingy

[coral gorge]

and in R7 we made a full on RISE project baby

[eternal talon]

point being since it is a loose end, theoretically warden coulda sent another team to do it

[coral gorge]

i suppose so

but i still think the R3 one didnt become a unit

[low folio]

speaking of, that's always something i found strange.

if other teams have gone down and died... where are the turrets and biotrackers of that team? let alone the corpses and masks, most of the time.

[cunning light]

In R3 the Neonate was used like a DNA storing device

[coral gorge]

i guess sleepers like eating metal

[low folio]

yeah like tf

could be a cool gameplay loop mechanic, being able to scavenge other prisoners for lore logs/resources

[coral gorge]

yeah i thought it was smth like that

[low folio]

imagine having to get lore from pulling blackboxes off of dead prisoners

[coral gorge]

yes… but it would also not make sense for security doors to be locked or alarmed

[low folio]

actually that does KINDA make sense

if warden had 100% control over the facillity he wouldn't need us to go down for a lot of ranom things

[eternal talon]

in alt//r6cx, all the equipment of our alt//squad, weapons & ammo, and hackett and woods are missing

[low folio]

so this implies they took all the equipment and fucked off?

[eternal talon]

who knows. maybe a sleeper ate it

like the snatchers vore you, equipment and all

[low folio]

and Dadua and Bishop are dead dead?

[eternal talon]

no...

[low folio]

well they are in that worldline

[eternal talon]

the ones originating from the alt//worldline are.

our bishop and dauda are very much alive

[low folio]

but we're still playing as the ones from the og wordline?

wait we should be

[eternal talon]

might i also add, there is NO DIALOGUE FROM THEM WHEN THEY LITERALLY SEE THEIR OWN CORPSES WTF 10CC

[coral gorge]

yes

[low folio]

because we slapped ourselves back there with the MWP

[coral gorge]

Lmao

[low folio]

with how fucked up our bishop's head is i don't think he'd care tbh

[eternal talon]

yes

[low folio]

homie spent like what, two years in destination?

[eternal talon]

yes, but given hydrostasis, probably forgor

[coral gorge]

Frosty do you not see your dead body laying in the street when you go to a grocery shop everyday?

[pastel ether]

tbf chances are they haven't seen a mirror in years either

[eternal talon]

dont recognize the bodies

[low folio]

they probably don't even know that's THEM

[eternal talon]

also who tf goes to the shops EVERY DAY??

[low folio]

see, i'd get it if THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT EACHOTHER LOOK LIKE

[coral gorge]

i do not recognize the bodies in the water

[low folio]

BISHOP WOULD REACT TO SEEING DADUA'S BODY

[pastel ether]

the person who works in the shop 🙏

[eternal talon]

lmao fair enough

[coral gorge]

Listen… i dont buy many things just smol things i promise

[pastel ether]

he would get accused of casual racism 🙏

[coral gorge]

lol

Cant even be british no more

[low folio]

Woods? Hakett?

[pastel ether]

likewise 🙏

[low folio]

yaknow

[coral gorge]

Woods and hackett are just chads

[low folio]

i wonder who the two fuckers who broke quarantine are

[eternal talon]

also i noticed something while frecamming through levels last week... there is a base on destination we haven't visited!

[coral gorge]

they already are war criminals being racist wont do much

[coral gorge]

thats C1 right?

pretty interesting then

[low folio]

Woods is just insanely based

homie murdered his comrades because

[pastel ether]

woods is GTFO doomguy

[eternal talon]

also holy FUCK they ruined the texturework on the stone in alt//r6 compared to og.

[low folio]

i love woods

favorite prisoner fr fr

[coral gorge]

for the rock

[low folio]

what'd the old look like?

[eternal talon]

its almost as bad as what they did to the charger gunk in ALT//r1

[coral gorge]

I like hackett more, but i can see why woods can be a favorite

[eternal talon]

pic on the right is og

[eternal talon]

pic on the left is og

[coral gorge]

(or higher pic is og if you are on mobile)

[low folio]

Hackett is also a favorite

but, Woods is just a fucking monster

[coral gorge]

(you can tell by the level name - og says D1, alt says R6D1)

[eternal talon]

they turned nice looking MEATY textures into shiny rubber and gloss

[low folio]

when this game is 100% completed, the graphics mods are gonna go hard

[coral gorge]

they just dont like dwayne the rock johnson

[eternal talon]

dont get me started on rocks, look at the state of the cliffs! OF THE SAND!

[coral gorge]

lmao

[eternal talon]

why is it so damn RUBBERY

you cant even recognize the stone in that picture

[coral gorge]

A lore expert goes on a rant about graphics in a video game (GONE WRONG)

[eternal talon]

ogr2. you know the black spot bug? this is the og.

[low folio]

Wish we had a way to play the og runs

[coral gorge]

imagine playing solo and having bot commands show up in chat

[coral gorge]

i love my burst rifle scope be doubled

[coral gorge]

the word begins with an M

[eternal talon]

old foam...

[coral gorge]

i hate old foam

[low folio]

Also random thing, uh, why the fuck wouldn’t the bio tracker have distance and a compass on it

[eternal talon]

lol

[low folio]

Lore wise

[coral gorge]

i dont think i need to elaborate on that

[eternal talon]

i'm not sure actually.

[coral gorge]

the designer had a skill issue

[eternal talon]

iirc wasn't the mapper supposed to have that stuff but the tool was cut?

[low folio]

It makes zero sense for a tracking device to OMMIT information

[coral gorge]

(i mean da manufacturer)

[cunning light]

Thoughts on this one ?

[eternal talon]

someone forgot to texture the water

and the rocks lost their oppacity

[coral gorge]

w a t e r

[mental stump]

Manana

[coral gorge]

?

m u r d e r

[coral gorge]

didnt know you can actually see it anywhere

[eternal talon]

.t modding

[ruby lake]

While we do allow the use of some QoL and visual mods, GTFO doesn't officially support modding. However, we do recognize that a GTFO modding community exists and if you are interested in them, you are welcome to check out the modding communities found in #hc-modded (If you have any more questions, please read rule #12 in the rules channel for more information.)

[coral gorge]

oh no she said the M word

[eternal talon]

mustard

[mental stump]

I thought the m word was ||monkey||

[cunning light]

Absolutely no link to lore, so I might just remove them, but it would be funny to see other effects altered during "dimension jumps"

[coral gorge]

oh god so many M words

[eternal talon]

i agree. i've seen weird shit like that too

[coral gorge]

what

am i looking at

[mental stump]

||R8C4|| ||“C****s”||

[cunning light]

Well, since you have been freeflying, you know.

[eternal talon]

so, destination prefabs are above the map

[eternal talon]

i mean vanilla

this pic is vanilla ogr6

[cunning light]

Still not related to lore though :). I know these totally break immersion, but then again, watcha gonna do ?

[eternal talon]

in ogr6c1 after the final tp, extraction opens up. this is you being able to see the extraction scan on earth from above in destination's tile

[coral gorge]

in R6D1 it was similiar

if you got bugged and didnt tp back

you could see your teammates and extract scan deep down below you

[eternal talon]

you know, this reminds me. they used to post exclusive/early logs on the santonianindustries website. they havent done that in a long time

[coral gorge]

oh yeah

[eternal talon]

the "corrupted" logs folder there is still r7 stuff

[cunning light]

I do miss them as well

[coral gorge]

is that website still even functional

[cunning light]

They are indeed from a year ago

[eternal talon]

yeah, i checked it the other day

[cunning light]

I still check now and then, but...

[eternal talon]

heist game now

gtfo byby

sadge

[coral gorge]

well we must hope one day they’ll return here

[cunning light]

Still have hopes for R8 : Resolution (my own name for the Rundown)

[eternal talon]

actually, was r8 even named on the roadmap?

[coral gorge]

I dont think so

[cunning light]

I do not think so

[eternal talon]

or was it just "rundown: 8"

[coral gorge]

i think it was error

or just R8

[cunning light]

Names were quite good, to be honest ; R6 in particular

[coral gorge]

yeah

[cunning light]

With it being the 1.0 version of the game

"Destination" just rang true

[eternal talon]

i just hope they fix their broken tiles before they dip forever. this is in alt//r6b1 RIGHT NOW

it was working properly in ogr6

[coral gorge]

and it gave us a comprehensible way of calling the other dimension

and not EF-01 or some shit

[coral gorge]

lol

10 chambers moment

[eternal talon]

a lot of people used to call it red alpha, after the mars mission

for some reason

[coral gorge]

oh yeah

which was quite odd

since destination isnt very mars like

nor is it even red

[eternal talon]

that was about the time i came back to gtfo/lore after skipping ogr4 and r5

[cunning light]

Red Alpha was also WAY BACK in the lore, compared to current events

[coral gorge]

yeah

[eternal talon]

almost 30 years.

[coral gorge]

It was before kovac even started legion right?

[eternal talon]

though to be fair we also have lore logs mentioning the mayans... which is 16th century

[coral gorge]

oh yeah

[eternal talon]

Mayans VS. Sleepers was a REAL thing

[cunning light]

Still interesting tidbits from these logs, like how HSUs were developped and why

[eternal talon]

how about that for an arena based sequel?

[coral gorge]

mayans vs sleepers?

we get to see crude spears

And such?

would be a cool looking thing

thats for sure

[eternal talon]

Dr. Hernandez’s research posits that the Mayans were almost completely wiped out several times by an illness they referred to as “Flea Demons”.

[coral gorge]

still amazing its „almost”

like how the fuck did they all not get nam-ved

[eternal talon]

https://tenor.com/view/predator-jungle-hunter-jungle-hunter-cloaking-gif-17030076

vibes

completely overwhelmed in the jungles

would probably be really badass to see

[pastel ether]

tbf R6B1's flavour text refers to it as Alpha Two

[eternal talon]

held out better than modern humanity from the 2050s.

with spears, bows, and clubs no less.

[coral gorge]

alpha 2 was the name of the base

[pastel ether]

oh ok

[coral gorge]

alpha 1 was in R6D1

[eternal talon]

how did they not get infected via nam-v going airborne? who the fuck knows

[pastel ether]

Less globalization to spread it further

[eternal talon]

how did it not end the earth in the 16th century? an even bigger mystery

[coral gorge]

i guess it never left the island

[eternal talon]

yes... but mayan sleepers last forever

[eternal talon]

island?

[coral gorge]

Oh fuck im dumb

its 16th centaury we have colonies aleeady

hm

then yeah nam-v had a skill issue back then

[eternal talon]

even so, it wouldn't have to. a single mayan infected sleeper could AFK and wait.

[coral gorge]

yeah that too

so i guess mayans killed all the sleepers?

[eternal talon]

just what in the hell did they do to stop it

[coral gorge]

and then killed the infected people too?

and burned the bodies or some shit

[eternal talon]

without themselves getting infected because they dont have modern respiration equipment or ANYTHING of the sort

[coral gorge]

Yeah my only theory is they sent out literal suicide squads that would kill the sleepers then end themselves

[eternal talon]

killed all infected then condemed themselves to die? maybe the first sleepers that attacked SMC diggers were infected mayans that sacrificed themselves

[pastel ether]

I'm also guessing it might have been a somewhat isolated community afflicted by it in the first place

[eternal talon]

this thing can wait out the end of the universe. isolation really only affects nam-v, and both are here.

[coral gorge]

yeah

[pastel ether]

But basically fewer vectors to spread it further back then

[coral gorge]

destination still has nam-v despite having a much faster time speed

also

how the fuck did the parasite reach surface

[eternal talon]

7.5 billion (trillion?) years

[coral gorge]

or did they only deal with nam-v

[eternal talon]

flea demons would imply the parasite too

because flea

[coral gorge]

yeah

so i am confused on how the parasite didnt make it out into the surface in og

and how it even got to mayans in the first place

causa the mayan log is in og too right?

[eternal talon]

yes it is from og

[coral gorge]

then like how the fuck

[eternal talon]

where no sleepers ever made it out

[coral gorge]

unless

sleepers did make it out

there was simply no daylight mission sent that we would hear about it from

[eternal talon]

there was still a team sent by the World Health Orginization

just not the UN in og

[coral gorge]

cause i would assume there was soma sorta deep cave that lead to the fossil in the mayan place

[eternal talon]

or earthquakes

[coral gorge]

and the parasite and nam-v got out from it

then an eartquake would open a way to the fossill

wait

earthquakes were mentioned to have occured around that time right?

[eternal talon]

the merida earthquake is what drew SMC attention there in the 20th century

which was not by/on/near a fault line

[coral gorge]

hm then no

well i guess we have to assume it was an earthquake that opened a way to the fossil

and then another one closed the way

[lost drum]

There are these holes in literally ALL levels of ALT:R6. In the award description, there are levels "B4" and "C4". Many textures on locations are crookedly glued together and flicker. The current state of the game is pretty sad, I was hoping for shockers in D1, and we ended up with a lot of holes.

[crude jacinth]

It's no longer red alpha, it's shiny alpha

[cold sphinx]

If

The virus and the parasites

Was on crack when it comes to mutation/evolution

What would you all think the place where we operated, how long would the ppl last or would anyone have survived

[sharp dawn]

Anyone has any interpretation on why there are 2 bodies next to the Specimen on R6Cx ¿

[coral gorge]

those are ALT bishop and ALT dauda

very dead

[sharp dawn]

wut ?

what killed them ?

schaeffer ?

[coral gorge]

no idea

a log from alt schafer mentions a bunch of sleepers killing 2 KSOs and a unit

so they most likely somehow alerted a horde while talking to the unit

[sharp dawn]

Maybe the 2 other KSO schaeffer was talking about were Hacket and Woods

And these 2 got in a figth with the Specimen or somth ?

Just speculating

[coral gorge]

Yeah hackett and woods were prolly the 2 that got out, and dauda and bishop got mauled

[lilac island]

have people tried to kill namv through good old disinfection

alcohol, high temperatures, UV

i noticed in ALT 1 that that the only way to kill it is host death or hsu

[cunning kayak]

If I remember correctly, there is a log that says that the only case in which the virus stops its vital activity is the death of the host. There is also Dauda’s report, which also describes the high viability of the virus.

So yeah, i think they tried disinfection. But NAM-V (btw i wonder what this acronym stands for) is too tough.

[lilac island]

Nightmare-Fueled
Adaptive
Monster

Virus

[low folio]

well V 100% means virus

[brittle wyvern]

Nasty Ass Monster Virus 😛

[lilac island]

cool

[eternal talon]

It's also said by the CDC that it's lethal in 100% of cases

[burnt wren]

The entire world: "MY SPINE IS MELTING, HELP!"
The KSOs: Doing Manrobics dance on a scan while Woods keep reaplying cfoam to a mined door

[lilac island]

also

namv has gotten out before right

the ancient mayans or whatever and earthquakes

EBDT_01BE1.LOG

why didn't this end the world if it can spread endlessly and is unstoppable

it can infect animals too, not just humans right

also, why is the timeline in the gtfo wiki not using the times

it jumps around and it's not in chronological order

oh you can organise the material

[lilac island]

LMAO woods used a mossberg 590 to shoot up that military base?

truly a man of god

[harsh pike]

wait really?

they have real guns in this universe?

[lilac island]

yeah man its in the lore

lemme grab it

https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/Rundown_005_Logs#84HJ4.LOG

it specifies mosberg 590 in both OG and ALT

and also says that it was smuggled in because they haven't been giving these to soldiers for a long time

i assumed he used an automatic weapons and sprayed it into a marching crowd or whatever but no

he killed 18 people with a pump action shotgun with an 8 round magazine which means he had to reload his gun while doing it

like that was 100% personal

[coral gorge]

the mayans were probably somehow capable of dealing with both the virus and sleepers (since we dont have any more info on the matter we can only theorize on how they did that)

[lilac island]

yeah i call massive bullcrap on that

[coral gorge]

i mean…

[lilac island]

there is no way in hell they could do anything against it

zero chance

[coral gorge]

my theory is they had suicide squads that would go and kill the infected, burn the bodies and then end themselves

[lilac island]

it would have just killed their entire population and then lingered on the surface forever

it spreads through everything

burn the bodies as much as you like

it is in the air and the water

on the soil

[coral gorge]

mayans were just built diffrent

[low folio]

100% personal he says as of woods doesn’t say some of the most based shit for his reason

[low folio]

Homie the Mayans got WIPED

[coral gorge]

they didnt?

they lived

somehow

[lilac island]

yeah i mean that he chose the most personal way to do it apart from using a melee weapon

[low folio]

I say shotgun is more personal than a knife

[lilac island]

A pump action shotgun with a limited magazine is as intense as it gets

he could have chosen an automatic weapon probably

also i haven't reached that log yet

[low folio]

Mayans got annihilated by NAM-V though, probably left written records too.

Wonder if alt is gonna explain if humanity has a chance at like, not getting extinction scented

[lilac island]

so the question is why did namv end the world when it got out with the mayans

[low folio]

Didn’t? Small population size and lack of spread

No air travel, no technology, small isolated population. Virus killed itself out by eating all of its food.

[lilac island]

no because parasites

[coral gorge]

now heres the thing: the log states they came to almost dying out several times

these fuckers lived for a while

[lilac island]

the symbiotic relationship makes namv stay alive forever basically

[low folio]

they probably had a way to deal with the parasite or at least stem it

[lilac island]

and the logs say it travels through any means apart from vaccum

[coral gorge]

yeah

[lilac island]

but that's just impoossible

[low folio]

Or had a MUCH smaller outbreak

[lilac island]

that is also impossible

[coral gorge]

mayans had vacum containers, deal with it

[lilac island]

when this virus gets out it wrecks everything

it killed the earth in like a couple months

[low folio]

Where’s frosty

[lilac island]

yeah

[coral gorge]

keep in mind - globalization did have its hand in that

[lilac island]

well yes but still, this thing is the ultimate pathogen

[low folio]

When we need him

Frosssttyyyyy

[coral gorge]

had it not been for planes and ships, nam-v would have killed the earth a bit slower

[coral gorge]

*her

to me it seems like mayans just had some sorta strategy that barely worked

until whatever cave/fissure that led to the fossil didnt collapse due to an earthquake or smth

[low folio]

NGL, i just really REALLY wanna see the inner

[lilac island]

inner?

[low folio]

Allen ship

[coral gorge]

the ship

[lilac island]

isn't it like

reduced to atoms by the blast

[coral gorge]

kindly stop using „allen” and call them collectors

[coral gorge]

they fuckin researched it

[low folio]

oh did we get new lore?

[coral gorge]

i doubt they researched atoms

[coral gorge]

yes

alt R6

We got a scientist calling them that

[low folio]

intresting

any reason for it?

[coral gorge]

so collectors is confirmed

[coral gorge]

yes

[low folio]

collectors is the name then lol

nice.

[coral gorge]

more Alt R6 lore

[low folio]

man i wish the Alt r6 lore was updated in the dummysheet

[coral gorge]

they wanna like… collect humanity or some shit and yeet them to a „pure” worldline

who tf knows what all that means

[low folio]

probably just free of nam-v/the parasite

since iirc the collectors don't get along with the sleepers

U22 did

[coral gorge]

then schafer introduced it to glorious humanity

[low folio]

Amen

[coral gorge]

(and a lead pipe)

(especially the lead pipe)

[low folio]

man i wish we had meelee weapons that were just like

semi-scuffed

like a fucking pipe

or just, a rock.

[coral gorge]

Could be cool

[low folio]

reskin mods

bat becomes a pipe

[coral gorge]

dwayne the rock johnson in GTFO

[low folio]

sledge becomes a rock

knife becomes a peice of rebar

[coral gorge]

Knife is a goddamn stick

[lilac island]

sheaffer to the mimic

do we know why he bluidgeoned it to death

[coral gorge]

why?

im guessing you meant why

well

he was scared of it

[lilac island]

yes i have stupid syndrome and my hands type wrong stuff

[coral gorge]

also it started talking about his birthday

which wasnt a good move on its part

[lilac island]

im not sure they are aware of human nuance

[coral gorge]

since if an alien lookin ass started talking about my birthday id murder it too

[coral gorge]

units seem to have been made by the warden to out the collectors consciousnesses in them (or atleast have them control them somehow)

so id expect them to be aware of their surroundings

like in ALT R6

[lilac island]

wait what

[coral gorge]

alt R6 loreeeeee

[lilac island]

are those things made using the consciousness of collectors?

[coral gorge]

No no no no

units are from project RISE

neonates turned into human clones

[lilac island]

what are neonates

[coral gorge]

except the clones had the mentality of children

[lilac island]

are neonates just designer babies

[coral gorge]

great qustion - ask frosty

[eternal talon]

wut

[low folio]

lore stuff!

we're talking about the collectors and the Units rn

[eternal talon]

its not been yet. i have most of the major changes done, waiting for a couple weeks in case we find anything new.

[eternal talon]

lmao

[lilac island]

frosty

we need help

[coral gorge]

oh btw frosty we were never told how did the mayans survive nam-v and da sleepers right?

[eternal talon]

as cubix said, neonates were originally a key part of the rise poject. basically, kovac wanted to make rapidly developing clones to use to staff legion instead of KSOS.

[coral gorge]

also the fuck is a neaonate…. Thats an actual question, i dont remember if it was ever explained

[eternal talon]

given the means and time required to convert a person into a KSO, it could have been more efficient both money and time wise for them

[low folio]

well we do at least know the warden is implied to be a collector intelligence

[eternal talon]

but ultimately it was a failure

[eternal talon]

with what

[coral gorge]

cause children mentality of units

[eternal talon]

no. we only heard about it in one news clipping log.

[eternal talon]

babies. literal: neonate=neonatal unit

neonatal == baby

[low folio]

ye

i'm more concerned that it seems that the collectors are just... trying to find a worldline without the virus?

[eternal talon]

yes.

well, we KNOW it is collector in origin. we just dont know if its a collector itself or just an AI

[low folio]

are they specifically looking for a worldline that doesn't have enough NAM-V to be the dominant lifeform? it's implied that in every membrace (what i assume they call a worldline), Nam-V is the dominant lifeform. what they call "impure"

[lilac island]

namv got out and caused trouble with the ancient mayans, right?

If this is correct, why didn't namv kill everything right then and there?

NAM-V is this immortal, ultra transmissive, 100% lethal virus. Why didn't it end the world

[eternal talon]

given they are capalbe to possess unit hosts and biocom is partly biological

[eternal talon]

it seems so.

[lilac island]

the parasite ensures that namv can't burn itself out by killing too fast

and it also doesn't expire

[eternal talon]

we dont know. they say they want to move schaeffer to a worldline without the infection

[low folio]

not even ust shcaeffer, but the remaining 4% of humans that are "pure"

[eternal talon]

we dont know.

[low folio]

we know that anybody who takes a nap in a hydrostasis is temporarily cured

[lilac island]

plot hole?

seems like a plot hole to me

[eternal talon]

correct

[eternal talon]

among many others

[lilac island]

also wtf is the infection again

like the fog

[coral gorge]

prolly just fog blocking our masks

[low folio]

probably aersolized NAM-V

[eternal talon]

concentrated clouds of nam-v riding in airborne water particulats. literally just nam-v riding super-humid fog

[coral gorge]

cool

[lilac island]

ah ok

[low folio]

yeah hence why our masks aren't strong enough

[lilac island]

so the disinfection is canonically a cure

[low folio]

no, HSU's are

[lilac island]

disinfection removes infection

[low folio]

as the host is biologically, dead.

[hot hawk]

is NAM-V capable of surviving HSU? there was a log that seemed to imply that it can in some cases

[lilac island]

Get infected by nam-v, chug gatorade, cured

[lilac island]

yes

it goes to sleep and wakes up with you

if the infection is nam-v then seriously though what are disinfection packs

[eternal talon]

its either that, or just some kind of airborne danger, like asbesdos

[lilac island]

why call it infection if it's asbestos

[eternal talon]

not saying it is asbesdos.

just saying it could be nam-v on humid air, or it could just be some kind of airborne dust hazard. we dont know

its probably nam-v

[lilac island]

can the parasite by airborne?

[burnt wren]

Not enough data

We got some weird logs about it there and there

We know that it can get thourhg hazard suits

very tought ones

[eternal talon]

it can transmit though everything and anything

only thing it cant is the vaccum of space because there IS nothing

[lilac island]

namv or parasite though

namv is a virus and can go wherever

[eternal talon]

nam-v, the rivus

[lilac island]

yea so the parasite cant go airborne

[eternal talon]

the parasites arent flying squirels

[lilac island]

ok so out the window goes that theory

which was
maybe it just clogs up the filters so the air we breathe is compromised and that causes all the HP drain n stuff.

So its not our lungs that get infected, it's the mask filter and packs unclog them

probably incorrect since i doubt a virus by itself could clog up a mask filter

[low folio]

also, no, i think HSU's DO kill the virus

[eternal talon]

it also could simply be skin contact.

[low folio]

it doesn't go to sleep with you

you can just, get reinfected.

[eternal talon]

since none of our suits are airtight

[eternal talon]

yes

[lilac island]

they do?

[low folio]

they do, yeah

[lilac island]

or do you mean that the sleep is "death"

[eternal talon]

nothing can cure the virus

[lilac island]

and it'll undie once you wake

[eternal talon]

hydrostasis kills everything

[low folio]

TECHNICALLY it's not a cure

[eternal talon]

you and the virus

[lilac island]

and then it revives you and the virus

[eternal talon]

it doesnt prevent you from being re-infected

[eternal talon]

no, just you

[low folio]

only revives the subject of the HSU

[lilac island]

well that's awfully convenient

what about gut bacteria

[low folio]

probably doesn't get revived

[lilac island]

do we get explosive diahhrea after HSU because all of our gut microbiomes are gone

[eternal talon]

oops we didn't consider that =10cc -probably

[low folio]

it could also be that by killing NAM-V, it CAN'T REVIVE it

as most viruses or microbial parasites tend to lyse upon death

so, death = self-destruct

[lilac island]

yeah but hsu death isn't actually death

[burnt wren]

Actually i believe they did

[lilac island]

it's just a fucky wucky coma pause button

[low folio]

no it's 100% actually death

shit fucking kills you

[lilac island]

no it isn't

[burnt wren]

There's a log in R6 that basically says exactly that

[lilac island]

after death lots of things change in your body

the HSU kills your pulse and all your brain activity but nothing changes in your body

It's a pause button

it technically kills you but it's basically just a premium coma

[burnt wren]

except for brain cells deteriorating - hence the memory issues

[lilac island]

ye

[low folio]

ah, but to a bacteria, you're dead.

to a virus, to otherwise, you'd be, biologically, dead.

[lilac island]

maybe not

your cells do not decay so you're just a fridge full of food for any bacteria

[low folio]

well no, i mean literally, because what most bacteria use to identify a living target are active cells or heat

[hot hawk]

https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/ALT://Rundown_6.0_Logs#CVB-SK5-F71
DTR-298-4VL
i could be stupid but this log seems to imply that NAM-V can survive HSU, if its not then whats the reasoning?

[lilac island]

i also remember that namv survives hsu for some reason

[pastel ether]

*https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/ALT://Rundown_6.0_Logs#DTR-298-4VL

[hot hawk]

mb

[lilac island]

yeah i was gonna say that's some ping stuff

"nothing survives HS unless we want it to"

said angela, confidently

[pastel ether]

*Sebastian

[lilac island]

right

[pastel ether]

(angela's the one replying going 'nuh uh')

there is to be no angela libel in #gtfo-lore 😤

[lilac island]

so do we trust sebastian or angela on this

also

[pastel ether]

angela

[low folio]

generally the female scientists are the ones who've been right so far

Stokes, Angela

[lilac island]

i think this just gets fucked anyway becaus namv is inside the body

it's part of the human now

not by itself

so it's treated as part of the whole similar to all the other bacteria in our body and doesn't get killed

[eternal talon]

no, the question should be: Does hydrostasis cure cancer?

[lilac island]

no

[eternal talon]

because nam-v mutates its hosts

(head-crack)

[lilac island]

cancer is part of the sleeping host

[eternal talon]

and the parasite mutates it further

[lilac island]

hsu wont stop it imo

if HSUs had this utility KDS would have acted on it to make money

i mean, a cancer curing machine seems pretty amazing if the downside is some memory loss

[pastel ether]

I think they might have been using the KSOs as expendable guinea pigs

[lilac island]

they used astronauts as guinea pigs

they could definitely have done some trials

[pastel ether]

tbf they did jump the shark a bit on the astronauts

[lilac island]

it did happen

[pastel ether]

actually wait no turns out they started human trials prior to 2041

really long time ago

https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/ALT://Rundown_5.0_Logs#WT3-4GR-BS2 ok looks like they were still planning on marketing it towards the medical world as well (for "emergency and combat trauma, with [log ends]")

[lilac island]

ernough lore for me

i want the creative director of this game to explain all the lore after alt r8 drops in a 3 hour long video

[low folio]

could we possibly campaign for that

[lilac island]

because this requires more brain activation than i have access to

[pastel ether]

gaslight popular internet media overanalysis man into producing an overanalysis of GTFO :^)

[low folio]

Frosty should get some sort of Easter egg in game for the sheer lore shit she does

Or at least a mod

[eternal talon]

i already made a mod. its in #hc-modded

[eternal talon]

as hammerstein found, they had collected various species from different worldlines. he found these specimens in stasis in the inner

[abstract shuttle]

Occam's razor, the HSU is simplest explanation for why they haven't progressed to a later stage of infection.

[crisp citrus]

they havent progressed because you only become a sleeper if you fall asleep

but the player characters are either awake or in stasis

they do not sleep

[coral gorge]

is that so?

we had a log where an infected employee started attacking a doctor

[crisp citrus]

cause he fell asleep at work

(i am making this up please dont take me seriously)

[coral gorge]

lmao

[crisp citrus]

for real though i dont think its ever explained

if it actually was a "you have to fall asleep" to become a sleeper it'd make some sense honesly

[coral gorge]

Its not, the log i mentioned disproves it

[crisp citrus]

maybe he got woke up half way

[coral gorge]

since a person started turning in the middle of a conversation

[crisp citrus]

hard to say ig if he got violent and mutated or just agressive but still human like

[eternal talon]

She went from panic and terror to calm in an instant

Was weird. It's an audio log

[coral gorge]

yay average therapy session

[harsh pike]

she was instantly rehabilitated

[eternal talon]

It's gonna be funny every time

[coral gorge]

it will be

my vendetta against „allen” will never die

[eternal talon]

Lmao

It was intended to be temporary. Not my fault "temporary" turned out to be over a year before they gave us an official name

[coral gorge]

=(

[lilac island]

that doesn't mean anything

the HSU can prevent the infection from turning us into sleepers if it kills the virus and if it turns off the virus

both are the same

[abstract shuttle]

I have more reason to believe it kills, rather then it making the virus dormant. It makes the most sense with the current info on hand.

[coral gorge]

I feel like nam-v wouldnt just get killed by some simple hibernation

for an ultra virus it would seem a bit too easy

[abstract shuttle]

It's not a simple hibernation, it's hydrostasis lol

We aren't bears going away for the winter.

[coral gorge]

yeah i know

but still

are you telling me that is enough to kill nam-v?

just seems anticlimactic

[abstract shuttle]

The HSU is probably super specialized to ensure no virus or bacteria can colonize us while we are in stasis

Since you are essentially dead, I'd imagine your white blood cells wouldn't be able to fight back

[coral gorge]

and yet... nam-v isnt exactly killable via the use of the traditional methods of disinfection and such

[abstract shuttle]

HSU isn't a typical method of disinfection

[coral gorge]

i also wonder how does the parasite act in HSU

[abstract shuttle]

I think there is a log about the parasite in hsu, but I can't remember it

[coral gorge]

so how do they kill it then? is the fluid anti-virus/bacteria?

[abstract shuttle]

One of daudas research logs

[coral gorge]

its basically impossible to determine what happens

[coral gorge]

all i remember is dauda saying the sleepers will not enter the HSUs

but i dont remember all logs

especially og

[abstract shuttle]

It's some kinda sci fi shit that wouldn't work in the real world, but I'm very confident that it's the HSU since the HSU is the only constant between missions.

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well the thing is we go back to the beginning - we dont know if the virus survives hydrostasis and just remains dormant for a time

or actually dies

since whatever option it is, the effect would be the same

we dont die

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The outcomes would be different

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which outcomes?

like the in mission ones

or possible future ones

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The outcomes of the protagonists

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wdym

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If we're infected and there is no way to rid ourselves of the virus, then we're hardcore fucked

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well

we are fucked

earth is beyond saving in ALT

in og it might still go on without humanity

destination is a world where nam-v fucked the entire ecosystem

or the parasite i mean

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I'm guessing the aliens are gonna whisk us away based on the Schaffer/conduit log. If I'm not mistaken, they say they won't take infected life forms

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well that is if they arent lying

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If we're truly infected, the aliens aren't gonna save us

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plus maybe the warden has a cure?

or

the 3rd possibility

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Why would the aliens lie?

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the characters dont have nam-v

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they are aliens, who knows

they are making a giant ass zoo

from what they said

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That's a very narrow mindset

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if aliens show up on earth i can guarantee the response will be: what if they arent friendly

and chances are some gov will nuke them

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Sure

But this isn't current earth

This is ravaged by NAM v earth

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yeah i know

and what i mean is - we dont know why are the aliens even making that zoo thing

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It's probably preferable to being eaten alive by sleepers

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and why did they tell schafer about it

had he reacted the same as og schafer and killed them

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Probably cause Schaffer fucked up their plans in the last timeline

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he could go on to sabotage their whole thing

i guess they wanted to take the risk?

to hopefully persuade schafer to joining them?

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Or they reset the timeline and make it so he never becomes a credible threat

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also the thing i am still wondering is if the warden and the aliens remember what happened in og

cause like if they did

why not just kill schafer instantly

and have no risk at all?

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They must have some sort of use for him

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maybe they wanna use him as a way to lead the other KSOs?

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Like a figurehead?

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as otherwise they might have refused or shot them all?

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yeah messiah kinda deal

or however its called in english

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I could see that happening

Cause if Schaffer is happy, then henrikson never gets woken up

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i also wonder if its possible the whole timeline reset ordeal happened multiple times

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i actually expect one of the schafers to wake up both madox and henrikson

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Probably, since we have 3 bishops in this timeline

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i mean the 3rd bishop (if you mean his mask) could just be a way to show that there are infintie amounts of worldlines we will never even be able to interact with

but that also means there might have been an infinite amount of wordlines that were reset by the warden

cause schafer did his thing

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Yeah

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ehhh

in og it's kinda... pretty fucked

[coral gorge]

not really

we have no sleepers

which means the virus will die out

even if it will take a billion years

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fair, no sleepers/no parasite

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the earth can restart the ecosystem

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but in alt// those shits got up top

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but yeah in alt

earth is just destination

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since the parasite is up there too, the only plants are basically the ones in the facillity

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and id assume they wont live forever

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yeah

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Or any animals nam-v would have killed along the way. A green wasteland

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still, biologically, alive though.

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Yes

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but, knowing too much about environmental science

haha, my major is finally useful

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Hell, in og, small pockets of humanity survived.

Og earth would go middle ages pt2

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and eventually the ecosystem would restart wouldnt it? Evolution and all that jazz

[eternal talon]

After a loooooong time bounce back

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sheer isolation is an amazing thing

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it would be funny middle ages cause we would know what technology we have/could make

[eternal talon]

(And then archeologists crack open garganta... oops)

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the only solution is to just nuke the fck out of garganta

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unless some smart person would burrow garganta and make sure no idiot opens it

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see, Dreyfus tried that, with the inner, and with the lower levels, and then with garganta, and then with the surrounding area, and it didn't work

both times

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i do wonder if there is a worldline where someone was able to detonate all the nuclear reactors in garganta before nam-v reached the surface

[eternal talon]

Making "zoo"s doesn't work. Ask the forerunners from halo how that went with the flood

[low folio]

yes but aren't the collectors

SPECIFICALLY

not including the parasite

[eternal talon]

Sounds like the plot of Projekt Thermonuclear lol

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Considering how the games went, the forerunners plan went pretty well

[eternal talon]

A zoo of corpses isn't really a zoo imo

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lmao

pt is confirmed to be in universe?!

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Haha, no

It's just fannon

But given infinite worldlines... maybe. Though in PT sleepers did also get to the surface, so no dice